psyker-class

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[tacit stump]

steals the ammo away

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-40k-spacemarine2-heresy-heretic-gif-15781539930698202487

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-tos-apollo-zap-shock-gif-18131306

[tacit stump]

atleast no smyker

[echo root]

Smyker makes my brain smooth out

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cast-manual-breathing-wizard-gif-5578822657057637630

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-bowling-bowls-sport-tenpin-bowling-bowling-alley-gif-27397941

https://tenor.com/view/explode-explosion-boom-gif-5426054992239744352

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/running-explosion-gif-21340471

[nocturne dust]

real depiction of my accuracy with trauma

[echo root]

I feel like such a god gamer when hitting long range stuff with that staff.

My main issue is I never use LMB with that staff

Wasting so much peril and time on RMB when a mob has 1/5 left

[tacit stump]

try to hit enemies on a platform above

thats funky

[echo root]

Yeah that's not something you can do quickly or consistently

[nocturne dust]

Hey, Niko, it's your cousin. Why don't you take me bo-

https://youtu.be/zxMLVlspD1Y

[thorn cedar]

I spent two hours typing up a Smite post just to delete it

It's hard to preempt counterarguments in an essay without simply writing "wrong, idiot"

[zinc phoenix]

What was it in response to?

[thorn cedar]

not a response, just a full on dissertation lmao

[weary crane]

If gunpsyker had consume no las ammo on crit then i would consider it

[thorn cedar]

((40 x T) + 20) x WDB is the formula I came up with for Smite damage

And I used the fact that a naked Smite with no Peril perks (no -Gen, no Shriek, etc.) can only last 6 seconds to show which breakpoints Smite can actually reach (its not many)

the problem is i fucken know people are gonna mention seeing and using Smite to 'melt elite waves' when actually almost 80% of that is just Soulblaze

So it my post kept spiraling out of scope

It's sort of like how long it took to get people to understand that bleed damage on combat knives is not, in fact, doing all your damage.

There's so many secondary ideas that need to be disabused to make the correct point.

[ornate hamlet]

It's also usually pointless because nobody likes giving anyone ground on internet arguments

[thorn cedar]

That's why I don't wanna just call them dumdums, I want to actually make it informative. But it's a lot to take in.

[ornate hamlet]

It's why I approach things in a more... informative way, I suppose

I say what I want to say, maybe say new stuff if the person's replies remind me of said new stuff

[thorn cedar]

Like Venting Shriek + EP Smite is such a dumb combo. It's so dumb lmao.

[ornate hamlet]

Then when I realize I'm going to start repeating myself, I stop because it means I said everything I needed to say

I'm not going to repeat myself to an idiot online because I know the idiot will not engage with anything

It's not as therapeutic as telling the person to shove a tree up their ass, but oh well

Win some, lose some

[paper harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/electro-nwh-lightning-gif-25291301

[thorn cedar]

This would all be so much easier if FatShark fixed Smite themselves.

[shell spoke]

Biggest counter argument thats indisputable is you need to spend 6 skill points on your blitz just to have it still be worse than a staff with no skill points at all

[ornate hamlet]

To be fair, one of the biggest selling points of psyker blitzes is sort of being a 3rd weapon

[thorn cedar]

Yes, it's ridiculous how many people overcommit points into Smite when Shriek Flames + Perilous Combust literally already does all the work for you

[ornate hamlet]

Moodsies

[shell spoke]

Blitz’s are more situational tools than weapons

[thorn cedar]

Wasting six seconds buillding up Perils on Smite just to Shriek is like ... I don't even have a good metaphor.

[ornate hamlet]

So are weapons, in a way

[shell spoke]

Not really

[ornate hamlet]

I know for sure I wouldn't want to use my IAG to snipe a target I could assail instead

[thorn cedar]

Nah everything is a tool.

Melee is the only one that's always free.

[ornate hamlet]

Assail also blends hordes and I'm not spending ammo on that from my IAG

On the other hand, I'm 100% not throwing assail on a boss

[paper harbor]

smite use like a taser, sometime telsa chain

[shell spoke]

One M2 from a trauma staff or inferno staff does exactly what smite does but better and faster lol

[paper harbor]

you're not gonna smite higher tier enemy

to death

[thorn cedar]

Oh maybe you won't. But people do lmao

[paper harbor]

[runic bear]

smite is meant to stop a horde to let the other people do the hacking and slashing

[thorn cedar]

And they're very convinced that it's both useful and high DPS

[ornate hamlet]

I don't want to stop the horde, I want to kill it

[shell spoke]

Why stop the horde lol? It’s the least threatening thing in the whole game

[paper harbor]

i like smite pox and groan when they grouping up

[ornate hamlet]

I crave violence

[paper harbor]

elite would be i need some team kill it fast while im smiting

[mossy oyster]

nothing is important

[runic bear]

it's more of a "support" ability anyway :-D

[mossy oyster]

next vesture soyker gets a good chest piece

only thing thats important

end game drip

[paper harbor]

using DS stab mauler head or crusher

[late yew]

4 psykers

[paper harbor]

is thing i do

[thorn cedar]

Smite is just not made for damage, full stop. And EP Smite is only going to be able to kill the weakest shit in the game, and most of that only happens if you're overusing it.

[paper harbor]

THE SOYKA

[ornate hamlet]

To me smite is what would happen if zealot's stun grenade was essentially infinite

[thorn cedar]

Like I can convince people that the Stagger effects are strong and valuable and to consider focusing on only stopping threats and then releasing i

[paper harbor]

ill be relieve if they brought stun grenade on elite horde

[thorn cedar]

But how do I bust the myth of "smite does a lot of damage"

That's a different trap

[ornate hamlet]

Smite's "damage" comes from its cleave more than its actual damage numbers, which also is the exact same factor that explains why people blending poxwalker hordes often end up topscoring on the scoreboard mod

[paper harbor]

i wondering do you ever smite elite horde? @thorn cedar

[zinc phoenix]

it might be quicker to start by diagramming where the damage is coming from and then write up a short explanation of that

[paper harbor]

some sticky situation

[ornate hamlet]

If memory doesn't fail me, reapers have 3800 health

And a poxwalker has 375

[thorn cedar]

I do Smite elites. For like a second lmao.

[zinc phoenix]

dont try to counter all points, just make it easy to see what the point is

[ornate hamlet]

You kill 10 poxwalkers, you kill a reaper

[paper harbor]

yeah i do that, i smite at first to stagger them then swap to DS

[ornate hamlet]

How many poxwalkers do we kill in a match compared to reapers?

[shell spoke]

If you talk about damage you gotta compare it to other things that also do damage, which it comes at the bottom of the barrel

[thorn cedar]

Yeah that's the thing, cause everyone says their Smite does damage, they show me what's inside the box that is their build, and it's oops all Soulblaze every fucken time

[shell spoke]

Thats honestly it’s best use throw on the ground them bully with melee or staff

[ornate hamlet]

I actually "tested" it, and uh

One maxed venting shriek kills a poxwalker horde

You can literally build peril, shout and go away

They die on their own

[paper harbor]

of course im not the smyker that smite everything

i know how to utilize it

then zealot pep just bullied me for playing psyker

[thorn cedar]

Yes, six stacks of soulblaze kills everything weaker than a Scab Stalker by itself

Which is two Perilous triggers

Three already means you have outputted more DPS than ten seconds of Smite

[paper harbor]

i feel kill elite trigger soulblaze doesn't feel good

[thorn cedar]

So three shots of your Revolver

Has done more than you annoying your entire team ever could

[paper harbor]

even wild fire talent like ehh

[plucky flax]

😮

[thorn cedar]

Wildfire is fine. It's entirely appreciable horde damage and it has tree synergy for your kit

[paper harbor]

how ever theres one middle right side tree that give crit on soulblaze kill

[thorn cedar]

It's not wiping shit off the map solo but it does good work and keeps procs going

[paper harbor]

i think that used on my purg staff

[thorn cedar]

ye that one kinda sucks

[paper harbor]

really?

