psyker-class

[haughty star]

Pc isn't really a "x if y happens" sort of deal lol

Its just free damage and insane damage at that in mixed hordes

[nocturne dust]

Eh, not on voidstrike because the ball just cleaves everything with warp splitting

The only things left alive are outside the path of the ball

[near gale]

what is PC? x.x

[haughty star]

Except for everything not in the path lol

[nocturne dust]

and you kill those with a second ball 🤷‍♂️

[haughty star]

Perilous

[near gale]

Ah

Hard for me to guess since... well... perilous is lacking in the letter c department

[haughty star]

Perilous combustion

[near gale]

Also I don't know psyker talents worth a shit

[haughty star]

Left top under soulstealer

[near gale]

Wait do I not want PC?

[haughty star]

No you want it lol

[ripe obsidian]

You do want it

[near gale]

Oh okay lol

[ripe obsidian]

Burn the world

[nocturne dust]

You always want it, the question is how much

[near gale]

This is what I have right now for my very top talents <.<

[haughty star]

Pc almost never makes sense to not take lol

[nocturne dust]

I kinda disagree with that

[ripe obsidian]

Drop battle meditation, get mettle

[nocturne dust]

On staves, sure

[haughty star]

On guns sure

On melee sure

Lol

[ripe obsidian]

And perfect timing

[haughty star]

Its just good

[near gale]

but if I lose battle meditation I lose the 15 toughness node... 😦

[nocturne dust]

It's not that good.

[ripe obsidian]

Mettle restores toughness

[near gale]

I know, I was thinking about grabbing it as well as what I have

[nocturne dust]

Without any other soulblaze it's just a smidge of extra damage

[ripe obsidian]

And perfect timing kills faster

[haughty star]

Yeah not really but everyone has preferences i g lol.

[nocturne dust]

Yes really, I tested it

[near gale]

so since I have warp nexus on my purgatus do I want this as well?

[haughty star]

Yeah and so have I lol.

You're again viewing your subjective tastes as objective

[near gale]

I have one with the warp since I have shriek

[nocturne dust]

also here's the shriek version

[ripe obsidian]

It's fine on purg. Not necessary, but nice to have when it pops

[nocturne dust]

No u

[haughty star]

You're not well known enough to do this

[nocturne dust]

Neither are you

[haughty star]

Its a pretty commonly accepted fact that pc is almost never not worth grabbing lol

[nocturne dust]

An appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy

[near gale]

I am not taking smite, idc what you try to convince me with... I am not taking it. If I have to take smite or brain burst I'm taking brain burst

[haughty star]

[nocturne dust]

Also, this is an appeal to authority which is also a logical fallacy

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

[ripe obsidian]

Smite is great when you need it

[nocturne dust]

I mean you can take either 🤷‍♂️

[ripe obsidian]

Like for a burster conga line

[near gale]

I would rather have something that can target snipers outside of my purgatus staff's range and on this build I didn't want assail

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, yeah, bb for purg

[nocturne dust]

That's a voidstrike build

[near gale]

Oh lol

[nocturne dust]

Purg don't need warp splitting, lol

[clear heath]

make the infinite cleave more infinite

infinity x2

[near gale]

Also... idk about you guys but penetration of the soul felt very lackluster... and situational for my purgatus... and even tho empyric resolve lowers toughness recovered it also makes me able to use my purgatus more. :/

[clear heath]

is that the rending node?

[near gale]

Yeah

[clear heath]

cause the rending node literally doesn't work

[near gale]

Oh lol

[nocturne dust]

PoTs does indeed suck by not working

[clear heath]

like, it's bugged

fatshark moment

[nocturne dust]

Even if it did work it would still kinda suck

[near gale]

So empyric resolve is the only one of the 2 connecting nodes to the 15 toughness node before warp siphon that works?

[nocturne dust]

vet just gets 10% rending for free

[haughty star]

Only reason to take POTS in to not take er for more survivability and faster peril spool

[clear heath]

exactly the reason i take it on purg

[haughty star]

Yeah damn them for chars having their own attributes and such

[clear heath]

because purg somewhat struggles to gen peril

[nocturne dust]

It's literally the same node but worse. It's even in a similar spot on the tree.

[near gale]

In all honesty... I would rather be able to spam my staff more. I already have enough toughness that I can work with what I have x.x

does Perfect Timing help the purgatus staff much?

[nocturne dust]

yes, very

Good, use

[ornate hamlet]

is warp resistance important ?

[patent mango]

did pots really have to work only on warp attacks

[clear heath]

it's kinda just a tax node as a consolation prize for not taking ER, so it sucking isn't that surprising
but not working at all is hilariously bad

[patent mango]

it already has a specific condition at 75%+ peril

[nocturne dust]

As a weapon stat, never

[near gale]

I changed what I have on top for my talent tree to this lol

[ornate hamlet]

alr buying that sword :3

[clear heath]

that peril requirement should be lower or it should scale or something

should also make it function

[haughty star]

I feel the same for surge. I'd rather quell and build peril faster and more than take 6 to 8 zaps to get to funny damage peril

[near gale]

I mean... fatshark would probably make it 1-10% rending... like how with assail, this, and warp unbound you can have +100% cleave assail for free for like... 10s

[patent mango]

it'd be hilarious if they made it even worse

[haughty star]

Assail needed a comeback after the uncanny nerf

(Not really)

[nocturne dust]

it do

[haughty star]

Lol no

[nocturne dust]

if only because I hate the interaction with carapce

[haughty star]

Assail is plenty strong

[nocturne dust]

Eh

[haughty star]

Can't be good at everything

[nocturne dust]

It's certainly not main weapon material

[nocturne dust]

Staves:

[haughty star]

Yeah almost like it's a blitz

[clear heath]

the real thing balancing assail is PA being on the other side of the tree

[patent mango]

i just wanna be able to take assail with the cdr talent

forgor the name

[clear heath]

psykinetic aura

[nocturne dust]

Perilous assault?

[haughty star]

Can't tell ya how many veterans I see maining grenade

[near gale]

I'm kind of tempted to drop psykinetic's aura for 1 extra talent point... and to also take seer's presence in case the 45% cdr from warp siphon doesn't feel good enough... I just don't have anywhere I really want to put that extra point, tho, if I were to

[clear heath]

it's actually just hilarious using it

[ripe obsidian]

PA is amazing.

[clear heath]

29m diameter grenades

[near gale]

I know it is

I just kind of want to test it out for a run or 2

[nocturne dust]

Perilous Assault is indeed amazing

[ripe obsidian]

My cat's been asleep on my arm for like an hour. I need to shorten words where I can.

[patent mango]

perilous assault just needs to unlock bolter usage

it'd be funny

[near gale]

Martyr's Purpose is amazing(God no, don't spread that... please... 1% cdr per 1% base health is HORRIBLE)

[nocturne dust]

Perilous Assault should let us use all weapons

Psyker with pickaxe

[patent mango]

finally 2handed psyker wep

[near gale]

Psyker with a Crucis...

Man, I would love that... since that's my prefered thammer on the zealot lol

It would suck, tho, since I wouldn't have thy wrath be swift...

[patent mango]

by this point i'd be happy with any new force melees

[nocturne dust]

I do love thammer

[patent mango]

as long as they're good...

[near gale]

My thammer on my zealots is able to 2 shot heresy monsters, with only 3 martyrdom stacks thrust and chastise hehe

[strong gulch]

@nocturne dust What's the claw dump?

