psyker-class

[keen solar]

Ones with good dodges

[strong gulch]

Illisi for hordes and help with peril gen for shriek spam.

DS4, DS2, and deimos for more single target focus.

Knife for run fast.

[keen solar]

Precog Shred Deimos my beloved

[strong gulch]

Dclaw for making ragers feel bad.

[keen solar]

Say goodbye Crushers

[scarlet garden]

Ah

I know most ppl like dueling sword but idk why just dont like it

[strong gulch]

precog shred is atypical, but if you like it and it works for you keep doing it

[keen solar]

Atypical?

[strong gulch]

Some people don't like DS. Give Deimos a try.

[keen solar]

If anything Precognition Bloodthirsty on an Illisi should be atypical

[strong gulch]

That is atypical.

[keen solar]

If that is atypical than what is typical?

[scarlet garden]

Ah force sword might try

[keen solar]

Uncanny Shred is always a good combo for just spamming lights

[strong gulch]

Meta for both illisi and deimos is uncanny + slaughterer.

[keen solar]

Idk why you'd take slaughterer when you get so much more build synergy from Shred

Unless it's a pure melee killing power build

Cuz on hit is usually better than on kill

[strong gulch]

However some do uncanny + [insert favorite single target blessing here] or crit blessing when doing just single target or SG builds.

[keen solar]

I remember when I used to use Haymaker

[strong gulch]

Uncanny + slaughter is general purpose.

[keen solar]

on combat knife as Psyker

Just pray to delete any elite bothering me

Those were funny days

[nocturne dust]

because shred is still rng in the end, and slaughterer boosts non-crits too

[keen solar]

Fair enough, I just say because it isn't hard for Psyker to get very high crit chance

[nocturne dust]

and on kill is very easy to activate with a horde

[nocturne dust]

eh, it's high but sending it higher isn't all that useful imo, and you can always have a run of bad luck

[keen solar]

I like on hit sometimes because it means that slapping bulwark shields gives you toughness back, and while that may seem useless, do note that you can also use them as cover from ranged fire too, so it's a nice combo.

Plus with so many ranged crit weapons for Psyker, it's like why not take the melee synergy?

idk

[nocturne dust]

It's not really synergy?

As a psyker you won't really benefit from more crit activations other than damage, and slaughterer does more than damage more consistently so 🤷‍♂️

[keen solar]

Well that's why I say Precognition Shred

Cuz crits count as dodging for ranged

which activates more Precognition

So you just build into crits and annhilate everything in melee

You don't need power so much more now with the increased cleave talent

[nocturne dust]

Eh, that depends on a lot of things tho

For one, you either take scrier's or waste time rubbing your sword to really benefit from warp splitting in melee

[keen solar]

I usually just use it with Needles

[nocturne dust]

and the majority of psykers at least in my experience are staffkers

[keen solar]

I can handle armor with my sword easy

Needles just clear hordes

[nocturne dust]

I mean swapping to assail is an option but is again another pathing requirement

[keen solar]

This is true, but you can still make crits work with other blitz's

I just wish Brain Burst could crit

[nocturne dust]

smite doesn't crit

[keen solar]

I mean make crit builds work with other blitzs

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you can do a lot of things in this game

Doesn't mean it's anywhere near optimal, gunker/meleeker is kinda married to assail

[keen solar]

I've got once with a bleed knife using Smite with the stun on Heavy with the 10% dmg debuff, and it bleeds stuff really fast

It's a nice combo, but also a crit build

[nocturne dust]

Eh, that doesn't sound that great at all, lol

also charged strike doesn't stun

It doesn't do damage either

It doesn't do anything really.

Enfeeble is not that great, especially in melee where breakpoints matter a lot more

It can be decent, but idk, that combination sounds

If it works for you, great

[strong gulch]

Is rampage still power/ strength? Or was that fixed to be just damage?

[nocturne dust]

Rampage is strength, yes

Still

[strong gulch]

kk

[nocturne dust]

I wish they gave the Claw better blessings, I don't like the options it has

Claw with uncanny headtaker when

[broken carbon]

what, you don’t like 5 impact blessings on a sword?

[nocturne dust]

😭

Where are my trauma impact blessings at?

I want to create heretic space program

[keen solar]

It does a little bit of damage, but nothing damaging.

[strong gulch]

Imagine that affecting the team too. Move tech the staff.

[nocturne dust]

Well, yeh, that's my point. It doesn't do (any meaningful) damage

[keen solar]

While true, it does boost your other damage

[nocturne dust]

Psyker Rocket Jump

[keen solar]

Even if it is by only 10%

[strong gulch]

Sparky bleed knife is funny tho.

[keen solar]

You can get some crazy numbers with the backstab

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

[keen solar]

This is #psyker-class ?

What gaslight girlboss gatekeepery is this

[nocturne dust]

That's a link to a specific message

lol

[keen solar]

Ah

[nocturne dust]

Like, if enfeeble helps you with getting a 3 hit down to a 2 hit BP, great

I doubt it does on knife tho

[keen solar]

Yeah tbf it could do with a minor buff

[nocturne dust]

especially because you only get the 10% benefit on the second jab

[keen solar]

Ogryn gets 15% just for whacking stuff

[nocturne dust]

Minor? Heck, it needs a major buff.

[keen solar]

I think it would be decent at 15%

Any more and I think it goes into overkill territory

[nocturne dust]

Enfeeble or Charged Strike?

[keen solar]

Enfeeble

[nocturne dust]

I got my wires mixed and was thinking Charged Strike, lol

[keen solar]

I originally liked Enfeeble because again I was running that knife build for the Monster Specialists Maelstrom, so debuffing them and making all the Dot/Bleed I was applying do more damage was something I was going for.

[nocturne dust]

Enfeeble, yeah. Idk, smite is weird as it currently is.

[keen solar]

It really isn't, the whole "deal" with smite rn is just a divergence in playstyle

[nocturne dust]

Someone hasn't heard of EP shriek smite

which wipes everything on the field that isn't a boss or crusher while keeping you completely safe

[keen solar]

Some players like the games to be over faster via pure killing power, other don't mind stalling the game for more guaranteed survivability, i.e. smite chorus

Also yes ik about Empowered Smite and yes it is very strong

I do think smite should earn a rework

I think charging up the held blast should show you a cone arc that your max smite range can hit

Instead of it being able to spread like a virus

Maybe make having a wider aoe a talent node attachment

[nocturne dust]

It having a charge like assail might help so you can't just infinitely spam it

[keen solar]

EP should just buff that cone

Or that

Or just make it so you blow yourself up lol

But then again Scriers and VS

[nocturne dust]

Smite as an 'oh crap' thing is good, Psyker kinda needs one of those cuz that's what blitzes normally are

The issue is just you can spam it everywhere all the time

[digital hill]

I'd really like one of those lmao I'm so used to running on my stealth zealot with all his stamina and invisibility that I'm feeling exposed on my psyker ;_;

Venting shriek is becoming my oh shit button

[nocturne dust]

Shriek is kinda that, yeah

It's no yellow toughness tho 😔

[digital hill]

Also, I wish more players had their tag keybind shared with their primary attack keybind ;_; Trying to find elites etc to brain pop is a pita

[nocturne dust]

Psyker is consistent. Consistently putting out damage, consistently almost dying.

[nocturne dust]

ew

[digital hill]

Man it helps so much lol

[nocturne dust]

No

[strong gulch]

No

tagging yes

on primary no

[nocturne dust]

Primary tagging is annoying and bad

[digital hill]

Why not? It tags everything I need.