[thorn cedar]

wish it refreshed

yea

[paper harbor]

the killing soulblaze give crits suck

okay then

how?

[shell spoke]

Just as an example here is an EP venting smite psyker vs a surge staff psyker (me)

[echo root]

Any class can kill the horde in seconds

[thorn cedar]

you can only regain the crit chance after it runs out, cant refresh the stack

so there are weird and seemingly random dead times

[paper harbor]

that's why it need little buff

[runic bear]

yeah but you do know that elites also walk with that horde? and they also get stopped? :D

[paper harbor]

understandable

[plucky flax]

Wildfire and pc so good on burga

[echo root]

Name one elite that survives dueling sword heavy attack

[tacit stump]

wildfire positioning is pain you need to take bb

[echo root]

[shell spoke]

Why do elites “need to be stop” is it for your benefit or the teams?

[plucky flax]

Take kf with burga

[echo root]

You take bb for burgatus anyways

[plucky flax]

It's really good

[runic bear]

it is a benefit since the headshot damage peeps can kill said elites :D

[rough cedar]

what perks should i get on inferno staff?

[tacit stump]

what if i want assail instead

[echo root]

Blaze Away + Nexus

[plucky flax]

Flak unyielding

[runic bear]

or is getting to the top of the scoreboard mod the end goal?

[shell spoke]

You can headshot them while they move ya know

[runic bear]

and not the actual teamwork

[plucky flax]

That is certainly a goal

[ornate hamlet]

"It's boring" is my #1 reason

[paper harbor]

im the old schooler nexus and flurry

[echo root]

No, but slowing the game to a halt by channeling smite is extremely boring

[shell spoke]

Winning the match is the most important

[plucky flax]

I beg you please go blaze away

It's op man

[echo root]

Heresy

[paper harbor]

yeah yeah i know that

[thorn cedar]

Smite is teammwork in the same way that locking out the enemy football team from the stadium can win the superbowl

[tacit stump]

i dislike smykers sometimes they slow stuff down

[echo root]

Smyker when 2 horde mobs approach

[patent mango]

teamwork will be 4 psykers all with force greatsword

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/moiraine-damodred-channeling-weaves-magic-wheel-of-time-gif-22942595

[tacit stump]

or they don't do anything else

[paper harbor]

EK and smite

[runic bear]

the amount of sweat in this chat sometimes beats how much is at an actual gym :D

[paper harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/electro-nwh-lightning-gif-25291301

https://tenor.com/view/robozz-electro-man-electro-gif-14636392030153133537

[shell spoke]

This is why people can’t have genuine discussions lol

[patent mango]

do you see gifs of lightning at gym too

[plucky flax]

Some of us have over 1k hours and can only feel any gratification from doing 1 Mil damage in 30 mins

[thorn cedar]

https://youtu.be/OT1xC1bzDJs?si=101lEYRjHckp6syZ

like this is how id prefer smite be played

[patent mango]

smite doesnt linger sadly

[thorn cedar]

and outside of stunning key targets and releasing afterwards the damage is simply dogshit

[ornate hamlet]

I'd be in favour of turning smite RMB into a shock bolt similar to the shock maul special

You launch it at an enemy or a small group, they get shocked for X seconds

[thorn cedar]

so if we arent mainlining smite like its a primary weapon then what can we do with it

and the answer is not much

[ornate hamlet]

LMB stays the goated instant swap interrupt it is currently

dogbless

[patent mango]

both sides of talent tree

[thorn cedar]

like without EP smite doesnt even reliably stack up Malefic Momentum

and with EP Smite it can only do that against anything weaker than a Dreg Bruiser

everything else people attribute to Smite is soulblaze damage

[shell spoke]

People who love EP smite for damage should just try trauma staff it does the same thing but 10x better while killing armor and elites

[thorn cedar]

the other trap is with my equation, because people will punch in their numbers and assume ((40 x 6) + 20) x 3 = 780 damage over the entire smite means they do that much damage to ALL targets they hit

But they only do that full damage to the first people they hit

Everything else gets hit by smite later

It's incredibly diminishing returns

So shorter smites and more efficient than long smites

Unless you're emotionally attached to your EP stacks

[quartz barn]

Thats the whole point?

[thorn cedar]

Is it? Is that what you've seen?

[paper harbor]

i think i have EP on it

with EK and smite

[quartz barn]

Get ep stack, use smite, smite cast kills elite and gives new stack, repeat

[thorn cedar]

EP Smite doesn't kill a single Elite

[paper harbor]

guess can kill horde faster

[echo root]

You kill every horde mob onscreen with Venting Shriek.....

[paper harbor]

i dont have the fire thingy on it

[echo root]

and you'll get VS back + 6 stacks of Warp Charges if you run wildfire and in fire reborn

[paper harbor]

[echo root]

I have never heard such heresy

[paper harbor]

i means i used on purg

just make sense for my own build

[austere warren]

Ep smite can definitely kill elites. Personally wouldn't rely on smite to do it unless I just got a huge mob to shut down that happens to have elites in it.

[paper harbor]

on ek and smite is different

crusher be weakness

[quartz barn]

Ds4

[paper harbor]

i had it

[quartz barn]

Or just use smite anyway and the team will kill them

[patent mango]

i wonder when fatshark will release weapon blog

maybe friday

[paper harbor]

i use ds4 instead deimos because EK are not CC stuff, but smite i want use it but i don't wanna get discriminate from it.

[thorn cedar]

EP Smite does not kill a single Elite. You need maximum -Peril gen talents to hold a single Smite click to kill just Shotgunners (the weakest Elite) or Venting Shriek, and Shriek Flames does more damage than EP Smite in a fraction of the time.

[austere warren]

Ignore every crybaby bitch that moans about it.

It literally makes playing the game infinitely better.

[patent mango]

i keep forgetting i have smite equipped honestly

[austere warren]

Like straight up, stop holding internet nerds' whinging above your own interests.

[patent mango]

though i only have it for cdr and malefic momentum

[quartz barn]

I dont really understand this point tbh

[compact cargo]

Attention psykers
Trauma in your area

[austere warren]

They gonna be fine, play ya game

[plucky flax]

Use your surge staff on it

[paper harbor]

oh literally there guy said smite make gameplay boring because horde is stopping

[paper harbor]

multiple-crusher/maulers*

[quartz barn]

"If i dont have a setup for the ability you're supposed to build around it sucks"

[austere warren]

They can run at the enemy. It's not like they can't interact too lmao.

[paper harbor]

yeah i would go DS4 instead

[plucky flax]

Yes.

I kill crushers bulwarks maulers packs with surge staff right click and creeping flames

[thorn cedar]

"You can easily build a weapon at home with a roll of tape, some bubble gum, and a functioning Glock 17" vibes

[paper harbor]

human sized elite like shotgunner, ragers definitely smite to stun then swap melee finish off

[compact cargo]

Wut SMITE

Why

[paper harbor]

if is few of them, i would use EK

[compact cargo]

Just kill em

[paper harbor]

but hey, most time you got your team already killed elite

[compact cargo]

Only times I've had to use smite is 9+ bulwarks/crushers with specials

[plucky flax]

You need to trust your staff more.

[paper harbor]

they throw krak, and FotF at them

[compact cargo]

And no trauma*

[austere warren]

Yeah, it's not like you can't make your own choices while doing shit.

It's like, actually some teenager posturing shit that some people can't help themselves over when smite comes into the conversation.

[plucky flax]

Surge staff can do anything

[compact cargo]

Boss damage?

[paper harbor]

probably level 14 mastery rn

[compact cargo]

Not blow up flamer?

[austere warren]

You can just push em down and run enemies through, you have plenty of time lmao.

