psyker-class

[pliant coral]

you sure this is how it works? im doing same damage with 0 bars and 2 bars

on my heavies at least

[clear heath]

use the special and do a light

[summer prairie]

you probably wasted the charge or the target is too far away

[broken carbon]

oh no, just the special

[summer prairie]

heavies take extra time for no benefit except for your swing damage

[pliant coral]

ohhhh

[broken carbon]

sorry i should’ve clarified, just the special

[pliant coral]

and to use the special, i gotta hit M5 then just swing?

[plucky flax]

I like that havoc make flak maniac breakpoint irrelevant so you just run whatever and vibe

[broken carbon]

yarp

[broken carbon]

light and heavy special do the same damage

[pliant coral]

huh ok, i gotta see what 2 bars is like then XD

[broken carbon]

and the same radius

[pliant coral]

thanks!

[clear heath]

i just miss killing hordes

sitting around a bubble waiting for 5 guys to walk into it feels like ass

[broken carbon]

so just use the light attack for ur special

[broken carbon]

it’s really strong

[clear heath]

pox gas my behated

[pliant coral]

it seems amazing for hordes, not so much for anything above basic enemies

[zinc phoenix]

I like how we have to actually up our game in melee tho

That feels nice

I wish the difficulty solution wasn’t “spam pox gas” because that really is dead dull

[late yew]

What is toughness grace period?

[zinc phoenix]

Something we all miss 😂

Means you don’t immediately get melted when you get shot iirc

[broken carbon]

itll stagger most enemies, and goes through walls and bulwark shields

infinite cleave, but it does have damage drop off over distance

[plucky flax]

No toughness grace = you get shot you die just like irl

[late yew]

Sounds good to me

[clear heath]

when you're toughness breaks from shooters and it gives you a bit of DR so you don't immediately die

[zinc phoenix]

Your game is now about hiding from guns

[clear heath]

dw about it, it's gone now

now you just die

[late yew]

Just don't be shot

[plucky flax]

Me and syllo playing havoc 28 soon if anyone wanna join?

[zinc phoenix]

200 shooters be like 👍

[spice flame]

and it's not even elite gunners

[zinc phoenix]

I will be around in 10ish min

[spice flame]

like regular shaff shooters are shredding too

[zinc phoenix]

Depends on how long wife takes for baby handoff

[primal aurora]

To be honest new force sword doesn't feel like twohanded. You still block with your hand for some reason.

[zinc phoenix]

I’m gonna swap my plas to kant12 on my toughness monkey vet and see how that goes

[spice flame]

cause it's a force sword

[plucky flax]

Apparently we can only queue EU server.

Just so you know.

[zinc phoenix]

I can swap to that havoc is pretty ping tolerant bc less stuff and more gas 😂

[late yew]

me

[late yew]

me

[summer prairie]

not sure about less stuff

[zinc phoenix]

If you guys fill just go

[plucky flax]

We taking break for now anyway.

But aye join when here.

This one is going to be easier than the last probably.

[summer prairie]

if we could actually choose one out of the 4 maps the team has or should have, wouldn't be too bad

[zinc phoenix]

I wish we could play this like xcom, it’d be an awesome party builder 😂

[cosmic sigil]

You playing tonight?

[late yew]

What do you mean by that?

[plucky flax]

No I am watching football.

Okie doesn't want to share the clip for whatever reason.

[hazy moss]

does fgs slash go through walls?

feels like it does kinda

[clear heath]

Haven't seen a wall block it yet

[summer prairie]

it does

[clear heath]

I think the only restriction is distance

[summer prairie]

it's exactly like shriek except damage falloff

well

[hazy moss]

yea i was doing hunting grounds and i killed a bunch of dogs through a wall

[zinc phoenix]

I am now around

[hazy moss]

i was like hmm

[unborn flicker]

I want to be able to manually charge the sword, like feed it warp charge over time, it can be slow af for balancing but i think that would increase viability of the weapon

[plucky flax]

FS code?

[harsh gust]

can yall change the new sword marks?

mine wont change

[pine relic]

[feral juniper]

Why must zealots always split from the team

It’s like a primal urge to just run ahead of the group and die

[plucky flax]

@late yew master dwarf you still coming?

[pine relic]

Play Havoc, they will never leave you again.

[quartz barn]

If you have weapon custom the menu is borked

Theres an older update that fixes this

[patent mango]

the heck is that insignia

[quartz barn]

Theres also another mod found in the weapon custom channel pins that properly lists the different marks

[pine relic]

Havoc 35

[unreal wasp]

Havoc 35

[scarlet mulch]

Heyo, quick question:]
Does the "5% ability cooldown reduction for you and allies in proximity" perk means that whenever an elite is killed by anyone, the whole team gets the 5% or that when you (the psyker) kill one, the whole team gets the cd reduction?

[patent mango]

ohh

[grim pike]

is there a decent shield bubble build? feel like it might be nice for havoc

[patent mango]

now i want it bruhh....

[quartz barn]

Yes

[scarlet mulch]

So only my own kills count? Unlike the 4% chance when anybody kills an enemy to get a warp stack

[quartz barn]

Having multiple people run the exact same talent doesnt do anything btw

[plucky flax]

Anyone wanna join havoc 28?

[patent mango]

ok

[pine relic]

I think I might be able to get 40 today.

[quartz barn]

Nope everyones kills count

[zinc phoenix]

damn son

thatd be impressive

[plucky flax]

The grind is real.

[quartz barn]

So exactly the same as the warp stack yalent

[twilit veldt]

so a question, on psyker im mainly either running the flamethrower staff, the surge staff or recon lasgun on range. I tried both void strike and void blast staves but idk how people tend to build them or something cuz they felt awful to play.

The void strike was ok damage wise but the charge even with the perk takes for fucking ever to charge up and for pretty much similar damage i could just use surge staff instead. As for voidblast, im completely clueless, ive not liked conflagration staff in vermintide and the voidblast seems basically that. So what are some helpful tips to make void strike and blast staves better?

[scarlet mulch]

Oh that's neat, thank you, wise nut

[ancient plover]

how does this work?

I completed 17 and still level 16

[plucky flax]

It's a nice insignia I'll run it when I get to 35.

[quartz barn]

Updates next week

[unreal wasp]

Your assignment rank only changes after the weekly reset, you clearence level is still 17

[ancient plover]

how do I get to 30+ then?

[clear heath]

when you kill, whole team gets the reduction

[quartz barn]

It only updates for the host

[plucky flax]

Code?

[clear heath]

other people killing doesn't count

[ancient plover]

wtf @quartz barn thats dumb

hope they fix it

[patent mango]

8725919421

[ancient plover]

that makes no sense

[quartz barn]

Ye idk

Got clarified by strawhat in gen chat yesterday

[ancient plover]

is it intended? that it works like that

[pine relic]

I was lucky, I found a good team and we progressed fast, about 24 minutes for one game.

[quartz barn]

Time to join on others i guess

[clear heath]

Yes and it's dumb

that's how they described it in all the posts leading up to the update

[pine relic]

And we only failed in the first two games.

[ancient plover]

whats max 40?

[pine relic]

After that everyone figured out the right build and we just kept ranking up.

Yeah

[ancient plover]

how big is the difference between 20 and 30?

Since after 30 the rank 2 effect starts right?

Emperors Fading Light

Tensions doesn't affect spawn allowance

[pine relic]

It depends on the map

Some maps spawn way more enemies, the best strategy is to use the relic and keep moving.

