#psyker-class

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dense elm
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ok its not brittle its terrifying barrage

wise mural
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Brittleness is such a good help to those that use mainly melee, just spread those flames and get 20% brittleness and venting shriek to stack soulblaze, brain pop specials for more spread

plucky flax
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Play blaze away nexus on inferno/burga staff.

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The brittleness talent's damage increase is nothing in comparison.

spice flame
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Was about to say that

hazy moss
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I LOVE THE VOID STAFF I LOVE THE VOID STAFF

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I LOVE BIG BALLS

dense elm
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imma try and hit level 30 then get good blessings

wise mural
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I have mastery on all the staves and I love all of them equally really, they each have their niche

hazy moss
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what would u say the nice for the void staff is?

wise mural
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strike or blast?

hazy moss
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strike

spice flame
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balls

plucky flax
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Play bistol is the coolest.

hazy moss
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blast is trauma

hazy moss
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only thing better than 1 big ball are 2 big balls

wise mural
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my balls are firey

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and hit head hard

hazy moss
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running ball staff on train mission and sending big balls down the train to clear elites is just so pogryn

dense elm
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wait what about psyker balls

wise mural
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Void staff

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big balls do big boom damage

hazy moss
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serious damage

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me when i hit a crusher with two fully charged crit BALLS

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thanks to surge*

wise mural
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Should I make the switch to two balls instead of my firey one?

spice flame
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I mean, try it

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the playstyles are widly different

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(but please, also try to switch the brittleness blessing with Blaze away + warp nexus on inferno staff)

wise mural
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current playstyle with void staff is artillerist/special targeter with Warp Nexus and Blazing

spice flame
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Voidblast is usually warp + Surge

hazy moss
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imagine running britleness on the fire staff 💀 😂

spice flame
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ikr

hazy moss
wise mural
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I have used literally all the staves

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I know how each of them work

hazy moss
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you might know how each of them work

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but do you KNOW how each of them work

wise mural
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brittleness helps with armor pen, I dont do SHIT do carapace, so Brittleness helps with the teamates and myself who can when using inferno staff

analog agate
mossy oyster
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Staves fucking suck

hazy moss
mossy oyster
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not very appealing

hazy moss
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you dont like big balls?!

mossy oyster
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you may as a 40k fan but no I’m just a darktide player

hazy moss
spice flame
mossy oyster
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cause I think they fucking blow

hazy moss
mossy oyster
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don’t see an appeal or point

wise mural
fiery stratus
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heretical penis again

spice flame
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But, I mean, wtv works for you ofc thumbsup_ogryn

analog agate
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Infinite ammo. Infinite cleave on trauma. Sales pitch done

hazy moss
# mossy oyster can you sale pitch staves

i asked chatgpt, heres what it said

"Unleash the Warp: Why You Need a Force Staff in Darktide"

Are you tired of being swarmed by hordes of heretics and lacking the tools to control the battlefield? The Force Staff is your ultimate solution. Here's why you should make it your weapon of choice:

Crowd Control Mastery:
Force staves excel at clearing hordes. Whether it's the powerful AOE blasts of the Purgatus staff or the precision elimination of the Voidstrike, you’ll mow through enemies like a true Psyker hero.

Range and Utility:
Stuck behind enemy lines or supporting your team from a distance? The Force Staff gives you unparalleled versatility. Stun elites, control choke points, and keep your team breathing easy with tactical warp power.

Damage Scaling with Brain Burst:
Pair your staff with Brain Burst to devastate even the tankiest foes. Clear the weaklings with your staff, then focus your mind to obliterate bosses and elites. It’s a perfect synergy of AOE and single-target power.

Energy Management:
Forget ammunition! The Force Staff’s power is limited only by your Peril management. With proper pacing, you’ll never be caught out of resources in the heat of battle.

Style Points:
Nothing screams Psyker like a glowing, warp-infused staff that vaporizes enemies. It’s not just a weapon; it’s a statement.

Pro Tips for Mastering Force Staves:

Use the Surge Staff for stunning groups of ranged enemies, making it easier for your team to close the gap.
The Purgatus Staff excels at melting hordes while leaving a satisfying trail of fire in its wake.
The Voidstrike Staff allows for long-range, charged shots to penetrate enemies, hitting multiple foes at once.
With a force staff in your hands, you’re not just a Psyker—you’re a game-changer. Equip one, and show the heretics the true power of the Warp!

mossy oyster
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now sale pitch like a human

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Ain’t reading no ai

mossy oyster
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shit don’t even play the game

patent mango
hazy moss
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ai knows everything

mossy oyster
patent mango
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it make thing explode more

wise mural
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Honestly

wise mural
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I hate looking for ammo

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Staff win

mossy oyster
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There’s plenty of ammo in every map imo

hazy moss
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sensing a lot of ai haters in this chat

mossy oyster
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as long as every single person doesn’t go in red

patent mango
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bistol is so ammo efficient that i dont need to care

patent mango
hazy moss
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guys i think @mossy oyster is rage baiting

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10/10 troll bait

analog agate
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paradise doesn’t use staves though. So he ain’t lying

mossy oyster
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everyone can shoot their gun and there would still be enough ammo in the map if no one went to 0

spice flame
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idk why but I'm annoyed that "Bistol" is a thing

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don't ask

hazy moss
patent mango
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its funny

hazy moss
patent mango
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bistol

spice flame
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it's bistol

wise mural
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Gunpsyker is fun yeah but when the Crusher falls on his ass from my big balls or my big explosion

analog agate
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Bistol and Burgatus brought to you by Agent Chaos

fiery stratus
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bolt pistol

wise mural
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its cool to watch and laugh

hazy moss
spice flame
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yeah

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bistol

fiery stratus
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yes pepto bismol

hazy moss
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i also chug some before playing ogryn

