psyker-class

[kindred edge]

It's a bummer that there's basically no reason to ever special on Deimos

Just H2 headshot instead

[radiant frigate]

obscurus and illisi have negative dodge range, deimos has improved dodge range

other than that runspeed is the same

[summer prairie]

deimos dodges are also way faster

[radiant frigate]

faster in what way

less time between dodges?

[summer prairie]

in terms of your speed/acceleration

[radiant frigate]

i see

[summer prairie]

deimos side dodge chaining is faster than sprinting

[broken carbon]

best dodges is deimos

[summer prairie]

Peak deimos dodge speed vs Iliisi

when they still had infinite dodges, iirc deimos side dodging was around the same as knife sprinting

[pulsar hazel]

yeah I remember the inf dodge

ffs

I was about to do a 0 damage aurdamn

my game crashed 90% into the mission

=n=

fucking fatshark

[upper sun]

no stamina diemos

[pulsar hazel]

I'll probably stick to cknife since I don't make any use of deflector

why deflect when you can kill :P

[orchid ibex]

i'm experimenting with my curios a bit because no stamina psyker kind of feels like ass at times. i have 1 hp and 2 toughness right now, would it be a bad idea to drop the hp or should i drop one of the toughness for stam?

it would put me under the 200 hp i've seen people mention for surviving certain things

[thorn cedar]

are you using KD

[crisp yacht]

i like 1 stam 2 toughness

[summer prairie]

it's usually much better to have +2 stamina on your melee than to drop a health/toughness curio

[late sapphire]

I used to run 1stam 2toughness but recently swapped over to 1stam 1hp 1 toughness and can definitely recommend it over 1stam 2toughness, the extra hp breakpoint is pretty useful

[orchid ibex]

yeah i use KD

[fringe garden]

What do you mean by HP breakpoint?

Is it enough to survive a 1 hit from a crusher or something

[late sapphire]

If you have a bit more than 200 hp, you can survive an extra sniper shot and poxburster

[fringe garden]

Ah, nice

[late sapphire]

Of course if you take chip damage it's moot but it means if you are say recently ressed you're not in danger of oneshots

[orchid ibex]

i was running stamina, 2 toughness in the past because i was thinking that any chip damage negates the extra hp breakpoint thing anyways

[thorn cedar]

you only need stamina to sprint and to push/push attack if you have KD

so sprint efficiency > stamina imo

[late sapphire]

stamina also multiplies kd efficiency

[thorn cedar]

yeah but at baseline with KD you basically have an ogryn-sized block bar

needing more than that is like ... idk

[late sapphire]

sprint efficiency is kind of silly on psyker because if you really need the speed you can slide chain

[thorn cedar]

gratuitous?

[fringe garden]

Empyric Resolve also makes KD that much better

It's an obscene amount of blocking potential

Can just facetank gunners for ages

[late sapphire]

Yeah ER is the same as extra 3 stam

If you have deflector you need nothing else anyways

[fringe garden]

Yeah

It's overkill

[late sapphire]

i run a 3stam for my ds

[orchid ibex]

i use ER and KD on most of my staff builds

[fringe garden]

The mod that removes the visual effect from blocking with the force swords is great also.

[orchid ibex]

maybe i should just stick to hp, 2 toughness on those

[fringe garden]

Just wanted to plug that, because it's amazing

[late sapphire]

It takes the magic out of the magic

I don't like it

[fringe garden]

Yeah but being able to see is great

[late sapphire]

Matter of fact i would embrace more visual effects

[orchid ibex]

the blocking effect does kind of blind you

[fringe garden]

And it's mind magic, I don't need to be able to see it

[late sapphire]

Let me shoot lightning out of my butt when sprinting

[fringe garden]

The normal effects are just too much for me.

[orchid ibex]

i'm with you on that, some of the visuals are kind of overload for me. i actually use that too so i can see what the hell i'm trying to block

but as for the stamina thing, i used to run stamina and 2 toughness when i was using cknife a lot

it does make sense though if i'm going with both er and kd to not bother

[pulsar hazel]

Should I bother with any assail upgrades?

[orchid ibex]

depends on the build. for my gunker setup i get the faster recharge simply because it's tied to me not running out of ammo as fast. i'm no expert though.

[radiant frigate]

both ok

[jovial juniper]

Quick Shard

[radiant frigate]

faster recharge good if non-staff

extra targets ok too but less noticeable with warp-splitting

[modest perch]

Quick shart

[orchid ibex]

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[thorn cedar]

quick shard is pretty pointless tbh

extra pierce is always applicable even with warp splitter, the bonuses compound if you have both

you should just be tossing one or two shards out and weaving it between melee attacks, and otherwise right click Shards take long enough to throw that even base recharge rate means you never really run out

[orchid ibex]

@thorn cedar quick shard isn't pointless for a gunker in my opinion, i'm using assail to clear trash so i don't have to waste ammo

[thorn cedar]

use ur melee

[orchid ibex]

never

[radiant frigate]

weak

[orchid ibex]

i'm joking of course, but there are times when i just like having more shards to throw at range

feels a little more consistent to me

[thorn cedar]

ive just genuinely never hit zero unless i was panic spamming

[radiant frigate]

clearly you do not like assail enough

[orchid ibex]

yeah, i like watching them zoom around

mag dump it

[hollow current]

melee is for dunking on carapace.

[inland magnet]

This is for dunking on carapace and flak

[radiant frigate]

melee is for dunking on all things

[orchid ibex]

i use melee plenty but i like the extra charge on assail just so i can more flexibly throw them out and not waste my gun's ammo on my gunker setup. on voidstrike or something i don't bother with either assail upgrade.

i'm probably not efficient with them either though

[late sapphire]

lol

[pulsar hazel]

ngl when I use assail I rarely make use of quick shard

[hollow current]

https://tenor.com/view/slam-dunk-pixel-gif-11572822

[pulsar hazel]

it requires me to interrupt my flow too often so I see the argument against it

[radiant frigate]

weird how ever since i stopped using voidstrike i wonder how i existed without assail

and then i equip voidstrike again and wonder why i brought assail

[orchid ibex]

spread out enemies?

