psyker-class

[gleaming dirge]

I’ll try it on my zealot. I’ll throw on shroudfield and if I fail I’ll just fuel the stereotype hate for the class

[ripe obsidian]

I know a couple people said Maelstrom is HISTG + modifiers, but I really feel like Maelstrom has fewer elites on average than HISTG

[haughty star]

the only time bm is really good is on a smiteker

and that's just cuz you have the points to burn and it's all about keeping that charge rolling

i forgot how op smiteker is until i accidentally equipped it before a match began earlier today lmao

[nocturne dust]

Not silly, is good

Only thing the Devil's Claw has going for it

Not my best run, but I did it for you: https://youtu.be/8O7R_0AaL9U

I used a Deimos instead of DS tho.

[ripe obsidian]

Happy Halloween, by the way

[nocturne dust]

Yes, indeed, merry scary holiday

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe I should try Deimos. I use DS4 on everything except Voidstrike.

Voidstrike I'm like 50/50 DS4 and Illisi

[radiant frigate]

slappy halloween

[ripe obsidian]

No slap. D:

[nocturne dust]

It is a bit annoying that it's h2 that is the thing to use, but it's nice for the bullet blocking sometimes

[ripe obsidian]

H2 is the superpoke?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

It is very entertaining

[nocturne dust]

l1 is also a pretty powerful poke

so you go l1 -> h2

[radiant frigate]

the little stabini -> the great stabini

good combo

[nocturne dust]

unfortunately you can't repeat l1, it changes to a weird slash

[radiant frigate]

yes very unfortunate

[nocturne dust]

if you don't cancel

[ripe obsidian]

Why does your fire look so smol? It is not as blinding as I am used to

[nocturne dust]

My graphics are low

and also i turned off bloom and always have it off

I used to have graphics higher but they messed up the optimization with the latest update 😭

[ripe obsidian]

It's much more visually appealing tbh

Being able to see the screen

[nocturne dust]

although I'm not sure how beneficial the lower settings are for my fps, lol

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, my graphics are lower than before and I'm still sitting like 20-30 fps lower than before

[nocturne dust]

I think that's mainly bloom

which is dumb and I always turn it off anyway

like stupid motion blur

[ripe obsidian]

Motion blur is, in fact, dumb

[atomic swan]

volumetric fog
you can try to set it to low

[ripe obsidian]

Is already low

The best improvements I saw were from manually killing raytracing settings in the config file

[strong gulch]

It's forked that you had to alter the text file to turn it off.

I can't remember to even look. 💀

Like in the game settings.

[ripe obsidian]

I saw whatever the vet guide guy's actual name is posting about it, which reminded me

[strong gulch]

@buoyant maple, your new name just dropped.

"vet guide guy's actual name"

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know what to call him. D:

[strong gulch]

I'm serious. I love it.

[nocturne dust]

John Veteran

[strong gulch]

Iirc, it's Path.

[haughty star]

i'm quickly becoming a huge fan of Deimos but only with assail when running VS

[strong gulch]

Deimos is slowly winning me over as well. Using it on gunker.

[nocturne dust]

I prefer deimos for horde clear over illisi

[strong gulch]

I know it's good. I just never had a fondness for it.

[haughty star]

this is what i think imma settle on after much refinement. VS with Deimos, undecided on secondary blessing for it tho as it doesn't neccesarily NEED anything specific for the non uncanny slot

i tried it with WS and it just didn't have the punch i desire without that sweet sweet dd action. losing stacks on ability use really kills WS for VS in my opinion cuz it just goes all wet noodle without the buff

[strong gulch]

Thanks for the video. You posted it at good time.

[nocturne dust]

It's so you catch my shame in... not 4k

[haughty star]

man i don't even play this shitty game in 4k and i got a XTX lol

[nocturne dust]

Idk what kinda monstrous beast of a card you would need to run it in 4k, lol

[haughty star]

4090 minimally as a xtx owner lol

idk it depends cuz some people are fine with lower frames

i can't stand anything below 100 myself

not anymore that is. frames are kinda liike resolution, once you spoil yourself it's really really hard to go back lol, but you prolly never would care about the diff if you never seent it

[ripe obsidian]

I have a 3080 and run it at 1440p. Before the patch, my framerate was usually 90-120. Now it dips to 70

[haughty star]

i dip to 90 in the stressful moments, like mass hordes

i also have it capped at 120 tho so it'll never have higher to boost averages up

if i lowered one or two settings i'd probably have it at flat 120 avg but what fun is having a big nasty gpu if you don't use the damn thing lol

[strong gulch]

@nocturne dust Do you have crosshair hud?

[nocturne dust]

I don't think so

[strong gulch]

If you're interested, it has a flayer icon that shows when it's up and it's cooldown.

[nocturne dust]

oh, does look useful

[vague bloom]

any1 have an assail build

[haughty star]

depends on what you want to do with it lol

i posted one right above here like 10 messages up #psyker-class message

[strong gulch]

Yeah. you can scale it's size and place it with crosshair hud, but it's annoy af to place because it x y sliders that you have to go in and out of a menu that doesn't let you immediately see the changes. Custom hud is better for that.

Still neat.

[strong gulch]

Ye. Assail is generally paired with gunker or voidSTRIKE.

[haughty star]

my dumb ass shoves it on everything i can

[vague bloom]

whtas gunker

[haughty star]

gun psyker

the one above will allow you to run gun while still retaining the awesome power of the shriek and capitilizes on warp splitting to further make assail dumb.. it also works for void

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Gunker = gun psyker.

Assail, gunker, and melee psyker are all basically the same build.

Voidstrike being the exception.\

[haughty star]

and LMB

[strong gulch]

This covers gun, assail, and melee.

Tho, if you really want to focus on one thing, you can change it to suit those needs and desires.

[lament sapphire]

Scrier's gaze is the most unfun special to use

[prime elk]

it's because people don't take the 20% speed boost subnode

[lament sapphire]

It's still boring and has less time effect/usefulness to the entire team

[strong gulch]

Speed boost is fun. true true

[atomic swan]

instant +20% crit rate is funny

[prime elk]

nah the impact is you murder everything

i mean shriek is even less interactive

press F every 20 seconds lol

[strong gulch]

Killing helps the team, but for sure if you don't find something fun then you do find it fun.

[lament sapphire]

Everyone else is already murdering everything anyway. Knife zealots and veterans galore 😵‍💫

[prime elk]

just gotta murder everything faster than they do

[atomic swan]

Venting Shriek Creeping Flames

[lament sapphire]

Seems counterproductive to pile on more dps vs some sort of support

[strong gulch]

I don't find voidstrike to be fun. (until warp unbound memes changed things)

[prime elk]

teammates won't need support if everything is dead

but yeah i just play scriers for shits and giggles

it's good for variety

[strong gulch]

Something to keep in mind is this chat is very DPS hungry.

[lament sapphire]

I dunno. I like to support and enable others to kill more things because I find we usually make it to the end more often

[strong gulch]

So any mentions of "support" will be met with death is the best CC or support.

[lament sapphire]

I can appreciate that for sure

[prime elk]

smite can do both

[lament sapphire]

All my mains in other games are healers so im definitely the odd one out

[strong gulch]

That being said, if your prefer support things, go for it.

[lament sapphire]

Sorry to seem negative or argumentative 😵‍💫 just was trying to work on my psyker

[strong gulch]

Just make sure you have an answer for different situations and threats.

[prime elk]

yeah a good shield psyker can be a great asset for the team

[strong gulch]

I generally don't take shield, but I am never said to see it in a game.

[lament sapphire]

How do you even remember to block 😵‍💫 I typically forget all about it until it's too late hah, even on damnation and auric

[strong gulch]

If you open a box you block. If you reposition, block.

