psyker-class

[brazen rampart]

But there is also merit to not using it.

Makes it a valid option for a blessing.

[ripe obsidian]

Few things are so satisfying as a charged Voidstrike blast killing 8 ragers in a row

Few things are more unsatisfying than those 8 ragers spreading out before you can blast them

[modest perch]

Should I use the bowling ball staff more ?

[ripe obsidian]

It's the weakest currently

But it is my favorite

The True Aim nerf hurt it a lot

[echo root]

Bowling ball feels awful compared to the other 3

[ripe obsidian]

:<

[echo root]

I'm sorry, I don't like aiming at my own feet and doing 30 damage to knock shit over.

Meanwhile Voidblast does that already....

While doing full damage.....

[ripe obsidian]

I never aim at my own feet

I just swap to melee and have a grand old time

Still, I agree that Voidstrike is weak as compared with the others

[modest perch]

Trauma been feeling weak af recently idk

[ripe obsidian]

Surge > Purg > Trauma > Voidstrike

I say this with my own preference being Voidstrike > Purg > Surge > Trauma

[plucky flax]

I played trauma yesterday and wishing I was playing surge instead

[ripe obsidian]

Surge is strong. Trauma is... not very fun for me.

I also didn't enjoy Coruscation in VT2

[plucky flax]

I did steal all the soulblaze from the burga guy tho

[solemn moss]

Voidstrike best coz funnest

[ripe obsidian]

Rude of you

[plucky flax]

His fault for playing with a soulblaze thief.

Also trauma proc dh from 100m away and I died

[ripe obsidian]

That's your punishment. >:(

[plucky flax]

The blast is so freaking huge

[solemn moss]

Can smite proc dh?

[nocturne dust]

my preference is voidstrike > trauma = purgatus = surge

that's not a joke, I really do cycle through the other 3 staves pretty equally

[ripe obsidian]

I use Voidstrike loads, Purg sometimes, Surge rarely, Trauma never

[modest perch]

Illisi with blazing spirit + smite + every soul blaze talent

Name a more iconic combo for waking the witch at the worst possible time

[nocturne dust]

@split lance and existing

[strong gulch]

🥲

[echo root]

I tried this and it doesn't proc if the crit kills

Build idea ruined

[modest perch]

I just use it cus funny

[ripe obsidian]

I want to do a Poxburster Psyker build. Crystalline will, 3x wound curios

[modest perch]

If I actually wanna get something done I’ll switch to a class I’m not a total dogwater trashcan on

[echo root]

It would be funny if you could burn all the heretics with blazing spirit + wildfire, but alas

[modest perch]

Yea it’s pretty underwhelming even with shred and other stuff procing it every few hits

[radiant walrus]

does perilous assault affect reload speed or is it only swap speed?

[nocturne dust]

swap speed only

[modest perch]

That is a good question

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

[ivory path]

Alright recon lasgunker is fun, assuming i get a team like that one every game

pointing out every ammo drop and giving me ammo crates

I spent the whole round mag dumping lol

[ripe obsidian]

Recon is fun, yes. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt

[ivory path]

at one point all I could hear was reaching max peril over and over. Scriers kept trying to go to 100, but mag dumping into a horde was matching it in the opposite direction.

no aiming involved either

spray and pray

everything gets set on fire

[nocturne dust]

Gunker out-flaming the flamer

[ripe obsidian]

For what it's worth, THammer is a more fun melee weapon than anything Psyker has

Even if Psyker has more fire

[nocturne dust]

I find psyker melee to be abhorrent generally

[ripe obsidian]

Fair

[nocturne dust]

It just feels off

[ripe obsidian]

I find it serviceable

[ivory path]

Im honestly waiting for them to nerf the DS so i can just throw a knife on all my psyker builds for mobility and nothing else

[ripe obsidian]

Gods, I hope not. I do not enjoy knife

[ivory path]

Heavy attack sonic zooming is so much fun though

[nocturne dust]

Lawd plz no

If I wanted to play knife I would play zealot

[ripe obsidian]

Knife is just bleh to me

I like hordeclear melee weapons. I want to feel like Sauron

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-lordof-the-rings-smash-hit-swing-gif-4849903

[ivory path]

What I really want them to add is another staff geared towards support, though I dont know what that would entail. Obviously cant do Biomancy, at least not the healing.

[brazen rampart]

RAAAAA FATSHARK GIVE US A FORCE HAMMER

[ripe obsidian]

Crowd Control would be the easiest answer

[ivory path]

I was thinking something that could sorta rope hordes together into a tight group

with maybe a light stun

[ripe obsidian]

So Elf staff from VT2?

Make thorn walls to funnel enemies

And lift up big enemies

[nocturne dust]

I dunno with fatshark balancing I could see them adding a healing staff

[ivory path]

Because getting to hit tight knit hordes in this game are some of my favorite moments, would love to have a psyker on the team setting those up

[nocturne dust]

blackhole staff

[ivory path]

That'd be slick

could also do something like giving people damage reduction or various other buffs

[nocturne dust]

Bubble but staff

[ripe obsidian]

Problem is, then you have to rely on your team

And that is a path to madness

[ivory path]

Yeah a staff that gives people bubble butts

[nocturne dust]

Actually pretty characters in Warhammer are illegal

so uh

straight to jail with you

[ivory path]

I think id still have fun if I could create a turbo brute

Double their movement speed and melee speed or something

[jovial juniper]

Mercy maxxing on DT

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-team-fortress2-uber-ubercharge-gif-25046063

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/medic-tf2medic-practice-medicine-evil-gif-22434393

[ivory path]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-heavy-medic-spy-gif-16963008

[ripe obsidian]

If Psyker gets a Force Hammer, I will Meleeker for the rest of my days

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-26414884

[nocturne dust]

I've built a meme damage-dump build before, where the entire purpose was enabling teammates. It actually worked kinda well, but also it was Zealot with a book and shield of contempt

[plucky flax]

Yeah chanter zealot is good enabler

Just go to enemy group and sing.

[ripe obsidian]

Since the crit CD talent nerf, I've swapped to chant over charge

[plucky flax]

It still recharges pretty fast.

So that you can have permanent attack speed increase from chastise

[patent jacinth]

I love new zealot crit cdr

[mild heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-F0_6IzB08

his zealot build was hot garbage

how is this tho

[patent jacinth]

It’s so much more consistent and you can actually tell it does something

[mild heath]

im not profound enough to rate gun pusker build

[nocturne dust]

Bro, I don't use gunker and even I know that talent tree is ew

[mild heath]

[modest perch]

Wait why is the zealot singing and also what kind of song

[strong gulch]

The thumbnail is cool.

[plucky flax]

Hallelujah

[modest perch]

Like by that dude who died in a boat crash or whatever ?

[nocturne dust]

https://youtu.be/a7wAwYiWhAo

The soundtrack is just Zealot in the background

[modest perch]

Lmao

Ok yea the Jeff Buckley song would totally mess up some heretics

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7kfOOrkrOQ

Here's a song to Psyk to

[heavy bane]

trying to get the cliffhanger penance is so ass

[ripe obsidian]

You are correct

[heavy bane]

why is it like that

the best map to do it the opportunity is at the end

[ripe obsidian]

Because the game hates you.