[nocturne dust]

mobility of course

[near gale]

Well... and the 25% unyielding perk and 20% more unyielding talent... but I was able to 2 shot the heresy assassination boss, without a flak perk on the thammer... >:3

One of the other zealot mains was able to 2 shot the damnation assassination boss with a 25% flak perk on theirs >.>

If you can't tell... I'm kind of a zealot main... <_<'

[nocturne dust]

I could do that too if I could hit crits/weakspots

but I can't aim

which is why I play psyker

[near gale]

Well... the crucis' new heavy after activating the special makes it immensely easier to hit weakspots on monsters/elites in hordes

You no longer have to jump to hit elites in hordes

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but I always miss it entirely because it's at a weird angle

It is indeed my skill issue 😭

[near gale]

I mean I have horrible aim myself, but, for some reason that heavy is very easy for me to aim

[clear heath]

I kinda get what you mean tbh. Think i'm too used to the old swings or something

have only tried it for 1 game though

[near gale]

Man... idk about only having 172 toughness on my psyker... they aren't my zealot... they are a lot more squishy lol

[half turtle]

hmm im running like 165hp and 130 toughness on psyker, it's fine, just don't get hit by bursters lel

[clear heath]

zealots are like the easiest class to stay alive on so it'll feel pretty different

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I don't stack any defense on psyker outside of curios/the best toughness regen nodes

[near gale]

having 196 toughness and 181 health would make me feel a lot more comfortable :/

[nocturne dust]

Just don't get hit and you won't die

[half turtle]

^ this unironically

[clear heath]

i play zealot when I want to trivialize staying alive and focus on damage
and psyker when i wanna do the opposite

doing damage on psyker is braindead cause you barely need to aim

[half turtle]

haha press F

[near gale]

I mean... vt2 taught me: Any single hit could instantly kill/down you... and thus I treat every hit like that in Darktide lol

for the most part anyway

[half turtle]

in DT the first hit is free as long as you're not tanking ranged chip damage

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[half turtle]

which you can often exploit

[nocturne dust]

We love our VT2 experience

[half turtle]

it lets you kill 1-2 ragers faster in melee if you're willing to take 1 hit on shield for instance

just don't try it if you're getting shot too cuz then you'll die instantly

[near gale]

I mean even with 1928 hours in vt2 across every character and career(not counting necro, since it wasn't out then)... I still act on that paranoia instilled in me lol

idc if I was ironbreaker, zealot, battle wizard, unchained, etc... I tried to avoid every single hit I could

[half turtle]

yeah the first hit in vt2 is a lot more punishing than in DT because of how toughness works vs temp hp

[near gale]

On a side note: Axe and shield ironbreaker is pretty fun(I was taught by a true solo ironbreaker video and when I tried it... it worked for me lol)

[nocturne dust]

I was hammer and shield myself

[half turtle]

i feel like true solo ironbreaker is just spending 40 minutes on the boss unless it spawns by a ledge

unless you run the mod that reduces boss hp

[near gale]

I mean, I would have done that... but after seeing how much more effective the axe was against armor I knew that was the one

Otherwise I did dual hammers ironbreaker :/

[nocturne dust]

True, but counterpoint: shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash, shield bash

[half turtle]

peak ogryn gameplay

[near gale]

Yeah... that's how they generated nigh infinite temp hp in the true solo video with the axe and shield... heavy 1 lol

[nocturne dust]

[near gale]

And on top of that they were able to kill armored enemies fairly effectively

[nocturne dust]

I do it with hammer because you can just combo the heavies without cancelling or anything

[near gale]

iirc it was true solo cata

[nocturne dust]

but then again, I never got to cata 🤷‍♂️

[half turtle]

the ogryn slab shield feels pretty much like axe/shield to me except the bash is better and the lights are worse

[nocturne dust]

I stuck to the difficulty below it

[near gale]

I didn't do cata very often, myself

Battle Wizard was the one I could Cata on, sometimes

[half turtle]

true solo cata is like, a thing to do for sure

[primal plume]

Ive realized something about EP Smite

Its basically better than the fire staff in nearly every way

[near gale]

Watching just 8-10 minutes of the video gave me enough information to be able to pick up the weapon and use it effectively on legend in the chaos wastes

[half turtle]

i enjoy that there are true solo mods in vt2 that automatically respawn you when you die

without needing to reload the level

[nocturne dust]

Well now hold on

Purg is better damage

[half turtle]

yeah you can often get the sense for basic combos with most weapons that way

true solo optimizes different things than normal gameplay though

[flint pawn]

I don't know how true this is however counterpoint, carapace purgatus is the best thing ever and you too should be carapurg-pilled

[primal plume]

Smite isnt nearly as cumbersome as Smite

[nocturne dust]

[primal plume]

And you can have a ranged weapon to make up for smites range

[nocturne dust]

Excuse me?

Smite is smite

what you mean

[modest pasture]

maybe ive hit the blunt too hard tonight but i think the Zealot and the Psyker shoud switch back pieces;

zealot should get the Cage of Skulls and the Psyker should get the Tome.

[near gale]

I mean... you can have a blitz to make up for the range on the purgatus staff, with the purgatus staff lol

[primal plume]

Use Empowered Psionics and youll see whati mean

[nocturne dust]

I know the combo

[half turtle]

so i don't think true solo builds are optimal for normal cata, e.g. on handmaiden i'd probably take wraithwalk for true solo but the attack speed on dodge talent for normal gameplay

[nocturne dust]

what you mean by this tho

[near gale]

I tested out enhanced smite and it felt so underwhelming to me

[half turtle]

but it's pretty close if you;re not edging max dps like a sweatlord

[green musk]

merp

[primal plume]

Purge is slow and janky. Slow charge, limited cast time, gets cucked by bulwarks

[near gale]

Yeah... it killed stuff... but it took so long...

even with the +200% damage on smite...

[modest pasture]

What kinda Purge staffs have you run?! theyre not slow at all

[half turtle]

i extremely dislike that purg has so much shorter range than zealot flamer

[primal plume]

Skill issue. I top damage whenever i use it

[modest pasture]

it gets unlimited ammo

[half turtle]

EP smite is way easier to get top dps on than purg if only because it's really easy for other psykers to steal all your damage on purg

[near gale]

I mean sure, if you know how to use it then you definitely can do that lol

[nocturne dust]

Sure, yes, but I want to point out it does more damage

[near gale]

I just don't like how it feels to use

[half turtle]

oh im not saying it's too weak, it's just that my muscle memory for "in range of flamer so use flamer" is wrong

[haughty star]

In the range and area it can reach sure

[modest pasture]

i main a Purge with Brain Burst so i cover me bases

[primal plume]

Smite feels better to use. And as a result, i perform better with it, which translates to doing more damage

[half turtle]

but yeah like trauma guy will just tag the entire horde with 4 stacks of blazing spirit and suddenly your (scoreboard) dps on that horde is 0

[flint pawn]

even the loading screen is trying to encourage smite. 😭

[half turtle]

it's really annoying to track how well im doing on purg

[primal plume]

lol

[modest pasture]

thats fair, maybe my ADHD makes me not think about that

[half turtle]

tbh i think it's just a skill issue on my part and if i used it more i wouldn't have this problem

i will say it's also kinda hard to see if you're hitting the guy or not bc of how big the flame particle is

esp with enemies like gunners who don't stagger

[near gale]

Honestly I'm focused on 3 main things: Disablers, survival, and disablers

Performance comes after those

[flint pawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzrIOYKCq_g this is still the holy grail ||hey everyone I used ER on a build that likes to be at high peril, please make sure to point and laugh and shame me for this sin that I have since learned from||

[half turtle]

hm yeah but i think it's valuable to see if like, this build does half the damage to horde of the other build despite being ostensibly a horde clear build, then maybe i shouldn't run it in sweaty games

and it's just really hard to get a Real picture of this with purg

i really hate the way stack attribution works basically

[near gale]

I mean I do look at what the scoreboard says, afterwards... but I am focused specifically on surviving, not taking damage, and disablers

[crisp yacht]

Left click on purga staggers a lot.