[lament sapphire]

Good rules of thumb

[strong gulch]

Block often.

[lament sapphire]

I subscribe to the meme that jokes about gay people dodging or rolling but never blocking hahaha. It's always been my excuse. I'll have to grow

[strong gulch]

Unless you dodge slide lol

[lament sapphire]

That's usually me flopping around everywhere with the slides

I'll remember what you said though

Thanks

[ornate hamlet]

I block because I need to block to push

[strong gulch]

NP. Be gay and don't let those goobers touch you. 😭

One little hand and it's over.

[lament sapphire]

I forget that's a thing, too. Only on ogryn do I ever push enemies away

[lament sapphire]

With as many solo enthusiasts that end up in my runs, I need to get better at blocking because I find myself alone far too often

[vague bloom]

sciers is a bit difficult to manage at times

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hello-peek-hi-hide-gif-17176327

[ornate hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452595174510559245/1279354626361266201/Untitled101_20220513202500.gif

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/pants-pantalones-fluffy-cat-cats-gif-14097452

Me trying to reposition.

and getting shot by the sniper lmao

[cyan portal]

you can chain l1 h2 with a quick block cancel after the h2.

[plucky flax]

Queue up to clandestine
Burster got popped right at the start sending me to the shadowrealm
Close down game

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

😭

[nocturne dust]

They should really give us like 3 seconds of immortality + knockback immunity

[plucky flax]

They need to put extensive railing at the start of the map.

[cyan portal]

😅

@nocturne dust one part of your much higher ranged dmg ratio is kinetic flayer. Would need to run power DI to see past that

[echo root]

Same here 3080 @ 1440p

[nocturne dust]

I do have that, lol

[cyan portal]

can you look at the log to see how much dmg bb did on that run?

[radiant frigate]

OSHA weeps

[proper osprey]

My 7800x3d with 32 ddr5 and a 4080 super dips from 144 to 70

[nocturne dust]

According to PowerDI, BB did 74,211 dmg that match

[proper osprey]

I set my fps to unlimited but I cap in in the control panel

[nocturne dust]

probably amped a little since I used BB a bit more than I normally do

[proper osprey]

I’m sure it’s something to do with a recent update

[frozen loom]

Any considerations I could take here?
Smite + Deflector Deimos + RMB Surge is the idea

[cyan portal]

Interesting. Yeah I'm not sold on low warp resist. I think the amount of time you spend at lower peril, and much lower uptime maintaining 5 stack blaze away, probably accounts for most of the lower soulblaze dmg.

[nocturne dust]

But that doesn't sound like a reason to not be sold on low warp resist?

[plucky flax]

It's modified scoreboard to give UnsanctionedPsyker more damage.

[strong gulch]

IDK why those scoreboards were mixed like that.

so weird

[cyan portal]

Low warp resist means you have to quell more often, which means spending much more time below 80 peril, and you can't maintaining constant 5 stack blaze away by chaining attacks because you need to stop and quell constantly.

[nocturne dust]

Blaze Away charge time is super small though, and no, you don't have to go below 80 peril

I do because I don't edge

Also, you can't maintain blaze away unless you spam lmb

[flint spear]

Need that low res for muh warp rider

[cyan portal]

If you don't go below 80 then you have to quell even more often. Sure blaze builds fast, but the time spent not at 5 stacks means it is missing a ton of dot ticks. 40% power is a huge boost to those ticks.

[cyan portal]

That's no true though, min charge secondaries will keep it at 5 stacks until you need to quell

[cyan portal]

max stacks blaze away > warp rider

[flint spear]

Why not both

[nocturne dust]

True

[flint spear]

We have ER now

You can't really do the siphon shriek spam with high warp res

[nocturne dust]

Here's the thing: most things aren't surviving a single charge of RMB

I think you're vastly over-valuing those missed ticks when things will die regardless

and not spamming min-charge rmbs means soulblaze stacks quicker as well

[strong gulch]

Late to the edge, but edge.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1301814685691154454/Edge_Catherine.gif

[nocturne dust]

Calculating it out, each tick with soulblaze on my staff does about 300 with blaze away, and 200 without it. Pretty significant. However, full-charging misses only two ticks (and just barely not one), so 200 damage out of a rotation. That's not a very significant amount of damage for how much slower you stack soulblaze.

[strong gulch]

But if you don't edge, I can see even more why you'd run PF.

Also, full charging on purg take AWHILE to charge up and that leaves you open to getting tagged and murdered.

[nocturne dust]

Didn't you see my video?

Just dodge

(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

[strong gulch]

Side step like when you and someone else are in each other's way in a narrow hallway.

[nocturne dust]

i-frames 😎

[strong gulch]

Me forgetting that enemies want to hurt me so they will just stay in my face.

[nocturne dust]

That's why you hurt them back

https://tenor.com/view/find-a-way-to-hurt-them-back-revenge-hurt-them-back-hurt-them-payback-gif-14184860

with say

a parry mechanic

[strong gulch]

Yelling "What's this guy's problem?" when I'm trying to aim and side step him SHOCKINGLY doesn't make him stop.

[cyan portal]

2 dot ticks in the time it takes to build up the full charge? And quell time assuming you're edging.

[nocturne dust]

I'm not including quell time, no, but that comparison isn't about high vs low warp res but how you use blaze away

[cyan portal]

Yeah, though chaining min charges feeds into high warp resist because you can keep the chain going much longer.

[nocturne dust]

Like, there's an argument for and against ER. I like ER, but I'm not taking it on Purgatus because it benefits the absolute least and at that point it's kind of a toss-up. I really don't see people doing more damage with Purgatus with ER just because of how much time isn't spent quelling. Purgatus charges and casts take a lot longer than any other staff.

[nocturne dust]

Right, but you're just distributing your damage over a longer period rather than clearing your area and then quelling.

[verbal thistle]

is this with the idea of using charge attacks with purg?

what about light attack spam

[nocturne dust]

yes, this is about secondaries

[strong gulch]

With WR dumped and canceling, you can keep BA stacks up and also quell. I don't do it because I am not that mechanically inclined.

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ Idk, you can do it I guess.

[strong gulch]

That's for primaries and secondaries.

[nocturne dust]

A single lmb cast only generates 4.3% peril on a 60% (with two peril gen red nodes) and no ER, which isn't a huge amount. Purgatus is still the staff that generates peril the least.

[cyan portal]

With purga the plan is to murder every enemy alive at the same time. Constantly push forward applying dots and moving into fresh targets.

[nocturne dust]

Yes.

That doesn't stop you from quelling while moving forward.

[cyan portal]

Sure, but if you're quelling you're not charging up attacks or keeping blaze at max.

[nocturne dust]

Sure. And if you're using ER, you're worrying about gaining enough peril to vent.

🤷‍♂️

[cyan portal]

That's why you take a very warp resist dumped force sword

[nocturne dust]

Being restricted to a force sword is problematic in its own right. having a sword dumped beyond 60% is even worse, and I would not put that forward as part of a guide.

Not unless it was a guide specifically about that one build.

and also, generating peril with your force sword is time spent not using the staff, so we're back to the problem of quelling taking up time or rubbing your sword taking up time

[strong gulch]

yip

[scarlet garden]

Do u guys prefer Telekine shield or venting shriek? I rly cant decide, one is nice for peril cleanse and other for making ranged fights easier

[nocturne dust]

Shriek

for meta

[strong gulch]

Shriek

[nocturne dust]

Shield because I have emotions and love defensive play

[scarlet garden]

[cyan portal]

shriek because the best counter to ranged is killing them

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/arbiter-were-it-so-easy-halo-difficult-gif-16171194

[strong gulch]

Shriek with the creeping flames mod sets a room on fire and kills all of the non-elite mobs that it touches (including snipers).