[paper harbor]

i need better blessing tier

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[paper harbor]

they are tier 3 rn

[quartz barn]

Proper staff enjoyers

[patent mango]

surge staff boss dmg is decent

[compact cargo]

Enlighten me, how do we boss damage on surge

[patent mango]

lightning

[paper harbor]

Oh i did try M2 on boss

it did meh

[thorn cedar]

left click face

[compact cargo]

It's mediocre

[paper harbor]

but i got some contribution

[patent mango]

it does the job

[paper harbor]

500 dmg per charge attack that's alrgiht

nothing crazy

[compact cargo]

It's BAD

[paper harbor]

then bolter zealot just came out magdump

[austere warren]

you didn't die and you did some kind of dmg to a monstrosity. You're fine. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[patent mango]

i usually just deimos h2 spam on bosses

[paper harbor]

i tried Heavy stab ds4 on Burgle

[patent mango]

burgle

[paper harbor]

is alright i feel

[austere warren]

And yeah, I go melee for psyker monstrosity damage unless I'm doing gun psyker shit..bonus points for scrier shenanigans.

[patent mango]

i also like fanning revolver since its cool

[paper harbor]

everytme i play game im hoping not get my fps dropping

[patent mango]

good boss dmg on it

[paper harbor]

during horde i would downed myself

fps when like 40-50

[patent mango]

im wondering if force gs boss dmg will be good

[compact cargo]

We can pray

[echo root]

Krak is also haram

Krak grenade is so underwhelming, except on bosses.

[patent mango]

when does psyker get warp nades

[austere warren]

Voidstrike good enough

[echo root]

I love the idea of Krak, but half the time I throw it whatever I threw it at is already dead or dying before the grenade explodes.

[austere warren]

Exploding sphere that can turn ovular

Basically a grenade.

[patent mango]

lol yea we have so much cara dmg nowadays

[paper harbor]

( i know ya gonna ask me "Why you didn't take creeping flame")

[patent mango]

why didnt you take the forcehammer

[austere warren]

If that's what you wanna do, go for it.

Tweak as you go.

[patent mango]

new update reveal doing numbers 🔥

[paper harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1308743544369840198/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.20_-_04.34.34.07.mp4?ex=673f0de8&is=673dbc68&hm=467a3ffcc342449887d95fc8135d11ef7cf414c7e18136e92c5bfc87b9080005&

[echo root]

No upgrade for Venting Shriek is really stupid

[paper harbor]

already did

[echo root]

Like why

[patent mango]

no way

[plucky flax]

I dunno just zap the monsters
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1305814320243933274/image.png?ex=673ef1da&is=673da05a&hm=c76be87fa06fee8b532265a65afd74c6b9837c6a4071b91caf119945dc8c8c26&

[paper harbor]

oh wait, my purg staff build is on shield dome, and my artillery barrage staff has creeping flames

[patent mango]

i always get so lost in these scoreboards

[jovial juniper]

[paper harbor]

nvm i dont have on it

[pine relic]

Does surge works on surge staff's secondary attack?

[patent mango]

no

[plucky flax]

Just showing my monster damage on surge staff right click

[echo root]

Here, this is a proper smite monkey build.

[plucky flax]

For people saying it doesn't do damage.

[late yew]

Warp flurry + Rending Shockwave vs Blazing + Nexus on trauma?

[patent mango]

it does reasonable boss dmg yea

[echo root]

Blazing + Nexus, make sure to take In Fire Reborn and Wildfire.

[paper harbor]

this staff is very old

i haven't unlock tier 4 perk yet

[thorn cedar]

That's just a Soulblaze build

[paper harbor]

is still underlevel

[jovial juniper]

Rare Rupture Pull

[paper harbor]

bad?

[echo root]

Wildfire and In Fire Reborn gives you insane warp charges uptime

[plucky flax]

@compact cargo see screenshot above. You just need to surge the monsters more.

[jovial juniper]

Compared to Creeping? Yeah
Apparently there's damage fall off on those 100-200 plus that's not enough damage to kill trash swiftly

[paper harbor]

:boowomp:

[bleak maple]

Is EP better than WS for smite?

[late yew]

have you tried the other option?

Rending shockwave seems hella good

[austere warren]

Are you trying to increase smite kill potential? Go EP.

Are you trying to have faster access to your ultimate? Take WS.

[late yew]

Als owhat is Fire Reborn

[echo root]

It really only does something against crushers

[jovial juniper]

Damage wise yeah

[bleak maple]

Nah just saw the smite monkey build and was curious about it

[paper harbor]

so how bad is perilous combustion?

[jovial juniper]

If you pick WS then you rely on cycling your ability

[patent mango]

peak

[bleak maple]

Is the damage output worth the longevity of WS -36% peril

[late yew]

bruh

[paper harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-neutron-sodium-chloride-cloruro-de-sodio-hmm-thinking-gif-17745370

[bleak maple]

Nah the team one is better

[austere warren]

Noticeably so if you're using your venting shriek to abuse blitz or have more cc available to yourself.

[echo root]

It looks pretty bad, but it doesn't respect the max cap

[thorn cedar]

In a word, no.

[late yew]

that's way worse than Psychic Vampire

[patent mango]

its uh really strong

[bleak maple]

Smite as killing tool

[paper harbor]

so is infinitely stack

[bleak maple]

[echo root]

In Fire Reborn looks terrible, but it's every single mob that dies WHILE ON FIRE

It's not "Every mob that dies to the fire damage"

[bleak maple]

I would rather take a crusher head on that deal with offensive smite

[echo root]

Hence Wildfire + Venting Shriek + In Fire Reborn

[late yew]

here the thing, i take shield

[austere warren]

Yeah, I misread. If you want it to kill shit, run ep and some soul blaze whatever and you get to do it. Not hard. Not insanely stellar but it does actually do shit.

[bleak maple]

Just electrokentic spam

[late yew]

because shriek is lame

[patent mango]

thats literally just stabbing them like twice

[echo root]

Shield is fine, but it doesn't scale as well as Shriek

[jovial juniper]

Well if you're going Warp Syphon Smite make sure to get a Wave of whatever mission
It'll proc Psy Aura and give shit ton of Warp Charges

[bleak maple]

Soul blaze aoe staff or brittle aoe staff are usually what I bring with a smite focused build

[paper harbor]

why you're confident to say something that people consider ineffective?

[bleak maple]

Gets boring doing only smite

Lemme purge the hoard thanks

[austere warren]

Because I don't care about discord shits and play the game just as much when I can.

[paper harbor]

[bleak maple]

If you're playing only meta are you really playing the game?

[austere warren]

People like to act like these are world shattering self-sabotage builds. It's really not.

[paper harbor]

You're like what i do "challenge the impossible" with bad build

[austere warren]

No

[bleak maple]

Lmao I still love seeing a vet leave because someone was using a revolver

[echo root]

There's nothing wrong with Smite, it's just boring to play and does worse dps than using your staves properly.

[patent mango]

how

[paper harbor]

zealot and veteran known people i met just having anseryum on my build i shown to them

[austere warren]

There's a difference between workable builds and builds that are like, actively fighting against you while you're trying to perform. I don't endorse the latter.

[paper harbor]

right

[late yew]

Do you take Empyric Resolve too, or does it interfere too much with getting peril for shriek?

[bleak maple]

Idk they just left cause they saw someone with a revolver, said it in chat

[austere warren]

But I don't ignore all the other ways to play the game.

[patent mango]

thats funny

[echo root]

I don't take Empyric resolve on Purgatus. I do take it on/off on the other staves to experiment.

[austere warren]

And, for me, i can genuinely care less about the minmax obsessed. If i want to measure myself in a game, I'm genuinely not playing a coop pve game lmao

[bleak maple]

Smite is a support tool, mainly for carrying bad teammates cause they're fresh 30s in aurics

[compact cargo]

Idk scoreboards don't provide much to me after the veteran debacle

[echo root]

1v1 no items fox only final destination

[austere warren]

You can just bully an entire room with smite. It's genuinely not difficult and people that shit themselves over in game are literally some of the worst players I've ever teamed up with.

