psyker-class

[left basin]

malefic momentum + crack of ass + illisi + morb splitting = verey fune

[radiant frigate]

soulstealer now switched places with crack

[left basin]

kinda ass, but still verey fune

[nocturne dust]

I love crack

Gotta be one of my favorite drugs

Crack of Bone exists too

[left basin]

malefic momentum is made to make illisi Verey Fune

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cocainum-gif-21501772

[left basin]

just because you tap your special and immediately stack it to full

and continue pressing lmb

if you time it correctly i dont think psyker can do more damage in melee

all of that with scrier ofc

still ass because illisi is as mobile as a grandma on a mobility chair

[rancid geyser]

clowns at fat shark lied

warp siphon still hiding lmao

[left basin]

i got downed more that once because i wanted to mow down 7 ragers in a single 100% peril full scrier 15 DD mega bazong special illisi attack

[fiery wigeon]

indecipherable

[plucky flax]

use a hud mod to move it.

[left basin]

psyking

[plucky flax]

29 mins with 1 death (No KD hard). Blaze trauma is sort of back.

[primal aurora]

huh, there is a new system for blessings, wtf

[fiery wigeon]

grab yourself a dueling sword smh

[left basin]

not touching the ew

[fiery wigeon]

ds2 is so fun

[primal aurora]

ds2 is the worst, ds1 and ds3 are much better ||Elden Ring is better though||

[radiant frigate]

this is ds2 slander ||yet praising ds2 2||

[teal fog]

which one

[left basin]

ds0 is the good one

[plucky flax]

I think it's custom hud.

[radiant frigate]

also i think dueling sword really sucks vs multiple ragers

[nocturne dust]

"but they were all of them decieved, for another was made"

[radiant frigate]

cool you stunned one with your special

[nocturne dust]

ds4

[radiant frigate]

the other 8 are murdering you still

[left basin]

besides

[nocturne dust]

what melee prevents this tho

[left basin]

how will a ds2 even do anything that gives even a SLIVER of that dopamine

I WANT OBSCURUS TO BE GOOD

[nocturne dust]

make obscurus great again

[primal aurora]

wait a minute, you can play psyker with bolter now? well, mini-bolter

[broken carbon]

dclaw or heavysword

[broken carbon]

it was never great

[nocturne dust]

🤔

[teal fog]

i can only scale/move the icon

[plucky flax]

Yeah you move it right to the edge.

[broken carbon]

wha

[plucky flax]

So it hides the hotkey.

[jovial juniper]

Bolt Pistol
Bistol

[nocturne dust]

But it can be great again. You just have to make it great and then nerf it.

[broken carbon]

give psyker a psy bolter

[plucky flax]

Oh that might be another mod my bad.

[nocturne dust]

assail but spikier

[broken carbon]

psy bolters are an actual thing

they aren’t used by humans

grey knights use them

however

it’d be cool!

[nocturne dust]

sure but I like the idea of psyker launching literal bolts with their mind

[jovial juniper]

I knew the knights would be involved

[left basin]

quote "Psybolts are difficult to produce and incredibly wearing on a Bolter's inner mechanisms."

[broken carbon]

throwing a bolt shell really really hard

[left basin]

you're a bum in red clothes

[plucky flax]

I think it might be numeric UI. Check if there's an option to remove hotkey.

[left basin]

fire trauma feels weird. show ur trauma talent path

maybe i'm missing something

[left basin]

i dont feel like i am proccing the fart nearly as often as i used to before

[waxen jackal]

Warp unbound fixed finally?

[broken carbon]

a bum in red clothes that’s killed daemons, and has a level of control over powers that rivals grey knights

also slaughters thousands in 30 minutes

[fiery wigeon]

ew wildfire

[left basin]

still a bum in red clothes. there's probably quite a lot more people with a psyker on their account than there ever will be grey knights. ergo - still a red bum (but a powerful one (lore people are seething))

[fallow dock]

For gunkers there any reason to use the new columnus (old graia) or should u always be suing the agri or vraks?

[nocturne dust]

ew a wildfire hater

[fiery wigeon]

when did not hating on wildfire become a thing

that perk is so bad

[nocturne dust]

You're wrong but okay

[rancid geyser]

its nt bad just not alwys needed

some of yall got som drastic ass takes

[left basin]

yall all bad real psykers go scrierstrike

"mildfire mild"

"no you're mild :("

meanwhile bowling?????

