psyker-class

[potent echo]

You can even cancel your swing into it

[spice flame]

Zealot/vet Ds are just cannons

[fiery stratus]

YES

[cosmic sigil]

NO

[fiery stratus]

Go look at the stats my dude

they're out there

[tacit stump]

i say it to you ds4 likely gets a nerf in the next time

[cosmic sigil]

DS2 has the same h1

[fiery stratus]

ok

Its not the same in the stats

the ds4 is literally nearly double in every catagory over the others

[cosmic sigil]

ds5 has other purpose

NO

[fiery stratus]

yes

[nocturne dust]

And Psyker is slow, and squishy to a lot more than just overheads, and has a harder time rotating buffs to consistently do damage, and does less damage than Vet/Zealot in melee anyway

[tacit stump]

and we have crappy stamina

[nocturne dust]

There's a reason all of Psyker's melee weapons would be overpowered on any other class.

[fiery stratus]

Yes it was less broken but it was still leagues better than the other psyker weapons

Giving it to the other human classes sent it over the edge

[nocturne dust]

Well, all of the ones worth using. I haven't rechecked Obscurus yet.

[tacit stump]

i heard obscurus has new weird hordeclear

[uncut leaf]

obscurus despite having an actual horde combo now is still probably mid at best

[modest perch]

I don’t think a zealot would be down with the warp swords tho

[tacit stump]

i preffer deimos

[tacit stump]

give them heavy heavy swords

[nocturne dust]

Eeeehhh, I mean I don't think Illisi was that great, and Deimos had a real niche of less (but still very good) single target while also doing horde clear

[fiery stratus]

which weapon

those stats

[nocturne dust]

You want to talk about crutches, Illisi crutches on Scrier's and DD

[cosmic sigil]

all ds do the same dmg on lights, except the ds2 has a fourth

[fiery stratus]

the lights mean nothing

the heavy stabs are what matter

[spice veldt]

comparison between duelling sword & knife heavies
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1309287207139545179/image.png?ex=6750da3b&is=674f88bb&hm=5b5e7619074781a7bda86c4cee441b485c78f19ba098375f50deaf83860b97b7&

[fiery stratus]

arco please post that fuckingthing

thank you

[cosmic sigil]

ds2 and ds4 have the same h1

[tacit stump]

wonders me zealot didn't got 2 hand axes either normal or chain

[spice veldt]

though you are technically wrong and keet is technically right as they've said

[fiery stratus]

Fair enough, doesn't make it less broken

[spice veldt]

but pedantism aside, the point that the stab heavies are stupidly strong is there

[cosmic sigil]

mk5 h1 and h2 are better than mk2 h2 is some cases

ah yeah

and a zealot with precog and duellist can just spam lights and fucking go to town with it

[nocturne dust]

I would just like carapace to be less stupid

[fiery stratus]

sure but pretty much nobody spams lights, its all stabs because it 1shots everything

[spice flame]

beside, it just is silly that a pointy toothpick is the most op thing against CARAPACE

[nocturne dust]

not really 🤷‍♂️

[cosmic sigil]

on zealot, yes you can

[nocturne dust]

penetration 😏

[tacit stump]

how so?

[fiery stratus]

yes you can do it

but nobody does

[summer prairie]

nothing in the game should one-shot crushers

[spice flame]

True

[uncut leaf]

BB should one shot crushers fuck it

[fiery stratus]

Nah thats a little far, if something meets conditions sure, but it shouldn't be so easy

[spice veldt]

solution: blessing that grants 10% damage stacking for every 360 degree turn made, stacking infinitely

[fiery stratus]

and repeatable

[tacit stump]

no a sharged thunderhammer heavy attack should oneshot crushers

[spice flame]

Btw, the changes to cara on ragers' body is not THAT noticeable in the end I feel like

[nocturne dust]

Well, I mean, for one, carapace reducing damage the way it does is Rending and brittleness are problems, and carapace needs to have its maximum damage reduction brought down while having its minimum damage reduction brought up (because it's zero, why is it zero?)

[spice veldt]

i'd say that even that is debatable

[fiery stratus]

Alright? I didn't say it was bad, I said nobody does it

Dorn saying he plays that way doesn't change the fact that the majority use stabs

[nocturne dust]

surge voidstrike crit tho

[tacit stump]

aren't thunderhammer like anti carapace/monster weapons

[cosmic sigil]

those who knows knows

[steep kindle]

my number 1 build

I love how goofy it is

[spice veldt]

it could be close to a one-sht, but i think the standards of carapace DPS are a bit wonky right now and I'd just rather stuff have no one-shot potential on crushers without insane over-specialized investment

[spice flame]

Yeah but it requires some prep, so it's fine

[tacit stump]

we aim for heads anyways and arm and legs still are flak

[spice veldt]

of course, crushers being individually stronger would ideally be accompanied by a nerf their numbers and yaddi yadda

[spice flame]

Ye

And purga on ragers is still flak

[summer prairie]

with stims or team buffs, but not otherwise

[nocturne dust]

Eh idk

[tacit stump]

with charged i mean the special activation

[spice veldt]

ye

[nocturne dust]

Aren't bosses supposed to be the anti one-shot guys

[steep kindle]

ehhh

not if they're fighting t-hammer zealot

lmao

[tacit stump]

they eat like 30-50% damage from it

[nocturne dust]

thammer zealot can only one-shot true bosses with a very specific build

[summer prairie]

bosses should take at least 8+ hits even for thunderhammer

[nocturne dust]

and even then, I think they still need stims

[tacit stump]

thrust stealth headshot?

[nocturne dust]

on a crit with stims

[steep kindle]

depends on the boss, I think beast of nurg can be one shot, even without stims

the others def do require stim though

[nocturne dust]

I'm not aware as to the exact requirements

regardless, it's still a very finicky build and sacrifices a lot just to do it

[steep kindle]

for sure

[fiery stratus]

ds4 just needs tweaked down a bit to knifeish level then it'll be normally op and not insane

[spice veldt]

yeah and that might be fine w/ current hp values, just that stuff like thrust exists for boosting that up a lot

it's just that I feel like crushers should be a threat with a lifespan greater than 5 seconds against even anti-armor melees

[nocturne dust]

It has less horde clear and less mobility so it doing more damage makes sense

[steep kindle]

with voidstrike, even while needing some setup, it's still very multifacited

[fiery stratus]

it still has high mobility for what it is, and has a lot of reach and can stagger nearly anything

theres almost nothing it does bad, it even clears decent enough

[tacit stump]

i mean like th and some ogryn weapons should deal easily with crushers

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the game has a consistent issue with the troughs and peaks of player power. I doubt anything is going to get solved any time soon.

[spice veldt]

i think they should deal with crusher easily relative to other options but not totally trivialize them

[spice veldt]

well yeah, i'm speaking in terms of ideals right now

nerfs don't seem to be on the horizon at all so all of this is a complete and total crack pipe dream

[fiery stratus]

need a lot more playtesters, and they need to do a sweeping balancing patch on the weapons and enemies

[tacit stump]

if you would shange that you shouldn't have 5-10 crusher stacks

[spice veldt]

ye, as i've qualified here

[tacit stump]

patrols in vermintide 2 had 2-3 chaoswarriors at most

[nocturne dust]

Just play havoc, isn't that the difficulty you want? Where you die to the air breathing? Fatshark made it just for you

[fiery stratus]

depends on diff

[spice veldt]

yeah, it is the difficulty that i like

[fiery stratus]

and what you're doing

[spice veldt]

but i want the proportions of the difficulty to be better

[tacit stump]

i played mostly on champion/legendary there

[spice veldt]

i don't want things to be difficult for the sheer sake of being difficult

the balance and proportions of things should also be relatively good

[fiery stratus]

you get full patrols in cata and shit

[summer prairie]

Havoc is still fun but I want havoc but without all the toughness, hp, ammo and quell speed penalties

[tacit stump]

like how manny jn cata?