[late yew]

I am more curious about Blazing trauma

[austere warren]

It's like having a piss fit over some knife zealot. Get over yourself.

[bleak maple]

Also a great support tool for when someone goes down but nobody is aware of that so they just keep killing instead of picking up the dude on the ground

[thorn cedar]

How long can a Psyker Smite before your eyes roll

[austere warren]

Don't care, I'm killing what's smited lmao

[paper harbor]

i met level 25 smyker doing smite a lot by the time

[thorn cedar]

No you do. There's an answer there for you.

[bleak maple]

I mean I like a good Smite user, some just don't know how it works and don't abuse it

[austere warren]

🙄

Just play the bloody game.

[paper harbor]

also a mic user

it did alright

😄

[late yew]

When i take smite i use surge staff 90% of the time

and use smite against hordes and big elite groups sometimes

[bleak maple]

Actually the only time I don't like Smite users are when they can't defend themselves

[austere warren]

Tunneling hard on smite can get you fucked up is about it. That and not being proactive between uses. Not like you can't just whip out the two other whole ass options you have to address whatever.

So it's a learning curve that the player just has to understand eventually.

[echo root]

60% cleave on DS, 60% quell on staff. This is what I run currently.

EDIT: forgot blessings on the sword, you can pick any combination of Precognition / Agile / Riposte / Thrust / Uncanny Strikes (my least fav)

[bleak maple]

Some players just forget they can kill and struggle with a basic patrol

[austere warren]

Let em do whatever. They'll learn eventually. /shrug

I also just communicate when I can about something in the heat of shit, use pings, etc.

[bleak maple]

Oh yeah let them explore and learn why they died

[paper harbor]

oh it's looks like i already put blaze away and warp nexus on it

[austere warren]

Someone got netted? I type "focus net pls" boom, they get net.

[bleak maple]

If I go down I try and ping any specials nearby

[austere warren]

Shit is getting a little spicy and stuff is falling apart? "Focus horde and disablers" etc.

[paper harbor]

i have trouble trying avoid enemies, like nobody dealing elite/specialist; truth is i am silent to it.

[bleak maple]

Info is important when someone goes down

[paper harbor]

as once time i got surrounded by scab and elite then shotgun forcing me do the dance

got me killed :(

[bleak maple]

Had an auric mission and two people went down behind so I ran back and the guy in front didn't follow, so they died and then left

[paper harbor]

i was seperated not too far

sad

darktide mentality

[austere warren]

I usually just mark the elite in question. I'm always more worried about shooters than melee elites (unless it's just a carapace brigade or rager mosh pit) so I focus on them first and just herd the horde around me when I know I'm being targeted.

The AI in this game is very easy to exploit and elevation/anything that forces them to path differently is easy to notice and cycle.

[echo root]

Once you have a lot of diamantine you should reroll one with 60% Warp Res so you can spam Shriek more

[bleak maple]

I'll never understand why people keep running off when people go down

[austere warren]

Clutches become extremely easier when you know how to manipulate mobs

[bleak maple]

Sure they'll spawn ahead but can you beat the hoard?

[thorn cedar]

Man. I dodged a Crusher overhead by dodging off a ledge and he still caught me with it in mid air lmao

[paper harbor]

too much stuff to do, i got ogryn weapon need retweak, then veteran

i put the purg on hold

[echo root]

Yeah there's no rush

[thorn cedar]

just something im still salty about four days later

i nearly had that clutch too

[bleak maple]

My favourite is jumping down on the assassination missions and getting sniped mid fall

[paper harbor]

speaking diamantine 🧌

[austere warren]

Hidden Art: Fatshark hit detection

[thorn cedar]

You lose your iframes when you're in midair

[paper harbor]

you got brain to know AI behavior, I still think is Rng spawn

[bleak maple]

Them crushers can turn on a dime and it's scary when you see it happen

[thorn cedar]

So the problem is that I dodged it perfectly. AAAAHHH

[echo root]

Yooooo

[austere warren]

Oh, i didn't actually know that. Makes sense though

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-scrooge-mcduck-money-rich-gif-14161225

[paper harbor]

that was bug people abuse refund mats back in day

[echo root]

That demon woman looks scary, who drew her?

[paper harbor]

that's the troll

not daemon

[austere warren]

Trust me, I don't understand a lot about this game I've just been gorilla mode this entire time and learned what does what after bashing my head against the wall like vt2.

[paper harbor]

few map i know camp spawning enemies

[bleak maple]

Tbh glad to see the game is actually getting a lot of work done on it now

[austere warren]

I crack open these little excel chart guides every now and again to understand very specific things off the numbers and that's it. Everything else is primarily by feel.

[bleak maple]

Still wish the over classes had more filler nodes like the psyker talent tree

[quartz barn]

Always has been getting a lot of work

But it was simply underbaked on launch

[bleak maple]

I joined during the psyker rework was it last October?

[paper harbor]

yeah i've seen it

[echo root]

You can only have a certain amount of mobs attacking you at once

[paper harbor]

i watched

[echo root]

Oh you're a gamer then

[paper harbor]

i was means like enemies spawn

[thorn cedar]

This is why I want to make my Smite post, actually. It's also why I asked you that question earlier. The vibes check with Smite is genuinely "how long can someone Smite before teammates go from appreciative to annoyed" and working to figure out what Smite can reasonably accomplish in that window.

[paper harbor]

location

[thorn cedar]

And then gearing advice appropriately.

[quartz barn]

You shouldnt use teammates as a baseline

Ever

[austere warren]

I don't recognize nor acknowledge any vibe check shit when I play and got a smite psyker. I genuinely just see all of this game as part of the soup. Whatever someone is doing is whatever they're doing and we're on the team so fuck it we ball.

[bleak maple]

Lmao team mates can either be gods at the game or straight up ammo hungry 25% accuracy vets

[quartz barn]

Ive legit had people complain when all 4 used solo carry builds and steamrolled

Because they couldnt pop off properly

[thorn cedar]

No shit some opinions suck LOL

[quartz barn]

No thats a good point what

Its why lowman runs exist

[thorn cedar]

If your baseline is "never use smite" or "i dodge the match as soon as i see it" those are not opinions to build around

[quartz barn]

Its also the exact reason why ep smite is disliked

[austere warren]

I'll just say it: ep smite is disliked because there's more of a need to build a personality around hating it than anything else.

[quartz barn]

Meanwhile regular smite is disliked because youre legit playing a 3 man at that point

[austere warren]

Same as the hate towards knife zealots or whatever.

Its just tree house clout logic. Dumb as hell.

[bleak maple]

I've had mixed opinions when using smite, back stab zealots love it as well as team players, but solo sweats often hate it

[tacit stump]

knife zealot rushers are obnoxious

[echo root]

The main reason people hate knife zealot is because it attracts the worst kind of players in terms of skill and mentality.

Source: I play knife zealot.

[quartz barn]

Same

[bleak maple]

Knife zealot imo is fun because it's just rip and tear till its done

[austere warren]

The entire community has an issue with being shitters honestly, knfie zealots are just an easy target.

[quartz barn]

Bad knife zealots dont do anything and use invis as a crutch

[echo root]

On one hand knife zealot attracts the ultratryhards with excel sheets, but it also attacts the people who think stealth is the best game mechanic in every game the play.

[thorn cedar]

I only hate when it's overused, and for me my magic number is four seconds. Unless there's like a revive to do or a net to cut, after four seconds I start to stare at you.

[bleak maple]

Some just have an issue with forgetting the team

[quartz barn]

Good ones wipe everything in front of them

[austere warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quartz barn]

Didnt help that invis used to de aggro demonhosts

[bleak maple]

Dash with knife bleed crit knife zealot

[quartz barn]

And would only leave after 2 deaths

[bleak maple]

I MISS WHEN DAEMONS WOULD TAKE MORE THAN ONE PERSON

[austere warren]

My favorite part is the being knife zealot that doesn't really flounder about and get some weirdo deflecting on to me when they literally can't handle themselves in a 4 man squad

Lol

[bleak maple]

They were actually a threat!

