psyker-class

[patent mango]

its fun too

[plucky flax]

Bistol on all classes.

[patent mango]

ogryn bistol

[plucky flax]

Give ogryn bistol and big guy might be good.

[patent mango]

dual bistols

for ogryn

[plucky flax]

Ogryn is so bad to play for me man.

When I have to clutch I'm like "Pls let me switch to my psyker or zealot"

[nocturne dust]

Not unfair, but wildfire helps because it gives you a stack starter for purg, and on slower stackers like surge with PC or fire trauma it helps keep the soulblaze doing enough damage to clear hordes

[analog agate]

That’s cause is ogryn is just worse than the other 3 classes

[plucky flax]

They removed a 10% tdr node too.

[patent mango]

ogryn needs a buff guhh

[nocturne dust]

Me literally soloing maelstrom by spamming heavies:

[patent mango]

at least box and burst limiter need a rework

[plucky flax]

You can spam light attack as zealot for the same melee prowess with combat axe martyrdom.

[analog agate]

Yeah. Then you get those 3 disablers on you. Good luck

[plucky flax]

And you're a lot more nimble.

[nocturne dust]

Have you considered the shotgun that works like a sniper rifle you don't have to aim?

[analog agate]

Many times it just knocks down and doesn’t kill

[clear heath]

i like wildfire on shriek spam
tends to a least spread on things you miss far away cause shriek isn't really that wide.
imo it's more questionable on purg if you don't run shriek cause anything it could spread to is already on fire anyways

[nocturne dust]

Surgical go bbbbbrrrrrrr

[clear heath]

stack cap of 4 makes wildfire weirdly less useful if you can already burn everything

[analog agate]

Many times you don’t have time to sit there and wait for stacks. Not saying ogryn *can’t clutch or anything. He is just way more intensive to do it with while the other 3 classes breeze through. Well, everything

And the reload blows. Got two specials on you? Too bad

[nocturne dust]

Disagree

Purg likes wildfire because wildfire extends beyond purg range

free 4 stack starter

[plucky flax]

That's exactly what it's for. You start off with higher stacks so you ramp up damage easier.

[clear heath]

by the time the enemies die from wildfire, they're pretty close to you (if it's from purg and not from a 24m shriek target)
The enemies close to that enemy are already being burned

[plucky flax]

It's especially good on burga.

[nocturne dust]

You're not killing them with wildfire

[clear heath]

i mean i take wildfire anyways cause i do run shriek

[plucky flax]

I've gone over this too many times. If you hate wildfire just don't use it but don't flame it if you don't 'understand' it.

[nocturne dust]

You kill them with purga, wildfire just makes purga do it faster

[clear heath]

no but by the time your purg target dies, it has walked up to you

[plucky flax]

Wildfire have feelings too.

[clear heath]

the enemy has died right next to you can only spread enemies that are also right next to you

[nocturne dust]

You have a bad purga build if chaff can walk anywhere near you

[clear heath]

which are also at 4+ stacks

[nocturne dust]

It also spreads outside the cone tho

[clear heath]

the point is they're deeper in purg range
spreading to other people in purg range

[nocturne dust]

Sure, and also people outside purga range

We don't care that it can't get the ones near me

That doesn't matter

[clear heath]

there's also the fact that if you kill things that fast, you might as well progress forward
If you're moving up, by the time the close guys die, you're close enough to the far guys

[split lance]

Do you need a hug?

[nocturne dust]

Yes, and they will have 4 stacks for you to then add to

[plucky flax]

Yeah big man let's hug it out @split lance

[patent mango]

wildfire fans vs wildfire haters gang war

[clear heath]

or you've already applied those 4 stacks with purg and they can't spread

[split lance]

[nocturne dust]

You cannot move that fast

[strong gulch]

adorable

[nocturne dust]

Like literally

[crisp yacht]

4 stacks from wildfire isn't enough to kill a poxwalker.

[granite kelp]

i used purgatus staff as chip damage between combo palpatine fingers and sight

[clear heath]

it's not
the assumption is you're purging it

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-cat-loud-angry-gif-26168455

[split lance]

People are just mad that my Chad wildfire kills more enemies than they can get

[clear heath]

in which case, you're also purging the spread targets
which makes them invalid targets for wildfire

[summer prairie]

The purg targets that die are mostly already closer to you and the spread targets already have stacks

[plucky flax]

I want a full back next after I finish my leg but I am so broke.

[nocturne dust]

This is untrue

[plucky flax]

@split lance I heard back is painful too.

[split lance]

Full back gonna be expensive

[nocturne dust]

Chaff dies very quickly

[summer prairie]

Of course enemies closer to you die first

[split lance]

Is it? I never thought of it. I imagine upper back is less painful

[plucky flax]

Yeah this right leg is taking 6 full days session. Back is probably like 10.

[summer prairie]

They either moved towards you or already were there

[plucky flax]

Upper should be fine I heard lower near the ribs on the sides and on the spine.

[granite kelp]

you can delete chaff with purgatus, a friend to push back while you are charging another salvo and some patience

[split lance]

Yeah that makes sense

What’s chaff?

Chafing?

I get a lot of that

[granite kelp]

the general horde

like, poxwalkers and the like

[late sapphire]

How much do you spend per limb roughly?

[broken carbon]

horde

bruisers, poxwalkers, groaners

[split lance]

Ooooooh

Press f to clear horde

[plucky flax]

Roughly in british pounds. Right arm 1400, left arm probably close to 2000. Left leg 2400, right leg estimate around 3600. Chest I think was 500. And two smol ones on neck one was 40, one was around 80 I think.

Too much overall.

[hollow stirrup]

allo spark 'eads, runk hopes you all are having good day ❤️

[mossy oyster]

shoulda just became a tech priest at that point

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-cat-how-i-feel-today-bad-morning-gif-14097180

[late sapphire]

10k total is quite a bit

[plucky flax]

I would if I was living in cyberpunk world.

[late sapphire]

I've got no tats but i figure if i ever get any i might as well go all in

[plucky flax]

Voluntary limb replacement.

[plucky flax]

Do your research. We can't afford the super high ends but don't cheap out and go to your mate of your mate. "He can do it cheaper for same quality"

Fuck that Xd

[strong gulch]

Dang it. Y'all said "tanner" so much that I now have his vid in my recommended.

[jovial juniper]

Lmao

Recommended by Osmosis

[late sapphire]

I would neeever risk cheapo ink

[mossy oyster]

the only thing you risk when it comes to your "friend of friend"

is maybe a haircut

[late sapphire]

Hello i would like my arm to be amputated

[mossy oyster]

but one bad haircut is a bad month

[plucky flax]

Yeah.

Bad haircut is okay.

[late sapphire]

Last time i let a friend of a friend cut my hair we ended up just shaving it all off and letting it regrow

[plucky flax]

Shitty tattoo is super costly to fix.

[late sapphire]

Nah i'd go to a place i can sue

[mossy oyster]

life hack

[plucky flax]

Someone call the police.

This cheater must be stopped.

[summer prairie]

Borderline is good

[buoyant maple]

spidey sense and health bars are 2 of the cheesiest mods tho yea

but it doesn't rly matter that much

[late sapphire]

I think spidey sense should be a psyker talent

Think about it

[plucky flax]

Hey it's not illegal.