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holding in a shit helps me feel like a true ogryn

patent mango
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bistol

wise mural
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valid

fiery stratus
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the mastery skins do be kinda lookin like it tbh

autumn lark
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Staves are dookie

wise mural
spice flame
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nuh uh

autumn lark
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Youd benefit more from using revolvers or autoguns on psyker

fiery stratus
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staves are good

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they're just slow

spice flame
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relatable

hazy moss
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anime pfp detected, argument invalidated

wise mural
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tell that to my two big balls as I slide towards the Rager

autumn lark
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Didnt you use chatgpt becauae your too lazy to make an argument for staves?

autumn lark
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Sounds like you dont like using staves all that much

patent mango
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ai slop

spice flame
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stave funi

autumn lark
mossy oyster
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Ai is bannable offense btw

thorn cedar
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what are the odds i am satisfied with my own smite guide before the full PS5 launch

mossy oyster
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but it’s pretty funny you can’t make your own points or argument for your own main

patent mango
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staves just make stuff explode

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what more could u want....

autumn lark
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The psyker yeah

hazy moss
fiery stratus
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staves aren't bad damage wise

autumn lark
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With guns you just reload and cant die

fiery stratus
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other than that its preference mostly

hazy moss
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but bc you asked

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heres my point

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staffs are cool

spice flame
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.

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here's mine

wise mural
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Staves 100% could out damage a Gun Psyker

hazy moss
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•

upper sun
patent mango
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oh is ai actually bannable thats good

hazy moss
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speaking of tho

wise mural
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I mean

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thats what they are made for

hazy moss
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grammar error detected, opinion invalidated

autumn lark
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Para post your double barrel gameplay

mossy oyster
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I won’t they’ll just say use a staff instead

autumn lark
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I wanna see a voidstrike do that damage

hazy moss
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gunker always gonna outdmg staffker

patent mango
hazy moss
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but is it more fun?

clear heath
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lmb ek staff will outdamage it

mossy oyster
hazy moss
patent mango
upper sun
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fun is subjective not really a good measurement of anything

wise mural
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Staff will 100% out damage gunpsyker

mossy oyster
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if the gunker is dog shit maybe

mossy oyster
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or if you use EK macro

autumn lark
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Gunpsyker is hella more fun than staves

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If you m1 macro on staves your just bad at the game🤷‍♂️

hazy moss
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gunker way stronger than staffker yea, but what if i wanted to use a staff? checkmate ai haters

wise mural
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me killing Crusher with 2 fully charged EK hits because of Crit damage

hazy moss
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melee only psyker

autumn lark
patent mango
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funny

clear heath
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staff has better damage per ammo pickup
checkmate

mossy oyster
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depends on the gun

patent mango
clear heath
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fuck

mossy oyster
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I can tell you don’t use guns just by saying that

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lmfao

patent mango
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ok but

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hes right

mossy oyster
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Not you warudo

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json

autumn lark
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Para outdamages me on zealot with double barrel

patent mango
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they dont use ammo...

clear heath
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damage per ammo on staves is infinity

mossy oyster
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if staves used ammo this would be all of psyker chat

fiery stratus
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lol, the damage debate is always funny. How much is trash damage

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Idk i dont even consider trash damage to really count toward anything

wise mural
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using both, Staves have always worked much better for me. Better Hoard clear, better special targeting

patent mango
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i like gun cause more mobile

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thats about it

wise mural
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Boss damage can be a bit lower but

fiery stratus
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i use hipfire revolver but i basically only use it for elites and sometimes specials

north hatch
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I use guns cause i think the staves are ugly

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And that's literally it

hazy moss
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gunker damage is carried by assail smap

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spam*

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debate me

spice flame
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Slap a double barrel on a staff then

mossy oyster
patent mango
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its funny

wise mural
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Staves are just generally the better option, for most scenarios

fiery stratus
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eh

north hatch
wise mural
patent mango
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i dont even use assail on gunker

hazy moss
clear heath
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i just play mostly melee on my gun build

fiery stratus
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assail does a lot of damage but i basically use assail for dumping on groups in sticky situations and shooting specials

north hatch
clear heath
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my goal is to have the least ammo picked up while still top damage

north hatch
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I only tried it on my vet though

patent mango
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u need to reuse the mod thingy in files

analog agate
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They have a temp fix in the modding discord for broken dml

spice flame
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Ye mods are back

wise mural
patent mango
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did something actually properly break

analog agate
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Ya

patent mango
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oof

north hatch
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Was it specifically custom weapons that broke the game

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And not other mods

spice flame
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We're lucky it happened today rather than the 3rd

analog agate
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It is the actual loader

north hatch
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Ahhh

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So what do I do then

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Just reinstall mod loader?

spice veldt
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ye
do whatever the modding discord announcements say

north hatch
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Kk

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Thanks

patent mango
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ok gonna test it with the updated mod loader

spice flame
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And run the .bat

autumn lark
patent mango
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bistol

autumn lark
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manstopper both barrels scrier

plucky flax
hollow maple
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double barrel psyker feels weird

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bistol psyker goodge

plucky flax
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Did another ez bistol clutch.