[thorn cedar]

Yea i also miss dhs being more deadly

[quartz barn]

So you would always get some dumbass who rushes in, attracts a dh, goes invis and leaves

[austere warren]

Idk how yall get these situations

[bleak maple]

Real

[thorn cedar]

i also miss when fire would delete your toughness

toughness is way too strong rn

[bleak maple]

Play too much

[quartz barn]

Og darktide

[bleak maple]

Also play lvl 4 missions

[quartz barn]

Was super common

[austere warren]

I've been here dont worry

[bleak maple]

Lvl 4 missions have the most mixed bag of players

[young summit]

Standard Heresy is a hellscape

[austere warren]

I had more veterans and non-knife zealots shitting themselves than anything else.

[young summit]

Standard Damnation isn't much better

[thorn cedar]

i just see more shit

but unless youre like, straight up racist or something, i dont make stink ingame

not worth anybody's energy

[plucky flax]

That's me.

Had a guy ranting whilst I was solo clutching the game too

[bleak maple]

Imagine leaving when you die instead of watching the clutch of the day

[quartz barn]

Zealot clutch? 😴

[young summit]

Always cheer them on

[quartz barn]

Ogryn clutch?

[young summit]

VoC except through chat

[plucky flax]

Ogryn is too hard to clutch

[bleak maple]

Vet clutch

[plucky flax]

[austere warren]

The last time someone had some dumb shit to say to me, it was over me making sure I just scooped up plasterl and all that

Guy was then obsessed with my play (which was legit totally fine) the whole time to the point where dude blames me for * checks notes *

Being unable to dodge a single pox hound that was clear as day and literally being the reason why the collapse started.

I was the last to die after a burster got to burst.

[quartz barn]

Ogryn is the easiest clutch what

[plucky flax]

Wut

[quartz barn]

Just charge heavy and you cant die

[unreal wasp]

Hey I mean, same way I play for ~1000 hours and not know that the item giving mechanic exists in Darktide because it's a different key than it was in Vermintide and I've never seen anyone do it until about 1000 hours

[plucky flax]

Slow and can't deal with specials well

[jovial juniper]

Bully everything
Can't be knocked out of interactions

Unless hard knockback

[bleak maple]

Lmao posted it in the past with a vid but had some sweaty movement zealot get upset at my friend cause they were new to the game

Some players are toxic for no reason

[austere warren]

That's fair. I was just talking about some of shitheads you can run with in lobby.

I usually just leave when someone with some gross ass name or comment is in a match.

Sometimes I barrel them.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plucky flax]

Blame others never yourself

[bleak maple]

Barrel your friends, my favourite hobby to keep the game dangerous

[young summit]

We call that Deflector

[unreal wasp]

I don't even need to barrel my friends that own Darktide because they've barreled themselves. By not playing the game

[austere warren]

"It's your fault that I don't know how to handle this very easy situation that's even easier because I'm playing VoC. It's your fault I can't mash VoC to dodge one dog".

[echo root]

Only ever left one match after a teammate killed me twice by shooting poxbursters.

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-side-eye-whatever-eye-roll-gif-14234324

[bleak maple]

Sadge I just force my friends to play the game sometimes when I haven't seen them in a while

[echo root]

Might have left one match due to pizza arriving at the door, never seen enough toxic stuff to constitute a leave.

[bleak maple]

I am the darktide duolingo bird

[austere warren]

Grief warfare enriches the gaming experience.

[echo root]

USA?

[austere warren]

I got to learn about friendly fire in hd2 quite a lot.

Liberator concussive is an anti-helldiver primary. Guaranteed ragdoll, lower dmg so they don't die too quickly. Can just offer someone up to some bugs if they're being a problem during a mission.

Yk...in theory.

[queen fog]

How tasty did he look

[austere warren]

Can't speak to terminids, wouldn't know.

[tacit stump]

when i play knife zealot i stay normaly by the group but by gunner groups i rush forward and bind them.in meele or vanguard the heavy meele elites so my teammates have room to fight

[bleak maple]

Friendly fire damage used to be a thing didn't it?

[austere warren]

Nah

[tacit stump]

vermintide yes darktide no

[queen fog]

Vermintide still got it it’s just in champion difficulty and above

[bleak maple]

Was it never a thing?

[austere warren]

Never has in dt.

[unreal wasp]

As a DS4 Veteran I basically do the same thing

[patent mango]

fantastic frontier how

[tacit stump]

ds4 is the new knife

[queen fog]

Fantastic frontier where?

I know it ain’t this year cuz those nerds have given us nothing

[patent mango]

its true

never gonna update

[austere warren]

From dagger to saber. DexD20 activity

[raw tiger]

Unloading into the backside of our friendly ogryns is way too easy so that’s prob why FF is not in this game

[austere warren]

Finesse weapon, my darlings.

[tacit stump]

i normally play strengh weapons hammers, greatswords ,axes

[patent mango]

strongest friendly fire vet vs weakest ogryn rock

[austere warren]

Actually speaking of finesse, how do taxes feel on scrier/dd pyskers?

[patent mango]

fgreatsword will be finesse

[austere warren]

Strength build has merit and is genuinely hilarious most of the time.

[tacit stump]

i thought it was int or charisma

[bleak maple]

Ogryn rock makes mutants fly Idk if a vet would even be one piece

[patent mango]

its uhh resistance scaling

[patent mango]

they'd live with golden toughness tbh

[thorn cedar]

love em

[patent mango]

rock bounces off

[tacit stump]

beside in bethesda games there everyone goes stealth

[echo root]

I'm going to assume they pay taxes just like the rest of us. They probably feel just as bad/happy about it.

[patent mango]

taxes?

[tacit stump]

and in vermintide 2 i was a shade main

[bleak maple]

I'm taxing the warp

[austere warren]

Realistically, considering how strong that shit looks, it'd have the potential to get lodged somewhere, take off a limb, impact a cavity in the body, etc.

An ogryn slap should be enough to break a neck honestly.

[echo root]

(They are talking about Tactical Axes)

[jovial juniper]

Feels like a faster DS but without the burst damage of a DS

[patent mango]

oh lmao

[bleak maple]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-your-money-meme-flashlight-bright-money-flashlight-gif-1586706469445267857

[unreal wasp]

H o r g h, just waiting for 2h force sword so my armored up psyker has a big sword

[austere warren]

All three feel solid?

[patent mango]

my rogue trader psyker will finally have a worthy weapon

[thorn cedar]

an ogryn slap would be like when vegeta hit that punching machine before the tournament with his finger and it exploded violently

sorry i only know references before 9/11

[paper harbor]

the 7/11

[thorn cedar]

thats when you can only think in gas station hot dog metaphors, which woud be a fate worse than eating a gas station hot dog

[austere warren]

Fighting an ogryn as a normal human is like...probably the same as an amalgamated gorilla/polargrizzly bear chimera all at once. Hopefully, you die of shock or decapitation on the first swing.

[echo root]

Gas station hotdogs are not that bad here

[thorn cedar]

as far as the taxes go yea id say they all feel solid

[austere warren]

Mhm that's good.

[thorn cedar]

all three have their own vibe

i told u vibes are important

[jovial juniper]

We usually avoid the Mk4
The lights suck unless you can break space time continuum by clicking really fast

[thorn cedar]

MKIV is wrongly maligned

[austere warren]

Anything a little more unique with the blessings they can run or is it just the same like two or three blessing pairings?

[thorn cedar]

you can run them almost any way you want

[austere warren]

I genuinely like some of these more fun blessings you get in other weapons

[thorn cedar]

there's deffo no ignoring Brutal Momentum existing but

you dont HAVE TO use it, genuinely

[austere warren]

That's fine.