[uncut sinew]

use seeerge with assail and you'll be playing with assail most of the game

clears out really well, just needs to be invested in

[radiant frigate]

i would like to melee most of the game

thus i now play vet

[uncut sinew]

assail illisi build is fun

[pulsar hazel]

does anyone have an assail/gaze/dd build I can use? I scarcely do gunker and the new talents are a bit overwhelming

[uncut sinew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1a18b8-edba-4905-8c4a-0b7e3ab2b68b/baller-assail-2

[pulsar hazel]

that uses EK, sorry I should've specified gunker

[uncut sinew]

give it a shot

really fun

[pulsar hazel]

I already had my fill of EK

not a fan sorry

[uncut sinew]

fair

i can respect this

[pulsar hazel]

thank you, i don't mean to disrespect

[uncut sinew]

non-taken

just doing my daily duty to try and convert people into maining assail

[pulsar hazel]

so far I'm operating with this but I'm unsure if it's any good tbf

[radiant frigate]

it isn't

[uncut sinew]

missing couple "mandatory" talents

[pulsar hazel]

yeah I don't really know what those are

[mossy oyster]

the only time gunker should hit 0 shards is warp unbound + warp rider + assail spam

[pulsar hazel]

psyker is my least played especially with the new update

[mossy oyster]

I do not see a use personally for quicker shards

[orchid ibex]

I mean, I probably just have no discipline with them

Something inside me wants to see more flying around

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-that-fits-yeah-that-fits-gif-22103625

I mean they are fun to throw around

dont fault ya there

I just dont personally need a use for quicker shards cause mine are always up unless the aforementioned situation happens (warp rider+unbound=spam assail)

but with warp rider and being at 100% peril i can just shit on things anyway with my gun or melee

[uncut sinew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d6740ec-0457-4aa2-b390-29e16b541376/gunker-11?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

neva played gunker, but this seems like a proper build imo

[pulsar hazel]

isnt this almost identical to the one i sent

[fringe garden]

gunker is blasphemy

[uncut sinew]

^

[uncut sinew]

i changed couple talents

i forgot the names so i said fuck it and made a build lmao

[hollow current]

nothing wrong with the lead stave

[uncut sinew]

boring imo

i play psyker to avoid guns

that is why veteran and zealot exist

[late sapphire]

warp expenditure 😔

[mossy oyster]

real gunker build

[late sapphire]

yeah this looks better

[mossy oyster]

and heres my curios for people that wanna see that

[late sapphire]

would consider swapping warp speed for one with the warp

but speed is pretty fun

[mossy oyster]

I will always abuse speed

and be a speed demon

non negotiable talent for me on scriers

[late sapphire]

Best survivability is just letting the ogryn 1v1 whatever while you blast

[uncut sinew]

me likey warp expenditure

[late sapphire]

It's bad

[uncut sinew]

facts

[late sapphire]

It sucks even

[uncut sinew]

most definetly

but fun

[orchid ibex]

Paradise's build is good, I used that last time they posted it here

[mossy oyster]

just dont have your toughness break

simple enough right

[uncut sinew]

he has a point

[mossy oyster]

(me when I dont dodge 1 shotgunner blast and am knock backed into instant death and tness break)

[uncut sinew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850672089118933012/1265148909941166131/gamingglorpslam.gif

[mossy oyster]

the life of gunker

live by the gun

die by the gunner/reaper

[uncut sinew]

ironic

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/yamcha-yamcha-death-pose-yamcha-dead-yamcha-on-the-ground-yamcha-sleeping-gif-15816799

[mossy oyster]

basically

[thorn cedar]

oh no, yamcha got yamcha'd

[young spear]

i blew up via scrier's gaze despite having warp unbound

very unlucky bug

[late sapphire]

did it happen just as scriers ended?

[uncut sinew]

i've had that same happen to me several times in the past couple of days, even in midway of sciers

there is a bug at the end of it though

[orchid ibex]

Yeah, that scriers bug is brutal.

[idle marsh]

Is Assail good on gun psyker?

for more crowd control and to keep the warp rider effect high

[late sapphire]

yes

Saves ammo

[nocturne dust]

Assail is gunker's partner in crime

[idle marsh]

why not Gyker

[late sapphire]

i wonder, is there a way to use the bell to skip to kornak twins in a solo run?

[heavy ember]

what staff are you guys maining for auric maelstroms?

[patent mango]

bistol /s

i'd use surge if i was using a staff tho

[nocturne dust]

Because gunker is more self-explanatory for noobs

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Any staff works on auric

[heavy ember]

real

[nocturne dust]

I switch between them pretty evenly.

[heavy ember]

so far my fav is inferno

[nocturne dust]

Not a bad choice.

[heavy ember]

i hear people like voidblast, why is that?

[late sapphire]

It's a good staff

[nocturne dust]

It's the safest staff

[split lance]

Yeah

I’d say easiest staff to get a mil on imo

[nocturne dust]

blackhole staff when

[shrewd comet]

for electro staff, is it flak/maniac? (non-light attack build)

[late sapphire]

Fellas i am embarking on the boring path to get flawless execution...

Yeah flakiak is solid

[nocturne dust]

It's flak and [preference]

[shrewd comet]

flakiac lol

[nocturne dust]

I use unyielding

lets me 3-shot reapers

[late sapphire]

flak crit is also okish

unyielding maniac carapace crit

carapace is only crushers on rmb

[shrewd comet]

which elites are flak?

[late sapphire]

mauler, gunners, shotgunners

[nocturne dust]

maulers, gunners, shotgunners, the armored rager

[late sapphire]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2913833851

surge rmb hits central mass

[shrewd comet]

so i could run flak/unyielding then

[nocturne dust]

yes, you could

[late sapphire]

scab captains too lol

unyielding is monstrosities, reaper, bulwark

[shrewd comet]

maniacs are...dogs muties and ragers then?

oh i'll just click the link lmao

[burnt star]

maniacs are crazy do

dog

[strong gulch]

Dog is infested.

[shrewd comet]

crushers are always just carapace yes?

[late sapphire]

all specials are maniac/flak!

humanoid specials

[strong gulch]

The color charts are nice. If you are in the meat grinder, you can see what are hitting.

[tribal shuttle]

Hello, what's the dump stat for the dueling sword?

[strong gulch]

cleave damage on DS2 and DS4

defenses on DS5

When you change marks, they are the same bar.

[tribal shuttle]

Ty

[nocturne dust]

or mobility

That's also an option

[late sapphire]

mobility is like 5% sprint speed and 1% dodge distance

[strong gulch]

Yeah, mobility is another option.

[late sapphire]

cleave damage is 10% infested and unarmored dmg

[nocturne dust]

Dump both and get your other stats higher (I wish)

[strong gulch]

Cleave damage fix when?

[late sapphire]

the 10% unarmored is maybe useful ish for dreg gunner heads

[strong gulch]

Give me my 5 extra damage to infested, unarmored, AND flak.