It also staggers enemies.

[scarlet garden]

Also stagger can be nice

[nocturne dust]

bubble staggering mutants mid-charge for no reason for months because of Bugtide

[cyan portal]

Bubble is better vs BoN, that's about it

[scarlet garden]

Good and bad with psyker is both ults basically allow the same buildpath lol

[strong gulch]

I prefer bubble on maps like train.

But putting a cup on the slug is funny.

Void carrying our trains with bubble purg.

[quartz barn]

Bubble also trivializes gunners

[nocturne dust]

Bubble is, on paper, better than Shriek against ranged because it will defend you from enemies at any range. IMO, it's better as long as you're competent enough to take out ranged enemies fairly quickly, but the downside is you lose the massive amounts of DPS and wiping ability Shriek has on top of Shriek also still clearing ranged enemies for most cases. However, when those bubble cases come up, it really feels neat when you have bubble

Let's not talk about wall

[scarlet garden]

If only we could have both ults

[quartz barn]

And ngl scab gunners killing you in 0.5 sec from full is still my nr1 cause of death

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark, let me replace BB with bubble

plz

[cyan portal]

if gunners are out of range of shriek then any amount of move tech trivializes them anyway

[ornate hamlet]

Kid called empathic evasion:

[nocturne dust]

I've yet to see anyone be able to avoid all damage with move tech against ranged hordes actively firing at them, and if you happen to not have the toughness and it breaks...

[nocturne dust]

works until you run out of enemies to crit on

[ornate hamlet]

slide until you can

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ivIKFo5qIrShtpyo4?invite=cr-MSxXVDUsMTkwNTkwNTA4LA

[nocturne dust]

Ew, gunker

[ornate hamlet]

we up all night to get gunky

[nocturne dust]

Most staves don't work with a crutch like EE

[ornate hamlet]

squilliam issue

[cyan portal]

https://youtu.be/Rb2kc9uEbE8?si=wljAbVL5nhlgmkk8&t=1215 for about 2 mins

[nocturne dust]

Sorry, I should clarify

all toughness damage

included

damage is damage

[cyan portal]

strange way to think, only hp dmg matters imo

[nocturne dust]

if you happen to not have the toughness and it breaks

The relevant part of my original comment

[cyan portal]

So more fully stated my point was that with some basic move tech you should be able to maintain enough toughness to take no real dmg from a group of ranged enemies over 30m away.

[nocturne dust]

Generally, yes

[paper loom]

Is it just me or are DB shotguns just pure garbage?

[nocturne dust]

I don't disagree, I'm just saying there are some situations where bubble is going to save you and shriek won't

Like when the game decides to spawn literally every kind of ranged enemy and you see a dozen sniper lasers waiting for you to peek around a corner so they can insta-gib you

[paper loom]

Shriek is handy as you can use it while getting a downed team mate up

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[cyan portal]

I agree, if that situation is 'not being good at move tech'. With skill bubble is very redundant.

[nocturne dust]

Have you never lost an auric game?

We can say 'oh, just be good at dodging and moving' all we like, but at the end of the day the game will still kill us.

[ornate hamlet]

You

[scarlet garden]

Im new to auric but yesterday with Shock troop gauntlet was a bit ahhhh with constant poxbursters lol

[paper loom]

Hmm why use it over bolt pistol or rev?

[nocturne dust]

If you're infallible, always know the situation, and never make mistakes, great. We mortals cannot do as such, which is why we use awful crutches like soulstealer and quietude to not die.

[cyan portal]

Sure I don't win them all, but I can't remember the last time I died to ranged fire.

[ornate hamlet]

It's a shotgun, it's not aiming to compete with weapons that can snipe some dude's head across the map

[paper loom]

Exactly so garbage?

[nocturne dust]

You've never had a reaper teleport in behind you and murder you?

That's suspect

[paper loom]

What does it do better than other guns then?

[flint spear]

6 reapers packs are common post update

[ornate hamlet]

No?

[paper loom]

Explain why use it over other guns please I'm genuinely asking as I can't see the point

[nocturne dust]

It does kinda feel like someone talking as if the shooter buff never happened

[cyan portal]

Between purgatus' suppression, empathic evasion, shriek, and move tech, reapers aren't something I think about.

[ornate hamlet]

It's a portable nuke concentrated in a cone

[nocturne dust]

K.

Cool, good for you?

[ornate hamlet]

You can make several things unexist in front of you and reload in a second to make more things unexist

[paper loom]

Like the bolt pistol then with no range?

What blessings are you using? I'm finding it doesn't do much to hordes and it doesn't 1 shot crushers or anything

[cyan portal]

Like, either the reaper is more than 30m away, and misses most of its shots if you're moving. Or it is close enough to shriek to get it to stop shooting, which you can do in all situations you could use bubble to save you.

[nocturne dust]

Bubble lasts a lot longer than shriek

You shrieked, cool. Oh look, director spawned a second wave.

[paper loom]

I definitely think bubble is better than shriek tbh

[nocturne dust]

uh

now hold on

I ain't going that far

[paper loom]

I find runs I use bubble go far better

[nocturne dust]

I'm just saying bubble has some uses that shriek does not fill

[verbal thistle]

cant block a bullet with shriek

[cyan portal]

You shrieked a wave of gunners with elites mixed it, charged in, suppressed and killed them all. Second wave, shriek is off cd, repeat?

[paper loom]

Yea both have uses I just think bubble is better as it helps the group

[verbal thistle]

but cant push a burster with bubble

[nocturne dust]

Shriek is not off cooldown, you used shriek to clear a horde/shooters

[ornate hamlet]

I think you might need to use the gun first

[nocturne dust]

Alternatively, you used shriek to close in on a group of reapers and now there's a second, further away group

There's a number of situations

[ornate hamlet]

That comparison is way off the mark

[nocturne dust]

and a group of reapers won't give you full cooldown, especially if your team is stealing some kills

[nocturne dust]

🅱️istol sucks because I said so 😤

[paper loom]

I've used both extensively

[cyan portal]

That's why its important that you're getting max buffs for max damage and fastest ttk to be the one murdering everything to get cd faster so you can keep murdering everything.

[nocturne dust]

But you're not getting max damage with the way you're maxing out damage, as I stated earlier

And even if you were, Staffker will always be slower than a one-shot gun

[cyan portal]

Guns can hit 1-few things at a time, purgatus can hit everything within 15m in like a 160 degree arc, or 30m with a shriek. You won't get all the kills, but you can get most of them.

[nocturne dust]

Plasma.

And also, the range of guns means they can start killing a lot earlier than you. A good enough team can literally invalidate purgatus for most of the game.

[tawdry parrot]

mmm

[flint pawn]

what song

[cyan portal]

Kinda, vs those builds it just depends how aggressively you push forward

[nocturne dust]

well yess

[tawdry parrot]

oh theres no image perms for newly joined ppl

[nocturne dust]

If you run ahead of the group, you can get the kills, sure

[tawdry parrot]

i was gonna show a clip as an example on how useless i felt with a purgatus on one run lol

[nocturne dust]

Should I expect players to be constantly in a race to ruin the fun for everyone else by getting all the kills all the time?

[plucky flax]

It's still better than trauma and voidstrike.

[cyan portal]

You don't need to run ahead like a zealot, but you should be at the front. Purga's short range makes it pretty useless in the backline

[tawdry parrot]

i have no idea how to make voidstrike good

[nocturne dust]

Sure

[tawdry parrot]

i struggle with it a lot

[nocturne dust]

but like, the idea that shriek will always be ready when you need it, I think we can agree, is dumb

[plucky flax]

Spam assail and pretend you're playing void.