[echo root]

That's the most satisfying one tho

Chopping off 4 heads per swing

[tacit stump]

deimos > ds4

[jovial juniper]

Yeah Shred Headtaker is my go to

[echo root]

Headtaker + bromentum is really nice

[austere warren]

I played with the chained crit weakspot one and agile on my zealot.

That. Was silly.

Not super stellar in terms of damage. I could still drop most targets just fine but it was just.

[thorn cedar]

ye aint big on that one

the way id break them down

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-insanity-template-virtual-insanity-rearranging-furnitures-going-to-ohio-gif-27710296

The whole game.

But agreed on standards for tax on zealot is fine broadly speaking. Really easy, really noticeable, genuinely hilarious

[thorn cedar]

MKII = pure BruMo heavy attack spam, decent lights, worst special
MKIV = pure lights, specials are precise and direct (literally foreward and pinpoint), heavies and precise, i run ht + deci
MKVII = literally whatever you want because it mixes movesets from both the other taxes and once you learn its jank you can essentially achieve what both do

and then as psyker we get to think about warp splitter

[cosmic sigil]

that's why I use a taxe, nobody is ranting about opness

[austere warren]

I think it was the mk4 I liked most for tax because I though the special was funny.

[thorn cedar]

its the best special

two straight forward hits and then one overhead in a combo

[austere warren]

That shit works

[thorn cedar]

and theyre all fast

[austere warren]

Yup

[thorn cedar]

MKVII is one forward one overhead

slightly slowler

[cosmic sigil]

i chained stun 3 chargin muties today

[austere warren]

Tax off duelist is nutty.

[cosmic sigil]

it felt soooooo good

(it was a mutie train)

[thorn cedar]

MKIIs isnt even that "bad" really

like on a relative scale of all weapon specials

but compared to the other two taxes its slow as fuck

feels like an eternity waiting for my dude to flip the thing around and then swing it down

[cosmic sigil]

mk2 is mini rashad

yeah pretty much

and the pa +h1 is weird, it feels slower than 4 and 7

[thorn cedar]

yea you just wanna endlessly chain heavies

i find that boring af

MKIV tickles all the right autism receptors for me

[cosmic sigil]

i use mk7 on all characters, sometime I dabble in 4

I do feel safer using a taxe than a lot of other weapons, it's on par with the knife in that regard

[cold spruce]

been having a lot of fun with recon assail build

what would you say the highest damage build is

[thorn cedar]

scriers dd for sure

[jovial juniper]

Do you have any idea of how little that narrows it down?

[cold spruce]

whats dd

[jovial juniper]

Disrupt Destiny
Right side

[queen fog]

The keystone that gives enemies blue outlines

[thorn cedar]

find the bluemen. kill the bluemen.

[cold spruce]

oh yea I got that on now just shield instead if scryers

[thorn cedar]

shield is still very nice

[cold spruce]

feels like random scab shooters kill me so I went with that

[thorn cedar]

its not literally damage but it can let you do damage

i prefer the two walls if i have a gun

well actually just in general i prefer wall lmao

[queen fog]

I love placing down globe when my squadmate’s about to get his head shot off by a sniper

Feels nice to land those quick saves

[thorn cedar]

when you do it with the wall its pretty next level

thats a high you wanna chase

[queen fog]

I’ll consider it when I feel more confident in my wall placing, Ty for the info and perspective

[cold spruce]

ill try scryers out aparantly force sword blocks shots too so id just swap to that off dualing if I dont have shield

[queen fog]

force sword needs a blessing for that but ya it’s pretty handy

Also your push block with force sword is ranged to a degree, a solid almost 5-6 meters last I checked in meat grinder

[cold spruce]

the damage is there this was at like level 22

but I feel so squishy

[queen fog]

Squishy’s the psyker’s main thing

All that power in such a fragile form

[queen fog]

Waiter waiter more scab snipers

[cold spruce]

sanctuary node helps with that when shield drops

I guess just play better and dont take random zombie or scab backshots

[queen fog]

No matter the operator weird powers or not, everyones gotta learn to keep their back in check

[queen fog]

I know I’ve gotten knocked a fuck ton of times because I forget to check

[cold spruce]

I can take a random hit on my vet and its fine because of gold toughness at least psyker gets nuked just have to be extra careful

hows the force staff surge crit build

[cosmic sigil]

my fucking god

[frail spear]

this is not the laser tag I signed up for

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/ol7yGypmcZA.gif

[echo root]

@late yew Did you try fire trauma?

[plucky flax]

It's op

[echo root]

Is there even a real difference in how combat and tac axe plays?

[radiant frigate]

13 days until force greatsword siblings can you believe it

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-birthday-happy-birthday-steamhappy-it-is-steamhappys-birthday-celebrate-gif-16501936995160291780

[jovial juniper]

Combat is slow heavy hitting swings
Tactical is fast light hitting swings

Your wrist might end up noticing the difference kek

(or get the mod)

[plucky flax]

On zealot combat axe (rashad/antax) is just better.

[quartz barn]

Tac axe on vet with weapon specialist for more attack speed and wrist injuries

Also hopefully they also add another penance reward track with the next update

[cosmic sigil]

i do more dmg with my taxe tho :/

[plucky flax]

Play martyrdom rashad

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/chiquichico-gif-26004262

I did not say taxe does more dmg than a rashad, I am just saying my highest melee dmg ever on a sb was made with a taxe

[plucky flax]

Pogape

[cosmic sigil]

also, not a fan of rashad, i'd rather use an antax or an achlys

[echo root]

I use achys I think

Whatever the green beige one is called

[plucky flax]

Antax really cool push attack

[echo root]

Nice special as well

[thorn cedar]

antax is super fun to me, its slow and meditative lol

good vibe

[gilded jackal]

Am I the only one who like the look of the "low tier" psyker armor way more than the "high tier" ones?
The Blizzard pauldrons look stupid on a brainy glass canon character.

[thorn cedar]

yea the way it just piles on extra greebles like a mobile game character doesn't really do it for me

[gilded jackal]

Meanwhile the basic armors look nice and snazzy.
https://i.imgur.com/pRjAWaP.png

[thorn cedar]

i like the uniform look, but of course a savant psyker would say that

[marble crater]

I did the penance, damn right I will wear the bulky shoulders

[patent mango]

psyker needs a cape for backpack slot

that'd be peak

[gilded jackal]

Out of the big armors, this one is the only one I like. Mostly because of no pauldrons and cool arm tubes
https://i.imgur.com/zitrUFd.png

[thorn cedar]

ye i use that one

i picture the tubes channelin mah smite

[marble crater]

Same, use it for surge, just makes sense

[thorn cedar]

i also dress like a space pirate tho

[gilded jackal]

I'm trying to cosplay Idira from Rogue Trader with my character.

[patent mango]

to cosplay idira you need to explode every 1-5 spells

it'd be funny

[gilded jackal]

You put Idira into heavy armor and give her immunity to knockdown, then just exersize some social distancing and she'll murder everything for ever without any drawbacks.

I was using her on my latest Unfair playthrough and she was one of the MVPs

[late yew]

yes, why?

[patent mango]

ah they released images for heavy stubber and power gs

[echo root]

Did you like it?

You said you were curious about it

[marble crater]

Can you link the power sword?