[nocturne dust]

Right after they add solo mode

[late sapphire]

What i want is the ability to hit the karnak bell solo 😭

Now i have to do 8min magistrati runs rather than 2min karnak runs

[young spear]

yeah :(

odd bug

ive seen several times where i do the peril overload animation, but then the game realizes that i have warp unbound and stops me from blowing up

[late sapphire]

Do you have battle meditation?

[young spear]

no

[strong gulch]

crystalline will?

[young spear]

no

[heavy ember]

blessings and perks for voidblast?

[strong gulch]

flak + crit chance
nexus + blazing spirit

[strong gulch]

Then IDK.

[young spear]

it was a meme m1 build i did for playing with my friend

blowing up the first time made it a bit scary to use, especially since it did the peril overload animation several times over

i have the warp unbound timer mod at the top center

[strong gulch]

Video is the standard SG bug. 🥲

[young spear]

dis is so sad

mean headache for mashing m1 too much 😔

[strong gulch]

idk about that bug triggering and then getting saved outside of battle med and crystalline will

[young spear]

just have to accept death at that point i suppose

its fine, i wasnt really a big fan of the build

was just trying to get masteries on the staff

[strong gulch]

It's easier to trigger the SG bug on fast attacking peril gen attacks, but if you hold off before you reach 100% peril and allow WU to kick in, you're good.

[late sapphire]

5 runs of malice oubliette done...

[vestal radish]

new to psyker, any recommended builds I should aim towards?

[late sapphire]

A lot of the builds need a high level to really come together, staves suck at low level - put points into assail->scriers gaze (warp unbound) -> disrupt destiny and that'll do the trick in lowish difficulties

#psyker-class message

[vestal radish]

do you have a link to a guide for it? I needa remember it so I can keep aiming towards it lol 😅

[late sapphire]

This is (more or less, somewhat out of date) what i run now

[vestal radish]

oh, thanks

:)

[late sapphire]

In short, the dueling sword is for nearby specials and single crushers or maulers and for mobility, the voidstrike deals with everything quite well but only in straight lines, assail kills chaff and small elites

This isn't really a low skill / noob build, it's a bit more involved than empowered psionics smite spam or something where you just sit there and electrocute away so it might take a bit of getting used to

[shrewd comet]

hate to see it. joined quickplay on a mission that literally ended as i joined.

https://i.imgur.com/hjpcPFv.png

[feral knoll]

Do force axes/hammers exist in lore?

[ripe inlet]

literally go nowhere @chrome dock

[late sapphire]

apparently force hammers and force rods are commonish too

grey knights get force halberds too...

[feral knoll]

Dude if there was a common force halberd for us to get that would be aesthetically cool as hell

[pulsar hazel]

yurp since grey knights are the inquisitions custodes

so they gotta have their own version of the guardian spear

[late sapphire]

salivating rn

[patent mango]

force gs......

[late sapphire]

force fist, force greatsword, force dual falchions

[chrome dock]

Ok that is actually pretty funny

[late sapphire]

In the dystopic far future of warhammer 40000 people wear tubes as fashion accessories

[steep estuary]

The excessive tubes do lower the aesthetics, but I'll take tube shibari over the zealot gimp mask.

What a sentence...

[strong gulch]

A masterpiece.

[pulsar hazel]

ngl it's never gonna happen but a sentinel blade would be so cool

it's a power greatsword with bolters instead of a guard

one of my fav 40k weapons because it's so stupid but so cool

[nocturne dust]

So I tried gunker again and I'm happy to report it finally felt good

All it took was permanent yellow toughness from 2 shout vets and a book zealot

[strong gulch]

[split lance]

The stupider. The better

Personally I’d like Blade of Antwyr

[pulsar hazel]

fuck yeah it's so cool on the tabletop

[split lance]

I’ve never played tabletop

[pulsar hazel]

i've seen minis of it

[split lance]

Garran Crowe goes hard

[pulsar hazel]

True.

love to see GK love

my fav faction

[split lance]

Iirc. In current lore. He no longer has the sword right?

I didn’t read it. Just heard it somewhere

Or did he die

[pulsar hazel]

I'm not super up to date to be honest I am the opposite of you in that I barely follow the lore and really just check out any media that looks cool while keeping up with the minis

[split lance]

I barely keep up with lore

I just watch reels

Or yt shorts

[pulsar hazel]

I avoid those because they give me brainrot

[split lance]

Simultaneously

[nocturne dust]

I'm only here for the gameplay

[pulsar hazel]

I oughta play that one GK game

[pulsar hazel]

it looked like grey knight xcom

wow literally

I wonder if there's any psy guns that our psykers could get

I only ever see grey knights with psy bolters though since they're kind of their thing

psy super-powered heavy bolters are fucking awesome

[split lance]

I’m pretty sure most psykers use staffs

[pulsar hazel]

of course silver tipped because why the fuck not 😭

[split lance]

Like that one blood angel Psyker

Idk his name

[pulsar hazel]

oh shit!!?

also psybolts

I forgot psybolts exist

a fucking psyker crossbow would be so sick

ohh mb psybolts are just bolter rounds

what are those crossbows called then

since i know the ordo hereticus uses them sometimes

oh its just straight up a crossbow okay lol

silver stakes engraved with sigils of disruption

that sort of stuff is way above our paygrade oh well

would be insanely cool if we got a psyker only bolt pistol variant that fires psybolts though

[split lance]

Not mine

😈

[pulsar hazel]

well the combi-weapon im pretty sure is one of a kind

but a psybolt pistol could be possible

i mean ffs our veterans are wielding power swords 😭

those things are insanely valuable

although i do not know the optics on how expensive force swords would be since i basically never see them outside of space marine equipment

[prime elk]

tbf they're PS from temu

loses charge after a few whacks

definitely not the top of the line stuff

[pulsar hazel]

nah jokes aside they definitely are supposed to be, same with thunder hammers and the such. at the end of the day in the meta-narrative we're operatives that passed the reject program and became agents of the ordo hereticus.

so we aren't exactly supposed to be working with bottom of the barrel stuff

introducing more high grade weapons wouldn't be completely out of the question now which is nice

power fist when >__>

[young summit]

Need power fists and melta guns

Need storm bolters for Ogryn

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cast-fist-tts-warhammer-40k-gif-16057546

[late sapphire]

Aren't force and power swords extremely rare and expensive anyways?