[half turtle]

oh i meant in the context of if im holding down rmb on some dudes at medium range, im really bad at telling if tehy're in range or not (bc purg has shorter range than zealot flamer which im more used to)

[flint pawn]

wait it does?

wtf

[half turtle]

i think so??

tbf i haven't played zealot flamer for a while

so they might have nerfed it

[flint pawn]

I just about never play zealot so I wouldn't know

[clear heath]

pretty sure zealot flamer is longer yeah

[flint pawn]

something something balancing "technically infinite ammo" ?

[half turtle]

yeah probably

but like if there's 2 gunners down the hall, if they're in range the right thing to do is hold down rmb until they die, but if they're not in range i just go down like a chump trying this

and i just suck at telling if they're in range or not LOL

purg fire so blue and bright

can't see shit

[near gale]

Hm... the other psyker's staff is... it's something... :/

they are level 24 tho

[half turtle]

on the plus side 0 charge rate doesn't matter if you never charge

[flint pawn]

still need my warp ice blizzard staff

what gun do you guys prefer for gunpsyker

[thorn cedar]

laspee

recon xiv with warp splitter is also sooper fun

[haughty star]

so what is the lmb meta rn?

[haughty star]

is that the fast one?

oh plus one but for the mk12

[jovial juniper]

It's DD Electric staff with Surge and the Empyric Shock talent

[haughty star]

thank you, psyker ascendent

[haughty star]

do you bother grabbing channeled force?

or just ES

[jovial juniper]

It's optional really

[haughty star]

and then stupid question but do you go down assail and splitting or just straight down left side with either bb or smite

[prime elk]

welp another lost one

[jovial juniper]

Well you're going to try and get DD as well so Bring Assail

Unless you meet some point tax

[haughty star]

and than venting shriek or do you go with scriers and unbound?

or just kinda preferential

[jovial juniper]

Yeah like

Scrier's for more crits

Vent for horde whatever

[haughty star]

i imagine ee is probably helpful in a sense since your spamming the fuck out of it

[jovial juniper]

You got Assail for hordes though

[haughty star]

fair

[jovial juniper]

So shriek would just enable more spam

[haughty star]

with splitting yeah that's nuts

[near gale]

Well my 1st run, which I did on heresy, I did okay. I did eat 1 crusher overhead due to a poor dodge...

[haughty star]

unless i can't grab splitting. i'll try it a few diff ways

[near gale]

chasm station assassination mission, that's what it was on >.>

Haven't used the purgatus staff for a long while lol

[prime elk]

it's definitely gotten some love

[near gale]

This is what I need on my Deimos, right?

[haughty star]

neither tbh

for deimos i personally don't recommend flak. maniak and cara all the way imo

ur manianyielding

[jovial juniper]

Bro got that 50 flak fr fr

[clear heath]

what the

[near gale]

it's just a visual glitch

[haughty star]

he keeps that thang on him

[nocturne dust]

50 unyielding with thammer

[near gale]

for a grand total of +70%? Fuck yeah!

[flint pawn]

this'll show the gunners

[haughty star]

welp the points are pretty punishing with these new perks

[zinc phoenix]

smite bots drive me nuts

[prime elk]

this update has really drawn out the worst psyker players

[flint pawn]

I've had a suspicious lack of them today, I'm waiting for the match where I get 3 of them

[summer token]

I like smite because I can roleplay as the electro wizard from clash

I don't use it nearly as much as some people I've seen though

[green musk]

i hate the peril mechanic so damn much, dude

lore wise, i get it, but it fucking sucks

[flint pawn]

It takes some getting used to but it's worth the payoff

[haughty star]

you get used to it

[green musk]

i also still feel ike im doing nothing to anything. like i am getting kills, but dont feel like im helping

[flint pawn]

You're still early on in levels right?

[haughty star]

if any psyker claims they haven't hated peril at one poiint or another they're lying

[green musk]

lvl 20

[haughty star]

you just gotta get quick wit it

[flint pawn]

yeah

Psyker's a bit of a late bloomer

[haughty star]

oh yeah and underleveled staves suck literal ass

like you can get by with a shitty gun

[summer token]

I haven't blown myself up in a while, when I did though I always had to sit back and laugh because I knew I needed to stop getting peril but didn't

[green musk]

i just hate it exists

[flint pawn]

Just do not fall for the triple Wounds + Crystalline Will trap

[green musk]

like, to me, its stupid

id never put a mechanic like that in a game, ever

[flint pawn]

in this case it's a balancing mechanic

[summer token]

I blow myself up with the plasma gun a lot on vet even though I still know better than to max out the big glowing bar

[flint pawn]

have to remember that the benefit to using staves is that technically, you have infinite ammo

[green musk]

what am i balancing, my lack of everything?

[flint pawn]

When you get to higher level and are able to upgrade your weapons so that the staves actually have good stats and blessings it'll become pretty apparent why peril is a thing

[haughty star]

just pop me a friend request

we'll run some shit. discord link for vc if you want it is in my bio

[green musk]

can we just use a vc here?

[haughty star]

'drag ya through some heresy and damnation and get you through the level hike

[nocturne dust]

I love peril, always have, always will.

[summer token]

[haughty star]

i'm in with some of the bois chilling in here but you can join and just voip

[green musk]

can i get access?

[nocturne dust]

The moment I saw peril for the first time, I was blinded by its majesty. And also I got in after it was changed. I've heard bad things about its old state.

[fresh reef]

@mossy oyster the build is good

lights out monstrous maelstrom on Archivum makes me wanna cry

[flint pawn]

My worst experience with peril was pre-class update, had a guy in the match who's volume was so loud that everyone was getting ear blasted whenever he hit critical peril

[nocturne dust]

"I make sure others know the perils of the warp"

[flint pawn]

Hearing someone's character start yelling out of nowhere and just turning to look at them

Just a solid two seconds of staring at each other in understanding before kaboom

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-bob-sponge-spongebob-cry-sad-gif-25905087

[nocturne dust]

Imagine if there was a transfer peril mechanic where you could save a fellow psyker from imploding

[flint pawn]

I really want some interesting mechanics like this

Especially more with the Ogryn

[fresh reef]

3 chaos spawn, behind me

I'm crying

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/chao-chao-chao-garden-mental-gif-21742344

[jovial juniper]

We playing hot potato with this one 🗣️

[formal harness]

Beta peril was straight up cancer. My first damnation win was with 3 psykers tho xd

[flint pawn]

Still thinking of some sort of psychopath node that messes up your warp damage but dramatically buffs your explosion, makes it not do much if any damage to you but has a cooldown

actually

[formal harness]

I’d love the talent that stops you from blowing up if it also increased explosion damage

[flint pawn]

didn't Sienna have some sort of class that could use her explosion as a weapon?

[formal harness]

Imagine warp damage ups + damage multiplier from that talent or something and playing martyrdom psyker

Sounds fun imo

[prime elk]

psyker explosion should just be an ogryn nuke

[flint pawn]

this sounds like an absolute disaster and I'm here for it

[prime elk]

martyrdom psyker >>> martyrdom zealot

[formal harness]

My favourite is martyrdom veteran

Not a single good thing about stacking wounds on vet lmao

At least you can blow up multiple times with psyker

[flint pawn]

time for a really dumb idea

take martyrdom from zealot and replace FNP with it for ogryn

[formal harness]

Martyrdom ogryn

[flint pawn]

please

I need more attack speed for my ogryn

[formal harness]

If only we had a modded realm

Hmmmm

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-gif-24456870

22 seconds

[prime elk]

high skill gameplay

[jovial juniper]

I hate it

[flint pawn]

this is truly riveting pve content

carapurgatus >

wait that's both stimm and scrier's

LOL

[formal harness]

I just love smite lmao

[jovial juniper]

Without Stimm it only kills the bulwark

[formal harness]

I do understand why people don’t like it but me personally, I love the emperor palpatine vibe together with surge staff

[flint pawn]

😭

[nocturne dust]

It turns out opinions can be objectively wrong.

