psyker-class

[flint spear]

[buoyant maple]

Black myth has a bunch of flaws but it’s next level in parts that it does well in

Which is like, makes sense for a new studio’s first game

[late sapphire]

Oh, i also played Hellpoint because someone in here was talking about it

It's kinda mid

Didn't get that far though

[buoyant maple]

It’s also like

Maybe one of the best stories in video game ever

Once u understand what the story is actually about

[flint spear]

7 years and $70 mil, it's either gonna be this or concord

[atomic swan]

BMW The map is pretty but it sacrificed by map pathing

[buoyant maple]

Yea their team is new to level design stuff

Which u can definitely see in chapter 2 and 4

Chapter 3 was also quite long but I think thematically it hits the hardest in terms of story presentation

There’s so much build-up for chapter 3’s final boss

So at least for me I think it was done better than 2 & 4

But I’m not joking when I say it might be one of the best stories in gaming ever

[atomic swan]

Chapter 3 is short for me because i was completely missed the secret area

[buoyant maple]

Every chapter’s individual story is like, 5 star+ in writing

Unbelievable work

[atomic swan]

untill Chapter 5 and said
wait wtf you can enhance in this game

[buoyant maple]

Did u do the true ending

[atomic swan]

First time didnt
but did it second time

[late sapphire]

Definitely looking forwards to playing black myth wukong when it isn't 60€ anymore

[buoyant maple]

Wait for like a Christmas sale maybe

Also there could be an expansion in February 2025 (lunar new year)

There’re 2 expansions planned for it

Cuz they wanted to make 13 chapters for the game but due to budget & investor pressure they only got to finish 6 for the launch version

That means 7 chapters got cut

[late sapphire]

120€ full price then 😔

Guess i will be paying no dollars

[buoyant maple]

It’s like a 40-50hr game for $60

[nocturne dust]

and how many hours have you spent in Darktide

[buoyant maple]

2.5k

[late sapphire]

I don't care how much content it has, i have the money as well, i'm just not paying 60€ for a game

[nocturne dust]

[late sapphire]

It's a matter of principle really

[buoyant maple]

But I don’t think it’s a fair comparison between a story/ARPG with a game that’s designed to be highly replayable

[nocturne dust]

Fair way of looking at it.

I prefer my ARPGs to have good enough gameplay mechanics that I can just play them over and over

[buoyant maple]

Well, black myth does have very good gameplay in combat

But after like 3~4 cycles there’s not much else?

[nocturne dust]

Yeah.

[buoyant maple]

And I mean that 40-50hr mark for first playthrough

There’s actually some build & playstyle variety in black myth

[atomic swan]

I like the vibe so much
or just maybe i am chinese
anyway black myth is a instan buy for me

[nocturne dust]

I don't have instabuys

Literally never buy anything that isn't on sale. Except Factorio.

[buoyant maple]

It’s a shame that the story isn’t more accessible to people that didn’t read JTTW
But even then the story is like, 12/10

JTTW knowledge moves that to like a 14/10 in story

[atomic swan]

as long as the game doesnt look like shit (compare to other 3A)

[atomic swan]

But even chinese, not everyone did read JTTW (The OG version)

[buoyant maple]

I read it

[atomic swan]

[buoyant maple]

I saw some people in china were like “this game is disrespectful of JTTW” and I’m like

Buddy u never read JTTW, u only watched the 1986 show

[nocturne dust]

Reading is hard.

[buoyant maple]

The actual JTTW novel is super dark lmao

[nocturne dust]

I should read JTTW, but I can add it to the long list of classics I will pretend I will one day read, lol.

[buoyant maple]

If JTTW was just a myth/fantasy novel it wouldn’t have become one of the 4 main Chinese classic novels

[potent echo]

I think they are mainly talking about the start of the game

Because haters dont really make it that far after

[buoyant maple]

At the beginning, I also thought the start of the game is a bit weird
But it’s a story being told by the old monkey, so it can be not true to what it actually happened

[potent echo]

I think it's more the prologue invalidated the ending of jttw where he got rid of the headband

[broken carbon]

have u played call of juarez gunslinger

entirely different kind of game

but it’s got an unreliable narrator

n i love it

[buoyant maple]

Never heard of it

[broken carbon]

it’s not very popular but it is very good

check it out

[buoyant maple]

Sort of? But the reveal of why in the later chapters is like

Genuinely peak cinema

Like, the reasoning & motives they gave for him leaving his title

Makes so much sense for his character

[haughty star]

bruhh i think melee malestroms are my new favorite thing

just straight up bully everything as psyker and profit

[buoyant maple]

C-I-VI is peak
Unless you’re psyker

[haughty star]

which one's that?

[buoyant maple]

Scab faction melee only no ammo

[broken carbon]

scab only mostly melee

no ammo

[buoyant maple]

Psyker in C-I-VI is basically cheesing imo

[haughty star]

ohh lol

yeah i was just voiding the whole time

[broken carbon]

smite in civi will be the easiest game you’ve ever played

[buoyant maple]

Yea

C-I-VI without psyker is so fun

[haughty star]

Nobody say it, you'll summon him

[broken carbon]

i basically solo’d a heresy civi because i true duo’d with tintin

and

tintin did not do very well

easiest 800k damage game of my life though

[buoyant maple]

I never played with him before, idk how good he is

[broken carbon]

he’s a bit better than ur average pub

i think

idk

[buoyant maple]

C-I-VI might be the highest elite spawn rate modifier in the game? Right behind scab ranged only

It’s like close to 700 elites & specialists in a 30 minute game

[haughty star]

i'm basically only good at psyker at this point

i do okay at ogryn but rage out at the thought of a trapper unless i have the kekback

veteran i get bored and screw up. zealot i think i'm playing ogryn and get smoked lol

i need to practice at all the other classes but they're basically unfun compared to psyker imo

[buoyant maple]

Well

It depends on how willing you’re to engage with the melee system

C-I-VI a few days back with a friend

[buoyant maple]

What did u play on veteran

[broken carbon]

uh oh

[broken carbon]

psyker crutch confirmed

honestly just get good at zealot

then you’ll be good at ogryn innately

and then vet is just vet

[buoyant maple]

Zealot is such a gifted class

[haughty star]

there's just so many ways to build it to mix it up that i just don't get bored with it lol

[buoyant maple]

That’s more of a veteran thing tbh

[haughty star]

doesn't invalidate it as a psyker thing either? i have like 10 different builds for soyker that all work well and do something kind of different than the next

[buoyant maple]

I mean like in terms of weapon variety

Psyker is just pretty limiting

[haughty star]

and i haven't even done burga yet. all the different staves are like a different personality for the whole char and it's nice.

and than it does guns fairly well too. idk there's just so much to do with psyker it's hard to get bored with it for me personally

[nocturne dust]

I mean the staves are a lot more varied than guns, sure, but at the same time there's only 4 of them. And then there's psyker melee which is 🤮

[haughty star]

as far as vet i usually do a voc revolver build with just the cap for the target marking one and going down into the right side for the melee stuff and a couple things like fully loaded and bring it down from the left

it's like, super effective, but boring.