[nocturne dust]

The sound will drive any sane person mad

[digital hill]

I mean it's only tagging elites+

[nocturne dust]

Yes. And?

[strong gulch]

It's constant and never ending tag noise. Like 5 in second.

[digital hill]

Hm. I can't hear it over the music honestly.

[nocturne dust]

Ew

Do you even audio cue, bruh?

[strong gulch]

Plus people who have their marker tied to tagging and just placing that everywhere.

[digital hill]

I mean, I can hear all the audio call outs etc.

[nocturne dust]

Also, you can tag too

[digital hill]

Ah, I don't tag with the little placemarker or whatever.

[scarlet garden]

@strong gulch is deflector not worth it on force sword?

[nocturne dust]

Just spam tag button until you find a target 🤷‍♂️

[digital hill]

That's what i do 🤣

Esp snipers.

[nocturne dust]

Congratz

You are me

[nocturne dust]

It's a preference pick.

I take it.

It's not optimal.

[scarlet garden]

Ah

[strong gulch]

It is. It's a comfort pick. If you have good positioning and whatnot, it has less value. If you like it, go for it. You are sacrificing damage for comfort.

[summer prairie]

if you ever die to gunners it's optimal

[nocturne dust]

Damage is a dump stat.

[scarlet garden]

Ah

Otherwise its uncanny,slaughter?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[strong gulch]

I certainly have my confort picks. Like KD.

[nocturne dust]

KD is a must have and not a comfort pick 😤

[summer prairie]

you are never going to wish that if only you had slaughterer or whatever instead, you wouldn't have died

[digital hill]

I swap it in and out depending on how lazy i'm feeling, and I like the extra sense of protection.

[scarlet garden]

Whats KD?

[nocturne dust]

Kinetic Deflection

[summer prairie]

and melee is a small % of your total damage with most psyker builds

[strong gulch]

There is uncanny + unstable if you are doing SG and deimos is your single target killer.

[summer prairie]

though slaughterer does help with dots

[nocturne dust]

slaughterer still gives more power

and killing a few lads with deimos lights is fairly easy

[latent mauve]

Just don’t die to gunners

[nocturne dust]

Just don't die

[strong gulch]

It does, but it is not dependent on killing a thing.

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

true

[latent mauve]

They need to patch enemies hitting you while in chaos spawn grabs

[strong gulch]

Generally uncanny + slaughter is your go to combo on both illisi and deimos.

[latent mauve]

I took 400 damage in a duo because of it

[strong gulch]

Also shooting though walls.

[summer prairie]

except us

we are allowed

[strong gulch]

Give us our double standard. 😠

[nocturne dust]

I was preparing to dodge a crusher overhead today. Then I got barreled by the pub, ledged, and still overheaded by the crusher twenty feet away.

[mossy oyster]

pox walkers beating you up with a CS grab

baby mode

try eating a reaper or gunners or a flamer while command grabbed

worst shit ever

[digital hill]

My first experience on heresy involved a mutant throwing me into a daemonhost, which I'd obviously never seen, and had no idea what the hell was happening.

lol

[latent mauve]

I thought we were going to kill the dh that spawned but Cole moved past

Not like it would survive more than 5 seconds

[split stirrup]

ever heard about justsmite, it works wonders

[nocturne dust]

Smite doesn't work on DHs

[strong gulch]

In Agent's video, I saw him get grabbed by a mutant and carried to a crusher was winding up an overhead. You know what happened next.

[scarlet garden]

Ohhhh

Just noticed the special heavy on deimos is like chain weapons rev attack

But also seem to de-shield bulwarks

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/steamroller-flattened-frogger-arcade-cartoon-gif-3947370806596607199

[latent mauve]

I still need to get him in for a duo

[nocturne dust]

no wait, don't-

Deimos Specials are bad.

Don't use them.

Use h2.

[scarlet garden]

Regular heby?

[strong gulch]

Yeah the animation locks you. The special generally isn't used, but use it if you want. The heavy 2 is where the damage it. The push attack opens bulwarks too. H2 to a crusher head will knock it over. H2 one shots mutants as well.

[nocturne dust]

The second heavy on deimos literally does more than the special. More damage, more stagger.

It's quicker and doesn't lock you in place too.

[strong gulch]

If it's safe to do so, the special can quickly stack uncanny.

[scarlet garden]

Ahhhh thats dangerous

[strong gulch]

You can dodge out of the animation lock, but most of the damage is at the end.

[scarlet garden]

Ah ye

[nocturne dust]

plus you get the hand gesture at the end

[strong gulch]

[summer prairie]

h2 kind of bad vs maulers

until stacks up at least

but somehow in these scenarios we always have 5 stacks of uncanny

[scarlet garden]

Worst case theres staff

[summer prairie]

or you can just special l1 bodyshot

[upper sun]

shit did i miss bitching about chaos spawn grabs?

[radiant frigate]

yeah me too

cspawn grab is like mutie in that it is either inconsequential or instant death and no inbetween

[upper sun]

yeah gunners can still hit you if they locked on before the grab

they need to add in some damage immunity to sources other than the grabber during the grab

[strong gulch]

I used to be able to dodge cpawn, then some time later I could never dodge them again.

[upper sun]

actually fuck it chaos spawn grabs should also dispel tox gas

[strong gulch]

It waves us around. So definitely.

[upper sun]

i think im getting better at it

i heard dodging it is the opposite of a mutie like you're supposed to dodge into the hand

[strong gulch]

IDK what happening. I could dodge them forever, then one day I couldn't.

[summer prairie]

There should be a stimm that makes you immune to the gas for like 3-5 minutes, like the V2 potion

[upper sun]

yeah but if they add more stims youll never find the one you want

i have a hard time finding blues on psyker or reds on zealot

[plucky flax]

So I was behind some boxes and thought the mutie was aiming someone else anyway, so my special attack would had killed it. But it managed to get me instead, brought me right to a crusher doing an overhead on SOMEONE else and of course it hit me.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxMbNCHGKRi5St1MgjD0JdTvmX5Hpwqa5v?si=WV08rpNKawGspgjH

[upper sun]

😭 fix mutie grabs NOW

not tomorrow TODAY

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/dale-walking-dead-i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-gif-3136629546574604277

[plucky flax]

The way it was running I was 100% sure it was going for the zealot.

But yeah his arm was out and I was on the way I guess.

[upper sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MDQBVAIBCA

[strong gulch]

That's it. That was the tragic event that bore witness too. I actually covered my mouth while gasping. lmao

[plucky flax]

I was baffled. A chain of unfortunate events.

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/asoue-a-series-of-unfortunate-events-lemony-snicket-patrick-warburton-let-me-warn-you-gif-2873616876883013066

[plucky flax]

I was playing pretty casually and relaxed though and still did 700k+ in 24 mins. Burga is simply too much.

[strong gulch]

oh NOOOO

[summer prairie]

Zealot terminated

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/mission-accomplished-gif-9140868

[plucky flax]

Huh there was an ep smiter with boneless shriek in my last game.

[upper sun]

HUH

[plucky flax]

No actually he used the direct damage shriek.

Bro is ultrabased.

[clear heath]

wow that's worse

[upper sun]

this is what creeping flames looks like to the outside

[plucky flax]

No PC ep smiter

[upper sun]

i was grilling that hoard for 40 seconds

the psyker just killed it

[summer prairie]

two points just for mind in motion

[plucky flax]

Quelling on the move with smite.

It's smart.