[fringe garden]

Wildfire always seemed pretty negligible to me.

[nocturne dust]

si

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-fail-gif-22357582

[nocturne dust]

not my fault you can't bowl

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

i am the bowling

[nocturne dust]

you seem to be complaining about it a lot

[left basin]

this is older than you

i am the bowling

[plucky flax]

Just did 800k damage in 29 mins. Wildfire was like 200k

[left basin]

my favorite build must be wildly overpowered

[plucky flax]

[nocturne dust]

[pine sail]

Whats ur guys favoritre stick? I like the fire stick 🤪

[left basin]

it's BAD and you should FEEL BAD

(it's really good)

[nocturne dust]

ALL STAVES ARE BAD

ALL GUNS ARE BAD

[left basin]

gunkers can't be legally considered people

[fiery wigeon]

lightning stick

zappy

[nocturne dust]

THE ONLY GOOD WEAPON ON PSYKER IS OBSCURUS

[left basin]

weird take when ep smite

[fiery wigeon]

i don't believe you

[left basin]

which is objectively the best thing psykers can do

[nocturne dust]

• Brought to you by the nurgling foundation

[left basin]

i think all psykers should build for ep smite

[pine sail]

I like Obscurus because of the attack animations, but I use Deimos now

[left basin]

i want a match with 4 ep smiters

matter of fact i want ds zealots to have a version of ep smite

[nocturne dust]

It will take 10 years because of crushers and bosses

[fiery wigeon]

EP smite funni

[left basin]

that's why you get the ep smite on the zealots

[nocturne dust]

Only if Psyker gets their bible

[pine sail]

Do you guys ever use Seer's Presence with Curios for 4% Combat Ability Regeneration or is that bad? I use it with Venting Shriek.

[left basin]

I WANT BB TO BE A KAME HAME HA WITH THRUST

[fringe garden]

It's just unnecessary. The Psyker abilities cooldowns are never really a problem, I feel like

[left basin]

so i can JORK my PSYKE in a CORNER and then take half a monstrosity's shit in A SINGLE BOM

[nocturne dust]

BB should've been 1-hit kill with charge time depending on remaining health

[left basin]

seer presence + psykinetic aura + 3 cd shit = press f on 90 peril

pair it with a strong peril gen weapon

and extract dopamine from setting several directions of shit on fire

[nocturne dust]

warp siphon too

[left basin]

not Thuh Metuh, but really fun

[pine sail]

Yeah I know it probably isn't "optimal" but it's extremely fun, infinite fire to stagger enemies for my allies, my goal is to protect them mainly

[left basin]

using fire fart without warm siphon slightly singes my brain

[nocturne dust]

using shriek to protect

[left basin]

well i sometimes push dogs off of ogryns through walls

i feel very IN CONTROL when i do that

[nocturne dust]

Don't protect your allies, baconize your enemies

[pine sail]

I tried the shield and it wasnt working for my playstyle, I like having infinite ammo to stagger enemies or lightning them, because I see most games end because we are overwhelmed by hordes, not from ranged or specials

[left basin]

once i saved three teammates thru a wall from a dog visit

it was because i was spamming my trauma and went off somewhere to grab a single small diamantine

and stopped doing that

[pine sail]

I tried playing other classes to help allies, then eventually realized the best way to help my allies is to kill every enemy 🤪

It's also something I learned from Helldivers 2. The best way to support your allies is: Kill everything

[nocturne dust]

Most runs end because of specials from what I see. You get the full squad of evil going and players fail to kill them quick enough = bad time. Horde is just a distraction.

[jovial juniper]

Yeah that seems about right

[pine sail]

The way I'm thinking about it is, my allies can deal with specials easier if they aren't distracted by hordes

[nocturne dust]

True, but zealot is the horde mulcher.

[pine sail]

The specials get everyone when a horde is helping them

Zealot is my other highest level character right now, 26 Psyker 23 Zealot

[rancid geyser]

surge staff hehe

[nocturne dust]

Is not a horde clearer.

[rancid geyser]

lmb

try

[nocturne dust]

No

[analog agate]

Yeah, it was proccing it in the last week or so too. Just… could be on bruisers.

Obviously, KD is still a good tool for the oh shit moment or clutch revives. But i have found myself making use of it less and less as I have been increasing in skill. So I think KF is a side talent that can actually be recommended now

[nocturne dust]

Also I did put together an lmb build

still not clearing hordes

[rancid geyser]

doubt that

[nocturne dust]

It's decent, but not going to be enough on auric.