[buoyant maple]

Yea the choices just are lower

[buoyant maple]

How many hrs have u played so far, am curious now

[haughty star]

800 something i'm p sure

[buoyant maple]

Ok makes sense

I would highly encourage u mess with veteran’s talents more

[buoyant maple]

If you want to, that is

[haughty star]

i always mess around with my builds but its hard on the chars i don't like that much {anything but psyker} cuz i just like to keep something easy that works on there to do my weeklies with

[buoyant maple]

Like, for starters

Revolver is basically just a weapon specialist gun for veteran

It doesn’t need focus target for breakpoints

And scales insanely well with weapon specialist & agile engagement

[haughty star]

i just use focus for team support and weakening monstrosities

[buoyant maple]

It’s not needed

Again, I think this highly depends on how willing you’re to engaging with melee

[haughty star]

eh. i don't care enough to be honest with ya bud

i like psyker lol

[buoyant maple]

That’s fine

[haughty star]

like i've tried DB on vet and WS and the stealth crap and all of em feel really easy and cheesy lol

my voc build feels easy but at least that makes things easier on the team too

also breakpoints are kind of a moot point to me. it's a whole ass team out there lol. marked target can define the difference between one or two shots to finish that particular guy off lol

[vernal blaze]

okay i might be trippin but i unironically think doing this worsened my performance

💀

[buoyant maple]

Maybe change it back to what u had then

[buoyant maple]

Veteran usually cares about consistent breakpoints while psyker doesn’t

I can see why u wouldn’t like veteran

[haughty star]

if it was just you out there sure

[buoyant maple]

Consistent breakpoint + having to engage with melee

[broken carbon]

(because psyker sits in the backline and doesn’t have to worry about significant threats)

[haughty star]

or if the whole game was playing in psykaneum sure

[buoyant maple]

Nah

This is just not true

[broken carbon]

no lol

[haughty star]

but breakpoints are kind of a moot point when there's a whole ass team out there lol

[broken carbon]

if a teammate is attacking an enemy, they’re probably going to kill it

[haughty star]

to me anyway

[broken carbon]

they will not spread their damage out equally

[buoyant maple]

Yea for a psyker u can just not care about breakpoints

[broken carbon]

also true

because u sit in the backline and just shoot shit

[haughty star]

literally untrue?

[broken carbon]

ur never in any major threat due to how absurd ur CC is

[buoyant maple]

Literally true

[vernal blaze]

i mean 90% of the time you see a special standing still getting ready to do its thing its full health

[buoyant maple]

What breakpoint are u caring about

[haughty star]

what kind of psykers do you play with? where is this backline you speak of?

[vernal blaze]

if you can stagger then yeah breakpoints matter a lil less

[broken carbon]

just not immediately in melee range

[buoyant maple]

U have Soulblaze, Crit, +damage buffs from talents that need u to crit, etc etc

It’s too much in terms of variables to care about consistent breakpoints for psyker

[haughty star]

i don't care. vet boring as hell imo

overtuned on most good builds and a literal mountain of toughness and health to keep you alive. half the fun with psyker is the lunacy for me

[nocturne dust]

eh, idk, breakpoints do matter for psyker. They might not be as useful because chances are soulblaze has done some damage, but they're still very important, especially when you're on the backfoot

Being able to kill an enemy in 3 vs 2 staff rmbs does matter quite a bit at times imo.

[haughty star]

yes but we're on the backlines never having to melee and clearly safe all the time

[buoyant maple]

Which weapons’ breakpoints on which enemies

Like, if u say duelling sword & EK staff, that makes sense

If u say VB / inferno, that’s not really applicable

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yeah, inferno doesn't care as much

[buoyant maple]

And Voidstrike is half crit with variable DD stack bonuses that it’s hard to keep track of consistent breakpoints

So in the end it’s like 2 weapons that have some sort of consistent breakpoints going on

[haughty star]

i wish rampages bonus lasted 5 instead of 3 seconds

[buoyant maple]

EK reaches ~50% crit chance in combat so that further diminishes the “consistent breakpoints” aspect

[broken carbon]

a good psyker player will rarely ever be in danger just due to positioning and CC

[nocturne dust]

psyker still has melee

🤷‍♂️

[buoyant maple]

Which melee weapons’ which breakpoints

DS4 cares about maybe 2 breakpoints ?

[nocturne dust]

I don't understand, what are you trying to argue here?

[haughty star]

all i said is vet is boring in psyker chat lol. to me it is. it's literally a snoozefest playing on a good vet build because they're literally almost unkillable when played well lol

[broken carbon]

i also find vet very boring with 2 exceptions

[haughty star]

soyker might be able to make some room for itself {heavily dependant on build} but it's always lunacy cuz a friggin bruiser could take you out if you slip for one second lol

[haughty star]

what are the exceptions?

i'm curious cuz i'll try anything a few times

[broken carbon]

helbore exec stance keystoneless, shovel DB weapon specialist

[buoyant maple]

I mean, u wanted to bring up consistent breakpoints, no?

[runic juniper]

full crit mk3 hellbore, or whatever the slow one is, thats boring to me

[buoyant maple]

My take is that psyker has too much crit/DOT/talent buffs in terms of variables to care about “consistent breakpoints” most of the time

[haughty star]

i mean you could go as far as saying if there is a psyker around breakpoints don't matter lol

[runic juniper]

the faster one is nice though

[haughty star]

if that truely is your argument. there is little that is unviolated by a good psykers shenadigans when things get heavy

[broken carbon]

yeah because psyker is OP

[haughty star]

almost like they made it a glass cannon class?

[buoyant maple]

Depends, I’d still say they’re highly relevant regardless of team composition

Then again I play the “consistent breakpoint” class

[broken carbon]

glass cannon

lol

with decent positioning

and basic situational awareness

you’ll output absurd damage and be fine

[haughty star]

yes but most of your argument towards not needing to focus breakpoints on psyker are aoe things like soulflame and such, no? do you just get full health enemies every time regardless of being lit on fire because you're on vet?

[broken carbon]

you generate 7.5% toughnes on warp attack kill

which is a vast majority of your kills

discord just bugged hard

[buoyant maple]

Yes? Should I really expect every gunner, shotgunner, flamer & trapper to have some kind of DOT applied on them at all times because a psyker is on the team?

[broken carbon]

weird

[haughty star]

to fill a toughness bar of like 100

lol

that's covering your generous health pool of like 130

[buoyant maple]

More like 210+

[runic juniper]

just kill the shit before it hits you, not that hard with assail, staves and whatever ability you run

[broken carbon]

psyker’s damage output is far too high

electro M1, smite, assail, perilous combustion

[haughty star]

nahh. it wouldn't make sense to play if it didn't aoe

noone would care if it weren't for that stupid score board mod and everyones chronic main character syndrome lol

[broken carbon]

LOL

insane take

[broken carbon]

mfw the mod that lets me see more information about the game lets me see the flaws in the game

😦

[haughty star]

it's not a flaw lol

[broken carbon]

it absolutely is

[haughty star]

you want a mf glass cannon to not have the cannon

[broken carbon]

psyker should have good damage output

not to this extent

[zinc phoenix]

Mald more blunts 🔥

[broken carbon]

it’s like saying ds4 zealot isn’t OP

[haughty star]

it should absolutely have more damage than the rest imo. that's usually how glass cannon builds work in these types of games

[zinc phoenix]

That is OUR sword

[vernal blaze]

does psyker really fill the glass cannon archetype though

[haughty star]

and by more damage it's literally aoe damage lol. so like noone should do aoe anymore?

