psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yes, I agree but I don't. Balance matters between things inside the same difficulty. I don't want to watch X class murder everything by itself and win, and that doesn't change.

[restive slate]

Low difficulty mentality is having fun

High difficulty mentality is trying to get better

Max difficulty mentality is having fun

[haughty star]

and people are literally just going to complain about psyker even more, because beiing the aoe char that it is, higher difficulty will mean more ramped up aoe dps

[eternal widget]

Hey ya'll, kinda new here. On first toon and man, Psyker is fun. I'm not really understanding my staffs though. The palpatine one is just... Meh? I thought lightning applied soulfire?

[spice veldt]

i know, i was referring to another argument that was just arguing against difficulty increases in general in the game

[haughty star]

it does but not the way you think

[restive slate]

Nope but it stuns and has high damage

[worn heron]

Id like a cata mode

[spice veldt]

i specifically want trauma/purg nerfs to level the playing field between difficulties

[worn heron]

Or a cata equivalent

[eternal widget]

Is there a build that is good for psyker that would be easy for a beginner?

[haughty star]

do you like surge?

and are you leveling

[eternal widget]

i am leveling

at 13.

[haughty star]

okay. just grab a gun and assail and play with the perks lol

staves are garbage until you're 30

and can properly upgrade them

[restive slate]

It better be called Exterminatus mode

[eternal widget]

what is the point of psyker then? If i just have to use a gun?

[restive slate]

Tip, don't actively chase the meta. Just have fun

[nocturne dust]

I feel like that's unfair to trauma/purg. It is interesting and nice to have things work differently. They work differently. I specifically like that I don't have to aim as much with Psyker.

I hate the whole 'weakspot' gameplay every single shooter has.

[spice veldt]

but i'm not talking about removing their non-aiming component

i respect their identity as AoE weapons

i'm saying to just cap their cleave

[azure parcel]

Staves are fine. I personally like the fire staff, but the AoE staff is also good, or the cannonball staff if you're good at sniping

[spice veldt]

to some finite amount and not make it infinite

[azure parcel]

(I am also levelling)

[spice veldt]

i'm not saying to transform them into laser precision weapons

well, i do want trauma's aoe to be reduced

[azure parcel]

Assail is deadass carrying my levelling though, ever since I unlocked it

[spice veldt]

but whatever we can have different marks with different aoes and whatnot

i can grumble about that later when different marks come out

[eternal widget]

I just want that 40k psyker experience, where you can just do absurd shit

[haughty star]

it's just that staves are literal garbage until you get to 30 lol

[eternal widget]

ill remake an assail

[nocturne dust]

Right, but I'm saying, perhaps not as aptly as I should, that their performance makes sense and they're not that strong

well they are strong

but they're not "need nerf" strong

[spice veldt]

yes

[haughty star]

game starts at 30 kinda like a borderlands condition

[nocturne dust]

especially purgatus

[spice veldt]

i think their "average" performance besides mixed hordes is fine

[haughty star]

try for something like this and just practice not blowing yourself up with assail lol

[spice veldt]

i'm saying to target their cleave to target the specific edge case where they just annihilate deathballs and massive densities of enemies

[nocturne dust]

I think it makes sense to have things good at that though

[spice veldt]

i feel like the cleave is one of the more innocuous aspects to tinker with, because it only matters at very absurd densities

[nocturne dust]

and also you would need to kill PC and shriek

[spice veldt]

i'm not touching their damage and whatnot (yet)

[eternal widget]

ive been trying to do the weeklies

[spice veldt]

i'm just touching their cleave

[eternal widget]

its not fun

[spice veldt]

yes and i want that as well

shriek should have falloff at least, and PC needs to just be replaced

[nocturne dust]

[spice veldt]

WWZ did this fine by adding a target limit to explosive weapons
I'm not saying that we have to do it like that, but I'm saying that it is something that has worked in a different game

[haughty star]

just trust me race to 30 and then come back here, we'll get you doing space wizard shit

[nocturne dust]

I don't want WWZ.

[spice veldt]

sure

[broken carbon]

pc should be dependent on the enemy killed

crusher? 4 stacks in a somewhat larger area

shotgunner? 1-2 stacks in a small area

[spice veldt]

i'm just saying to borrow a singular idea from a different game

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but I don't want things to work the way you do and fundamentally disagree.

[haughty star]

psyker is aoe

[spice veldt]

so far, because of the staffs that have released

doesn't mean we have to keep it that way and that things can't change

[haughty star]

the only reason people whine is because it tops scoreboards ez when played well, and that's kinda what it's always going to do unless they nerf it doing aoe lol

which would render the whole class useless lol

because it's the aoe glass cannon class

[spice veldt]

i'm just saying to tweak it down and not to remove it

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but if you did nerf PC and Shriek, I think you would actually have to buff every single staff

[spice veldt]

i feel like you are having a very extreme interpretation of what i'm saying

[spice veldt]

every single staff?

i really disagree with that

[nocturne dust]

Well, maybe not voidstrike

EK would be absolutely gutted

[azure parcel]

Are you new to the game as well? If so, I would recommend leveling one of the other classes first if you're not finding Psyker fun. It's a glass cannon class, easier to level Vet / Zealot and understand the game a bit better IMO..

[eternal widget]

yes

[spice veldt]

i've not run PC or shriek in builds and have done respectfully fine, though i otherwise do run PC

[eternal widget]

I love psyker

[nocturne dust]

Trauma's fire build relies a lot on PC and shriek

Inferno is inferno

[eternal widget]

im just... im getting cornered and fucked up because my AOE was not enough

[nocturne dust]

without PC and shriek it loses a lot of power

[eternal widget]

That is annoying

[spice veldt]

i don't think that's psyker's only strongest builds, and they don't need synergy with PC and shriek to be very strong

[eternal widget]

i mean anyone wanna play?

[haughty star]

just trust me my guy i did it the way i'm recommending the 2nd time around and it was much less heartache than trying to incoorperate underleveled staves

[spice veldt]

damage aside, trauma and purg's stagger is also on the sillier side of things

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's strongest builds absolutely are tied to PC/shriek

[broken carbon]

like bringing a single target ranged weapon (revolver, bolt pistol, etc), you’d just bring a horde clear melee like illisi

[nocturne dust]

and most staves are tied to PC/shriek

[spice veldt]

PC accounts for 10% of my damage overall
I don't use shriek
I use builds that I consider pretty strong that do not rely on soulblaze

[haughty star]

i can play tomorrow depending on hourage. i'm going to bed soon

[nocturne dust]

Psyker melee is awful

and remains so

[broken carbon]

psyker melee should get buffed

i’ve always thought that

psyker melee should be a very viable option

[nocturne dust]

and EK doesn't do enough damage to be revolver/bistol

[plucky flax]

Psyker melee is assail

[broken carbon]

lmfao

true

[haughty star]

yess illussy my baby buff me

[nocturne dust]

I don't disagree, but I do disagree that it's somehow 'fixing' a potentially-broken staffker

[haughty star]

could ya'll imagine how fucking insane illussy would be if psyker somehow had better melee lol

thing is literally insane for a horde clear melee anyway.

[buoyant maple]

It’s pretty mediocre

[haughty star]

for horde clear?

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[haughty star]

yeah strong disagree here boss

[nocturne dust]

Like, I hate your suggestions guys. You're talking about breaking staffker and then replacing it with... literally what vet/zealot is, removing the uniqueness of the class.

[haughty star]

one of the most effective and best feeling at cleaning up trash lol

[buoyant maple]

For Psyker’s standards yea

In terms of overall no

[broken carbon]

staffker would still be absolutely viable, but bringing a single target staff would warrant a crowd clear melee

[spice veldt]

i don't think it's breaking staffker to tweak down the infinite cleave of two staffs

you are way overrating soulblaze-dedicated builds compared to psyker's other builds

[haughty star]

i mean psyker has access to most of the melee weapons so by you're own arguement you are completely contradicting yourself lol

[nocturne dust]

And why can't I bring a single target staff, have a crowd clear ability, and use a bossing melee? Why is that bad?