[late yew]

i tried it long time ago

[patent mango]

ok

[late yew]

Although i did take a few talents that i never took before

[patent mango]

im just linking both tbh

[late yew]

I still don't see the appeal

[marble crater]

Thank you

[patent mango]

this means the 3rd power gs model in extended customizaton is missing still

unsure whats up with that one

[marble crater]

Stubber looks as expected

[analog agate]

The appeal is you are safe from all melee. You kill everything besides bosses. And you steal a ton of dmg from your teammates

[marble crater]

Power sword looks great, my zealot will get them for sure

[marble crater]

and you can make your own light in lights out missions

[analog agate]

It is the reason I don’t mind lights out. True

[patent mango]

just replace the pickaxe handle with a gigantic flashlight

[broken carbon]

the closest stubber looks almost like an autocannon

[late yew]

but you can do same with flurry traujma

may be even better

[marble crater]

Blaze trauma has a much bigger area where it will damage and kill enemies with the soulblaze compared to flurry trauma

[analog agate]

Small middle area is regular blast. Circle is blaze on top of it. Blaze is much better at covering more ground and whittling/down right killing the horde

[late yew]

Does it even matter when you can spam it with flurry 3 times faster?

[analog agate]

You know what. I will give a flurry/rending another go though. I haven’t done it since before the crafting update to get a perfect one

[marble crater]

It's not 3 times faster, is it?
Even then blaze covers a area that's more than 3 times the size, so you can focus your center damage on the big boys and the trash dies to fire and you don't need to focus them with your center explosion

[analog agate]

It is 25.5% faster

At full stacks

[autumn lark]

where did you find these?

[late yew]

It would be better if blaze was guaranteed, but it is 1/3 chance at best

[marble crater]

Would be OP then

But yes, let's do it. Buff blaze trauma please

[patent mango]

forum post for update

[bleak tusk]

Can someone link a good smite build 🙂

[marble crater]

A build that uses smite a one of their main components for damage or just a good build that has smite?

[bleak tusk]

Always one person

I literally joined here yesterday, don’t u checked the general chat? Talking about builds then I came here to ask don’t be salty

[marble crater]

What?

[hollow jolt]

psyker moment

[bleak tusk]

Hilarious

Just for a few laughs from nobody

[marble crater]

What is happening?

[bleak tusk]

Just link a build ?

[marble crater]

I asked because they are different things

[hollow jolt]

ask normal question -> psyker meltdown reply

[hollow jolt]

don't be an asshole?

and answer the question?

[marble crater]

But I'm not helping now

[bleak tusk]

Strange people

I leave this sub chat

Go back to general !

[strong gulch]

That was a genuine question. There is a smite build and a build that has a single point in smite.

[steel flame]

Psykers are def strange people

[strong gulch]

I don't check general chat.

[hollow jolt]

kk bye

[jovial juniper]

No I can't link it

Shriek at 86+ peril

[steel flame]

Emperor help that mans soul in general chat

[plucky flax]

Always racist against knife zealot

[hollow jolt]

I mean are they wrong?

[marble crater]

"Always in Sweden" is funny though

[plucky flax]

If zealot is aways but not dying then why bother?

How nice of them to be concerned for my health though.

[strong gulch]

We asked what kind of build specifically to make rec something more geared to your wants / needs.

Smite build is EP smite with 2/3 smite mod nodes and another build that happens to have smite but they play very differently.

[patent mango]

you can get maelstorm missions on the side? how

[hollow jolt]

they weren't even complaining about your skill. They're complaining you're away lmao

[steel flame]

I prefer when the knife zealot doesn't randomly make the mission alot harder than it needs to be XP

[patent mango]

is this normal

[steel flame]

Bit strange

[plucky flax]

Zealot with knife is naturally faster. You can't expect one to just hang around the team 24/7 and forfeit their kit.

[hollow jolt]

skill issue

[plucky flax]

As long as they are doing their job and pulling their weight it shouldn't matter being away.

Stay together die together.

[strong gulch]

I see you run off, not die, take care of shooters, do objectives, and eventually check back on the team. Maybe you are just too fast at killing the things and teams wants to kill too. lol

[steel flame]

See, I dont mind them being faster, I do mind them dumping aggro for a horde of crushers on the team 6 rooms away in the middle of a monstrosity horde

[plucky flax]

I can't dump aggro I don't have stealth.

[plucky flax]

This was me tbh.

[steel flame]

It's probably aimed more at stealth zealot than knife, but so many stealth zealots use knife that the animosity is now also connected to the knife

[plucky flax]

I was born with the blades.

Just gotta go fast when knife is in my hand.

[steel flame]

I get it, I do the same thing with scriers psyker and knife vet

[strong gulch]

Could also be that teammate have had a lot of zealots try to run off and do the zealot things... but get fecked up and die. So they saw you do it and were trying to get you back before you would die. Team was projecting onto you.

[plucky flax]

See the ogryn was good. Never complained. Just did his job for ration and did good damage too. Even more than the complaining vet.

[patent mango]

man i need dockets so bad

i wasted all of mine lmao

[strong gulch]

Me in every game.

[marble crater]

Farming dockets and then stopping to play was a great plan, prevented gambling everything away before the update

[strong gulch]

Then spend them all trying to get a 34 WR trauma or lower with 80 in everything else.

[patent mango]

i had like 3 million before crafting update

i have like 30k now

[marble crater]

Shit, is that something I should have done?

[strong gulch]

No. It's a personal foible.

[patent mango]

im gonna use 3 docket perks

lmfao

[marble crater]

Okay, phew

[strong gulch]

ER is strong and I just want non-ER DD staff gameplay to not feel so shit with peril management compared to ER with warp charge peril management. The difference is stark and rough af. 😭

for me

[marble crater]

I don't use the reduced peril from warp charges because it's inconsistent, but I'm still getting used to ER as well. That shouldn't be a problem though I think, as long as it's consistent. By taking lower warp resistance I would basically turn ER in a worse Talent as the peril reduction is weaker and then you are just left with the toughness penalty, at a certain point you might as well pick the talent that doesn't work (hyperbole)

[broken carbon]

@lofty escarp and i got accused of speedrunning by 2 psykers when we were just killing things

(both psykers died)

(they sucked)

[lofty escarp]

[broken carbon]

(i outdamaged a trauma psyker and a purg psyker with a dclaw)

[plucky flax]

Always complain about others never admit it's own fault.

[marble crater]

This is the way

[tulip kettle]

2

handed

force

sword

[patent steeple]

How many of you are hyped for Force GS? I remember some of you wondering when Fatshark was going to add it.

[tulip kettle]

i have returned to the cesspit that is darktide psyker chat

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/chCZTsMIdck.gif

[tulip kettle]

just to say how hyped i am about it

[strong gulch]

Not taking inner tranq. With ER and 34 WR, that's still a lot a of peril management plus CDR for shrieks. It's still comfy. What is rough is 60 WR trauma with no WC CDR and neither of the peril management nodes. ER makes even a 17 WR trauma playable. Inner tanq could never.

I am talking specifically about making the difference in peril gen less different when playing left side ER + WC vs assail trauma with DD.

That's why I said it's a personal foible; and also why inner tranq wouldn't be an option anyways.

[tulip kettle]

as you were gentlemen

[patent mango]

i dreamt with the damn thing

[late sapphire]

Let's just say i'm so hyped i'm two handing my force sword if you know what i mean

[patent mango]

tho it just had illisi moveset in my d ream

[tulip kettle]

i like how they say that psyker uses their abilities to make it behave like its lighter and nimbler than it should be

im quietly optimistic

[jovial juniper]

I'll play it every now and then but then never touch it again lmao

[strong gulch]

To be clear. I am not saying a 17 WR trauma is the way to go.

[tulip kettle]

i need SOMETHING to enjoy about psyker ever since DS4gate

i like pretty much every change FS have made to DT since release but giving everyone DS was a mistake, and a big one at that. Give me zweihander and that wound will be slightly healed

[patent steeple]

I am hyped too, if only because I know others are hyped for it too, and knowing those people will be happy makes me content... (same with the double-barrel kickback dream. Cmon, Fatshark, give ogryns their own double barrel!)

[tulip kettle]

admittedly thats a really good idea

almost a nobrainer

[marble crater]

Ahhh I see, makes sense now. Personally I just make my builds worse on purpose for the sake of consistency across different loadouts, without optimizing like you did

[strong gulch]

Hahaha. I feel this.