[vernal blaze]

enough to justify the brain damage tier damage output anyways

[haughty star]

they don't really do that much outright damage

as i stated it's mostly aoe where they shine

and aoes output goes up with more shit thrown at it so of course it's gonna top damage in the hardest modes of the game lol

[buoyant maple]

Glass yes
Cannon no

[vernal blaze]

wait i forgot about scriers

[buoyant maple]

EK surge m1 is more like “ICBM” tier, not a cannon

[split lance]

smh

just say you dont know how to play psyker

[haughty star]

im pretty sure he's saying its more than cannon tren

[buoyant maple]

I’d rate their dps above “cannon”

[broken carbon]

kills 2 elites

every single chaff dies

kills 3 elites

every single elite save crushers dies

balance

[split lance]

u are forgiven

[haughty star]

is that a kiss or a hug

oh god its a kiss

not my pepe

also what the hell is op about assail? i think your problem is with perilous here

they basically already nerfed our beloved into the ground. it got a little life breathed back into it with warp splitting

[buoyant maple]

Assail is not op
Until u get them to hit like 7 guys per shard

Then it’s a bit ridiculous

[broken carbon]

rager stagger and cleave stacking

[haughty star]

yeah and ?

you guys main a gun that has theoretically infinite damage as vet

that only vet can use

[broken carbon]

i don’t play vet lol

i’m a zealot main

[buoyant maple]

Plasma? Plasma doesn’t deal with rager groups as good as u think

[haughty star]

it deals with them literally amazingly if you just back up a lil bit lol

[runic juniper]

same with every stave

[zinc phoenix]

Idk when I’ve used plasma it tears ragers up

[buoyant maple]

That’s only if u get them lining up

[haughty star]

sure plucking them out one by one it's not that impressive but its like the age old revolver argument on literal steroids

[zinc phoenix]

Mobs do be conga lining pretty often

[haughty star]

yeah if only they'd run at you in a tight annoying little pack amirite

[buoyant maple]

It’s 2 shot kill and doesn’t fire fast enough to wipe ragers before ur forced into melee

[haughty star]

i do not share the same experience lol when i'm plasma on vet i have 0 issues dealing with those lil turds

[zinc phoenix]

Luckily vet is near unkillable and has excellent melee and an aoe knockdown with toughness to boot?

[haughty star]

don't forget both health pools being well over 200 unless you're doing something horrendously wrong

and a shout that literally fills one of them regardless of how low it is

[zinc phoenix]

I mean the damage output on psyker is excellent but when I want to roll around for an unkillable ez mode game I go vet or zealot

[buoyant maple]

U can try fighting them in meat grinder and see how well plasma kills them

[haughty star]

yeah see that's the thing

[zinc phoenix]

Why would I do that when I can play the game and see how well it does in game?

[haughty star]

i kinda rate stuff on how well it works in the game

[buoyant maple]

The moment any kind of flanking behaviour happens plasma’s kill efficiency drops vs rager groups

[haughty star]

assail doesn't always work the way you want it to either lol

it's kinda got a mind of its own at times

[zinc phoenix]

Trauma in a big open area with gunners feels pretty ass

[haughty star]

also the clips of dudes penning like 7 enemies at once is with Warp Splitting at full proc

[zinc phoenix]

Assail in SG when you’re at 100 peril goes real hard

[vernal blaze]

isnt that situation kinda ass with literally anything that isnt accurate medium range single target burst damage

[haughty star]

ok you got a point ther

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

[haughty star]

eh zealot with it's ignore gunner perks lol

[buoyant maple]

Do u at least know the conditions for plasma 1 shot ragers

[vernal blaze]

fighting for my life with a stubber because my vet has brain damage and forgot that his now empty revolver was not for chaff shooters

[nocturne dust]

I disagree. Consistent breakpoints remain important.

[zinc phoenix]

Idk what changed with revolver but I feel so ammo constrained on it

[haughty star]

na bro i just throw the thing in my hand after building it the way some nerd told me to and enjoy

[buoyant maple]

Ok, which consistent breakpoints on which weapon for psyker

Give me examples

[zinc phoenix]

Did they decrease the number of rounds you get per ammo pickup for revolver or something?

[broken carbon]

path isnt being demeaning here

i think he just geniuenly wants to know

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike, EK, dueling sword, deimos, illisi.

[buoyant maple]

Which breakpoints

Be specific

[nocturne dust]

Why tho?

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t actually know any breakpoints, I’ve just never cared tbh

It’s gamer astrology I repeat

[nocturne dust]

Ew

[buoyant maple]

Because you’re talking in a “consistent breakpoint” context, and usually in these kinds of contexts u want consistently replicable breakpoints against specific enemies, which are made available with generally achievable conditions at the start of fights

[zinc phoenix]

Like in game there is a massive amount of incidental damage flying around, people be shooting and stabbing all over, you’re getting auras n shit

[buoyant maple]

If you’re saying “Voidstrike surge crit 1HS crusher”

Cool, what’s the activation condition for that

[nocturne dust]

Right, but I'm arguing that Psyker cares about them and that they're helpful.

[broken carbon]

voidstrike will stagger basically everything it doesnt oneshot, i dont think that BP matters really

surge i can see

dueling sword attacks so fast and with an instant forced stagger on everything (except bosses) that for most situations its kind of moot

deimos BPs can matter particularly for ragers and maulers,

illisi agreed for ragers

[vernal blaze]

catch my ass relying on the ogryn heavy attack aura to land my deimos h2 mutie oneshot 😭

pre unlocked n loaded was a rough time

[buoyant maple]

If you want to argue that psyker cares about them, you gotta show which ones that they care about and what conditions are needed for these breakpoints

[zinc phoenix]

The things voidstrike doesn’t stagger in one (crusher, sometimes ragers) are the stuff you really want staggered tho 😂

[nocturne dust]

Breakpoints are necessary to help prevent psyker from being overwhelmed, yes, you can stagger one guy with dueling sword. What about 20?

[broken carbon]

dodge backwards and press special again lol

ds has great dodges

[runic juniper]

movement slightly below that of a knife

[broken carbon]

i can see ds

i just dont think that they're that important

[haughty star]

why does it always seem like i'm literally one point off of the perfect build for soyker

[nocturne dust]

great advice for dealing with literally everything, surely no conflating variables exist

[broken carbon]

especially because once u kill one its easy

[broken carbon]

yeah exactly

[buoyant maple]

I’ve still yet to see a single “consistent breakpoint” being mentioned

[broken carbon]

u get it now

[broken carbon]

crushers and ragers get staggered on weakspot lol

[nocturne dust]

This is why I don't like non-psykers in psyker chat

[broken carbon]

i cant think of a time ive seen them not get staggered

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

tryna get shriek with DD and assail is like a chore lol

[zinc phoenix]

My accuracy isn’t 100% when I’m flipping around like a frog on meth

[broken carbon]

im not baiting i was just joking there

ds attacks so fast that you will be able to attack a second time in a vast majority of times

[buoyant maple]

Hello?

[haughty star]

which ya know, is what you have to do constantly to stay alive as psyker

[zinc phoenix]

Meth

[haughty star]

i prefer queludes but they're getting increasingly harder to find

[broken carbon]

this seems to be a skill issue methinks

[zinc phoenix]

A downer? Surely not 😱

[nocturne dust]

sure, but it is undeniable that killing things quicker helps so I don't see your point

like, yes, Psyker can work without caring about breakpoints. You can do that with every class too.

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-silly-hello-hi-silly-kitten-cat-wave-hello-gif-15245852903591135367

[buoyant maple]

Can u give some consistent breakpoint examples

[broken carbon]

psyker BPs can be nice, but its one of the classes where they r least important

[nocturne dust]

for what

[nocturne dust]

Mmmm I don't disagree with that.