[ancient plover]

Not sure what psyker builds feels correct atm I am running smite with shield

since even with scryers voidstrike takes way too long to kill some stuff

[pine relic]

Because the enemies won't follow you to the next area, and start at 30, they become very hard to kill.

[ancient plover]

and since it isnt nurgles blessing you can still cc

[pine relic]

Everybody is a bullet sponge and shoots like Rambo.

[late yew]

I was finishign mission

did not know when you come back

[cosmic sigil]

Stop being a normal person!!!!

[haughty star]

They both need very specific blessings and builds to be good

[radiant frigate]

you know what i really appreciate about force bigsword?

it just works

blessings don't make or break it

[haughty star]

Voidstrike needs nexus and surge on a build like this

Or scriers but that's another story entirely

[haughty star]

Same. I been running momentum and wrath on mine. Just Bing chilling

[harsh gust]

Naw i dont have it

Orher weapons work

Just the forcesword doesn't

[haughty star]

And something like this for void blast with the blazing blessing and warp nexus

[haughty star]

#psyker-class message

Strike

[hasty valve]

Anyone know what it means when the group title in havoc is only like: Havoc (+2)? What does the +2 mean?

[pallid summit]

I love Trauma Staff

That is all

[twilit veldt]

thanks

[hazy moss]

does toughness damage reduction % give good returns on psyker?

[twilit veldt]

im currently trying out the crit ability instead of the vent

with blast

[prime elk]

not worth imo

but it can be fun

[thorn cedar]

for everyone

[hazy moss]

its only 5% tho

[thorn cedar]

you have 5 5%s in the tree

And One With The Warp is 10-33% as well

[hazy moss]

im just not running one with the warp and not many of the 5%s ill show u

[thorn cedar]

yea just one would be meh but you're meant to stack them up

even 15% is sizeable

[hazy moss]

would it be better to swap the circled node to a +5% tougness dmr

[steel flame]

It gives alot of value for some builds. It increasing how effective each point of toughness is and with how fast psyker regens toughness, you can almost nullify chip damage

[hazy moss]

it currently gives +15 tougness

the circled node *

[steel flame]

But it's not gonna save you from an overhead in most cases

[twilit veldt]

hold on im ingame

[steel flame]

Id go for something else, what is this build for?

[hazy moss]

voidstrike and fgs

its my new favorite build

but i used to run it with illsi

[steel flame]

Take scriers speed instead

[hazy moss]

ooooh

good idea

ok ill try that

[steel flame]

It's extremely valuable with the fgs

Between scriers and destiny you can zoom in and out at will

What blessings on the fgs?

[hazy moss]

im running wrath riposte

[steel flame]

Seems solid to me

[thorn cedar]

if you have 150 toughness, 25% TDR effectively turns that into 200 toughness

to give a quick example

[steel flame]

I've got a psyker toughness tank build I'm cooking, and so far it's working great

[thorn cedar]

Toughness / (1 - TDR)

[hazy moss]

my psyker only has 99 toughness rn :(

[oak grail]

what are best stat distribution and blessings for new sword?

[lone ravine]

Is the new sword good for horde clear?

[dense flume]

Am I bad at using the other 2 blitz's, or is assail generally much better than the others at low levels? Excepting bosses where brain burst obviously wins

[thorn cedar]

ye youll get more with curios in the future

[celest valve]

it exists in the game so maniac flak lol

[steel flame]

Dump warp resist, cara/unyielding, wrath + what you want

[vestal flower]

I got no clue what I am supposed to do with Psyker... Brainburst feels super weak, especially compared to how it is in Vermintide... the weapons kinda meh

[twilit veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805326099789643788/1313901114856439808/image.png?ex=6751d144&is=67507fc4&hm=53bee40a65622faabd51c83d987ac05db17cf635359e580cac44e865bc053f6f&

[vestal flower]

staffs kinda meh

idk what psyker is for

[steel flame]

6 is amazing with hordes of you us l1, l2, block cancel repeat. Only if you take wrath

[twilit veldt]

bruh me when no embed

[dense flume]

Are you low level? I just started trying Assail and it was a game changer

[twilit veldt]

thank you

this is what im currently fucking around with

[vestal flower]

I am 22

I mean I played assail for the longest time on it, but ehhh it feels kinda weak too... or well I guess with assail you are just supposed to spam it for trash mob clearing and then big guys you got sword for

so you just gotta go for the single target weapons

melee weapons

[twilit veldt]

the scrier would not only get me to 100% perils for crit from nexus on voidblast but also gives additional crit and lets me cast for 10 seconds after reaching 100% anyway.

then it just burns things with soulburn

i need to increase the level on voidblast to actually try it fully out

[vestal flower]

I tried to do like a scrier melee crit build... but it just seems like doodoo

[stark crown]

Assail you usually pair it with the talent that gives you toughness on warp kills so you have a ranged option for toughness generation

Also Scriers is insane it’s just I like to call it Extreme gambling

[twilit veldt]

i made a scrier recon las gun one that works so im happy with it but full on melee is meh

[stark crown]

Melee psyker is incredibly possible

[twilit veldt]

all i take from the melee skills is the increased melee attack speed cuz its so nice on the twohanded greatsword

[stark crown]

You kinda need to pair Mettle + Disrupt Destiny + Warp Speed to make it really fucking scary

[twilit veldt]

i used disrupt destiny a bit, seems nice but funnily enough i always pop back to smite+empowered psionics

its just so comfy

[analog agate]

Correct. Buff Voidblast please

[twilit veldt]

you clear a horde, stunlock armored dudes and apply 10% more damage sticker on whatever survives

i found it really funny with scrier gaze

[broken carbon]

scriers gaze

smite

[steel flame]

This is the tank build I've been messing around with and unless I get hit with a barrel or overhead I never take damage in auric maelstrom. It's been so much fun

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da537bb-b5dd-4d60-ac1d-33dd41cf45ab/melee-toughness-tank

[celest valve]

Warp resist, not mobility? I'm guessing to get peril faster?

[steel flame]

It's a committed melee build so I have a shredder built for toughness Regen and triggering empathic when needed

[celest valve]

it admittedly scales better than one handed swords

[steel flame]

It's got both, scriers and destiny and mettle make you fast as fuck

[feral verge]

toughness regen speed perk on curio is nigh useless

[steel flame]

Nah it's amazing, it also drastically cuts Regen timer

[celest valve]

er, defenses, sorry, not mobility

[steel flame]

In coherency

[celest valve]

scales sprint cost but not vbery much

ok admittedly the push cost is kinda nice because of the push attack

[steel flame]

Warp resist is a dump stat as the special lets you generate lots of peril

[molten prawn]

Do people like the CD on elite kill node that much for scriers

[steel flame]

Which increases your tdr

[feral verge]

https://youtu.be/HjTWUrJdr_U?si=OK0zmCaELsOgi0k9

@steel flame

[celest valve]

that is what I guessed, fair nuff

[steel flame]

You really don't want to dump mobility anyways, it's sluggish enough as is

[celest valve]

do note the sluggishness isnt' actually changed by it at all except for a small dodge distance :p

it's longer sprints

[steel flame]

Eh, less warp resist is still better

I'm hunting for a sub 20% warp resist atm

[celest valve]

i'm taking heavy attacks electrocute enemies and no one can stop me

[steel flame]

It's only worth taking if you also take the 10% extra damage node too

[celest valve]

ye am aware

[acoustic isle]

Warp resistance really doesnt do much on this guy anyways by virtue of it really not building perils outside the special

[steel flame]

Exactly

[acoustic isle]

Which you are encouraged not to use till fully charged anyways

[celest valve]

that's bad tho :v

look, if there was a node that locks your minimum peril at 86%

i would take it, straight up

[lucid creek]

Quick question for you guys as I started playing on PS last week, what do you recommend for ranged weapons? I'm currently using the Flame staff

[celest valve]

depends

[hazy moss]

lightning staff xD

[celest valve]

like what do you want the ranged weapon to do

[acoustic isle]

As null said. Depends. I personally am biased to always usin voidstrike

[lucid creek]

Yeah I was kinda thinking it'd be lightning or Blast tbh

[acoustic isle]

It's versatile

[steel flame]

The more peril you have the more damage you deal, and scriers also gives you a big damage boost for 10 seconds after hitting 100 depending on how long you were in it

[prime elk]

unironically peak psyker

[acoustic isle]

And can clear mobs as well as nail ranged elites/ specials

[celest valve]

if you want a mobility stat stick to run faster with greatsword that you can quickly swap to, heavy pistol or revolver, maybe auto pistol for anti-flak.