[clear heath]

so powerful

[radiant frigate]

i played one game of helbore and now my hand hurts

send help

[clear bridge]

It's always very upsetting as the Ogryn

I swing my shovel, expecting to kill ten dudes

But they're already dead 😦

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/already-dead-gif-20369700

[upper sun]

I have ragdolls disabled it really shows how much creeping flames does

Press F at a hoard it all fucking dies

[strong gulch]

Oof with the frame drops.

Full on slide show.

Also, fabled 6 wound ogryn in my game.

[digital hill]

I'm getting more audio glitches and disconnects, wee.

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/wee-weee-wii-wiii-uii-gif-21309530

[split stirrup]

in general

it s just too fun

[upper sun]

the more non marty wounds your team has the harder the game

[digital hill]

Wow, pugs are a struggle right now. This group just..left a horde behind and ran into another

Reject sandwich ;_;

[plucky flax]

What difficulty?

[upper sun]

also what build

[quartz barn]

Simply play a damn mission from the board with all grims

Poor pubs just get to spectate the whole run

[upper sun]

meanie

personally i eat grims to cure my teams wounds

[digital hill]

Uh, not sure what to call it or fit the whole thing onto a single screen shot. Heresy difficulty. Think everyone in that particular match had their own ideas on what to do.

[upper sun]

yeah that happens often in heresy since malice to heresy is the biggest spike in difficulty

[digital hill]

My favorite is when someone just dives into the daemonhost

[quartz barn]

heresy is also the turning point between super casual play and content where you have to use your brain

altough having even one good player in those missions makes a huge difference

also i like it when randoms trigger a dh, gives me more room

and free monster kill if they can dodge

[shrewd comet]

I honestly don't mind daemonhost pulls. It's a nice DPS check, and it feels amazing when you can kill it before it noms the player

I smacked a daemonhost for 20k with one hit the other day 😆

[digital hill]

Yeah I love the fight if everyone is on board lol

[weary crane]

I love the fact the purga primary can stagger maulers

[plucky flax]

More useful on shotgunners too.

[fringe tangle]

Psyker Ultimate idea

The Psy-Bomba (yes that is a play on words to the tsar bomba)

So basically this ult is similar to the Ogryn nuke grenade, however it functions similar to a spirit bomb where it has charging time.

By default the attacks stats are

6 meter blast radius
800 Damage
60 second cooldown

However it has a charge up mechanic and the way this works is that by default it has a minimum charge of 2 seconds (above stats), however if you keep holding F you will be able to fully charge it, 4 seconds of charging will reach a full charge which doubles the above stats, including cooldown.

There is also a damage modifier built in, Ogryns will take 2x more damage from this attack and Monsters will take 4x more damage, making it good against those types of enemies.

The attack itself is thrown from above your head in an arc as a big glowing orb of warp energy.

I have some ideas for ability modifier nodes as well.

Gigablast: Minimum and Maximum blast radius is increased to 8 and 16 respectively.
Quick Charge Up: Decrease the Minimum and Maximum charge up times to 1.5 and 3 respectively.
Soul Storm: The ground around the blast has lingering soulfire on it that constantly burns enemies that stand on it, this lasts for 10 seconds.

[proper osprey]

This would be cool if it replaced the shield

[fringe tangle]

It would be for an entirely new psyker tree line, not to replace existing stuff.

[digital hill]

Should I be going for 200 hp on a psyker? Someone mentioned that being the common threshhold for zealots. If so, how much toughness should I be aiming for too?

[vestal fulcrum]

200+ HP is handy for surviving bullshit situations, like having Poxbursters blown in your face more than once per down

[proper osprey]

I’d go for 2 17 tough with 3 stamina

[vestal fulcrum]

There's many curio combos that work - give, IDK, 1x HP and 2x Toughness a try, try one of each; try Stamina with 2x Toughness or 2x HP

[proper osprey]

With psykers toughness regen it would make more sense for toughness

[vestal fulcrum]

I'm currently playing 1x HP and 2x Toughness with Kinetic Deflection, and 1 of each if I don't have KD (1 of each, i.e. Stamina/HP/Toughness). Wound curios are crutch-y, but don't feel too bad about using them if you're not yet confident in your ability to stay alive

[quartz barn]

im running all 3, stam mostly because base 2 stam on ds

[formal harness]

This depends on how fast your access to instant toughness burst gain are. My criteria to go for 200 HP is:
1- I have a build that is relatively fast at accessing toughness generation right after losing it
2- I am running psyker shield
3- I have a melee focused psyker

Otherwise I go with toughness stacking, as you'll need the extra padding for your toughness

There's an argument for melee psyker and toughness as well, but in my gameplay experience my deaths usually come from poxbursters that my teammates shot near me lol

[digital hill]

Good feedback, thanks a lot. Hah, this is why I'll never give up my blaze sword. Being able to push it away from me is just too convenient lol

[plucky flax]

I don't use melee but still run 251 hp 110 toughness.

It's all subjective man

[digital hill]

Good thing I have all these curios.

[formal harness]

I also advocate for chunky psyker. I am running 228 HP 106 Toughness (I have xp on my curios lol)

But what I said above should be a healthy way of approaching the subjectivity, rest is your own opinion

[digital hill]

I'm starting to think chunky might be the way to go. I enjoy going melee a lot, but it's situational. I'm just trying to set things on fire as much as possible.

[austere warren]

Sprint efficiency, +ordo

:^)

Loot goblin psyker.

[zinc phoenix]

2x tough 1x hp feels pretty nice

I also stack 3x +5% toughness

[upper sun]

i do stam hp toughness with 3x combat ability toughness and hp

[zinc phoenix]

Resist wise I do sniper, tox flamer and gunner

Running triple gunner resist feels very good with an ER build tho, you can just ignore them

[primal aurora]

Huh, finally did all penances on Psyker.

[zinc phoenix]

Prepare to suffer to get the ogryn ones

The boredom is immense

all of them require doing the same thing again and again and again until any possible enjoyment of the build has been extinguished and you are left with nothing but a deep desire to never again play as the fat dumb things

[upper sun]

i gave up on oggie

kill 999 trillion with heavy hitter
no

[radiant frigate]

you are not hitting heavily enough clad

[upper sun]

i go fnp

i can comfortably hit all breakpoints on pick and shield

[radiant frigate]

dead keystone now imo

[upper sun]

23 hp off one shotting crushers tho

[upper sun]

yeah but dodging is so painful on ogryn

[radiant frigate]

previously it just stayed up during shooter encounters

[upper sun]

i keep taking chip damage without it

[radiant frigate]

now fnp is going to be gone without you noticing

[buoyant maple]

Pretty sure Karsolas can’t 2 heavy kill crusher without heavy hitter

[upper sun]

oggie is sad
base attack speed bad because game assumes you have heavy hitter
base toughness low because game assumes you have fnp
base crit bad because game assumes you have lucky bullet

[upper sun]

sorry i dont player kerosene pick

only branx

i just need the 5% melee damage node to one tap crushers with it

[buoyant maple]

I’d prob like Branx more if it didn’t penalize sprint speed by 0.2

[upper sun]

also the swap speed with blitz is disgusting

[radiant frigate]

low toughness? you can easily get 200+

[echo root]

I hate playing that class

[upper sun]

idk i feel like i take more damage on ogryn than zealot

as if im missing 200% toughness dr

[buoyant maple]

What not having second wind does to a mf:

[radiant frigate]

all you can eat overhead buffet

mmm tasty

[zinc phoenix]

That’s because you are happy to help

[upper sun]

its not even second wind

[zinc phoenix]

Also you can’t dodge and you move slower

[upper sun]

its the chip damage that kills me

ye the movement is awful

[zinc phoenix]

I take two sets of resist on my curios as ogryn

One all gunner, one flame and snipers

[upper sun]

i have left games after failing to mantle with ogryn

yeah

i have a mix of resist toughness and hp on ogryn

[radiant frigate]

ogryn unplayable

[upper sun]

i dont remember what

maybe 2x sniper 2x gunner?