[haughty star]

if any other class had that weapon it would still be fucking peak lol. if it performs well on pysker it would be cracked on anything else, we all saw that with ds4 recently lol

[buoyant maple]

What I mean is, if you take illisi’s horde performance into the overall horde clear comparison with other classes’ melee horde clear performance with various weapons, it’s in the “mediocre” tier

[nocturne dust]

I was talking about the talents mainly

[buoyant maple]

I did that test before U&L added a 10% atk speed node for psyker

Illlsi was like 18.5s for 50 pox

[haughty star]

yeah that's a trash comparison

[restive slate]

Here's a silly idea, Psyker staff on other classes.

It just becomes a poking stick

[haughty star]

psyker melee is trash idk why you even tested that lol

[spice veldt]

the ds4 is an obvious outlier given that its closest sibling, the knife, needs a 1.75x damage bump to compete in base damage, and no strong difference quite exists between the illisi and other average weapons

[buoyant maple]

Because I had heard that it’s good at horde clear so I wanted to see how good actually

Turned out to be really mediocre comparatively

[haughty star]

yeah that's not really a fair comparison tho?

you'd literally have to put it up against the other melee weapons with psyker

[nocturne dust]

No? Psyker has two builds, all staves except voidstrike are soulblaze and soulblaze reliant. Soulblaze works because it gets applied to everything.

[haughty star]

psyker itself is trash at melee so your whole "test" is dumb asf

[restive slate]

I feel there's a difference between horde clear and horde management

Sometimes confused

[buoyant maple]

Rashad is 7.5s and now you can get the same +10% atk speed buff as veteran & zealot so you can actually kill horde as fast as veteran for the most part

[spice veldt]

trauma and EK? I'm confused by this

i'm not saying that soulblaze isn't strong

[eternal widget]

is gear shared across toons?

[spice veldt]

i'm saying that you can allocate your talents and build a different way and achieve similar results as well

[azure parcel]

Wow, 7.5 with Rashad on Psyker!?

[haughty star]

i would literally bet money you cannot horde clear better with a rashad vs a illusy on psyker lol

[azure parcel]

Nope, Mastery levels are though

[broken carbon]

let us pick up dead psyker staves and throw them like javelins

[eternal widget]

fuuuck

[restive slate]

Toons?

But gear is not shared, blessings and resources are

[broken carbon]

toons is an older slang for characters/avatars

[buoyant maple]

Veteran with 10% attack speed is 7.5s vs 50 pox

Psyker suffers no breakpoints vs poxwalkers compared to veteran therefore theoretically with the same +10% atk speed it should be at least very close in terms of horde clear rate

[broken carbon]

i think it’s originally from world of warcraft?

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/quotation-marks-chris-farley-air-quotes-supposedly-quote-gif-18582444

[restive slate]

Psyker needs a Warp Javelin staff so bad

[nocturne dust]

You really can't? Idk what you mean. EK's build is heavily reliant on soulblaze and without it, it is easily mediocre if not awful.

[buoyant maple]

I mean, you gotta come up with reasons why it wouldn’t

[spice veldt]

can always just have a melee leaning

[haughty star]

no i don't

[azure parcel]

Hmm makes sense

[haughty star]

you are the one contesting my pov lol

[buoyant maple]

How much you willing to bet anyway

[eternal widget]

Assail feels so good

[spice veldt]

i ignore my staff most times because i just use assail and melee

it gets the job done and i deal competitive damage with my premade

[haughty star]

i like void lately

[spice veldt]

i'm just saying that people overstate differences way too much here

[haughty star]

idc if people rate it lower than most of the others the fucker is poggers in the right situations

[nocturne dust]

Let me put it this way, you're essentially telling me to stop playing psyker and start playing zealot

[restive slate]

Ah well evidently I never got into WoW

[restive slate]

If only staves give a movement speed boost

[spice veldt]

no?

i'm saying that the melee-leaning playstyle that I personally run is pretty good

i'm not saying that you have to do it

[nocturne dust]

Melee focus with a bit of range is exactly what zealot is

[spice veldt]

i'm just saying that this is an example of a non-soublaze reliant build

...so?

vet has that too

like, every class has melee

so what about it

zealot is obviously the melee-focused archetype

doesn't make every class that runs a melee build just "zealot"

[haughty star]

its just every class objectively does melee better than psyker lol

[nocturne dust]

I play psyker to play staffker, not be worse zealot

[spice veldt]

sure, but you can always fill in the gap with staff/blitz

psyker obviously doesn't need better melee to compete with other classes

by your own admissions

classes having different strengths and weakness is a normal thing

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but then what is your point?

[haughty star]

then nerf most of the strengths and what are you left with?

[spice veldt]

well, my point has been the same so far in that there exist non-soulblaze reliant builds that do competitive damage

[haughty star]

shriek builds are the strongest builds lol that is pretty much objective

[spice veldt]

still a good flamethrower staff and a good explosion staff

[haughty star]

ehhh

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but that build is gunker/meleeker/assailker, the only other build on Psyker, and it's not that great and feels awful to play.

[spice veldt]

like, i hope to ingrain in the point that targeting the cleave specifically affects the edge cases where you're damaging a lot of hitmass in your AoE

[nocturne dust]

It's no secret I hate gunker with passion.

[spice veldt]

like every weapon, trauma/purg will then reach a limit when dealing with a density of enemies

[haughty star]

is that really worth to your average player to play over lliterally anything else?

[heavy ember]

stick gang

[spice veldt]

sure, purg/trauma will continue to have minimal aim requirement and do a lot of AoE damage

[nocturne dust]

Staffker best psyker

[haughty star]

gunker still fun tho

[spice veldt]

we're just capping it to prevent it from scaling to absurd limits

[nocturne dust]

I don't see the issue with a class being good at that

[spice veldt]

i see an issue when it is an obvious outlier from the overwhelming majority of weapons

hell, brutal momentum already gets flak for being just 4 targets

[nocturne dust]

Literally just toss a grenade and get the same effect

[spice veldt]

trauma somehow is immune from this criticism here for some reason

[spice veldt]

well... about my view about that one...

[haughty star]

i feel like you don't have to be told traumas damage does not come from the dumb lil explosions lol

[nocturne dust]

You want to nerf grenades too?

[spice veldt]

you might be surprised that psyker is not the only class that i want to nerf

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, this is just dumb. Anti-horde tools should be anti-horde and good at clearing said horde.

[spice veldt]

i'm only talking about psyker because that's the current topic

[buoyant maple]

Yea I’d rather it be 2 targets and buff combat axes’ innate cleave

It should not be exceptionally good at horde clear on top of being good at single target

[spice veldt]

nade regen is the only thing i'd touch currently

and see where it'd go

i respect nades having good individual strength

[haughty star]

this is tough cuz they'd almost have to split up brutal for some weapons

[spice veldt]

frag nade bleed stacks could use some falloff with distance for the target hit

etc.