[clear heath]

healthbars is the closest thing to cheating i personally use

[austere warren]

People can't blind dodge?

[plucky flax]

So quit crying.

[clear heath]

calling it borderline cheating isn't really wrong but i'm fine with it

[plucky flax]

I hate purists.

[late sapphire]

It is cheating and cheating is good

[upper galleon]

I will die on the hill spider sense is accessibility

[plucky flax]

It is.

[late sapphire]

Yeah it lets bad players access higher difficulties

[upper galleon]

The one thing fortnite is a 100% good for is it’s sound indicators

[plucky flax]

But, the mods are legal because they are not taken down from nexus. Even telepot the biggest dt youtuber use these mods.

[mossy oyster]

i will not be ashamed to have cleave and net pop up on my screen while im listening to my music too loud

accessibility ftw

[plucky flax]

Diminish one's skill at the game because 'cheat' mods is kinda cope.

[jovial juniper]

Well I use DD on vent purge and lights out
Good feeling

[clear heath]

my take is that i don't give a shit about cheating the parts of the game that no one gives a shit about

the game's sound barely works

so do whatever

[patent mango]

spidey sense is good for poxbursters when they decide to be silent randomly

[late sapphire]

Who tf is telepot

[buoyant maple]

they tweaked directional audio in the newest patch

[late sapphire]

Same

I love listening to my music

[plucky flax]

Some swedish guy. He's zealot main so don't watch his psyker vid.

[jovial juniper]

Oh
That's why reloading the Foe Rend was on my left ear

That was weird

[buoyant maple]

revolver reload is right ear now lol

boltgun plays right first, then left

[jovial juniper]

Oh this is going to be trippy

[buoyant maple]

directional audio did get better tho

I can tell which direction specials are spawning

[late sapphire]

ds special is only left ear

[hollow jolt]

audio still shits itself in hunting grounds sadly :c

[jovial juniper]

Well I've only experienced snippets of this change since nets problems yadda yadda

[buoyant maple]

their fullscreen and FSR frame gen implementations are still fked

need fixes

[mossy oyster]

hey

it cant be as annoying as what happened to me a few days ago

[hollow jolt]

one day Fatshark will learn not to break shit

[mossy oyster]

(I updated my drivers and it auto swapped my audio preset device)

I played an entire game with no sound

https://tenor.com/view/dog-headphone-dog-headphone-dog-vibing-vibing-gif-5681505248705270118

thankfully i just changed it back to my earbuds and it worked but still very annoying and weird it even changes audio preset devices

after a graphics driver update

[clear heath]

never

[hollow jolt]

somehow audio cues untouched

[mossy oyster]

unironically

didnt feel a difference

except the oomph from beating shit up

missed that

[balmy hamlet]

what should i be going for

with these

i've had weapons down for over a year now

but i never paid attention to my curios

[buoyant maple]

200 health, 20% sniper resist
everything else up to u

3x 10% docket is based tho

[ripe obsidian]

What do you folks use on your DS4? I'm currently running agile/uncanny and carapace/maniac

[balmy hamlet]

is health more important than toughness? or wounds?

[strong gulch]

Although, if you never get hit by snipers then skip. But what Path say is what I rec.

[buoyant maple]

psyker has the worst toughness scaling of all classes

[balmy hamlet]

I have felt that in my soul... true

[radiant frigate]

are you saying not to pick up toughness

if anything this is a reason to prioritise it more to avoid chip damage

[buoyant maple]

I'm saying get 200+ health first, then stack toughness based on preference

[strong gulch]

If you pick toughness curios, also pick the toughness nodes on the tree to give those curios something to work off of.

Curios are largely personal. That 200 health with sniper resist lets you eat a sniper shot then take a burster (maybe 2) right after and not die.

[buoyant maple]

I think I have like
17% toughness x2 + 5% toughness x3
21% health x1 + 5% health x2
20% sniper resist
10% docket x3

for psyker

[radiant frigate]

no gunner resist?

[balmy hamlet]

rolling in dockets

[radiant frigate]

3x docket perk is epic

[balmy hamlet]

im not worried about gunners tbh? my forcesword has deflection

[buoyant maple]

I play inferno/gun with empathic evasion

[ripe obsidian]

I have 2xToughness 17%, 3x Toughness 5%
1x Health 21%, 1x Health 5%
1x 20% sniper resist
2x 20% gunner resist
2x 30% toughness regen

[late yew]

Who is Melk? What he does in Inquisition?

[radiant frigate]

personally, 1x 17% toughness 1x 21% health 1x 3stam
3x 5% toughness
2x corruption resist
2x sniper resist
2x gunner resist

[radiant frigate]

bullying rejects and handing out contracts

[clear heath]

I have 2x toughness 17%, 1x hp 21%
3x toughness perk
1x sniper
1x gunner
1x hp
3x cdr

[late yew]

What contracts?

[strong gulch]

I might put gunner resist on the trauma build. With ER, they have been more of a problem for me. I could just not position myself badly, but... I'm not about to learn a lesson.

[clear heath]

that 1 hp perk gets me a burster survival breakpoint

[ripe obsidian]

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Sire_Melk

Zola introduces Sire Darius Melk as being responsible for "... collating and analysing reports from recon teams, Wyrmwood agents and loyal citizens who risk their lives delivering vital intelligence. Melk identifies priority targets, supply lines and transitory weaknesses in the traitor war machine."

[radiant frigate]

corruption resist may do the same

[late sapphire]

agile stinks

[ripe obsidian]

D:

[radiant frigate]

uncanny rampage

[late yew]

Ah, so he is acolyte

[late sapphire]

You already have a lot of dodges and they regen super quick

[late yew]

Do we also end up as acolytes btw?

[late sapphire]

i run uncanny riposte

[clear heath]

Probably

[late sapphire]

on psyker flakiak on zealot cara unyielding

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, we're rejects. We're more expendable.

[balmy hamlet]

surely siblings they will let us go after we preform well

surely

[slate oasis]

just had someone do this mid game. I've never once seen someone get pissed over pings before lol

[balmy hamlet]

how dare you indicate there is a sniper

im leaving

[buoyant maple]

Nah

[patent mango]

lmfaoo

[radiant frigate]

wdym nah

[clear heath]

197 hp with sniper res gives me a breakpoint to survive 2 snipers
iirc adding an extra hp perk to get 205 lets me survive 3 bursters and just barely less than half hp corrupted

[buoyant maple]

Corruption resist doesn’t change burster’s total damage

[patent mango]

i usually want more pings (unless itsa m1 ping spammer dear god please dont do this)

[upper sun]

yeah for people who dont have ears on the back of their heads and full 360 degree monitors

[ripe obsidian]

What an ass.

[radiant frigate]

well it changes the corruption it builds up, which it applies before it does 50 damage

[late yew]

At the end of "storyline" we end up joining inquisition

[clear heath]

yeah it'll help for the first burster, which might just be enough

[upper galleon]

as expendable former penal soldier

[upper sun]

if spidy is cheating then why is the backshot sound part of the game?