[formal harness]

Lmao

I also use m1 psyker for fun

[flint pawn]

It is cool and pretty

[formal harness]

WITH SMITE

[flint pawn]

but also after one match of using it it makes me want to play a different game

[jovial juniper]

Like red stimm legit added a thousand damage against carapace

[formal harness]

Best of both cancer worlds

[prime elk]

suddenly it all checks out

[flint pawn]

all this to tie with carapurg without stimm

[formal harness]

Fun for me, not for my teammates

[jovial juniper]

More reason to rework smite

[formal harness]

For real tho, if the m1 psyker smite build survives the next patch

[nocturne dust]

You can have fun the way you want and that's fair and fine.

[flint pawn]

I wish smite was more like, sending out waves of chain lightning that were better about killing hordes but also weren't high enough single target damage on the important targets to invalidate surge staff

and also not just y'know

holding them there

for 8 hours

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-wendy-peter-pan-smile-gif-16690929

[flint pawn]

but the problem is

congrats

electric assail

[formal harness]

As long as you are not cheating it is fair game imo. I just like playing it as it is just strong and I do good dps. Green circles baby

[patent mango]

man this thing is so sad

[formal harness]

The main problem with smite rn is you can basically use it infinitely. If it was punishing your peril way more and not interact with the scriers gaze bs it would be balanced imo

[nocturne dust]

Not really

ER didn't always exist

[formal harness]

As I said bro

[nocturne dust]

EP smite was still a thing before it

[formal harness]

Problem is you can hold it for so long

Not just scriers

If it was max 5 seconds or so before you cap peril it would be pretty balanced

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you'd be invalidating the whole point of EP which is trying to make smite do some damage

[formal harness]

Then rework ep

Make it chain to more enemies instead of damaging them

[nocturne dust]

This is the case though

You only get like 5 seconds with no peril gen reduction

[formal harness]

It should be like that with peril reduction builds

So base smite should be peril costly

[nocturne dust]

So you're forced into peril gen reduction?

No, that doesn't really fix smite's problems and kinda just hits it with a hammer

I don't think that would make anyone happy, from the smite enjoyers to the smite haters. It'd kinda just be a dead ability used only for preference to the detriment of the team, like brain burst largely is.

[formal harness]

I can’t say I can agree

If you make it more fluent to swap in and out of smite

And use it as a short term mass wave holding tool it might work as a cc tool without being busted

[nocturne dust]

Well now you're doing more than just making it generate more peril which is expanding beyond the original scope

[formal harness]

Fixing the peril cost should be the first step

[patent mango]

replace smite with molten beam

[nocturne dust]

They could just do the whole plan at once rather than give us a broken ability for the 6+ months it'll take for step 2

[formal harness]

They could

But this is fatshark

[nocturne dust]

They did the talent tree rework, they can do this.

[formal harness]

The problem is it takes time

For fatshark to do reworks like that

The modt basic bandaid fix is increasing the peril cost imo

Until it gets reworked

[nocturne dust]

That's a really bad bandaid fix

Sometimes it's better to leave things alone until you can fix them properly

[formal harness]

But leaving it alone is causing problems as you can see

[nocturne dust]

The bandaid would cause bigger problems

and it's not really a problem

Yes it's strong, but only because of its simplicity

It doesn't really out-compete skilled players

[formal harness]

Stop the interaction with scriers gaze talent and make smite cost more peril. This little fix would be more than enough until a rework hits imo

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's isn't even the problem

Like, stunning enemies for a stupid amount of time is... fine? There are bigger balance concerns.

[patent mango]

ds zealot jumpscare

[formal harness]

The problem is stunning and damsging them for that long is not healthy, and I don’t think reducing the damage is the way to go here

Scriers is not the main problem but it’s a big spam enabler

[nocturne dust]

It's not unhealthy.

People don't do that on auric for a reason.

[formal harness]

It is extremely unhealthy

[patent mango]

smite is too much cc imo when building into it

[formal harness]

And it’s a resl problem when you can hold an ability like smite for that long

[nocturne dust]

How is it a problem?

[formal harness]

1- turns smite from a cc tool to a wave clear and mass murder tool.
2- you can trivialize most elites and special mechanics making the game imcredibly boring for your teammates
3- invalidates all talents that rely on dodging for your teammates causing big issues

All of this can also be done with smart usage of warp siphon and venting shriek, so not exactly a scriers gaze only problem

As I said the problem is the cc duration being too long

[spice veldt]

a single player having the ability to halt a large group of enemy is problematic, much less in a coop game

stuns are very annoying to balance in coop games for good reason

[ripe obsidian]

Stunning enemies for a stupid period of time assumes your team will kill them. This is not always the case.

I had a HISTG train earlier where my team killed zero (0) of the like 20 ragers and shotgunners while I was smiting them

[patent mango]

talking about smite can they also fix charged strike

[spice veldt]

and it's not like they're doing something wacky to achieve long stuns

the long stuns is the consequence of using smite normally

[nocturne dust]

1. that's every meta way to play right now, there's nothing wrong with murder
2. Bubble trivializes a lot of threats too. There's a reason you don't see smite much on auric even in pubs, and it isn't that it's so OP that it's boring. It's because it's really easy to just get tapped in the back and you don't have a huge amount of options while smiting.
3. No? There are other ways to stun enemies to death, and you'll invalidate dodge talents no matter what. But, you don't really need dodge talents if the enemies are not trying to kill you.

[spice veldt]

but you have to admit that smite does it on a large scale, for a consistent amount of time, with high uptime

[nocturne dust]

The issue with smite is a player issue. If someone is smiting all the time, they're probably playing poorly.

[green musk]

new prosonal rule, im not joining peoples servers ever again.

[spice veldt]

it's not particularly fun when a single player on your team gets to just turn off enemies every fight

[patent mango]

clearly give smite cd

[spice veldt]

bubble trivializes threats but it's not working against every non-boss enemy

and is on some cooldown that i forget that's higher than 30 seconds, and has a minimum duration of 6 seconds if it's getting annihilated by gunners

there are enough differences that trying to equate them are dishonest

[nocturne dust]

sure, but any ranged enemy can be outside of smite's range

[patent mango]

why couldnt assail be in the middle at least

[spice veldt]

yeah, and the majority of "important" engagements happen close to you

[nocturne dust]

and even worse, smite has a cap and will sometimes just miss enemies close to you

[spice veldt]

no one cares about (most) ranged enemies far away because they have inaccuracy AND damage falloff

yes smite has a cap

[nocturne dust]

Snipers.

[spice veldt]

the point is that the cap is VERY high

yes

i wonder what that (most) qualifier is for

really makes you think

[nocturne dust]

and even without snipers, you'll still die if you try to smite for a bit under any shooter

[spice veldt]

yes there are situations where smite doesn't fit

i'm not saying it's some global do EVERYTHING

but I'm saying that the amount of stuns it has is stupid

let's not change the argument here

[ripe obsidian]

Smite has its place in Auric. I do agree that it's a little boring when someone just spams Smite every single fight. But using it has saved me and/or my team from Crusher patrols, poxwalker congas, hound charges, etc.

[nocturne dust]

I don't disagree and that wasn't my argument though?

[spice veldt]

you keep responding as if you disagree though

[ripe obsidian]

I will say that Smite seems to be a crutch for Psykers not quite ready for Auric

[spice veldt]

it's not my fault that I read your statements as disagreements when you post a contrary point everytime I say something

[nocturne dust]

So do you

[spice veldt]

because I do actually disagree?