[rancid geyser]

literally aim head height and drag mouse

[nocturne dust]

unless you're quell cancelling, but I will never.

[rancid geyser]

i dont do that cringe

[nocturne dust]

Then no way is it horde clearing

[rancid geyser]

idk if im getting top damage and kills with lmb shooting into crowds it signifies something but gimmie a sec

can just clip

[blazing helm]

Is psyker the best class in the game?

[rancid geyser]

.>

[blazing helm]

Being able yo cc an entire hord seems insane

[nocturne dust]

why are you in #psyker-class if you don't already agree?

[blazing helm]

Xd

[nocturne dust]

smh my head

[blazing helm]

Sorry was just asking

[nocturne dust]

lol, I'm just japing but that's the kind of question to not get serious answers for

[analog agate]

What I have been doing. Agent’s is the more normal for sure though

And to head it off, I have not had a problem still staying in the sweet spot with peril still using tranq

[rancid geyser]

me thinks this counts as hoard clearing

was barely dragging to hit the doubles

and if there is elites you have Perilous Combustion and Wildfire as well

[nocturne dust]

wat is that red nonsense

heresy

[rancid geyser]

on the right, its one of my mods shitting itself

[wet belfry]

I think this might be a fairly poor example considering how the psykanium itself is layed out

[dusky crag]

How you're not annoyed by that is beyond me

[wet belfry]

You have so much room in the psykanium to move.

[rancid geyser]

i mean its not like i havent posted scoreboards either, you shoot even when shit is in melee

surge staff lmb legit is free atm

With moving space or otherwise

[nocturne dust]

doesn't really look like lmb horde clear to me. Yeah, you kill the horde but you use shriek (which yeah, is horde clear and not surge) and start off pretty far away in a pretty unrealistic open field. Ranged good on open field, who knew

[rancid geyser]

saying having space is a poor example is a bullshit response almost

[wet belfry]

It really isn't

[nocturne dust]

it's not at all

[rancid geyser]

i mean zealot uses abilities too tho >.>

[wet belfry]

Psykanium and reality are extremely different

you have to take into account how the terrain will effect your gameplay

[nocturne dust]

Zealot can horde clear without them.

[rancid geyser]

okay so if i did in a long hallway would it be that much better?

[nocturne dust]

how about a short hallway

[wet belfry]

Even in long hallways the game punishes you pretty fucking bad in actual games

[nocturne dust]

where you will obviously get swarmed, lol

[rancid geyser]

i could but im asking would a long hallway be bullshit too

[wet belfry]

because it makes hordes come from all directions in the hallway

[rancid geyser]

like thats mad arbitrary when the point is to show that i can handle hordes

not handle hordes in a specific situation

or map

[wet belfry]

Game is pretty good nowadays at making hordes surround the player.

[rancid geyser]

mad arbitrary

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you can handle hordes

but that doesn't make lmb spam a good horde clear

it's decent, but that's a low bar

[rancid geyser]

what do you even consider good at that point lmao

oh it has to be melee

oh i have to be able to cleave heads

lets narrow it now, what makes good horde clear

[wet belfry]

Trauma

[rancid geyser]

dog

next

[nocturne dust]

Inferno, Recon, Columnus, Trauma, even Voidstrike if you can line them up

[rancid geyser]

recon? and columnus play the same way as lmb, AND IM A VET COLUMNUS LOVER

[nocturne dust]

I mean you'll waste ammo on the guns, but you can absolutely use them to horde clear

[nocturne dust]

Play the same way... and? I didn't say it was the playstyle, lol

[rancid geyser]

iight let me see a horde clear example

imma need that

[nocturne dust]

I'm not even at my pc 😔

Gimme like an hour or something

[carmine agate]

ooo kinetic flayer is fixed??

nice

shld i use purg or trauma first hmm

[fresh reef]

Anyone else find the moebian 21st hordes kinda annoying to play with?

Load into a quickplay, find Moebians, all my horde clear breakpoints are now fucked

[broken carbon]

only with dclaw

it takes so long to kill them with dclaw

[analog agate]

Good on both

[patent steeple]

I myself use flayer only on purg, because Blaze Trauma is already good enough for packs of elites and my blaze trauma build can't afford both Flayer and Resonance anyways...