[heavy bane]

and if my team is half competent they kill everything

I'm good at killing everything this stupid positioning game where you need 7 dudes to fall in 2 seconds is so annoying

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

You are again correct

[modest perch]

Idk I got it by accident and I don’t even know how to quell and at this point I’m afraid to ask

[ripe obsidian]

Reload button

[heavy bane]

and the venting shriek doesn't even push that good it more like staggers

[strong gulch]

The requirement used to be higher; but it's still one of those grind your sanity to dust penances or you got it on accident and don't even know what you did to get it.

[modest perch]

I think I smited (smote ?) my way to it when I was leveling

Also I swear I was kidding. I have always known how to quell. All those times I popped were due to negligence and not cus I didn’t know how to prevent it I swear

[strong gulch]

[modest perch]

Lmaooooooo

[ripe obsidian]

Man, I have a friend who has probably 200+ hours in VT2 with Drakegun Bardin and Sienna as his mains, and he doesn't quell. He also doesn't block or dodge. He's my only friend who plays, but fuck it can be frustrating

[nocturne dust]

I don't quell in VT2

but also I don't play Sienna

[patent jacinth]

I played a bunch of unchained and pyro

[modest perch]

Yknow I’ve been super salty all day until I read this and now I’m feeling much better cus I realized my life could be so much worse

[ripe obsidian]

I was primarily WHC and Zealot Saltz

[ripe obsidian]

I am glad my suffering offers you solace

[heavy bane]

is smite better for throwing off the ledge

[modest perch]

I hope my drops of pity offer you some comfort

[patent jacinth]

I could play as everyone but shade, slayer, zealot, waystalker, and handmaiden

[modest perch]

Also yes

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I did every mission as every class on Legend easily enough for Okri's Challenge. I just had the most fun with WHC, Zealot, Warrior Priest, and Mercenary

[nocturne dust]

Bruh I loved handmaiden

and zealot

and waystalker

and shade

I'm seeing a pattern here

[patent jacinth]

I probably just didn’t play them enough

[nocturne dust]

Shade took some getting used to

[heavy bane]

another try another failure

[mild heath]

i only played BH, Huntsman/Merc, WS/Shade
Bardyn and Sienna aren't level 30 in like 1k hours, managed to level them to 25 tho

[summer token]

I forced myself to get sienna 30 just for the achievement to get the last one, she will probably be 30 forever now though

Iron breaker bardin is my most played by a lot, and warrior priest is my second

[static sonnet]

quick dumb question, can the Voidblast staff seconday crit?

[patent jacinth]

Yes

I can’t think of anything that can’t crit besides DoT

[static sonnet]

hell yeah

alrighty

[patent jacinth]

It can’t proc surge if that’s what you are wondering

[nocturne dust]

smite?

[patent jacinth]

Oh that can’t crit?

Neat

[nocturne dust]

I've heard that.

Never tested it myself.

[patent jacinth]

I feel like it would be really easy if you just run min talents and look at damage

[nocturne dust]

It would but I'm lazy

[patent jacinth]

Real

[frozen whale]

Assail gunker

what we got

[plucky flax]

Smite can't crit

[flint pawn]

Smite can crit if you pray to the emperor hard enough

obviously no one has prayed hard enough

[solar nest]

Imagine crit on smite lol

Redit would burn

[spice veldt]

brain burst wink wink

[solar nest]

Are the zealots the worst psyker enemies at darktide?

[radiant frigate]

explain

[rigid sky]

I think brain burst can crit but doesn't get any bonus damage maybe?

[radiant frigate]

negative

else it would consume true aim stacks, no?

[fallen spindle]

Is it just me or the assult "class" feels SOOOOOOOO weak at high level missions?

[upper sun]

pretty sure BB cant crit

[sour nest]

"assault class"?

[fallen spindle]

Like the

The...

The psyker thing that you throw things at homeless people

10 times you can do that

And then it reloads

Its like a gun

But it always hits

[sour nest]

Ah, you mean assail

[echo kettle]

Assail hahahahaa

[sour nest]

That is an S+ Tier description lmao

[fallen spindle]

Mb, in my country its called assult

[sour nest]

It's still good at higher levels, you just need more than one hit on most targets unless you spec you build for certain breakpoints. It's just not as braindead as on lower levels

And you can't solely rely on it for the entire mission because you will run out

[upper sun]

@zinc phoenix https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/4/1/419e797f9004ee3c1cbc5870cbef78f64933f83d.png
this u?

[near wyvern]

That thermal resistance is nice

[upper sun]

apparently thats the unironic breakpoint for thermal resistance

[potent echo]

69

[radiant frigate]

what if you get a weapon with 69 in everything

how long would that take to roll

[upper sun]

can you ask me again in ~3 weeks?

[wind spruce]

To answer your question, it's not only you who thinks that when they hit higher difficulties, but assault (assail) is ridiculously strong even on auric maelstrom

[upper sun]

(I have a probability exam)

assuming a fair brunt lottery
heh thats where you fail kiddo

[summer prairie]

do you even get that high base ratings from Brunt anymore? You might have to roll a lower one and hope upgrading doesn't break the balance

[radiant frigate]

what does that even help with

[zinc phoenix]

Miss on the charge rate 😞

[radiant frigate]

even with 60% thermal resist one tick of venting allows for two shots

[zinc phoenix]

I have a 68/72 after spending 20 million rolling for it

[radiant frigate]

i think this 69% thermal resistance breakpoint is pure propaganda

[zinc phoenix]

Well I wants it

[radiant frigate]

do you vent down to zero

[zinc phoenix]

It doesn’t matter I wants it 😞

[upper sun]

no idea

i dont use peeguns

i think they said something about number of shots before overheating

[radiant frigate]

sure maybe you go from 6 to 7

but like

why bother for a breakpoint that only matters when continuously shooting from zero when some blessings are warp nexus but 50% and warp rider

maxing out blaze away i guess

idk

what even is the use case

chainblasting bosses?

[upper sun]

i thought it was 5 shots max until 69

so nice that here we can ping the people who write guides instead of reading them

PAAAAATH

[potent echo]

I can ping check veteran guide in the pins

[fallen spindle]

What is the best weapon for psyker?

Meele and ranged, Assail build

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d566f85-b5f9-4c49-b4c7-9c2bcccc6c83 I run this

The mk2 ds is underrated imo

Really nice all purpose weapon

This is easily my favorite build to play rn. You have answers to every situation, you move super fast and you’re just survivable enough to sustain a fuckup or two

DD also lets you see baddies around corners or behind cover which has come in handy surprisingly often

[ornate hamlet]

@glacial cairn (the ones that aren't shown are just the 3 purple ones down the middle)

i did this by instinct so it probably sucks donkey ass

wait should i screenshot the full build thingy instead..

[upper sun]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39d463-1cc1-4b31-a1e6-6656dbc7f336/firepilled-blazemaxxing-pogchamp

I use this for purge

quietude is better than warp exp

no psykinitics aura is not a good idea

unlucky for some is legit a troll talent

creeping flames

middle upgrade for EP is ass

[upper sun]

wait this is for voidstrike not purge?