[patent mango]

i kinda just wish there was something more fun at the middle of blitzes

[spice veldt]

like, you're saying you don't disagree

i haven't said that

and I DO disagree

[patent mango]

its the best spot with the most boring blitz (visuals are nice though)

[spice veldt]

i'm not held to the same standard as you by your own admission and by my own admission

[nocturne dust]

so you think smite is a solve-all, because that was my point that it wasn't?

[spice veldt]

this is what I disagree with

[spice veldt]

well more specifically this

I do not think that it is fine

[nocturne dust]

Okay, let me qualify: it's not anymore unhealthy than the numerous other meta ways to play in the game. How unhealthy those are is a matter of debate I don't want to get into.

[formal harness]

I kinda find it funny that you don’t see the problem here with the smite.
Smite is the equivalent of a stun grenade for zealot, a cc tool. It should not be mass murdering everything, and the only reason it does is because you can hold it for so long doing damage during and coupled with effects like soulblaze achieve mass murder. That is a no no. An ability meant for mass cc should not also do mass murder.

Bubble is an ability. You are comparing a blitz to an ability. An ultimate, and you get a cooldown after using it (40 seconds.) It doesn’t stop melee attackers from getting to you, or invalidate specials fully as bursters muties and dogs still ignore shield. (Except mutie slamming into it as a bug but thats besides the point)

The reason why you don’t see smite so often is because if a good player is using it game gets instantly trivialized, so people focus on using other things and I don’t blame them.

On dodge one is a lol. No stun ability comes close to invalidating dodge talent except smite.

There’s no stun or cc ability in the game that can achieve as much as smite does, and none that is so easy to use it requires no brain.

Like damn. It is problematic. Insanely problematic and it needs a bandaid fix for now honestly.

[patent mango]

every class ahs some op stuff other than ogryn tbh dear god text wall

[spice veldt]

the existence of other things being unhealthy shouldn't justify another unhealthy thing to be fine though

this is some insane status quo logic

[patent mango]

i just want smite to be more limited

[nocturne dust]

Every horde clear melee weapon stuns and kills. The crusher is renowned for its ability to stun and kill.

[spice veldt]

well, I certainly have my thoughts about melee stagger

at least the crusher is specifically designed for it (well, had its balances here and there) and does it in a much more constrained AoE than smite

[formal harness]

Crusher stun and kill is miles differnt than just lobotomizing the entire enemy wave with everything in it

It is strong, but it is nowhere as trivializing

[nocturne dust]

You would need a vast redesign of a lot of things, many of which Fatshark has specifically implemented to further reinforce the way balance currently is.

[spice veldt]

sure

[nocturne dust]

Which is another topic, whether the way Fatshark is currently designing things is healthy.

[spice veldt]

smite is a pretty clear outlier in stuns

and we can make simple changes or just design this single blitz

like, I'm specifically not wanting to talk about other stagger stuff

I'm not bringing them up myself for a reason

I'm just talking about smite alone

and constraining myself to smite alone

[formal harness]

Hence why I was proposing a simple bandaid fix until a rework arrives

[nocturne dust]

Crusher literally lobotomizes anything in front of you by spamming two buttons

[spice veldt]

it's an easier conversation to have, and it's just one thing we need to change

[nocturne dust]

Seems like a double standard to me. The only real difference is how easy smite is to use.

[patent mango]

crusher is really not that much stun

[nocturne dust]

Have you tried using it?

[spice veldt]

i'll use this statement of yours as a response #psyker-class message

[nocturne dust]

special -> heavy is all you need

[patent mango]

i mostly just use the special for bulwarks

[spice veldt]

it feels like you're trying to be devil's advocate for no reason

[nocturne dust]

Yes. And?

[patent mango]

the rest is just like ok ig

[spice veldt]

and crusher's range is very obviously much less than smite's

[nocturne dust]

And?

[spice veldt]

and it's a response to this?

what else needs to be said for what I've said to constitute an argument worthy of a fair response from you

[nocturne dust]

So you would be fine if smite was just a wall of electricity directly in front of psyker?

[spice veldt]

no?

i really don't like passive stuns

[nocturne dust]

So what are you saying?

[spice veldt]

i'm saying that i disagree with your equivalences between crusher and smite

if that wasn't already clear

[formal harness]

Bro how do you put a melee weapon that can only stun enenies currently actively fighting you in melee range in the same tier as an ability that actively murders the guys in melee together with everything in range distance, all the elites specials included without even having to move lmao

[spice veldt]

and i've already said that melee stagger should be looked at and rebalanced

[nocturne dust]

How so? What's wrong with the equivalence? They don't need to be exactly the same, the point is both things exist and if you rail against one for X reason, the other should also be railed against for you to remain consistent

[spice veldt]

yes, they don't need to exactly be the same

[nocturne dust]

if X reason holds true for both

[formal harness]

I’m actually struggling to understand, I swear

[spice veldt]

but the SCALE of their similiarities are so different that it does not warrant equivalences

not in the context of this argument, at least

the plain and simple fact of the matter is that smite has big aoe, big target cap, big uptime, and consistent uptime

[nocturne dust]

but it was not in response to you, but Hamdolsun's 'something that does CC should not also murder'

[haughty star]

this chat has been all about anti smite all night and i couldn't be happier

[spice veldt]

they brought up the stun grenade as the equivalent

[summer token]

But counterpoint,

[spice veldt]

they were obviously speaking in unclear terms

[green musk]

i could be happier

[formal harness]

Nobody is complaining about the crusher because it just lets you hold your own in melee only, people sre complaining about smite because it allows you to hold your own melee, ranged, specials and the enemies your teammates are fighting all at the same time

[spice veldt]

but i think what they meant could be inferred from the example they brought up

[patent mango]

wheres my force greatsword.....

[nocturne dust]

Okay, let's talk about the stun grenade, which sucks and nobody takes because it's only CC

[spice veldt]

what

[patent mango]

stun nade is just eepy boring too

[spice veldt]

are you even trying to have an honest conversation man

like come on

whatever

i'm out

[nocturne dust]

Wdym

I am

[haughty star]

you'll get there man. dragging you through a auric 4 was probably a bit much to take in but i was tryna power level you lol

[nocturne dust]

I do not see stun grenade

[summer token]

I didn't know there was a stun grenade in the game honestly

[nocturne dust]

I see shredders

[formal harness]

The only reason more people don’t go with stun nades is because of the ridiculous point taxxing on the top of zealot tree lol

[nocturne dust]

I see fire grenades

[green musk]

that was not the problem, at all
you need new friends, dude

[formal harness]

Not because stun grenades are bad

[nocturne dust]

Except people do take fire grenade

[patent mango]

stun nades are defo the most forgettable ones

fire nade is actually cool tho

[nocturne dust]

They are definitely kinda bad.

[summer token]

Is it vet or zealot that has them?

[patent mango]

zealot

[summer token]

Oh

[patent mango]

its the nade on the left part of the tree

[formal harness]

Now you are comparing an area denial dps tool with a stun cc one. Smite is more like an infinite fire grenade + stun grenade combined lol

[summer token]

I didn't know they had stuns and it's my second most played class

[patent mango]

lmao

[nocturne dust]

Shredder.

Like, you were the one who compared to stun first, no?

[formal harness]

Brother. Because smite is a cc tool and stun grenades are also one. They should be similar in power level. Fire grenades being better for you is kindda irrelevant here

[summer token]

I want my shift to end so I can go grind my psykers level more amd I still got 10 hours left

[formal harness]

And stun grenades are perfectly fine. If they change top zealot tree you’ll see a lot more people using stun grenades.

It should be similar to vet tree in that regards honestly

[nocturne dust]

And my point is that it's not equivalent

Stun grenades are just the blitz, smite doesn't do damage and stun forever unless you dedicate a lot of your build to it

If you go for grenade spam on Vet, that's also a viable way to stun and damage for a long time. It's not infinite like smite, but that's a whole psyker vs vet, ammo vs peril thing

[formal harness]

Brother. Smite is stun grenades but infinite.