[prime elk]

virgin staffker vs chad bonker

[acoustic isle]

Why not both?

[celest valve]

also hmmm. do you still want disrupt destiny on melee psyker with the new sword

[molten prawn]

I've been using Las pistol quite a bit with the greatsword ghost is a great blessing

[steel flame]

Fgs IS anti flak and anti everything else too

[prime elk]

bonker goes better with a gun

[celest valve]

especially after clarifying target selection

[acoustic isle]

Seems disrupt destiny or warp siphon are your solid picks

[prime elk]

and staves are boring now these days

[lucid creek]

I personally use my void sword half the time cause the flame staff is kinda ass ngl

[celest valve]

warp siphon seems like something if you use shield, not scrier's gaze

also autopistol 'stacks' this fast lol

[prime elk]

it's actually stupidly strong

[celest valve]

so does revolver I guess tho

[ripe obsidian]

?? Purg staff is very strong.

[steel flame]

And if you really want anti flak just take laspistol instead

[prime elk]

this isn't really a good source of peril generation

[steel flame]

Only good on double shotty

Peril gen wise

[molten prawn]

With the reload speed on double tap

Assail does decent peril gen

[hasty valve]

Anyone know what it means when the group title in havoc is only like: Havoc (+2)? What does the +2 mean?

[acoustic isle]

If you want to reliably keep perils up id say just use assail

[indigo creek]

Do you guys use warp slice

[steel flame]

Yeah but on high peril builds it's basically useless which is almost every good build

[indigo creek]

the thing can't one shot gunners without it

[celest valve]

hmm

i wonder if they fixed the disrupt destiny visual bug

[primal aurora]

You mean blessing?

[indigo creek]

yes

[broken carbon]

nope

[ripe obsidian]

Lowest I have is 41%

[molten prawn]

I hate that bug so much

[celest valve]

rip

i don't think it actually matters too much because especially with the changes you should be capped 24/7

but

[steel flame]

Warpslice will great when it can trigger blazing spirit

[molten prawn]

I'm adjusted to assuming it's mostly up

[steel flame]

Otherwise warpslice is a wasted blessing slot

[acoustic isle]

Warp slice is kinda eh for me

[celest valve]

should i just ignore this since you want high peril

[acoustic isle]

The damage of the wave and it's usefulness is chaffe clearing

[molten prawn]

Idk if you want to to keep scriers up more

[acoustic isle]

Or the hit stun on elites

[celest valve]

hmmm

[steel flame]

It will increase your toughness Regen and scriers time

[celest valve]

if i take it, i also need to take a talent off of scrier's gaze

i might not need warp unbound too tbh since i can just quell fast

[steel flame]

Show me the build

[acoustic isle]

Personally it's just riposte and wrath

[wet belfry]

I prefer not using it respective to the point cost

[molten prawn]

Dump the last node

By Crack of bone kinda keeps you from exploding anyway

[celest valve]

i'm also wanting more points up there tbh

[wet belfry]

Also the DR from being in scriers is a trap

[celest valve]

i figured as much tbh

guessing that's not a trap tho right

[wet belfry]

You are better of getting higher toughness rather then investing in situational DR

[molten prawn]

I haven't tested it but to make sure does the big push attack from greatsword gen perils

I assumed it does

[rigid sky]

Not having Quietitude gets me killed 100% of the time tbh

[steel flame]

Well you know I'm gonna say it, but you have 2 talents tied up in something that only affects half the greatsword

[celest valve]

indeed and this frankly would probably be better with assail anyway but :v

or actually no smite is good for the tap and yeet

[steel flame]

I mean on an illi build I'd say it's fine

[tacit stump]

is it just me or does make the gs manny psyker stupid

[carmine agate]

nope

[steel flame]

But fgs has both anti armor and horde and those are only buffing one of those since they are entirely split into light and heavy

[plucky perch]

hey yall is the disrupt destiny ui icvon bugged? ive never gotten more then single stavck evenwhen killing em back to back, and it seems it even has the same base 4 second furation

[carmine agate]

im stupid even without gs 🗿

[celest valve]

a lot of psykers are used to range combat, where melee mechanics aren't useful

[radiant yew]

What's the dumpstat on the Moonlight Greatsword

[molten prawn]

The timer is the short buff you don't see the stacks it's bugged

[prime elk]

siblings have been skipping legday

[prime elk]

warp resist

[eager token]

warp res prob

[celest valve]

...ah, right, going into cosmetics without exiting the menu first removes all your talent points.

[clear heath]

reloading autopistol to build peril is the most unhinged thing i've heard today

[celest valve]

heh

[plucky perch]

ty i figured but wanted to double check i was reliably hitting significantly harder then with the psionic empowerment capstone

[celest valve]

i try in the psyker chat, I really do

[prime elk]

the day's just started 🙂

[radiant yew]

I blew all my dockets on a moonlight and the dump stats were all cleave and damage on them what the hell man

[grim pike]

whats the bubble shield sweaty builds

[clear heath]

i mean honestly running autopistol at all is already unhinged

[steel flame]

Did you see my tank build yet?

[clear heath]

no i haven't

[steel flame]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da537bb-b5dd-4d60-ac1d-33dd41cf45ab/melee-toughness-tank

[celest valve]

honestly I'd probably do the speedloader revolver one instead

[clear heath]

you're gonna show me inspiring barrage autopistol aren't you...

[celest valve]

just because you can clear 6 shots and reload

[steel flame]

It's amazing

[clear heath]

wow

[molten prawn]

I like the auto pistol it may tickle enemies but the stagger and suppression is nice

[prime elk]

great way to make your teammates hate you

run SAP

[celest valve]

pinning fire and blaze away would be what you'd frequently want afaik

[prime elk]

ammo that could actually be used to kill heretics used to now give them light massages

[steel flame]

It's a full melee build, gun is just there to Regen and get me in with empathic

[celest valve]

actually it's used to get strength

[molten prawn]

Honestly the crit one to trigger empathic and toughness to just live is an idea

Give up on real damage

[clear heath]

With how they changed DD targeting, maybe you could ditch cruel fortune and get even more toughness

[pseudo eagle]

Anyone got a tree build for the force saber?

[prime elk]

wdym?