[buoyant maple]

3x toughness, 3x small toughness, 3x gunner resist, 3x sprint efficiency

Can’t afford 3x docket, unfortunately

[upper sun]

i have 1hp 2 toughness

cant believe it was ogryn players that convinced the devs to nerf fnp

[buoyant maple]

It’d so cool if ogryn had more than 2 good melee weapons

And >1 good gun

[upper sun]

ikr

i pretty much only play shield branx and kickback

[buoyant maple]

Karsolas
Shield
Kickback

[upper sun]

club and maul make me sick

noooooo branx is so based pls try

[ripe bluff]

is penetrating flame any good on purgatus?

[upper sun]

blaze away better

[buoyant maple]

They should remove the damage distribution cap mechanic for melee weapons

It’s just so ass

[ripe bluff]

is blaze away+penetrating flame better than BA+warp nexus?

[buoyant maple]

It’s maybe half as good as Karsolas

[scarlet garden]

Man i suck at surviving on psyker but voidblast is too fun

[fringe garden]

I really can't feel Penetrating Flame when I use it. Warp Nexus and Flurry are both better choices imo

I prefer Flurry almost always because I tend to keep my staff out 90% of the match and it just feels easier to use a staff in hectic combat with the faster charge.

[ripe bluff]

yea even testing it in psykanium it doesn't really justify taking it over the others

[zinc phoenix]

It isn’t tho

[ripe bluff]

on another note when playing purgatus and duelling sword, which is better for boss dps?

[zinc phoenix]

It’s really good at the one thing ogryn doesnt care about

[ripe bluff]

the duelling or keep stacking flame?

[upper sun]

@zinc phoenix@buoyant maple all these branx non believers

[buoyant maple]

I said it’s maybe half as good as Karsolas

[upper sun]

its really easy to loop good damage and tons of stamina

[buoyant maple]

It’s a compliment

[upper sun]

fine

ill try karsales if you try branx

[buoyant maple]

I’d only consider branx for Gunlugger

[upper sun]

why

[flint spear]

You ignore boss you clear horde

[upper sun]

actually nvm

[flint spear]

[upper sun]

i can see it

[buoyant maple]

But if I wanted to play Gunlugger, Boltgun veteran just does that job better

[upper sun]

good base damage doesnt need the amps

[buoyant maple]

Decent horde + carapace damage

That’s pretty much everything a Gunlugger needs for melee

[flint spear]

Ah yes the Rashad

[proper osprey]

Both are good I run unyielding on my purg that has nexus and blaze away and it does work but the ds is also good too I run mine with precog and repoist

[nocturne dust]

You do both

You apply stacks, then hit them with an uncanny dueling sword

[proper osprey]

Then again I run knife on my psyker now lol

[nocturne dust]

Nexus is better, but PF does help more with boss damage.

[nocturne dust]

Purg is actually one of the better ways Psyker can deal boss damage 😭

and best part is they can do it while dealing with ads

[echo root]

Considering crits apply 2x soulblaze instead of 1 and the damage of the staff scales with soulblaze stacks I'd take Warp Nexus

Also getting to 15 stacks then venting for 21 stacks

• so many crit related nodes in the psyker tree

[nocturne dust]

Direct damage doesn't scale

[echo root]

Am I challenged

I swear the damage ramps up

Maybe it's the blaze away brainrot

[nocturne dust]

Soulblaze damage ramps which is separate

[upper sun]

im pretty sure soulblaze scales with power/damage

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Both soulblaze and direct damage scale with power/strength

[echo root]

So it is the blaze away brainrot then

[flint spear]

They will eventually die but not at a reasonable dps🫠

Gotta need those zealots w/ poking stick

[nocturne dust]

It's a reasonable DPS.

Only dedicated boss killers can really beat it by any significant margin.

[haughty star]

@weak copper GG MAN

[weak copper]

Wat. Wrong Dev, sorry bud.

[haughty star]

Ope

[sour nest]

Still gg!

[haughty star]

Still GG!

[orchid ibex]

gg dev!

[nocturne dust]

Still GG

[sour nest]

Everyone give Dev a gg

[echo root]

GG Dev

[weak copper]

Thank

GG

[haughty star]

this dev best dev

[orchid ibex]

trying to get auric survivor with randoms is pure pain

[scarlet garden]

Gamers

If i choose Deflector on Force sword, would uncanny or slaughterer be the best nr2?

[nocturne dust]

Play martyr zealot tank build

Survive

[orchid ibex]

but then i would have to play zealot

[nocturne dust]

Depends on your purpose and sword

Deimos generally goes uncanny, illisi slaughterer

[nocturne dust]

true

[scarlet garden]

I prefer deimos for easier maniacs

[nocturne dust]

Then take uncanny for single targets like crushers or slaughterer for hordes

[orchid ibex]

i love deimos but always feel a little sluggish with hordes

it's pretty much just H1-L2 right?

[nocturne dust]

Uh I just light spam for hordes with Deimos

[orchid ibex]

lol maybe that's the problem, i'm overthinking it

[nocturne dust]

The initial light is a poke but it changes after that

[orchid ibex]

heavy-light gives diagonal slashes so i just assumed that was the way to go but i'll try your much easier way

[echo root]

I just spam light attacks and then push when overwhelmed during horde with deimos

[orchid ibex]

yeah i was overthinking it, thanks

[echo root]

I have precog and uncanny on mine

[nocturne dust]

The only thing stopping deimos from being a better illisi is its attack angles

[echo root]

Precog go brrrr

[nocturne dust]

Ew

Precog enjoyers 🤮

[orchid ibex]

i would use it on some setups if the buff lasted longer

i feel like i get more value from riposte in those situations though

[echo root]

Riposte + precog

[nocturne dust]

I agree, precog would be good if precog wasn't the way that it was

[orchid ibex]

now you're just getting greedy

[nocturne dust]

Look at this canny loser

[orchid ibex]

do you put slaughterer on your deimos to boost its horde at all?

[nocturne dust]

No, I use uncanny deflector

[orchid ibex]

that's what i had, nice

wasn't sure if slaughterer was something i was missing though

[nocturne dust]

I mean it'll definitely be better with slaughterer for damage

[orchid ibex]

deflector being something so unique to force swords and so defensively strong i like to run it anyways

[nocturne dust]

It's not that strong

It should really just be built in to the sword

[orchid ibex]

stronger than no deflector

[nocturne dust]

true

[orchid ibex]

but that would be nice if it was just part of the weapon

i've had the hefty block cost reduction get me out of a jam plenty though, i do like having it

if you get caught in a bad position and just can't move or something

what perks do you like on deimos? i've been running maniac and carapace so far

[nocturne dust]

I haven't really experimented with melee perks

I just use flak and maniac currently

[orchid ibex]

nothing wrong with those

[haughty star]

It used to be

[late sapphire]

The poke actually doesn't cleave well

[orchid ibex]

those are slashes

[late sapphire]

guh

wrong combo

You can tell i'm a ds lover

[ivory forge]

what build is better with voidstrike? Surge + Transfer peril or Warp nexus + Warp flurry?