Infinite IS the problem

[patent mango]

this is probably the most stun nades have been talked about in a while

[formal harness]

Also it kills shit because you can hold smite for so long.

[nocturne dust]

true

That's another problematic part of this: you're comparing a meta way to play to one of the worst blitzes in the game

Of course one is going to be better than the other

If anything, stun grenades should be buffed given the value in other blitzes.

[formal harness]

That is not a problematic approach, the meta way to play the fame makes the gameplay so boring and trivial people actively hate a blitz in the game. Smite need to be relatively similar to the power level of the stun grenades.

[nocturne dust]

People hate the randomest stuff.

[nocturne dust]

Bro 💀

You did not just say a blitz needs to be demoted to stun grenade level

[formal harness]

Bro, it needs to be lol

[nocturne dust]

No

[formal harness]

Stun grenades ain’t bad in the first place

[nocturne dust]

They are

Nobody uses them

Like, I don't even see pubs use them

[patent mango]

i'd rather have stun nades than smite tbh

[nocturne dust]

That's how bad they are. Pubs use boxes. Pubs use BB.

[formal harness]

I was just saying more people would use them if it was more accessible

[nocturne dust]

I don't think so.

[summer token]

But how am I supposed to role play the electro wizard without smite

[formal harness]

Left side sucks mostly for talent points

[patent mango]

ermmm more electro staff ig

[nocturne dust]

If you could freely take any blitz on zealot, it would be flame grenades or knives.

[nocturne dust]

It's really not that bad. It's better than flame grenade's ranged nonsense on the melee class.

[zinc phoenix]

Flame nade is like stun nade but instead of mildly irritating the baddies you kill them all

[nocturne dust]

And yet people take the ranged nonsense for flame nades.

[summer token]

But then I can't be a wizard with a gun (bolt pistol)

[zinc phoenix]

I have nice things to say about smoke nades but even I see no value in the stun ones 😂

[formal harness]

I’m done talking tonight. If you don’t see how a blitz that can halt the entire enemy horde wave + elite patrol + all the specials by itself while actively killing them makes the game unfun and boring for other players dunno what more to say.

Have a good night lads and ladettes

[nocturne dust]

Gunker is foolish, embrace Staffker

[patent mango]

bistol psyker is fire

can just switch to it then back to meleeing stuff

[nocturne dust]

I never said it wasn't boring. It's indeed a boring way to play. But some people like that, and I think that's fine.

[summer token]

It's my first and only ranged weapon so far to max mastery

[patent mango]

i really jst want smite to be more limited

at least have teh enemies build up stun resistance

[summer token]

Heavy evicerator is my only max melee weapon too from playing my zealot

[nocturne dust]

It would probably better enforce the proper way to use smite so people would stop being stupid with it.

[formal harness]

K bro

[zinc phoenix]

Smite kinda mid if you just hold it

[nocturne dust]

Okay but this doesn't happen

Smite doesn't do that

[summer token]

Wasn't brain burst the only skill available at the start or am I remembering wrong?

[patent mango]

yea

[formal harness]

K bro

[summer token]

It's been 2 years in my defense

[nocturne dust]

I've literally been alongside the worst of smitekers. They don't just magically turn off the game, lmao.

[zinc phoenix]

Yes BB was our thing

[fossil lagoon]

Non-competitive PvE game btw

[nocturne dust]

If you're unhappy, just run ahead of them

[zinc phoenix]

It was not a good thing

[patent mango]

when does psyker get iron arm

[delicate dove]

I think a Smite rework is inevitable. I love it simply because it's cool, but I also want to see it be a deeper ability with some degree of skill expression and better balancing

[zinc phoenix]

After fapping

[nocturne dust]

They're slow with smite anyway, it's incredibly easy to run ahead.

[upper galleon]

They should just decide if they want smite to be an aoe dps tool or a cc tool instead of both

Or actually give lmb it’s own use besides “i wanna cc slightly quicker”

[zinc phoenix]

Pox burster pusher yeee

[delicate dove]

My half baked idea was if it stunned enemies for several seconds in a short cone and wasn't continuous, like a charged burst with it's length determined by charge time, leaving the Psyker available to participate in killing these enemies themself, without rendering 90% of enemies at any given moment stunlocked?

[zinc phoenix]

That’s the same as shriek

[upper galleon]

If they want it to be dps, make it a chain lightning shotgun

[delicate dove]

Except prolonged electric stun rather than stagger

but yeah

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️

If I were going to change smite I’d just ramp the damage and peril way faster

So you use it to zap stuff dead

[slate oasis]

I think it'd be interesting if smite was like opposite assail. big damage to armored enemies and jumps between them, but not so great against unarmored things

[upper galleon]

Problem with that is fatshark powercrept once again and you can just half your peril gen

[zinc phoenix]

ER is a good keystone

[upper galleon]

Ep?

[zinc phoenix]

You take a penalty for a gain

Empyric resolve

[upper galleon]

That’s just a node not a keystone

[zinc phoenix]

Whatever

I don’t need to know the terms for their teats

[upper galleon]

And the penalty doesn’t really matter with the sheer toughness gen psyker has, if it was a dr/tdr reduction

[upper galleon]

Bruh keystone is wc, ep and dd this has always been the case

[zinc phoenix]

It definitely is noticeable

[upper galleon]

Oh yes, im just thinking it’s not impactful enough

[zinc phoenix]

If you’re fighting just a couple things and the rest of team is away it’s a pain in the ass

[upper galleon]

Well that just goes with psyker scaling off difficulty and enemy density

A terrible recipe for balance

[nocturne dust]

I mean, that's just how all unlimited AoEs work

[upper galleon]

True, but psyker is the worst out of the classes besides maybe vet

Actually yea psyker is worse than vet in that regard, zealot only has flamer and that is niche

[nocturne dust]

That's just because psyker is the coolest class

[patent mango]

wont be the coolest until force gs

[summer token]

Psyker would be cooler with big sword

[patent mango]

this is true and real

[summer token]

Zealot got big sword and zealot cool

[upper galleon]

Problem with high disparity is difference between skill and difficulty played on can drastically alter your perception. Unless someone unironically loves playing mercy they’d probably think smite is dogshit leveling

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-gif-18932176

[upper galleon]

The gunner

Not the gunners, not the regiment, just a single gunner

[nocturne dust]

It's why people complain about assail on lower difficulties

[upper galleon]

Mmos and hero shooters ruined people’s perception of teamplay

[upper galleon]

They think too hard about roles and niche when darktide is a very clearly do everything, do some things better game

[haughty star]

lmao

[nocturne dust]

Wish I had the rager version

[summer token]

I stealded these already

[strong gulch]

I made the change. I put gunner resist on my trauma build.

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

man my team comp has been shit tonight

[strong gulch]

Mettle nerf and ER finally made me change something.

[haughty star]

that coupled with the fact that i haven't played this shit in a month is kinda aids

[summer token]

I haven't changed any of my curio perks yet I spent all my mats on upgrading my heavy evoscerator to 500

[nocturne dust]

[strong gulch]

[summer token]

I found these on a reddit post immediately after I tried (failed) my first ever auric maelstrom and I walked into a room by myself into 6 crushers

[fresh reef]

shoutout to deimos L1

[upper galleon]

L1 H2 is basically a warcrime on a stick

[fresh reef]

being able to block and attack mid rager combo, with high finesse, is actually fucking insane

but's not DS4 so it's ethical

[haughty star]

ds4 is just unethical if it's on vet or zealot

[summer token]

OK but I can't hit that many headshots in a row when I'm fighting

[ripe obsidian]

This veteran went fuckin' wild. By the time I saw elites or specials, he'd already popped them

[haughty star]

lmb done right?