[haughty star]

like ogryn shield for instance would be near useless without brutal working as it is

[spice veldt]

the things that i recommend as nerfs to shriek and whatnot are also things that i want to apply to DoT AoEs in general

[buoyant maple]

Not necessarily, this wouldn’t impact its performance much outside of horde clear for combat axes (which would get compensated by having better cleave)

And I think power sword being able to kill 4 shotgunners per swing with zero melee talent investment is dumb

[spice veldt]

HIYAAAAAAAAAAH

[atomic swan]

surprised me that you didnt talk about TA vet (yet)

[spice veldt]

annihilate it

[haughty star]

yeah but then you have to deal with clunky ass psword

to me that weapon feels just awful

[spice veldt]

psword's not particularly that clunky baseline, and there's always the devil (weapon specialist)

[atomic swan]

also VoC

[buoyant maple]

Tac axe genuinely needs better cleave & cleave distribution in general, it’s sorta separate from BM

[nocturne dust]

Never has anything disgusted me more

[spice veldt]

the majority of weapons in this game has damage falloff with targets hit

[atomic swan]

Tactical Awareness

[nocturne dust]

Mfer doesn't want horde clear to exist in a horde game

[spice veldt]

but melees do fine with damage falloff and finite cleave

[haughty star]

like i realize it's good and can do good with it it just feels like something out of a ps2 game

[atomic swan]

-6 sec is stupid

[spice veldt]

like, hordeclear is doing fine without flamethrowers and whatnot

[nocturne dust]

Well yes. I don't want every weapon to be the same.

Variety good.

[spice veldt]

sure, so we can tweak the damage falloff and cleave of weapons to be different?

this is also already done

[nocturne dust]

No.

Infinite cleave fun.

[spice veldt]

but not balanced

which is what i primarily care about

[haughty star]

you can't argue aoe and balance at the same time lol

the power of aoe scales with difficulty and density

[spice veldt]

and if you want to power fantasy your way through the game, lower difficulties exist

i'm going to continue to repeat the "go to lower difficulties for power fantasies" argument until the end of time

because this happens to be a game with multiple difficulties where i can indeed use this argument

[buoyant maple]

Oh that, I think it needs an activation cap between abilities and it needs to be % based, not flat -6s

Smth like -15% of ability’s total cooldown (can activate up to 2 times between ability uses)

This means -4.75s (up to -9.5s) for exe & VoC
And -6.75s (up to -13.5s) for infil

[nocturne dust]

But it's not really that fun at lower difficulties because of less enemies

[buoyant maple]

And VoC itself needs some changes

[spice veldt]

sure, then we can just recommend increases in spawn rates

[nocturne dust]

The whole point in the horde game is to eat the horde

[spice veldt]

also, there's regular damnation or just non shock trooper high int auric damnation for something less intense

[haughty star]

and i'm going to repeat that maybe if you have thousands of hours into something you've just reached the upper eschelon lol

and that is not a everyone else problem

[nocturne dust]

But that does nothing if we don't have the cleave anymore.

[haughty star]

that's a you problem lol

[spice veldt]

we have 7 difficulties

i'm sure people can find lower difficulties to contend with

[haughty star]

yes and you are a very small minority

[spice veldt]

so?

[haughty star]

why cater to the few?

[buoyant maple]

Probably reduce the overtoughness to +10 so if you get hit by quite literally anything it goes away until u gain more toughness back

Makes it more easily punished

Then prob cut uptime from 15s to 10s

[spice veldt]

i can similarly say why would i cater to people who play on sedition (besides low levels)

also, balancing within difficulties isn't something that caters only to the few

i'm not talking about an overall game difficulty increase

[nocturne dust]

Money

[spice veldt]

that's a good one

[haughty star]

because they just bought the game and their friends aren't sick of hearing about it and/or only people who already play the game?

[spice veldt]

i'm talking about tweaking obvious outliers

[spice veldt]

well, i did specifically say "besides low levels"

like, i am using qualifiers in my statements for a reason

[atomic swan]

I think beeg aoe is fine
Just psyker himself is good at it and can do it effortless

[nocturne dust]

I think it's clear that trying to hammer down every nail is problematic in itself, Helldivers being a recent example

[spice veldt]

sure, it doesn't have to be fine-tuned

which is why i'm discussing the numbers abstractly

[haughty star]

i often find most people who say this literally have thousands of hours or aren't psyker players lol

[nocturne dust]

You're already trying to make it pretty fine-tuned

[spice veldt]

how so?

i'm just saying "high but finite cleave"

some "damage falloff WRT distance"

like, I feel like i am discussing in very vague and non-specific terms

given that i don't think i've brought up specific numbers yet

just relations and whatnot

[nocturne dust]

I mean, removing infinite cleave from things removes a lot of the fun of said things and makes no real sense, especially for grenades

[spice veldt]

it makes sense from a balancing perspective, unless you want me to suggest a damage falloff but keep infinite cleave

which i'm fine with

[haughty star]

psyker is the glassiest class in the game and also the most dps heavy

[nocturne dust]

sure, but balance isn't the be-all, end-all of a game

[spice veldt]

there is going to be a finite amount of shrapnel and some amount of stuff that blocks that shrapnel

[haughty star]

like literally at it's baseline what's wrong with this

[spice veldt]

sure, which is why i'm talking about things that i perceive to be obvious outliers

i'm not saying to tweak a lot of things

just staple down categorically-problematic stuff like AoE DoTs that don't have any falloff

[nocturne dust]

But I don't see them being that big of an outlier

[spice veldt]

yes, and i've specifically referred to targeting the edge cases where they're hitting a lot of density

like, infinite cleave isn't a problem when you're doing it to a reasonable crowd

[nocturne dust]

Sure, and those are rare, and are fun

[spice veldt]

i'm saying to target the cleave specifically, which specifically targets the edge case where you're doing it into a lot of density

[haughty star]

it can be the end-all tho. just look at helldivers when they decided to listen to the upper echelon over the rest of the player base

[spice veldt]

they're fun, but not quite balanced and especially not something that i think should exist on the highest difficulty

like, keep in mind that hitmass scales (a little bit) with difficulty

so it's going to be better if you're on lower difficulties

[nocturne dust]

But the way you're 'solving' it means it won't exist on any difficulty

[haughty star]

kick ass game literally beaten into the ground by nerfs and awful balancing tweaks to cater to only the highest skill players. went from a global phenomenon to a niche thing in like a month

[spice veldt]

lower difficulties have less enemies and lower hitmass

this is a self-balancing problem

or whatever the term is

[nocturne dust]

lower hitmass is not no hitmass

[spice veldt]

sure

[nocturne dust]

less enemies is problematic in a horde game

[spice veldt]

which is why i'm saying to set it to a finite but HIGH cleave

like

please read what i'm saying

[buoyant maple]

Give it 50 cleave

[spice veldt]

i'm not saying to kneecap them to a very low cleave

[nocturne dust]

I read that

[modest perch]

lower difficulties are easier therefore that is a problem

[buoyant maple]

Here, number

[nocturne dust]

nothing has changed

[spice veldt]

the only thing i want is for it to scale up to a more reasonable limit

[nocturne dust]

Sure

[buoyant maple]

This is the exact same amount of cleave as current plasma gun left click

[modest perch]

and i thought zealot chat was bad

[nocturne dust]

The zealots are invading

[spice veldt]

well, they're talking about spawn numbers

[buoyant maple]

Hell give it 100 cleave if it’s to be coded like if u hit 5 maulers and it gets used up

[spice veldt]

and i agree that less enemies feels bad (to an extent, until where there are too many enemies)

[haughty star]

it usually isn't this bad lol. just when people complain about it being easy to top scoreboards with the glass cannon aoe class lol

[buoyant maple]

Although I don’t think they even code flame weapons in association with mass lol

[spice veldt]

yeah they don't

no limit besides their AoE
purg additionally gets stopped by bulwarks (somewhat) and walls, but that's it

maybe there's some engine limit

[nocturne dust]

There's a framerate limit

[spice veldt]

i've tried cleaving 200 enemies with old brumo and it didn't quite work even when they were stacked on top of each other

[buoyant maple]

I think ur case can be made slightly more realistic if enemies hit by the edge of the flame gets burn/Soulblaze stacks slower than enemies at point blank

Not sure if possible tho

[nocturne dust]

I think we're just going to fundamentally disagree. I like that odd things can happen and you can blast way too many enemies with specific stuff. It's like 1-hitting with thammer, it doesn't really change balance practically-speaking because of the rarity of such situations, it just does funny stuff.