[ornate hamlet]

this staff whatever its called

[ornate hamlet]

idk what that is

[ornate hamlet]

idk what that is

[ornate hamlet]

still don't know what that is

[upper sun]

if you hover over the talents you can see their names

[latent mauve]

Foreign concept…

[zinc phoenix]

i regret to inform you that this sucks donkey ass

[ornate hamlet]

i know lmao

[zinc phoenix]

you have picked many of the worst options and skipped some of the best

[ornate hamlet]

bwuhh

[zinc phoenix]

not taking creeping flame on shriek is just

[ornate hamlet]

where's psykinetic aura

[upper sun]

next to wildfire

[ornate hamlet]

we don't have another toughness source

[upper sun]

theyre the top 4 talents

soulstealer
quietude
mettle
and warp expend(worst one)

[ornate hamlet]

i mean to my team

[zinc phoenix]

my only issue with this is that youve sinned against emprah by going empower instead of warp charges for a build about spamming shriek

youve also boosted BB for god knows what reason

unholy

unholy

[upper sun]

😭 i dont wanna hold down rmb 24/7 i wanna switch to BB more often

[zinc phoenix]

psyker is not a loving and caring class

it is a balls out killdozer class

[upper sun]

this only works when someone goes down

[zinc phoenix]

you help your team by murdering everything so fast that they whine about not getting to play the game

[ornate hamlet]

now what

[upper sun]

you're using electricity staff right?

[ornate hamlet]

i can do that either way smh

[ornate hamlet]

wait should i get seer's presence

[upper sun]

sec

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d568478-8a3a-4b1d-b76d-8c982eddb6d1
this
oor this

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4d4b46-bdd9-4ee2-8024-ba7a9752522e/surge-psyker-6

one uses smite one uses assail

[zinc phoenix]

That second one is ass

Like why would you take the six wc trait when you don’t have a wc gain trait?

Why would you go melee with ER?

[upper sun]

fun

ITS FUN

[sour nest]

Fun is not allowed

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie 855k in 23 mins no cd reduction no disablers train modifiers.

Could have been higher if I played with KF.

[summer prairie]

nice

good shout map

[plucky flax]

Team lacked horde clear pretty bad so my creeping flames were doing huge.

[summer prairie]

that guy had a flamer and barely used it

[plucky flax]

Yeah I actually didn't see flamer once.

I saw the bolter guy shot a lot though.

[cloud lichen]

hey guys was curious what are the kinds of builds that go scriers gaze

the blits it self looks dope

[teal fog]

kinetic flayer is mid

[austere warren]

Vraks mkwhatever Infantry autogun (the compact one), duelling sword, revolver, probably voidstrike staff (never tried it), vigilant autoguns, recon lasguns, maybe braced autoguns idk

[cloud lichen]

so its mainly for gunkers?

[austere warren]

Combat knives too. I never tried tactical axes but they're an easy weakspot weapon to rack up stacks in melee.

[cloud lichen]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a6affc6-44b4-447b-8bde-31d58e5816c4/psycho-gun-psyker saw this

games lantern

was thinking if its good to follow

[austere warren]

I've never tried it with force weapons but I can see a deimos with slaughter and deflector doing well.

[summer prairie]

warp unbound gunker

even with illisi special very questionable

[cloud lichen]

also quick question about curious currently running 1 stam 1 hp 1 toughness and perks are 3 tougness toughnes regen 2 gunner resist and 1 stam regen

[austere warren]

If you have that sword ready go for it. I see what they're going for and that should work fine

[nocturne dust]

Yes, scrier's surge voidstrike is a thing

[austere warren]

I'm in there, i knew it.

[cloud lichen]

should i swap out some of the flat toughness for hp or is that set up good enough

[summer prairie]

especially since he also has melee weakspot kills quell

[cloud lichen]

dope yeah i have the sword leveled just dont have the gun leveled yet

[summer prairie]

"Push attack spam can knock elites on their asses (and applies Uncanny on its own!). Warp Unbound helps prevent overheating from push attacks."

uhuh

[austere warren]

Mmhm.

You'll be exploiting the empowered slash to just butter through heads from hordes and likely build scrier stacks very quickly. Which is good for your ramp.

[summer prairie]

he takes warp unbound for forcesword push attacks

[radiant frigate]

what about assail

[cloud lichen]

dope simmilar to what im doing right now with my elektro build if mobs get to close that thing shreds feels like it has brutal momentum or something

[summer prairie]

This build has brainburst

[plucky flax]

I like it :c

[radiant frigate]

whar

what the fuck-fuck

oh jesus what is that build

[teal fog]

it works on poxbursters though

[plucky flax]

Just use my build

[radiant frigate]

HUH

[austere warren]

Psyker power sword activity. ⚡

[plucky flax]

I kill it from far away

[teal fog]

i like to left click with my staff to push them

[plucky flax]

You can still do it too

[cloud lichen]

sure where can i find it

[plucky flax]

Burga range is further than explosion range

[plucky flax]

You can use other melee or gun
https://youtu.be/p7BNyAtCrrc

Recon is really strong though

Recon mk12

[zinc phoenix]

This is what I run with SG https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d566f85-b5f9-4c49-b4c7-9c2bcccc6c83

[zinc phoenix]

This is also good and fun to play

[cloud lichen]

dope thanks for the build recos guys

[fossil lagoon]

siblings ....

it's confirmed

[fallen spindle]

No way.

[queen fog]

those reapers wont know what hit em

https://tenor.com/view/ratling-guns-total-war-warhammer-skaven-warhammer-total-war-gif-15796051

[upper sun]

why are ur screenshots so high res

do you play on an 8k monitor

[fossil lagoon]

just 1080p

[split lance]

[fallow yacht]

Can someone link me melee weapon combo guide? Can't find it, but I remember looking at it few weeks ago when figuring out force swords...

[plucky flax]

Deimos swag

The scream of the zealot lmao

Overreacting Xd

[summer prairie]

and some people claim deimos charge isn't worth using

[plucky flax]

I use it on muties more than heavy 2.

I only use light heavy for crusher pretty much.

[solar nest]

can smite make you blowout?

cause when i use smite he make the peril go down by itself, the staf it's a diferent scenario and i just blowout when i reach 100% and i use it

[radiant frigate]

smite has go-boom-protection i think

[orchid ibex]

between blazing trauma and rending trauma, which feels better for damnation pugs? what do you all think?