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but also how dare you

[ripe obsidian]

Warp resist is a better dump stat afaik, but if you're never using RMB

[nocturne dust]

[haughty star]

[haughty star]

i just figured for more spamage

trying it on warp charges now. have to give up KD for it tho :/

[nocturne dust]

ew

Charge Rate is indeed the dump for lmb spam

[haughty star]

i could give up perfect timing and mettle but meh

[nocturne dust]

do it

[haughty star]

with ER i kinda want whatever toughness i can have

[nocturne dust]

damage is a dump stat

[summer token]

Whoch mark of the heavy eviscerator is everyone's favorite

[haughty star]

i wasn't terribly impressed with doing it with my main staff on scriers dd but my main staff has a 70/70 split for WR and quell

[nocturne dust]

15

also why are you not asking in zealot chat, they have more gnawledge about that

[haughty star]

15 is the easiest 2 is the more betterer one from what i understand

[nocturne dust]

2 actually is worse in every way as far as I've heard

[flint pawn]

Zealot chat is Zealot chat.. I would imagine that's why

[haughty star]

2 has a moveset or some shit from what i remember

[nocturne dust]

right, but iirc, one of the zealot mains was saying how bloodthirsty on 15 with some other stuff makes it horde clear and single target better or something like that

[summer token]

I thought I was in zealot chat until after I sent the message amd decided to just leave it

[nocturne dust]

@latent mauve would know

[latent mauve]

15 is better than the 3

[vernal blaze]

is dueling sword dump mobility or def

[haughty star]

lol

both affect moving speed for that model so i usually try to see a 70/70 split

but defense is penetration? for the 4 so deffo mobility if you tryna generalize the weapon

[nocturne dust]

either/or

I would dump mob because it transfers to other mks, yeh

[strong gulch]

Def on mk5 and cleave damage on the mk2 and mk4 (they are in the same position when switching marks).

[nocturne dust]

I still think mob is a better dump than cleave

gotta get that 5 extra damage on poxwalkers

[strong gulch]

Give us the wee bit of extra damage on flak too fatshark. 😠

[nocturne dust]

I wish, that might actually be helpful

but also it would buff dueling sword

[strong gulch]

It's supposed to. 🥲

Gigga nerfed. Lol

[nocturne dust]

I wish dueling sword had a parry so I didn't have to bother with devil's claw

also give it the best horde clear while we're at it, lol

[strong gulch]

Yeah!

[rough mulch]

Which mod is this?

[haughty star]

ok so wtf lol

i'm just using a pretty basic lmb warp charges build and it's kinda working lol

no macros or anything although what exactly is the macro if i wanted to set that up?

[mystic pike]

oi spark-heads

[wind spruce]

No

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/281

This is more detailed, but can cause performance issues

[mystic pike]

i didn't ask my question

[strong gulch]

IDK about scripts, but if you have a newer logitech mouse, you can do it through GHUB if your mouse is supported.

Otherwise there is the option of changing your keybind and quell/ reload button to the same key. It is not as fast as doing it manually, but it's also fast than just clicking or using the full auto mod (same speed as just m1 / primary spam).

[rough mulch]

What kind of performance issues are usually seen?

[ripe obsidian]

Increased CPU usage

Which can impact FPS in a fairly significant way.

[rough mulch]

Alrighty. I'll probably use scoreboard, because that's what I usually see people using anyway.

[ripe obsidian]

But you get a lot of information

Can drill down into any category like this

[rough mulch]

That's pretty damn neat though.

[ripe obsidian]

It is. Made by the same person as Scoreboard

More accurate, more information, but more performance loss

[strong gulch]

I though the person who made ovenproof is the person who made powder ID.

Yeah. That's correct.

The scoreboard mod isn't as accurate as the ovenproof plugin.

I can't remember in which ways or why tho.

[haughty star]

i have it through the razor app. is it just r-l1-r-l1-r-l1?

[strong gulch]

That's the m1 r is the quell cancel loop. I've never used the mouse softwares, so IDK how to use them. Agent Chaos used the logitech one in his LMB vid. The keybind thing I mentioned is just in game with no mods; stright up just keybind changes.

Test in the meat grinder tho. Some people were having issues with it not working for some reason.

[haughty star]

OOOHHH YEAH

i just recorded a r-l1 continuous loop on button hold with a .01 delay and holy fuck

[strong gulch]

There is also the multibind mod that let's you have a separate quell button, but idk how invested you are in this.

[analog agate]

When I made a macro to test out the claim someone made that it was the BEST most OP thong ever (from Reddit) I think I did lmb/30 ms delay/r/40 ms delay

Or something similar. It was quell canceling as you would manually but perfectly

It was with synapse

[haughty star]

would 30ms be .03 seconds?

[analog agate]

At that point just make a macro. You are going through the motions to make more shitty macro just to feel good about yourself not using the better thing. Just own it

[analog agate]

Yes

[strong gulch]

Or you're doing what you know and settling for something worse but also takes less brain power and are easily overwhelmed.

[analog agate]

And that is more directed at the guy who “discovered” that quirk

[haughty star]

it's painfully easy to set up it took me like 8 seconds

and i don't think that's a exaggeration

[strong gulch]

I get that.

But like I said, I am unfamilar with those things and tools.

[strong gulch]

The baby weapons you get when you first make a character can't be upgraded. I have mod that let's you access hadron through your inventory, and trying to upgrade it made my game crash. I went to hadron proper, and the gun doesn't even show up.

This is max gun.

[haughty star]

this is literally broken lol

[haughty star]

this worked out perfectly

thank you for the pointer good sir

[radiant frigate]

are you machine gunning with your hands now

[haughty star]

yes lol

it's so stoopid

like a columnus that never ends

[strong gulch]

Next time I see questions on it, I know who to @

[primal plume]

Its funny how in Darktide this turned into psychic needles

They should add this

but it instantly kills you

[frozen whale]

psyker build for twins

anyone

[storm oyster]

What weapons would you pair with Smite?

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[jovial juniper]

At least one single target decent

[nocturne dust]

dueling sword to stab twins, fire trauma to deal with ads/safety. That seemed to work for me on the secret hardmode. I would go for infinite devil's claw, but the ranged lad makes it such a pain

I guess you could do something wacky with infinite devil's claw and bubble

[ripe obsidian]

Oop. My mistake

[strong gulch]

I clutched a standard T4 as a level 10. 😭

I cheated tho cus trauma.

[strong gulch]

no worries

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

That actually sounds stupid

[strong gulch]

oop. I get access to melk now

[nocturne dust]

Take 4 psykers with bubble and claw and just stand in a corner pressing parry

[verbal thistle]

dueling sword, columnus, assail, gaze, destiny

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

I can't imagine trying to use gunker on twins

[verbal thistle]

only did it like 80 times with that build

[nocturne dust]

Seems like a terrible matchup

[verbal thistle]

pretty easy

1 clip down rinda

2 pokes down rodin

5 stabs phase transition

[nocturne dust]

and then get dumpstered by all the ads?

[ornate hamlet]

mod separates both bombers
doesn't separate both flamers

[verbal thistle]

assail

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-what-the-sigma-gif-9316257842858237450

[strong gulch]

WELP. Day 1 and melk is doodoo. I was hoping this moment would be better.

[nocturne dust]

crusher

[verbal thistle]

ds

?

1 tapped

its dueling sword

[nocturne dust]

....on the hardmode?

[verbal thistle]

yes

2 most of the time

cause destiny is finicky in that fight

[nocturne dust]

No, that feels like a bad time

[verbal thistle]

okay

[frozen whale]

Im trying to help some peeps w twins

[verbal thistle]

I'm on

[frozen whale]

but not good enough to carry

[verbal thistle]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1162145458114801725

[frozen whale]

one sec

[nocturne dust]

But I hate gunker anyway

[verbal thistle]

okay

congrats?