[clear heath]

you might be able to sustain DD most of the time without it. Give it a try

[steel flame]

You right, I still need to test that

[celest valve]

also WOOOO +15 TOUGHNESS

[clear heath]

I've been able to sustain DD without the weakspot kill thing, outside of havoc conditions that slow down the match like pox gas

[steel flame]

The fgs fucks up bosses, and hordes so hard I don't really need the ranged slot and if I really need to kill a sniper I still have bb

[celest valve]

hmmm. the wave doesn't seem to electrocute anyone but the first target hit

[molten prawn]

Ya taking 10 secs per stacks it stays maxed while fighting

[celest valve]

actually

no only melee targets hit

[next heart]

DD feels so much better now. I used to have to chase DD's down with a recon before this patch but now I just have stacks just chopping into fools with the greatsword. I might even swap to the 25 stack node and see if i can keep them up

[steel flame]

It only applies to HEAVY melee attacks

It's not great for your build

[celest valve]

okay i do like the VII antiarmor attacks tho

[clear heath]

They haven't done anything with charged strike right? I assume it's still dogshit

[brazen warren]

still sadly terrible

[patent steeple]

btw, I might need a reminder on what blessings/perks are good for mk8 FGS...

[celest valve]

honestly just make it every melee attack :p

[steel flame]

On fgs? It's amazing on full charge

[eager token]

the auto crit special every 20 secs is nice

[clear heath]

that shit does like 30-80 damage on a delay
why did fatshark think this is okay?

[clear heath]

no i mean the smite node

[steel flame]

Oh that

Ass

Total ass

[next heart]

i don't think fgs really needs the extra damage, but on my heavy sword build, it would sometimes be just enough to get another breakpoint

but thats mostly because heavy sword is not great against single enemies lol

[eager token]

i am curious how good a warp rider scriers and crack of bone build is with the peril strength blessing on fgs

i bet that thing fucks

[patent steeple]

from my personal experience, its only use case is on mk6 knife, because the PA counts as a heavy...

[shy fiber]

Meleeker is real

[celest valve]

ok. so despite scaling with charge level, the electrocute on heavy attacks doesn't even scale based on charge level of the melee

[next heart]

if you want to fuck with crack of bone and scriers try a heavy sword, you can keep scriers up for an entire horde at the rate it slices heads off. i couldn't replicate that with the fgs

[celest valve]

you can just say psyker btw, I'm not entirely sure there's a psyker build in existence that doesn't run warp rider :p

[haughty star]

Wrath on that thing is such a monster

[haughty star]

No good one anyway

[shy fiber]

I wonder if the rending on high peril talent is worth it

[eager token]

there was a build in here where someone dropped it but they were playing high level havoc

[shy fiber]

Its so far away on the tree lmao . . .

[haughty star]

Doesn't work

[shy fiber]

REALLY?

Like its bugged bugged?

[haughty star]

Unless they fixed it

pots

[steel flame]

I guess? It's a small dot, with minimal damage increase on an extremely limited trigger condition. It's just not a good set of talents

[clear heath]

high havoc builds have so much specialization that it doesn't surprise me tbh

[haughty star]

Penetration of the soul

[ripe obsidian]

So is the Force Greatsword Carapace + Unyielding/Flak/Maniac and Wrath + Shred/Momentum/Riposte?

[clear heath]

I'm gonna start practicing with bubble because of havoc

[haughty star]

Yes

[prime elk]

unstable power tho

[eager token]

yeah my experience has been rough without wall/dome, gunners just melt

lol

[shy fiber]

Honestly if I’m running scriers all the time with FGS I might run unstable power

[haughty star]

Don't really need it for any bps I've seen thing is strong as hell on its strong attacks and weak as hell on its weak ones

[prime elk]

what i do

[prime elk]

well you don't "need" many of the blessings

[steel flame]

I don't have warp rider on my toughness tank either, it's not helping me hit any new breakpoints

[eager token]

hardened pus modifier or whatever is insane

[clear heath]

I've never liked bubble because i like to progress games fast and not stay in one place.
Throwing that mindset out the window for havoc

[prime elk]

BPs isn't really a big deal on psyker anyway

[celest valve]

also the strikedown heavies... chain into each other! wooooo

[eager token]

3 brain bursts to kill one gunner

[celest valve]

....this sword has a way more complicated moveset than most melees.

[steel flame]

Carapace/unyielding

[prime elk]

i just use mk6 and spam lights on hordes and heavies on single targets becausei 'm lazy

[celest valve]

OH MY GOD

THERE'S A SPECIAL SPRINT ANIMATION

YES

[clear heath]

yeah it's so cool
It has draw attacks, sprint attacks, and slide attacks

[haughty star]

Depends on what you're using the sword for lol. I personally find the value of flak better for bruiser spam and maniac better for reaching rager bps

[shy fiber]

Samurai looking ass sprint

[steel flame]

Yeah the best horde clear combo for 6 is a l1, l2, block cancel loop

[ripe obsidian]

Is high Havoc fun-challenging or frustrating-challenging? What I am hearing sounds pretty frustrating tbh

[outer jungle]

I'm running Momentum + Deflector with Carapace and Unyielding perks

[eager token]

what level is high havoc

[celest valve]

oh 6, i'm using 7 right now which horde clear combo is l2 + h1

[haughty star]

Its like bubble psykers mandatory

So if that tells you anything lol

[ripe obsidian]

That sounds annoying

[steel flame]

You mean 8?

[celest valve]

er 8 yes sorry

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know. I haven't played since the patch.

[haughty star]

8 has a really frigging strong strike down in it but I can never replicate it reliably

[celest valve]

i think if there's ragers or elites in the pack however you want l1 l2 l3 l4

[eager token]

i was playing low/mid 20s last night and was getting my shit rocked a lot but i’m rusty lol

[outer jungle]

You mean the push follow-up?

[haughty star]

Mostly I just light spam. Wrath carries that thing far

No it's in the heavy chain somewhere

Only ever hit it on accident lol

[steel flame]

I steamrolled 4 auric maelstrom in a row getting friends set for havoc but it didn't count for me because I forgot to talk to the commissar, and then we lost 5 in a row to bullshit. I'm super steamed

[eager token]

it’s h2 -> h3

[celest valve]

...the fully charged swing can hit the elite rager all the way over there.

[eager token]

on the mk8

[steel flame]

So I haven't played havoc yet

[outer jungle]

okay, my strikedown go-to is the push follow-up. It's just deletes maulers

[celest valve]

Push attack - heavy SP - h2 - h2 - h2

[eager token]

does the push attack chain?

ah nice

[haughty star]

Oh okay yeah cuz the beginning heavies are kinda whack but it's got some wonky ones in there lol

[outer jungle]

The mk8 has a stronger version of the mk6 h2

After push

[haughty star]

The slide heavy feels strong too thats usually my go to for mailers and crushers

Tfw it has its own slide heavy lmfao

[patent mango]

man last part of carnival in havoc is quite uh

[celest valve]

actually hmm

[patent mango]

scary

[zinc phoenix]

holy smokes i got rolled with vet

may as well have been a dead body in a cart

[patent mango]

oh that was you in gam?