[radiant frigate]

trauma very weak needs buff pls

especially blaze trauma

very low damage

[nocturne dust]

blazing

[orchid ibex]

thanks

[rigid sky]

I mean as far as feel goes, blazing trauma has most other weapons in the game beat imo lol

I feel like the brittleness debuff is hardly worth it atm

[nocturne dust]

Blazing trauma loses to the other staves excluding voidstrike in terms of dps

It is the safest one though

[orchid ibex]

my favorite staves are also the worst

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike enjoyer

[orchid ibex]

yeah, i love voidstrike/blast

[haughty star]

Surge LMB is where it's at

[orchid ibex]

i've refused to participate in the surge lmb just because it's silly

[haughty star]

Its hilarious lol

[nocturne dust]

no

[haughty star]

Peak gameplay

[orchid ibex]

i'm also not really able to pull off the quell cancel abuse necessary

[haughty star]

Just macro it

[nocturne dust]

no

[orchid ibex]

oh god, lmao

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

.03 delay on lmb and .04 delay on r makes a perfect quell cancel

Or so I've been told

[buoyant maple]

Staff m1 spam is cringe

[orchid ibex]

thanks, i'll probably pass on that though. i don't hate playing darktide yet.

[haughty star]

And have totally not been abusing

[haughty star]

Its op as hell lol

[buoyant maple]

Yea ik

I just leave if I see psyker with surge on EK staff in pre-game lobby

Not worth playing with

[haughty star]

They probably don't need ya anyway lol

[buoyant maple]

Yea that’s fine

They can play what they want

Surge EK m1 spam is probably the highest damage build in the game rn?

[haughty star]

I do smite and shriek with it to make it turbo cancer

[buoyant maple]

Beats almost everything by like 3x as much lol

It’s crazy

[nocturne dust]

and?

[haughty star]

Dd is nice but not necessary. I run warp charges with er to make it more spammable

Machine gun psyker

Also if you set up the aforementioned macro it works for spamming l1 on deimos lmao

[orchid ibex]

aside from the electro lmb thing, what are the strongest of the staves now? probably the blaze away inferno right?

[nocturne dust]

electro rmb

purg is 2nd

[orchid ibex]

haha

i actually know nothing about rmb electro, i guess i should try

[nocturne dust]

It's pretty difficult to get the proper breakpoints and everything aligned compared to the other staves

very finicky, but once you get it, it outdamages basically anything

[haughty star]

I would not call electro rmb the strongest by any means, it's the best for elite and specialist downing but there is much higher dps to be found in the other two that aren't void

[orchid ibex]

is the dump crit still?

[nocturne dust]

Well yes, but actually no

[nocturne dust]

never was

Warp res is the dump

[orchid ibex]

ah ok

i think i got that from the atheneum a while back or something

[nocturne dust]

The thing about electro is that most of its damage is through shriek + stupid amounts of PC (and wildfire), so technically the staff isn't doing the damage

[haughty star]

According to the atheneum you're wrong

[buoyant maple]

What’s the build for it

[haughty star]

Crit is and has been the dump lol

[nocturne dust]

And?

[haughty star]

It does much less than you think

[nocturne dust]

Atheneum is wrong and if you trust it as the end-all, be-all, I have news for you

[nocturne dust]

It gives crit chance

[orchid ibex]

if you're running shriek especially warp res makes sense

[nocturne dust]

not an insignificant amount either, from 60 to 80 is almost 5%

and ER exists now too

[haughty star]

Crit chance has diminishing returns and any build/staves should already have enough to keep mettle rolling

[nocturne dust]

[buoyant maple]

What exactly is “crit chance diminishing returns”

[nocturne dust]

You're not running crit chance just for mettle/perfect timing

[upper sun]

moba mechanic

[orchid ibex]

@nocturne dust do you run flurry/nexus on that one?

[buoyant maple]

Because if u mean it like going from 5% to 10% is “crit twice as much” but going from 10% to 15% is only “crit half as much”

But like

[upper sun]

shit like league gimped you from having more than 85% effective crit chance

[buoyant maple]

That’s still 5% more crit chance?

[haughty star]

Yes but stop feeding people your opinions as fact please especially when they don't allign with what most will say

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but to note flurry is currently bugged and slows casting animation (but still speeds up charge speed)

[nocturne dust]

Bruh 💀

You think the Atheneum isn't the same?

'most', lmao guide was written by one guy

[haughty star]

Lol

And you're just one guy

That spouts controversial opinion as fact

[nocturne dust]

True, but I know other people who would agree with me

like @plucky flax

[nocturne dust]

You consider it controversial only because you disagree with it.

[orchid ibex]

if i want to meme, does KF proc on soulblaze at all?

[nocturne dust]

no

[haughty star]

The guy that refers to himself in 3rd person cuz he has like 4 followers on youtube?

[nocturne dust]

but KF is actually not bad on electro

it can proc early

[radiant frigate]

where exactly is the DR

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, appeals to popularity and authority. Get outta here with your logical fallacies.

[haughty star]

Get outta here with your falsified facts lol

[buoyant maple]

I don’t agree with the “crit chance diminishing returns” take

[nocturne dust]

Show me one false fact

[haughty star]

That crit chance isn't and hasn't been the dump stat

[nocturne dust]

Crit chance has only ever been the dump according to pygex

[haughty star]

Its literally always been accepted as the dump stat for surge lol

To most of the community

[nocturne dust]

who is one player, and lots of psykers have always disagreed with that

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, no

Bruh 💀

[haughty star]

Yes and you're just one guy who doesn't have a guide that's pinned here

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, you get the guide pinned by asking the mods

[buoyant maple]

You can word it and make it sound like 5% crit chance increasingly does less relative to the total crit chance, but it still changes your overall crit rate accordingly by 5%

[nocturne dust]

and besides, the guide is good

it just isn't perfect

[haughty star]

@near wyvern has pretty much mathed literally everything out in there and adapted it as the game changes lol

Soon as you do that

You can say the guide is wrong

[nocturne dust]

I would genuinely like to see that.

[plucky flax]

[haughty star]

Until then, you're just a dude with controversial opinions

[summer prairie]

it has always been contentious here, it has been mostly his position

[nocturne dust]

If you think they've mathed literally everything, man are you naive.

[haughty star]

I don't think you've mathed shit

[plucky flax]

No no we must follow Pygex's guide or we die.

[haughty star]

They however have posted many guides and experiments

[nocturne dust]

No no, it's fine. The obviously-good stat that increases your crit chance by a whole perk is obviously the dump over the warp resistance you can get easily in the talent tree anyway.

[summer prairie]

keep following it then, it's fine

[orchid ibex]

i would imagine things are different now as well with ER being an option to make warp res a more attractive dump stat in general on a lot

[upper sun]

um aktually guides are a starting point 🤓 you should do what fits your enjoyment and playstyle 🤓 🤓

[summer prairie]

just don't come ask here and then get angry when we disagree with the suggestions in it

[plucky flax]

[radiant frigate]

i still don't get why everyone recommends ER

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, if you think the Atheneum is a bible, use it.

[nocturne dust]

Less quell good

[haughty star]

I didn't ask shit. I was just pointing out that his opinions that he was stating as fact are objectively wrong

[nocturne dust]

I already explained this 😭

[radiant frigate]

less quell good unless you like having toughness

[nocturne dust]

Don't get hit

[orchid ibex]

@radiant frigate more shooting, less quelling. but yes i die instantly too

[haughty star]

Less survivability, more time to proc wr, etc

[nocturne dust]

DPSmaxxing is the psyker way

[haughty star]

It doesn't come without sacrifice

[summer prairie]

fine it was the other guy

[radiant frigate]

am i supposed to dematerialize every time a bullet flies in my general direction

[plucky flax]

Or just play better and stop losing toughness.