[analog agate]

Yeah, it isn’t necessary (we have been doing perfectly well without it). It just adds some more oomph is all.

[zinc phoenix]

any hot takes about the agni vs munitorum shock maul?

[patent steeple]

I haven't used either in a loooonnng time...

[zinc phoenix]

ok so why are you pinging me?

[patent steeple]

are they decent now or something

[fresh reef]

They certainly are

They can

[summer prairie]

If you don't have to frontline or have space, I guess surge lmb is good horde dps. It's almost 3 shots a second with no quell cancel and that's without surge procs. Kind of moot though if you run creeping flames, you should be shooting at other things

[late sapphire]

It's called a reply, it's a discord built in feature they added back in 2020.

[jovial juniper]

Uh idk
They are pretty similar but the Indi is the popular one

[nocturne dust]

https://youtu.be/kZCh3kCu3ds Added trash for good measure

[rancid geyser]

i mean thats 32 seconds vs 33second between the 2 clips

also i have some loading

[rancid geyser]

literally me being brain dead and detrimental to my team because i am lagging to grab clips

[zinc phoenix]

"anyone have an opinion on X"
*PING* "i have no opinion on X"

why do i need to know this

[rancid geyser]

matter of fact i cleared almost 50 in 23 seconds

i dont see how you can say that isnt good at horde clear, not claiming its the best

[nocturne dust]

Right, but trauma is largely number agnostic but you add a bunch of extra trash to your original clip and suddenly it isn't the same amount of time

[rancid geyser]

but that most def is, either way there are some clips of me lagging and still carrying

[clear heath]

no

[fresh reef]

Ngl, I'm starting to think I should run double wounds again

[zinc phoenix]

no

[rancid geyser]

the thing is its not agnostic when you are clearing with talents

[late sapphire]

It is kind of a meaningless reply but it's not like the ping hurts you or anything - getting upset over the ping itself is silly.

[fresh reef]

Not for the downs, but going from 50% to 75% corruption instakill threshold feels nice

[zinc phoenix]

i hope this ping hurts you

[zinc phoenix]

in a spiritual way

[late sapphire]

You want to know what hurts me?

[zinc phoenix]

nno

[rancid geyser]

like im not being a dick here but if talents are applied why would you not use them, no one spoke about agnostiscism because if we were neither of use did talent agnostic tests

[late sapphire]

this fucking thing

[rancid geyser]

like actually

[late sapphire]

God i hate discord so so deeply

[zinc phoenix]

i agree actually that is annoying

anyway i like shock maul its fun

the special having the old deimos stun is great

[nocturne dust]

only if you make use of shriek, which in no way means the lmb is good, it means shriek is good or you use perilous combustion, which again is reliant on there being a target that works on which fair enough, but I don't think that's the lmb spam talking. It's the perilous combustion.

[zinc phoenix]

but without the windup

[late sapphire]

Where is the venting shriek only video

[zinc phoenix]

so many times ive saved people by shock maul special into crusher beatdown

[nocturne dust]

never

[rancid geyser]

you are using wildfire in your example no?

[late sapphire]

Where you shriek and then go off in a corner n play around with a stim for 15s and turn around and its cleared

[rancid geyser]

does that mean i just attribute your clear to wildfire?

no

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I can clear in a similar amount of time without blaze trauma and you very well know it

[late sapphire]

6 stacks of soulblaze clear chaff

[rancid geyser]

and exactly venting shriek can do shit on its own

[rancid geyser]

its still not talent agnostic

its legit a moot argument

[nocturne dust]

well, yes, that was never in dispute

[rancid geyser]

and better does not mean other things are not good

[late sapphire]

So if you toss a full shriek into a horde of chaff anything you do after is kind of meaningless because they're already marked for death 5 blaze ticks from now

Whether that's trauma rmbs or surge lmbs

[nocturne dust]

but my point wasn't that it was talent agnostic, my point was that the lmb spam isn't doing the horde clear

[rancid geyser]

IT WASNT

YOU DIDNT HAVE AN EMPTY TREE

literally not talent agnostic

[nocturne dust]

Hold on lemme empty my talent tree

[rancid geyser]

and you can see that lmb is still killing adds

[clear heath]

sorry you must only compare weapons with empty talent trees and grey weapons

[rancid geyser]

you legit argument is that there are better options which there are

but you stating its not good requires som arbitration

[late sapphire]

the thing with this video is, though

you could have put all of the lmbs into the void

[rancid geyser]

which you are currently searching for

[late sapphire]

and then 85% shrieked

and they would also have died

lmb surge horde clear is ok but it's not that great

You use it as an interstitial while you can't shriek

[rancid geyser]

cool but at the same time i never claimed surge to be good ON ITS WON, stuck in a Vaccum where you use no ancillaries

this legit has been another weird ass argument

i simply stated surge is good for horde clear -- they say no and only come up with better choices

[nocturne dust]

lmao so is my DS4. Killing adds is a thing literally anything that does damage can do.