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Bistol somehow makes teammates play worse.

clear heath
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honestly i hate how the recoil feels on both those weapons

autumn lark
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quickscope on bolter weapons

north hatch
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I saw ogryn s kickbacks run n gun having a 30% spread decrease and thought it'd be good on combat shotgun and double barrel

analog agate
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Blast staff still negates bad teammates. Another reason why I still love it

north hatch
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Only to learn that on double barrel it's only 10

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And combat shotguns don't have run n gun

spice flame
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Yeah ok I'll try bistol tonight

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Fine

hollow maple
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It's fun

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more fun than playing any staff

clear heath
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i tried out columnus (old graia) today
Does anyone use this thing? It seems to suck lol

north hatch
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I haven't used the pistol in a while

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They buffed lethal prox right?

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It can actually proc the bleed and stuff?

analog agate
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I feel you would only use lethal prox with vet

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Not psyker

clear heath
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the explosions still don't proc bleed

north hatch
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O rip

clear heath
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they did buff the bistol itself though

north hatch
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So still surgical puncture?

north hatch
plucky flax
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That's what I use yeah.

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Surgical puncture veri cool.

analog agate
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Works well with vet shredder nades

hollow maple
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nice clutch jodie, shame about the music though 😉

thorn cedar
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Lethal Prox is global

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So all explosion flags are boosted

wooden ledge
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psyker question, i might be tripping myself cuz i have way more hours on sienna in vt2 - sometimes i seem to blow up without doing any action that would build peril. ill be at high peril, cast something that brings me up to 97-100% peril, swap to melee and be blocking or attacking (not using special attack on force sword) and THEN overcharge. im not sure whats going on there

north hatch
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Ohhh

fiery stratus
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if you have the talent that causes you to gain peril instead of losing stamina thats a possibility

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on block

analog agate
mental rock
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KD uses stamina if you have too high peril

patent mango
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push is fine but push block attack uses peril

jovial juniper
radiant frigate
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force sword push attacks do build a small amount of peril

mental rock
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It could be pushing with a force sword

plucky flax
radiant frigate
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push ok push attack go boom

wooden ledge
patent mango
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blast

patent mango
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me waiting for dec 3

clear heath
analog agate
wooden ledge
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thanks friends. also how do you get red name in here? ive looked thru sidebar faqs and didnt see it in onboarding

mental rock
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Just chat more

wooden ledge
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okey participation, thank you 😄

jovial juniper
wooden ledge
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ah push attack only builds peril if it actually connects with an enemy, thats why i never realized

clear heath
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hmm

jovial juniper
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It's something that's for sure

patent mango
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i keep seeing the force greatsword gif lmao

patent mango
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yeah something like that one

late sapphire
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oh that one

analog agate
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I like the top one. Leaves more to the imagination

late sapphire
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if touching carapace makes the projectile disappear i will cry

clear heath
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watch it disappear if it slightly touches a wall

patent mango
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cut wall in half

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roof falls on team

late sapphire
zinc phoenix
wise mural
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silly

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like the tin foil hat of Old Terra

zinc phoenix
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Wake up sheeple!

jovial juniper
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This gif?

north hatch
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Damn that looks sick

radiant frigate
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only 6 more days siblings can you believe it

north hatch
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Are both of them like that

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Wait nvm I'm stupid

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Idk why I thought the special would be different

clear heath
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Do you think they'll ever rework obscurus?

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or is it just gonna be abandoned?

hollow maple
clear heath
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There isn't a gif or footage of it, no

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There's like still images of it

north hatch
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Doesn't obscurus have some use cases

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Still

clear heath
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no

north hatch
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Oh

clear heath
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literally 0

north hatch
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Nvm then

spice veldt
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obscurus just needs some simple changes in my mind

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bump to the uppercut damage

north hatch
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Wait hear me out

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They should keep it the way it is

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Because the name is funny

spice veldt
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chain from h2 to l1 even though I disagree just for usability reasons

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and that's pretty much it

clear heath
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give it an interesting special

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Like i'm sure 0 people would be offended if they made drastic changes to obscurus, simply because no one cares

mental rock
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How about giving it a unique push/pa instead of just the same thing as the other two

late sapphire
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It's literally just shit now

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Special should make armored targets explode like a frag

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Simple as

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That'd let you use it to actually kill crusher packs

clear heath
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let it just blow up bulwarks through a shield lmao

tulip kettle
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anyone happen to know which mod is broken in the update?

late sapphire
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There's a fix on the modding discord

tulip kettle
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awesome ty

late sapphire
plucky flax
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Cheating mods. staregryn

tulip kettle
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playing without fullauto mod is just not an option tbh

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my W key is already broken i dont need a broken mouse too

radiant ice
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I couldn't go back to without it, my finger no longer hurts

patent mango
clear heath
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i just use guns that are already auto

patent mango
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one of the side mouse buttons died

tulip kettle
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staff enjoyer

patent mango
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imagine being sentenced to using heavy laspistol without fullauto mod

radiant ice
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Also that mod is so cool

patent mango
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force gs at home

radiant ice
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Thanks for the recommendation XD

hazy moss
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whats up with disrupt destiny not showing properly at the bottom of ur hud

radiant ice
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I've noticed that too

late sapphire
late sapphire
clear heath
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I've heard people mention it might be from having too many buffs

late sapphire
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Get better buff management and stick it in an independent bar

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Then it'll show up

mental rock
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Just a visual bug, the buff still works

tulip kettle
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another essential mod imo

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especially for zealot

clear heath
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I've never had the issue cause I have a mod for multiple buff bars

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psyker gets too many buffs

radiant ice
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Guess I need to get that too

clear heath
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even with 2 bars this shit looks cluttered
and my aura buffs are in a corner outside the screenshot

thorn cedar
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even if it doesnt gain the stagger

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like it just has cobbled together pieces from the other force swords ... but weaker