[tawdry parrot]

😭

[nocturne dust]

Don't play me plz

[verbal thistle]

your pfp reminds me of something, what is it from?

[tawdry parrot]

honestly i have no idea LOL

i just got sent these pics and it looked cute so i used them

[verbal thistle]

saw her before

idk name

[cyan portal]

Purga is a momentum build. The more dots you apply, the more warp charges you get, the more elites/specials you kill, the faster shriek comes back, the more dots you apply, and around and around.

[nocturne dust]

Sure, literally every staffker feeds like a monster

I don't see how that changes that bubble can help in niche situations

Situations where shriek would be less helpful

I'm not saying every situation and I'm not saying it's common

but bubble does do helpful, interesting things and I think just saying 'well, just dodge/slide better' is ignoring its value

[cyan portal]

It is handy vs BoN especially if you get cornered, but in every other situation I think shriek in skilled hands is just better at dealing with the situations bubble helps with, and a ton of situations bubble is useless for to boot.

[nocturne dust]

I disagree with Bonbon being the only situation

[ornate hamlet]

forgor

💀

[nocturne dust]

One such example being crushers and snipers outside shriek range, with fire bombers roaming about. If you're confident in dealing with the crushers, such as say you have smite or something, the snipers and bombers are a bigger issue. Bubble is more helpful.

[verbal thistle]

figured it out, thank you for reminding me of this

[nocturne dust]

If the fire bombers are spread out and throwing bombs over a ledge outside your view, shriek isn't super helpful. You might get one or two.

[cyan portal]

The worse you are at positioning and move tech, the more useful bubble is because it can cover those weaknesses.

[nocturne dust]

Sure.

And?

[cyan portal]

I'm trying to agree it has value for some players in some situations.

[vernal agate]

I think generally, shriek is better than bubble. But bubble is good if you just want to hold your pubs hands lol

I would always rather take shriek to push damage but thats just me 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne dust]

And I'm saying there are situations that make bubble helpful, regardless of player, over shriek. Niche and rare, sure, but such situations exist.

[vernal agate]

Yep! For sure! Esp if you're in Maelstrom, with the waves of specialists/mutants/dogs modifier

[verbal thistle]

Bubble good, shriek good. Take what you want. It's a video game

yippee

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[vernal agate]

Walls are real good to take the pressure off a bad team

[nocturne dust]

Let's not talk about walls.

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-to-a-wall-gif-9702424950693960694

[cyan portal]

They can both be good, the question was which was better, and the answer is shriek by a fair margin, increasingly so the better you get.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[nocturne dust]

That was never my disagreement.

[cyan portal]

Sure, our disagreement then is my view that shriek enables you do things that skill can't replicate, whereas bubble is entirely supplanted by a certain level of skill.

[nocturne dust]

Yes.

[vernal agate]

I genuinely prefer walls to bubble, like, 2 walls are usually enough to cover any gunfire, and the toughness regen is nice but saying 'no' to specialists are better. Usually at auric people SHOULD be good enough to handle themselves in hordes, its when they cant dodge specialists when runs go awry

[nocturne dust]

Bubble already says no to specialists, and isn't limited to hallways. It works in open areas.

[vernal agate]

Even in open areas I can usually cover a team well with walls

[nocturne dust]

The only exceptions are hounds, mutants, and tox bombers, none of which are particularly deadly.

[cyan portal]

Then i suspect our disagreement is really just about what skill makes possible, which is kinda subjective to experience, so yeah, we probably aren't going to agree.

[vernal agate]

2 of which appear in auric maelstrom in modifiers, in waves

[nocturne dust]

I mean, there's a certain argument that 'skill' lets you do exactly what shriek does: stagger, damage, and quell.

If bubble is replaceable by positioning and movetech, shriek is replaceable by damage and weapon tech.

[vernal agate]

Bro by that logic

veterans shouldnt take shout

Because all shout does is stagger and sustain

"skill' should allow veterans to do that already

[cyan portal]

How do you cast a full channel at 100 peril with skill? or push a dog off a teammate on the floor above you? or pull the next room through a closed airlock? etc etc.

[nocturne dust]

and are incredibly easy to solve

[nocturne dust]

Warp Unbound, Force Push

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

Some attacks just decide to go through walls/doors sometimes. I'm sure smarter players than me can figure out a way to do it consistently.

[vernal agate]

uh huh i mean i think 1-2 gunners that slip through the tiniest cracks between walls are also easy to solve but again its your opinion bro

[nocturne dust]

and if bubble was only useful for 1-2 gunners maybe I wouldn't be dumping on walls

[vernal agate]

And if walls were only useful for blocking 1-2 gunners i wouldnt use it?

[nocturne dust]

Walls are only useful for blocking specials in tight, narrow hallways

which are also the easiest places to kill said specials

[vernal agate]

Ok i want you to try and experiment

[nocturne dust]

Walls don't even protect ogryns from getting shot in the head

[vernal agate]

because clearly you're as stubborn as said ogryn

Take walls

Go to the phage tree map

and try it out

[nocturne dust]

I've done that

Use bubble

[vernal agate]

ok

[nocturne dust]

It's better

[vernal agate]

Where do gunners and specials spawn?

put the wall

[ornate hamlet]

poopie

[vernal agate]

in front of that

[nocturne dust]

They spawn on ledges y'know

and there are bombers

the thing bubble helps with too

[cyan portal]

like, 6 or so spots at least?

[nocturne dust]

I can't believe someone is arguing for walls

Use what you like, but I don't like walls

[cyan portal]

now you know how i feel about someone arguing for bubbles lol

[echo root]

Does walls have any use other than making BB cast super fast? Didn't know that.

[nocturne dust]

Hey, there's a difference between 'this has extremely niche uses' and 'this is good'

[vernal agate]

And i cant believe you had such a bad take about not taking shriek because 'skill' when bubble is at its most useful when you're playing with noobs

[nocturne dust]

wat

[verbal thistle]

huh

[nocturne dust]

that wasn't even my take

[vernal agate]

OKAY yknow why to be fair

[nocturne dust]

[vernal agate]

I do take walls exclusively with BB

[echo root]

Making specials/elites run into walls and bonk their head has meme value

[nocturne dust]

No that's really their only use

[echo root]

Rather have shriek kill everyone on screen tho

[vernal agate]

agreed

[echo root]

Through walls

and overcap soulblaze

and interrupt mobs

and reset my peril after I greed to 100%

etc etc

[nocturne dust]

what if shriek spawned a moving wall that gave enemies soulblaze as it moved through them?

[verbal thistle]

rescue teammates with dogs on them

[echo root]

Should just make the walls do that instead of just stun

[vernal agate]

Prevent you from blowing up

[nocturne dust]

But then they might be useful

[cyan portal]

if wall applied soulblaze to things moving through it, it would still just be worse than shriek

[echo root]

If the walls did -5% peril and made anything that passed though it get 3x soulblaze I would play with them for a while.

[echo root]

Probably, but would be more fun.

[nocturne dust]

It would at least be able to, idk, hold a doorway... maybe. If it applied enough soulblaze.

That would at least be more interesting than Psyker Shout: DPS edition

[vernal agate]

I will say this though, I used to play lots of wall/bubble psyker like, starting out the game

Then yknow

As you get a lil better and more comfy

better with slide dodging

[nocturne dust]

Ok cool

[vernal agate]

Then now i just take shriek or gunker, if my teamates comp is good with ammo

[nocturne dust]

[cyan portal]

i guess if they did some classic fatshart code and forgot to give it a stack limit and let it go up to 31 stacks if you can hold mobs in the wall, then it might be good

[nocturne dust]

blackhole staff to suck mobs around wheeeeeeennn

voidblast 2: reverse boogaloo

[cyan portal]

I really want them to add a second mark of trauma staff that sucks instead of blows

[nocturne dust]

yes

Fatshark I'm begging you, add more exclusive weapons, not less

[vernal agate]

My bad man, I went back and saw the prev posts, i do agree that bubble has its niches, maybe if you already have 2 DPS psykers, but I just think that this take in particular is lukewarm at best

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

Was it supposed to be a hot take?