[rancid geyser]

many things are better than others in a general area

that does not mean things arent good

[late sapphire]

Well, it isn't the surge that is doing the horde clear really

[rancid geyser]

and the only thing you can do to prove is to pull arbitrary variables

[late sapphire]

A surge build is ok for horde clear

[rancid geyser]

like needing to be agnostic

[late sapphire]

The surge weapon is mediocre at best

[nocturne dust]

this was entirely my point

The staff isn't doing the horde clearing

[rancid geyser]

well i was talking about lmb build

literally

[late sapphire]

Yes

You are right in that regard

[rancid geyser]

wouldnt even need context, some ppl shoce to ommit the context

really

[late sapphire]

But your language was imprecise which caused deadvoid to assume you were saying something else

[rancid geyser]

bro

[late sapphire]

Which got you into a meaningless tiff

[rancid geyser]

if we are talking about being precise imma have to be a dick and say neither argument was

[late sapphire]

Idk this is just spergery

[minor kiln]

lmb is not enough for horde clear, you need smite

[nocturne dust]

No, I was talking about lmb spam (without quell cancel which I specified)

[rancid geyser]

again we are pulling at straws

[late sapphire]

You really don't need smite

[rancid geyser]

so i had to have a limitation when you had none in your example basically

[fresh reef]

Please be bait please be bait please be bait

[rancid geyser]

one person spoke in a general manner the other in a specific

[sacred crane]

yummers

[rancid geyser]

also even if quell cancling was what i was talking about that is still an avenue for argumentation

[nocturne dust]

I didn't use quell cancel either 🤷‍♂️

[rancid geyser]

really is

[clear heath]

lmb on its own is still like, passable horde clear

[crude cape]

does both laspistol and heavy laspistol perform reasonably well on gunker?
is heavy generally better?
I know they wont have the output of a recon las or a columnus or something but - they do ok right?

[nocturne dust]

I agree.

[rancid geyser]

yeah problem is i asked him what was good and they couldnt answer

only give examples of certain choice

[nocturne dust]

wtf you mean

I literally did answer

[minor kiln]

lmb can horde clear if they come towards you in a narrow corridor. But if you have a lot of space ard, you need smite.

[rancid geyser]

an example without explaination healps no one

i asked what is good you said las gun, vraks etc

why

[nocturne dust]

wtf you want, a kpm?

[rancid geyser]

why is is it good

why do you consider it good

what makes something good

lets get critical

[frigid sparrow]

Can we discuss chain axes? Any tips on them?

[rancid geyser]

is it only good when its talent agnostic?

[fresh reef]

The faster one is better by a landslide in terms of dps

Both are solid though

[rancid geyser]

is it only good when its ability agnostic

is it only good when its better than another choice?

[primal aurora]

You have to worship Khorne to be good with these

[rancid geyser]

what makes it good

and what doesnt

[nocturne dust]

Bro, you're just picking as hard as you can at this point. We both know there were 0 expectations of this amount of specificity when this argument started, you're just being ridiculous now.

[rancid geyser]

no im just asking

what makes something good at this point

[jovial juniper]

Accatran 2 is considered the best one

Just aim for the head

[rancid geyser]

because the only response to me saying the staff was good was just posting something arbitrarily better -- does that mean its not good and if so why?

[late sapphire]

las pistol works well with infernus

[rancid geyser]

i don't think that is wrong to ask

[late sapphire]

the mk2 shoots faster and is generally better

[nocturne dust]

Because there are significantly better things and a lot of things reach the same bar of horde clear?