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and it doesnt have to be weaker

spice veldt
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the general pattern so far is that stabs will be strictly better than overheads with the ideal that stabs are harder to hit
the problem is that stabs tend to have active frames longer than they should

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but i do think that the deimos stab could be reigned in a little bit anyways

thorn cedar
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with slaughterer stacks and warp splitter you can pull Deimos' H2 across two Reapers

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very funny

spice veldt
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peak

thorn cedar
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just tripping them with your limbo stick

spice veldt
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it's just that shrimple

thorn cedar
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oops Ragers not Reapers

spice veldt
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fucked up that you would lie to me 😔 (still silly)

clear heath
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give obscurus mini force cleave

patent mango
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lmao

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actually that looks normal mine are just 1 line instead of 2

analog agate
patent mango
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impossible

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maybe dd should be base 5s and lingering stays 10s

thorn cedar
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or u could get good

clear heath
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it's actually annoying to stack it even in psykanium

patent mango
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never

thorn cedar
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25 stacks is a pretty pointless goal, you lose it in 4s

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its just about being above 15

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thats it, thats the only goal

clear heath
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yeah but i needed the stacks for the funny illisi crusher oneshot

thorn cedar
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if you have more than 15 you are gaining value you wouldnt have gotten with lingering

summer prairie
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I don't see 25 being viable except for maybe some melee builds

patent mango
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my friend has perfectionism and keeps saying "dont kill that guy" but im already about to stab them lmao

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literally about to melee them by that point

thorn cedar
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25's viability is tricky

clear heath
patent mango
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i just dont wanna bother with it

thorn cedar
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you can theorize weapons hitting breakpoints with it but its more about whether those weapons/your build actually lets you score blueboi kills at a speed where it matters

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i have zero issue stacking up 20+ persistently with deimos/laspee/assail

patent mango
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maybe with reconlas it could be more reasonable

summer prairie
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if you are running around chasing blues, you are losing damage anyway

thorn cedar
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thats what i said yes

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if you have to genuinely chase them down with blinders on to maintain it

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youre doing it wrong

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i just have to press Q and instantly headpop some dummy with the laspee

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you have 40s at 25 stacks before you are at the level of lingering influence

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the reality is that most weapons just arent fast enough to do it, or you have to already have stacks running before it gets off the ground

haughty star
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emprah literally just nonironically dumped this on my 2nd psyker

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i haven't touched it

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wish i had luck like this before the locked and loaded lol

radiant frigate
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pre-patch this would have been divine

patent mango
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perfectionism is so rare

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i barely see it

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i cant use it it makes dd a pain

thorn cedar
zinc phoenix
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Getting to 25 is so rare

thorn cedar
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then ur doin it wrang

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sometimes it isnt even a skill issue

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your shit just doesnt pull it off

zinc phoenix
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I have played lot of dd in auric maels

patent mango
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i pretty much only dd yea

thorn cedar
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like Voidstrike does not do 25 stacks

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flight time + charge time

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its a total wash

strong gulch
zinc phoenix
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Neither does assail

clear heath
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I can imagine laspistol can pull it off

zinc phoenix
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Neither does illsi

thorn cedar
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Laspistol? instant draw, hilarious finesse numbers

zinc phoenix
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There’s a very very very small number of weapons that can viably get there

thorn cedar
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and now your deimos can l1 a mutant to death with a headshot

zinc phoenix
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So for the vast majority of the builds available perfectionism is an out and out bad choice

thorn cedar
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yes no denying that

zinc phoenix
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Then you might want to caveat your advice to “with laspistol perfectionism can be good”

thorn cedar
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no

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figure it out yourself

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im not gonna prescribe my solution as being the only solution

zinc phoenix
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K

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I’m just gonna block you for being an idiot tbh

thorn cedar
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i have also maintained 25s with an MKIV Kantrael (whatever the shit its called now), Smite, and a Combat Knife

patent mango
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psyker chat getting toxic

clear heath
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I think revolver could probably pull it off too

summer prairie
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do you actually maintain it between encounters too

thorn cedar
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nah sometimes you just get fucked over

strong gulch
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Trauma / voidblast is pretty is easy to keep DD stacks up, but then you're doing trauma DD. It's more of an assail trauma build, but that's off meta.

thorn cedar
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like if youre the only one willing to do the goddamn objective

patent mango
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perfectionism just isnt fun at all tbh

summer prairie
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it would be more interesting to see the average stack count

thorn cedar
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but you cant plan for that shit

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god i wish i had a scoreboard for that, yeah

jovial juniper
thorn cedar
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here's really what it comes down to

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can you land headshots

clear heath
thorn cedar
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and are you willing to sometimes farm up the stacks on a group of bruisers

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thats really it

broken carbon
thorn cedar
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revolver is alright also, but the ammo in mag is limiting

clear heath
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DD stacks disintegrating before my eyes while one guy fucks around just outside the elevator

thorn cedar
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you wanna be able to pick up that blue fucker as soon as you can

broken carbon
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blue fucker

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smurf…

thorn cedar
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so only five shots before reloading kinda sucks

patent mango
thorn cedar
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vs. laspee getting 30+

summer prairie
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can't even bring a blue with you to the elevator

thorn cedar
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lmao

patent mango
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take a bag of tiny heretics to kill whenever you need stacks

thorn cedar
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"everybody meet smurfy"
"we are NOT doing this again"

patent mango
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single celled heretic

spice veldt
#

can't believe that fatshark wouldn't allow us to kidnap a marked target onto the elevator

zinc phoenix
thorn cedar
#

lmao

#

is that your interpretation?