Idk gimme that force halberd

Even if i have to pry it out of the cold dead hand of a gray knight

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/where-everything-is-made-up-whose-line-is-it-anyway-dont-matter-speech-gif-16818708

[upper galleon]

that's a great way to get cold dead hands yourself

why must people bring their low level friends into auric lol

at least make it a private game

[nocturne dust]

So the friend can't have fun, the pubs can't have fun, but the guy who brought the low-level in can have fun

[vague furnace]

What's the dump stat on the psyker staffs

[native maple]

Quell speed

[vague furnace]

Ty

[slate oasis]

warp resist is the dump stat on all staffs except voidstrike which you dump blast radius on

[vague furnace]

@slate oasis not quell speed?

[slate oasis]

nah not quell speed

[vague furnace]

Would quell speed be like reload speed and resistance be clip size?

[slate oasis]

I suppose. you quell so fast that every staff basically feels like infinite ammo

[nocturne dust]

[slate oasis]

especially if you're using a venting shriek build

[nocturne dust]

Warp res is the dump stat because it does a lot less than quell speed

The difference between 60 to 80 warp res is very, very small amounts of peril

Which makes it kinda impressive that blast radius is somehow even less valuable on Voidstrike

[late sapphire]

14.5 to 13.5 perils on surge

Quell is 110% to 140%

7% decrease vs 20%+ increase idk

Plus quell speed works on sg blitz and force sword created perils too

[queen trout]

Well there's the peril to charge and peril to cast. Overall still a small im sure

[prime elk]

outdamaging the zealot with a melee psyker meme build

melee psyker... stryker?

meleeker sounds fucking terrible

[spice veldt]

unfortunately also one of the more informative spins on it

[potent echo]

Bonker is the another

[strong gulch]

Stabker

[nocturne dust]

Meleeker is meleeker

I like it because it's self-explanatory

[spice veldt]

fucker

[spiral surge]

My Psycher apparently can't unequip the Voidblast staff

[prime elk]

it sounds horrible tho

[ornate hamlet]

melyker

[nocturne dust]

Not really?

It sounds like a normal word.

🗿

[prime elk]

not really. doesn't fit the the flow of psyker, gunker, smyker, etc.

the extra syllable ruins it

[slate oasis]

real portmanteaukers add ker to the end of every wordker

[prime elk]

i'm just going to stick with stryker

[nocturne dust]

and nobody will know what you mean and you'll have to explain every time if there's not enough context 🤷‍♂️

[prime elk]

drip is all that matters

most people can prob figure it out

i have faith

[nocturne dust]

As cohesive and sensible as meleeker is in combat

[slate oasis]

without context I would assume stryker has something to do with voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

Si

Or monk psyker

[prime elk]

it'll be obvious with context

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-i-cast-fist-gif-18135032

Eh

[haughty star]

ok so like

[people have tried voidstrike with blazing right?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[haughty star]

like now that i understand what blazing and trauma do together wouldn't void strike just do the same thing?

[nocturne dust]

No

😔

[haughty star]

strange

weird flex on fatsharks part

[nocturne dust]

Imagine if trauma only did soulblaze in the epicenter

That's voidstrike blazing

[haughty star]

i also wanna try a res dumped VS to see what the difference in ball size do

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't change ball size, blast radius

it only affects the explosion at the end

which is why it is a dump

[potent echo]

It does change ball size doesn't it

[nocturne dust]

no

not unless Fatshark changed something without telling us

[potent echo]

There's a stat that's like 1.0-2.5 I always assumed that's ball size

Because it's so small what else could it be

[strong gulch]

They wouldn't do that. Right??

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/padme-4-panel-meme-attack-of-the-clones-padme-meme-anakin-padme-gif-6902972594242919448

[slate oasis]

time to start measuring some balls

[haughty star]

How does one even do that

i guess grab one with the lowest ball size you can get vs the largest

[nocturne dust]

Grab two staves of different radii, record, fire them at the same distance from a target, grab the frame the moment/the moment before it hits

measure pixels

[dusk void]

Question: If any of my teammates agros the deamonhost, do I have to save the teammate?

[prime elk]

no

[prime elk]

prob better not to save him in most circumstances

take the L and move on

unless you have a thunder hammer zealot or you're willing to spend time and resources

[nocturne dust]

no, but do it anyway

[dusk void]

Got called a bad player for not defeating a deamonhost, smh

[prime elk]

i get why people get upset over it, but in most cases, it's best just to move on

[dusk void]

Nope, ain't worth it. If I agro the DH, just let me die

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

If your team stops to deal with the DH, it is absolutely a dick thing to just ignore it and move on without your team

[dusk void]

Also, there were a crapton of gunners on them, so I went to kill them instead

[nocturne dust]

that's much more understandable

[dusk void]

Otherwise, I would've help

[nocturne dust]

Then you weren't doing what they accused you of doing

🤷‍♂️

[strong gulch]

No, I don't think you have to fight the DH if someone wakes it.

I do try, but it also depends on what's going on. If things are busy, then no I am not focusing on the DH. If I marked repeatedly and also said there's a DH and someone still runs into it... I'm less inclined to help.

But if the team as a whole goes to try to help, then def will as well.

If the team is preoccupied with something and you're handling the gunners shooting at y'all, then you did help.

[dusk void]

They wanted me to kill a DH with them with gunners pinned at them smh

[broken carbon]

no but u should

[dusk void]

They still got mad

[strong gulch]

That's a them problem. As far as I know, you're fine.

[dusk void]

They wanted to kill it quicker. Tf am I supposed to do? Zap the DH?

[strong gulch]

It's like going down. Make your peace with not getting saved; especially in aurics.

Surge is decent at consistent damage on DH because of how twitchy it is, but it doesn't burst the DH down super quickly.

[nocturne dust]

Force Hammer wheeeeeeennnn

[split lance]

DH mentioned ive been summoned

[strong gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[potent echo]

Melee the DH and pray

Depends on the situation

[slate oasis]

you don't have to, but if the whole group attacks the host it will usually die really quickly

but if no one else is helping and you don't have decent boss damage then not much you can do

[potent echo]

Yea if there's literally nothing else going on and you just leave them to go to the next room it's kinda trolling

[dusk void]

That is one of the reasons why I hate playing with heresy players? wanted a chill mission, got into a disagreement with team. They all go down fighting the damn thing

[potent echo]

Heresy

[dusk void]

I really do suck then, huh? Oh well, it's for the best

[restive slate]

How is Heavy Sword on Psyker?

[nocturne dust]

As good as heavy sword elsewhere. Crap.