[late sapphire]

You can kill gunners and the like in a few shots, maulers go down reasonably well too, the burn damage does well vs bosses

[nocturne dust]

Good is relative of course

[rancid geyser]

obviously

some ppl only thinkg the extremes can be good

[late sapphire]

Good is not relative i think

[rancid geyser]

that is the deduction here

[fresh reef]

Ds4 is good and every other melee is bad

[late sapphire]

Something is good at horde clear if it clears hordes well

Not if it clears hordes better than the rest

[nocturne dust]

Cool, but what makes it clear hordes well?

[rancid geyser]

after reading the response it really is the only solution i can inference, it has to be on the extreme end of something to be considered good

cant be middling or slightly about that

[clear heath]

my friend was doing lmb spam without shriek in an auric with me and his hoard clear was still like, fine.
Like clearly not great, but he def had enough to do like 1/3rd of the hoard clear our team needs.
I wouldn't say "not enough for auric" if it's enough to make up the teamslot
unless you mean, "not enough to solo auric"

[nocturne dust]

Well yes

[nocturne dust]

middling would be decent

[late sapphire]

if you can clear hordes quickly enough on mael that they don't build up, it's decent

[rancid geyser]

exactly the point im getting at

[late sapphire]

If you clear quickly enough that you can move freely through a horde i'd call it good

[rancid geyser]

all the clips i replied with were on auric to them as well

[late sapphire]

Surge as is is barely decent for horde clear

[rancid geyser]

.>

[late sapphire]

Given a surge build that clears hordes well, swapping out surge for other staves would still have it clear hordes well or better

[rancid geyser]

imma say killing 50 dudes before needing to quell is good

[late sapphire]

Therefore, it is not the surge in these builds that is responsible for the well horde clearing

[nocturne dust]

using shriek with buddies that seems at least decent if not better

[nocturne dust]

nah, quell is meaningless in this

[clear heath]

like 3 people spamming it without shriek and 1 empty team slot would be enough horde clear for auric
so i don't agree with "not going to be enough on auric" unless we're talking duos or solos

[rancid geyser]

wtf do you mean quell is meaning less

thats the kind of arbitration im not entertaining

[frigid sparrow]

Whats everyones opinions on Mk IV vs XII for chain axes?

[late sapphire]

4 people stamming staff bash is enough for auric idk

[nocturne dust]

I mean quell is an arbitrary cutoff

[late sapphire]

One saws on heavies, the other on lights

[nocturne dust]

"this is good because you can kill 50 before quelling"

Well ds4 is technically horde clear now /s

[late sapphire]

Take the one with bashing lights and sawing heavies

[jovial juniper]

Orestes 12

[frigid sparrow]

The heavy attack is wide swings and light attack is single target?

[late sapphire]

Idk which one that is though

[nocturne dust]

the bigger mk

[rancid geyser]

its bad because something else can do it better is still a nihilistic take only based on the extreme where something else just outshines another

[frigid sparrow]

Mk IV?

[late sapphire]

Other way around

[rancid geyser]

not a very productive argumentation

[late sapphire]

crowd clear lights and single target heavies

Probably the mk12

[wind spruce]

This is neither horde clearing nor good

[nocturne dust]

It's not bad because something else can do better. It's decent because multiple other things can do better.

[sacred crane]

precog or riposte for mk2 ds?

[wind spruce]

An hour of arguing settled.

[late sapphire]

Are you using it a lot or a little

Precog is better if you really get into the thick of things and are actively dodging and attacking at the same time

[nocturne dust]

I should eat.

[late sapphire]

Riposte is better if you use it in low intensity situations where you might dodge, run, stab a special, swap to staff

[sacred crane]

quite a bit

[wind spruce]

Always take riposte, it's better in 99% of situations

[nocturne dust]

thrust my beloved

[late sapphire]

thrust SUCKS

[nocturne dust]

no u

[late sapphire]

you SUCK, deadvoid

Booooo!

[nocturne dust]

I do suck. Ti-

[wind spruce]

Its really that simple. Pregoc stans do not understand what they're talking about.

[analog agate]

Riposte sucks if you never dodge 🤷‍♂️

[broken carbon]

precog unless you’re going for crits

[rancid geyser]

wait so how is that not horde clearing?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[late sapphire]

Are you recommending shred then?

[broken carbon]

well you suck if you never dodge

[late sapphire]

Shred sucks if you use heavies for mobility

Which you should be doing

Anyways i run uncanny riposte because it's peak

[wind spruce]

And precog sucks even if you dodge all the time.