[latent mauve]

We are 100% dying at the end

[nocturne dust]

I need a mod to turn off the yellow ping on Commodore's Vestures

[upper sun]

wait two weeks
1 new weapon skin

bros..................................

[upper galleon]

our best hope is to not be a psyker, and then for a better odds, get in on brahms ship

[analog agate]

Wait. You don’t use weapon customization?

[ripe obsidian]

How easy is it to hit 3 enemies to get rampage off? I thought the DS4 had terrible cleave

[upper sun]

did someone at internal marketing think "BUT PEOPLE WONT BUY SKINS IF WE GIVE THEM OUT ON WEAPON MASTERY"

[upper sun]

no

[radiant frigate]

full uptime in hordes

[analog agate]

Bummer

[upper sun]

wtf no bum

[analog agate]

All bum. I have access to all weapon skins

[radiant frigate]

friendship ended with the warp, now arms and armor are my best friend

[upper sun]

cant wait 394 months until we get a new mission with BRUNT

[upper galleon]

psyker is fucked besides the savant

[buoyant maple]

Groaner & poxwalker yes
Bruiser no

[nocturne dust]

I'm surprised we don't have the 'we die every mission and just get replaced' thing going on

[balmy hamlet]

none of us have ever failed a mission wym

[jovial juniper]

4.5 lights is pretty decent cleave yeah

[buoyant maple]

U could play perma death challenge to experience it

If u die u delete ur character

[balmy hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kiritwt-gif-23073153

[ripe obsidian]

I will try uncanny/rampage then. Maybe use the DS in hordes instead of Illisi

[balmy hamlet]

naaah

[patent mango]

ds2 for horde clear is a bit nicer

[jovial juniper]

With Rampage up you'll be killing one groaner per swing by hitting the head

Walkers need to be critspot with Rampage up

[patent mango]

ds2 is also more fun tbh

[jovial juniper]

H2 on the DS2 can kill 2 groaners per swing by hitting heads with rampage up

[ripe obsidian]

Gonna try this with Voidstrike/DS4

Carapace/Maniac Uncanny/Rampage on DS4
Crit/Flak Surge/Flurry on Voidstrike

[balmy hamlet]

i always feel like the only scriers gaze use were are my fellow gazers into the warp

[late sapphire]

same as illisi

[ripe obsidian]

TIL

[late sapphire]

i ❤️ scriers gaze

[ripe obsidian]

I also like Warp Splitting, so that makes it even cleavier. I guess the diagonal swing makes it feel like less cleave than Illisi

[late sapphire]

Cleave damage distribution sucks

its like 200 50 15

[ripe obsidian]

The only downside is that Fatshark just gave back Illisi stroking to max out peril

[late sapphire]

scab bruiser is 2 hitmass iirc

so at medium peril you get rampage with em too

I don't use rampage though because i don't use the ds for hording

[ripe obsidian]

I don't use melee for hordes unless they're too close for Voidstrike to be useful

[late sapphire]

If they are that close you should be hollering and legging it

[ripe obsidian]

On Purg I use DS4 for poking crushers and maulers

[late sapphire]

Exactly

Crushers maulers, stray elites and specials, muties

[ripe obsidian]

I often try. Hard sometimes.

[late sapphire]

-> rampage not useful

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. Anything close enough to poke

[late sapphire]

shred or riposte is my recommendation

I should try rampage on my ds zealot though

[ripe obsidian]

I guess I need 2 DS4s

Well, I have 2.

One with cleave dump and one with mobility dump. I'll just make one for poking and one for less poking

[late sapphire]

cleave dump is also such a thing

it's 10% unarmored and infested damage, flat

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Especially with it being so much easier to get the weapon you want. I'd rec having a scrier's DS and a non scrier's DS.

[ripe obsidian]

What is the difference in build there?

[strong gulch]

And cleave damage is STILL bugged. It's supposed to also work on flak.

[late sapphire]

Idk i think the distribution just cuts earlier no?

Or does flak% not change at all from 0 to 80

[strong gulch]

It just doesn't do anything with flak.

[late sapphire]

guh

It's also really dumb

It's called cleave damage

It has nothing to do with cleave damage

[strong gulch]

With scriers you're working more off of crits. So riposte is gonna be great.

[patent mango]

riposte gaming

[strong gulch]

Outside of scrier's, there's thrust that let's you actually one tap mutants with no other buff.

This is just min maxing things tho.

You'll be fine with just the one DS.

[late sapphire]

Do not use thrust

Just heavy twice

Thrust sucks

[strong gulch]

Thrust is fine, but there are other options.

[late sapphire]

That's all

[ripe obsidian]

I have millions of resources to spend and most all of my weapons are minmaxed. Building another DS4 is easy enough

[analog agate]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

Can’t heavy twice if the mutie grabs you after your first poke

I stopped using thrust when I realized I don’t care about the mutie meme

[late sapphire]

its called dodging backwards

[opal lake]

Any recommendations for dueling swork perks?

[ripe obsidian]

I'm currently using Carapace/Maniac

[late sapphire]

What are you using it on

That is always the question

[analog agate]

I play blast staff. I don’t dodge

[nocturne dust]

No, ur opinion is bad and ur dumb

[opal lake]

I'm using it on psyker

[late sapphire]

Sending perils...

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-i-am-on-the-brink-meme-white-text-gif-26506151

[ripe obsidian]

Now I have two stabby stabbers.

[nocturne dust]

sus scores

[ripe obsidian]

I'll use rampage/uncanny with voidstrike and try shred/uncanny or riposte/uncanny with purg.

[ripe obsidian]

I have a lot of weapons like this

Oh, that one surge wasn't fully upgraded. It reads 382/552 now

I should learn how to use Voidblast. It's the only staff I've not really touched. I have a good Surge staff, but the playstyle feels eh to me. I want to blow up a bunch of enemies at once with staves, not zap one guy to mist

Oh. This explains my framerate drop. The config file turned raytracing shit on again even though it's off in settings. Fun.

[nocturne dust]

👀

Where's that config located

[ripe obsidian]

C:\Users[name]\AppData\Roaming\Fatshark\Darktide

[patent mango]

idk why fatshark doesnt just add that to config ingame

[ripe obsidian]

It is. And it's off.

[patent mango]

ermmm what the scallop

[latent mauve]

Happens every time the game updates

[clear heath]

bad game

i just changed the version number on my settings file so it wouldn't try to reset it

[haughty star]

Better game than sm2

Poopy gears of war remake

[latent mauve]

If FS commits a change to user_config it enables rt

Every single time

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-cat-upset-annoyed-perturbed-gif-2678264647403754706

[patent mango]

let me remove rt from my game pls

it nukes my fps anyways

[haughty star]

Rt is junk

[clear heath]

wdym you don't wanna lose 50 fps for slightly better lighting?

[nocturne dust]

Two there are

in the same file

[haughty star]

We can't even do rasterized 4k on most games at 120hz yet

Rt ain't it yet

[ripe obsidian]

I do not trust it.