[buoyant maple]

Wdym for what, if you want to talk consistent breakpoints u gotta tell me which ones

Which weapon, against which enemy, under which condition

[haughty star]

no but we and only we have the lingering effects of soulblaze and our other aoes effecting our breakpoints so we don't have to care

not to mention we're safe the entire game

[nocturne dust]

I feel like you're misunderstanding if you're asking for specific breakpoints

[broken carbon]

yeah actually

u get it now

[zinc phoenix]

You guys are nailing the autism breakpoint

[broken carbon]

even though you're being sarcastic

[buoyant maple]

No, I’m asking for “consistent breakpoint” examples

[broken carbon]

u really owned us with that one!

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

[haughty star]

average zealot main

[nocturne dust]

Mutant headshots with thrust on ds4 🤷‍♂️

[buoyant maple]

Let me give you one example

With unarmored perk, both 5% ranged damage nodes (optionally fire team), 5 stack redirect fire and precision strikes, plasma gun can 1 headshot both gunners & both flamers regardless of distance or crits

[buoyant maple]

What’s the actual condition
How many stacks of thrust
Does it need crit

[haughty star]

anyways if it's a choice between warp splitting and it's delightful overpoweredness and the tripple charge for dd which one's ya'll gonna choose?

[nocturne dust]

No crit, only 1 stack of thrust iirc

[azure parcel]

why on EARTH is the charged damage lower?

[haughty star]

don't question it

just love it

[buoyant maple]

Are u absolutely positive

[haughty star]

and it's interaction with blazeaway

[buoyant maple]

Because if that’s what you’re saying, it’s not enough

You also need +maniac

[azure parcel]

what interaction

[broken carbon]

m1 is a single burst with higher stagger, m2 is the channeled flame with stagger that builds up

makes sense to me

[buoyant maple]

There’s also other potential variables

[azure parcel]

sooo what am I supposed to use most of the time?

[buoyant maple]

What about malefic momentum

[haughty star]

from my understanding it's really overtuned with blaze away on it rn lol

[azure parcel]

the m1 or the m2

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[zinc phoenix]

Both

[buoyant maple]

What about DD

[nocturne dust]

I don't see what your point is tho

[broken carbon]

m2

[haughty star]

m2

[broken carbon]

m1 is nice for stagger

but m2 for damage

[azure parcel]

ok

[nocturne dust]

Like, okay, here's this one specific example. A lot of interfering variable do exist. Okay. And?

[buoyant maple]

I see you have now mentioned 1 consistent breakpoint
What about other ones

[nocturne dust]

wtf does this prove

where are you trying to go with this

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-feline-meme-funny-gif-8764472215214951735

[azure parcel]

the aoe bomba staff is hard to use, the smite staff is bugged on controller rn, the cannonball staff is nice and now i'm trying this one

I think I like this one the most

[haughty star]

there's alot in the veteran tree that alters it tooo man lol at this point it kinda just looks like you're being facetious but i'm stupid so i ain't tryna argue

[buoyant maple]

“Psyker cares about consistent breakpoints”

• posts only 1 consistent breakpoint

[buoyant maple]

Like what

Give me examples

[nocturne dust]

wtf you mean, you want me to post every single breakpoint?

[buoyant maple]

Gotta be at least like
3+ on every weapon that cares about consistent breakpoints?

[zinc phoenix]

Oh my god talk about anime or getting kicked in the balls or literally anything else

[haughty star]

literally one of the umptillion flat damage boosts in vet tree lol wtf man

[nocturne dust]

Who made you the god of arbitrary nonsense?

[buoyant maple]

Flat damage boost is not variable??

[buoyant maple]

I’ve been talking logic this entire time, if you want to make an argument about psyker caring about consistent breakpoints in general, u can’t just post 1 single consistent breakpoint and say that’s true

[haughty star]

yes but both is not possible in this specific

i am bad so i need two heavy regen nodes lol

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, I'm sorry I don't have a list on-hand of every single breakpoint in the game

[buoyant maple]

That’s fine, I never expected u to have it

I think this can conclude that psyker generally doesn’t care about consistent breakpoints then

[nocturne dust]

You certainly seem to since you're asking for specific ones

[nocturne dust]

No.

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

[buoyant maple]

Well yea, I bring a “veteran min-max” energy to this conversation that I know y’all don’t appreciate

[buoyant maple]

Name more then

Which weapon, under which condition, against which enemy

[broken carbon]

rager BPs i think r the most important one for psyker

[zinc phoenix]

I think warp splitting is more consistent boost but it will probably depend

[buoyant maple]

Which weapon under which condition

[nocturne dust]

No, cuz I don't feel like it engaging in what I view as nonsense.

[zinc phoenix]

Kinetic deflection allows us to ignore them for a bit

[haughty star]

this is what i'm going for with void and ds4

[broken carbon]

idk

[buoyant maple]

Shame then
No proving consistent breakpoints for u ig

[haughty star]

i want the assail for trash cleanup but i really want ws i think to help with that

[zinc phoenix]

IMO flamer is the crucial thing to kill for psyker

[broken carbon]

i dont play psyker anymore lol

i didnt say consistent BP either

[zinc phoenix]

Flamer is fucking terrifying devil son of bitch who must die

[haughty star]

everything is terrifying to me as psyker when a friggin bruiser can take down half your health pool

like bruhhh

[nocturne dust]

"Psyker cares about breakpoints"
"name every psyker breakpoints rn"

[haughty star]

SEE

THEY DON'T CARE

[buoyant maple]

I didn’t say every, I said give 3+ examples

[zinc phoenix]

If you can’t name any do you really care about them?

[nocturne dust]

per weapon

[haughty star]

GOD WHAT A IDIOT

[zinc phoenix]

I can’t name any breakpoints because I don’t care

[split lance]

@lethal lagoon

you cant hear me?

[buoyant maple]

Ykw I’ll simplify this for u

Pick any 3 weapons
Name 3 consistent breakpoints with them

[zinc phoenix]

I would ditch wildfire or one of the assail upgrades

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/beyblade-beyblade-arena-penis-do-not-don't-gif-17942561398574627299

[zinc phoenix]

What about the beyhive?

[haughty star]

Wildfire?

ON MY BUILD?

Hell no

[buoyant maple]

3+ examples in general

Not per weapon

[strong gulch]

If you drop ethereal shards, you can get warp splitting.

[haughty star]

too late. we're already here

[buoyant maple]

I already know some psyker weapons don’t care about breakpoints

[zinc phoenix]

I can’t comprehend going shriek without literally every cooldown reduction

[lethal lagoon]

Hear deez nuts

[zinc phoenix]

If I’m gonna ree I’m gonna ree hard and I’m not gonna stop

[haughty star]

yee i know but i got the 12 percent from ability and the 10 from the tree plus whatever garbage my meatsacks are running

[zinc phoenix]

You’ll note that at no point do I use math to justify my argument and that is because I don’t care

[strong gulch]

Assail shriek things.

[zinc phoenix]

We play the class that wears a metal slab across its eyes

[haughty star]

is erethreal just one extra target?

[strong gulch]

Yes.

[zinc phoenix]

This is not a thinkin class, it is a feelin class

[haughty star]

oh fuck that than lol ws will do the heavy lifting

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah the upper assail thingy is not noticeable when you give it up that’s for sure

[haughty star]

FEEL DEEZ

[zinc phoenix]

The breakpoint on deez nuts is 0

[haughty star]

[strong gulch]

It really does. If you want more info, Blitz Notes part 3 has more details on assail cleave with ethereal shards, warp splitting, and EP.
edit I forgot the LINK nooo lol
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

[haughty star]

WHY DO I HEAR PICTURES???