[nocturne dust]

I guarantee your bible will say ER is fantastic when it gets updated

or I will lose all faith in pygex, one or the other

[vernal frost]

what's er

[nocturne dust]

empyric resolve

[vernal frost]

whats that

[nocturne dust]

a talent

[orchid ibex]

i actually do have mixed feelings about ER just out of personal build philosophy. i don't like sacrificing survivability if i can help it, but man that peril resistance buff is huge.

[vernal frost]

no shit...

[orchid ibex]

bottom left side, "empyric resolve"

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

Empirical resolve isn't a do all be all. In my testing I didn't find it worth having to grab extra survivability perks because usually I just get by on soulstealer and the one from crit chance

[nocturne dust]

It can be dangerous, but it's a must-pick on auric for every staff except purg.

[haughty star]

Except it's not lol

[nocturne dust]

My opinion of course

and technically speaking, you can get by with almost anything

but for maximum meta, it really is

[vernal frost]

gameslantern doesnt load for me, is it the shitty peril gain node?

[haughty star]

Yes

[vernal frost]

oh fuck that lol

why would you ever pick it

[nocturne dust]

-40% peril gen, -30% toughness gen

[nocturne dust]

Because it's great

[haughty star]

Just quell better bro

[sour nest]

Less peril = more damage output

[plucky flax]

DPSmaxxing with ER btw in 23 mins.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1299730911516164106/image.png?ex=671e443d&is=671cf2bd&hm=76749ca58c6e9e5b1efee7f19b6af09b7255312f7e79ae2743046d758f79a4ea&

[nocturne dust]

[vernal frost]

worse toughness gain from talents + worse toughness gain from er

worse damage from shit like warp rider

[nocturne dust]

[summer prairie]

ER definitely trades survivability for some dps, run it if you don't need the toughness and want numbers go up

[nocturne dust]

It's not worse damage

Edge better bro

[haughty star]

And never vent?

yaokay.jpg

[plucky flax]

Wut?

[nocturne dust]

lmao, you can regenerate that peril easily

[plucky flax]

[haughty star]

It takes seconds to get enough surges off to proc the goods again with er. It takes me a fraction of a second to shed 10 percent peril

[nocturne dust]

If you think a tiny bit of warp rider for a few seconds is better than the minutes of quelling you have to do over a match, you do you.

[haughty star]

Bad perk

[nocturne dust]

Uh huh

[haughty star]

Subjectively good

[vernal frost]

idk what i just typed out lmao

[nocturne dust]

I hope you know I will absolutely be throwing it in your face if Pygex says otherwise

[haughty star]

And you'll still be some random dude that states his opinion as fact and never posts tests to give himself credibility

[nocturne dust]

lol, shows how much you know

[haughty star]

And Pyrex will likely actually test and post the results lol

[summer prairie]

not that the guide has tests for the relevant parts

the suggestions

[plucky flax]

Some aggressive take from an equally irrelevant dude.

[nocturne dust]

I have even posted tests here 😭

[haughty star]

And a passive aggresive statement from a wanna be youtuber that speaks of themselves in the 3rd person

[plucky flax]

[nocturne dust]

Look, it's fine if you get your opinions from a guide, but don't restate that opinion here as if you know something

[buoyant maple]

It’s a situational pick imo

[haughty star]

Side note this is one of my favorite pepes

[plucky flax]

At least I know what I'm talking about in term of 'meta' or 'high damage' builds.

[vernal frost]

did i accidentally stumble into zealot chat

what's with all the aggression

[plucky flax]

So top 1% is actually real.

Even random redditor said I am good psyker. Xd

[haughty star]

Not doubting that anyone's good or not. I just think ER is a incredibly subjective pick

[nocturne dust]

Only through skill level, imo. You have to be good at not getting hit with Psyker anyway, so the toughness gen doesn't really hurt if you're good, and so it largely amounts to just free damage. You can prefer not to have it and be skilled, but that is just a preference.

[sour nest]

Random redditors. The most credible source for praise

[plucky flax]

Good enough for me.

[nocturne dust]

I am in the top 100% of psykers I know because I mathed it.

[summer prairie]

I wouldn't recommend ER to anyone who isn't specifically asking for highest damage builds

and even then it's not that big a difference

[sour nest]

You're the bestest to ever do it!
Maybe random discord dude praise helps

[plucky flax]

Or random youtube comments they have same value as random reddit comments.

[haughty star]

Lol yes here we go with the every match goes perfectly and if it doesn't for you then you're bad lol

[plucky flax]

[nocturne dust]

Eh, I find it makes a pretty big difference.

[verbal thistle]

Agentchaos saves the day again, idk what happened I just got here

[plucky flax]

Thank you based gigachad.

[nocturne dust]

No, but if a match goes poorly you won't get the chance to regenerate toughness.

[buoyant maple]

I mean it like
Out of the 5~6 top psyker ranged weapons
Voidstrike doesn’t care
Guns don’t care
Inferno doesn’t care
EK can care, which usually comes down to ur positioning & ability to not get hit
Voidblast can care

[summer prairie]

it's like one tick of additional quelling with surge if you aren't running it

[buoyant maple]

That’s about it?

And EP smite cares

That’s like

[nocturne dust]

EK, voidblast, and voidstrike all do care?

[vernal frost]

ek with ball spam doesnt for sure

[plucky flax]

Some of us (not me) debating whether ER gud or not.

[vernal frost]

cause the no explode talent with gaze

[buoyant maple]

Might just be me but I don’t bother with ER on Voidstrike cuz I play scrier’s + transfer peril

[upper sun]

wowowowowowowowoow i actively try to boost ur engagement

[nocturne dust]

ah, true, EK lmb spam doesn't care

but uh

if you use that I think you're dumb

[haughty star]

Ek ballspam meta

[nocturne dust]

lol, that would be why, you remove transfer peril and pick up nexus

[buoyant maple]

Even with nexus I don’t think I’d go for ER tbh

[nocturne dust]

wild but whatever works

[vernal frost]

funny hearing that from someone talking bout maximum meta

[nocturne dust]

?

I'm not saying you can't play the way you want

Do what you like

[orchid ibex]

personally, the thing that keeps ER from going from good perk to great perk, is that single pox walker behind me at all times

[haughty star]

My main thing is quellong literally takes fraction of a second when you're edging if your skilled. Any phase where you lose peril with surge ie venting, moving from area to area, etc you have to actively work to reg3n that peril and it takes seconds on surge with er

[plucky flax]

1 guy enjoyed it that's good enough for me. It doesn't anyone anything just spreading the love.

[vernal frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627034802574589958/1299746539064791090/snaplytics.io_gif4-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but quelling also happens a ton over the course of a match is the thing, so it adds up.

[summer prairie]

it's not that tough to calculate the dps loss from having to quell more

[buoyant maple]

When did y’all move the topic from EK’s “crit bonus” to whether or not ER is meta

[nocturne dust]

And on auric, the down periods are few and far between, and you can just rmb charge a lil to keep peril up if you want

[nocturne dust]

no idea

[plucky flax]

Also confirmed top 0.0001%

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[nocturne dust]

[plucky flax]

Pls no Mr. Unsanctioned.