[wind spruce]

Bro the bad part about reading this is the cringe takes that aoe/cleave shouldn't be nerfed

[spice veldt]

could do a distance check when applying for soulblaze or whatever

i agree it's funny

but i also think it's something that wears off, and i'm not fond of it as a teammate for a single weapon to be able to obliterate hordes and mixed hordes with no particular falloff

[nocturne dust]

Or you could just buff single targets

[haughty star]

i guess i don't know how i feel about that specific subject which is why i haven't commented much towards the matter

[spice veldt]

my balance philosophy is to consider not only the user of the weapon being balanced but also the people that will be teammates to you

and well, the enemies that are on the other side of that weapon, i suppose

[wind spruce]

What, by making them also have stupid cleave?

[haughty star]

i mean the flamer does all this anyway but you've also commented towards that so i'll shut up lol

[spice veldt]

yeah i don't like the flamer for that either

[nocturne dust]

You misunderstand.

Crushers already have infinite cleave.

[spice veldt]

they have finite cleave

or hitmass

[nocturne dust]

The enemy

[spice veldt]

yes

[nocturne dust]

not the weapon

[spice veldt]

they have a tag that makes them stop all cleave

blessings like sunder or devastating strike ignore this tag

[broken carbon]

flamer at least has reloads and ammo to worry about

(also good zealots only use flamer like 3 times a game anyway)

[nocturne dust]

I'm saying their attack has infinite cleave

[broken carbon]

but i do agree otherwise

[nocturne dust]

not cleaving them

[wind spruce]

Q-q-q-quadruple kill

[spice veldt]

ah

oops

[haughty star]

these are literally the only fun times to play a purg build

think about that for a second lol

[nocturne dust]

That's what I mean by buffing single targets

[spice veldt]

tbf it'd be like a 6 cleave hammer swing if it hit players (each character having 1.5 hitmass iirc)

[haughty star]

purg is a fucking chore other than like the 4 or 5 times a game it's op

[spice veldt]

which is pretty fair given how much cleave players have

purg is pretty fine in my games

like i can get good worth out of it consistently

run it for the myriad melee enemies that exist and ranged patrols that are out and about

[haughty star]

it's boring, it's not very good at dropping things in front of you NOW which is what psyker needs the most, and it's not good at range obviously

[spice veldt]

it has the stagger to delay when that NOW happens though

[wind spruce]

Purg is just so unfun if you have a competent team clearing shit out in front of you

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I'd prefer if first they nerf the bullcrap with their attacks sometimes and the hitscan nonsense, and then buff them to be stronger but more... sensibly programmed

[quartz barn]

Purg heavily depends on your playstyle tbh

[haughty star]

you're pretty much stuck running melee or the two shittier blitz most of the game

[spice veldt]

and obviously, you can build to specifically deal with purg's weaknesses, which is easy because both sides have access to either assail or brainburst

[haughty star]

brainburst is ass and assail doesn't work with purg lol

[quartz barn]

I dont get much use out of it for example, because i move around too much

[spice veldt]

worse, but brainburst and assail deals with single target, and i don't think either is that bad (i still hate brainburst)

[nocturne dust]

Purg does nothing in a team of 4 good players

[spice veldt]

assail DOES work with purg

i specifically run this semi-regularly

[wind spruce]

I don't understand why assail doesn't work with it

Its always confused me that BB is the go to by such a huge amount

[spice veldt]

assail hits reasonable breakpoints if you want single-target, and it has the advantage of doing this to up to 2 targets (or 3, or more with warp splitter)

[nocturne dust]

yes, it works

[spice veldt]

it works and is good

i will specify that it brings big damage and is a generalist build

[nocturne dust]

Eeeeeeehhhh it's okay.

[spice veldt]

not quite as generalist as trauma of course

not just okay but good

[wind spruce]

Assail works with everything

[nocturne dust]

I mean the blitz doesn't matter.

[wind spruce]

Because it's ridiculously strong

[nocturne dust]

cuz purg

[spice veldt]

it matters in the context of what bazerker was saying

[nocturne dust]

and staffkers in general

[spice veldt]

for hitting long ranges

[nocturne dust]

don't really use the blitz

[spice veldt]

and single-target

[haughty star]

because you lose out on wildfire and the most powerful perk psyker has to offer (PA), not to mention get point taxxed for going across the tree to shriek

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Assail doesn't get the sniper 90 meters away unfortunately

[spice veldt]

wildfire is nice but assail is also nice

[tired estuary]

oh no not the sniper 90 meters away

[nocturne dust]

Wildfire for purg is a whole lot nicer than assail

[fiery stratus]

i shoot those with hipfire revolver

[nocturne dust]

imo

[spice veldt]

sure, but 50 meters radius also covers the map, and maps with those distances also are probablistically going to have a lot of cover between you and that 90 meters

[wind spruce]

You don't get point taxed, wildfire is meh, but PA is correct

[tired estuary]

even tho it gets snipers within most important engagement ranges

[nocturne dust]

literally us talking about purg:

[fiery stratus]

nah ur talkin about assail

i just shootem if theyre too far

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but when the snipers are out of range it is real annoying

[fiery stratus]

but assail gets 90%

[tired estuary]

no its not you reposition or go within range and kill them

[haughty star]

i don't care if you can run a purg build with assail, it's sub optimal for purg and purg is fucking boring for like 80 percent of the match lol

[spice veldt]

annoying but it's no big deal to just deal with the enemies around you in cover and just run up to snipers
50 meters is still a very respective range

[nocturne dust]

You can't always do that

[wind spruce]

But you can just infinitely dodge slide snipers so meh

[spice veldt]

you're still hitting snipers from across mercantile's arena

[haughty star]

compared to most other options psyker has to offer

[wind spruce]

But why is assail sub optimal for purg. Literally just because of PA? I can live without it

[nocturne dust]

Anyway, I'm not saying it doesn't work

[fiery stratus]

ah i cant say anything then i dont use staves

[spice veldt]

and i'm saying that it is good

[fiery stratus]

theyre pretty boring

[wind spruce]

Assail has more benefits than BB w/ purg in a vacuum

[nocturne dust]

Psykinetics Aura, Wildfire, and Kinetic Flayer

all of which Purg likes

[haughty star]

KF is super strong on purg now lol

[wind spruce]

You can do without wildfire and KF very easily

[nocturne dust]

Eh, super strong is a bit much.

[wind spruce]

It does less than 100 dps

It ain't super strong

[spice veldt]

sure, and there are tradeoffs for getting access to assail, one less point tax to get +10% melee atk spd, malefic momentum (primarily for assail)

[nocturne dust]

You can do, sure, but we're talking optimality.

[fiery stratus]

just shootem with ur gun

[nocturne dust]

KF enables PC

[haughty star]

it's not literally always about dps lol

and yes it enables a free perilous shot which is a whole lot more dps

[spice veldt]

an enemy proccing KF is presumably getting hit by purg
and enemies around them are also presuambly getting hit by purg
I'm not saying that PC is doing nothing, but there's another thing that's inflicting soulblaze

[wind spruce]

Didn't say it was. But it's really not that impressive. Ooh I sniped one elite out of the 7 that were about to burn down anyway

[nocturne dust]

more soulblaze faster good

[wind spruce]

You know what else is good

[spice veldt]

sure, but i think it's a small drop compared to purg's aoe

[nocturne dust]

It really isn't

[wind spruce]

Having a ridiculously strong blitz instead of a gimp af one

[spice veldt]

and keeping in mind that you can just swipe your camera around with purg if you want to be truly optimal

[haughty star]

you know what else is good? having a good stave and the good blitz on a optimal build

instead of a gimp stave 80 percent of the round and relying on assail and suboptimal melee to carry you through

[wind spruce]

TRUE

[nocturne dust]

Assail isn't that strong and most of its use is useless because purg already covers it.