[nocturne dust]

Thank you, it took 0 nanoseconds to form my gunker opinion

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/bigfootjinx-spore-spore-galactic-adventures-cat-gif-24447513

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sewerslvt-they-dont-know-gif-24242735

"They don't know I'm clinically insane"

[ivory path]

Giving Recon Lasgunker a try, what should I do as my dump stat?

Was thinking mobility but then thought I might not need the stagger from collateral

[nocturne dust]

You can probably dump either one, but I've heard collateral is better since you don't want to stagger and then cause yourself to miss shots

[ivory path]

Well I rolled enough to have options, will try collateral first

[plucky flax]

Recon 12 is based

[echo root]

It's fun running at lightning speed with gaze

[plucky flax]

Brrrrrzzzzzzrrrrrr

[echo root]

Don't dump mobility so you can get all the ammo

[lethal lagoon]

no u

[ivory path]

I just cross my fingers that quickplay will match me with some roughneck lackys with the ammo passive when i play gunker

[ripe obsidian]

Collateral is a better dump stat. Stagger works against you

[brazen rampart]

Collateral is the dump stat, especially because you want to use the cleave recon.

More collateral = more stagger, more stagger = less headshots.

[ivory path]

Does warp splitting affect the recon at all? Still not entirely sure how it works.

[ripe obsidian]

Recon has 1.5 base cleave. So yes

[plucky flax]

Dump on deez

[ripe obsidian]

Weapons have a base cleave stat. Each enemy has a mass. These are directly related. The amount of cleave a weapon has is how much mass it can punch through before it stops

Warp Splitting increases this cleave stat, up to doubling the amount of mass a weapon can punch through

[latent mauve]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

For example, the Voidstrike RMB has a cleave of 10. With warp splitting, it goes to 20. This means it can punch through (I think) 20 groaners, which have a mass of 1.

[ivory path]

so a shot can actually go through an enemy and hit another? is there a damage loss on the 2nd target?

Also recon full bore keeps my peril at 0% during scriers lol

[nocturne dust]

Look, I just forgot they were saying gunker and taking SG, aight?

[ivory path]

might have to drop warp rider

[ripe obsidian]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies

This site has the hitmass if you pick an enemy type

[ripe obsidian]

Different weapons have different damage falloff on the second enemy and beyond

[plucky flax]

Don't

[ripe obsidian]

And a shot can go through enemies if the cleave > the enemy hitmass

Also don't drop Warp Rider

[flint pawn]

mostly melee enemies in auric... time for carapurgatus

[plucky flax]

Make smol adjustments from this build
https://youtu.be/p7BNyAtCrrc

[ivory path]

Theres like a 3 second window where its above 75% or whatever the threshold is

[latent mauve]

the easiest team comp is mass dps gunker/stealth zealot, knife zealot for clearing mines, someone on elites so trauma or pickaxe ogryn

[ripe obsidian]

Which pickaxe is currently considered the best? I see Karsolas the most

Not that I see Ogryns often

[brazen rampart]

Karsolas is, but don't let ogryn chat hear you say that.

[latent mauve]

because it is the best numerically

[brazen rampart]

They'll explode and screech branx is better.

[latent mauve]

gotta worship the ogrynomicon!

[modest perch]

It’s the easiest to use and can one shot crushers and mutants when you get some buffs stacking up

[ripe obsidian]

I do enjoy Karsolas when I play Ogryn

[brazen rampart]

I mean, I invoke the ogrynomicon a lot, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that karsolas is easier to use and deals with everything not crusher shaped better than branx does.

[modest perch]

I know like one good ogryn that uses the branx exclusively

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, almost any weapon is viable

Preference > meta

[latent mauve]

hope you also do not take the blessings, perks, builds or curios to heart...

[brazen rampart]

I do not.

Except for stubbers.

[nocturne dust]

I prefer nonviable weapons

The pub must carry me like the peons they are

[ripe obsidian]

Of course you do, contrarian that you are

[plucky flax]

Bistol > all

[nocturne dust]

[modest perch]

Viable is a weird term

[brazen rampart]

Ogrynomicon curios want stuff like coherency regen, which I do not subscribe to.

If I'm not within arms reach of something to beat it to death, I am not playing ogryn correctly.

[ripe obsidian]

What blessings do you use on Bistol? I like Lethal Proximity on Veteran to buff grenades, but it seems like Surgical/Puncture is probably better on Psyker/Zealot.

[modest perch]

Just cus some streamer or crackhead with 1000 hours on one class can make bad builds/weapons work doesn’t make that the case for the other 99% of players

[plucky flax]

I use surgical and puncture on all. That's just me though

[ivory path]

that was actually shockingly close to what i had randomly thrown together

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. Surgical is probably better tbh. But big grenades.

[plucky flax]

You are certified top 2%

[nocturne dust]

I do

Coherency Regen 10/10

[ripe obsidian]

I enjoy coherency regen curios

[brazen rampart]

Neat.

I find them to be useless.

[modest perch]

I think I use surgical on vet cus of that suppression immunity skill otherwise shattering impact cus it improves the bleeds from puncture for some reason

[plucky flax]

I use deimos with recon las since I find it has better horde clear than ds but it's up to you. Can play knife too

[primal plume]

Is this actually worth taking at all?

with EP?

[nocturne dust]

Although I do agree it's very weak and Fatshark should buff it. And that's definitely my honest opinion as I would never lie just to get my favorite curio perk buffed.

[primal plume]

or at all

[brazen rampart]

Think of brittleness as rending on one specific target that everyone benefits from. This allows DOT's to better affect brittle targets.

[plucky flax]

Yeah with ep smite spam is good

[ivory path]

Only major difference was the toughness gen nodes I took. Figured with how much peril quelling this thing does quietude should be busted, but video doesnt use it.

[modest perch]

Oh I understand how it works I just don’t get WHY

[brazen rampart]

Because bleed has its own ADM.

Meaning brittleness increases that number.

[plucky flax]

Assail want soulstealer way more

[nocturne dust]

I mean... it's not good but you can take it.

[modest perch]

like you bleed more cus your armor sucks ?

[brazen rampart]

Yes.

[plucky flax]

Throw 3 of them out and you get full toughness back much quicker

[brazen rampart]

You ever tried to cut someone wearing full plate armor vs just skin?

Same concept applies.

[ripe obsidian]

I have never tried to cut anyone ever

[modest perch]

I mean I’ve been to a renaissance fair but I didn’t partake in any duels

[brazen rampart]

Crushers are basically wearing a refrigerator as armor, it's no surprise they don't bleed easily.

[nocturne dust]

They should burn like the tin cans they are tho

[brazen rampart]

It's a rhetorical question.

[nocturne dust]

😔

[modest perch]

Mostly just overindulged in mead and those giant roasted turkey legs

[ripe obsidian]

And I am answering it. Rhetoric overriden.

[brazen rampart]

This is true, I don't believe that either brittleness blessing for purg or flamer needed to be added.

The carapace adm should've just been increased.

Cause, yknow, carapace isn't heat resistant like at all.

[modest perch]

At least the flamer can sorta melt crusher piles if you’re lazy or something but the staff just doesn’t cut the mustard here

[brazen rampart]

I believe normal fire ramps up faster than soulblaze but soulblaze has a higher potential stacking point.

[ripe obsidian]

Heat Metal is 2d8 fire damage per turn. So I agree.

[brazen rampart]

Also purg staff has a cap on the stacks it can inflict.

[modest perch]

Someone kept trying to extol the virtues of brittleness purge to me and I was like bro by the time you’ve applied enough stacks for it to make a difference you’ve already done enough damage for me to just one tap the thing

[brazen rampart]

Fellow heat metal enjoyer. 🤝

[brazen rampart]

This is valid but I've also killed the 20 scab ragers hiding behind the crusher you're about to finish off.

There is merit to using it.