Not the poor children.

[nocturne dust]

Mr. Unsanctioned is 10/10 psyker, their youtube comments said so

[vernal frost]

anyone who isnt playing crystalline will with 3 wounds is bad

[verbal thistle]

I'm bad

tee hee

[orchid ibex]

martyrdom psyker?

[nocturne dust]

False. Fatshark needs to buff crystalline will to make your peril explosion into an ogryn bomb, then it will be the only way to play

[vernal frost]

unchained sienna

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627034802574589958/1299746552910319708/snaplytics.io_gif5-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[patent mango]

wheres my unchained subclass in darktide

[summer prairie]

crystalline will isn't good because then you get less value out of Unlucky for some

[vernal frost]

you literally have it right here

crystalline will and 3 wound curios

[patent mango]

noooo

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-matthew-perry-chandler-bing-ross-geller-david-schwimmer-gif-15739601

[haughty star]

Because it ties in with the subject matter

You can afford WR as a dump if you're running ER

But it's for a measly 5 percent crit

[summer prairie]

WR makes no difference either way

[nocturne dust]

no, WR is still the dump either way

[vernal frost]

but if you want the top meta bestest thing then you're not gonna be running EK with ER cause you're gonna be running warp unbound???

[nocturne dust]

huh?

You run EK with shriek

I mean you can use scrier's

but ER isn't invalidating by warp unbound

[vernal frost]

my favourite youtube r

wait

wrong vid

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[vernal frost]

https://youtu.be/pv1-kDe5btU

excuse me

[haughty star]

Omf what a oof

[vernal frost]

yeah i had two lying side by side in a different server 😭

[nocturne dust]

Also, to prove my point, here is a test I once did: https://youtu.be/kbmdXadfCLk

[buoyant maple]

Why is 5% crit chance measly

I still don’t really get the “crit chance diminishing returns” argument

You still do crit 5% more

[haughty star]

Because you have ideally over 15 percent coming from the build and up to 30 percent from the staff

[nocturne dust]

30 percent
from wat

[haughty star]

From warp nexus and weapon perk

[nocturne dust]

thas 25%

[buoyant maple]

What’s the amount of lightnings can u cast between 60 and 80 warp resistors

[haughty star]

In my case surge as well

[nocturne dust]

with or without ER?

[radiant frigate]

so you say there is DR because you get crit from sources

[summer prairie]

not particularly relevant since you essentially always stay between 50-100 and mostly more like 75-100

[radiant frigate]

this makes no sense

[buoyant maple]

Number, both with & without ER

[haughty star]

I meant its just not as impactful as 20 percent warp resistance

[nocturne dust]

🤮

I'll only accept surge on EK when it works on rmb

[buoyant maple]

When I wrote plasma gun page guide I checked the specific % in thermal resist needed for max # of shots before overheat

Why does psyker not have some kind of guideline for that

[radiant frigate]

20% warp resist from what, and compared to what crit
the crit bonus stat?

is that it

[nocturne dust]

Because you wrote a guide that took months and has 100s of pages

[buoyant maple]

I mean
I’d expect that from comprehensive class guides
Ngl

[summer prairie]

because it's not relevant for psyker, but you could have something a bit different

[nocturne dust]

Ogrynomicon doesn't have that either

[buoyant maple]

Ogryns don’t have weapons that have heat-related meters

[summer prairie]

it's more important to know how many ticks you have to quell from 100 to shoot x times depending on your staff and wr

and quell stat

[buoyant maple]

And I’m just curious what’s the actual #cast difference between 60 and 80 WR

I know you can edge peril and all that

Do you get 2 more casts at 80 WR compared to 60? 1 more? How many exactly

[summer prairie]

definitely not 2

[haughty star]

20 percent resist from taking it as the dump lol

[summer prairie]

in some cases 1

[haughty star]

Id say it's alot more than one at least in partial casts

[radiant frigate]

20% warp resist is not exactly 20% warp resist

[nocturne dust]

my testing shows with ER, 60% is ~17.3% peril, 79% is ~16%

this changes with flurry tho

[haughty star]

I was referring to the damn stat lmao

[radiant frigate]

dumped

[haughty star]

Quit being facetious

[radiant frigate]

maxed

[radiant frigate]

and so am i

[haughty star]

The stat is called WARP RESIST

[vernal frost]

dumped as in 60 or as in 0

[haughty star]

that's what I was referring to

[radiant frigate]

60

actually 61 somehow

forbidden 381 base

[summer prairie]

you can see that the math doesn't support more than one additional cast ever

[buoyant maple]

Ok so
With ER, EK gets 1 more lightning cast going from 0 peril to max (6 edge with 60%, 7 edge with 80%)

[sour nest]

That's just a rounding error confirmed by fs

[vernal frost]

wrong

[radiant frigate]

so i was told

but i do not believe it

[vernal frost]

they confirmed that its something serverside

[fallen yacht]

how updated is the Psyker Atheneum guide on steam with the latest update?

[vernal frost]

and are investigating

[nocturne dust]

without ER, 60% is ~28%, 79% is ~27%

[vernal frost]

UPDATED: This is now known to not be a visual issue only. Rather, it involves different values being delivered by the backend that expected. This is being investigated. (Updated: September 27, 2024)

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/known-issue-incorrect-weapon-stats/99253

[buoyant maple]

Going by ER being x0.6 peril generation
This would put it at 28.83 at 60%, 26.67 at 80%

This doesn’t change #cast at all

Still 4 edge

[sour nest]

Incorrect Rounding of Weapon Stats

On uncommon occasions when looking at a weapon card, the total value of the potential stats distribution shown might add up to 1% higher or lower than the maximum (380).
UPDATED: A fix for this will be shipped with the next hotfix.

[nocturne dust]

Checks out #psyker-class message

[sour nest]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-51-1-5-4-patch-notes/100341
4 days ago

[nocturne dust]

[buoyant maple]

Is that with true peril mod

[vernal frost]

weird shit cause there were weapons with 382+ base

[nocturne dust]

I have perilgauge, true peril is depecrated

[vernal frost]

which directly conflicts with their statement here

[buoyant maple]

Can u test looking for #casts max before entering blow-up starting from 0% peril

[haughty star]

So in this case you're really just trading 5 percent crit chance for much easier death

[buoyant maple]

What’s “much easier death” here

[nocturne dust]

but then I have to remove flurry for consistency 😭

[haughty star]

The lessened toughness regen

[sour nest]

Probably a stat rounding up to 81 or smth idk, we'll see

[buoyant maple]

I mean
It’s only 8k dockets to swap from & back to

[vernal frost]

yeah honestly i think even they dont know for sure lol

[buoyant maple]

Do it for science

[nocturne dust]

yeah but it's annoying 😔

fiiiiiiiinnnnneeeeee

[vernal frost]

just get loadout config

https://github.com/regzo2/DT-Loadout-Config/releases/tag/0.1.9

[haughty star]

I really like how this is turning out

Group mathing

[summer prairie]

Anyone who has actually played Surge with and without ER can immediately see the difference. Try quelling from 1, 2, 3 or 4 ticks from 100 and then seeing how many casts you can do.