[latent mauve]

To turn on RT in cp77 it drops me down to 15 fps at maxed settings

[patent mango]

probably just super bugged

[clear heath]

i'm sure i'll appreciate the raytracing options in 15 years when hardware gets better

[nocturne dust]

Never trust Fatshark, but my graphics are indeed on medium and that checks out in-game

[latent mauve]

I could use dlss to buff it, but dlss + rt is worse than not having rt

[clear heath]

for now i'm not touching that shit

[ripe obsidian]

I just manually changed it in the file to "off"

Maybe it will help, maybe not

I try to keep a .old version of the config

[patent mango]

usually changing it in config file improves my fps

[rain meadow]

the graphics update: it broke all the graphics

good job FS

[patent mango]

it just reset them

[rain meadow]

you had one job and you fucked it up

[latent mauve]

C:\USER%\AppData\Roaming\Fatshark\Darktide\user_settings.config

rt_checkerboard_reflections = false
rt_light_quality = false
rt_mixed_reflections = false
rt_particle_reflections_enabled = false
rt_reflections_enabled = false
rt_shadow_ray_multiplier = 0
rt_transparent_reflections_enabled = false
rtxgi_enabled = false

[patent mango]

this rts thing has always been a problem (probably)

[rain meadow]

ive changed back to minimum graphics settinsg
and still getting about 40 fps less than pre update

[patent mango]

buh

then idk

[clear heath]

my fps is basically the same as before

[patent mango]

my fps is the same yeah

[upper sun]

just buy a 5090 :^)

[clear heath]

i am using literally the exact same file though. Maybe fatshark enabled some hidden settings for you that fucked you up

[patent mango]

5090 exists now?

[latent mauve]

Sitting at a comfy 240fps

[upper sun]

soontm

[patent mango]

so over

[nocturne dust]

just buy an h100

[upper sun]

it has 4gb of Vram and 29 different AI framgens

enjoy

[latent mauve]

You cannot game on them

Don’t ask how I know that

[nocturne dust]

😭

[upper sun]

you watched a linux techtips video

[latent mauve]

Totally didn’t try the second I got my hands on it

[latent mauve]

Pretty sure he didn’t get hopper series cards

[clear heath]

i'm usually around 90 fps 1440p on an rtx 4070 super

on like relatively high settings with none of the ai stuff though

[upper sun]

idk i dont watch him (anymore)

[latent mauve]

Good

[upper sun]

they went from showing new tech to being the youtube brainrot equivalent of 5 minute crafts on instagram

[ripe obsidian]

Probably something fucky with fullscreen

[rain meadow]

maybe

could be that i increased my fov lmao

forgot i did that

[buoyant maple]

Same

[buoyant maple]

Both Fullscreen
And FSR3 frame gen
Are not done proper rn

There’s something very seriously wrong when the mod that replaces DLSS frame gen with FSR3 frame gen somehow gets 6~10 degrees lower GPU temp when playing than native FSR3 frame gen

[haughty star]

Also frame gen is only good looking if you get more than 60fps to begin with

[clear heath]

i've always done borderless and no frame gen so i guess that's why nothing has changed for me

[rain meadow]

im usually sitting at ~70fps

pre update i was usually sitting at ~110fps

[split lance]

Does ur gpu get hot in this game?

[buoyant maple]

Normally yes

When I was using FSR3 FG

[split lance]

What gpu?

[buoyant maple]

RTX3060 laptop

[split lance]

Oh that makes sense

[buoyant maple]

But I was using DLSS3 frame gen mod before FS added FSR3 frame gen

So I went back to that mod

And it’s somehow

6~10 degrees lower

[split lance]

DLSS auto seems to give me the most frames without looking shit

[buoyant maple]

Instead of 81~82 Celsius, I’m looking at 72~76 Celsius

Somehow

While running the game at 1080p

With game’s FSR3, even if I drop to like 1280x720

It’s still gonna run at 81-82

Which is fucked on so many levels

I don’t even know where to start

[echo root]

This game nust be horribly optimized. Both my cpu and gpu are running under 100%

3080 @ 1440p uncapped and it goes from 40-80%

[split lance]

Tbf you don’t really want cpu at a 100

For gaming

[echo root]

My cpu isn't the issue

It's never above 60% while playing this.

[split lance]

Yeah same

Even with RT high and shit

It doesn’t get very high gpu usage

[echo root]

But my game has shit fps sometimes and I see the gpu at 65%, just makes me angry.

[buoyant maple]

I don't have raytracing on cuz am on laptop lol

[split lance]

What settings ya run?

But yea

[echo root]

All high 1440p rt off

Dlss performance

[split lance]

Really does seem this game just doesn’t want to use all of gpu

[split lance]

DLSS performance didn’t even give me more frames but it did make my game look like utter shit

[echo root]

I want steadyish 144fps with nice graphics

I might just have to get a fucking 5080 once it releases

[split lance]

I’m on low settings high rt

Get about a steady uhhh

120-140

Absolute lowest it ever gets is 90

Dlss auto

[echo root]

It's usually above hundred, idk why it drops randomly down to 70 on the latest patch.

[split lance]

For some people deleting .ini has worked

[lethal lagoon]

Might as well get the 5090, it's just one step up

[split lance]

Buy me one too pls

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

buy us all graphics cards thanks

[lethal lagoon]

Too old.

[split lance]

Ty atlas!!!!!

Ur the best!!

[patent mango]

wanna buy me a horse

[split lance]

No

Not you

[lethal lagoon]

I'll send you a video about a horse

[patent mango]

damn

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

Omg no

No

No

[lethal lagoon]

Why? It's just a nature documentary

[split lance]

No it’s not

[lethal lagoon]

I have no idea what you are talking about honestly

[rain meadow]

i hoping that my nickname "bugtide" will catch on eventually

[patent mango]

i just call it sharktide

[lethal lagoon]

It won't.

[rain meadow]

thats what you think

[lethal lagoon]

Wild horses are fascinating animals is all I meant.

Jeez

[split lance]

Sure it is atlas

Sure it is

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

take it to dms girlies

[patent mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/848212248781520946/893776452586192906/image0.gif

[rain meadow]

bro chill

thats a concerning amount of blood on the desk

[patent mango]

i think ur seeing warp visions

[rain meadow]

visions sent by my beloved

[lethal lagoon]

Bugtide only works if people had high expectations for low bugs.

Our expectations couldn't be lower in terms of bugs

[patent mango]

its really not that bad

[lethal lagoon]

It's like calling it "blue sky" instead of just sky

It's silly

[rain meadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuJIqmha2Hk

le counterpoint

[lethal lagoon]

Surge and Smite were both broken in different ways between patch 13-15.

[echo root]

Not sure my 850w PSU can handle it. My Ryzen 7600 will probably be a bottleneck as well.

[dusk void]

Didn’t know you had money like that?

[lethal lagoon]

Oh I'm deifnitely not upgrading into a 5090, it has to be a new PC

I don't have money like that

I just don't really have alot of things to buy

I don't like cars or shit like that, clothes I can't care less, etc.

[rain meadow]

u ARE a clown aintcha?

[patent mango]

idk i've played wayy worse

[lethal lagoon]

This was marketed as a AAA live service

[patent mango]

this game is triple a?

[lethal lagoon]

And it's just glaring because by comparsion this is some of the best gameplay ever made

I think with the chinese investment it came close.

But maybe just AA

I do think 100+ mil is AAA

[patent mango]

idk triple a is usually like more dolla price

[lethal lagoon]

I don't remember the exact budget numbers i saw.