[restive slate]

Man, I wanna use smth other than Duelling Sword

[nocturne dust]

Deimos

Illisi

Devil's Claw

[strong gulch]

Hmm that kinda makes more sense tbh. Ways of approaching things tend to be different as difficulty increases. More experienced players and what not.

[nocturne dust]

pick your poison

[slate oasis]

use the chainaxe

[restive slate]

Already using 1st two

[broken carbon]

kid named zealot hsword

or vet hsword

[restive slate]

Now THATS an idea

[broken carbon]

it’s only bad on psyker

[nocturne dust]

not that good

[dusk void]

Great heavy 2

[nocturne dust]

still not that good

[broken carbon]

this is just

straight up

wrong

hsword is contender for top 5

on zealot melees

[nocturne dust]

Not a chance

[broken carbon]

who’s the zealot main here

[spice veldt]

me

[broken carbon]

hi arco

agree with me

[spice veldt]

hi meow

[broken carbon]

i’m right

[spice veldt]

i agree with you

hsword good

[broken carbon]

yippee!

[nocturne dust]

And?

[slate oasis]

I actually find the one that does overhead swing heavies kind of fun on psyker

[broken carbon]

hsword is extremely strong!!

[dusk void]

I dislike playing as a zealot

[nocturne dust]

hsword being top 5 isn't that impressive considering the number of weapon families

[broken carbon]

nothing is as good at mixed hordes as hsword

[nocturne dust]

Crusher

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

[broken carbon]

hsword kills

crusher staggers

crusher is very good

[nocturne dust]

It don't kill carapace

And carapace is part of the mix

[broken carbon]

that is its sole weakness

[nocturne dust]

Sure but it's an important weakness

[broken carbon]

something like 5% of spawns are carapace

and just bring a bolter or revolver

and then carapace is no longer an issue

[nocturne dust]

Yeah and on auric that's a boatload of crushers

[broken carbon]

not really

it’s a few sure but

[nocturne dust]

[broken carbon]

@worn heron is able to keep up with me in damage with hsword

that alone proves it’s really strong

[nocturne dust]

To you, sure

[potent echo]

It doesn't matter that 5% is crushers if that 5% ends the run for you

[nocturne dust]

That means nothing to me

[broken carbon]

800k damage

pretty easily with an hsword

[dusk void]

There are other ways to achieve that same amount of damage w/o the hsword

[broken carbon]

yes

[nocturne dust]

There are a lot of ways

[broken carbon]

this is not something i deny

but with hsword it’s pretty easy

similar to the mk13g chainsword on zealot

[dusk void]

But damn, I respect you for that. You are a good player

[broken carbon]

for what

[dusk void]

using the hsword at mixed hordes

[spice veldt]

it's the usual snarky "you are a good player" statement when you try to say that something is good when they don't think it is

[broken carbon]

ohg

lmfao

thank u for explaining my personal autism translator

[dusk void]

They are a lot of good players here, better than me

[spice veldt]

very sad that hsword has this one weakness that your build can't possibly account for, like with the many other myriad builds in existence

[potent echo]

Good player for finding the alt+f4 button fr

[spice veldt]

sure, but people constantly say that in an argument and also just overstate the skill differences in this game

like come on

[haughty star]

jesus christ lol

[potent echo]

Give psyker a rending talent

[broken carbon]

they already did

[nocturne dust]

Psyker has a rending talent 😭

[haughty star]

it don't work tho i thought

[dusk void]

It sucks though

[potent echo]

An actual rending talent

[broken carbon]

it’s so bad that they forgot about it lmfao

[nocturne dust]

yes

[haughty star]

lmao'

imagine

[broken carbon]

it’s just so bad…

[nocturne dust]

Even if it did work it'd be awful

[haughty star]

just give us a flat increase

[broken carbon]

also true

[potent echo]

What if they changed warp rider to rending

[spice veldt]

die

[broken carbon]

mm yes conditional 10% rending when vet has it for free

balanced…

[haughty star]

oh god lol

[dusk void]

I'm listening

[potent echo]

We are ignoring all game mechanics with this one

[haughty star]

which one lol

[nocturne dust]

buff it to 100% rending

[broken carbon]

please don’t

[spice veldt]

hmm, i guess both meow and guihhelbie cuz why not

[broken carbon]

psyker is already OP enough rn

[potent echo]

I'm die

[broken carbon]

but

i’m swag…

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/raise-eyebrows-gif-3379585795829632091

[haughty star]

i don't really think psyker is OP personally

[broken carbon]

psyker is

[nocturne dust]

haters gonna hate

[spice veldt]

depends on varying definitions and broadness and specificity and whatnot i suppose

[nocturne dust]

No

[haughty star]

it still don't kill bosses nearly as quickly as dedicated bossing builds on others

psyker made to aoe

[broken carbon]

bosses aren’t threats

[nocturne dust]

They absolutely are

[haughty star]

the only thing op about psyker is smiteker in my opinion lol

[split lance]

That’s bc of skill

[spice veldt]

i very much do not like purgatus/trauma/smite/assail

[split lance]

Not Psyker

[nocturne dust]

the same as anything in the game, weak when alone, but terrifying when everything gets thrown at you together

[spice veldt]

peak skill when using purgatus/trauma/smite/assail (gesture in the vague direction of an enemy to hit them)

[haughty star]

na bro lol i'm literally carrying maelstroms on psyk

[nocturne dust]

Aiming is dumb

[split lance]

That’s not hard?

[broken carbon]

it’s like rashad, but with psyker

i used to think voidstrike was extremely OP, now everything else is so strong voidstrike is just on the side now

[haughty star]

and? quit tryin to argue my guy

[split lance]

Bc Psyker is op

lol

[spice veldt]

infinite cleave grnrghrnghngnhNHGNHRNHGNHRNGHRHGN (and well, very high cleave and no falloff also counts)

[nocturne dust]

Psyker is the glass cannon damage class, them doing damage makes sense and their damage output isn't that insane

[dusk void]

I honestly do believe that psykers can generate a huge amount of DPS better than any other class

[nocturne dust]

Yes

They also die to being breathed on

[haughty star]

its all aoe tho

[broken carbon]

we ignoring game mechanics with this one

[spice veldt]

having stuff that just ignores the hitmass mechanic by a large margin is silly

[nocturne dust]

and they lack single target damage

[dusk void]

AOE?