[late sapphire]

neither

surge nexus

[ivory forge]

ok thx, im gonna try this one

[late sapphire]

In short, surge doubles the value of crits, and therefore doubles the value of nexus

[ripe obsidian]

I just had a weird bug. A sniper shot me right as an Ogryn was reviving me, and then I was up with like 10 HP and could not move at all

So I had to stand there and watch as the sniper shot me again

[proud frost]

woo

[fringe garden]

On voidstrike I like Flurry more than Nexus. At least half the time the second surge hit is purely overkill. And the overall damage and cleave potential of each shot is so dramatically effected by charge time that I think Flurry is far more useful in the midst of combat

[nocturne dust]

You should probably use flurry and nexus rather than flurry and surge if you're not using scrier's

[fringe garden]

25% crit chance is more than enough to make surge proc very often

Especially since you end up firing off more overall shots with flurry decreasing the charge time

So opportunities for crits increases as well

[nocturne dust]

Yes but you get a whole lot less value out of surge the less crit you have

[ripe obsidian]

My beloved says more bowling balls is better.

[fringe garden]

At best Nexus would add 15% more crit chance over surge in that setup

That is not better

[ripe obsidian]

You know you're contradicting yourself.

You said that the second ball from Surge is overkill, but now Surge is better than Nexus.

[nocturne dust]

How do you figure that?

[fringe garden]

He said Nexus flurry is better than flurry surge

Surge gives 5% crit

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[ripe obsidian]

Surge with low crit chance doesn't feel great since the True Aim nerf.

[fringe garden]

So Nexus would only give 15% more crit than surge at high peril. That is not particularly dramatic. I'd rather have flurry and surge with a 25% crit chance than Nexus and Flurry with a 40% chance

[ripe obsidian]

I tried Flurry/Surge for a while and ended up going back to Nexus/Surge

[fringe garden]

25% is hardly a low crit chance

[nocturne dust]

Surge is likely to get wasted though

[buoyant maple]

Mathematically, flurry + surge has more damage per minute than nexus + surge

Practically, nexus + surge plays better because flurry surge’s crit is super RNG unless u play scrier’s

[ripe obsidian]

25% is a pretty low crit chance.

[nocturne dust]

Yes, and the fact surge can be wasted at a lot of points

[late sapphire]

You have to start flicking the surge to hit 2 lines of enemies

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/wanted-bullet-curved-bullet-bending-bullet-gif-15833965

[mossy oyster]

brain bursting a sniper cross map that just crossed a corner

I always win hide and seek

[nocturne dust]

Petition to add horror-movie-style Psyker boss that hunts you for an entire map and you have to try to outrun

[young summit]

Why are there no psyker enemies tbh

[ripe obsidian]

https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Glyphid_Bulk_Detonator#Unknown_Horror_Variant

[nocturne dust]

Hm, actually, I do hate that variant

Maybe make the psyker boss killable for the memes

but like really hard to kill

[ripe obsidian]

https://vermintide2.fandom.com/wiki/Nurgloth_the_Eternal

https://vermintide2.fandom.com/wiki/Burblespue_Halescourge

[upper sun]

😭 we need more bosses

[ripe obsidian]

I'd be fine without Bulletsponge Halescourge

[late sapphire]

Must... not... 1v1...

[upper sun]

wheres my carapace pogryn

[late sapphire]

Burblespue sucks, Nurgloth is cool

[nocturne dust]

I love Burblespue

he's funny

[late sapphire]

You can have him all to yourself

[ripe obsidian]

Nurgloth's phase 3 is obnoxious

[late sapphire]

But in all of the actually important moments it isn't overkill

Why care about staff performance during low intensity kill 3 chaff moments

[fringe garden]

I just think a 25% crit chance, surge, and faster charge times is overall better in any given situation than the alternatives.

Charge time directly affects damage and cleave, and lowering the downtime you spend charging in high intensity situations is a massive benefit. And I think 25% crit with surge is better than 40% crit without surge .

So yeah, I genuinely prefer Flurry/Surge

Not to mention the guaranteed crit every few weakspot hits further devalues Nexus over surge in this setup.

[nocturne dust]

Yes but even with flurry, true aim's value is pretty low on a weapon that takes so long to charge

[fringe garden]

I think my point is fairly well made. Any disagreement is pretty much going to come down to preference rather than a logical argument. Whichever setup is better isn't better by much.

[analog agate]

This conversation happened a year ago and someone tried doing the math. Nexu/surge is better for burst dps but flurry/surge can equal the dps over the course of the match. This was before the extra crit chance on surge

[tight saddle]

knife wizard is fun I'm having fun with this EP CDR assail electro staff combat knife build, the others were a fire wizard, taxe zealot, and recon lasgun vet. I throw so many assails lmfao. one of the guys was like "jfc it's just raining knives every room"

unfortunately I've only used it in regular damnation quickplay so far

[velvet gate]

Man why is smite so popular? I thought it was the least popular

I've'nt seen a brain rapture or assail once

[patent mango]

its in the middle so you get access to psykinetics aura and malefic momentum

[jovial juniper]

It's strong as well

[velvet gate]

I thought it's only good for support? Did I use it wrong?

[nocturne dust]

Brain burst straight up sucks

[patent mango]

it can do dmg with ep

[jovial juniper]

Yeah

[nocturne dust]

Smite offers almost unparalleled CC, and can do damage when combined with EP and shriek

[velvet gate]

What I thought assail was best for cc

[nocturne dust]

Assail is alright but kinda meh on damnation.

[velvet gate]

Man I'm so lost

[nocturne dust]

Lol, not even close

[patent mango]

assail does decent clear against gunners and stuff (terrible at carapace and bosses tho)

[nocturne dust]

Assail stuns ragers, yeah, but smite does everything but bosses, and assail doesn't CC bosses

[velvet gate]

Hm

[nocturne dust]

also, to note, CC (crowd control) is different from horde clear

Smite can do horde clear with EP and shriek, but without those it can't.

[velvet gate]

Oh yeah wdym by ep

[nocturne dust]

empowered psionics

[velvet gate]

Okay

[exotic phoenix]

I havn't seen much of smite builds, I know they can stagger everything but is the damage good or is it mainly for support?

[nocturne dust]

You can make it do good damage, but it's supremely boring

[exotic phoenix]

Im much more of an assail guy due to the satisfaction of seeing hordes drop

[exotic phoenix]

Would it be pairing with electro staff?

[nocturne dust]

Doesn't matter the staff, you just use smite

[exotic phoenix]

LOL fair

[nocturne dust]

that's what makes it pretty boring

You just hold 2 buttons the entire match

[exotic phoenix]

See I want to try other builds but I feel assail has a great balance between spam m1 and actual skill

BB is too single target heavy for me

[nocturne dust]

Eh. Most builds don't focus on blitzes.

For example, BB is in a number of builds only because of Kinetic Flayer, and not because BB itself is useful.

[radiant frigate]

assail is great but if i have a staff i barely find myself using it

[exotic phoenix]

I see

[orchid ibex]

none of the blitz really compete with a good staff or gun setup, they're kind of complementary (except for the ep surge thing, but that is very boring as void said)

[nocturne dust]

Well, Assail is kinda integral to gunker/meleeker... unfortunately.

[radiant frigate]

assail competes by virtue of not being a complete waste of ammo

[orchid ibex]

assail fills a niche to a gunker build but that doesn't necessarily make it your main thing

[nocturne dust]

If it's not your main thing, what is?