[nocturne dust]

[fiery stratus]

like the size of a blackrat patrol

[spice veldt]

havoc is nice if only because ranged enemies are much more of a threat, and that's the main appeal to me

[tacit stump]

blackrat patrol is like 10-15 elites

[fiery stratus]

yes

i think they range

but yeh

[nocturne dust]

No, I think that just makes havoc unbalanced in the wrong direction, but you do you

[spice veldt]

how so?

[nocturne dust]

Ranged enemies are ridiculous while melee enemies are a cakewalk

[spice veldt]

my rationale for ranged enemies being a threat = more fun is that anti-shooter builds are valued much more

instead of generalist builds being able to steamroll the difficulty

[summer prairie]

well melee enemies attack 2x faster and do 1.5x more damage at high ranks

[nocturne dust]

Anti-shooter builds are always valuable tho

[spice veldt]

not really? you don't really need to spec into anti-shooter that hard

when i mean anti-shooter stuff, I mean purely dedicated stuff like infantry vet

[nocturne dust]

Generalist builds often are anti-shooter, that's what makes them generalist

[tacit stump]

and chaos patrols had maulers in it aswell and maybe zerk but i am not sure

[summer prairie]

and they do 30% more corruption damage

[spice veldt]

generalist builds are anti-shooter, but anti-shooter builds are not generalist

that is my point

[nocturne dust]

That doesn't sound like fun tho

[main wyvern]

hello chat i love you all

[fiery stratus]

You'll get dedicated cw patrols later on. And if you do deeds that add a modifer, it'll switch all ambient enemies to elites, with even more patrols of cw, but thats with modifiers

[spice veldt]

it's fun to me because my premade has to actually coordinate and be careful of positioning

it's not like we can be willy nilly into open spaces and whatnot

[tacit stump]

sounds like havoc

[spice veldt]

and dedicated support stuff (chorus/bubble/smoke grenades) have their value amplified

[tacit stump]

or extra missions

[spice veldt]

of course, i do think there is an "upper limit" to how damaging ranged enemies should be

[fiery stratus]

Havoc is actually weaves but a little different

[spice veldt]

otherwise, you just get oneshot

[fiery stratus]

Deeds you get as drops from chests, they're optional modifiers to games

[nocturne dust]

That doesn't sound any different, and doesn't sound like it resulted from shooters being such a threat and more just the fact difficulty is increased

[spice veldt]

how does it not sound different if the value of certain builds is much higher than in the damnation meta?

[tacit stump]

but they gave extra good chests

[spice veldt]

like, you keep on making statements but do not clarify them, so I don't know how to interpret them or respond to them

[nocturne dust]

Because when difficulty increases you're going to have more coordination as a requirement to succeed.

[spice veldt]

yeah

i'm just pointing out a specific part of the difficulty increase (ranged enemies) and its consequences

[fiery stratus]

Yeah you can get guaranteed Emperor Vaults from doing Deeds

Good chances for reds

[spice veldt]

i legitimately do not know where the discrepancy between you and me lies

[summer prairie]

the deed system wasn't very good unless you used the bug to make them repeatable

[fiery stratus]

Trie

True

The bug they left in on purpose lol

[tacit stump]

runs chaoswastes instead

[fiery stratus]

eh

[nocturne dust]

Neither do I

🤷‍♂️

[fiery stratus]

You can do like a legend Chaos Waste for an Emperor Vault, but if you have the right deed you can do one mission and get three

And if you use a bug, it doesn't actually deplete the deed, so you can do it over and over

[patent jacinth]

Chaos wastes is two

And more fun

Sooooooo

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[tacit stump]

chaos waste if you completet was 2 guaranteed and third was depending on how much you took on etc

[fiery stratus]

Its a fact that it takes 3x longer than a deed for less reward

[spice veldt]

well alright then, convo over i suppose

[vapid sparrow]

Is the knife worth using?

[tacit stump]

i prefer chaoswaste cause it is a fun rougelike mode

[patent jacinth]

Yeah but the good deeds have 3 modifiers that range from bad to worse and chaos wastes is just

[fiery stratus]

Not saying its bad, I like CW. Just saying if you want to farm Emps quicker deeds are the way

[patent jacinth]

Silly fun times with broken bullshit builds

[tacit stump]

i had one time over 60 skellies

[fiery stratus]

I think the deeds are fun on legend, not insanely difficult but still pretty hard

[summer prairie]

regular CW got boring when they nerfed all the broken combos, peregrinaje on the other hand is good

[fiery stratus]

If you play Ambient Elites, and Double HP for them, its pretty fun lol

[tacit stump]

shade stealth attack or sienna burn build

[summer prairie]

seek&destroy and send in the next wave + something is the best combo

[fiery stratus]

Vanguard Harder Better Faster Stronger

Also slap sudden death in there

[umbral steppe]

Got a question for Venting Shriek.

Would yall say Creeping Flames or Warp Rapture better?

[spice flame]

Creeping all the way

[umbral steppe]

Really? Huh.

[spice flame]

at 85+ peril, you can creep an entire horde and they die

[fading lodge]

ask and you shall receive

[umbral steppe]

I see.

[spice flame]

Perfect ❤️‍🔥

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-steal-take-grab-mine-gif-13196166

[dense valley]

man this havoc thing is so ass just won a havoc 20 game with 3 man the xbox orgryn got downed then quit from the start

[umbral steppe]

Had a feeling Soulblaze was useful.

[quartz barn]

Your name lmao

[tacit stump]

...

[unique mist]

If I'm running Warp Splitting (Cleave from Peril) on a Scriers Gaze build with the Force Greatsword, do you think running Wrath is still worth it? I've also got Unstable Power which should help with Cleave as well. Should I replace it with something else?

[dense valley]

we cant be without each other

[twilit lagoon]

Can someone please explain what the Warp Slice blessing actually does?

[tacit stump]

that feels like old 9gag meme format like 10 years old

[unique mist]

your special warp projectile always crits on a cooldown. it's not that good from what i hear

[fading lodge]

makes the special attack a guaranteed crit

doesnt auto proc it or anything

[twilit lagoon]

also, does the empowering on kill mechanic only affect special attack or also just default swings too?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

[umbral steppe]

Man; This Voidblast staff is Hella fun.

[spice flame]

Our Meme

[tacit stump]

conflag

[fading lodge]

probably but i just love that one in particular for no apparent reason. no apparent reason at all.

[quartz barn]

Your crit is already extremely high, 67.5% afaik, so it being guaranteed isnt needed

[vapid sparrow]

the peril buildup is craaazy

[quartz barn]

You also lose out on a neutral attack perk

[twilit lagoon]

Does the blade's innate Empower on kill also affect normal attacks or only the special attack?

[unique mist]

from what i could see, only special attack

[twilit lagoon]

sadness

[unique mist]

but i am no science guy

[twilit lagoon]

would be really nice if it had some non-special attack stuff going for it

[compact cargo]

PEREGRINAJE MENTIONED

[twilit lagoon]

aside from being a nice horde clearer

[compact cargo]

Respect earned

[unique mist]

mark 6 is excellent at killing specials/elites

i can 2 shot crushers

with a scriers gaze build

[quartz barn]

I mean it has plenty of blessings for regular attacks

Run it on gunker and it wipes everything in sight

[unique mist]

that's what i'm running it with

[quartz barn]

And yes mk6 2 taps crushers etc

[unique mist]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da46cff-2e44-4750-99ea-8d593c148409/moonlight-gunker

[twilit lagoon]

so current thought is MK 6 > than MK 8?