[haughty star]

word, thank you.

[zinc phoenix]

Space meth

[strong gulch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

[haughty star]

wait wtf he already got the new talents worked in?

[strong gulch]

Sorry about that lol

[haughty star]

what a monster

[nocturne dust]

EK with +elite rmb oneshots green gunner (and +flak), EK with +unyielding kills reaper in 4 rmbs but 3 with perfect timing active, EK with +flak kills flak ragers in 2 rmbs with perfect timing

I did it on one weapon

for you

[zinc phoenix]

Good good let the autism flow through you

⚡️

[buoyant maple]

What’s the talent buff condition for EK one tap scab gunner with flak + elite

[haughty star]

MORE MORE

[buoyant maple]

Does it need crit

[haughty star]

{I think that's the psyker line}

boutta jump into the mael and make someones game real bad

[zinc phoenix]

Very nice

[buoyant maple]

I’m sorry if this I’m coming off as being offensive here but I think it’s at least useful information for people to have, especially if it’d be coming from someone who wants to do psyker guides

[strong gulch]

Surge / electro break points. 😭

I won't go back. random damage causing emotional damage

[haughty star]

they don't even know yet

[nocturne dust]

who said I wanted to do guides

(I did but I was joking)

[buoyant maple]

I thought u said u wanted to do a psyker guide

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[buoyant maple]

Besides

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[zinc phoenix]

What doing just one guide does to a mfer 👆

[buoyant maple]

EK is like
Already randomized body part damage
With perfect timing talent stacking variable
What’s the actual guarantee for scab gunner 1 bodyshot

Consistent breakpoint is guarantee

Does it need more

Does it need perhaps warp charges for +damage

[nocturne dust]

Wdym, perfect timing is pretty consistent

Like it's very easy to keep up

[buoyant maple]

It’s easy to keep up, but “consistent breakpoint” means available all the time without having been engaged in combat immediately prior

So you can say that but it’d be a caveat (needs X perfect timing stacks)

[nocturne dust]

Mmmmm, well I don't agree with that definition of consistency.

[zinc phoenix]

I do

[buoyant maple]

I can go back to my example on plasma gun

It’s always replicable

[zinc phoenix]

You can’t say it happens every time if it only happens sometimes

[nocturne dust]

I think we should have a different word for that

[zinc phoenix]

Like a car that consistently starts always starts

[nocturne dust]

But it happens every time you're in the thick of the fight

[buoyant maple]

I think you can put urs as a “combat reliable breakpoint” but it is not “consistent breakpoint”

[nocturne dust]

[buoyant maple]

Again, I mean no offense to anyone here

[strong gulch]

I prefer this language.

[zinc phoenix]

Sure but if I’m just wandering around and want to dome some schmuck and I’ve heard “consistently one shots” but actually it takes 2 I’m gonna think it’s a shitty car

[buoyant maple]

I think when you’re talking in the context of consistent breakpoints, being able to replicate that under known conditions is the key factor

[nocturne dust]

well yes

but the conditions are known, it's just not 'any time anywhere'

[buoyant maple]

So what are the talent buff conditions
How many stacks of perfect timing
How many stacks of warp charges

[nocturne dust]

for wat

[buoyant maple]

EK lightning 1 tap scab gunner with flak + elite

Does it need crit

[zinc phoenix]

I’ll be honest I basically never look at my wee little buff bar

[buoyant maple]

Does it need whatever other things

Does it need perhaps warp charges for +dmg

Yk

[zinc phoenix]

The amount of shit you can ignore while still playing this game well is kind of incredible

[nocturne dust]

It needs perfect timing or warp charges iirc

[buoyant maple]

Ok, how many stacks

[nocturne dust]

Skill > numbers

[nocturne dust]

again, idk what you're trying to prove, I'm not making a guide 😭

[buoyant maple]

Ya but you wanted to talk consistent breakpoints for psyker

[nocturne dust]

want is a strong word

[buoyant maple]

And I’m talking consistent breakpoints here

I think the best u can do for psyker is a few “combat reliable breakpoints” but very few “consistent breakpoints”

[zinc phoenix]

He’s not letting you go until you post noods 😂

[buoyant maple]

Which does correspond with what I said as in “psyker doesn’t care about consistent breakpoints generally”

[nocturne dust]

I mean, sure, but I was never using the same definition of 'consistent' that you were

I would agree with the more strict language

[buoyant maple]

I mean, if you’re trying to disprove my argument, you kinda need to go along my definitions, no?

[nocturne dust]

Who said I was disproving your argument? I was just giving my viewpoint

🤷‍♂️

and my viewpoint doesn't conflict with yours, merely the wording was problematic

[buoyant maple]

Fair

[nocturne dust]

Anyway, damage is a dumpstat

[fading patrol]

Warp rider joins the chat

[buoyant maple]

Yea, it’s just more variables

It gets to a point where there’re so many variables that keeping track of them for consistent breakpoints is pointless

[fading patrol]

As a psyker the only breakpoint i want to know is how many peril% to oneshot mutant

[vague bloom]

electro staff or void staff.

going assail

[nocturne dust]

I would recommend voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

Eh, but they're consistent enough that you can generally just keep track of whether they're around or not

[buoyant maple]

Combat reliable breakpoint ≠ consistent breakpoint to me

And I’m too lazy to be tracking warp rider + perfect timing + potential warp charge bonuses

[acoustic osprey]

auric shouldn't have any heal stations

[haughty star]

ohhh

maybe a maelstrom condition?

[acoustic osprey]

i think as a base. maybe just 1 halfway

[haughty star]

i don't think anyone would ever survive lol

[nocturne dust]

I think that makes the current state of ragers a little problematic

[haughty star]

they have the souls games for your kind

[green musk]

not having a good day in game

[acoustic osprey]

knife and dueling sword def need a nerf tho

[vague bloom]

or

let people use wat they want

[acoustic osprey]

is there a restriction in game of equipment?

[vague bloom]

no, which means you dont have to use it

[acoustic osprey]

sorry, i didn't mean to offend you

[vague bloom]

you didnt, just once people complain about a gun all the fun stuff gets nerfed and unusable

[atomic swan]

tbh I dont like nerfdrivers2 again

[ripe obsidian]

RIP. That was my yesterday. Take care not to get burnt out.

[green musk]

oh nah, im good. just switching between a lot different playstyles all day and honestly i dont think vet is for me, i get kinda the same experience on zealot

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. For me it was the vagaries of Maelstrom. Sometimes the director just says >:( and bullies you. Sometimes people hit level 30 and jump from Malice to Auric Maelstrom.

I got frustrated and am taking a couple days away from games in general

[steep estuary]

Question, what's the dump for Purg?

[strong gulch]

warp resist

[steep estuary]

Oh dang

[ripe obsidian]

Embrace the warp. Resist it not.

[steep estuary]

just got this

[queen fog]

Who needs to quell

[strong gulch]

Quell speed can be dumped. I feel the difference between 60 and 80. If this is paired with a shield build, higher warp resist is fine.

Can use it until you can something better.

[steep estuary]

Could always take solidarity to balance

[left basin]

i need more thrust mechanics on staves so i can overcharge my rmb

i need overcharginggggg

[cedar sable]

does uncanny strike still work with inferno staff?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[cedar sable]

warp nexus and penetraiting flame for the staff?