broken carbon
#

lmfao

clear heath
#

He didn't even say it was for every weapon though. He did limit his claim

#

He said some weapons couldn't do it

#

this was clarified

#

multiple times

thorn cedar
#

some of yall will also absolutely succeed with a weapon combination that i failed at

spice veldt
#

he specifies it here

thorn cedar
#

but most of you are just intimidated by 4s stacks and wont try it

patent mango
#

max 25 stacks with bolter

spice veldt
#

most literate psyker

zinc phoenix
# broken carbon …. he literally explained it all

He claimed perfectionism was good and the better choice, then on pushback admitted only on laspistol and still hasn’t dealt with the whole “you might have to do things other than stand still shooting stuff”

broken carbon
patent mango
thorn cedar
#

i deffo did not

spice veldt
#

zealots, especially meow, are also stupid

broken carbon
zinc phoenix
#

🤷‍♀️

thorn cedar
#

Lingering is so good and consistent that it's boring

zinc phoenix
#

You’re welcome to live life how you want, I’m goin back to mine

broken carbon
thorn cedar
#

So I make every effort to run Perfectionist until I can be sure that that shit really doesn't work

analog agate
thorn cedar
#

Perfectionism is when ya blow ur warp load in 4s

broken carbon
#

now it’s 3

autumn lark
#

Weird

broken carbon
#

unless BB got a buff i wasnt aware of

autumn lark
#

Is it because it gets more carapace ADM?

analog agate
#

Nah still 3

broken carbon
broken carbon
#

bulwarks have i think 4800 health

autumn lark
#

Ohhh

analog agate
#

They got a health buff when ?plasma could start going through their shields

broken carbon
#

brainburst i think has an ADM of 1 across the board

#

right?

clear heath
broken carbon
#

oddball is

#

something else

patent mango
#

odd?

broken carbon
#

that’s a nice word for it

analog agate
#

Nah, a ball

patent mango
thorn cedar
#

Perfectionism = one blueboi headshot every 12s to maintain

#

sometimes it cant be done

clear heath
#

I tried it with vraks a few times and it was too much of a hassle

thorn cedar
#

sometimes it can only be done if you are already at like, 20 stacks because you only score easy one-tap headshots at that level

#

yea

#

vraks is like supreme overkill also lmao

#

laspee does some very funny shit once its maxed out like that

#

one tapping dreg gunners in the head

clear heath
#

I think it could theoretically work well on vraks but it's just too much to bother with

#

don't have the skill or willpower or need

thorn cedar
#

really anything with a draw time is kinda bad

#

and most automatics also tend to be kinda bad

#

cause not scoring the headshot kill is a difference of two stacks

#

and i mean

#

fucking nobody is running Perfectionist without the headshot node

#

not even me, im not that insane

patent mango
#

save the point from cruel fortune to put in perilous assault

thorn cedar
#

pfffft

#

more like perilous ass

patent mango
#

i think if they replaced perilous with a 5% tdr node people would pick it 5 times more

thorn cedar
#

i would LOL

minor wedge
#

I keep seeing "Smite is bad" posts on reddit

#

Why is that ?

patent mango
#

smite is just kinda boring

thorn cedar
#

i am making a post of my own

#

explaining all of that

#

here is a sneak peak

broken carbon
clear heath
#

see, checking reddit was your first mistake

broken carbon
thorn cedar
jovial juniper
broken carbon
thorn cedar
#

Smite's damage is super shit

#

even if you put a bunch of talent points into it

thorn cedar
#

so its best use is in brief flashes of CC

#

which means not holding it down unless you are trying to accomplish something specific like a revive or an objective

minor wedge
patent mango
#

smite coulda been molten beam.......

summer prairie
#

the damage is fine with enough targets, you are setting up for shriek anyway

broken carbon
patent mango
#

eat food

thorn cedar
#

and then shriek alone takes care of everything on the above table by itself

dense elm
#

hey so question

broken carbon
thorn cedar
#

its really just a very shitty build

summer prairie
#

180x50 targets is fine dps

patent mango
thorn cedar
#

so it has built in damage fall off

#

shriek hits everything equally

dense elm
#

is the brittleness blessing im supposed to be getting on my inferno staff rending shockwave or is it another one

broken carbon
minor wedge
#

Thats the build I use (found it on a website)(

thorn cedar
#

that is the exact build i am looking to tear down lmao

dense elm
#

shit your right im looking at a void blast

thorn cedar
#

instead of EP move everything over to Warp Charges

#

probably dont need Battle Meditation either

analog agate
#

Fyi exploits is getting you to not do an EP smite build in general. What you posted is a fine build though

strong gulch
thorn cedar
#

i mean you can still do EP Smite, but, dont fall into the trap of holding Smite down for extended periods of time "for damage"

minor wedge
#

I mean.... I'm gonna keep playing it since I realy enjoy it but I just wanted to know why people seem to hate on it so much

thorn cedar
#

if you look at the table, EP Smite does a fantastic job of deleting big ol Groaner and Poxwalker crowds in very little time

wispy bay
#

EP smite can trash clear quick

thorn cedar
#

But any Smite that lasts for longer than four or so seconds is ... fucking long

minor wedge
#

Yeah, I only use it on realy big pox hordes or to hold elites in CC.

wispy bay
#

Though some people will try to kill elites with it

thorn cedar
#

big mistake

minor wedge
#

All the rest is lightning staff and force sword dealable

analog agate
#

EP smite is:
Horde or large group comes. Smite until 86 peril. Venting shriek and continue smiting. Group is dead.