[quartz barn]

Run the power on high peril blessing for even more big dmg

[umbral steppe]

Here's my planned build once I hit LvL 30.

[quartz barn]

Yes because of its heavy attack pattern

[umbral steppe]

Well; I may change a few things.

[quartz barn]

The stab is very strong

[spice flame]

Indeed

[unique mist]

right now i'm asking if Wrath is worth it to run if i'm also running the Warp Splitting talent

[spice flame]

and overall it's the more practicall mark

[quartz barn]

And ngl this is the first weapon where i see low warp resist being mandatory

[spice flame]

the buildup is a bit high yeah

[quartz barn]

Doesnt matter

Mine is at 4×80 with wr at 45 lol

[twilit lagoon]

omg, I just won the stat distribution lottery

[tacit stump]

so a all 80 and 10 warp res would be good

[twilit lagoon]

max of 60% warp resist

[quartz barn]

And the special gives 45 peril

[twilit lagoon]

everything else 80

[tacit stump]

do it twice

hmm maybe down to 40 or 35 would good for generating up to 49 per swing

[potent echo]

I'm not using the special till I get at least 1 charge though

[twilit lagoon]

So what blessings are the go-to? Crit chance on dodge?

[unique mist]

what i'm running is unstable power with wrath

you want something to help its cleave

i'm kind of double-upping though

[twilit lagoon]

so Wrath + Riposte maybe?

[unique mist]

especially because i'm running the Warp Splitting talent on top of it

wasting a lot of cleave IMO

[spice flame]

wrath riposte is solid

[echo root]

I highly prefer MK6 since it can deal with crushers / maulers

MK8 felt off with the heavies

[twilit lagoon]

so the TL;DR is basically max out Critical, Cleave and high peril buffs?

[echo root]

I was running Riposte + Unstable Power.

Any combination of Riposte / Unstable Power / Momentum / Shred should be fine.
Aim for 60% mobility and 80% everything else.

[summer prairie]

penetration of the soul isn't fixed it looks like

[true rover]

essentially, that being said still got max kills on auric maelstrom running the warp splitting (pretty much only used greatsword), guaranteed crit is nice

[echo root]

Are you talking about this blessing?

It sucks

[true rover]

you say it sucks I say it carried in auric maelstrom

[echo root]

It only applies to the first hit

If you use the speical it only crits on the first hit of the wave

[summer prairie]

surely not

[compact cargo]

It ain't

[true rover]

tested in the range and everything that got hit was a crit

[compact cargo]

And if it's fixed

[echo root]

I tried it with Blazing Spirit and it doesn't light anything except the first target on fire

[runic kiln]

hey lads and ladettes, any fun or interesting setups with the new sword that arent immediately apparent?

[compact cargo]

It's not noticeable somehow

[compact cargo]

Scrier

[summer prairie]

the wave doesn't proc blazing spirit, it's just your weapon swing proccing it

[true rover]

It doesn't proc the fire but it does do the crit damage

[echo root]

Blazing Spirit being a trash blessing as always, no redemption.

[plucky flax]

Don't need wrath if you horde clear with assails

[echo root]

Either way, I found the guaranteed crit every 20 seconds to be a waste considering the uptime.

[true rover]

to each there own, I've found its the difference between 10 kills and 20 kills (given damage drop off, specials in group etc)

with or without the sword is a beast

[echo root]

I honeslty didn't feel the speical that much

We did 2 man havoc and I didn't feel like it did all that much damage even at 2/2

[runic kiln]

who could have guessed that scriers would be good with a setup that wants to kill things

[echo root]

I guess having purgatus as my staff did the hordeclear of the greatsword a disservice

[compact cargo]

Hmmm true
Wait I haven't tested, do kills with warp dot count for sword if it's out?

Maybe we could go for a blaze build on it, if so

[summer prairie]

Would it shock to learn that it's actually once every 15 seconds and localization is just somehow pulling wrong duration data?

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313782576892088351/Desktop_2024.12.04_-_08.22.17.07.mp4?ex=675162df&is=6750115f&hm=7cb3aae181049acfd5c4e2755bce2be480d469cdf866a3faf9934a6718542a69&

[runic kiln]

i was interested in the same thing

[compact cargo]

Nice, but may I interest you in the KILL COUNTER MOD?

[plucky flax]

No idc scoreboard

[compact cargo]

So when u do that u see a massive 53 across ur entire screen shaking in bright red

[plucky flax]

It's more important to win

[compact cargo]

[true rover]

running purg and greatsword is a bit overkill for horde clearing so I'd agree with you there, the greatsword is more noticeable when its your only option

[upper sun]

nooooo he has every mod already

[echo root]

I just wanted to play with the new shiny weapon.

MK6 is my favorite out of the two by a pretty huge margin.

[plucky flax]

What mods do u use?

yes

[true rover]

That's the one with the cleave attack pattern and slightly less heavy damage right?

[echo root]

It's the one where the heavy attacks are stabs / overhead

and the light attacks cleave

[true rover]

very enjoyable that one

[echo root]

I didn't like the other one too much

[true rover]

I found the other one is better for horde clearing, if you've got that covered with purg having the mk6 is easily the better option

got that better range than deimos

[echo root]

#psyker-class message

It was already decided what the dump stat would be 30 seconds into the patch

[echo root]

I managed to hit like 7 barrels in a row at the start of the game due to the weapon being so karking long. I killed a fellow psyker gamer.

[marble crater]

[true rover]

learning the distance is a curve

[summer prairie]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/force-greatsword-warp-slice-blessing-description-shows-incorrect-cooldown-durations-for-every-tier/102459

[echo root]

It's so long that I won't be anywhere near the barrels either way

So not my issue

[marble crater]

[true rover]

[tacit stump]

uses overheads and stabs near the barrels

[true rover]

finally I can live my psyker zealot dreams, a psylot if you will

extra range makes ragers easy

[left dagger]

does this mean it doesnt spread when they're from other psyker's soul blaze?

[pine hearth]

only yours

not sure if they can stack from 2 ppl

[left dagger]

trying to see if i want to remove this node for -5% peril generation on gunker

[pine hearth]

actually

[true rover]

if you're running any soulblaze it'll always be better than -5% peril

[nocturne dust]

not a chance

unless you have no source of soulblaze, wildfire will be better than a 5% peril node

[twilit lagoon]

imo they should change the Warp Slice blessing to just launch a free special attack on critical hits with the cooldown

[true rover]

that would be way too overpowered

[twilit lagoon]

1 free special attack every 20 seconds if you land a crit....

[nocturne dust]

not really. 20 second cooldown for a free slice?