[lethal lagoon]

Also I was making a joke

That's why the

Emotes are there for a reason

[dusk void]

Still, a new GPU is better than an old one. I had to change out my screen twice ($600 down the drain) and get new stuff for my setup

[lethal lagoon]

Did it break or something?

[dusk void]

It didn’t break. I broke it 😅

[split lance]

Pretty sure monitors are hard to break

Oh

[lethal lagoon]

Lmao

[split lance]

Gamer rage

[lethal lagoon]

Hulk smash over here

[split lance]

[dusk void]

Threw something at the monitor, made a hole, continued smashing until there was nothing. And then I regretted my decision

[strong gulch]

If you slam your fist on your desk hard enough for something to jump and yeet itself into your monitor, that monitor just might break. (totally not based on a real life example)

[haughty star]

This one... makes me feel some type of way

[lethal lagoon]

Only time I had a real gamer rage was during the Elden Ring DLC. because I normally found souls games kinda easy. I didn't break anything though

[haughty star]

[split lance]

I’d like to thank god that I’ve never had a gamer rage moment

[lethal lagoon]

Your entire set up would be gone

I think your brain just understands the consequences

[split lance]

Yeah

Even dead drunk I’m much too rational

[dusk void]

Nah, hammered the monitor (too bad I don’t have pics cuz I was mad atm)

Never again will I destroy my good stuff

[split lance]

Fun fact when I got insanely drunk in Las Vegas I just talked about powerlifting for 3 hours

[strong gulch]

I expect nothing less.

[split lance]

I really wonder how darktide would feel drunk

I got a warframe world record while drunk

[strong gulch]

oh it's a time

[split lance]

https://youtu.be/4bn6L3Q6hY4?si=0Q1_6AR1VzBdeCO1

[dusk void]

Tried and I failed so bad 😆

[upper sun]

GAMES???

[strong gulch]

I remember drunktiding in old hab dreko (dreyko?) and trying to edge my perils with fire trauma. I was sweating so hard.

[strong gulch]

Ye. Need like 20 or 30 minutes.

[upper sun]

😭 its 11:30pm

maybe if my roommate doesnt wanna sleep early

[lament sapphire]

Is there some kind soul who might assist me in Malleus Monstronum? It is the last psyker penance I need

[lethal lagoon]

Meh, I'm bored. Post your fatshark friend code.

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/houseofknee-reaction-gif-23525681

[split lance]

Ill be home in 30

[lethal lagoon]

I'm so ready for brotato in an hour

[mossy oyster]

goated game

new DLC coming

[lethal lagoon]

We did co-op and we are down to our last 2 chars.

It's so much harder in co-op lmao

[mossy oyster]

oh yea co op now huh

even more goated

[lethal lagoon]

Local only unfortunately, but steam remote play has almost no issues

Welp that guy never responded, now I opened darktide for nothing

[ripe obsidian]

100% peril > Q to get to melee weapon > doesn't register > LMB > Pop

[upper sun]

what

[upper sun]

me

invite

[echo root]

Must be during endlag of an animation

[ripe obsidian]

Probably

It happens to me more than I would prefer

[late yew]

so what actually this talent does? Does it add damage?

[upper sun]

yes

not much

[ripe obsidian]

Wait, does flurry actually result in lower peril generation for a fully charged attack? Not the same amount of peril faster?

[upper sun]

ye

peril is counted as peril generated per second

faster peril charge = less peril at max

[ripe obsidian]

Well, that's nice. It's not a huge amount, but still

I guess it would be ~24% less at full stacks

Seems to be ~3.2% on a full Voidstrike charge. ~17.2% vs ~20.4%

[silent wigeon]

does it count as surge kills?

Smite*

[strong gulch]

Well fork.

[split lance]

@lethal lagoon there’s traffic

[strong gulch]

I can play now tho. Propbably too late.

[lethal lagoon]

I said what needed to be said #psyker-class message

[verbal thistle]

Has anyone tested assail cleave limit?

[strong gulch]

It does.

[split lance]

[strong gulch]

I forget everything tho a lot of it tho. I know with warp slitting, ethereal shards, and EP, you can pierce 10 groaners.

[verbal thistle]

I remember hamdulson did some testing

and found a weird cleave limit

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

[strong gulch]

Thank you.

[split lance]

@lethal lagoon I’m home bbg

[late yew]

999

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

I told you, spreadsheet with multipliers

#psyker-class message

[split lance]

How off am I

There’s no fucking way

[lethal lagoon]

Math baby

[split lance]

It took me an hour to drive home

Im not even fucking joking I was stuck behind slow ass cars

Mfers going 30 in a 45

Side by side

These fucks ruined my day

[lethal lagoon]

Anyways, I need to take my dog out, so I'll be on in 15.

[split lance]

oh ok

just saw this

lol

[split lance]

yes

lil bro is in my room

2 sec

[split lance]

V

[lethal lagoon]

The update added that, it's not real

[opal lake]

What perks are good on dueling sword. I'm running shred and precog for blessings, but I might swap shred.

[nocturne dust]

I should play Brotato now that I'm home again

but I already have a list of games that I should play 😭

[nocturne dust]

I recommend uncanny first and foremost on blessings (I would replace shred with it).

As for perks, anything you want to kill, really. I use maniac and unyielding on mk4.

[opal lake]

Do you really need uncanny? You can kill crushers and maulers fast enough without it

[strong gulch]

Uncanny is bis

[opal lake]

Why exactly?

Sorry I don't know all that much about darktide

Or at least the nitty gritty

[upper sun]

big damage on weakspot hits

[ripe obsidian]

Uncanny is more damage against almost everything

[upper sun]

and basically you wanna hit weakspots regardless

so its free damage amps

also the uncanny stacks are a personal buff

so if you have uncanny stacks you do extra damage against armor in general

[opal lake]

Yeah but doesn't precognition do that as well? And precog works on everything

Rather I should say that I feel like flak armor isn't really a problem for the dueling sword. I don't have hard numbers so please correct me if I'm wrong

[patent mango]

uncanny is just really good

[ripe obsidian]

Is Auric Maelstrom base difficulty HISTG? Or something else?

[nocturne dust]

Uncanny is just that strong. Precog is not comparable at all.

And at the end of the day, if you have ten crushers trying to murder you, you will absolutely feel uncanny

Plus, uncanny has a better activation requirement imo, a successful dodge requires the enemy do something (even if trivial), whereas weakspot hits is on you and easy to do.

Plus, precog has such a short duration.

but you can run both together anyway so if you prefer, do that

[buoyant maple]

Turns out giving urself 100% rending and completely ignoring armor damage as a mechanic is incredibly busted

[opal lake]

Yeah but that only affects crushers and maulers.