[vernal agate]

idk man, you tell me

[nocturne dust]

No, it was supposed to be a normal take, lol

[vernal agate]

aight well

[nocturne dust]

Nothing controversial about it

[vernal agate]

i think shriek has more value than whatever you're implying

[nocturne dust]

well yes

Shriek is shriek

I never said bubble was more valuable

[cyan portal]

seems we're back on this topic, how exactly do you get a boss to 31 stacks without shriek?

[nocturne dust]

See, this is why I dislike people interjecting into arguments they haven't read the full context of, which happens specifically in this Discord chat for some reason

[nocturne dust]

lots of sacrificial elites

and PC

also, soulblaze is replaceable with skill really /s

that's a /sarcasm, and not a /serious. You know who you are.

they're probably asleep. I should be too.

[flint pawn]

:( but understandable

[wind spruce]

Yeah, fuck people who do that

[ornate hamlet]

hot

[upper sun]

what do you mean? i love injecting teammates

[paper loom]

Can't remember who early who said DB was good , ehat blessings perks make this thing not total shite?

[radiant frigate]

what if wall ult was just in front of you and followed where you're looking

[radiant frigate]

manstopper and something something

[upper sun]

double barrel?

[radiant frigate]

scattershot? both barrels? something?

idk

[upper sun]

i really wouldnt use it outside of vet

[nocturne dust]

I think that'd be worse, lmao

[upper sun]

scattershot flettchette manstopper both barrels those are the only real options

[paper loom]

Yea DB

[radiant frigate]

waller's gaze

[nocturne dust]

That wall is just phasing through realities with how quickly it has to move

[upper sun]

id go scattershot manstopper

[paper loom]

Do they kill hordes or something legit can't see a reason to use over bolt pistol

[nocturne dust]

darn gunkers

[paper loom]

I'm lvling it atm but not enjoying it

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-angry-grandpa-gif-14233249

[paper loom]

I'm also lvling chain axe and it's painful

[nocturne dust]

I mean I like chaxe more than heavy sword

[paper loom]

Yea I hate heavy sword too

Maul is fun

[odd prism]

Every time I log onto psyker and try playing gunker I ask myself "why am I not playing vet this sucks"

Staves are where it's at

[radiant frigate]

assail and force swords

end of reasons list

[odd prism]

Great news about those and staves

[nocturne dust]

force sword is just weak power sword

[paper loom]

I played gunker since release but I had a god like revolver and columbus legit perfect stats/perks and blessings

[nocturne dust]

assail is just weak throwable zealot on drugs

[radiant frigate]

psword is an illisi with a deimos taped to it

(except you always have to empower it)

[nocturne dust]

I mean

Illisi without empowering is...

I'd rather deimos over illisi if there was no empowering, even for horde clear.

[echo root]

Illisi in general is

[odd prism]

the secret is that ps is also

[nocturne dust]

Obesefish, make Illisi blaze good

[upper sun]

illisi with malefic momentum is so based

no

[nocturne dust]

🤮

[upper sun]

they could make melee blaze on hit and it still wont be good

[echo root]

Soulblaze not proccing on crits that kill really sucks

[nocturne dust]

Blaze on existence

[upper sun]

just make it on hit

[nocturne dust]

You pull out your sword and everything immediately just starts screaming

[odd prism]

Bring back forever flame famished flame bw

[nocturne dust]

Make the obscurus empower put you in stealth, because puns

[nocturne dust]

4 stacks on hit, up to 30

[upper sun]

yes

still would be no better than purge

[nocturne dust]

I mean sure but it's really hard for meleeker to ever compete with infinite ammo ranged boi

Staffker my beloved

Like, it's the same situation as the zealot not getting any kills because a vet took a plasma for a spin

What meleeker should get is sturdiness.

We should replace EP with Unchained Sienna-style Psyker

[radiant frigate]

Real

if only it dealt with crushers as well as some other things

it would be goated

[nocturne dust]

Actually no

Screw Unchained

[odd prism]

Society if unchained wasn't ass

[nocturne dust]

Give me speedy Psyker with extra attack range

[upper sun]

AYO FINALLY I FOUND AN ACCOUNT OF A PSYKER ABILITY IN A BOOK

[languid lagoon]

guys what's the dump stup for the electrokinetic staff?

[nocturne dust]

warp res

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/v-vergil-dmc-dmc5-good-bye-chat-gif-1911582061205175226

[languid lagoon]

🫡

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/longsword-gif-22116335

[radiant frigate]

"what's the dump stat for <anything with warp resist>?"
it is always warp resist

[nocturne dust]

me when charged strike is buffed

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike wants blast radius on scrier builds

[radiant frigate]

ok

[jovial juniper]

Petition to merge Scrier's speed and DR node into base Gaze

[nocturne dust]

Petition to nuke Scrier's from orbit and start over after 40,000 years have passed

[radiant frigate]

petition to scry some more

[jovial juniper]

"No more hiding"
Takes cover

[radiant frigate]

yes beloved, hiding IS cheating!

[nocturne dust]

"Oooo, this is my favorite part!"

[radiant frigate]

"YOU SHOULD BE RUNNING, CRETINS"
the cretins run

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[jovial juniper]

"I'm suddenly felling very powerful"
Feels powerful

[nocturne dust]

I'll save us!

watches the team get hounded

[radiant frigate]

COWER, PLEAD, BEG
horde burns and dies

[odd prism]

New ability to replace scrier but it's another wall

[radiant frigate]

new ability to replace wall and it's a force greatsword

https://tenor.com/view/rellana-twin-moon-knight-magic-boss-gif-11423742208136970851

[odd prism]

This time it's solid though so you can be detrimental with it

Be sure to combine this with smiting all the poxwalkers

[jovial juniper]

overly long maniacal laugh
horde burns to death

FS plz add laughs to indicate that Warp Unbound is active

[nocturne dust]

"SCREAM, SCREAM, IT SOUNDS NICE"

[nocturne dust]

I want mild chuckling to one's self

Like the assail laugh but worse

[odd prism]

KF1 taunt players

[echo root]

Even on Electro? I feel like I get peril faster than I can Vent it with Electro.

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[echo root]

I actually blew myself up once last time I played electro. Don't tell anyone.

[echo root]

For M2 builds?

I'm not playing cheese macro builds

Fuck lmb + quell macros

[odd prism]

Yeah give yourself rsi like a real man

[echo root]

I don't play M1 spam builds.

[nocturne dust]

warp resist as a weapon stat doesn't do much

[nocturne dust]

yes

[zinc phoenix]

we have a lot of sturdiness against chaff in melee

[hasty breach]

how does blaze away function on the staff? like... the % of clip in continuous fire thing... what if my "clip" is super small like i only 1/4 charge my RMB?

[zinc phoenix]

big issue for meele psyker is no good sources of extra toughness from the fancy mobs

and no good sources of TDR that arent conditional

[jovial juniper]

It just works
It instantly stacks with the charged attack

You also get 1 stack every lmb

[hasty breach]

yikes

well so long warp flurry i guess

[jovial juniper]

The stacks usually drop between charges
But I heard there's a way to keep them

I just never bothered learning how

[summer prairie]

you can charge to around 45% without dropping them, other than that it doesn't really matter

but you can just do full charges or whatever depending on the situation and it's at most a small dps loss

[haughty star]

Dump on m1 is charge

Or.. so I've been told

[echo root]

Yeah, but I don't play the m1 build. I want my finger intact.