[wind spruce]

Assail really is that strong though

[spice veldt]

assail has 32 meters more range and does more single-target in a pinch if you need it

there is obviously very much a role for assail to fit

[nocturne dust]

People keep saying that and they keep being wrong.

Well, 'people' being like a couple

[spice veldt]

i don't think i've been wrong

[uncut sinew]

[wind spruce]

Literal skill issue, soz

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

the things it does single target damage on wouldn't be helpful with a purg in your hand tho

[modest perch]

im gonna use left click surge and ep smite lmao

[uncut sinew]

based

[nocturne dust]

Don't worry, you'll get it right one day.

[spice veldt]

bombers? trappers (well, you can puff them with lmb but hey, assail)? ranged patrols that you can't quite engage immediately?

[wind spruce]

It's so bad, I hate switching to blitz for 0.7s to shoot two shards capable of clearing 6 elites and staggering all specials

[haughty star]

other than literally snipers at the range assail can reach, which they're always seeemingly just outside of lol

[wind spruce]

So mid

[nocturne dust]

purg, purg, purg

[spice veldt]

i'm not saying that purg isn't a generalist weapon with good reach, but there are situations where assail is going to be better

[haughty star]

literally just snipers would be the one that actually stands out

[wind spruce]

You can just use both at once

[spice veldt]

that too

[haughty star]

purg pretty much handles everything but carapace and assail don't do that lol

[nocturne dust]

Slide goes bbbbrrrrr

[spice veldt]

it's not like assail demands high time cost

[nocturne dust]

You really can't, using assail takes time you just be using purg

[spice veldt]

it is immediately actionable on swap, requires ~0.2s to throw the first shard, and ~0.3s for the second shard

[wind spruce]

LESS THAN A SECOND

[spice veldt]

so ~0.5 seconds to do a cycle of two shards

[nocturne dust]

and sure, compared to BB it's not a ton of time

but it's time

[spice veldt]

yes, the point is that assail can take advantage of short time windows

and do a lot

[nocturne dust]

eh

It's not a lot

[haughty star]

it doesn't do that much with two shards lol

[echo root]

Assail doesn't let you take Psykinetic Aura and Wildfire (for In Fire Reborn warp charges)

[spice veldt]

the time window is modular

[spice veldt]

yeah, and i've never taken both and I'm still doing competitive damage with people that do in premades

people overstate the differences between builds

[nocturne dust]

We already said this and they dismissed it like it didn't matter 😭

[wind spruce]

It literally is lmfao

[spice veldt]

i only need to make the weaker argument since my stance is that the difference between these builds is minimal

[haughty star]

here ya are forgetting that you've literally got tons of your life into this game.

[nocturne dust]

You can be wrong

[haughty star]

that being said that's not a insult btw

i have 5500 into elite dangerous for god sake

[spice veldt]

i can just spin that into me having time with a lot of builds and being equally acquainted

[echo root]

You get BB which covers the few scenarios that Purgatus can

[nocturne dust]

minimal compared to what

[echo root]

You can just run and slide into shotgunners

[haughty star]

i could see the value in assail sometimes with purg tbh.

[wind spruce]

Except you're literally just denying reality, dude. It let's you absolutely mob groups of ranged enemies, rager packs and specials

[spice veldt]

minimal in that the difference in mission completion time and fail rate is minimal

[nocturne dust]

All of which purg does

[buoyant maple]

The only map with 90m line of sight that I remember is rolling steel final lol

[haughty star]

alot of things that fuck me up on purg are things assail coulda done a little further away. but that's prolly skill issue

[uncut sinew]

only with assail, you have more mobility

[scarlet timber]

Is it me or

[wind spruce]

Haha you're funny, dude

[nocturne dust]

Sure? Is that your argument? Lol.

[scarlet timber]

Best weapon for gub psyker is bolt pistol ?

[buoyant maple]

Vraks V infantry autogun

[spice veldt]

you don't know the forbidden knowledge....
there's like this one fucked up sightline at the magistrati section after the first event where you drop down a ledge, and there's a sightline where you literally can not shoot a sniper at the back because player weapons have a distance hard limit

[nocturne dust]

and with purg you have more damage

[buoyant maple]

Recon are also ok

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

vraks or reeeecon

[uncut sinew]

doubt

[nocturne dust]

lmao

[spice veldt]

yeah? I think it's a better metric than pure damage, in order to account for supporting builds that don't dish out quite as much damage

[uncut sinew]

both good, both high dmg, conclusion, use both

[wind spruce]

Do both. Do assail in the gaps. What do you not understand here?

[buoyant maple]

I’ve seen that before but there’re like 2 cover pieces to use nearby

Rolling steel is the only one with like, no tall cover & direct line of sight

[potent echo]

Purg has infinite cleave so in theory it has infinite dps

[haughty star]

the problem is is both are essentially good at the same thing in different ways

[spice veldt]

ah yeah i do not like the rolling steel one either

[nocturne dust]

Or just use purg 🤷‍♂️

[haughty star]

fundamentally having two of the same purpose is bad psyker build. gotta hve tools in your tool kit

[nocturne dust]

[potent echo]

Rolling steel done smart will be closing the sniper alleys at opportune times

[uncut sinew]

agreed

[potent echo]

But pubs just spam the doors so the sniper alley is always open at the worst times

[wind spruce]

Just use melee. That's all that's needed for auric mael even on psyker

[uncut sinew]

purg and assail deals with everything but carapece, pick mk4 to deal with carapece

[wind spruce]

Beta ranged users

Big L

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-bill-nye-the-science-guy-scienceguy-consider-gif-7391226

[haughty star]

soyker just doesn't have the toughness POOL to deal with chip and most of it's sustainment is based around things that have peril, which most of melee doesn't lol

there are obvioulsy instances and one offs that go against this i'm just illistrating the fundamental problem with maining melee on soyker

[wind spruce]

Still doable with just melee. But I was being hyperbolic because of the "just use purg" idiocy

[nocturne dust]

just use purg isn't idiocy because to take assail you give up 3 things that also boost your damage in more situations

wildfire, psykinetics, and KF

[uncut sinew]

overrated

[nocturne dust]

no u

[haughty star]

PA is deffo not overrated lol

vent is most op ability in the game basically and it can basically refill itself thanks to pa

[uncut sinew]

haven't run any of those for the most of my psyker gametime and not regretting it

[wind spruce]

Yeah but we were also talking about how good assail is in general, and you clearly don't have a good grasp of its strength

[uncut sinew]

^

[nocturne dust]

in general
wat

no

no we weren't

lmao

[spice veldt]

right side has malefic, +10% melee attack speed, and warp splitter, which all benefit an assail playstyle if you lean into that

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but on purg, because that was the discussion, none of those are that useful

[spice veldt]

yes

this is for leaning more into assail on purg

unsurprisingly, a different build has a different playstyle

i hope this is not too shocking of a fact that you might play to the strengths of what talents you get

[haughty star]

yes but the most effective purg build is left side

this is pretty much universally agreed

[nocturne dust]

Right, but why invest in assail just to try and get it to be good enough to rival wildfire + psy + KF?

[haughty star]

call it easiest, call it whatever you want. left side is optimal

[wind spruce]

I was, but it's irrelevant. You underrate assail on more than just purg

[spice veldt]

yeah, and I really doubt that the difference is that big compared to right side esp when i've just achieved similar numbers to regulars in my premades who do run left side purg

[nocturne dust]

I don't? I dislike assail because of its role in gunker, but that's different.

[haughty star]

regulars that have the same time investment?

[spice veldt]

because i prefer the playstyle and i don't think it's that much different, from running it myself and running my assail purg build with other similarly competent people playing the left side build?