[buoyant maple]

Warp nexus + blaze away

[cedar sable]

tyty

[left basin]

when cont ent

[flint spear]

thrust on staves to overcharge special attack

[nocturne dust]

staff melee meta

[flint spear]

Swings are cool 👍

[radiant frigate]

monk subclass with bonk force staff when

[viral flare]

stun shields are so good omg

I don't think I'll be going back to dome shield

[stuck sinew]

Stun shield on mutant wave maelstrom

https://tenor.com/view/smash-wall-cant-leave-gif-16928911

[rotund solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

Nothing will stop the Mutants!

[pale tiger]

how do i get trauma staff ?

[jovial juniper]

Level 4

It's the VoidBLAST one

[brazen rampart]

RAAAAAAAAAAAA

[zinc phoenix]

I had one mutie maelstrom where I dodged every single mutie. I felt like a god… until I got barreled off a ledge

[wooden tiger]

is there any specific smyker build? seems like everyones getting annoyed at it so I want to see what all the fuss is about

or is it more a "if youve got smite youre good to go"

[zinc phoenix]

Do yourself a favor and play literally anything else

“Hold right click while dodging” is not particularly engaging gameplay

[jovial juniper]

Pick your poison

[haughty star]

Lmao scriers smite

[formal harness]

There's also a non EP but faster ult cycling warp siphon version

[haughty star]

Warp unbound is hilarious

[haughty star]

That's just basically a staff build but with smite lol

[formal harness]

Pretty much yeah. Still qualifies as smyker tho

[haughty star]

Not invalidating it just elaborating

I use it on my surge so I can still run ds4 for quick heavy dropping

[wooden tiger]

the scriers one is interesting, whats the idea behind it? i get the shitting out flames everywhere with venting but not that

[formal harness]

infinite smite

[haughty star]

Is this because of warp unbound? Or just the nature of how scriers works with the kills

[formal harness]

warp unbound bs yes

[jovial juniper]

You start zapping
Then you Scrier's
You'll get a small damage boost and once you hit 100 Warp Unbound will keep you smiting

[haughty star]

For like 10 seconds at that

[jovial juniper]

Once Unbound ends you'll stop smiting

[formal harness]

smite can't crit but you also get a smal ldamage boost well he jsut said it as I was typing

[jovial juniper]

Then you quell fast because Solidity

[formal harness]

I honestly prefer venting shriek synergies tho

It's also almost infinite with way more dps

[jovial juniper]

And if the stars align you'll have Scrier's up because Psy's Wrath

[haughty star]

I feel like the unbound would be better for just shredding shit fast

[formal harness]

You lose the soulblaze dmg from shriek so the overall dps is actually lower

but you can hold it for way longer

I play psyker like in on crack, so I like taking fast ult cycling

[haughty star]

But with scriers you can use a gun too and deal more burst dps with scriers smite so I think it's give and take.

[formal harness]

fair, I was only talkig about the smite part

It is much better if you wanna go smite gun for sure

[haughty star]

My only issue with smiteker is what to use for a weapon lol

[formal harness]

we can play one game rn if you are up

[haughty star]

Surge is okay but it's really not impressive without buffs in the tree for it

[formal harness]

I'm using a real adderall build

[wooden tiger]

aight thank you very much guys, when i get home im gonna go ruin some pubs itll be grand

[haughty star]

I would but I'm not home

[formal harness]

enjoy bro, screenshot the complaints

[jovial juniper]

Yeah with EP Scrier's Smite you'll be killing Bulwarks as long as you hold smite and deal 2600 damage to a Crusher

[haughty star]

Feel free to add me tho I'm on almost all the time after business hours

[jovial juniper]

If you proc Battle Meditation often you'll kill that crusher

[formal harness]

send a message I'll be around

[jovial juniper]

Just be mindful of the minimum distance

Enemies hugging you won't get zapped

Peak gameplay

🛌

[quartz barn]

tbh its been a long while since ive seen people in game complain about smite

i guess it mostly happens in base heresy / damn where basically nothing happens already xd

[formal harness]

I still think it needs to be changed as currently it is just too strong, but I don't complain about it either.

[quartz barn]

its not about strenght, but about the stun / dmg balance

[marsh badger]

its self limiting because its 1 of the most boring ways to play

[quartz barn]

base smite is useless because you do none and let the team 3 man

[formal harness]

If stun damage balance is off, it becomes too powerful so yes, it is also related to strength

[quartz barn]

meanwhile ep smite clears rooms without any effort

but there's no way to balance this

its always either useless or op

[formal harness]

Shorter holding duration for smite would be a good start, it needs to be quicker to get in and out of smite as well

[quartz barn]

• people complain if the runs are too easy anyway

[formal harness]

I'm expecting a rework tho, just not anytime soon

[quartz barn]

saw it a bunch in AM when i did the last few ogryn mission clears and ran the bulwark loadout

full self sustain hard carry build

but if multiple people used similar loadouts you would just speedrun missions without issue

[formal harness]

4 smykers is snoozefest

[quartz barn]

making glass cannon build feel worse

ye pretty much

better buff poxwalkers

[haughty star]

Honestly I have a harder time in heresy and damn on the left board than I almost ever do on auric.

And I've been doing nothing but auric maelstrom lately

On soyker anyway

I suck ass at zealot rn and vet is boring. I do like my ogryn tho

[quartz barn]

zealot is ok, but doesnt really have a varied playstyle aside from melee spam

vet is the same but gunplay is less engaging

[haughty star]

4 smikers enhanced blitz ma3l

[late yew]

DD or EP for gunker with assail?

[thorn cedar]

EP = Assail Psyker with a Gun
DD = Gunker with Assail

[late yew]

that's a good way to put it

[zinc phoenix]

Ogryn is the only thing more boring than smiteker I s2g

[late yew]

So i suppose it depends on the gun

[late yew]

weapon specialist vet is not boring

[haughty star]

I like ogryn tho. It's a feel thing with it

[haughty star]

To me it is. Vet is too easy to play

[jovial juniper]

Ain't no way you rate Ogryn that low

[haughty star]

In general

[echo root]

I'd also rather play smite than Orgyn.

[haughty star]

Like oggy even if it's just your standard left tree kickback build is terrifying to play cuz at literally any moment a trapper could ruin your whole ass day. It's also cool just feeling big and tanky. I think my favorite thing about ogryn is just squaring up with monstrosity to tank aggro for the team

Feels really good just being able to trade blows with a pawgryn lol

Like this shit #ogryn-class message

[thorn cedar]

Not entirely. It's less complicated than that really. EP is only going to buff your Assail Shards and nothing else. DD buffs your entire kit, Assail included.

[echo root]

Oh yes I love reloading my fucking shotgun 500 times in one round

[haughty star]

I rarely ever personally even go through a reserve on my kickback

Fucker is reserved for trappers and snipers in my world lol

[thorn cedar]

Other than increasing cleave DD at high stacks will be doing more for Asssil than EP does, especially on crit headshot shards.

[patent mango]

use rock

[echo root]

That's my main issue with ogryn, either you're reloading cause the two most fun guns have 1 in their mag. Or you're heavy attacking, very monotome playstyle.

[echo root]

I always have the rock.