[haughty star]

You can bind the fire and quell to the same key in game

And it creates a feedback loop kinda scenario

I personally run a macro cuz it's funny

[radiant frigate]

this.. sounds incredibly dumb

[echo root]

Yeah I know about that one, but it's cheesy af

[echo root]

Why would I play like a gun if I'm playing the caster class?

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-zeus-gif-27082450

[radiant frigate]

i really hate that psyker is just "the caster class"

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-fire-machine-gun-mad-gif-5040051

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/magical-magic-witchcraft-gif-21774739

[radiant frigate]

where is my magically-enhanced melee combat

[austere warren]

Right tree.

[radiant frigate]

except it isn't really

[austere warren]

It's not? :^)

[haughty star]

There's like

Alot there that affects melee

[radiant frigate]

there is one node (lightning speed)

[austere warren]

Mhm.

[radiant frigate]

everything else is ranged and melee

[hollow jolt]

biomancer when?

[austere warren]

No other talents that empower melee or encourage and reward melee.

[radiant frigate]

Yes.

[austere warren]

Very true.

[scarlet garden]

On voidblast what blessings do u guys run? I currently have Rending and flurry

[haughty star]

Ew gross

[radiant frigate]

and lightning speed isn't even unique to psyker either

[haughty star]

Nexus and surge

Crit and flak

[radiant frigate]

and now that dueling swords have been released to the blunts there is even less reason for melee psyker

[haughty star]

Force swords are fun

[radiant frigate]

force swords are cool yes

[scarlet garden]

Ah

[radiant frigate]

but if i play illisi i will weep vs crushers, and if i play deimos the force part of it is an afterthought

[austere warren]

Right. Scrier's gaze does nothing for melee, disrupt destiny doesn't, malefic momentum does nothing, kinetic deflection, warp rider.

Not a single one. It's just true.

[haughty star]

Yeah they should honestly buff the charge on deimos an eviscerate for less damage is kinda bullshit

[austere warren]

Precognition absolutely has zero value in a melee-heavy psyker build.

[radiant frigate]

all of the ones you mentioned also affect ranged or are defensive

so, yes

there is nothing in there that would drive me towards a melee focus other than wanting to melee

[austere warren]

So it does affect melee?

Or it doesn't?

[radiant frigate]

yes but not specifically

[austere warren]

Darling, it doesn't need to.

[radiant frigate]

meaning it has the exact same effect on ranged

and i would argue that it does

[austere warren]

That's the point, to empower combat through magic.

[haughty star]

Id personally rather pick up one that does both than just the one?

The game forces you into melee on certain builds lol there's your reward

[austere warren]

For assurance, I'm not trying to get on you kat at all. Early sarcasm but hopefully it's not coming across as discord shitheadery

It might tho

[radiant frigate]

it's simply coming across as a disagreement

[austere warren]

Kewl

[radiant frigate]

it's more just my disappointment looking at "oh look we have some melee psyker support coming with the patch, lovely!" and then looking inside and seeing it's also affecting ranged (ergo not exactly a melee buff)

or rather

ranged benefiting more from it

(and having to give up even more toughness for it)

[austere warren]

But yeah, right tree is pretty much the main one that does that. The fluidity is the primary point.

And i definitely am willing to disagree on the idea that melee isn't benefiting from it in excess.

The ramp is actually insane.

Well, off Scrier's specifically.

[radiant frigate]

i'm going to be honest, at this point i was just picking scrier's for pathing and for not being bubble

[austere warren]

That's fair. I love it.

[nocturne dust]

The same amount as literally a level 0 zealot, yes

[radiant frigate]

there is also the really awkward bit where "want high peril" but also "want not high peril to extend sg"

what am i pressing f for? is it just for warp unbound to then throw all my assails?

agony

[austere warren]

You get faster benefits from Scrier's gaze by going melee.

[zinc phoenix]

Nah lots of toughness regen from quelling and sg

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's isn't that good. It's nice, but eh.

[radiant frigate]

anyway force greatsword when?

[austere warren]

I'm aware, I just like it the most and right tree overall.

[nocturne dust]

More damage is wholly uninteresting

[nocturne dust]

ew

[austere warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nocturne dust]

Right tree is supremely boring

[zinc phoenix]

Right tree is the most interesting in gameplay

[austere warren]

Combat magic cool, don't care

And i disagree, it's very fun.

[radiant frigate]

and this is why wizard enjoyers and magus enjoyers are not the same

[zinc phoenix]

You’re always swapping between your tools and changing things up

[nocturne dust]

Not a chance, you can play crits and headshots in literally any game

dumb

[zinc phoenix]

Left side you’re literally just staff staff staff

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Staves are the most unique part of the game

[zinc phoenix]

Right side there’s a little assail, a little stabbin, a little gun or staff always a mix

[austere warren]

I'm talking about how the flavor translates to the talent spread is all. And that shit is way cooler to me.

[nocturne dust]

Go play weapon specialist vet

[radiant frigate]

"it's just crits and headshots" but it is cool to weave in psychic knives with your shooting and your melee!

[nocturne dust]

[zinc phoenix]

I also play weapon specialist vet and it is also good

[nocturne dust]

🤮

[zinc phoenix]

But it is very different

[radiant frigate]

it's also cool to weave in empowered illisi into the rest of your illisi-ing to make both parts of illisi hit harder

[nocturne dust]

not really

[austere warren]

It's just diminishing it because of disliking it, nothing else.

There's three other classes that have conceptual overlap

[nocturne dust]

Doesn't feel good at all. Feels like gimped vet/zealot.

[austere warren]

Yall love that word too much.

[zinc phoenix]

Don’t agree

[radiant frigate]

refer to my previous message #psyker-class message

[nocturne dust]

no

[zinc phoenix]

The damage output from right side psyker makes up for the lower durability

[ornate hamlet]

voidblast more like voidbest

[zinc phoenix]

Voidstrike voidstrikieiest

[nocturne dust]

The damage output isn't that good?

[radiant frigate]

mm, disagree actually

[zinc phoenix]

Lies

[radiant frigate]

voidblast is more strike-y and voidstrike is more blast-y

they really messed up on that naming convention

[nocturne dust]

Compare to vet

[zinc phoenix]

🧐 indeed 🎩

[nocturne dust]

I disagree and think it's the opposite

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-gavel-of-haima-magic-gif-13433944069985883286

this is voidblast

[zinc phoenix]

I do in game where I get to go ham and they can eat a crusher overhead while giggling

[austere warren]

Why bring up vet when the subject is whether or not the damage you can produce as rigut tree, scrier no less.

Why do people do this?

[nocturne dust]

Voidblast is blasty because it explodes. Voidstrike is strikey because you aim.

E z

[zinc phoenix]

It’s not really people is it tho 😂

More of a singular

[nocturne dust]

wdym

Wat compare to

then?

[zinc phoenix]

Deez

[radiant frigate]

real

[nocturne dust]

I have news for you if you think I'm the only one that dislikes gunker

[zinc phoenix]

I’m not talking about gunker

[radiant frigate]

i dislike the term gunker

[austere warren]

Stop the comparing, just actually focus on what it's pumping out because it's not insignificant at all, nor is it hard to build up to during a match.

[zinc phoenix]

I have shared my build and it is a voidstrike build which is great on right side

[radiant frigate]

say gun psyker, idm, say gunker and i think it's vile

[austere warren]

Thats just where I am on it

[nocturne dust]

No

I will compare

[radiant frigate]

and this is why alivevoid is gone

[zinc phoenix]

Also I am a DD enjoyer now that it is fixed

[austere warren]

Can melt bosses.