[summer prairie]

every 15 seconds though

[true rover]

I already think they're going to nerf the slice

[nocturne dust]

slice isn't that good

[potent echo]

Just make it generate charges faster on headshot kills or smth

[summer prairie]

it's only good at close range, like preferably <10 meters even with max charge

the essence decay is the main problem imo

[true rover]

a slice can kill a horde of 10 in a single hit

[potent echo]

They won't nerf slice it's the only thing that's keeping it relevant

[summer prairie]

it has infinite cleave, so it can kill infinite shotgunners or something if they are close enough

[potent echo]

Yea that's the great part

[nocturne dust]

which isn't practical

[twilit lagoon]

if you're running at a group of shotgunners with a sword in your hand, then you're going to die

[true rover]

I got 30% more kills than everyone else on an auric maelstrom only using sword using the special every 20 secs

I love it

but will fatshark

[nocturne dust]

Bro doesn't know how the game works 💀

[patent jacinth]

False but ok

There this cool thing called sliding or side dodging

[twilit lagoon]

a group of 10 was the hypothetical

[spice flame]

aye aye aye

[summer prairie]

to be fair if you are running into infinite shotgunners, you are probably going to die

[potent echo]

Also shotgunners no longer pushback

[quartz barn]

Fgs basically cannot be balanced, which is great for us

[patent jacinth]

It lets you close distance while dodging ranged attacks

[potent echo]

Also the map does exist

[fiery stratus]

I just joined the new mission on quickplay and the entire team was dead. I was 3/4 corrupted and was getting chased by chaos spawn and a pack of ragers, everyone left... I killed them all and got new randoms and we completed.

[nocturne dust]

and? Small beans on auric

[potent echo]

Sometimes you round a corner or you stand at the spawn door

[main wyvern]

guys how do i unlock level 2?

[quartz barn]

Most of its dmg comes from peril, and we have so many perks that tune into that that its always going to be strong

[potent echo]

Get more mastery

Sacrifice weapons

[main wyvern]

my mastery is 15. that's not enough for 2?

[quartz barn]

Unlock more T1 blessings

[summer prairie]

you can't just put them into one blessing

[twilit lagoon]

you need to unlock other blessings sadly

[patent jacinth]

Buy other stuff

[twilit lagoon]

can't dump into 1

[main wyvern]

rip

[patent jacinth]

Fill the circle on the left

[fiery stratus]

If you slide gunners will shoot right over your head, melee is pretty viable for basically everything.

[main wyvern]

o i c the circle on the left

[quartz barn]

Regular gun goons are more dangerous than elite gunners now

Also moving elite gunners are actually easier to fight, since they shoot at a certain point anyway

[potent echo]

Did they nerf elite gunner damage

[plucky flax]

Youtube video taking 10 years to process

[potent echo]

Or am I that good

[quartz barn]

Nah they still beam

[spice veldt]

not just shooting over your head---straight up i-frames while sliding

[potent echo]

Feel like I can just rush them and beat them up

[quartz barn]

But with them moving its less likely that they beam you

Because if they stand still and manage to hit you youre just fucked

[potent echo]

They less accurate while moving?

[nocturne dust]

they removed stun

[fiery stratus]

bring back stun

[rigid sky]

I feel like they made gunners strafe just to fuck over voidstrike or something

[nocturne dust]

no

[fiery stratus]

bring back shotgunner stunlock

[nocturne dust]

[potent echo]

Yea it's just easier to just rush gunner clumps

[spice flame]

ikr

[nocturne dust]

no

[fiery stratus]

yes

[rigid sky]

I always loved that I could just chuck a bowling ball at where the lasers are coming from and immediately look away because I know they're dead

[fiery stratus]

ive never had problems with gunners tbh

[spice veldt]

shotgunner health hitstun should still be there

[quartz barn]

I mean they shoot in a straight line

[rigid sky]

but now they can press A and D and that's not fair

[fiery stratus]

i honestly cant remember the last time i got stunlocked by a gunner

[quartz barn]

That combined with the stun meant that if you got hit youd stay in their line of fire

[potent echo]

The game I played before patch

[nocturne dust]

That's how they sneak up on ya

[quartz barn]

Now you can both run through, and since they move theres less time where youll be in the line of fire

[fiery stratus]

gotta abuse that slide, and shoot the ones that are a problem

[potent echo]

I should just play more selfishly though

[nocturne dust]

One moment you think you're fine

[potent echo]

It's always teammates who make me go to bad places

[plucky flax]

Me every time I hold block but I don't have deflector

[fiery stratus]

i normally try to get rid of them long before they become an issue

[nocturne dust]

Then bam AI director teleports a gunner behind you when you're on low toughness

[quartz barn]

I usually get caught out of position

But i always play hit and run

[potent echo]

Hit and run is fine as long as the run part is solid

Aggroing the next room and spawning bosses might be uh

[plucky flax]

Zealot when they rush ahead in havoc but the shooters actually kill

[quartz barn]

Its scuffed when theres no enemies between the hit run hit part

Because enemy gunners get time to do their mini charge animation before they do anything

But ngl ill experiment with deflector gs later

[potent echo]

Also the increase aggro range is so toxic

[quartz barn]

Idk if shred has that much impact

[plucky flax]

I run shred deflector for havoc

[potent echo]

I was playing scab melee mael and it just pulls entire crusher and mauler battalions from different elevations and rooms

[summer prairie]

sounds good for trauma

[potent echo]

Trauma stays winning

[nocturne dust]

throw a warp slice through the building for the fun

[potent echo]

Until the day they nerf it's infinite stagger cleave

[nocturne dust]

[potent echo]

Crushers don't care 💀

[worthy goblet]

What MK are people preferring with the GS? I think I'm more for the cleaving lights one (Mk8). The overheads of the Mk6 don't feel like they hit particularly hard for their ease of access and the mk8s combos to reach the overhead and stab seem easy enough?

Also it seems like a decent ISH weapon for boss damage? It's no duelling sword but, decent nonetheless?

[nocturne dust]

Well first of all

there's the mk6 and mk8

[worthy goblet]

Damn. 1 off :(

I'll edit Ty for catching that

[nocturne dust]

Second, it's a fine weapon.

The ranged slice is a little.... but the weapon works.

[worthy goblet]

A little weird? XD

[nocturne dust]

They're good allrounders with a lot of range in attacks.

[worthy goblet]

Yeah true one thing I did notice is I could super safely fight ragers

[nocturne dust]

The mk6 is better at elites, while the mk8 is better at hordes. I prefer the mk6, it deals with hordes anyway.

[worthy goblet]

I'll give it another shot. I think I was running precog and my finesse wasn't maxed so, I clearly wasn't maximising my damage on it

I may have just underestimated it a bit too much xD

[nocturne dust]

I'm surprised you think the mk6 doesn't hit hard with its heavies when it can two-shot basically any non-ogryn

and that's without relevant buffs or blessings

[worthy goblet]

Dunno I think I'm just biased by the DS which two shots everything.

[nocturne dust]

dueling sword is very OP, yes

Hard to have anything compare to it

[worthy goblet]

Yea...

I'll give the Mk6 another go! If It can bring consistent anti ogryn and decent boss damage I think itll be perfect for me. It's coolness factor makes it better than the DS for me atleast lol.

[quartz barn]

Mk6 onehits all but crusher/bulwark

Stab might onetap but not sure

[worthy goblet]

Any suggestions on the perks? I did precog and.. unstable power? (20% damage based on peril) But that may be overkill and I don't feel like I proc precog as easily as I do on DS or my zealot

[quartz barn]

I run unstable shred

[worthy goblet]

And keeping at high peril without scryers on the sword is .. odd

[nocturne dust]

that's with buffs of some sort tho

[quartz barn]

True

But ngl i dont have scriers up at all times

Mostly use it for hordes

[nocturne dust]

I use carapace, unyielding for perks and wrath/deflector for blessings (but that's havoc specific, I'd probably go shred/riposte in auric)

[dire smelt]

Deflector is a massive qol on that weapon

[quartz barn]

Push through, gain charge, turn to new horde / around to whatever you miss, oneshot everything with special

[dire smelt]

Even on maelstrom where you get mostly ranged modifiers

Unless you wanna play dome shield instead of SG

[worthy goblet]

Yeah on my 5 runs I really missed deflector

[vapid sparrow]

What do the knives do??? Like, I know they fly and hit things, but.. That doesn't really provide much i can just shoot them for the same effect

[worthy goblet]

Knives, like, assail?