[celest valve]

best heavy atack combo might actually be

PA - HPA - H2 - L3 - L4 then repeat

only if you can hit the heads with the two light attacks tho

[clear heath]

yeah I did 3 before realizing i had to talk to the npc and then had a losing streak too

pain

[molten prawn]

Are people liking 8 more than 6

I'm just 2 hitting crushers with 6

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah the body bag getting fucking pummeled was me 😂

[patent mango]

idk the golden toughness was helpful

[clear heath]

I've been using the 6 mainly. Haven't given 8 much thought yet

[celest valve]

oh riiiight crit also is affected by finnesse ain't it owo

[haughty star]

8 seems more brain dead for heavy horde clear, 6 seems more for elites and shit from what I gather

[zinc phoenix]

I think smoke/voc is the way with a bunch of psykers

[patent mango]

actual smoke use??/

[zinc phoenix]

Krak was so shit

[molten prawn]

And bullwarks but that depends

[patent mango]

yeah uh we usually do good crusher dmg with melee

[zinc phoenix]

And chainsword was totally worthless, I may as well have been swinging a dilso

[celest valve]

honestly they need to halve the time until detonation once it attaches >.>

[plucky flax]

Need 1 more for havoc 28 it's veri hard

[analog agate]

Was this for Havoc? Path posted a build yesterday (or right before release) of a shredder nade spam build with kantrael XII and powers word. Looks good

[molten prawn]

Krak is still good for ogyrn coming in 6 man groups

5 fucking bulwarks is cancer

[zinc phoenix]

That build has a billion DR and I was going down like I was made of paper 🤦‍♀️ in auric maels I could shrug off reaper

[celest valve]

wait lmao you can spam the special a hilarious amount

[zinc phoenix]

Not a bad shout

[acoustic isle]

so quick question for everyone. How's malefic momentum looking on the greatsword. feels like a talent just ripe for use with it

[molten prawn]

I should try out the double barrel again with both barrels and scattershot

[lean mural]

ok lads

do i make too big a deal out of tox bombers

because i think they're enough of a threat that frequently i focus them incredibly hard as soon as i hear them, including closing distance, but then nobody else does and i get surrounded and eat shit

obviously the move here is "stay with team" but i am assuming they're also going to focus the bomber and go with me

[molten prawn]

It'll probably be mediocre but I want to use it on non vet

[celest valve]

what. Even. is the range on this. holy

[zinc phoenix]

It’s pretty nutty

Genuinely I cannot comprehend how vulnerable I felt on vet

[summer prairie]

it's shriek range but it does no damage beyond like 15m even at max charge

[zinc phoenix]

Aka the infinity durability class

[prime elk]

Good as always

[buoyant mantle]

man I've been enjoying force greatsword

[zinc phoenix]

Also yeah deflector is now stapled to my greatsword

[buoyant mantle]

but it does got some quirk on the breakpoint

[zinc phoenix]

Still think wall is the go but I’m more convinced by bubble

[outer jungle]

Still playing around with mk6 FGS but mk8 just feels better overall to me

[prime elk]

Bubble prob be better for havoc tbh

[zinc phoenix]

Issue was I was playing with 3 psyker so horde clear was totally not needed

But smoke would have been great

[analog agate]

Ah

[zinc phoenix]

I think I should have spent more time rebuilding

[patent mango]

actual smoke usage would be funny

[zinc phoenix]

Big mind shift with the high 20s havoc for sure

[celest valve]

seems like it's a hard falloff, it has 1-2 ranges below that

[polar kettle]

So what are some recommended secondaries for FGS (other than revolver)

[analog agate]

I’m going to be doing flurry/rending trauma and bubble

[broken carbon]

i think for havoc i’m going to go take bubble, and smite purely for pathing

for PA

[summer prairie]

the falloff starts at 10m and after 20m it's already minimum damage, which is like 10%

for l2 charge

[zinc phoenix]

Goop makes trauma really risky imo

[celest valve]

GOOOOOOOOOOP

[patent mango]

goop

[broken carbon]

goopin it

[pastel warren]

I run wrath and riposte on my gs

[analog agate]

Trauma has infinite cleave though. And at high havoc those hordes will be hard and dense

[celest valve]

https://tenor.com/3Zql.gif

[buoyant mantle]

autogun perhaps, run gunpsyker build

[polar kettle]

ew

[celest valve]

autopistol

[prime elk]

I run laspistol

[buoyant mantle]

that or bolt pistol yeah

[pastel warren]

Peril edge builds are good with force gs

[celest valve]

you could try the speedloader revolver for something different

[pastel warren]

Laspistol is stellar

[celest valve]

because it's HIGH NOON

[prime elk]

Yup

So good lol

[mild junco]

Hi, What's the dumpstat on the new sword for psyker ?

[grim pike]

warp res

[fresh reef]

Which mark of the FGS are you guys preferring?

[buoyant mantle]

warp I think, you wouldn't activate it all the time

[prime elk]

definitely warp

facilitates peril edging

[fresh reef]

Does solidity affect passive quell speed?

[buoyant mantle]

plus low warp resist synergis with peril scaling blessing and perk

[mossy oyster]

best modifier for FGS

[mossy oyster]

mk8 is superior

[lunar gyro]

Is wrath just to prevent the sword getting stuck on thick enemies? I always heard light attack cleave damage stops after like 5 enemies tops. Maybe that was just the eviscerator...

[fresh reef]

Strikedown heavies go brrr

[buoyant mantle]

I use one that got heavy stab i forgot to read the mark lol

[pastel warren]

Mk8 is the one with 3 horizontal lights and the two heavies that are strikedown and stab right

Im running that one

[steel flame]

Mk8 has simpler combos, but mk6 has better damage both horde and elite/boss

[broken carbon]

mk8

easy horde clear

incredible single target on the PA into heavy thrust attack

and normal heavies have good enough single target too

[mossy oyster]

me when I PA into thrust into bonk and 2 tap a crusher

in 1 second

[broken carbon]

get this man a true

(but mk6 has better single target)

(trust me guys)

[buoyant mantle]

I was using mk 6 I think

it fucks

[steel flame]

The l1 l2 block repeat on the mk6 also does better horde clear than the mk8

[celest valve]

holy shit the mk8 is so goddamn fun

[buoyant mantle]

it can two tap maulers with dd

[vernal temple]

now I can die succumb to perils of the warp dressed like a proper loyalist

[steel flame]

Congrats

[vernal temple]

give me a thin red visor and I'm Robocop

[steel flame]

I can't be bothered with penances personally

[radiant yew]

The MLGS is honestly peak

[broken carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/kalmia-super-kalmia-world-gif-9818205012430855112

[radiant yew]

Fatshark really outdid themselves on both greatswords, still haven't tried the Ogryn stubber

[vernal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-ludwig-my-true-mentor-my-guiding-moonlight-moonlight-gif-20321022

[patent mango]

i havent seen any ludwig named psykers yet

[vernal temple]

laughs in horse

[radiant yew]

I'll fix that as soon as I get the 50k dockets tbh

[celest valve]

btw touch greatswords with your other greatsowrdf sers

by holding inspect

[quartz barn]

mine is just called richtofen

obv running male loner

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, so Auric Maelstrom is just full of people trying to skip Havoc levels. That's annoying.

[marble crater]

Who would have thought

[ripe obsidian]

We did not win.

[dire warren]

I think I accidently found my new main. Running a soul blaze build on a soul blazing great sword is pretty hilarious.

[clear heath]

might be interesting to run blazing spirit force gs with fire trauma

[buoyant mantle]

I don't think blaze trigger on wave crit didn't it ?

[clear heath]

no it doesn't

[buoyant mantle]

crime

[molten prawn]

I've never found that soul blaze matters with weapons with good horde clear

And barely on deimos

[clear heath]

Force GS isn't that reliant on essential blessings so i'm a little more open to the idea of blazing spirit

[molten prawn]

Without another source of soul blaze you just don't get enough

[clear heath]

On the other force swords it's like "but muh slaughterer/uncanny"

[dire warren]

I just think the walls of screaming meat are pretty

And yeah I specced for all the soulblaze talents.. No where near a key stone. Lowest talent's warp rider. Still fun as hell.