Can shred mobs

[nocturne dust]

Sure but that's one staff

[nocturne dust]

everything shreds mobs

[zinc phoenix]

One really good staff that benefits massively from all the crit stacking

[austere warren]

I meant it as in "the thing that it's completely capable of doing well must be compared to the other thing that can overtake it, regardless of how true the previous statement actually is"

[nocturne dust]

Yes. Also the weakest staff.

[zinc phoenix]

Meh I don’t agree

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-rolling-eyes-black-sad-gif-12272769

[quartz barn]

how is void the weakest?

[zinc phoenix]

I think it’s the weakest left side staff but on right side with the surge blessing it’s a great elite hunter

And ofc it can melt hordes like all staves that aren’t surge right click

[radiant frigate]

i'm sorry did you just say voidstrike is the weakest

w h a t

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is weakest because EK elite hunts better and gets soulblaze stupidity on top

Trauma just bulldozes, and purg is purg

[zinc phoenix]

Of the options when playing left side yes, not when built for it

[austere warren]

So then, the right tree is completely capable is what I'm hearing if I'm even allowing myself to function in this circular stuff, which I won't.

Right tree good, right tree fun, right tree swoocey. Other psyker also fun because psyker fun.

[hasty breach]

how does electrostaff get soulblaze o.0

[radiant frigate]

call me again once you finish your 10 casts of surge to kill that crusher, i'll wait

[nocturne dust]

I love voidstrike, but it is not the anything but the weakest staff.

[hasty breach]

if it's just the talent then nm

[nocturne dust]

It's 4, and the crusher ain't doing crap while I'm killing it.

[radiant frigate]

did voidstrike go from strongest to weakest while i was asleep

[nocturne dust]

talents

[quartz barn]

how is it better than void then

[zinc phoenix]

That doesn’t help with the other ten crushers tho

[quartz barn]

when void oneshots crushers

[hasty breach]

disingenuous then to say that's a EK thing

[haughty star]

Every staff gets soulblaz3 lol

[quartz barn]

??? take

[hasty breach]

voidstrike is so fun on rolling steel i gotta say

[radiant frigate]

me when i have to expend all my perils to kill one crusher

[nocturne dust]

Can you people calm down for 5 seconds so I can respond

[zinc phoenix]

It’s disgusting

[quartz barn]

nah

[haughty star]

Yeah it's almost like the majority disagree with you so maybe your take is a L

[zinc phoenix]

voidstrike is my hard carry stick for rolling steel 😂

[austere warren]

Im reading that void grapes are bad so I'm just kind of whatever

[hasty breach]

use an autopistol!

pewpew

[austere warren]

I will

[nocturne dust]

Crushers are literally one enemy. You can't just live and breathe crusher oneshots.

[zinc phoenix]

Ree

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is not bad. It is the weakest staff. All staves are very strong.

[mystic pike]

Well Psykers if you end up in the same mission as me expect to get sent flying via a barrel explosion

[haughty star]

Yeah but it one shots the 10 things behind it too when it do

[zinc phoenix]

Idk the three enemies I am most scared of are stealth crusher, mass flamer and mass bomber

[radiant frigate]

d̸̓̚ǒ̵͙ ̶̾̒n̴͐̅õ̶̂t̸̓̕ ̴̿eat the vo̶̐̕i̴͒̊d̷̈́ grape̅̏s̶͆̎

[nocturne dust]

and what about the dozens of enemies around it?

[haughty star]

Soulblazr

Like your argument with surge lol

[nocturne dust]

Which is much slower on voidstrike than EK

[austere warren]

Only eat? Yall don't use these for drinks? Adhesive?

[quartz barn]

"surge is good because flame shriek kills everything"

[zinc phoenix]

Why would I soulblaze on voidstrike

[quartz barn]

wat

[nocturne dust]

and voidstrike can't do the oneshotting nonsense very well with a soulblaze build

[nocturne dust]

EK enables PC

[zinc phoenix]

If I have a crusher mob and a horde I am gonna hit F for SG, delete the crushers with voidstrike and then switch to assail to delete the horde

[haughty star]

Literally all you need is perilous

[zinc phoenix]

You don’t have to do everything with just one weapon in a class that gets three

[radiant frigate]

highroller DD can cause crusher oneshots with voidstrike

[radiant frigate]

actually it is fine

they're good in multiple ways

[nocturne dust]

Good luck with that.

[radiant frigate]

make void grape jam, void wine

[silent wigeon]

has voidstrike ever been the strongest option? I thought it was just fun and capible

[nocturne dust]

It was at one point.

[zinc phoenix]

Maintaining DD stacks is pretty easy now tbh

[radiant frigate]

it has always been strong, and downright oppressive in hallway encounters

[nocturne dust]

People say that and they're wrong.

[zinc phoenix]

Are you telling me my own experience of near permanent DD stacks is fake?

[nocturne dust]

I actually watch the stacks. I have the mods that make them correct.

[zinc phoenix]

They take ten seconds to fall off and fall off one at a time

[wind spruce]

Maybe try picking up the extra stacks talent instead of dropping it on all your builds

[nocturne dust]

I do, dismissed

[radiant frigate]

skull issue, dismissed

[wind spruce]

You don't, dismissed

[nocturne dust]

Lol, go away if you're just going to say nonsense

[radiant frigate]

if you have the triple stacks on headshot and cannot maintain dd still it really is just user error

[wind spruce]

You literally started with nonsense, I'm just matching the level

[haughty star]

Honestly it's not hard to maintain dd lol especially with void it's pretty much 100 percent uptime in battle

[radiant frigate]

so i wonder

[nocturne dust]

I don't terribly disagree but you do have to pay attention and actually hunt targets, whereas EK has no such trouble, nor does purg or trauma

[zinc phoenix]

Even walking it’s rare to get below 5-10 stacks in auric maels

[zinc phoenix]

Meh you don’t really because you’re killing so much with assail and void anyway

[radiant frigate]

if i revisit illisi/voidstrike, will it be a good experience, or will it feel like worse psword/plasma

[nocturne dust]

I disagree, many times targets will be out of the way

[zinc phoenix]

I think ds2 or ds4 > illsi

[radiant frigate]

aye but if i am picking ds i do not really need to be playing psyker

[silent wigeon]

idk voidstrike is like bubble wrap, the crackle of multiple heads seems pretty unique to it.

[zinc phoenix]

That’s not been my experience playing assloads of DD recently. It was in the past, these days it’s more likely a blueberry will spawn on a mob just as it’s about to die

[zinc phoenix]

😱 fatshark give us back unique ds 😭

[radiant frigate]

real

it's dumb to watch zealot delete bosses with ds

or crusher packs

[zinc phoenix]

And now they’re gonna nerf it

[radiant frigate]

and then no one will play it anymore

very epic

[wind spruce]

Many times but still a small minority of times

[zinc phoenix]

Also DD highlighting hidden enemies is legit amazing

[nocturne dust]

Even ignoring the stacking issue, which I do think is an issue because I do see enemies glow out of the way all the time, Voidstrike still doesn't perform as well as other staves, whether Voidstrike is on a Scrier's or Shriek build.

[wind spruce]

And it's usually at irrelevant points like events which only spawn poxwalkers and specials

[zinc phoenix]

I get pox burstered 80% less because DD loves picking pox bursters behind walls

[wind spruce]

Voidstrike is still ridiculously broken and has been for multiple patches

Oneshotting everything from across the map, so mid

[nocturne dust]

If you think it's ridiculously broken, then you must think so of every staff, no?

[wind spruce]

Pretty much, yes

Especially now that surge has gotten better

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[wind spruce]

Yeah... that's not a hot take dude

[nocturne dust]

Never said it was.