[vapid sparrow]

Id rather debuff them with zap

[vapid sparrow]

yea

[quartz barn]

Big horde clear

[worthy goblet]

They mulch hordes and turn special groups into mush

[vapid sparrow]

Whuh

[worthy goblet]

Non armoured special groups*

[vapid sparrow]

Am I doing something wrong mine just hit one guy then disappear

[quartz barn]

Usually used in combination with a single target setup like voidstrike

[worthy goblet]

^

[nocturne dust]

Assail is decent horde clear. Useful for anything that isn't carapace-headed (crushers and maulers) really.

But not better than, say, a staff

Its main use in a voidstrike setup is to get rid of scattered enemies. It doesn't do thick hordes or anything, for that you want to kite enemies into a line/down a hallway so you can blast them with voidstrike

[vapid sparrow]

They tend to do hitmarkers too.. not even kills!!

[lean mural]

i run assail with voidstrike and wall shield

the shield is my frontline when the team isn't available, the voidstrike is a big go-fuck-thyself to anything in front of me weaker than carapace and slower than dogs, assail is for single and/or fast problems

[nocturne dust]

Assail shards disappear if they hit carapace

[vapid sparrow]

eek

[potent echo]

You need to aim them

They are cursor tracking missiles

[worthy goblet]

It has it's niches though. It's my go to build for hunting grounds.

That plus wall shield and the dogs become a non factor. It's nice since they rarely line up for a voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

Which means anywhere on a crusher, or mauler heads, or scab rager chests, or weird reaper armor bit

[potent echo]

You cant just throw and swap

[lean mural]

yeah definitely also use RMB charge unless dogs/horde you can't be arsed voidstriking

[potent echo]

Once you swap assail loses all tracking

Unless RMB

[nocturne dust]

But those are the best times to voidstrike 😭

[vapid sparrow]

Seems pretty niche

[nocturne dust]

Me when the dogs are all running at me down a hallway:

[lean mural]

assail gets me more consistent domination of the kill feed when dogs show up than voidstrike does, idk

[nocturne dust]

It's incredibly useful and the best special/elite killer of the blitzes

BB is trash

[worthy goblet]

Same. Void strike wins when they're charging down a corridor but, anything with some width and my void struggles

[vapid sparrow]

hrm

[worthy goblet]

Also yeah BB needs like an entire build to be half usable.

[nocturne dust]

Just gotta embrace the power of the balls (and positioning)

[lean mural]

BB's not traaash. it needs a bit of a charge speed buff but with kinetic flayer if you're going left-side it's not entirely a tax.

[nocturne dust]

It's trash

[vapid sparrow]

Psyker seems a lot more iffy than the other classes I must say

[plucky flax]

Big sword bubble havocing
https://youtu.be/658qzUctOto

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[lean mural]

it's definitely the least usable, but i mean. head pop funi.

[nocturne dust]

It is funny.

And thematically it is my favorite.

But it's trash.

😔

[lean mural]

it also doesn't get me hated on like smite does

[worthy goblet]

It reminds me of my dark heresy character and that makes me happy

Wait people still hate on psykers for taking smite?

[lean mural]

lil bit

zealots mostly i think. zealots lowkey rely on things actually attacking them to keep many buffs up

[silver mantle]

Think it depends on how you use it thats the problem

Ie stunning every trash horde.... and not stunning lile rager packs

[rigid sky]

Brain Rupture is amazing still imo

[worthy goblet]

I mean I get the zealot part. Alot of dodge bonuses from them and I think a damage bonus when they take toughness damage.

[vapid sparrow]

I stun everything because i want to be a wizard

I dont quite enjoy it

it doesn't kill anything but it looks cool

[rigid sky]

If you have inferno or voidblast staves, it's a perfect complement for shit your weapons don't handle as well

[nocturne dust]

O wait, do you have cutout of that visor? I can put it under the bubble later so it matches color and stuff

[rigid sky]

It does if you run EP with it :D

[worthy goblet]

Take the shriek smite build. Stun everything. Then kill everything.

[silver mantle]

But being a wizard makes the crackhead not do as much damage or regain less toughness

[lean mural]

i also definitely understand the criticism that smite kind of turns the game off for a lil bit

[vapid sparrow]

what's that

[worthy goblet]

Empowered psionics

[rigid sky]

Middle keystone

Makes all your blitzes spicier

[vapid sparrow]

Hrm

[rigid sky]

And saves a bunch of points compared with the other keystones

[vapid sparrow]

Id have to level psyker for that which sounds like it'd suck

[rigid sky]

I like it on brain rupture and on smite, feel like DD boosts Assail about as much but has all the other benefits

[lean mural]

psyker actually makes you git gud, is the thing. and i say this being not quite as gud with it as i'd like to be

[rigid sky]

But my Voidblast build runs EP rupture, and my Electro build runs EP smite

[quartz barn]

Plus you get to flex big dmg

[echo root]

Leveling psyker is pretty chill, just go into assail asap

[rigid sky]

And keep Shriek imo

[vapid sparrow]

I fear i do more damage to myself than my enemies with assail and anything pretty much

[echo root]

I mean you're leveling psyker. You're not getting any other options for a while.

[rigid sky]

Take Shriek so you don't explode yourself to begin with

[lean mural]

one thing i noticed playing with friends coming from vt2 is that they started exploding a fuckton after switching off of shriek

because they're so used to being able to panic-vent

[vapid sparrow]

Cooldown :(

[lean mural]

so like. learn how not to need that.

[echo root]

Next change

(unsure if they fixed Warp Splitting, probably not)

[rigid sky]

You really want to grab Quietitude and probably Soulstealer from the start of the tree too

Psyker lives and dies by its toughness bar

[echo root]

Yes, but when leveling you want these talents asap

[rigid sky]

True

[echo root]

After that you can go quietude and warp kill one

[rigid sky]

Well idk

Maybe you can take an alt path

Mettle and perfect timing are more luxury picks imo

Since the mettle nerf

It's just they're the only good way to Assail I gues

Since Battle Meditation is often actively detrimental

And warp expenditure is Quietitude ÷ 2

Assail is balanced by being surrounded with shit nodes lol

[echo root]

This is my baseline for every staff except Purgatus. (I always take wildfire + In Fire Reborn and never take ER on Purg)

[fiery stratus]

bruh look at this, i got shot by a sniper in the new mission during the fucking cutscene

[sinful peak]

does the greatsword pair well with any staff?

[echo root]

Probably best with electro

[radiant frigate]

greatsword pairs well with itself and assail

[rigid sky]

I was thinking it would basically work in any situation where Illisi would be good

[quartz barn]

I thought greatsword was a ranged weapon?

[rigid sky]

But with a bit more versatility?

[quartz barn]

No staff needed

Or gun i guess

[rigid sky]

I haven't had the chance to try yet though

[echo root]

The damage on uncharged special is pitiful

[lean mural]

you're funny. i like you. you can come over my house and fuck my sister.

[quartz barn]

500k+ melee dmg, 300k+ ranged dmg every run

[radiant lance]

I 100% disagree tbh. If you're using a short range staff it gives you range. And access to Psykinetic Aura. Plus if for some reason you're not using DS or some other weapon that's good against Carapace, it also makes up for that somewhat.