[thick valley]

Commisar told me I couldn’t do Havoc unless I completed auric maelstrom… even though I’m an Auric Storm Survivor lol

[zinc phoenix]

The ass is not enough 😤

[dire warren]

What have you done for me lately , LOL

[celest valve]

seeing an entire high difficulty horde evaporate in a single greatsword special

[buoyant mantle]

i run riposte and that one finesse blessing

[celest valve]

just

mmmmph

[zinc phoenix]

oh btw you get the leaver penalty if you leave a group in the setup phase

which i thought was wacky because you arent in the mission and can still cancel

[celest valve]

holy

[zinc phoenix]

i was in a group where 3 people were grinding weapons and i just didnt want to deal

[leaden thunder]

*50 second cd

[celest valve]

you mean 20s

[summer prairie]

the descriptions are wrong

it's 30,25,20,15

[leaden thunder]

15 second cd for 1 attack just doesn't seem worth it

when you can crank crit chance on psyker anyway

[celest valve]

blazing warp slice

[molten prawn]

Doesn't work

[celest valve]

have you tried the warp slice yet

[radiant lance]

Should I keep this sword at this power level?

[celest valve]

nooo whyyyyy ;..;

[patent mango]

you'd wanna max those defences probably

[broken carbon]

special generates enough peril that if u need high peril, you can get to it fast with 60% warp res

[molten prawn]

The sword blast doesn't trigger blaze

[weary crane]

What's the nametag for purge heric 7?

[broken carbon]

so, i think you should

[celest valve]

lessee what other stuff

shred? would that be good?

[broken carbon]

it’s like 3 specials and ur at 90%

[broken carbon]

riposte precog is what i run

[celest valve]

do you like need more cleave at all for the sword lol

[radiant lance]

Fair enough, I'll max it

[leaden thunder]

we dump quel speed on the truama/voidblast right

[gloomy hornet]

Whats the horde clear combo on the force gsword cuz spamming m1 seems to do genuinely dinky damage

[radiant lance]

I think you do actually

[gloomy hornet]

To even pox walkers

[radiant lance]

Depends on mk

[molten prawn]

M6 you can do a few things

Block push light heavy light

[celest valve]

read the patch notes

https://www.playdarktide.com/news/grim-protocols-free-update-out-now

literally suggested horde and single target combos in there

[gloomy hornet]

Yo say that again I’ll melt your brain

[celest valve]

look if you can't read the patch notes why would you read anything we say here lol

[sand sigil]

Have you tried reading the patch notes?
https://www.playdarktide.com/news/grim-protocols-free-update-out-now

[gloomy hornet]

Just say you don’t know

[sand sigil]

You could of read the patch notes in the time its taken you to reply

[gloomy hornet]

Get that trust level 4 combo out of here

[celest valve]

you haven't even told us the greatsword mk bruh.

[radiant lance]

This honestly might be decent with FGS considering how easy it ease to bump up your peril. The downside is you're giving up essence.

[vague furnace]

What's the dump stat on new sword?

[radiant lance]

Warp res

[vague furnace]

Ty

[celest valve]

warp splitting should be taken, always, on every melee psyker, for now until eternity lol

[prime elk]

Wdym giving up on essence?

[gloomy hornet]

forgor
mk6

[flat moat]

Which of the las pistols is better?

[prime elk]

Mk 2

[celest valve]

cool, you can now go into the patch notes, scroll down to where it describes the mk6 blaaze greatsword about halfway down, and read there

[gloomy hornet]

trust level 4 inefficient ahh combo

cannot kill a single bruiser in havoc ahh combo

[lunar gyro]

It's literally spam heavies and the elites die

[molten prawn]

The faster shooting one imo

Until someone corrects me on that

[prime elk]

No that's right

Mk X just isn't that good sadly

[marble crater]

We dump warp resistance, it scales a lot worse than quell speed

[molten prawn]

Doesn't seem to hit different breakpoints shoots slower and more ammo

[restive cave]

How does that make you give up essence? Don't you collect it on cleave too?

[prime elk]

It staggers some specialists on body shot, but yeah otherwise it's just worse

[celest valve]

also because we want peril mmm gib that good warp juice

also essence whuh

[marble crater]

Indeed, we need the voices

[celest valve]

i still want a keystone that locks your minimum peril at 86%. nothing else. just here have free warp juice

[haughty star]

Wrath feels good on fgs and you spend alot of time at low peril with by crack of bone on sg

[celest valve]

also i find it funny people abbreviate the new sword like dark souls

https://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Farron+Greatsword sadly no cool flips

[haughty star]

We abbreaviate everything here lol

Also it's a acronym not a abbreviation

Although i guess acronyms are technically a type of abbreviation

[mossy oyster]

FGS

[late oriole]

so anyone managed to make a good psyker melee build ?

[celest valve]

has the dumb nurgle psyker figured out how to heavy attack yet or are they still trying to figure out combos

[ripe obsidian]

Well. Auric Maelstrom is frustrating right now. I might take a few more days off to wait it out.

[prime elk]

All I run

Even pre fgs

[late oriole]

could you share it so i can try ?

[prime elk]

Not on my PC ATM 😭

[late oriole]

😔

[prime elk]

I'm sure others can share there's unless you don't mind waiting nine hours or so

[twilit veldt]

ok so i found an itsi bitsy bug on dark communion map with the FGS, the beam actually goes through the green walls so you can anger the crushers that are set up behind each wall straight off the bat

[ancient plover]

not sure if I like the sponginess of the havoc enemies

tfw your voidstrike doesnt oneshot snipers

[late oriole]

hope someone can share it before because i'll probably sleep in 9hours

[twilit veldt]

makes it somewhat easier to go through the last part of the mission, plus it also damages the stim vats

[marble crater]

The sponginess goes away, if you kill them

[ancient plover]

I haven't thought about it like that

[celest valve]

also you've got like 3 other people

it's probably tuned for two people working in concert while the other two people reload or reposition

[ripe obsidian]

We're in Skyrim difficulty now. Bandit in leather gear with a stick one-shots you through full Daedric, but your sword only tickles him.

[patent mango]

wowie

idk what any of that is from

[prime elk]

I do have a build saved on Games Lantern. but it's a meme build and difficult to play. Its also not for the fgs which is what I assume you want

[ancient plover]

did you do 50 havoc missions?

[patent mango]

no

i've done ermm

like 4??

[ancient plover]

oh its the pants

that should be for hitting level 25?

[patent mango]

ohh

[late oriole]

yeah exactly

[patent mango]

makes sense then

[next heart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da55bba-f13c-4e57-9954-2f5d2d38e4ad/no-warp-fgs

this is my "melee" build, all sword all the time unless you need to pop a special with the bistol (can swap with another ranged if you prefer but this was working for me)

[patent mango]

ye pant

[late oriole]

i'll try that, thanks

[patent mango]

blazing spirit sucks sadly

[next heart]

yeah i haven't really been feeling the spirit that much

[prime elk]

Cleave is going to not be great on that build

[next heart]

i seem to get most burn stacks from elites

[prime elk]

Without warp splitter or wrath

Really think you need one or the other

[next heart]

i might go back to wrath over spirit

my true cleave build is with a heavy sword, but i have to use a recon to kill carapace/monstrosities with that

[clear heath]

wow recon on carapace

[next heart]

yeah it's horrible but the burn stacks get there eventually

[prime elk]

Rip ammo

[clear heath]

burn on cara is also not good

[prime elk]

Or ttk

[next heart]

again, horrible

but better than bonking with heavy sword

[clear heath]

I think you could probably get away with heavy sword recon on vet

[next heart]

i use a bolter on my heavy sword vet build

[clear heath]

cause you could go rending and make it almost viable against crushers

and vet recon has stupid ammo econ anyways

[summer prairie]

@plucky flax crash

[plucky flax]

Just rejoin.