Use sword/ek staff for single targets/small groups

thorn cedar
#

you could just spam your illisi special to hit 86% faster and thne shriek and have the exact same results

wispy bay
#

The only times I hold smite for more than 2 seconds with EP smite is because of the enemy orgryn horde.

clear heath
#

I should try a run where i only use smite

minor wedge
#

So good to hold down a group of crushers

clear heath
#

just to see what it's like

analog agate
#

Ya, I am not an EP smiter. It is a slower (but safer) method of exponentially killing hordes

thorn cedar
summer prairie
#

well obviously you aren't using smite for pure dps

analog agate
#

I don’t enjoy ep smite

summer prairie
#

and shouldn't boil it down to just that

thorn cedar
#

but people build it for DPS sadly

#

i also do like EP Smite specifically for the reduced time to bounce

#

it goes from 0.3s between bounces to 0.2 seconds and that is BIG

modest perch
#

Ep scriers smite

jovial juniper
#

Warp Syphon Scrier's Smite

analog agate
#

EP smite/shriek does do good dmg though…

wispy bay
thorn cedar
#

i do DD/SG Gunker Smite lul

strong gulch
#

EP smite is a PC, shriek, and psyk aura enabler that also ticks damage in a way that usually lets you get the last bit of damage (even if someone else does most of it) so you get the credit. If you do partial damage to a lot of the map, you're gonna get inflated damage numbers.

plucky flax
#

Had a guy with voidstrike last game. But he was spamming ep smite the whole time instead. gachiGASM

strong gulch
#

It also take a lot of point investment.

thorn cedar
#

what you actually are trying to do is hit 86% perils and then that alone will wipe out the trash

#

Smite is irrelevant outside of being CC in that equation

analog agate
#

It is the safest way to do it

thorn cedar
#

so it would be best to just focus on using it as CC and building your perils in any numerous better and more damaging ways

strong gulch
#

Yeah, EP smite kills slowly; but you kill 1 rager or 40 of them in a similar amount of time.

thorn cedar
#

like 70% of Smite damage in most Smite builds is Soulblaze

strong gulch
#

The enemy density scaling is silly.

thorn cedar
#

and you could be doing that Soulblaze much more efficienctly, while increasing Soulblaze damage, and the rest of your kit's damage, and you would still have Smite for CC

#

it's a hat on a hat

analog agate
#

And now we get to the question he asked lmao. Smite is “bad” because it is a large enabler of soul blaze. And MOST users use it with bubble shield as “support”

thorn cedar
#

its also just really annoying and suffocating to play with when it's brutally overused, and i mean brutally

#

not just "well sometimes i smite for a while"

#

we mean players who ONLY smite

#

who exist and make us all sad

wispy bay
#

In hunting ground SC, smite deletes the hounds before anyone else can even see them, which is also fun

clear heath
#

i'm gonna try ep smite with bubble just to see how awful it is

#

smite only

thorn cedar
thorn cedar
#

but sadly the way it exists currently is that you could also just always use it and it never really punishes you

#

like nobody will ever deny

#

a Smyker holding down a room for a revive is excellent

#

we want that

#

we do not want a Smyker holding down a Poxwalker horde for 16 seconds and nothing else

clear heath
#

it just turns killing stuff into a chore instead of a game

wispy bay
#

The thing with smite is the low mobility vs melee and ranged weapons, so I rotate around them all the time.

thorn cedar
#

we really do live in a psykhanium

thorn cedar
clear heath
#

like damn, now i gotta walk to all these spread out enemies while they stand around unable to attack

thorn cedar
#

once you cast it tho yea youre locked in

strong gulch
#

I wonder if smite could be helped by making it like 3 consumables or something. Like nades. Or just have a cooldown.

I know that's been brought up before.

thorn cedar
#

i just want it to have a hard cap

#

three seconds and it lets go

#

and also like

#

maybe it actually fucken perils you when you max it lmao

#

i find it wild that its so generous

summer prairie
#

if no complete rework, something like crushers/mutants immune or become immune after x seconds of stun

#

like they also gain stagger immunity

thorn cedar
#

all enemies nurgle blessed!!

clear heath
strong gulch
thorn cedar
#

i only perils with smite since they added warp unbound and thats because its bugged lmao

minor wedge
#

Elites get smacked with Staff lightning

#

or with my sword

#

^^

fringe garden
#

Smykere are not so ubiquitous that these problems need to be addressed mechanically. I have only very rarely seen these mythical people that exclusively abuse smite in the way being described here.

sturdy reef
#

warp unbound into peril explosion is peak

minor wedge
clear heath
#

I just always click no

thorn cedar
analog agate
#

Depends on if it is a single elite or multiple. In a specced smite build you should be taking elites out with smite too.

thorn cedar
#

higher you go the less its seen as acceptable

clear heath
#

I also just want smite to be more fun

#

because i want to use it

minor wedge
thorn cedar
#

brand new players LOVE smite, they think its amazing how you can have your smyker hold an entire horde while you magdump it as a veteran

patent mango
analog agate
thorn cedar
#

dont verify files unless youve been having problems

#

itll always ask, just say no

strong gulch
#

Smite has great spectacle for new player too.

thorn cedar
#

oh yea its flashy and awesome

minor wedge
clear heath
#

I like lightning

sturdy reef
#

lightning is cool

minor wedge
#

true

thorn cedar
#

i like the sound it makes too

sturdy reef
#

I rarely see it being abused

#

so idrc about smite

fringe garden
#

I use smite to grab a hold of a situation that is spiraling, let people quickly reposition, and go back to killing. That's what it is for. That's how most people use it, too.

minor wedge
#

DID YOU KNOW

#

It changes color when you use a celerity stim ?