[patent mango]

rock

[haughty star]

I get what you're saying

[thorn cedar]

yea ogryn has tree issues

[haughty star]

I just think the feel of ogryn is really good

[patent mango]

ogryn tree is eepy boring

[thorn cedar]

it's way too stacked on heavy attacks

[spark otter]

Hello hi yes I literally just joined for this
I am trying very hard to enjoy Psyker and I just can't.
Perhaps they're too support oriented for my taste? It feels like I dont do anything. Anything I can do another class can do better. I'm a vet main and a zealot on the side. In the time it takes to cast brain burst someone else has just blown the things head off with good old fashioned bullets. Smite feels like I just hold things and pray my team can kill them. The flame staff feels dreadfully underwhelming. The explosion staff takes too long to use. The shoot projectile staff is just boring.
Help me please .

[echo root]

What lvl are you

[patent mango]

psyker is mostly not support

[spark otter]

20 on Psyker currently

[thorn cedar]

its funny how the bull butcher knives completely flipped in tiers when the trees came out, and all that mattered was that one knife blends a sweep heavy attack better lmao

[broken carbon]

unfortunately leveling psyker is the most painful

[patent mango]

try assail that might work

[echo root]

Okay go get a Purgatus with 60% Warp res. Put 5% crit and Flak on it. Blessings should be Blaze Away and Warp Nexus.
I'm making a skilltree for you atm.

[haughty star]

Other classes are easier to play but ultimately psyker tops damage

At lower difficulties anyway. And yeah she's a late bloomer

[spark otter]

Im so used to just tearing through things as vet and zealot

[jovial juniper]

Psykers aren't support oriented either
You just need to get to level 30 to get everything online

[haughty star]

Just run a gun to get through leveling

[echo root]

You'll burn everything except bosses and crushers to a crisp in less than 5 seconds on the highest difficulty

[haughty star]

Gun and assail with shriek

[late yew]

bruh what

zealot and ogryn both way easier

[echo root]

Spam RMB on Purgatus until you're above 85% peril -> Venting Shriek.

[haughty star]

Easiest way to get over adolescent psyker. Staves suck ass before 30

[echo root]

Vet is just Shout -> aim at head.

[late yew]

So don't play with shout"

Z ealot with charge is also dummy easy

[echo root]

That wasn't the discussion.

Vet with Shout is dummy easy.

Easier than Zealot with charge.

[spark otter]

I think I've seen this sentiment a few times. I was trying something similar to what Kretserud posted and found it a bit clunky. Maybe I'll try it when I've levelled. Haven't tried gun + assail yet

[late yew]

Is there a way to start stacking DD in psykanium?

[patent mango]

creature spawner mod

[late yew]

I have it

[echo root]

Start spamming dodge slides while charging / quelling if you didn't already.

[patent mango]

ok remove ai respawns and enemies, spawn some ranged enemies and unblind them

[jovial juniper]

Oh avoid using Smite with Shield
Or Smite without EP

[spark otter]

Haven't touched the shield

[echo root]

The shield is decent for carrying bad players, but you can obliterate your whole screen with Shriek.

[jovial juniper]

Smite is a powerful blitz with a proper build
It's just boring though

[spark otter]

Yeah I've seen some contention on the reddit about Smite recently

[jovial juniper]

Yeah bad smite players gave smite a bad name

[patent mango]

smite is just eepy both to use and if someone spams it

[echo root]

Stay away from smite if you want to have fun

[true rover]

me gusta

[late yew]

Damn, heavy recon with Warp Splitting has soem insane cleave

[patent mango]

sadly its the blitz in the middle spot

[jovial juniper]

Just get to lvl 30 so you can start cooking with Warp

🫡

[echo root]

Assail is the most fun Blitz, BB is probably the best one since it's on the correct side of the tree.

[patent mango]

assail is fun but i want cdr

[late yew]

I always loved BB

Popping heads just too good

wish i could do that irl

[echo root]

BB is really satisfying, but I rarely use it manually.

[tough igloo]

Whats the sentiment here re: smykers?

[late yew]

I use it very actively with purgatus

plus double shield wall

[echo root]

Oh that build

[late yew]

I outdamaged left-click surge dudhead withi t

[tough igloo]

bb with inferno staff is nice, but I like running assail with it for some ability to take out gunners, bombers, etc

[late yew]

With shield wall you are in no hurry to deal with them

[tough igloo]

idk. shield wall goes down pretty quick with 3-4 gunners shooting at it lol

[jovial juniper]

Smite good
Bad smite players, heh you'll never guess, bad

[echo root]

Losing Psykenetic Aura and Wildfire hurts

(Wildfire only for In Fire Reborn)

[tough igloo]

how do you deal with ranged enemies with that build though?

isn't smite filling the same role as inferno staff at that point?

[echo root]

Run slide up to them

I never run smite

I run BB

[upper sun]

based?

[echo root]

#psyker-class message

[tough igloo]

Not a fan of venting shriek

its fine in dedicated groups, but if I'm expected to carry, which happens like 50% of the time in PUGs I need the shield

[late yew]

gunker is insane at expense o low ammo

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek carries more than bubble does.

[tough igloo]

not ime

[ripe obsidian]

What difficulty?

[tough igloo]

Heresy/Dam

[jovial juniper]

You do realize that Walls and Bubbles have the same HP/Damage taken property right?

[tough igloo]

???

HE has venting shriek on the build he linked lol

[ripe obsidian]

I would imagine the players at that level are not great about dealing with ranged enemies.

And Shriek actually kills and staggers ranged enemies. With bubble, they're still a problem that needs handling, especially if gunners rip through the bubble

[tough igloo]

Idk. I guess I'll try it.

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble is good, not disagreeing there.

[abstract totem]

I wanted to run bubble and came up with this im using a revolver for carapace

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek can clear rooms, hit enemies through walls, get dogs off of allies, etc.

[echo root]

Yeah it's highly addicting.

[ripe obsidian]

You'd want True Aim with assail, no? Also probably DD

[haughty star]

Its not necessarily for that it's for proccing the bb

[tough igloo]

I know that lol

[haughty star]

Like if you're using either shield to protect from gunners you already fucked up

The bubble is best used to create a octagon to fight in and wall is for stopping elites in their tracks

[tough igloo]

So you're under the expectation that you will not be able to kill any ranged enemies, and you're fine with that? Cool if so ig. I'm just not that confident in the people in my PUGs

That's why I run assail rather than BB for more contextual needs

[echo root]

The gunners die to 6 venting shriek stacks and then spread fire all over the place

I played maelstrom two days ago and kept getting kills on elites/speicals 12s after going down due to all the soulblaze spreading.

[tough igloo]

Every what? 30 seconds?

[echo root]

Oh you sweet summer child

-10% from your aura
-12% from Curios (assuming you're a gigachad)
-5% on every elite/special you kill.
-x% based on stacks from Warp Siphon

[tough igloo]

I can throw an assail every second and take out nuisances

[tough igloo]

Pretty sure those are multiplicative, not additive

Not sure tho

[echo root]

They are, I'm just listing them.

[tough igloo]

Okay, so its what? Like only 15% lol

On a 30 second cooldown that amounts to like 5 seconds at most

[summer prairie]

additive

[tough igloo]

Oh it is additive, misunderstood

[late yew]

I think the better your team is, the less value shriek has, and more value bubble has

bubble = safety = more focus on killing rather thna surviving

With bad team shriek gets lots of damage

with good team it does barely any damage, since everything dies fast

[echo root]

You also get 6x 7.5% from warp siphon. Venting shriek enables In Fire Reborn.

In Fire Reborn doesn't require the mob to die from soulblaze damage, as long as it had soulblaze on it while it died it works.

Same with Wildfire.