[clear heath]

it actually still gives you more damage

against other things

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't

Rending gives you bonus damage against everything that matters

[buoyant maple]

No, rending affects flak, maniac, carapace & unyielding

I have it written in detail in my veteran guide

[opal lake]

Yeah but headshots against flack will just kill it annexure

[clear heath]

ok then why do you need blessings at all?

by that logic nothing matters

[late yew]

it actually does not

[buoyant maple]

Uncanny strike is at minimum +24% damage (for attacks that have 1 or higher ADM)

[late yew]

You can absolutely do any map on any difficulty with white gear no blessings

and no talents

[clear heath]

even if dueling sword truly one shot everything flak and only struggled on bosses and crushers
...wouldn't you still run uncanny?

like I dont see the logic here

[late yew]

actually no, i would not

[clear heath]

meant to say dueling sword

[dreamy tundra]

trying to get more into gaze pysker and seeing a lot of vraks infantry autogun, how do I build it since I've not used it much

mixed up infantry and vigilant my b

[nocturne dust]

I'm not super familiar with gunker so someone more informed can correct me, but I believe the vraks is +flak/+maniac and deathspitter/dumdum

[strong gulch]

Iirc, second perk is more personal choice. Unyielding is the another that's up there. Not a gunker main tho.

first being flak

[ripe obsidian]

Surge/Flurry Voidstrike feels a lot better to play than Surge/Nexus.

[nocturne dust]

I wholeheartedly disagree, but it is a damage bump iirc

[ripe obsidian]

I'm still getting 40-50% ranged crits

[south gull]

Idk why anyone would run trauma eithought blazing

[strong gulch]

I hate how jiggly the pouches are. Go to the premium cosmetics shop and wiggle the model around.

[ripe obsidian]

With Nexus I am usually 55-65%

I have also dropped Quietude for Empathic Evasion

I did, however, swap +25% maniac for +5% crit.

[nocturne dust]

This choice disagrees with my sensibilities.

[ripe obsidian]

Why is this?

[nocturne dust]

EE ain't that great if you don't have it up.

Voidstrike slow.

even with flurry.

[dreamy tundra]

Thank you for the healp non gunkers

will be trying it out for a bit

[ripe obsidian]

I wish I could see how many hits it helped me avoid

[nocturne dust]

That would be nice.

[ripe obsidian]

Would allow me to make a more informed decision

[nocturne dust]

I think EE is a bit overrated. Even on Purgatus, I don't really need it

[ripe obsidian]

Quietude gives me 34 toughness on Venting Shriek

That is not very much

[nocturne dust]

....thas a lot tho

[clear heath]

yeah purg does enough suppression and stagger that you can live without it
but it is nice enough for a single point

i just take it anyways

hearing the miss sounds while i'm not moving is just funny, even though realistically i could just dodge while purging

[strong gulch]

You take EE when there is a mixed horde including shooters so you can burn everything down and fully ignore the reaper shooting you from behind (actually you had no idea the reaper was there just thought the game was making shooty sounds because it wanted to ).

[nocturne dust]

or just turn and boof the reaper

[clear heath]

simply spin more

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-spin-gif-21121522

[clear heath]

but yeah dealing with surprise reapers with less effort is nice qol

pretty good for a point

[strong gulch]

No. I had no idea it was there lol. (this wasn't even on purg. I accidentally put in on my surge build).

[austere warren]

Unyielding with the autogun and lasgun work well especially with scriers gaze and precognition.

If you're willing to mess around infernus and dumdum aren't a bad choice for doubling down with the recon lasgun but dumdum and deathspitter are the safer, easier to access options.

Vraks, I almost never do anything but dumdum and deathspitter. Doesn't matter how you swing it with the autogun, that combo is wild. You build your stacks with mag dumping groups or meleeing them, make sure your next mag is ready, get to 100% on scrier and then look at something again and it's dying

[strong gulch]

Don't mess with your builds when you're sleepy/

[nocturne dust]

I mean the surprise reapers/gunners only get me when there's nobody around me to body block the shots anyway

[strong gulch]

Yeah. I was especially alone. No brain, only vibes.

[austere warren]

For recon lasgun, the mk12 is better for just having a gun that shits out procs. I think the slower firing mark has better horde cleave from what I heard but just go for it.

Flak/maniac for safety, flak/unyielding or critical chance /unyielding or flak up to you

[strong gulch]

But yeah. On purg I always take EE. However, it is not essential. It is a comfort pick. KD is not essential, but I take that too. Positioning and being mindful reduces the value of those. I put bubble in a similar position as a comfort pick.

[nocturne dust]

Lies, KD is essential for when you wake the DH because of a mutie toss

[strong gulch]

@split lance

[split lance]

Me. At a constant rate

[opal lake]

@buoyant maple I read your guide and I see that you explained that uncanny does extra damage because of >100% rending but it doesn't compare the actual damage dealt but the different perks. Thanks for writing up the guide though, it looks great.

[split lance]

I broke the game to wake up a DH

[buoyant maple]

Wdym different perks

Like +25% flak?

[dreamy tundra]

Thank you so much!

Ill try one out when I get the chance

[austere warren]

mhm.

[dreamy tundra]

dump stat is still mobility on those guns right

[buoyant maple]

+%damage is additive with itself
Rending-excess damage is additive to +%damage
Rending normally affects Armor damage modifier which is multiplicative to +damage

[austere warren]

I personally don't always go for a 60% dump but it's solid on recon lasgun especially if you're taking empathetic dodge and the other dodge that's there on top of any movement speed bonuses you're naturally getting from disrupt destiny or scrier's gaze.

[nocturne dust]

I don't remember mutie tosses being part of the equation

[split lance]

SOMETIMES THEY ARE SOMETIMES THEY ARENT

[nocturne dust]

[opal lake]

Dealt by the different Blessings sorry I didn't proofread

[buoyant maple]

Which blessing

[austere warren]

Not having the best stability on a weapon that's good for spraying isn't an issue for the recon lasgun. For the vraks autogun, probaby just make sure your mobility is the dump as well since without being a weirdo of recoil control, you might want that stability to laser farther targets. If you happen to be taking assail, scrier's gaze and reliably cycling disrupt destiny for example, you have like three different ways to artificially boost your gunplay already yk?

It's like being worried about stability as a veteran running executioner's stance. Yes it's better overall and you'll notice that difference, but you're not exaclty losing in my experience since what you're already doing is boosting your ability to shoot guns well.

[opal lake]

Any of them. I assumed you had the damage numbers in your guide but that is my bad.

[buoyant maple]

I believe DS’s stab heavy atk is 330 damage base

Carapace is 240, so that’s about x0.727 ADM

Uncanny strike is +120% rending (capped to 100%, which would be ~27.3% actual rending and 72.727%/4 = +18.2% extra damage

[opal lake]

I think there is a mod where you can customize weapons in the psychanium so maybe I'll look into that and do my own testing

[buoyant maple]

Carapace has weakspot finesse modifier of x2.485

[opal lake]

I would like to know the damage numbers for other armors and blessings, but thank you for the help

I really appreciate it

[buoyant maple]

There’s a breakpoint calculator

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

It’ll just tell u damage

(It’s not fully accurate all the time)

[opal lake]

Oh I didn't know about that

Thanks again

[cold geode]

Dump stat for surge? Right now I have one that dumps crit, but I don't know if that still recommended?

[nocturne dust]

Warp res

[strong gulch]

That rec has been under debate for while.

[cold geode]

i was thinking resist

[nocturne dust]

Not sure that crit was ever a dump, lol

[strong gulch]

It was and is by some including Pygex.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah but Pygex also says wildfire is useless

[strong gulch]

I don't dump crit bonus. It's like a whole a crit chance perk.