You switch to assail no matter if you use melee or gun

[orchid ibex]

you alternate between assail and your melee/gun. my point is more than it's not your main dps like an ep smite build is

[nocturne dust]

Eh, it's a significant portion of your dps. Like, a very significant portion.

[exotic phoenix]

See I rock Rec Las (Accatran) + BFS (Illisi)

[nocturne dust]

Unless you're a dirty ammo hog.

[orchid ibex]

it is but that wasn't exactly my point, just that you tend to not start with a blitz as your beginning point of a build

except some rare cases

[nocturne dust]

But that's the thing

[orchid ibex]

i agree that assail is pretty much a must-pick for your standard gunker of course

[nocturne dust]

Meleeker is Gunker is Assailker

[velvet gate]

What's the best force staff. People tell me voidstrike is best but inferno looks good too

[nocturne dust]

They're all practically the same build, and Assail is the most important part, you can swap the gun for a staff.

[buoyant maple]

Damage is good vs everything that’s not carapace/unyielding

Half ur damage is from Soulblaze anyway

[exotic phoenix]

Figured as much

[velvet gate]

How does soulblaze work exactly? Is it like tick damage and what does its damage scale with??

[orchid ibex]

i guess, but that makes two builds that are blitz focused then. my point is maybe more staff-focused then, half the time with a staff build i'm just taking KF BB or assail to help with spread out enemies (voidstrike)

[buoyant maple]

It’s the blue fire DOT effect

[velvet gate]

Yeah I know that part

[buoyant maple]

It has its own damage scaling (non-linear)

[nocturne dust]

It's warp damage and scales with stacks

[buoyant maple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1191060480639373462/image.png?ex=6727a983&is=67265803&hm=ce226a408618f96cb024d23c6e5f11176084a319a85e21ee46b5f2c1eafa7489&

Soulblze’s base damage scaling based on #stacks

[velvet gate]

Man y'all got graphs and stuff? Wow

[buoyant maple]

Armor damage modifiers not applied

Nah, not me

It’s pinned in psyker chat

[nocturne dust]

You should see the vet guide

[buoyant maple]

I’m just different

[orchid ibex]

the veteran manifesto

[jovial juniper]

It's hilarious how you can build smite to kill bulwarks

And about 70% of a Crusher's health

Unless you proc Battle Meditation often

Then you kill the crusher

The alternative is a red stimm

[analog agate]

lol wtf is this glitch???? Anytime you do a charged shot on inferno staff in game it plays the flamer sound?

[idle marsh]

Whats a good lvl 20 build for psyker

[nocturne dust]

I recommend not caring about builds too much until you're max level

The default for leveling is just investing in assail, which is strong at lower difficulties

[idle marsh]

thanks

[hazy moss]

hey guys

whats the best force sword and what r the best blessings to put on it?

[nocturne dust]

Deimos or Illisi

Slaughterer + Uncanny on both

Deimos for single targets, Illisi for horde clear.

[idle marsh]

Voidstrike is fun

It's like a railgun

[exotic phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d6523f8-3798-4617-a473-1461fa1e83c0/my-main-psyker

This is what I rock, any tweaks?

[upper sun]

thats not bad you might wanna try scriers gaze

also psychic leeching is not all that good get warp rider instead

[vapid lichen]

gunker without DD is... interesting

[upper sun]

yeah also that

[vapid lichen]

there's also no warp rider or one with the warp

not much use for warp rider with only assail though

[upper sun]

aaaa fuck which recon is the old VId?

[prime elk]

it's XII now

[vapid lichen]

also neither of true aim or surety of arms with a gun

basically weapon swap vet but on psyker lol

[upper sun]

maaaybe something like this? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d653d1d-fe73-43e4-a167-95c515514b6e/gunker-8

@mossy oyster gunker man post build before i start giving advice

[mossy oyster]

im playing cod show me the question

im not scrolling up

[upper sun]

someone was asking if their gunker build is good

when you're done can you post yours?

[vapid lichen]

the original build looks pretty defensive

[upper sun]

yeah

[vapid lichen]

crystalline will and bubble

[mossy oyster]

yea i'll post mine after this zombies match

[upper sun]

deflector too

[vapid lichen]

yea actual good version would be way squishier

[upper sun]

if he wants defensive then id just skip out on leeching for warp rider second assail upgrade for pc maybe

[strong gulch]

With assail, no uncanny on illisi, and recon, what's killing crushers?

[prime elk]

thoughts and prayers 🙏

[radiant frigate]

gravity

[exotic phoenix]

What Im trying to figure out. I Was thinking switching to Deimos to be more of a heavy hitter but the horde clear is so nice on illisi

[radiant frigate]

deimos horde clear is serviceable these days

[exotic phoenix]

What im finding out, just need to get good

I was running DD but I figured EP would be a better option for dealing more damage in the long run

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Switching to deimos or dueling sword (DS) or even knife is an immediate change. You can toss a couple assails out between melee hits to help with horde clear. Warp Splitting helps a lot.

DD helps your assail, gun, and melee. EP only helps assail and isn't so much better in that regard. It is better, but not justifiably so.

[radiant frigate]

fucked up how i thought the melee buffs would make illisi better but really it just made everything else better

[exotic phoenix]

alright, swapping back to EP

[clear heath]

crack of bone feels really satisfying with illisi

[strong gulch]

It do.

[radiant frigate]

only useful with sg

[strong gulch]

ye

[clear heath]

yeah that's what i run it on

[strong gulch]

Makes blazing spirit illisi less bad. Still bad tho.

@exotic phoenix Until Paradise comes back to post a build. This is a general gunker build.

It isn't as defensive as what you're used to and if you are focusing on a specific thing, it may need tweaking.

[exotic phoenix]

My "offensive" build is SG, I feel like I bring more to the team if I rock Bubble

[radiant frigate]

bubble bad outside of specifically sniper gauntlet

[strong gulch]

or tain

[exotic phoenix]

Too many times the director was like "and 2 gunner hordes for these lads"

[strong gulch]

though I do like bubble on the one carnival map

[strong gulch]

On harder difficulties, gunngers and other shooters can pop your bubble kinda quickly.

[exotic phoenix]

Thats totally fair but the brief time it is up gives the team enough time to clear them out with saftey and ease

[strong gulch]

When you have warp charges and psyk aura, you can replace them much faster.

And if you position the bubble in a rough spot on the team stays there and it pops, you're SOL.

Bubble is def a comfort pick.

[exotic phoenix]

If I have 2 psykers I run SG, gonan use somew of that build

[strong gulch]

However, with crit strings, EE, and SG's increased crit chance and ranged suppression immunity you can take out the shooters.

But ultimately, as long as you have an answer for every type of enemy then you're fine.

This discords always favors damage.

I'm no different, but I also have my comfort picks.

[zinc phoenix]

Reject surety of arms it is poo. Embrace quietude

Not taking TDR on peril is le silly

5% range damage is not worth losing 15-38% TDR

[mossy oyster]

for whoever needed a gunker build heres mine

[strong gulch]

Quietude is def good. I flipflpos between it and soulstealer. Surety of arms isn't choses. Revolver and shotgun aren't really accounted for here since most gunker builds focus on the Varks 5 or Recons (laspistol too). You could drop Warp Unbound (sad) or the assail mod to get the TDR or movement speed node.