[jovial juniper]

Hey meow
Found the clip where it looked like I popped that burster

[digital narwhal]

What are you on?

And can you share?

Like, dude bro wanted you to clarify what you meant by "Smite Build" so they could help tune a build to you, and then you assume it's an insult.

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[broken carbon]

it would’ve blown me up anyway tbh

[peak kelp]

im returning after a year absence, how are psykers doing right now?

[broken carbon]

OP

[peak kelp]

OP how?

[broken carbon]

massive talent tree rework

[strong gulch]

good

[digital narwhal]

Infinite cleave, density scaling abilities go insane

[broken carbon]

absurd damage potential

[peak kelp]

with specific abilities/weapons or just in general?

[plucky flax]

Burga is supremely OP thanks to 1 blessing

[broken carbon]

in general

[jovial juniper]

Smoking on that high peril pack

[peak kelp]

what about builds? what are strong and what are weak?

staffs, abilities etc

[strong gulch]

All staves are good. Uhh a lot of things got renamed and loaouts reset.

So if you're confused.... same.

Gunker got buffed.

[peak kelp]

how does psyker stack up against the other 3 classes

[plucky flax]

Biggest damage.

[marble crater]

Kill 30 ragers without taking damage, lose 50% of your health to two sneaky poxwalkers, sums it up I think

[strong gulch]

Oh we can craft far more easily now.

[peak kelp]

I played a few games and did very poorly with psyker compared to my other characters

[strong gulch]

Valid, ther'e less margin for error.

[worn heath]

if you're still leveling thats also part of it

psyker relies on talents alot

[strong gulch]

Yeah it does.

[marble crater]

Maybe because of the talent that gives less peril but also less toughness, if you used that

[peak kelp]

I had my old build (flame staff, shield bubble, warp siphon) and I also tried the top build on gameslantern (electric staff, smite, venting, empowered psyonics)

[worn heath]

and low level psyker weapons (like staves) really suck compared to the stat spread you get at lvl 30

[peak kelp]

I have all characters at 30 for a while and like 700 hours in game total

[worn heath]

oh ok

[strong gulch]

New talent that's pretty great for surge and trauma makes you even more liek glass.

ER

[peak kelp]

I started with launch with psyker and eventually switched to ogryn because it was more forgiving, eventually picked psyker back up and could function on auric with all of them

[late sapphire]

gameslantern builds 😔

[peak kelp]

but psyker has always been a glass cannon to me, in weak teams it crumbles

[strong gulch]

Gamelantern has a lot of poopoo builds.

[worn heath]

can give the atheneum a look too if you want builds #psyker-class message

[strong gulch]

or ask here

[peak kelp]

I get that, I just used it as a jumping off point

[worn heath]

but yea psyker is very boom bust in terms of survivability

in comparison to something like vet/oggy/zealot that have a bit more resilience on their trees

[strong gulch]

builds in atheneum have been sus lately

[peak kelp]

is the payoff there though?

if they have lower survivability they should have more offensive potential

than the other classes

[worn heath]

yea psyker can do a lot

[peak kelp]

zealot and vet going ham right now with dueling swords

[late sapphire]

A good psyker player will average a bit below 1 mil damage on maelstroms

[strong gulch]

Yes.

[worn heath]

some of the best control with something like trauma staves/smite/shriek

and damage is excellent with the right builds

[strong gulch]

ER for surge / electro in particular is great.

[late sapphire]

In short the cc is nice but the main thing is that you can giga nuke everything and anything

With almost no downtime

[peak kelp]

is flame staff viable?

[late sapphire]

Yes but it's the most boring staff imo

flame staff reliably kills everything that isn't a crusher

[bleak tusk]

I like the electro staff

[peak kelp]

and what about bubble or venting shriek?

[late sapphire]

bubble is even boringer, venting shriek is meta

[peak kelp]

bubble was a huge crutch for me before

how do you survive without bubble

[late sapphire]

Cover, sliding, just killing all of the enemies

[worn heath]

bubble's ok, walls are more fun if going down that ability

[late sapphire]

Bubble Purga and EP Smite are the two most braindead playstyles imo

[marble crater]

If you kill everything with shriek, you don't need a bubble

[peak kelp]

how do you use venting shriek? offensively? like use it whenever its up? or do you use it defensively?

[late sapphire]

shriek clears shooters

[strong gulch]

There are like 2 maps that I generally prefer to take bubble, but venting shriek is the general go to. It is utility and damage.

[late sapphire]

you can shriek at 85%+ perils and it kills all chaff in front of you

[worn heath]

you can use shriek offensively, defensively, whenever it works

[marble crater]

Rescue dogged teammates through walls

[worn heath]

or floors

[late sapphire]

But when and how you use it is a matter of getting familiar with the ability, mostly

Anything from staggering a crusher about to pulp you to de-dogging and killing chaff

[uncut sinew]

[strong gulch]

At 85% peril you can consistently hit the max soulblaze stack (6 SB) and clear a room of trash including snipers. It also staggers most things.

[late sapphire]

I can only recommend the new scriers gaze, though

With warp unbound you can use it with a staff and it's fun

[uncut sinew]

new sciers gaze my beloved

[late sapphire]

with voidstrike a proper surge crit kills a crusher, or a pack of maulers, or up to 50 chaff enemies (or anything inbetween)

[zinc phoenix]

new SG staff is so fun

i love it

[plucky flax]

Bubble burga sounds rough.

[zinc phoenix]

yeah idk how you do that

i guess the answer is "you dont"

[marble crater]

Bubble smite is superior

[plucky flax]

Tru

The real support.

[strong gulch]

I take bubble purga on train.

[marble crater]

Disable melee and ranged enemies

[late sapphire]

bubble smite WS lol

[zinc phoenix]

and yourself!

[marble crater]

True

[zinc phoenix]

because dont forget, smite locks down the smiter too 😂

[late sapphire]

@peak kelp this is what i run

and i can recommend it because its good

[zinc phoenix]

this is mine, it is better 😂 https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d8315db-bcbb-41ad-ab18-3ddea22bf668/void-gaze-meleeker

you can tell because i havent wasted a perk on battle meditation

[late sapphire]

Posted to gameslantern so it's dogshit

Sorry to say it but it's true

[peak kelp]

where do the patricians post their builds?

[zinc phoenix]

i store mine on gameslantern so i dont have to remember it

its good enough

[marble crater]

YouTube gameplay videos of course

[zinc phoenix]

dont go to the actual builds page to look for stuff, its a wasteland of people who play on malice and think they know everything

[late sapphire]

Theoretically in the psyker builds thread

You'll get the best answers by just asking here though

[strong gulch]

That's my favorite staff.

[zinc phoenix]

btw i completely disagree with toughness regen over ability cooldown on SG voidstrike

[marble crater]

Post a bad build, claim it's good, wait for people to correct you and then you have a good build

[late sapphire]

DeadVoid convinced me

Go argue with him

[zinc phoenix]

he doesnt play SG

how would he know

[late sapphire]

I think it's funny you mention by crack of bone as toughness regen

[zinc phoenix]

regen is fine for ER left side

crack of bone is just for fun

[peak kelp]

ok im with you so far. For the sake of argument, what is wrong with this build? (top on gameslatern) https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ba81400-4c60-4362-9756-f93428dfc021/azyr-psyker-smite-venting-shriek-empowered-psionics-auric-ready

[late sapphire]

As though melee kills didn't give you twice as much toughness anyways

[zinc phoenix]

and crack gives me more with quelling

thats why i like it

also i hate passive quelling

and active quelling

i like to stab things to make peril go away

[zinc phoenix]

this is one of the rare builds that is ok but again battle meditation is trash

it is effectively 1% quell per kill which is nothing

[late sapphire]

it's ok but it's a huge sleeper build

[peak kelp]

sleeper?

[zinc phoenix]

i also think 3x gunner resist is bad