And even if pre crafting update that really was the better dump, it's not true with ER now. With dumped WR and ER, it can be a struggle to generate enough peril to shriek exactly when wanted and get the full 6 SB stacks.

[clear heath]

Just got home and felt like checking.
It does reach the breakpoint actually. Reduces the corruption chunk of the first burster by enough to let you survive.
Would much rather accomplish this with 5% health perk instead due to other reasons, but this does work.

wtf why are the colours of my footage so fucked?

[zinc phoenix]

That is a lot of burster to eat

[cold geode]

hdr probably

[clear heath]

I don't have that on. Why is nvidia overlay recording in hdr?

weird

[zinc phoenix]

Breakpoint math is gamer astrology happy to help

[strong gulch]

Spawning bursters always gives me the ick.

[clear heath]

it's fun to launch yourself around the psykanium with them though

[strong gulch]

TRUE

favorite way to break the game

[ripe obsidian]

Is Auric Maelstrom Auric Hi Int + modifier or Auric HISTG + modifier?

[cold geode]

not sure, maybe its a gamma/brightness setting for video in the nvidia recording?

[buoyant maple]

I mean, if u can reduce corruption damage to be <100 from 2 explosions, that also works

But it’s usually not worth that much investment

[cold geode]

There is a game filter setting in the nvidia software that can do RTX HDR and a bunch of other filters

ALT + F3

[clear heath]

My other footage has not been like this before so pretty weird for it to be like this now

[cold geode]

You can alt+z then click the game filter and select none at the top

[clear heath]

yeah personally i would rather do 5% hp than invest into corruption resist

just more generally applicable

5% hp perk, 21% from curio blessing and the 10% from above warp rider node in the tree achieves what i want against bursters

[orchid ibex]

what blessings do you guys like on the combat blade with psyker?

[strong gulch]

@lethal lagoon @split lance Mind if I join?

[lethal lagoon]

It's our last game

[strong gulch]

ok cool beans

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah it just ended

[jovial juniper]

Uncanny Precognition

[orchid ibex]

@jovial juniper thanks!

[jovial juniper]

Folks would probably go Uncanny Riposte though

To bank on Psyker high crit chance

[strong gulch]

longer buff window too

[orchid ibex]

is it worth going melee crit chance on top of that for a perk?

[fiery stratus]

Where the VT2 players at i need weapon recommendations

[potent echo]

No

[potent echo]

For VT2?

[fiery stratus]

Yes

[potent echo]

Which character

Also the answer is Bretsword everytime

[potent echo]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1821186836

This is all you need

[vernal agate]

So this morning I woke up and booted up Darktide because I have no university today and the first thing I get is a team of 3 vets and me. A psyker

[potent echo]

Gaming

[vernal agate]

1 Vet goes down to a barrel. 2 vets go down to the same mauler

Peak veteran gaming

Lowkey I don’t understand people who say “oh vet is the most versatile class”

No. You’re not

[potent echo]

Time to work on your academic credits

[vernal agate]

You’re the shouty class

That’s literally your only purpose, the shout and plasma.

Stealth? Zealot does that better. Executioners stance? Psyker has scrier’s gaze

Just take the shout like a good little veteran lmao

[nocturne dust]

I mean, when they say versatile that doesn't mean variety

[spice veldt]

though exe's stance has other stuff

deterministic recoil, recoil reduction, stun immunity, enemies highlights

[vernal agate]

Fair

[spice veldt]

it shouldn't be looked at as a purely damage ult

[vernal agate]

Maybe I shouldn’t knock it till I try it

Veterans the only class I haven’t leveled to 30, and I have like 560 hours on Darktide

It just feels so boring lmao

[spice veldt]

stealth is also similar to VoC to me besides being on a longer cooldown (because of 100% toughness regen), and stealth is strong, though in a way that I personally dislike

i like vet for when i want to brainlessly shoot guns

[potent echo]

Vet has the best talents

If you want to use weapons good it's the class

On demand attack speed, headshot talent, elite damage talent, even bosses damage talent

Only class besides ogryn(?) that gets access to ranged attack speed too

[spice veldt]

zealot 😎

FotF affects ranged attack speed, and so does Inexorable Judgement (right-most keystone)

[potent echo]

Oh yea momentum affects ranged too

[vernal agate]

Maybe I’ll level it one day

[spice veldt]

one day (tm)

i only played the other classes once i booked in 1.5k hours into psyker

[ornate hamlet]

Best build for Pskyer using Assail, blaze force sword, and staff?

I’ve been trying out different types of builds but haven’t found one that I like yet

[nocturne dust]

Probably scrier's voidstrike

[ornate hamlet]

Aura?

[nocturne dust]

It mainly uses voidstrike with surge, assail is only for low visibility/spread out enemies, and you only use melee as an 'oh crap' which is why I prefer taking devil's claw for parry, but you can definitely use a force sword for that.

Some bits and pieces are towards my preference, like crit chance on voidstrike is definitely replaceable with +maniac or something

[ornate hamlet]

So Scrier’s Gaze is better than Telekine Shield for ability?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you can take bubble but it will hurt your damage a lot.

[nocturne dust]

and also anticipation vs empathic evasion, the latter of which you would need to take if you're going bubble

IMO, on this build bubble isn't worth it. You deal with enemies at range with either voidstrike or assail.

[ornate hamlet]

Gotcha

[sage plaza]

Quick question: Now that the Surge/Electrokinetic staff has Surge, does that give it only 2 primary shots?

Or can it also do the charge-zap twice at once?

[unreal wasp]

What's your Psyker's name, DeadVoid?

[nocturne dust]

Surge only works on lmb, much complaining has been had

Voidstrike stays winning

[sage plaza]

Ah ok

[nocturne dust]

Old-Man-Fondue

[unreal wasp]

Ah nvm, wasn't you, forgot you're a voidstrike enjoyer as well

[sage plaza]

So it still fires twice on the VOidstrike?

[unreal wasp]

Was an assail and revolver Psyker named "VOIDS", wasn't you

[sage plaza]

Voidstrike secondary I mean?

[nocturne dust]

Yes, Voidstrike is the only staff with surge working on RMB

[sage plaza]

Ok wonderful, thank you.

[nocturne dust]

I love staves too much to play gunker. Well, that and if I wanted to use guns I would play vet.

[unreal wasp]

Funny thing is I'm currently playing Vet and I'm using melee 99% of the time

DS4 on the weakpoint boy is fun

[nocturne dust]

Lol, melee vet is indeed funny

[unreal wasp]

Does a lot of fucking damage though

Didn't need to pick up ammo because the other Vet was a Survivalist and I only used my bolt pistol to kill Trappers, Bombers, Snipers, and Gunners

[nocturne dust]

I've still yet to use bolt pistol since the update. Like, I could, but also I have all these other toys I'm still getting used to

[orchid ibex]

@nocturne dust what do you normally use as a dump stat on the voidstrike?

[nocturne dust]

Blast radius

[orchid ibex]

thanks

[abstract totem]

Have you guys tried sustain fire on the electro staff just curious

[nocturne dust]

It's not very good. LMB builds want surge/warp nexus.