[clear heath]

How high are you guys in havoc now?

[summer prairie]

still 28

[opal raven]

Why does it feel so sluggish to play psyker, I dont understand it

[wet belfry]

not alot of time to game unforunately.

[opal raven]

can anybody give me any tips on psyker?

[celest valve]

don't die

[clear heath]

press buttons

[celest valve]

be good at melee

[craggy crest]

i'm curious about something

how would the dialogue turn out if all players were seer psykers

[prime elk]

You have to provide more details on your build if you want actually helpful advice

[restive cave]

Sluggish sounds more like not grokking the movement set of the weapons than the build

[opal raven]

psyker as a whole feels clunky and sluggish

slow

cant close the gap fast enough

[celest valve]

weapon diff

[next heart]

are you sprinting?

[opal raven]

y e s

[next heart]

just checking lol

[restive cave]

sliding?

[prime elk]

Psyker can be one of the fastest class in the game if you build for it

[opal raven]

y e s

[prime elk]

So that's definitely an issue with how you build

[craggy crest]

they have the one speed bonus perk..

[restive cave]

did you use to play zealot? what level is your psyker?

[opal raven]

27 atm

[prime elk]

Multiple

[restive cave]

you shouldn't be feeling slow by 27

[next heart]

try scriers gaze if you want speed

[opal raven]

I'm using it though

[prime elk]

Post build and weapons

[next heart]

[marble crater]

Close the gap to where? You are not a zealot

[restive cave]

you should be outrunning your teammates with SG

[prime elk]

Hey that's how I play psyker

[tiny tartan]

How's the sword?

[restive cave]

yeah, build and weapons pls

[opal raven]

Ok what weapon should I go for then

[restive cave]

same lol

oggy at heart, gotta close the gap and smack em in the face

[opal raven]

Im using the new greatsword thingy

[restive cave]

try the normal force sword

or the duelling sword

[next heart]

duelling sword for feeling fast for sure

[prime elk]

Oh that's inherently slow weapon lol

[craggy crest]

ah a momentum perk from killing

[wispy bay]

Unpopular opinion, 1h force sword is better than the 2h one.

[restive cave]

I assumed that if he's 27 he's been playing since before the patch

[mellow pendant]

that is unpopular indeed

[restive cave]

and thus always feeling sluggish but idk

[haughty star]

Ummm

[mellow pendant]

I like the strikedowns on fgs

[craggy crest]

3

[prime elk]

Eh different purposes imo

[opal raven]

Before the patch i was 10 ;-;

[wispy bay]

such as?

[restive cave]

Post build and weapon

we can't help you otherwise

[next heart]

i like the strikedowns but i love the jedi force push from across the room with fgs

[prime elk]

FGS is really good as a dedicated melee. FS are good as sidearms or backups

[upper sun]

nah its very doable many people made it to 39 as of yesterday

[restive cave]

yeah, I mean, I don't doubt it

[steel flame]

Illi and diemos are specialized, fgs is allrounder dedicated melee

[restive cave]

I grinded my zealot from 1 to 25 in a day when I came back

[marble crater]

lvl 27, clad

[upper sun]

nice

[wispy bay]

The FS has more attack speed and more mobility, it kills things much faster than the "dedicated melee"

[haughty star]

Mettle, warp speed, disrupt destiny, and the flat node lol

[marble crater]

Not havoc

[restive cave]

but in no world is a SG psyker slow

[upper sun]

😭

[restive cave]

I'm always zipping around

[prime elk]

Must take all of them

[craggy crest]

let's see... think its like 40% movement speed bonus max at one time

[dire orchid]

I think illisi is more well rounded because you can use rending strikes and it has decent horde clear

Didn't mean to reply

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/ccelerate-brake-minions-gif-4355671

[restive cave]

Illisi is nice because of its moveset

[molten prawn]

I feel more mobile on greatsword psyker than greatsword zealot

[haughty star]

Average recon enjoyer experience

[restive cave]

it's super easy to tap both horde clear and single target

greatsword moveset is...

a bit more complicated

[prime elk]

Max is 60 I believe

[next heart]

i feel like the kill speed is generally true but the fgs kills a larger variety of enemies. the fs marks are good at horde or heavy elites, but not both, while the fgs does both well

[prime elk]

But it's conditional

[steel flame]

But they can't do both at the same level like fgs. They either horde clear super well, or anti armor super well. But can't do both really well like FGS

[wispy bay]

I find it doing both meh

[leaden thunder]

I mean the regular force swords get proped up a ton becuase of some incredibly strong blessings

[steel flame]

I would never take an illi as my armor or diemos as my horde clear

[wispy bay]

It is true that you need less heavy hit to kill armoured, but your attack is so slow.

[near wyvern]

Obscurus is also viable now

[haughty star]

The 2h one is Hella versatile

I like the 8 but wrath is a must

[near wyvern]

Took only 2 years

[prime elk]

Oh right I need to check it out

[clear heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487110864504094730/1311384845204848853/illisi_propaganda.gif

[ancient plover]

do we know whats inside the weekly havoc cache?

[marble crater]

Dockets, plastell and diamantine I guess?

[ancient plover]

so nothing really useful?

[steel flame]

If I only need anti armor I'd take diemos over fgs. If my build only needed more horde clear I'd take illi sword. But if I want to fill both slots at once fgs is the answer

[leaden thunder]

is that fully stacked slaught and uncanny?

[clear heath]

simply stack every buff in the game to make illisi kill armor

[craggy crest]

5% from the passive perk, 15% from mettle, 20% from a scriers perk and 20% from disrupt destiny... so yeah 60% as mentioned

[wispy bay]

If you need both, Obscurus is actually an option.

[wispy bay]

Obscurus move set is very close to the FGS, but faster.

[steel flame]

It's really not but sure

[leaden thunder]

it's an option now

[ancient plover]

what blessings on the deimos and illisi?

[clear heath]

fully stacked slaught, uncanny, 25 DD, max scriers, perfect timing, and malefic momentum

just a small amount of buffs

[leaden thunder]

just a bit

I think they very specifically didn't give either the new swords sluaght

[dire orchid]

What staff compliments the fgs well? I was thinking of strike or blast. I really want to have something to deal with bulwarks and crushers quick. Maybe I should try smite and just hold them

[leaden thunder]

makes them stand on thier own better

[haughty star]

There would be no reason to use anything else lol

[clear heath]

in all seriousness though, illisi does well with buffs and is one of the easier swords to obtain buffs with.
Self sustaining malefic and being good with crack of bone to sustain scriers

[prime elk]

Laspistol

[clear heath]

imo it works well as a hyperbuffed sword

[leaden thunder]

sounds like you want voidblast

[dire orchid]

Is the crit with peril and surge the way to go?

[restive cave]

voidblast

[craggy crest]

made a tank psyker with the buff to toughness and managed to get through auric damnation for the first time

[dire orchid]

Oh yeah the mortar, warp flurry and crit with peril or brittle?

[next heart]

speaking of malefic
is it worth taking for fgs if your only plan for warp attacks is the slice and soulblaze? my heart wants to say yes because it sounds cool but i'm not sure the math adds up

[trail orbit]

So combat shotgun build. What can I work with? (read all this in Tony Sopranos voice from the Sopranos)

[near wyvern]

It's slow as fuck. DS4 is my answer if I want Deimos and Illisi to have sex. But I am a mobility knife addict after all. FGS goes hard with revolver though.