[zinc phoenix]

You just need to move the 5% range damage node to the 5% TDR node and trade surety for the big TDR node

[strong gulch]

@exotic phoenix Paradise's build #psyker-class message

[exotic phoenix]

Ye sorry, in a mission rn and will be lookin afgter

[zinc phoenix]

You lose 5% range damage which is whatever and gain 15-38% TDR which is big

[mossy oyster]

I was thinking of swapping ranged damage for TDR but then realized im not a coward

[zinc phoenix]

And the dubious benefit of surety which even with shotty is just not good

[mossy oyster]

jk defense on soyker is good

I just wanna dmg max

need all the small TDR you can get

[zinc phoenix]

But you can also get the big TDR which will boost you when you SG

Ree

[strong gulch]

There is no surety.

But I get what you're saying.

[zinc phoenix]

Oh right that’s the ranged crit quell

[strong gulch]

Damage maxing vs having some survivability to keeping going.

[zinc phoenix]

That’s no good if you aren’t running quietude

Like if I were gonna gunker

[mossy oyster]

these probably feel quite nice

all together

if you want that "tanky" gunker

[strong gulch]

True. Quell on x + quietude is fecking good; however it also depends on when you get tagged more.

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d654c20-fb89-4c42-bd86-87de601aa532/gunker-gone-wild

I don’t rate the soulfire on elite kill without stuff to boost soulfire personally but you could easily trade crack for it

[silent wigeon]

ironically scriers gaze is one of the last things penence wise I'm working on for psyker

[zinc phoenix]

This way you’re quelling when you’re shooting or meleeing meaning you always generate toughness

You don’t hit the same peak damage but you also don’t get rekt as easy

Idk my preference is for survival over absolute max damage

[exotic phoenix]

okay so, my problem with SG is it feels like once i max it out, i dont always have that grace period of not overloading

It could be due to me activating it without it building up to 1 stacks but I cant even see the buff timer 80% of the time

[zinc phoenix]

If you are gunkering you don’t have to worry, just don’t assail when you’re at max

[exotic phoenix]

I mean I max out easy weith assail and pretty much assume I am going to go over the overload limit, thats why I use SG

[strong gulch]

Fecking valid tho.

[strong gulch]

There's is a small window between when SG ends and WU begins. Casting at 100% peril during this small window will explode you. This is a bug.

[exotic phoenix]

Thats 100% what im feeling

[zinc phoenix]

Drives me absolutely mad when staff SGing

[strong gulch]

SAME

[nocturne dust]

It's not a bug, it's a feature for skillful play

Just like when snipers have a broken laser or silent crushers, you just have to git gud

[radiant frigate]

this is why i decide not to go ham during SG

[dusk void]

I have now surpassed 1,100 hours into this game with this much in game currency. I need to take a step outside and see the sun 😂😂

[strong gulch]

I swear diamantine is capped at 50 to 60k. Once you get that much, it can't go higher OR lower. lmao

[lethal lagoon]

Outside?

Just play another game.

That's what happens when you touch grass ^

You puke it out

[dusk void]

Also, what blessings and perks are good for the Voidstrike Staff? I'm trying to get one more penance for my psyker (Defy Fate Penance) and would like your input on it

[dusk void]

Honestly, playing this game is way better than doing engineering homework

[strong gulch]

As a college dropout, I agree.

[dusk void]

Thank god I graduated from engineering school 😊

[dusk void]

I don't blame you. I had sleepless nights to get my 40 page projects done while worrying about a test the same day

[strong gulch]

Perks on VS depend on the type of build but are less MUST BE THIS.

@nocturne dust Tell us vodstike things.

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike perks are weird. Flak is an obvious choice along with crit chance, and those are the general go-to, but unyielding and maniac are also useful. I don't recommend Carapace a ton since it's really only crushers that it will affect, and both flak and maniac let you reach a number of breakpoints you otherwise wouldn't (and less charge time for already one-shots). Crit chance is mainly useful for helping ensure surge activates as often as possible, and crits are pretty important to DPS on voidstrike, but at the same time it's also relying on RNG and only a 5% bonus.

My order of preference is Crit chance = Flak = Maniac > Unyielding > Carapace

[dusk void]

What about blessings for the Voidstrike? I am currently running Warp Flurry + Warp Nexus

[nocturne dust]

My general recommendation is Nexus + Surge, especially if you go Scrier's Gaze. Flurry + Nexus isn't a terrible choice, especially if you dislike RNG, but Voidstrike is the gambler's staff

[dusk void]

I run it with Venting Shriek w/ Creeping Flames. I guess I can change it to Nexus + Surge, but that'll be another crit build for me. I guess more crits is more impactful to the team

[nocturne dust]

Yes, staffker generally loves crits, even if they don't normally go right side (although Voidstrike is the only staff that can go right side and still be fine)

My personal taste is against creeping flames because Voidstrike tends to just kill everything in front of you anyway, and doesn't do it with DoTs.

[fast coral]

anyone know what sword skin this is

[nocturne dust]

This is my personal Voidstrike build. The nice thing about Voidstrike is it's the staff that can be the most varied build-wise and still perform fine.

[dusk void]

Well, kill everything in a straight line. I use creeping flames to kill trash mobs. And blitz wise, assail or BR?

[nocturne dust]

Assail

BR does not cover any of Voidstrike's flaws, Assail can cover scattered shooters when they become problematic

and also ragers in a pinch

[strong gulch]

Ye. I do like how varied VS is with builds.

[nocturne dust]

It's... interesting that 3/4 staves don't really benefit from weakspots/finesse when Psyker's whole right side is dedicated to finesse

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Truly. Staves can still benefit from DD but dang it's silly.

[nocturne dust]

Me hitting the enemy in the head with a jet of fire

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-the-thing-fire-burning-flamethrower-gif-21416314

[radiant frigate]

noot noot (menacingly)

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/noot-noot-apocalypse-gif-25788876

[radiant frigate]

telepurte is a treasure

[quartz barn]

not sure what happened but uh?

hadron is confused too

[fiery wigeon]

fascinating

[cosmic sigil]

it was sold a few months ago

[fast coral]

guess ill see it in about 3 years

[gusty saffron]

void blast or void strike

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[orchid ibex]

My two favorite staves

Now only if I did as well with them as I do ek

[velvet gate]

How good is charged up

[nocturne dust]

Wdym?

[velvet gate]

For ep

3 stacks of ep

Also, which form of blaze force sword is best for single targets? Did you say Deimos?

[nocturne dust]

Uh, EP is only meta with smite.

Deimos is the single target force sword, yes. You use the second heavy on weakspots to deal damage and knockdown anything except bosses

Don't use the special

It's bad

[velvet gate]

Really? I find it good

[nocturne dust]

The issue is it deals damage slower than the h2 and freezes you and makes you vulnerable

[velvet gate]

It stuns and does good damage

Oh

[nocturne dust]

l1 -> h2 -> block cancel is the single target combo iirc

[velvet gate]

But in that case, wouldn't obscurus be best? It seems to have the best heavy attack

[nocturne dust]

Obscurus is actually the worst force sword, nobody uses it unless they just like it, lol

[velvet gate]

Uh oh

Lurkers didn't like that

[proper osprey]

In my opinion the illis is the best force sword

[nocturne dust]

But idk, wat difficulty are you on? This advice is only really necessary in damnation, and even then you can run whatever you want

[velvet gate]

3, I think

Level 17

[proper osprey]

If you’re wanting single target I’d go for the knife or mk ds

[nocturne dust]

Illisi is such a piece of sh-

[nocturne dust]

Deimos > Knife

[velvet gate]

But force swords are so cool

[nocturne dust]

Knife dumb

Only take knife for speed

[lethal lagoon]

Both Illisus and deimos are cooler than obscuros anyways.