[buoyant maple]

With ER (x0.7 toughness gain), 80% peril gets 1 more cast
Without, no #cast difference

To me it looks like

There’s a sweet spot for warp resist

[nocturne dust]

definitely is

[buoyant maple]

Where it’s just enough for ER to get that 1 extra cast

[radiant frigate]

yes i would place this sweetspot at 60%

[buoyant maple]

It’s somewhere between 60-80%

[haughty star]

Oh would ya look at that lol

[buoyant maple]

I’m gonna guess it’s something like 69% just like plasma

[summer prairie]

the quell stat scales better from 60 to 80 than WR

[haughty star]

Yes but we're referring to crit as the potential dump

Not quell

[radiant frigate]

dump charge rate

[summer prairie]

well that's mostly just you talking about that

[radiant frigate]

surgr surge nexus

[haughty star]

And ya know

The psykaneum

[radiant frigate]

lmb time

[haughty star]

Quit being so hostile there's mathing afoot

[radiant frigate]

what would crit dump even get you

[nocturne dust]

EK 60% without ER gets 5 casts, 79% without ER gets 6 casts

[haughty star]

5 percent less crit chance

[vernal frost]

nah but charge is still useful

[summer prairie]

I've done some mathing

[vernal frost]

killing crushers and shit

[nocturne dust]

and you explode on the last cast

[radiant frigate]

that seems super not worth

[haughty star]

On a build which ideally should already have roughly 35 ish percent or more its negligible to me

But everyone has their own opinions

[buoyant maple]

You might be misunderstanding smth here cuz I’m not agreeing with u, I’m saying it’s a situation like plasma where it has a “sweet spot” for the “heat generation” stat where going above it doesn’t change its performance much therefore all remaining points are best allocated to the remaining stat (crit bonus)

[haughty star]

In a sense you are tho. That would make wr not necessarily the dump stat

It would be a split like I used to run my surge

[buoyant maple]

It wouldn’t make Crit bonus the dump stat either

It’d be a plasma gun scenario with no dump stat

Say goodbye to ur dockets

[nocturne dust]

EK 60% with ER gets 8 casts, EK 79% with ER gets 9 casts

again, exploding on the last

[summer prairie]

both exploding on the last?

[nocturne dust]

si

[buoyant maple]

Now we just gotta find out what’s the specific %warp resist where u still get max casts with ER

[haughty star]

Id just dump crit anyway personally cuz theres plenty there lol not gonna sweat over 2-3 percent crit chance

[summer prairie]

except that still wouldn't mean you would want to trade the other stat just so you can do one additional cast from 0

[nocturne dust]

you reach 100% on 8 for both btw, the timing is just different for when

[buoyant maple]

I mean
If u play EK surge m1 spam, charge rate is the clear dump

[summer prairie]

because you don't play like that

[haughty star]

Well yess

[haughty star]

Yes but if you're playing from 0 you already done fucked up

[radiant frigate]

okay so we all agree: fuck warp resist

[nocturne dust]

These are also all full RMBs using FullAuto

[haughty star]

Not at all lol

[buoyant maple]

Oh

[vernal frost]

https://tenor.com/view/bonky-i-dont-know-i-dont-understand-what-excuse-me-gif-8906580210333127586

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, the 9th one on the latter was literally just me going "welp, guess I'll die"

[radiant frigate]

you just said "if you play from 0 you fucked up" which is the only scenario where, with ER, warp resist makes ANY difference whatsoever

[haughty star]

You're not following and I'm not going to explain the whole convo to you lol

[radiant frigate]

you do not need to

[haughty star]

The original discussion was whether wr was worth dumping in taking er to circumvent

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the original discussion was whether WR was always the dump or not

and I feel confident in saying it is

[buoyant maple]

Yes and through testing we’ve found that it does barely anything for allowing more safe casts with EK

With/without ER

[summer prairie]

if there's some magic WR number that always gets you exactly one additional cast per tick quelled (from 100), that would be something. I think you already get that with ER Surge though

[haughty star]

What is the amount of casts without er with 80 percent vs the amount of casts with er at 60 percent?

[summer prairie]

but the issue with that is that if you aren't quelling exactly from 100, the amount you quell changes too so it's iffy

[nocturne dust]

also, important point

this testing is without flurry

and flurry does change how much peril is genned

[haughty star]

Because it's literally one casts imma say that's not worth the extra survivability loss whatsoever or the spool up time

[buoyant maple]

80% without ER: 4 safe
60% with ER: 8

[nocturne dust]

that's warp resist, not ER

ER is 3 extra casts

[quartz barn]

i did something scuffed

looks funny but the model is smaller xd

[vernal frost]

this whole convo is a big ad for warp unbound

[haughty star]

How about from 83 percent to explode? Like where it matters

[vernal frost]

reject thinking

[nocturne dust]

Ew, no

[summer prairie]

I'd rather always quell at least 2 ticks than one, it's a bit more efficient

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you can just go back to the time when I posted the single cast peril costs and then use that, no?

[buoyant maple]

80% no ER: 1 cast
60% with ER: 1 cast (2 if first is not full charge)

[nocturne dust]

I have things to do today other than science 😭

[buoyant maple]

Man idk I don’t think ur argument for Crit bonus dump stands

When warp resist clearly does less

[haughty star]

See that tells me personally that it's not worth the loss in toughness for five percent crit

[nocturne dust]

lmao, that is a personal thing, yeah

[summer prairie]

the first tick of quelling is slower than the second one iirc, you don't get Solidity benefit

[haughty star]

On a build that already generates ~35%

[buoyant maple]

I mean?
80% without ER: 4 safe
60% with ER: 8

[summer prairie]

or something like that

[radiant frigate]

does flurry make it less since you cast faster

[haughty star]

From 0

From edging it's literally almost 1:1

Not worth imo

[buoyant maple]

The peril build-up difference is 26.7 (80% without ER) and ~16 (60% with ER)

[haughty star]

Plus surge doesn't really do shit until you have your peril up anyway

[buoyant maple]

Let’s say you start at 50% peril

Between combat

[nocturne dust]

yes

[buoyant maple]

Staying at 50% seems reasonable?

That’s 2 casts for 80% no ER

3 for 60% with ER

Same 2 casts for 60% no ER

I don’t think ur argument stands, period

[haughty star]

Again I just don't think it's worth the tradeoffs cuz as you yourselves have just proved, the diff is pretty frikkin small

[buoyant maple]

Difference between 60% and 80% warp resist is really small yea

You get ~2.2% less peril per full-charge cast

[haughty star]

And difference between 80 percen no er and 60 percent er where it matters

For a loss in over a third of survivability

[buoyant maple]

Therefore Crit bonus, even though u can say “it’s only 5% crit chance”

At the end of the day, it’s still 5% more crit chance

[buoyant maple]

Wdym loss in survivability

[haughty star]

Running er lol

[buoyant maple]

#cast difference between 60% and 80% warp resist is 0 without ER

You don’t get more safe casts

By going 80%

Warp resist only matters when ER comes into play

And you situationally get 1 more safe cast

[haughty star]

Its not that cut and dry, what about partial casts, etc there are alot of variables where having more resist just feels better without er

[buoyant maple]

You can go test rn how many rapid-fire partial casts u can do

[radiant frigate]

then pick what makes you feel better and call it a day

[orchid ibex]

especially when talking about ER it's getting pretty subjective. the biggest thing making ER worth it or not to me is how well you can avoid damage to offset the toughness gen loss anyways.