[lean mural]

i haven't tried this yet but i was thinking voidblast tbh. things get cut up good when they're knocked over

[rigid sky]

Also precooked ruptures are amazing at stopping specials

[radiant lance]

I would say it probably pairs well with just about anything because it's a very versatile weapon.

[radiant lance]

I honestly don't even use precooked, I should try to do that more.

[rigid sky]

And tagging dogs as they retreat and regroup

[shut jewel]

Assail pairs well with almost anything, frankly, it's just that good, clears chaff like mad.

[rigid sky]

If I hear a trapper and I have nothing better to do, I'm cooking

[radiant lance]

This is great though, yeah. And getting snipers. And making bulwarks drop their shield for a bit.

[rigid sky]

Also brain rupture is a great way to up your peril quickly

And it is often your highest boss dps depending on your build

[radiant lance]

It's just the swiss army knife of Psyker Blitzes.

[pliant coral]

what blessings should i put on my revolver?

[echo root]

surgical handcannon

[pliant coral]

(zarona, not aggripina)

[echo root]

Zarona bis, Aggripina cringe

[pliant coral]

is surgical that good? :o

[rigid sky]

And then EP brain rupture is basically a revolver.

[echo root]

Yes, especially with handcannon

[pliant coral]

ok ty

[upper sun]

ammo crates are 2 charges with zero indicators

i hope the dev that decided that spills coffee on his computer

[fading lodge]

yeah i do

[radiant lance]

Why did I see people yesterday say the FGS is bad?
It feels very good to me.

[echo root]

It's good, but every melee is bad if you compare it to DS4.

[radiant lance]

Yes, that's the problem imo.

If we take DS4 out of the picture it's definitely a top tier weapon.

[echo root]

Giving Zel/Vet DS4 was a huge mistake.

[midnight jolt]

I wouldn't use it on neither, Zealot greatsword is just broken, I keep clutching matches with it

And Vet power sword is very unique

[echo root]

Fun isn't a factor in my statement

DS4 is insanely broken on both Zel and Vet due to their talents.

[pine hearth]

fsg on zealot would be fun af

fgs*

[midnight jolt]

I feel like for Zealot the new GS is even more broken, using the same build you have on the Zealot channel for Crusher

[strange wyvern]

just a little bit

[vital hemlock]

is smite psyker good?

[pine hearth]

can do everything

just everybody hates you

[elder glade]

You just committed a cardinal sin by mentioning it

[fiery stratus]

Zealots Greatsword isnt that broken, its good but not insane

[vital hemlock]

so what are my other options?

that is not heresy

[elder glade]

Literally everything else

[pine hearth]

you can run smite

just dont be a spammer

[elder glade]

Yea

[fiery stratus]

@vital hemlock A lot of people fall into a trap of just doing Smite and relying on their teammates for everything. It is a team game, don't get me wrong, but generally speaking killing stuff is better.

[pine hearth]

soon as I see a psyker spaming smite on litterly everyting I jsut leave the match

[vital hemlock]

is smite not killing stuff?

[fiery stratus]

Smite can be used but its mostly for reviving, doing objectives, sticky situations. Not for holding every individual group

Smite will kill things very, very slowly.

[vital hemlock]

oh

[fiery stratus]

Its mostly for stunning things while the team cleans it up.

[vital hemlock]

flammenwerfer it is then

[pine hearth]

also the knockdown is nice

when I run it I just use it to knock down a mixed horde all the elites will be standing and the poxwalkers etc are on there ass

[vital hemlock]

so the "flamethrower" build is better?

[fiery stratus]

smite isn't in the same catagory is that

[vital hemlock]

oh

[fiery stratus]

The inferno staff is an actual weapon, smite is just a tool for situational use.

[lean mural]

i got too tired and tilted last night to make good use of it but my plan with greatsword smite is cleave the fuck out of chaff, charge-smite packs of ragers/ogryns and then cut them up

[humble bolt]

The best soccer build is melee

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie I'll have lunch now then I'm available to play

[vital hemlock]

so basicly what are my options for talents?

the sniping thing, smite and the head shatter thingy?

[summer prairie]

Got the appointment soon, maybe ready in 45 minutes or so

[pine hearth]

there all good

[fiery stratus]

Someone give this fella the meta build

[plucky flax]

Okay I'll do a warm up auric mael

[fiery stratus]

I dont use staves enough to help with the build sorry.

[vital hemlock]

sorry I am very new to darktide, coming from v2

[plucky flax]

Auric maelstrom but the shooters are not scary

[fiery stratus]

All good, someone here will help.

Should

[jovial juniper]

It takes some time to kill stuff
If you want to speed up the time to kill you'll have to run a dedicated build
Be it Shriek Smite or Scrier's Smite

[fiery stratus]

Gonna go purg I guess

[jovial juniper]

But you'll notice that dedicated smite builds are boring

[plucky flax]

You should watch UnsanctionedPsyker goated top 1%.

[vital hemlock]

i will

[plucky flax]

[fiery stratus]

GS dumpstat defences?

or warp res

[plucky flax]

Warp res

[pine hearth]

warp

[elder glade]

Warp res

[fiery stratus]

smh

figures

[pine hearth]

switched to the 8, I like it more

the push attack stab is fantastic

[fiery stratus]

haven't tested yet

only been using relic swords so far

[vital hemlock]

can't find them

which platform are they on?

[pine hearth]

relics are pretty good, but I think fgs is a bit better

[plucky flax]

This build is good and easy to play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bIwoaV-Dnc

[vital hemlock]

ty

[plucky flax]

Are you even 30 yet tho?

[vital hemlock]

i am 5 😄

[plucky flax]

A lot of things open up once you're 30 and with masteries.

Okay so levelling just go assails.

And throw some rocks.

These are like end game contents builds.

[fiery stratus]

Yeah the game basically starts at 30, you need the points for the builds to do the best

"end game" you can level one character in like 15-20 hours of casual play

[pine hearth]

so many mods in that video, do most ppl use that much crap?

looks like an asian mobile game

[vital hemlock]

i like to have a goal tbh, and something to keep to

[real glen]

to be honest mods are a personal thing

I play game without mods

and nobody gives me shit about it, so

[fiery stratus]

Just follow that guide, build it as you level up

The weapons you cant get their full potential until level 20 mastery as well

[real glen]

(the only shit people will complain about is, well, if you play too badly)

(and even then it is not a guarantee they will actually voice the compaints)

[acoustic isle]

Only recently found out there are folks that complained about smite lmao

Been using it ever since the talent update

[pine hearth]

only complain is you spam it

if you*

[fiery stratus]

Only most of the community

[real glen]

but yea back to mods, nobody complains about you not having a mod.

Ever.

[onyx sentinel]

is Havoc non-host levelling period synced with everyone? how does the 1 week delay work?

[sour nest]

That's just not true. There's a bunch of people in this server that are elitist about mod usage

They will try to give you shit for not using mods and they should be publicly ridiculed for it.

[onyx sentinel]

you hit breakpoints easier with PowerDI.

[fiery stratus]

i've mostly only heard people complain about things that are borderline game breaking, health bars, puzzle viewer type

[pine hearth]

seen a few psykers with an auto clicker or something

[fiery stratus]

fatshark doesn't care about macros

[pine hearth]

shooting electric staff primary at like 500 times a second

[fiery stratus]

they generally don't care about mods as long as its not obviously abusing something in the game

[acoustic isle]

Personally ive only modded things into the UI that feel like they shoulda been there already.