[abstract totem]

I’m talking about rmb although I know lmb is vastly better

[nocturne dust]

There's some debate about that. My opinion is RMB is better unless you're abusing quell cancelling.

[abstract totem]

Lmb is just ease of use it’ll be better for most players imo

[nocturne dust]

RMB is easy though? You don't even have to aim.

[primal plume]

Why do the walls curve like that?

[ripe obsidian]

I have decided I like Illisi more than DS4 with Voidstrike. Being able to keep my peril up in melee is nice, and makes it easier to use Creeping Flames effectively. I'm not good enough to swap from melee to ranged to keep peril up. I do miss being able to easily kill maulers and crushers, but voidstrike can do that well if I can make room.

Still unsure between flurry or nexus, though.

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't work for RMB.

I literally just checked cuz I thought so, and yeh, doesn't work on RMB

[zinc phoenix]

try ds2

[abstract totem]

Lmfao alright thanks for the field testing

[ripe obsidian]

Horde clear isn't causing me issues with the DS4. Tbh the only reason I'm picking Illisi is for peril generation

[nocturne dust]

Man, I never have peril generation issues with staves

[ripe obsidian]

I don't have issues when I am on the staff

I have issues when I swap to melee and can't find room to use the staff

[zinc phoenix]

why wouldnt you just shoot void balls at the ground to hit everything near?

[nocturne dust]

Fair, but at that point bring Devil's Claw and parry the enemies to death. Keeps up your peril too.

[nocturne dust]

This doesn't stagger most elites

[zinc phoenix]

sure but if youre surrounded by elites id say you have bigger problems than your peril meter

[nocturne dust]

I mean, even just one rager will stop you from using staff effectively

[zinc phoenix]

it depends heavily on the build

[nocturne dust]

On Voidstrike?

[zinc phoenix]

if im worried about ragers on voidstrike i probably have assail

because i went SG

[nocturne dust]

Well yes

but they went creeping flames

[ripe obsidian]

I don't really enjoy assail or SG

[nocturne dust]

which, to be fair, is still a build and is perfectly functional, even competitive with Scrier's Strike

[zinc phoenix]

voidstrike kinda mid on left side because its harder to mass murder close in hordes with it than the other staves (barring zap)

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike serves the same (slower) purpose as surge in hordes: triggering PC

combine that with wildfire and vent and it will deal with the hordes the same as surge (albeit slower)

[upper galleon]

surge is for killing the conga lines in hordes

doubly so now with a 100% cleave talent

[nocturne dust]

but warp splitting does almost nothing for surge

you need almost 100% peril for it to cleave anything at all

on lmb

and rmb doesn't benefit

oh wait

You're talking about the blessing

[teal fog]

whats the best left click build

[nocturne dust]

Surge/electrokinetic lmb spam

[zinc phoenix]

uninstalling tbh

[nocturne dust]

true

[nocturne dust]

If you want that build, I'm pretty sure Pygex has a build video on youtube combining it with EP smite. Most overpowered and boring build.

[upper galleon]

voidstrike

not electro staff

[nocturne dust]

I got that, lol

[ripe obsidian]

Taking Warp Expenditure over Mettle on a crit build is a choice

[nocturne dust]

They're also taking channeled force

[teal fog]

i saw someone say the other one was bad so i was testing channeled force briefly

[nocturne dust]

Channeled Force is the bad one

Empyric Shock isn't bad (in lmb builds)

[upper galleon]

i just hate m1 surge so much

i hates it

[nocturne dust]

same tbh

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-gif-1370089372361824289

[abstract totem]

Maybe gun is the better choice

[nocturne dust]

This is my recommendation. I find it distasteful, but here it is.

[abstract totem]

Is there any value to be had in charged strike

[nocturne dust]

no

It is less useful than anything else on the tree.

Which is impressive.

[strong gulch]

If you want funny bleed shocky knife, then not really.

[abstract totem]

That’s not saying much

But still sad

[nocturne dust]

Have you seen Unlucky for Some?

[abstract totem]

No I haven’t

[strong gulch]

Iirc there's an interaction with smaul, but I don't hear it talked about much. I'm guessing it's a meme.

[nocturne dust]

Smaul already electrocutes so it's 100% useless

other useless nodes include Purloin Providence and Warp Rupture

oh, and psychic Leeching

[abstract totem]

Oh boy how useful

[strong gulch]

Unlucky for some, the faster wield talent, mind in motion, are all dookie. So saying charged strikes is the most useless is kind asaying a lot.

[strong gulch]

I forget those even exist lol

[nocturne dust]

Yep, there are quite a few awful nodes, but they at least all do something

[broken carbon]

has the benefit of electrocuting all enemies on hit, whereas the shock maul needs to stagger the enemy or use the special

[nocturne dust]

whereas charged strike does like 70 damage over time

[broken carbon]

and high voltage applies to any enemy shocked

so stun grenades, smite, staff, itself

[abstract totem]

Gotta change my whole build now to get unlucky for some too much value to not have

[broken carbon]

etc

[nocturne dust]

that's still awful

[broken carbon]

absolutely

it is an extremely niche interaction

[radiant frigate]

what's warp rupture

[broken carbon]

but it is still an interaction nonetheless

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark, buff charged strike when

[nocturne dust]

The other vent node

[broken carbon]

i think that’s the alternative to shriek that’s not creeping flames

[radiant frigate]

oh lol

[nocturne dust]

I question how the single target node does less than half the damage of the node that nobody takes that can hit literally everything in front of you

well, single-target-ish.

[upper galleon]

meme shockmaul

[abstract totem]

I love obscurus

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/howdowetellhim-spongebob-how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-squidward-gif-7720972928804390137

[abstract totem]

Hey hey hey I might not doing a single thing better then the other two

But it’s very usable soooo it’s fine

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/it-seems-logical-spock-star-trek-the-original-series-it-seems-like-the-best-course-of-answer-gif-23455291

[abstract totem]

The can opening is surprisingly ok too

[teal fog]

i just feel bad for using it

even without macro

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yes. Most people here don't like it for a reason.

but y'know, do what you want.

[abstract totem]

I kinda want to build a heavy sword for the fun of it but that’s just also a big waste

[nocturne dust]

yes

[abstract totem]

However

The god emperor gave me curios to spend and I’m going to spend it

[frozen whale]

I need an all rounder

that does boss dmg

and kills specialist

[vernal agate]

Do yall have thoughts on gun psyker with like

A heavy sword

Instead of the usual duelling sword?

Like sometimes I feel like when I’m facing down a horde, I’d much rather have a heavy sword VS. a duelling sword, feels more efficient

[strong gulch]

I hear that the heavy sword and chainaxe exist on psyker. People have been whelmed.

[vernal agate]

And like, for elites and crushers/bosses I’m gonna use my gun anyways

[upper galleon]

basically just Brain rupture+ walls for boss killing

[strong gulch]

It's not huge amount of boss damage but def manages them if you are the only one who can boss dps is surge/ electro staff. It's particularly good at special killing.

[upper galleon]

there isn't really an option that both does great boss damage and also specialists

it's one or the other on psyker

surge/electro