#

Becomes bright blue

thorn cedar
#

whaaaa

minor wedge
#

Like, neon bright blue

celest valve
#

man i just use smite because UNLIMITED POWER and to let everyone else just lazily kill everything at their leisure

minor wedge
#

And it latches onto more targets faster

remote shadow
celest valve
#

and if they don't, I press venting shriek to burn them all to death

clear heath
#

For me it's not about other people abusing it (although i do hate it)
I just want something more engaging to use than just "press button at any time to disable all enemies"

thorn cedar
#

would be true for other stims too then

minor wedge
clear heath
#

like it doesn't matter how often you see other people spam it.
I want it to be fun for myself

minor wedge
#

Only changes color with the blue stim

celest valve
thorn cedar
#

yea I want to write this guide in order to justify why holding smite down for long periods of time is almost always wrong

patent mango
#

cant they at least put assail in the middle of the tree

#

:(

thorn cedar
#

not just belittle

clear heath
patent mango
#

noooooo

fringe garden
minor wedge
strong gulch
#

Also, my hands can't stand just holding down a button for as along as ep smite wants.

thorn cedar
#

yea if im not swapping weapons every five seconds i will literally die irl in minecraft

strong gulch
#

I know that's more of a me problem but lmao surge staff is actually easier to use because of that.

minor wedge
#

Cant wait for that new sword btw

analog agate
#

Counterstrike knife swap

minor wedge
#

Gonna be hillarious

#

Unleashing a psychic cut

minor wedge
#

YES PLEASE

#

Question though. If I aim my lightning staff at, lets say a BoN's weakpoint, with that do more damage ?

#

Or is it fixed?

fringe garden
#

God, there are gonna be so many new and returning Psyker players soon. It's gonna be terrible.

mossy oyster
#

its already terrible

clear heath
#

all the random psykers attempting to melee for the first time

#

folding to 3 poxwalkers

patent mango
#

500h psyker first time using a melee

#

lmao

thorn cedar
polar crypt
#

what is 'melee' all I know is smite and inferno staff

clear heath
#

i can't wait for the surge in reddit posts of "psyker melee sucks" from all the new people trying it

polar crypt
#

reddit isn't real it can't hurt you

minor wedge
thorn cedar
#

or left click the zit

patent mango
#

if it sucks post force gs we'd get more melee talents if enough people complain

#

maybe

minor wedge
clear heath
patent mango
quick tulip
#

I'm glad a bunch of people are returning to Psyker

They'll all go back to DS Vet and then get DS removed from other classes again

patent mango
#

give lightning spee extra move spee on melee kill

#

my d key just broke

clear heath
#

lol

spice veldt
#

speeeeeeeeeee

clear heath
#

no more dodging right for you

minor wedge
young summit
haughty star
#

I'm just using the dueling sword five and I'm not sure what to dump. I want maxed mobility stats. Not sure if pen or finesse is more impactful

#

@near wyvern if one had to have 80 def and 80 mob would you dump finesse or pen or try to balance between?

summer prairie
#

with uncanny stacks up penetration doesn't really do anything

#

but you can just dump defences too

analog agate
#

I would dump defences

clear heath
#

is mk5 the one with defences instead of cleave damage?

summer prairie
#

I guess it marginally affects "mobility"

analog agate
#

Yes

thorn cedar
#

i want that new maaaaaap

#

weve been staring at that cathedral for a while

quick tulip
#

I like to dump pen cause defenses also covers push cost and I push it, push it real good

haughty star
haughty star
#

Plus the 5 is more of a lesser elite killer anyway

analog agate
quick tulip
#

They should give psyker the psykinetic equivalent of a Bret sword and board, just because

radiant frigate
quick tulip
patent mango
#

so peak.......

quick tulip
#

Yeah I've been hoping force 2h gave deflector a wider block angle

minor wedge
#

What are we gonna call 2hand sword mains ? Knighters? Knykers?

patent mango
#

peakers

radiant frigate
#

magi

patent mango
#

ludwig

radiant frigate
#

loremasters

#

bladesingers

patent mango
#

guiding moonlight

radiant frigate
#

true mentor

patent mango
#

gonna be hilarious to see psyker player counts double

radiant frigate
#

(it's just current psykers playing psyker twice as much)

patent mango
#

(more than twice)

minor wedge
#

I btw am at this point fully convinced that 17% toughness curios are a myth

#

Have not seen even ONE

#

in weeks

patent mango
#

yeah we made them up the ones people have are given by devs to content creators

clear heath
#

just spend like 40k rolling curios at melk's

minor wedge
#

OH right

#

I keep forgetting you can roll mystery curious

#

o.o

thorn cedar
#

its really all melk coins are good for now

clear heath
#

it's not like you need his currency for anything else

#

go wild

thorn cedar
#

just make sure youre max level first

minor wedge
#

Yeah

#

My psyker is my new main after I used to onetrick zealot since launch, then took like a LONG break.

#

And now I've also discovered how fun ogryn can be.

#

Vet I have not realy gotten into yet.

#

Feels.... off

ornate abyss
#

Does anyone have a good build for purgatus and/or electrokinetic staff?

#

for aruicz

minor wedge
#

Recently did a maelstrom mission with a few friends, all of us ogryns, Mods were Mutie hordes and double hounds

#

VERY fun

#

XDD

#

Every 2 seconds something came charging

hearty laurel
clear heath
#

blasphemy

#

illisi is the strongest...

hearty laurel
#

it is very strong, yes. but not strong enough.

hearty laurel
#

i've been craving a MELEE melee for psyker...