[broken carbon]

area of effect

[haughty star]

area of effect

[spice veldt]

well, there's melee for single-target (and gunker)

[nocturne dust]

Gunker is still mediocre

[split lance]

Not much glass when you have infinite toughness regen

[haughty star]

gunker isn't even close to op lol

[nocturne dust]

It ain't no thammer or glugger

and as gunker you lose a ton of your dps

[spice veldt]

i'm referring to "lack single-target damage" comment

i'm not making some wild statement

just a mild retort

[verbal thistle]

If only someone here plays gunker

[haughty star]

filling a pool that's 130ish at best

[haughty star]

that's fair.

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1293777782727512064/967ute.gif

[dusk void]

Not the acronym, but I don't think most staves have an AOE, right?

[split lance]

How’s it even worse resolution than before

[nocturne dust]

idk

[haughty star]

all staves are aoe lol

plus you have things like perilous and so on to make it more dumb lol

[broken carbon]

you can kill a boss faster with gunker than with thammer lol

[spice veldt]

i would strictly categorize trauma and purg under that, but voidstrike also has a good amount of cleave + no damage falloff

[nocturne dust]

You cannot

[dusk void]

The fuck? so even the lighting staff has an AOE?

[haughty star]

technically?

[nocturne dust]

Idk what you're on, but you absolutely cannot

[broken carbon]

yes u can

[split lance]

If it’s refilled at a faster rate than it’s lost….

[nocturne dust]

Bruh

[haughty star]

...........

nice hypothetical bozo

[nocturne dust]

Don't make me go to the psykh and record me wailing on a boss

😭

[haughty star]

2 hits from a ad kills that toughness pool

[verbal thistle]

Lol

[nocturne dust]

I dun wanna do this

[dusk void]

I am lost. Y'all are making my brain hurt

[haughty star]

all staves are aoe

psykers skill tree further encourages aoe

[split lance]

Are u not killing anything?

[broken carbon]

dw i’ll do it for you

[haughty star]

dude seriously shut the fuck up if you're just gonna try to pick fights with personal attacks based on "skill" lol

toxic as hell

[split lance]

Bro got angry

Online

lol

[haughty star]

all you do is try to pick fights and talk about your muscles in a shitty warhammer game discord dude youre straight pathetic

[split lance]

Why you bringing up my muscles?

That’s kinda gay ngl

[haughty star]

i just beat you to it this time around

[verbal thistle]

🍿

Internet moment

But yes, psyker has infinite toughness regen

[dusk void]

Please, not here. Do it somewhere else where we can all stream it

[verbal thistle]

The best in the game

Has like 6 talents just for that

[haughty star]

filling a health pool that takes 2 hits

[strong gulch]

You summoning me. ✨

[haughty star]

literally ezpz to chip

[split lance]

He was talking about my muscles. Heheheheheheh

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-shy-blush-blushing-oh-stop-gif-3555008

[nocturne dust]

until, y'know, you take ER which is the thing enabling all that damage

[verbal thistle]

?

[dusk void]

I have mixed feelings with ER

[split lance]

Fr. You have to try to not have infinite toughness

[nocturne dust]

Empyric Resolve is important for doing all that damage. You don't take ER, you drop Psyker back down to how they were pre-Unlocked and Loaded, which isn't bad but nobody complained about.

[haughty star]

the fact that it also has like borderline the worst toughness potential in the game kinda invalidates this whole ass argument

literally 2 hits from a ad breaks that lol

[split lance]

Sword + right click

Kinda invalidates

The whole ass argument

[haughty star]

bruh chip damage happens you dumb asf ngl

[verbal thistle]

Never said anything about damage just toughness regen

[nocturne dust]

and if you could block while doing the insane amounts of damage people complain about, that would be great

[nocturne dust]

Well, that's the discussion though

Psyker is a glass cannon

[split lance]

Do more dmg so they can’t get close

Smh smh

Or run in like me and die

Either or

[nocturne dust]

Psyker about to get stunlocked by the reaper:

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[split lance]

Surge go brrrrrr

[worn heron]

Hewwo..

Srry i was runnies..

I felt like runnies.. and it felt good..

I feel a lil better,,

[nocturne dust]

It's almost like there's interesting ways to solve problems in this game

[split lance]

Who woulda thought

[haughty star]

but yeah the only way people will not see psyker as not OP is by reducing the amount of AOE it does which would be a total nerf of the entire class and kinda invalidate even using the class to begin with

[spice veldt]

though 3 of the four staffs just shut reapers down

[worn heron]

Idk what the chat was about but yah i like the hs,, it's pawesome,,

[broken carbon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j0YZvbdgfNNs93TB5?invite=cr-MSxNQ2wsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

dumdum and unyielding on that ciag

[worn heron]

Can almost 1 shot a crusher w a chastise h1 w full stacks of hd and some sustained assault stackz,, w a crit,,

[restive slate]

What's the 4th that doesn't?

[broken carbon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j0YVmzPJEqDBOgFP1?invite=cr-MSxDaDksMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[spice veldt]

purg, though you can always get in range

just that the other three have the lmb bolt that can do it at any range

[worn heron]

High praise from meow,, i think she's probz one of the top 5 dt playerz in the whole wide worl,,

She wayy better than me,, by a wide meowrgin,, hs 9 is fun,,

[nocturne dust]

no second charge?

[restive slate]

On Psyker?

[nocturne dust]

Also, would the crit keystone be better?

[broken carbon]

you see me use it

[azure parcel]

Why is levelling Psyker so much pain

[broken carbon]

lol

[broken carbon]

no

marty technically would be

[split lance]

It is. Assail is pretty much ur best friend until your max

[restive slate]

Used to be worse

[worn heron]

Noh on zeal,,

[nocturne dust]

Dunno how I missed that

[split lance]

You can pretty much assail only ur way to cap

[broken carbon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j0YWSOERMaGHqPqkI?invite=cr-MSxwWWQsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

also heres this for funsies

[haughty star]

this is pretty bad for a thammer zealot lol

[azure parcel]

Yeah Assail + Shriek is pretty hot

[worn heron]

Psyker has way better options for doin their role

[azure parcel]

As is the Inferno staff

[worn heron]

Heavy sword isnt rlly a good psyker wpn

[azure parcel]

But good GOD does it suck to just fold over to two hits in melee

[haughty star]

idk shit about hammer zealot but a buddy of mine runs it and usually one taps pretty much all the bosses

[broken carbon]

thats stealth

[worn heron]

Idk why meow pinged me,, im not a good psyker player at all :p

[broken carbon]

i was pinging u to prove that hs is good

[haughty star]

yeah and you're using scriers on the psyker? i'm failing to see the difference here i guess

[nocturne dust]

(it's not)

[broken carbon]

that thammer is running +unyielding and that build has purge the unclean, for +45% on the thammer

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

[broken carbon]

wh

what

[azure parcel]

Is there a way to "guarantee" headshots with Assail?