[velvet gate]

I'm a pysker not some lame assasin

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, you can do whatever you want.

[proper osprey]

I mean i doesn’t lock you in place

[nocturne dust]

Neither does Deimos if you use it properly

[proper osprey]

Well yeah if I’m using that it rather use the dueling sword

[nocturne dust]

Deimos has better horde clear

[velvet gate]

Honestly, I'm loving smite

[proper osprey]

Purg has that covered

[velvet gate]

It doesn't even need damage, the stun is so good

[proper osprey]

It’s so over

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1298101918517952542/1301842275663613974/attachment.gif

[nocturne dust]

Also, yes, the dueling sword is the dueling sword. It is OP pointy stick, your point?

[proper osprey]

Why are you so mean to me

[velvet gate]

I literally never use it for damage, just to stunlock hordes and specials for my teammates to easily clear

[proper osprey]

I was just saying it’s better

[nocturne dust]

Dueling sword can't deflect bullets

[proper osprey]

Why are you getting hit by bullets

[patent mango]

cant get hit by bullets if you poke them all first

[proper osprey]

Just position better

[nocturne dust]

because they are hitscan

[velvet gate]

Force sword can? Is that what the little push is when I let go of block?

Man it is getting heated in here

[nocturne dust]

no

Deflector is a blessing that lets you block bullets

It is only on Force Swords

[velvet gate]

Oh yeah I have that

[proper osprey]

It has a blessing that allows you to block bullets

[velvet gate]

Honestly I never block

[nocturne dust]

If you never lose you'll win

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

[proper osprey]

[velvet gate]

How is dueling sword op? I feel like force sword is still better

[proper osprey]

more dps

Faster

[orchid ibex]

For raw damage it seems better but the deimos is way more versatile

[proper osprey]

By the time it takes you to do the light heavy Deimos I’ve done 4 heavies

[nocturne dust]

Dueling sword is highly mobile, very simple combos, has a special stagger that forces stagger, and has the highest damage

it also attacks fast

so uh

Dueling sword wins

[proper osprey]

I build mine with precog and repoist

[nocturne dust]

🤮

Imagine being canny

[proper osprey]

[silent wigeon]

just tried double shield and that is weirdly fun, especially bonmking specials with it.

mutie go bonk

[proper osprey]

Only thing I run uncanny on is my knife vet or knife pysker

[nocturne dust]

You wanna know a secret?

Bubble bonks muties too

because Bugtide

[silent wigeon]

I like secrets

[nocturne dust]

[silent wigeon]

oh thats neat

[nocturne dust]

It's been like that for months, lmao

[nocturne dust]

Ew

This is not the way

[slate oasis]

bubble seems to only bonk them if you dodge their charge. idk it's weird and inconsistent

[proper osprey]

[nocturne dust]

It bonks them if they reach the center where a wall would be

[slate oasis]

ah I see

[nocturne dust]

Totally working as intended

[slate oasis]

also sometimes specials walk right though the window shields like they don't exist

everything working as intended

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn getting shot over the wall

[velvet gate]

If you're rocking anything other than force sword and force staff on pysker, what are you even doing

[nocturne dust]

Playing optimally

[velvet gate]

Why are you even playing psyker

[nocturne dust]

Well, staffker is optimal

but DS is also optimal

[velvet gate]

Nuh

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[velvet gate]

no

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[velvet gate]

n o

[nocturne dust]

y e h

I would love for them to buff force swords. Illisi may be a horde clearer but it's still kinda outside meleeker

[velvet gate]

Man idk what I did wrong but every time I hope discord I get the invite popup for this server

[strong gulch]

Get it together discord.

[silent wigeon]

so speaking of double shield, how do I do a boss nuking brain burst build with it

[nocturne dust]

That's the neat part

[silent wigeon]

awww

[nocturne dust]

You don't.

[silent wigeon]

ok, I had read misinformation then

[nocturne dust]

You can do decent boss dps, but you won't be a thammer zealot.

[velvet gate]

Hmm

Teach me how to make a decent ds and I will test it myself

[nocturne dust]

and all it costs is your entire build

[velvet gate]

I still believe force swords are better

[nocturne dust]

Uncanny + whatever you like. Thrust, Agile, Riposte, Rampage, etc..

[velvet gate]

I've run ds before and they weren't that good

[nocturne dust]

mk4, spam heavies into face.

[silent wigeon]

what is ds

[nocturne dust]

Use special to stagger.

[velvet gate]

Dueling sword

[nocturne dust]

Dueling sword

[silent wigeon]

they do good pokes

[nocturne dust]

The other mks are also good, but they require more complex combos and have tradeoffs, mk4 is the ez and most single-target one

[silent wigeon]

but it doesn't have a cool feel to it imo

[nocturne dust]

Yes

And?

Pokey pokey

[silent wigeon]

force sword is cool and does pokey pokey

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/princessbride-pirateroberts-gif-18580956

[nocturne dust]

Sure. You don't get style points in meta discussions.

[silent wigeon]

I guess

[velvet gate]

How good is inferno staff

[silent wigeon]

good

[velvet gate]

I've never run inferno or electro

[silent wigeon]

I mean depends on build, both are good

[velvet gate]

How does it compare to voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

All staves are strong right now

[silent wigeon]

different

ye

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is the weakest, but still very strong (imo)

[silent wigeon]

viodstrike is very fun though

[strong gulch]

Run something like this. KR (kinetic resonance), double wall (x2 ability casts), EP, and a stim, all work together to do decent boss/ monster damage.

Easiest ranged option is to run purg/ inferno.

The thing to keep in mind is that if there is a competent boss killer on the team (non psyker), you will not out DPS them. This also isn't super fast. It is decent tho.

[velvet gate]

Voidblast? Nuh uh

[nocturne dust]

Other people disagree that Voidstrike is the weakest, but they listen to their hearts and not the dps meter

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike

[velvet gate]

No

[nocturne dust]

Thanks Fatshark for those names that everyone gets confused

[velvet gate]

Voidblast is weakest

[silent wigeon]

can't hear you over all this cool head crunching

[silent wigeon]

if built around voidblast is kinda bonkers

[nocturne dust]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[velvet gate]

How is electro kinetic? I am smite pysker

[nocturne dust]

hahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhaa

ahahahahahahhahahahaha.... ha

[velvet gate]

Hate me cuz you ain't me

[gritty geyser]

why voidstrike when I can spam left clicks

[nocturne dust]

EK is the strongest.

[nocturne dust]

🤮

[velvet gate]

??? Why is everything electric op

[nocturne dust]

Dirty lmb spammers

[silent wigeon]

it will compliment smite well as it does very good single target

[velvet gate]

Does it stun like smite?

[strong gulch]

Oh right. Yeah, voidblast totally weakest staff. Please buff.

[silent wigeon]

na, it used to, but not anymore

[nocturne dust]

Yes but only 2 targets

[nocturne dust]

Yes, Voidblast sucks. Buff its name Fatshark. That nerf unforgiveable.

I yearn for Trauma

[silent wigeon]

old electric staff was basically smite, now it's a cool lighting bolt that might as well be a better than headburst in staff form in every way but range

[velvet gate]

If it compliments smite, when will I use sword?

[silent wigeon]

when things are in your face

or you need to quell fast in a horde

[velvet gate]

Oh my god I just realized sacrificing weapons