#

and here we are. 👁️

radiant frigate
hearty laurel
#

the melee psyker nodes are gonna be hitting different now

hearty laurel
#

on the throne these heretics are not ready for what i'm 'bout to do once i get my hands on that sword 😭🙏

minor wedge
#

I.... I like Deimos

radiant frigate
#

understandable

analog agate
#

Deimos will be there for you when our new shiny toy is nerfed on Tuesday

minor wedge
#

XD

#

Deimos with deflect is also realy cool in combination with that perk that turns blocks into peril

#

Gunners ? What gunners, lol?

hearty laurel
#

i'm looking forward to being able to behead gunners from a distance with the two handed sword

minor wedge
#

Beheading whole hordes you mean

#

^^

#

I cant wait to see the heads fly like fireworks

#

^^

hearty laurel
#

that too. 🌛

#

the cleave's about to be immaculate.

ornate abyss
jovial juniper
#

Even though shriek could deal with numbers

ornate abyss
#

what blessings /perks?

jovial juniper
#

Good old Flak + maniac/elites
Uncanny Slaughterer

patent mango
#

melee psyker steamhappy melee psyker steamhappy

ornate abyss
# jovial juniper

ah so the one on the left is purgy and the one on the right is electro?

ornate abyss
radiant frigate
#

Ye

late sapphire
radiant frigate
#

you can also make a purpose-built carapace unyielding deimos if you really do not like crushers/bulwarks/bosses

ornate abyss
#

do you guys prefer elites or maniacs?

thorn cedar
#

fuck it

#

im done fussing

#

its there

#

i gotta go to WORK NOW

#

THANKS FOR FUCKING UP MY IMAGE RESIZES REDDIT

ornate abyss
#

haha

#

nice

cosmic sigil
radiant frigate
#

perhaps i should give unyielding elites a shot on deimos

cosmic sigil
#

Elite + carapace if you really hate big bois

radiant frigate
#

(the bulwarks will tremble)

clear heath
#

Yeah I think mine had unyielding

#

bulwark racism is always acceptable

idle marsh
steel flame
ornate abyss
#

like on the force swords

#

inferno staff should have warp nexus yes? What about blaze away or anything else? How do psyker have blaze away when there is no magazine

strong gulch
#

Purg / inferno bis is nexus and blazeaway.

ornate abyss
#

bis ?

strong gulch
#

best in slot

#

Flak + pref and nexus + blaze away

ornate abyss
#

ah ok

#

what about on electrokinetic staff?

analog agate
#

Warp flurry/nexus for rmb build. Nexus/surge for lmb build

ornate abyss
analog agate
#

Atm, do surge/nexus on that build as it probably uses a mix of both.

ornate abyss
strong gulch
#

Most stave have nearly the same build on the left side of the tree with small differences.

They are essentially a shriek (with creeping flames) spam build.

strong gulch
analog agate
north hatch
#

Can extended weapon customization cause fps drops?

spice flame
#

@plucky flax found your alt

#

bistol

radiant frigate
#

so close! but that's not actually a gent chaos

#

that's a lady order

spice flame
#

Yeah unfortunate

#

They did well tho

#

Ok took me a minute.

analog agate
marble crater
spice flame
#

kat Rn

patent mango
#

if force gs isnt peak we riot 🔥

waxen jackal
#

Hey y'all, I started leveling my last staff. The electro staff. How are you supposed to play it? Horde clear, elite or both?

spice flame
#

Elite

#

Horde clear is terrible on Elektro

north hatch
#

Blurfhhh I have to level up my zealot and my ogryn if I wanna play with their new toys

spice flame
#

that

jovial juniper
#

Since EK normally builds some good amount of peril

hearty laurel
#

what's the dump stat for the heavy sword? 🤔 (i'm using headtaker and deathblow)

north hatch
#

Defense I think

spice flame
#

Defense indeed

waxen jackal
radiant frigate
spice flame
#

I know I'm the new one here but still, seein Kat feels weird everytime since, well

marble crater
#

I hope it's peak

analog agate
#

Since what

spice flame
#

Since I'm also Kat, on DT, and on a lot of other games

#

usually

north hatch
#

Now you must fuse into one being

plucky flax
radiant frigate
#

HOWEVER

#

i think i saw you as i was coming back from a mission one time

#

on the mourningstar

primal plume
#

I wish this was cool

spice flame
#

uh

primal plume
#

Rather

radiant frigate
#

it was a "wtf" kind of experience

primal plume
#

i iwsh it was good

#

because it sounds cool

north hatch
#

If it procced

primal plume
#

I just wish they made it better. I used it once and never saw an explosion

radiant frigate
#

it should explode everything and not just elites psyker_chaos

spice flame
#

Not a ton of Kat out there sooo, probably

#

What's even the radius and damage of said explosion

north hatch
#

Huh so part of extended weapon customization was causing fps drops

#

For me

radiant frigate
#

observe

spice flame
north hatch
#

Yeah that's what it was

spice flame
north hatch
#

I also read something about scoreboard causing memory leaks but that was from a while ago

spice flame
#

Hello

radiant frigate
#

hello :)

north hatch
spice flame
#

Nope

north hatch
#

Oh

#

I forgot who that was

spice flame
#

But I remember seing this today yeah

#

Age made me forget

#

and forget age made me

radiant frigate
#

no way

#

me too

primal plume
#

This doesnt work for Fire Staff I think

#

It works for the charge, but channeling the fire still slows you

radiant frigate
#

but it slows you less

primal plume
#

i cant notice a difference

#

then again i never use fire staff

radiant frigate
#

nor do i

olive ember
#

Oh when did focused channeling do that

radiant frigate
#

i also have never used this blessing

olive ember
#

thats cool I guess

radiant frigate
#

crafting rework

spice flame
#

I never realized that I was SO TINY