Or no

[broken carbon]

scriers gaze is actually useful with psyker

[spice veldt]

not really

[broken carbon]

stealth thammer is useless

lol

[restive slate]

Anyone using Ironhelm Thammer anymore? Haha

[broken carbon]

its only good for boss kill

[spice veldt]

you can aim up w/ a right click to make it shoot straight up though

maybe that'll improve the chances

though i've never tested that

[haughty star]

mehhhh now we're just splitting hairs

[worn heron]

Hs is a great wpn on zeal

[azure parcel]

I thought that was only to guarantee which enemy you target?

[spice veldt]

assail headshots are filled with hopes and dreams

[azure parcel]

Rather than the random hoping

[nocturne dust]

So the same as gunker

[verbal thistle]

No

[broken carbon]

distance

and if you aim up, throw shards, then aim back down onto the targets, they'll hit heads more often, i believe @strong gulch told me about that

[spice veldt]

yeah, just that the right-click ensures a target lock-on regardless of the angle that you initially throw it at (and has a straighter path)

[broken carbon]

gunker is great at everything except carapace

[azure parcel]

[broken carbon]

lol

[haughty star]

your original statement was that psyker kills bosses faster than hammer zealot which it seems to me would be the stealth version at heart

[azure parcel]

I will try that thanks

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Gunker is only better than Staffker at bosses, and only bosses

[restive slate]

Aren't those breastst? Oh wait they don't exist in Darktide

[broken carbon]

and staffker is worse at bosses but insanely good at everything else

hence

OP

[azure parcel]

So stare upwards in the distance, release shards, look back down to enemies

[broken carbon]

because bosses are rarely threats

[spice veldt]

if nothing else, you might feel cool by locking on and then throwing an assail shard upwards

[azure parcel]

And pray to the God Emperor

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but no.

It's not OP.

[haughty star]

lol

[strong gulch]

That might have been me. I don't remember lmao.

[nocturne dust]

L take.

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/galavant-bit-of-a-stretch-stretch-smile-gif-4898322

[strong gulch]

Brain bad

[worn heron]

Me watching the purgatus psyker remove the need for all 3 teammates w two blessings and venting shriek creeping flames

[nocturne dust]

Nothing is a threat when it's alone. The issue is when it's not alone.

[dusk void]

I do agree with you to some extent. Bosses are your last priority enemy

[nocturne dust]

Most wipes happen when a boss exists.

[worn heron]

Actually i disagre

Most wipes happen ive noticed with armored enemies

[spice veldt]

if only staffker had options that deal really well with mixed hordes

[haughty star]

that can be said about any class if a player is good with that char and build lol

[worn heron]

People seem to struggle a lot w crushers/bulwarks

[ashen trellis]

whats recon lasgun's best dump stat?

[worn heron]

A normal auric spawn of a pack of them w some specials on hishock wipes

[verbal thistle]

Collateral

[worn heron]

Bosses seem to die instantly now lol

[haughty star]

you forgot the /s there

[restive slate]

When a stealth poxburster show up and your team is near a ledge*

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you're not wrong. Wipes happen when the game throws everything at you and people can't handle

[worn heron]

Ah the good player skill expression of holding right click and then pressing left click

Meow can u post the clip pls @broken carbon

Of the purg psyker

[haughty star]

L take

[nocturne dust]

Most wipes that don't feel like the game cheating*

[worn heron]

Yah a lot of ppl dont build around crushers or armor

[broken carbon]

yea

[split lance]

Bruh

[worn heron]

So they struggle

[split lance]

Lmao

[haughty star]

"the skill expression of doging around swinging a melee weapon" -zealot

[nocturne dust]

Now that I disagree with

[restive slate]

I sometimes even left click just to keep things exciting

[broken carbon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iLXHA2ftX4fYOnvPI?invite=cr-MSwyeUgsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[spice veldt]

well, i doubt that people consider melee that skillful

[nocturne dust]

I find most pubs take way too much anti-armor. Vets with kraks and bolters, and no answer to hordes.

[broken carbon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iLXKQ8E7vsdSssXee?invite=cr-MSx2UEIsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[haughty star]

yeah i forgot the /s there too lol

[spice veldt]

i did recognize it as a sarcastic response to what felinid says

but the existence of other non-skilled options doesn't make psyker's stuff any less lacking in skill

[haughty star]

lol what is this even proving?

[nocturne dust]

[worn heron]

And then the scoreboard

[broken carbon]

i dont have the scoreboard ready 2 go

[worn heron]

What about ism is what ur lookin 4

[broken carbon]

unfortunately

[haughty star]

a bottomless flamer will do the same if not better in those same instances lol

[worn heron]

Awh :<

[broken carbon]

i could find it

but

lazy..

[spice veldt]

i must unfortunately bash my head into what-aboutisms multiple times before i recognize them and leave the argument

[broken carbon]

the thing is bottomless flamer is uesless lol

[worn heron]

I dont recall zealot having any talents or abilities that synergize well with the flamer beyond anoint in blood

[broken carbon]

bottomless flamer is a meme!!

[worn heron]

Like, say, pushing the burn cap higher on groups on enemies,,

[haughty star]

in the instance that you're posting?

[broken carbon]

yea

[haughty star]

it would be literally the same if not better lol

[broken carbon]

because ammo is a thing

[worn heron]

Or making it so ur cooldown tkme is nil and also kills everything in front of you,,

[restive slate]

Used to be the 1st Ult

[broken carbon]

unfortunately zealots have to worry about running out of ammo, an infinite ammo flamer does not

[worn heron]

Or the existence of a burn cap in general w the flamer,,

[spice veldt]

well, it is useful to not need to reload, and ammo is plentiful in maps

[worn heron]

It's okay to say certain things are busted

[spice veldt]

kneecap both flamer and purgatus

[worn heron]

It's alright

This isn't real life

U arent in danger

[haughty star]

yeah and running purg as psyker you're stuck with a char that treats any little scratch like it's a mortal wound that's stuck with that for the entire game lol

[worn heron]

Purg is gnarly

[broken carbon]

damage blessings will out perform everlasting flame in 99% of situations

[nocturne dust]

no

[spice veldt]

yes

[nocturne dust]

No

Go away with your no fun

[worn heron]

It's all so tiresome

[spice veldt]

psyker can reasonably attain 120 tough and one with the warp to be tanky

[worn heron]

U know ur fun ruins the fun of every1 else right

[spice veldt]

the two weapons obviously ignore the hitmass mechanic way too much

[nocturne dust]