[real glen]

I did not know that until today 🤣

[fiery stratus]

theres a lot of quality of life shit that needs to be added that makes things way easier

chat block

[onyx sentinel]

actually the fact this doesn't sound like a joke is kinda scary

[acoustic isle]

Seeing team health an ammo numbers

[fiery stratus]

mourningstar shop shortcuts

[acoustic isle]

Cuz yeah i can see the yellow on vet

[fiery stratus]

psykhanium i for inventory

all kinds of shit

[onyx sentinel]

have they ever even banned anyone since vermindtide

[acoustic isle]

But that yellow could be a recon lasgun. With 600 shots still

For example

[fiery stratus]

numeric ui should just be a feature

[acoustic isle]

Now

[fiery stratus]

For mods? Idk

[acoustic isle]

If only the meat grinder could spawn bosses innately

And turn on ai behavior

That would be golden

[fiery stratus]

I know there was a mod that was auto completing auspex puzzles and whatnot, i think it got removed from nexus

yeah it should have the ability to test natively in the psykhanium

[acoustic isle]

Yeah there was an auto auspex complete mod that was troublesome

I personally have a morningstar cache mod since i have a shit load of memory

So i can load out of missions faster

[wind spruce]

I took these screenshots awhile ago and it always makes me laugh

[fiery stratus]

Whats good for the greatsword, and can I just use my copy paste scriers melee/gun build?

[wind spruce]

Way too many mods bro @plucky flax

[acoustic isle]

Scriers works i personally have riposte for crit on dodge then cleave on hit 5 times with the mk 6

Then + against carapace and unyielding

[fiery stratus]

i'll have to check out the movesets, havent even tested them yet

[acoustic isle]

Warp siphon and the 6 charges has personally worked real good for me

Been running smite and dome

[wind spruce]

Yes

[acoustic isle]

Basically just pressing F fighting elites in the dome then blasting ranged units with voidstrike

[wind spruce]

Unyielding, cara, wrath and riposte is based setup

[acoustic isle]

The push also knocks over elites super easily

Able to stagger crushers

[fiery stratus]

just using run of the mill scriers dd

assail ofc

[wind spruce]

Yeah it plugs into all my scriers/gunker builds fine

[wind mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1176260248978325525/image.png?ex=67516679&is=675014f9&hm=e867c83d3938f180e6790d568768c2b35433f5d93038d57254ce19cd67d15dfc&

[fiery stratus]

i'll give it a whirl in the psykhanium rq

[radiant ice]

I love the Mk8 so much

[wind spruce]

Moveset for the mk6 will give you a headache for awhile

But it's so good

[radiant ice]

Lights are horizontal horde clear, heavies are chained armour pen overheads. The block push has a carapace negating stab

Both are insanely good though

https://tenor.com/view/brilliant-i-like-this-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-richard-hammond-gif-18951630

The Force Greatsword marks ^

[wind spruce]

I will murder all mk8 users

[acoustic isle]

I love me mk 6 simple as

[radiant ice]

I mean the mk8 can reliably two shot crushers and often one shot them 😛

Yet I've heard the mk6 should be even better for that, so I'm unsure how you're doing so little damage

[acoustic isle]

Cuz the builds two shotting are likely popping things like scriers and critting more consistently

[plucky flax]

Pls no flame

[acoustic isle]

Unless i am just missing something

[fiery stratus]

i feel like i need warp rider for this build but idk what i can shed

[radiant ice]

I suppose you can't build DD stack in Psykanium annoyingly too

Even a handful of them makes the swords shred, SG or no

[acoustic isle]

It's also riposts

[fiery stratus]

the damage potential is lookin pretty stinky

[acoustic isle]

I cant get the extra 20% if there are no attacks

[radiant ice]

Like this was me without activating SG and such on Damnation

With the mk8

[wind spruce]

With th same buffs on screen and no crit the mk8 cannot two shot

[radiant ice]

It can

[acoustic isle]

Also if you light into heavy after a push they're both horizontals

[radiant ice]

It absolutely and easily can

[acoustic isle]

So the mk6 has plenty of horde clear

Hence cleave on hit

[wind spruce]

Go into psykhanium and record it then, I'd love to be wrong

[acoustic isle]

Well again as discussed

[radiant ice]

Okie

[acoustic isle]

There are things required to proc that i dont think you can in psykanium

[radiant ice]

Ahh damn, you know what you're right

[acoustic isle]

Thus you likely cant see the two shot crushers all that easily

[radiant ice]

It's just barely 3 hits with 0 DD stacks

But flat 0 buffs, no talents, 3 hits

[plucky flax]

Deflector big sword

[acoustic isle]

Disrupt destiny is another one that's good for killing

Since all that bonus crit damage and weakspot damage

[wind spruce]

Carapace perk?

[radiant ice]

Nope

[acoustic isle]

Just psykanium doesnt mark enemies to get the stacks

[rustic crystal]

What all do you need to 2-hit crushers with the Mk 8? And isn't that H1>H2>H3?

[radiant ice]

Watch my video above

[wind spruce]

It can with creature spawner

[radiant ice]

Block/push into heavy stab

[rustic crystal]

Oh push I see yeah

Hmm. Just gotta get smoothe at that I guess.

[radiant ice]

With Sciers on it's an easy 1 shot

I mean the push is strong enough to stagger Crushers anyway

[acoustic isle]

I personally gave up some of the damage from disrupt destiny to take warp siphon instead

[radiant ice]

So stagger them out whatever they are doing into the head stab once or twice, depending on SG up or not

[acoustic isle]

Lower cdr on dome is mega useful to me

[radiant ice]

I did that on my wall shield version of the build

[acoustic isle]

I just yell to get in the thunderdome with me

Then stab the shit out of them

[radiant ice]

Mainly due to wave of mutant and hunting ground modifiers for a friends Auric Mael

So wall shield came in clutch

[plucky flax]

No dd on big sword is kind of sus.

I am scared

Chill but they want to gear check.

[fiery stratus]

What should I change on this build to fit warp rider? Or should I leave it as is?

[radiant ice]

Just a casual gear check 🤓

[plucky flax]

Yes you should have warp rider.

[fallow stream]

ahem ahem

attention, soykers

[plucky flax]

Also why no perfect timing with assails?

[fiery stratus]

Blame Bratwurstinator, he gave me this build

[fallow stream]

u all smell

[radiant ice]

Warp Rider is always 10% and scales up to 20%

It's insanely good

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-your-stinky-something-smells-stinky-gif-2108678598210395825

[plucky flax]

No warp rider doesn't increase damage at 0% anymore.

[fallow stream]

me when i only make the right choices
👉

[radiant ice]

Huh I missed that change

Damn

Still though, in SG builds especially it's insane

[plucky flax]

But it's still very good if you play psyker at high peril.

[fallow stream]

and not the... left ones!!!

❗

[fiery stratus]

so what am i getting rid of?

[fallow stream]

@upper sun go away

[fiery stratus]

gotta shed 2

[fallow stream]

i live here now

zealot chat is 2 mean 2 me

[plucky flax]

I think the area near the increasae cleave is a bit too busy.

Do you need crack and bone and such?

[hollow forge]

Are we zedis yet

[upper sun]

maybe u should start by being nice

[fiery stratus]

idk if that cleave really matters with all the cleave wrath is gonna give

[fallow stream]

immolate yourself

clod

[summer prairie]

@plucky flax I'm ready

[plucky flax]

Ye take out assails cleave maybe.

Okay we need 2 more gamers for havoc 25+

Gear check skills check score check everything check

[upper sun]

how good do they have to be lmao

[radiant ice]

Voice required?

[plucky flax]

Just come and vibe.

[acoustic isle]

Damn we really gear checking a level 25 lmao

[plucky flax]

We'll adjust if we suck.