[tough igloo]

ime is the opposite. I feel like every PUG has 2 useless zealots that think they are solid snake, and a veteran with the revive shout

[echo root]

The 6x burn stacks from shriek doesn't care about the max 15 soulblaze stacks either

and soulblaze damage does not scale linearly

[tough igloo]

Didn't know that

Now I'm interested

[echo root]

Burn mauler -> shriek

Whole room dead

[glacial socket]

Shriek my beloved

[tough igloo]

Can you link build again?

Nvm found it

[echo root]

Go 3x 4% cdr as well

for max profits

[glacial socket]

Also psykin aura to reduce it further

[echo root]

Yeah it's in my skill tree

[glacial socket]

Crazy strong node

[echo root]

One of the best in the game, scales harder the higher difficulty you play on as well.

Anyone crying about wasting a point in Essence Harvest, just put it somewhere else.

[haughty star]

Basically everything with psyker does

[glacial socket]

So true

Those simpletons don't understand our power

[echo root]

I had my friend play Maelstrom for the first time ever yesterday and talked about the "no ammo pickups modifier" he only plays vet and is almost always out of ammo.

[haughty star]

They understand when I'm using voidstrike on no ammo maelstrom or smite on ability mael

[glacial socket]

If only their was stuff on the poor vets tree to help with that

[haughty star]

There is unless I missed the /s

[glacial socket]

Theirs a couple things

[echo root]

Maybe it could be an aura that fills 1% of ammo every 5-10 seconds.

[glacial socket]

I know theirs the OG aura along with some other nodes for ammo and nades

[haughty star]

Survivalist should keep a reviver full pretty much the whole game if they're not being wasteful

[echo root]

Revolver?

[haughty star]

Ya

[echo root]

My friend only plays Infantry Autogun / Vigilant Autogun, can't remember which one.

[haughty star]

Idk autocorrect be whack sometimes

[tough igloo]

aight Kret. Ima try out that build. o7

[echo root]

GL Chief

[glacial socket]

We believe in you sibling

[echo root]

Set fire to everything sibling

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-pyro-teamfortress2-teamfortress2pyro-fire-gif-13656490

[glacial socket]

What is yalls opinion on the -40% peril gain/-30% percent toughness gain

It feels okay to play with but idk how much I'm missing out on due to less peril

[tough igloo]

Kret are you running Blaze Away + Warp Nexus on that?

[glacial socket]

Running on a very similar build but with trauma

My bad didn't see you were responding to someone else

[jovial juniper]

Some builds don't even feel the reduced toughness regen

[tough igloo]

I like it on ~some~ builds, don't wanna run it on inferno staff build bc ur so close to melee range

[glacial socket]

With the sheer damage and already insane toughness regen on psyker it doesn't feel to bad

The CC from trauma also helps for defence

[jovial juniper]

Unfortunately Pots is bugged rn
So depending on the build you'll have to pick ER but you didn't want to
Or Pots that is currently mostly dead talent

[late yew]

this UI bug so annoying

if you die once, DD stacks will forever not show correctly unitl you restart the game

[tough igloo]

okay this build is absurd

huge diff in killing pwer

[late yew]

what build?

[tough igloo]

this one

[quartz barn]

good old shriek spam

combine with blaze trauma for more fire and shriek uptime

[jovial juniper]

We burning nurgle's garden with this one

[haughty star]

I only really like in on surge and even still id rather just invest the extra point to grab the reduction from wc

Personally

And smiteker

I guess lol

[tough igloo]

Is this a known bug? very annoying.

[haughty star]

Yes

Its in preparation for surges new double surge blessing

[tough igloo]

😮

[haughty star]

The last part isn't real but I wish it was

[tough igloo]

Sounded too good to be true XD

[haughty star]

A functional surge for surge

[prime elk]

yes pls buff m1 psykers

[haughty star]

Surge already has that surge

I want one for m2

[tough igloo]

Yuh same.

[haughty star]

Or it to work with m2

Although idk how id feel about no flurry

[tough igloo]

Damage from M1 too strong with that build to not mostly just use it

[prime elk]

it should really only work on m2

[haughty star]

I use a macro to make it even more dumb

[prime elk]

m1 is so overtuned right now lol

[tough igloo]

gib

[haughty star]

Its really not that bad if you're not using macros or are really good at quell cancel

[tough igloo]

was thinking of making my own so I can just hold down M1 instead of clicking

to save my wrists

[haughty star]

Yeas

[quartz barn]

surge lmb should just be smite rmb

[haughty star]

Yeah also there's this lol

Machine gun hands ✋️

[tough igloo]

gd lmao

so fast

[haughty star]

I just recorded a basic lmb and r 3 times and went through and changed the timings to .03 on everything

[quartz barn]

alright can i load into an actual mission now instead of a failed screen

[haughty star]

Then set it to loop on button hold

Through synapse

[quartz barn]

atleast i get free mats and mastery

[haughty star]

I like having that macro set up even for non lmb revolving builds

It helps with l1 spam on deimos and makes assail fully auto too with a similar effect on fire rate @tough igloo

[echo root]

Yes. And with flak damage + 5% crit (can be replaced)

[echo root]

I like it on Electro only.

[crisp yacht]

I run empyric resolve with scriers gaze voidstrike build. You just never stop casting. It's fun but probably not better then a shriek build.

[tough igloo]

lol. @haughty star, ur comment reminded me to reinstall Synapse.

I uninstalled it bc I was using a diff mouse for a bit and didnt need it

[haughty star]

I pretty much exclusively use a 6 button naga

[tough igloo]

That's what I'm using. 😄

Wish buttons could be mapped to more than one button 😦

*Hotkeys

in game I mean

[echo root]

I'm using a glorious model 0 and the software sucks

[echo root]

You probably can with mods or editing a config file somewhere

[tough igloo]

True

[echo root]

Games that are made for console

[tough igloo]

Disgusting.

[haughty star]

What's a model zero?

Synapse objectively sucks because it has to be backgrounded but it's really functional

I think it's a scheme to sell their higher dollar models. Gotta pay the premium to get the "on board profiles"

[haughty star]

Steelseries?

[echo root]

The brand name is Glorious

[haughty star]

Just guessing bas3d on aesthetic

Huh

[haughty star]

I don't like mice with the cooling holes cuz i eat at my desk alot

[echo root]

Just vaccum through them

[haughty star]

Lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Logitech G502 has been my mouse for a decade or more

[echo root]

and wash once in a while with hot water + whatever cleaning detergent you use

[haughty star]

Logi stuff just has kind of a cheap feel to me and idk why

[ripe obsidian]

Fair

[haughty star]

I started 4 years ago with a basilisk pro v3 or some shit and I still daily drive that mouse to this day

[echo root]

I miss my OG logitech mouse

[haughty star]

Is that gel?

[ripe obsidian]

My issue with the G502 is that it double-clicks sometimes. But I think my Corsair keyboard that I had to get RMA'd is doing the same

[echo root]

Nah it's plastic

Looks like this skill from GW1

[ripe obsidian]

Every so often I get two spaces, or three periods, etc.

[haughty star]

Oof

[echo root]

Once a mouse double clicks it's over

[haughty star]

Yeah no i know razer had a bad patch but since I started playing pc I've been on the same razer peripherals. They've got to have thousands of hours by now lol

[echo root]

I had to give up on my first edition corsair cause it scrolled in every direction

It served me 10 years

[haughty star]

See i can't stand something heavy like my naga for most games but like darktide I love it

Also darktide is like the only game I use my stupid detached keyboard on