[prime elk]

It's worth it with assail weaving which you absolutely should be doing anyways

[restive cave]

Which FGS are you taking with assail? The strikedown one?

[craggy crest]

when it comes to big things... find the inferno staff can work well enough with teamwork with brittleness

[next heart]

i really want psykinetics though

[heady perch]

thoughts? yoinked it from brunt

[prime elk]

I've only been using mk6 but I need to try mk8

[clear heath]

I don't think you get enough value if those are literally your only warp damage sources.
Either bring assail or a staff

[steel flame]

I'm trying to not involve the ds4 since it's the big outlier

[near wyvern]

Very realistic yes, these are always up, just click heads don't die yes yes

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[restive cave]

Uhhhh which one is which LOL

I still haven't committed to memory which is which

[trail orbit]

Shotgoun combat biuld . Combatical shotgun shotgun combat?

[radiant lance]

I mean that for high uptime on this node, you'd need to use the special a lot, such that you wouldn't be stacking up that much essence.

[prime elk]

Uhh idk how to describe it besides the mark haha

[steel flame]

NGL have not had any issues with speed. Been running this build with it and it's been rolling auric and maelstrom

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da537bb-b5dd-4d60-ac1d-33dd41cf45ab/melee-toughness-tank

[restive cave]

ahhh makes sense

[radiant lance]

I disagree. Some weapons don't need it, like DS.

[next heart]

i like the slug shottie with builds that just need something to kill specials

fullbore

[restive cave]

is it the one that hordeclears?

[radiant lance]

Why with revolver specifically?

[restive cave]

Or the one with the powerful block-push-stab

[next heart]

but also it should probably be a bistol it seems just better

[prime elk]

I just spam lights for horde clear

[restive cave]

you don't find that doing the same role as assail, aka horde clear?

[prime elk]

And heavies for single target

[radiant lance]

Mk 6 hordeclear combo is L1 L2 l3 Heavy -> repeat

[steel flame]

Both have horde clear. Mk6 has hordeclear on lights and armor on heavy and mk8 has armor on lights and horde clear on heavies

[prime elk]

I use both

[prime elk]

Yes that's correct but I'm lazy

[restive cave]

yeah, I meant hordeclear on the L

[steel flame]

L1 l2 block cancel loop is better. Much faster.

[near wyvern]

That's cause you are a good varlet and bring a mobility ranged weapon. Revolver, shredder and heavy laspistol all make the movement so much better.

[prime elk]

Too much work

[radiant lance]

Is it actually?

[steel flame]

Yes

It's not hard either

[radiant lance]

Did you do some testing on that?

[steel flame]

Yup

[zinc phoenix]

Idk mostly what I care about is not getting fukin ravaged by shooters

[restive cave]

should be easier now

[radiant lance]

So you switch the the ranged weapon whenever not in combat to move around?
In high diffs there aren't many moments like that

[restive cave]

they reduced the stunlock from gunners

[haughty star]

I usually use recon cuz it feels fast and doesn't need to be aimed

[zinc phoenix]

That’s because they made them way the fuck killier 😂

And in havoc they x10 that

[restive cave]

dodge and weave

[restive cave]

[steel flame]

L1 l2 then a quick split second block breaks the string and loops back into l1 for a very fast horde clear loop

[zinc phoenix]

Eat one shooter burst: die

Empathic evasion most mandatory trait of our time

[dire orchid]

Is the cleave with peril talent multiplicative with wrath or additive

[haughty star]

Dumping finesse is definitely a choice

[steel flame]

Oh gods why

[radiant lance]

Right I realize how to do it, just wondering if you have numbers on hordeclear speed for both loops

[mellow gorge]

One of the choices of all time

[zinc phoenix]

I didn’t realize how much I was crutching on crits for ranged evasion until I stopped playing psyker and started eating shit with a shovel

[steel flame]

Yes, you get a higher horde DPS with block cancel loop

[radiant lance]

Cool, I'll switch to it

[prime elk]

Really is a stupidly strong talent lol

[radiant lance]

I do wonder if the H4 has a good profile for mixed

[trail orbit]

what primary weapons for psyker kill crushers?

[next heart]

fgs

[restive cave]

voidstrike

[marble crater]

Dueling Sword

[radiant lance]

DS, 2nd is FGS

[mellow gorge]

Laspistol

[marble crater]

Deimos, knife

[steel flame]

No

[trail orbit]

sadly I am not intelligent enough to understand these acronyms

[zinc phoenix]

Everyone doing a party is just straight up not taking people who don’t have the big tags

[steel flame]

Not laspistol for crushers xP

[radiant lance]

Dueling Sword, Force great sword

[brazen drum]

hello, anyone recommend what good combos on MK8 force sword that utilize the stabbing heavy for single targets? I think it is on H2?

[restive cave]

whats a big tag

[bold turret]

Mind powers

[mellow gorge]

Once upon a time......

[next heart]

push attack -> heavy for stab

[trail orbit]

nvm seconday. I thought melee was secondary

[radiant lance]

Pretty sure the only way to get stabbing heavy on that mk is after push attack

[marble crater]

Mk 8 has the stab as push attack after blocking, so do that

[steel flame]

I'm using my mind powers to pull the trigger and delete that boss over there in 12 seconds

[radiant lance]

Trauma stuns them and does decent damage. I would go for that if you're trying to counter crushers

[brazen drum]

thank you! havent tried that yet, i keep using light1 then heavy but it goes to heavy1 first before the stab..

[radiant lance]

Fully charged trauma knocks crushers on their ass

[restive cave]

It's block-push-stab - that's the only moveset that does that

[steel flame]

Fgs force push knocks over crushers too

[next heart]

how, exactly, i use the warp to make my lasgun shoot better is beyond what the average cretin can understand

[near wyvern]

FGS is slow as fuck for moving, so it greatly benefits from a mobility ranged weapon, therefore the options are shredder (toughness gen, anti rager, anti trash ranged), heavy laspistol (anti specialist, anti ranged, anti rager) or revolver which you can build as a tin can buster (agripinaa) or a faster brain burst with bullets (zarona).

Since Assail weave with malefic momentum and warp rider goes hard with FGS and Assail staggers ragers as well as generates toughness (first node on left), I don't really need shredder or laspistol.

My choice for FGS is Zarona since Assail has medium range covered and FGS is decent for killing crushers. My Zarona guarantees a crit with 6 surgical stacks so together with hand cannon and +maniac I only need a couple DD stacks to one shot town for others but ogryn sized enemies and maulers. Crushers die in 3 crits, so it is also fine to delete them from far away if I have time.

[restive cave]

Bistol with FGS

[bold turret]

Same here sibling but I like it close and personal, sg with fgs go suprisingly well together from the few testing missions ive done so far

[restive cave]

feel like eisenhorn

[fresh dune]

How does soulblaze work exactly

[trail orbit]

What yall think the mk8 FGS is good for?

[restive cave]

killing

[prime elk]

Kills things when stacked

[leaden thunder]

been using truama and assail with it, i'll have to give the revolver and bistol a go, but feeling like a proper battlemage with my current set up, most fun i've had as psyker

[brazen drum]

it feels great on laspistol too if you're ammo conscious

[near wyvern]

Well based in my melee psyker testing the thing that downs me the most with FGS maining is a trapper, so anything to quickly delete a trapper works and bonus points for mobility.

[trail orbit]

im comparison to the mk6

[summer prairie]

The hell, I had surety of arms instead of true aim the whole time, no wonder, yikes