[upper sun]

launching gmae rn

[plucky flax]

I missed the /s but sure.

I am totally checking everything.

[fiery stratus]

full charge special did 1200 to a mauler, thats not bad actually

[radiant ice]

Yeah after the last post you made about it I assumed it was sarcasm XD

[fiery stratus]

@plucky flax i'll do a couple

[acoustic isle]

Unfortunately yesterday was my last day off work. So im back and have to work

And i kept getting 9999 errors last night

So im stuck at level 11 havoc still

[upper sun]

9999 is permanent so far

you cant host games until they fix it

[acoustic isle]

Oof so i gotta wait for the patch then huh lol

[upper sun]

you can play

[radiant ice]

Question to non-SG enjoyers

[fiery stratus]

They'll have a hotfix asap

[upper sun]

but you cant start games

[radiant ice]

As an alt build for certain... less aware groups. Can I swap to the shield without killing this crit sword/revolver build? XD

[acoustic isle]

Pretty easily i think

[radiant ice]

It feels the 20% crit loss alone would be brutal and I need a full restructure

[acoustic isle]

Just take out all the scriers

And you even have points left over

[plucky flax]

Dominaya or Matt which of you coming?

[radiant ice]

Let Matt go!

I am hosting for my group anyway

So being the joiner wouldn't help much XD

[fiery stratus]

F

[digital narwhal]

No Soulstealer or Perfect Timing / 10

[potent jacinth]

not sure where to post this, just came back to the game. My Psyker still has old talents.

[radiant ice]

Perfect Timing isn't that big to me

15% extra damage on just my shards is nice, but not really a big deal

[potent jacinth]

Won't let me post the picture.

[acoustic isle]

See the missing crit doesnt bother me too much i guess since it usually just amounts to one extra hit to kill in my experience on average. My time playing these games usually finds me feeling having the utility to save the squad comes in more handy than just being able to burst down elites etc.

[upper sun]

avery 😭 i just found out ammo crates have less chargers in havoc pls fix it thanks

[digital narwhal]

No

[upper sun]

it needs a visual indicator not everyone uses the mod 😭

[potent jacinth]

anyone know a fix?

[acoustic isle]

Dunno what you mean by old talents

[spark otter]

So everyones running scriers gaze with new sword, I'll bite, what am I missing

[acoustic isle]

It's solely for crit dps bonking lol

[radiant ice]

Yeah I was debating swapping to full support style bubble spam with the gs something like this

[potent jacinth]

Grenade, incendiary, dagger

[potent jacinth]

instead of this

[radiant ice]

(Slow net, this is for this comment)

[acoustic isle]

And being able to avoid damage means more uses of the medicae for the squad

[radiant ice]

As a complete move away from the crit build

I also made a Soulblaze sword build last night that was so fun, using run n gun inferno staff as I closed the distance with left click spam

And swapping to the sword once I reached the group with Souldrinker

[cold hornet]

Bubble got a massive nerf to its survivability with all the Gunnar and shooters on havoc now. Idk if this build is for that.
The shield goes down wildly fast now with the increased damage

[radiant ice]

But left me useless against the Havoc bosses and monstrosities

[spark otter]

Also seeing a lot of assail, is that just for ease of access to SG? I couldnt imagine using the sword AND assail

[radiant ice]

But that than my less aware friends' faces

[radiant ice]

Warp Unbound

[potent jacinth]

can I dm you the screenshot?

[radiant ice]

Sword until 100% peril, use the free 10 seconds of no explosion to throw out 10 shards that can each pen 10 enemies

[acoustic isle]

You can probably just post any screenshots here lol

[radiant ice]

Back to sword with fresh SG

[potent jacinth]

It won't let me, tried.

[acoustic isle]

Im mostly confused by what you mean by old talents. Havent seen any psyker talent changes. Ogryn got a change to their tree that reset everyone

[potent jacinth]

My talent tree looks exactly like my zealot talent tree

[radiant ice]

There was some changes about a month ago

Unless he means the dark days

Of launch psyker

[potent jacinth]

This character is old

like release

damn near

[potent jacinth]

My talent tree does not look like this is what im saying lol.

I don't have these options, I have stunstorm grenade, immolation grenade, and blades of faith. for first options

[spark otter]

Are you on your zealot

[radiant ice]

Ah you sure you're not on Zealot? XD

[potent jacinth]

lmao no

I promise lmao

[radiant ice]

DM me screenshots

[potent jacinth]

ok

[radiant ice]

waiting

This sounds interesting af

I want Psyker throwing knives

[plucky perch]

arent psycher telekenetic knives a thing lore wise?

[left dagger]

enjoying psyker sword more than zealot sword since dont need to tap activate or qq dectivate downtimes

but deimos still has its merits sending mauler crusher on their butts on heavy head poke

[radiant ice]

Had this idea for mixing the force gs into my bubble assail build: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da4e769-67f9-4760-91b2-de93928e46af/bubble-knight

Have I made any signature stupid decisions?

[acoustic isle]

It doesnt sound too terribly different from what i do already

Just using assail instead of smite

[radiant ice]

Yeah just occassionaly throw 1 shard keeps you at 100% peril

So you can take advantage of Warp Rider and the cleave

And the toughness dr

[acoustic isle]

I personally have smite out for reactive breathing room

And also cdr on elite kill

[radiant ice]

Yeahh cdr on elites is real nice

[acoustic isle]

So i can keep bubble off cooldown more often

[radiant ice]

I suppose a tap of smite would also keep peril up

[acoustic isle]

Stacking with 6 charges of warp siphon

It has me constantly keeping bubble up

[radiant ice]

Actually, this could work for a smite left click build

But losing the 10 free kills on every shard is rough

The CDR though is nice

Also loses Malefic momentum, which is a bit rough

[acoustic isle]

I very much play psyker as a "protect kids from stray nets daycare" lmao

[radiant ice]

Yupp

I get that

Although I have my Zealot build with 5-10s book cooldown for that

[acoustic isle]

Ah a fellow yapp zealot

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[radiant ice]

Stealth is for scrubs

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-23deers-schwarzenegger-sonofabitch-gif-18064779

[patent steeple]

what about the crit dash (fury of the faithful)?

[radiant ice]

Chad move

Just not my thing

[onyx sentinel]

how am I Havoc 16 with not a single run? do auric maelstroms increase it or something?

don't you start at 10?

[radiant ice]

If you unlock with Auric Mael you start at 16

If you unlock with regular Mael, 1

[radiant ice]

So this is my thinking/flow of the build. Idea being at 100% peril forever, and if it dips to 95% I have a choice between a shard or an arc from the GS depending on situation

Ignore the fact the latest Windows Update broken sound in Steam's recording software, also this is draft 1 of the build XD

[patent steeple]

I really hate grinding mats/dockets to get enough beeg force swords to sacrifice so I can get the mastery up... (I don't wanna use a force GS without unlocking good blessings for it...)

[spark otter]

Its perfectly fine without blessings

Or just consecrate it and use the blesssings it gives

[onyx sentinel]

no Wrath is pretty rough in my experience

[spark otter]

I dont have wrath on mine

[acoustic isle]

Right and if it's about just staying at 90-100 perils assail is probably better then

Takes less time to just throw one knife

[radiant ice]

Yeah that's the idea, edging build

[bold cape]

im coming back to this game after several months so ive no idea how i should be interacting with the new system lmao
should i just use the weapon for xp? or should i be using my preexisting loadouts to get mats to buy weapons to then sacrifice them for xp instead? dont know what's most efficient