[haughty star]

solid doubt

[spice veldt]

yes?

lemme pull up their steam profiles and see

[wind spruce]

You run assail with void?

[spice veldt]

this is josho

[haughty star]

i do

[nocturne dust]

Preference is valid but the issue is #psyker-class message this specific comment

[haughty star]

assail is bae with void

[nocturne dust]

Yes.

[spice veldt]

i can't see yoshi's hours, but he's ~900 true levels on psyker (and has hours on other classes)

i have 3.1k hours for reference

[wind spruce]

It is idiocy to ignore what we're saying about how to utilise assail in the build in a way that you simply can't "just use purg" more to replicate

[spice veldt]

mankar has 2.2k hours

so a group with similar hours

three of us being psyker mains (everyone except josho)

[nocturne dust]

But you can just use purg to replicate everything you were saying. Shooters, ragers, they both can just get purged. 🤷‍♂️

[haughty star]

i might actually try assail with purg personally after this convo lol. it's so hard driven that left side is the way and for empowering purg itself, it is. but as far as living with the damn thing through the match it might be refreshing to have assail to lean into

[spice veldt]

depends on the playstyle that you like

i don't run left side because i don't personally like it

i run right-side because that's what i like and I seriously doubt, from my experience, that the difference is as pronounced as is said when both are played to their strengths

[uncut sinew]

i am definetly making a right side purg build

seems like fun

[buoyant maple]

I run assail for anything that’s not EK tbh

[haughty star]

you're basically forced to use the purg for the entire match and it's so fucking awful lol

[buoyant maple]

It’s just really strong & safe

[spice veldt]

i mostly just whip out purg to densities that i can not be assed to deal with

[haughty star]

it does do REALLLY well at the 5 or 6 times it's good but the rest of the match it's like having a flamer glued to your hands

[spice veldt]

and assail/melee my way when pushing the map

[uncut sinew]

pick EP w assail and you'll have plenty of shards to throw

[nocturne dust]

There is a major difference in feel imo

[haughty star]

ewwwwww EP assail

[nocturne dust]

but that's subjective

[spice veldt]

yeah

it's hard to compare from your own experiences without a controlled environment and yaddi yadda

but i just think that the differences are overstated

[uncut sinew]

EP assail better than DD

[haughty star]

i just don't see much value over dd personally with assail

[spice veldt]

eh, DD is better when you're mixing in melee

[haughty star]

and assail doesn't regen fast enough to main it like smiteker

[spice veldt]

mostly to snipe elites for whatever reason (e.g., being a very greedy person, taking perilous combustion to justify your crimes), etc.

[uncut sinew]

we're talking assail only for the sake of this argument

[spice veldt]

fair

[uncut sinew]

i prefer the nearly infinite assail over extra dmg

my dmg is high enough without DD

[echo root]

Which is perfect for Brain Burst, which you take over assail.

[haughty star]

i'm personally not lol i'm talking about right side purg

[quartz barn]

Genuine question, what is there to do at those kinds of playtime

[spice veldt]

just run games and steamroll them

or die because i was stupidly aggressive

game is fun to play

[quartz barn]

Because im at 400h, and just started on the vet penances

[spice veldt]

the difficulty is waning, but I like the core gameplay of what this game is

[quartz barn]

Finished the other 3

[spice veldt]

there's still some peaks when you're solo, whenever those moments where your teammates die, which are fun

[haughty star]

which i am going to try tomorrow, thanks @spice veldt @wind spruce for opening my eyes to what potentially might make purg fun for me lol

[spice veldt]

woohoo

another one has been TRICKED by my sweet words (hopefully)

[wind spruce]

It's atrophied af let's be honest

[strong gulch]

What are you trying out? 👀

[spice veldt]

i like my melee in this game so i lean towards right-side psyker for how assail has a low active time cost and all that stuff

hopefully that suits you as well

[nocturne dust]

Idk, I've heard of some stupid cheese from before my time

[haughty star]

it's good in it's moments and really powerful on left side it just sucks being married to the thing. i had completely swept assail to the side because fundamentally they do do the same thing but assail just might add fun value

[haughty star]

right side purg spurring into vent and WS

[heavy ember]

purge with healthbars mod scratches my brain

[spice veldt]

just be careful to not blow up with assail when spamming it if you're not quite accustomed to it

[wind spruce]

I just meant more on a personal level (and for arco)

[haughty star]

i use assail all the time

[spice veldt]

oh good

[strong gulch]

Assail purg?

[haughty star]

yee

[strong gulch]

gotcha

[uncut sinew]

or sciers purg

[nocturne dust]

I can't believe Baz doesn't like the flame stick 😔

[strong gulch]

I haven't play assail purg this patch. It's comfy.

[nocturne dust]

It's alright.

KF scratches my brain tho

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/balloon-explosion-derek-muller-veritasium-exploding-a-balloon-pop-a-balloon-using-fire-gif-24985425

That rager in the middle of the purge

[strong gulch]

KF proccing is like stimming for me, but I can't deny the comfort of assail purg.

Assail trauma too.

[nocturne dust]

KF proccing on the crusher

[spice veldt]

fucked up that they would add a cocaine equivalent to this game

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-sea-lion-explode-explosion-scream-gif-25321526

grey name moment

[heavy ember]

smh

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

No images?

[nocturne dust]

I want more staves I don't have to aim

[echo root]

So like Purg and Electro?

[strong gulch]

Keep chatting and you'll get the red role. Then you can post pics and links.

[spice veldt]

after we get bolt/beam staff

[nocturne dust]

Trauma actually qualifies for me

[haughty star]

i like the staff i just don't like being married to it the whole ass match lol

[echo root]

It's harder to aim trauma at max range than voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

As long as I can ignore weakspots and just fire in a general area I'm good

[echo root]

What was the OG name for voidstrike again?

[haughty star]

voidstrike

jk lol idk

[nocturne dust]

which is funny

[echo root]

Really?

[haughty star]

i know trauma is voidblast now

[nocturne dust]

because I like voidstrike most

[spice veldt]

yeah voidstrike has been unchanged

[nocturne dust]

voidstrike unchanged 🗿

[spice veldt]

the true winner of this debacle

[strong gulch]

Fecking fair. You might like assail trauma better than regular bb trauma.

[haughty star]

void strike is thiccc

[steep estuary]

Assail trauma sounds nice

[echo root]

I play voidstrike once in a blue moon. The damage output is really nice, but you're prone to getting overwhelmed compared to the other staves.

[haughty star]

those 10+ void strike headshot crunches are super thicc

[nocturne dust]

You don't deserve staffker

[uncut sinew]

it is really nice

[spice veldt]

i like my assail trauma cuz i just run assail + melee mostly, and whip out trauma for the spooky densities

which is why i run a deranged blazing spirit + rending shockwave trauma

[steep estuary]

Is rending trauma still good? Or is it all fire these days?

[spice veldt]

since i have true aim for blazing spirit and rending shockwave to bump up the adms for assail against flak

i run both and haven't run strictly either in some time so i can't personally say'

[haughty star]

wait doesn't true aim need weakspot which trauma can't do except lmb?

[strong gulch]

It's still good. Not as good as fire trauma. We don't have to settle with the crafting up now.

[nocturne dust]

Admit it, the real reason you want the soulblaze builds changed is you don't use them

[haughty star]

oh wait the assail lol

[spice veldt]

ye, and stacking true aim with melee

[echo root]

Personally not a fan of rending on it. Fire on crit + wildfire + in fire reborn for warp charges is what I do.