[buoyant maple]

If the peril difference between 60% and 80% warp resist is a measly 2.2% peril that doesn’t attribute to any #cast breakpoints in vast majority of situations, I think it’s safe to call warp resist a true dump

[nocturne dust]

I almost always have lowest damage taken

[orchid ibex]

if you're like me you go "ha ha, this is great!" having a great time casting at reduced peril, then a pox walker hits me once in the back

[summer prairie]

It's not "worth it" in an objective sense. The extra damage you do isn't making the run safer and in that way compensate for the toughness regen. It's a number go up talent, but a lot of the choices are like that

[nocturne dust]

If you or a loved one has ever been hit by a teleporting poxwalker, you may be entitled to a settlement from Tzeentch.

[haughty star]

Most people do take damage in this game and it's a well known fact that without regen psyker is the glassiest char in the game. You're taking that for a potential maybe one more cast where it matters and 5 percent crit chance. Eh

Not for me but to each their own, and definitely not a objectively right perk to run

[nocturne dust]

Ah, but flurry changes things

and also this is the glass cannon class

damaging enough to not die is kinda important to psyker

[haughty star]

Yes and that's literally acceptable because it has regen

[nocturne dust]

I wholeheartedly disagree

[radiant frigate]

can we get a fifth class that is psyker but slightly tankier and more melee-y

[haughty star]

The damage output youre referring to is negligible over the toughness recovery and survivability lost

[orchid ibex]

@radiant frigate grey knight?

[nocturne dust]

Psyker 2: Melee Boogaloo

[buoyant maple]

Exe stance Boltgun veteran, ur welcome

[radiant frigate]

the desire to use magic sword is slightly outweighed by the knowledge that it kinda sucks

[plucky flax]

Dps maxxing
Taste gold magic

[nocturne dust]

It's not because Psyker either has plenty of time to regenerate toughness or is dead.

[radiant frigate]

how is that at all comparable, or melee-y

[buoyant maple]

Does the same job of “kill everything at range” with better melee

[plucky flax]

And take ammo

[orchid ibex]

i think kat wants the psyker part still

[plucky flax]

Rip team

[nocturne dust]

ew ammo

[radiant frigate]

i.. am particularly not looking for that

[nocturne dust]

ew grenades

[haughty star]

You don't need any time to regenerate toughness lmao

Thanks to psykwrs active regens

[radiant frigate]

i am looking for force greatsword and it not sucking

[haughty star]

Toughness from killing

[nocturne dust]

Now you're just being absurd

[haughty star]

Toughness from quelling

[radiant frigate]

force greatsword has very little to do with bolters

and even less with exec stance

[haughty star]

Toughness from critting. These are the things that make psyker one of the most survivable when used right

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's regen is never instant no matter how much you wish it to be, and Psyker takes enough toughness damage that you have generate quite a bit of it from every melee hit

[radiant frigate]

really only noticeable with reconlas or iag

[nocturne dust]

lmao, no, psyker isn't most survivable no matter how you might wish it

[radiant frigate]

where you can magdump for a full refresh

[orchid ibex]

i will say that for sloppier players like myself the spreadsheet gaming is nice but in reality i'm going to get hit and i can't survive a couple of bad hits when i'm running ER sometimes. it's rough. that's where the subjectivity here kind of makes the numbers a moot point unless you are just comparing very, very good players playing at their best.

[haughty star]

Sure if you neutered 30 percent of its active regen id say the same

[nocturne dust]

with or without ER

[radiant frigate]

yes but more emphasis on psykerizing improvements for yourself rather than exploding people with lightning

[orchid ibex]

@radiant frigate i wish we had some interesting biomancy options

[haughty star]

I would just like it conceded that ER is 100 percent a subjective take and not objectively better

Because it is

[radiant frigate]

granted

[nocturne dust]

No.

[radiant frigate]

i think the talent is potentially actively detrimental based on the player

[nocturne dust]

Sure

[radiant frigate]

especially with shriek

imagine trying to get up to proper peril but not being able to without specifically surge staff

not in a timely manner anyhow

[nocturne dust]

But I think a player can fairly overcome the detrimental aspect of it.

[haughty star]

I find it annoying even with surge

Than you're less tanky to boot

Lame

[broken carbon]

elden ring sucks

wdym

[radiant frigate]

and if you already float at high peril? at worst it does nothing, at best it's just -30% toughness gen, and for what?

[nocturne dust]

I literally have 0 trouble shrieking off cooldown with every staff except purg

and I over-quell

[haughty star]

I hate souls games

[radiant frigate]

elden ring sucks but not for the reason you're thinking

[fossil lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/people-who-be-desperate-for-attention-that-friend-who-keeps-lying-shut-up-attention-kamedwards-gif-10041408647564294101

[radiant frigate]

the reason is actually that by design the game just really really wants you to press L2 and that is kind of dumb

[haughty star]

I just think they're made to infuriate the player and I don't like games with those mechanics lol

[nocturne dust]

Elden Ring sucks because it's a waifu game in disguise but doesn't let me pick the rotting redhead

[bronze cloak]

whats like the go to trauma staff build for damnation ?

[haughty star]

Electrokinetic lmb is what you really want

[radiant frigate]

option 1: learn attack patterns and how to counter them with timing and stuff and things
option 2: just press l2 until mana bar empty, drink, and continue pressing l2

[haughty star]

[radiant frigate]

victory achieved

[bronze cloak]

can still lmb with trauma and i rather have cc

[haughty star]

You don't understand lol

[broken carbon]

i thought it was funny
also elden ring is just not very good imo

[orchid ibex]

baz keeps trying to encourage illegal maneuvers

[haughty star]

EK with macro meta

Embrace

[nocturne dust]

Mods, brain burst that lad

[haughty star]

Macros aren't illegal its accessibility

[bronze cloak]

i think it looks kinda dumb and its boring to play

[nocturne dust]

according to terms and conditions they are

[haughty star]

Its hilarious to play

[radiant frigate]

turn staff into machine gun? i think not

[bronze cloak]

anyway you use scriers with it or shriek ?

[nocturne dust]

so are mods tho

[radiant frigate]

your fingers are not meant to go faster than the mechanism of an automatic firearm

[bronze cloak]

gun psyker is prolly my fav build rn but wanna do some staff runs too

[haughty star]

You can reach the hard limit with no macro easy

I just don't want my fingeys to hurt

[radiant frigate]

friendship ended with psyker
now no one is my best friend
i have been ejected from the mourningstar

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[haughty star]

I think the way I have my macro bound it's actually just a smidgen slower than I can do it freehand