That's funny

[broken carbon]

deadvoid

[spice veldt]

i don't think it's funny

[haughty star]

skill issue

[broken carbon]

i will not lie to u

[worn heron]

Just cuz it's a pve game doesnt mean things shouldnt be balanced

[spice veldt]

i build into toughness and feel reasonably tanky on psyker

[broken carbon]

arco is better than u lmfao

[spice veldt]

not as tanky as the other classes, but I don't think that psyker is that squishy

[worn heron]

Im gonna touch the Dorn game scoreboard sign baz,,

[broken carbon]

i will trust arco on this

[nocturne dust]

Uh huh

[worn heron]

Arco is probs top 3 players in darktide

[restive slate]

When can I get PurgatusXVoidstrike staff? I wanna throw fireballs like Sienna

[spice veldt]

i don't think there's any skepticism to be seen

[worn heron]

Sure there is arco

[nocturne dust]

And the game should be balanced around the best players? No, no it shouldn't

[worn heron]

Tons of it

[spice veldt]

like, it's 120 tough and ~23% tdr average, which isn't terrible

[haughty star]

fer sure post a scoreboard for a zealot on a psyker main lol

[worn heron]

I know cuz i saw it too when i stuck my head in the sand

[spice veldt]

game should be hard on the hardest difficulty though

also i don't think i'm that skilled

[broken carbon]

that line of reasoning best applies to competitive games

[spice veldt]

you would not think so if you knew my playstyle

[worn heron]

Excusez excusez,

[haughty star]

massive fucking brains there bud. huge

[worn heron]

:3

[azure parcel]

~~it is really hard ~~

[worn heron]

U know it's just teasin

This is insane

[spice veldt]

multiple difficulty options exist to cater players of varying backgrounds, and you'll realize that DPS and damage taken is not the issue on lower difficulties

[broken carbon]

darktide is a game where the best players usually (some exceptions apply) are also the most knowledgeable about darktide

[nocturne dust]

It is. When you don't have 4 great players who spend way too much time playing this game.

[restive slate]

Arco saying they're not skilled makes me feel real bad about myself haha

[worn heron]

This is a treadmill convo

[spice veldt]

what are you insinuating here?

i don't play premades all the time

[haughty star]

the same people complaining the game is too easy have literally multi thousands of hours into it lol

[broken carbon]

purg psyker turns aurics into walking simulator but u kill crushers every now and again

[buoyant maple]

Lots of exceptions apply

[haughty star]

which is both sad and their own problem lol

[nocturne dust]

That the game's difficulty is fine 🤷‍♂️

[spice veldt]

but that's pretty valid when the purportedly highest difficulty is easy

[azure parcel]

I have like 300+ hrs in the game and my win rate in Aurics is like 30-40% tops.. and I consider myself about average because I've seen a LOT of worse players than me..

[verbal thistle]

True.

[spice veldt]

like, we can shift the difficulty range upwards and it wouldn't affect that much

[buoyant maple]

I know some things abt the game
But I’m ass

[spice veldt]

like, seriously

[buoyant maple]

[spice veldt]

load into a sedition game

and just see how things are

[broken carbon]

lmfao

[nocturne dust]

Sedition players when they can no longer play the game

[broken carbon]

normal damnation exists for a reason

aurics should be extremely challenging that only very good players can consistently complete

[spice veldt]

we have a lot of leeway to shift the difficulty upwards without affecting the ability of players at lower difficulties to succeed, and we can always just tweak things
or add a higher difficulty, which i despise but recognize is a pragmatic solution in a world where people complain about difficulty increases that ultimately don't affect people or can be trivially mitigated by choosing a lower difficulty

[haughty star]

yeah games shouldn't have a freak of nature mode i'm sorry lol

[spice veldt]

why not?

[haughty star]

like if you're that good at the game just move on bro lol

[spice veldt]

the option is there

[haughty star]

because they don't

[spice veldt]

if players want it, and the developers supply it, then why not

[broken carbon]

or consider that people actually enjoy playing the game and want to see it become a better game

[haughty star]

literally name one game that you can't basically master within a thousand hours

[nocturne dust]

that isn't really the point of aurics tho

Aurics are just a modifier that became popular

[broken carbon]

a modifier that became popular because very good players enjoyed the difficulty

[haughty star]

because the 500 neckbeards with thousands of hours in aren't holding the game together for money lol

[nocturne dust]

MMmmmmMMMMmm or just the increased enemies

[haughty star]

you don't matter lol

[spice veldt]

i mean, i reached my peak within 500 hours, and the rest is just autopilot from there
and there's no particular mechanical difficulty with psyker in particular, whose class weapons notoriously do not really require that much skill

[broken carbon]

neither do you and that’s okay

[nocturne dust]

If this were true, whales wouldn't exist

[broken carbon]

but i can still play the game and enjoy it, and hope for it to become better

telling someone that’s good at the game to just, “move on” because they’re so good is just stupid

[haughty star]

post your hours and then let's see why you're so salty about the game being "easy"?

[broken carbon]

i’m not salty

lol

[split lance]

How many hours ya got?

[haughty star]

because i'm guessing it's something literally inhuman

[nocturne dust]

The mechanical difficulty is in not dying

[spice veldt]

can't believe that hours played is being used in an argument against somebody now

[broken carbon]

1200 hours, realistically more like 1000 from just accidentally leaving the game running

[haughty star]

like 400 something lol

[nocturne dust]

Which, yes, is a thing you can ignore when you're very experienced and skilled at the game

[split lance]

More than me

[nocturne dust]

but I see psykers go down most often regardless

[spice veldt]

point is, lower difficulties exist for when the game is hard

that's what they are for

[broken carbon]

oh so you’re just salty because you want to play the highest difficulties but not actually experience it

see

[spice veldt]

strict balancing arguments don't make sense when multiple difficulties exist

[broken carbon]

the argument goes both ways

[haughty star]

see that's not the way you think it goes lol

[broken carbon]

anyway i have no wish to continue this conversation

goodbye

[haughty star]

when higher difficulties aren't accesible reviews go bad and game doesn't sell

[spice veldt]

sure

i agree with that

i stated something similar up above already

what new are you adding?

[worn heron]

[haughty star]

there's alot going on lol

[spice veldt]

damnation already exists as the prototypical "hard difficulty", and the addition of a newer and higher difficulty is going to be more palatable to people

[cunning yew]

when you die in auric maelstorm, you should die irl

[spice veldt]

so true

well, auric damnation i suppose