[spice veldt]

it's true, i seek to annihilate others

[steep estuary]

I gotta tune up a purgatus tbh

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[steep estuary]

So many things to try aaaaaaa

[echo root]

60% warp res purgatus goes hard

[haughty star]

bruhh i will use a voidstrike until im boutta die with it before i pull out assail lol just purg feels like such a chore until those choice super thicc purg clutch moments

[spice veldt]

i think rending is fine if you're using a specific playstyle where most of your damage is on your other weapons, which i do run, but it is more niche because your teammates are probably not quite so well at taking advantage of the brittleness or just run weapons that have good baseline adms for the situation

[nocturne dust]

Have you considered enjoying more boring stuff like me

[echo root]

I feel so useless against horde with voidstrike

It's like you only have venting shriek stacks to deal with hordes

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrikers when they don't have a hallway

[haughty star]

some get it, some don't

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's Strike + ball spam isn't bad at all

[haughty star]

gotta look beyond what you're tryna kill

the rest will die in time

[quartz barn]

Make your own hallway by finding good sightlines and corners

[spice veldt]

this is why the true darktide endgame is discord arguments

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-bill-pai-mei-wise-man-nod-nodding-gif-5291762

[haughty star]

oh god i'm there early

[spice veldt]

tragic

skipping the progression of the game

[quartz barn]

Obv if you're gonna stand in the middle of the room you're gonna have less succes with void

[nocturne dust]

remember to touch grass

[spice veldt]

(no)

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-touch-grass-alphabet-soup-meme-gif-25868068

[radiant frigate]

sibling, don't get carried away

[haughty star]

Me? It wasn't posted in hostility lol

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-little-girl-drinking-too-cool-chilling-yeah-whatever-gif-27534207

[radiant frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653799011676979200/804606130672238612/cat_gets_splash_stupid_idot.gif

[nocturne dust]

I AM ONE WITH THE WARP

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[haughty star]

I'm waiting on my child to fall asleep so I csn have my spot in my bed

Well, one of them

And also putting together yet another curs-ed assail vent combo lol

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodcartier-gif-25896845

[haughty star]

Assail vent go so nicely together. Got the stuff to kill stuff quick, got the stuff to kill stuff slow, stave does the rest

[nocturne dust]

How to put your child to sleep:

[echo root]

Me every time I pull out Electro after playing Purg for 12 matches in a row.

[uncut sinew]

why not make the build have sciers instead of vent? Benefits both purg and assail, not necessery to build a semi-soulblaze build for purg

[nocturne dust]

DoT builds are my favorite, I love just applying a slow poison to everything and watching them fall over for no reason

[nocturne dust]

oh ur pink now

[strong gulch]

sparky bleed knife

[uncut sinew]

always was

[nocturne dust]

huh

You weren't before for me

idk wat it even means

[uncut sinew]

discord nitro didn't pay through, so i was without my pink name this morning

[strong gulch]

I saw that. Usually is pink but was red for a bit.

[uncut sinew]

yes

nitro did the funny

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-kropp-bernie-the-incredibles-theres-a-tack-gif-6465619827017573809

[strong gulch]

rude

[haughty star]

Soulblaze stacks are exponential. Baseline higher= quicker ttk on big stuff

[spice veldt]

i don't quite like scrier's when i have a staff since i can't be assed to control my peril more, and i don't want to invest 2 extra points for warp unbound (with scrier's specifically), so I end up running vent or shield

[uncut sinew]

but sciers funny with purg

[haughty star]

Also yeah I don't wanna manage peril that much

[uncut sinew]

fair

i don't mind it

[spice veldt]

no wait i don't upgrade shield either

so i guess i just hate spending points into ults

[echo root]

What's shield?

[spice veldt]

middle ult

[haughty star]

I upgrade shield. That bubble becomes a octagon when you got 10 percent toughness in it lol

[echo root]

No Vent?

[strong gulch]

It is not a good build, but I do enjoy trauma with WU. Just play at 100% peril.

[nocturne dust]

Can we replace the peril gen reduction node on Scrier's with a node that actually makes it interesting for staves

[spice veldt]

one of my philosophies is to avoid benefitting teammates so that's my reasoning for not taking dome

i know, i'm a teamplayer

[haughty star]

I take it selfishly when I'm running bb to give myself a safe space to save the game in

[nocturne dust]

I take dome to benefit myself because my fingers get tired

[haughty star]

[echo root]

You lose like one gazillion dps by not taking vent

[runic juniper]

warp unbound gives you only 5 seconds to blow up from peril out of 12-30 seconds. I dont have to care about edging it to keep 100% cleave or 33% toughness dmg reduction and 20% dmg bonus

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-mike-myers-gif-13007708148595121897

[haughty star]

Vent is dummy thicc

[runic juniper]

thats what i like

[strong gulch]

True, but putting a cup on the slug is funny.

[spice veldt]

purg is dishing out a bunch anyways, and i'm making it up by hitting enemies at range with assail as well (as well as having two points to spare)

tradeoffs, tradeoffs

[echo root]

Vent stacks ignores the max soul blaze limit of 15 stacks, it's literally the biggest damage increase you can get on purg.

[uncut sinew]

i also edge for long periods of time () with sciers and when a situation calls (a big ass horde) i stop controlling it and unleash what i've been edging for

[spice veldt]

yeah, but the overwhelming majority of enemies are dying before you reach that anyways

it's nice that they die faster and it's good inded

i just don't think it really matters when purg is hitting them anyways

[haughty star]

Vent in its current state is hard to even argue with damage wize, like yeah you're gonna get a ton more outright damage wirh scriers but the vent is always gonna be the clear winner

[echo root]

Venting doesn't even cancel your purgatus RMB, it's the GOAT.

[nocturne dust]

I mean

neither does scrier's iirc

[haughty star]

Crushers

[echo root]

Fuck Scrier's Gaze

[haughty star]

The main argument for vent stacking blaze

[nocturne dust]

Someone gets it

[runic juniper]

like you can easily keep 100% peril an entire game without blowing up lol. makes way more sense for shooty builds instead of staffys but that doesnt mean it doesnt work with them

[spice veldt]

i always snipe melee elites with melee if need be for perilous combustion and uncanny strike unethicalities

[echo root]

Gotta edge for warp rider and warp nexus

https://tenor.com/view/edge-gif-24763835

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/rumpelstiltskin-shrek-edging-anita-max-wynn-gif-1738291366090069732

[uncut sinew]

i personally see sciers as a dps variant of shriek

[haughty star]

Wut

[uncut sinew]

meant to reply to this

[haughty star]

Damage wise shriek will always win in its current state at high diff

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-mario-nut-super-nut-gif-13073710

[haughty star]

Its just too powerful lol

[runic juniper]

at that point in the tree, the guarenteed crits just below is enough without nexus unless it is purg or trauma

[echo root]

Press F to kill everything onscreen. (Slowly)

[haughty star]

slow roasted heretics

[nocturne dust]

Me when I pressed F 6 seconds ago and there are no elites to feed my cooldown

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-cute-crying-pien-pleading-gif-4559567272081104665

[haughty star]

the most addicting part about shriek for me is the kills you never get to see

like poor ass trapper ain't even out the spawn door and got burned alive or some shit

[echo root]

Me when I pressed F and my teammates are shooting at the horde that is already on fire.

https://tenor.com/view/rare-reeeeee-dank-meme-triggered-gif-24062717

[runic juniper]

that killfeed mod that shows the kills of literally every enemy only makes sense with shriek

[nocturne dust]

The most satsifying part is definitely when I get the sniper with the shriek

[runic juniper]

dont need to know that a poxwalker died in any other case

[haughty star]

i personally think the most satisfying sniper drops are the assail ones cuz it's like watching a slowball go out of field for a homer

lots of buildup lol

vets, zealots scrambling for their secondary, oggies whipping out the kick back

space magic comes in from left field to save the day

[echo root]

Real Zel chads just press F to throw their knife.

https://tenor.com/view/knife-flying-gif-7614708805578361103

[nocturne dust]

lmao I find those the most annoying because it takes too long

[haughty star]

i just think it's funny that everyone scrambling to kill it when you know that mf gonna die lol

[runic juniper]

assail rightclick is either the most satisifying or annoying thing to use and theres no inbetween

decide destiny shooter that doesnt die from its headshot vs a trapper who gets zinked right before the net comes out

[haughty star]

this is what imma try on burga tomorrow. not sure about the ee point tho, it is really strong on burgy boi but i might reinvest to get additional targets or quietide

[runic juniper]

extra cleave kinda eh when you already have purga with infinite, even if it helps assail

[haughty star]

i'm thinking with assail fuckery and FLAMETHROWER burga soulstealer will probably give me a piggybackride

and it's one of those instances where the point doesn't make a whole lot of sense to reinvest if i don't take another out somewhere

[runic juniper]

also this aint burga with out the B

[haughty star]

it is what i make it

https://tenor.com/view/joedirt-home-whereyoumakeit-gif-27174284

[runic juniper]

Aurga

instead of Burga

[haughty star]

aurga

kinda sounds like auric

[runic juniper]

Thats it im taking Surga

[haughty star]

(literally not at all)

idk does extra cleave make the ds4 hit like 5 targets instead of 3?