[wind spruce]

Ok sick so we agree void is broken

[nocturne dust]

No, I don't think any staff is broken

[wind spruce]

Welp

[zinc phoenix]

* Appropriately good given the lack of TDR on psyker

[nocturne dust]

this

[wind spruce]

Void has needed a nerf for multiple patches

[nocturne dust]

Psyker should do the most damage considering their flimsiness

[wind spruce]

True aim guttering was justified

And void absolutely does perform as well if not better than every other staff

[zinc phoenix]

Yes, that was silly

[nocturne dust]

No, it doesn't.

[zinc phoenix]

But it’d also be silly for psyker to have similar damage outputs to classes that can survive missing a dodge

[wind spruce]

It made void far and away the best staff before last patch

[zinc phoenix]

Yes I agree

That was too much

[nocturne dust]

Well, that and ER not existing.

[wind spruce]

Literal skill issue

[zinc phoenix]

The current balance is fine other than giving OUR sword to the blunts

[haughty star]

Ek also loses it's damage buff when you use your main source of damage in that build

[nocturne dust]

For you, git gud with the other staves.

[wind spruce]

Void is easily the highest skill cap lmao

[nocturne dust]

? that's true of every warp siphon build? And you say that like shriek isn't worth it so I don't see your point

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Not saying it's the easiest staff to use, lmao

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/LwLe3O

[zinc phoenix]

Idk trauma with its gimpy range and need to use ER seems higher skill cap

[wind spruce]

Trickshots or no shots

[haughty star]

Idk I've been a surge main my whole time as psyker and I honestly find void to be much more impactful in alot of scenarios now that I've built it

[zinc phoenix]

You also have to deal with the awkward aiming of trauma

[wind spruce]

Nah, higher skill floor for sure but you're aiming a projectile with void, that'll always be harder against moving targets

But it's close

[summer prairie]

void is good dps in a high intensity situation, it just suffers a bit when things are spread out or during traversal (though especially latter is just meaningless dps). I guess if you pair it with assail it doesnt matter

surge pads your damage stat quite a bit since you kill everything first while moving

[nocturne dust]

It feels better in intense situations because it has higher burst dps but EK wins because it stays consistent and can consistently dish that out in any situation and keep big targets stunned

[wind spruce]

Void definitely needs assail for maximum potential imo, because you're completely right it suffers against dispersed enemies

There's also just the fact of assail being still easily one of the strongest and most slept on part of psykers kit

[nocturne dust]

and yet I will never forgive it for skipping out on me when armor shows up like it's afraid of a drug bust

[wind spruce]

Yeah it's too bad it can only handle 90% of the games enemies

[nocturne dust]

If I'm going to take a keystone dedicated to a blitz, it better handle things like a main weapon and not some side piece.

[radiant frigate]

wdym "need"

[wind spruce]

90% is exactly like a main weapon, but regardless I wouldn't recommend taking EP which is the only keystone dedicated to assail when you have it

[radiant frigate]

quell 2 ticks and cast again

[wind spruce]

Don't you remember that trauma was unusable pre-patch?

[nocturne dust]

Well yes, EP sucks

[radiant frigate]

yes it was really bad pls buff

[wind spruce]

Ok so talking nonsense then since DD and WS aren't dedicated to blitz in the slightest?

[haughty star]

If assail did armor man would the game be in a weird spot lol

[nocturne dust]

I don't want it to do armor

I just want it to not disappear

[radiant frigate]

if assail could still benefit from uncanny

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[haughty star]

List of things it doesn't work on is literally maulers and crushers

[radiant frigate]

also, bosses

[haughty star]

List of things it does work on is literally everything else

[marsh badger]

void and assail both benefit from true aim

[haughty star]

Well ya. I took this as a given lol

[nocturne dust]

wdym, they aren't. They benefit other things.

[marsh badger]

and thats what void is for

[wind spruce]

Why does the game present me with challenges 😭

[marsh badger]

or trauma or whatever you want to use to kill carapace

[nocturne dust]

Bulwarks. Doesn't work that well on reapers either.

[wind spruce]

That's literally what I'm saying. Why did you saying the thing about taking a keystone dedicated to blitz

[wind spruce]

Don't kill crushers with trauma. That's what your duelling sword is for (or your teammates)

[haughty star]

It does okay on them. Usually one burst will take them out with everything else in the area if you aim over there

[nocturne dust]

My point is if I take EP, assail should feel better than it does with EP.

[haughty star]

Oh yeah for sure

[wind spruce]

Feels pretty damn strong to me tbh

And be pretty strong I mean broken af

[nocturne dust]

Well what do you even think is weak tho

[haughty star]

I don't feel like it feels strong enough to give up ws or dd

[radiant frigate]

it is generally considered bad form to use your teammates as a weapon

[marsh badger]

when there's 1, if theres >3 im going to alternate half charge full charge until they go away

[radiant frigate]

barring ogryn they are not made for such impacts

[haughty star]

Cuz dd pretty much is a straight buff for assail too

[radiant frigate]

and you cannot lift ogryn

[nocturne dust]

Psyker about to become muscle wizard

https://tenor.com/view/worthikids-wizard-beer-buff-muscles-strong-gif-5264775002962851087

[radiant frigate]

hell yeah

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/295647670712795137/999072530788790343/ezgif-5-da381ad19d.gif

[wind spruce]

Given the power creep, there's good arguments to say that too little things are in that category.

Putting that aside: brain burst is weak, purgatus feels shit af because of its range, half the guns are garbage

And purgatus is really just a me thing

[radiant frigate]

no i agree with you on purg

[wind spruce]

So, yes, all the staffs and 2/3 blitzes are nuts and need nerfs

[radiant frigate]

if i am bringing a ranged weapon i am expecting range

[nocturne dust]

Purg is not weak?

also it has like a 20 meter range

[radiant frigate]

no but it feels like shit and operates within a range that is perfectly meleeable

[wind spruce]

I hate it but I'm willing to accept it also goes in the strong if not broken category

[wind spruce]

20m is short for a ranged weapon.

[nocturne dust]

because it's your melee

It's a melee staff

That's what it is for

[wind spruce]

That's literally not how that works

[radiant frigate]

no because i am not smacking heretics upside the head with it

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

[radiant frigate]

therefore not melee

[marsh badger]

except in nurgle's blessing maelstroms purg doesn't feel great

[flint pawn]

special action

[nocturne dust]

I'm joking, but you really do use it like a melee. You run up to people and blast them in the face. Psyker shotgun.

[flint pawn]

go on

[radiant frigate]

indeed but that is not what void was talking about

[wind spruce]

You're being obtuse as f here, the complaint about range isn't that we want to use it at range, its that it leaves a hole in your arsenal at range

[flint pawn]

I need to see 4 psykers go through auric maelstrom only using staff smack IMMEDIATELY

[nocturne dust]

YoU hAvE tHrEe WeApOnS tHoUgH

[wind spruce]

Luckily purg goes in my melee slot because it's a melee staff, right?

Nvm

people not realising trauma is the real melee staff

[radiant frigate]

trauma is just conflagration staff turned up to 11

[flint pawn]

still need shotgun and laser staff

[radiant frigate]

alternatively, sienna scythe but in reverse (big stomp main attack that kills and special attack melee bonks that do fuck all)

[flint pawn]

and blizzard 😠

[nocturne dust]

purg, surge surge

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-comet-azur-comet-azure-beam-sorceror-gif-27649444

[flint pawn]

nu

I don't remember which one it was

[nocturne dust]

yu

[flint pawn]

but Sienna had a staff that its left click just shot a bunch of fire..bolts? in a shotgun like attack

[radiant frigate]

the forbidden pasta known as coruscatoni?