[runic juniper]

ogryn tries to pronounce 'aw-rick'

[runic juniper]

it helps but again, purga

[echo root]

Crit dodge doesn't really do that much in my experience

Put it in quietude

[runic juniper]

you only really pull ds for stabby elites

[haughty star]

well in this use case i'd be maining melee and assail most of the round

(totally not leaning on vent)

not one bit

the idea for me is putting the damn purga away lol cuz it's so boring unless there's literally a clusterfuck in front of you

[runic juniper]

crit dodge ok but i donno how it does on purga where you should be m1 puffing to stagger whatever shoots you anyways

[echo root]

I recently took it off after using it for a long while, honestly can't tell the difference.

[haughty star]

darktide rounds don't go perfectly like ever. alot of times ee has saved my ass from the unopportune gunner that posted up from around a corner is astounding

i only advocate for it's usage on purga and vraks/recon

other than that it's garbage imo

[runic juniper]

any scriers build is insane with it since every ranged attack will crit basically

[nocturne dust]

it's only 20% crit

[haughty star]

idk about column cuz i personally hate the weapon but recon psyker is literally immortal so long as you got gas (ammo) in the tank (gun)

staves are a rule are shit with ee

https://tenor.com/view/slingblade-no-gas-gif-19219729

[runic juniper]

the 5 headshots into crit talent below it in particular. I never take scriers without it unless im doing purga or trauma

[echo root]

It's 1 second on crit, you're not critting 1/s with purga.

[haughty star]

yes but when it does crit it's critting for many seconds

ope

meant for the guy above

[runic juniper]

you fool

now i instead will lecture to you how youre wrong

[nocturne dust]

scrier's trauma?

[runic juniper]

i have not done that yet

[haughty star]

that's it i'm breaking out the LMB scriers macro build

[nocturne dust]

🤮

[runic juniper]

rebind quell to lmb and you can brag that your not using a macro

[haughty star]

no i like my macro

[nocturne dust]

I use lmb spam without quell cancel

[uncut sinew]

trying this out later today, should be an interesting build

[haughty star]

ope that one's reserved for later

[runic juniper]

this tree gets worse the longer i look at it

[uncut sinew]

i know lmao

[nocturne dust]

I want more tree

Fatshark, make us Path of Exile

[uncut sinew]

it's with purg aswell

[runic juniper]

im honestly surprised you dont have that one dumb talent right above shriek no one takes

[nocturne dust]

Unlucky for Some

[uncut sinew]

that would be the cherry on cake

[runic juniper]

i mean where else would the soulblaze come from for that 5% crit and toughness lol

[nocturne dust]

Unlucky for Some + Warp Rupture build?

[uncut sinew]

soublaze trauma

could be fun aswell

[runic juniper]

i dont even know if thats worse or better

[uncut sinew]

it must be tested

[runic juniper]

just take voidstrike blazing spirit, but swap the scriers talents for 20% peril reduction instead

[uncut sinew]

or

60% peril reduction with purg

what peril?

infinite sciers

[runic juniper]

wait wait wait hold on just a fucking moment...

you're missing crystaline will

[flint spear]

There was a soulblaze trama build utilizing true aim and left clicks

[runic juniper]

you dont need that 20% warp rider damage

[uncut sinew]

perfection.

[runic juniper]

aw you still got warprider tho

[uncut sinew]

shit you're right

[runic juniper]

wait witf

how didnyou

that is so fucking dumb LMAO

[uncut sinew]

i'm running this as my main now

[runic juniper]

the 2 point investment for that talent lol

[steep estuary]

[uncut sinew]

[steep estuary]

What weapons you taking?

[uncut sinew]

purg and mk4

i believe this build aint gonna be that bad

looks fucking cursed, might work though

[steep estuary]

Y'know what? It'll certainly do something

[flint spear]

oh no not the crystalline will

[uncut sinew]

[nocturne dust]

Use battle meditation instead of perfect timing

[runic juniper]

i mean scriers off of assail should do decent enough

[steep estuary]

I... kinda like crystaline will. It was really silly deliberately exploding in a crowd and being like, whoops I tooted.

[uncut sinew]

i think this will suffice

[runic juniper]

it dont splode enough to be worth, aint even as good as a vet nade

[uncut sinew]

most definetly will

[runic juniper]

if crystaline will gave you full hp minus the missing wounds as if you just got revived then it might of actually been goated

[uncut sinew]

it would've

or it would've taken half a wound instead of a full one

and no downing

[runic juniper]

even that is egh, because then the only reason you want it to go off is the dumb splosion

[flint spear]

no warp rider w/ gaze n warp unbound 👩‍🦽

aint no way

that's literally free

[uncut sinew]

true

[runic juniper]

but like regening hp in the middle of a fight by maxing out peril would be cool

[nocturne dust]

that's da joke

[runic juniper]

also people who dont understand why you'd want to go down to reset hp need silent bursters up their alley 24/7

[nocturne dust]

I would've preferred crystalline will ogryn bomb over hp regen

[runic juniper]

anyone would but aint no way they actually going to make a overload explosion cool again

vt1 sienna teamkill explosion my beloved

would be amazing to use wounds as grenades though

[flint spear]

you can explode w/ crystalline will when you are out of toughness, that's... psyker's VoC🤔

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/looks-like-it-couldnt-stand-gif-18091870

[strong gulch]

tenderized

[dull osprey]

fo real get the screen effect mod and disable 90% of this hshit so you can actually see whats happening

[potent echo]

Yes

Also the game has peril fx slider natively

[fiery stratus]

It's a repost but it's a classic

[slate oasis]

99% of pub players when they go down and you take more than half a millisecond to pick them up:

[quartz barn]

Wait im confused

I dont even have screen fx mods and my screen doesnt look this fucked up

Dont think ive changed ingame settings for it either

[upper sun]

me when i see a bulwark

[potent echo]

The correct response

[radiant frigate]

yes very true

[steep estuary]

I gotta try the heavy sword more

[flint spear]

gotta try those 200 dmg overhead against carapace

[teal fog]

fuck

[strong gulch]

That's the correct dump. Out of mats??

[teal fog]

i wanted it as low as possible and everything else at 80

[strong gulch]

Oh gotcha.

Yeah. I am ordoless trying to do that.

[strong gulch]

SAME lmao

[teal fog]

lol

[strong gulch]

It can be lower tho.

[austere warren]

Who got some psyker builds they've been enjoying lately? I must branch out from right tree.

[strong gulch]

Good ole surge staff with WC PC and shriek

[strong gulch]

Assail trauma for if you don't want that.

[strong gulch]

My gambling will continue.

[summer prairie]

this was a regular shop purchase

[strong gulch]

Nice. I just checked the shot and saw a knife with the dristribution that I want.