It's the 90 IQ pick

[minor kiln]

The horde are running to you in one direction. And it is still slow compared to literally every other staff.

[thorn cedar]

perfect for me

[analog agate]

Honestly, I would probably get more use out of shred/thrust/the other new one. I still use riposte… for whatever reason. I guess boss dmg

[nocturne dust]

Why does precog suck but riposte not?

[rancid geyser]

again, something better does not mean the former is not good

at this point any time something is better we should just stop calling other things good

like thats really what im getting lmao

[wind spruce]

For once in a Fat Shark game the answer is in the description. Its very obvious.

[minor kiln]

No, everything is on a bell curve. If so many other alternatives are better, it is no longer considered good.

[thorn cedar]

anyone wanna place bets on Warp Splitter + Assail getting their interaction removed or no

[sacred crane]

Precog makes me feel like this mf when fighting bosses with a dueling sword

[nocturne dust]

the duration?

[wind spruce]

Bingo.

It's pure garbage because of the duration.

And i mean F tier nonsense.

[analog agate]

2 sec right? So, one stab about. A stab and a jab

[late sapphire]

This just in

Zealot duelist talent is dogshit

[wind spruce]

Yep, one stab per dodge

[late sapphire]

Because irosk says so

[thorn cedar]

duelist is much better

longer duration and by its own silly language rules the crit headshot mod is 100%

[late sapphire]

3s

two stabs

[nocturne dust]

You're correct, just remove 'duelist talent' from your sentence

[broken carbon]

precog is good lol

[late sapphire]

I run uncanny precog on zealot it performs very well

[thorn cedar]

yes but it doesnt cost you a blessing slot

[broken carbon]

it’s much more consistent damage on a weapon that has amazing dodges

[thorn cedar]

only reason it's 'bad' is if you're not pathing down left side tree or you're still crutching on Until Death

[broken carbon]

if you can’t get value out of precog that’s just a skill issue lmfao

[late sapphire]

Calling until death a crutch is wild

[wind spruce]

No one's saying you get zero value out of it. You just objectively get way more out of riposte

[late sapphire]

Let me guess man gromril curse is a crutch too

[waxen jackal]

Is there a way to delete load outs? I accidentally made like 5

[thorn cedar]

no cause Gromril was one of three choices and Gromril was far and away the better

[analog agate]

Right click on top right icons. Delete should be at the bottom of the icon options

[late sapphire]

It's free error tolerance

Then again i run fotf anyways

[rancid geyser]

hover the icons - right click and the delete option is below

[thorn cedar]

if you're weighing left vs. right side above TDR aura, left side is so much fucking better unless you'e using a weapon that essentially never pushes or push attacks and has absurdly low finesse values

[sacred crane]

Now that recon mastery done, what mastery shall i do next

[jovial juniper]

Well I think it was never supposed to be since base Assail would hit 2 targets and disappear

[waxen jackal]

I'm on console. Ill see what Google says. Good to know it's possible tho

[thorn cedar]

the only reason you go right side is because you still find your ass blasted, or you just find it more fun

[late sapphire]

Desperation sucks

[analog agate]

Yeah. However you can switch what your loadout icons look like

[thorn cedar]

ye the interaction doesnt make sesne to me. assail is a flat cleave number and isn't hitmass based, but it still gets boosted by Warp Splitter. Cleaving six targets with one Shard is lols

[nocturne dust]

middle because I as a zealot hate corruption

[late sapphire]

five...

[thorn cedar]

middle is based

Hammer of Faith is supremely overlooked, but I get why

[thorn cedar]

either way, weird fucken interaction

[jovial juniper]

That's exactly what I've been thinking

[thorn cedar]

not like assail needed a fucken buff right

OR SMITE FOR THE MATTER

FATSHARRRRK

[spice veldt]

WOOOOOOOO

[late sapphire]

I think they should keep buffing smite

[thorn cedar]

kill arco

[late sapphire]

Warp Splitting should up the number of smite targets

[spice veldt]

quite rude

[broken carbon]

rashad got buffed too so

[thorn cedar]

sry ur right that was too far

[broken carbon]

not really surprising

[nocturne dust]

Idk, I felt like assail needed something without true aim, so it makes sense to me when they nerfed true aim

[thorn cedar]

slightly impede the daily routines of arco

[spice veldt]

assail would be fine to me even if they cut it's max shard count by half

[jovial juniper]

And it should work on the Kino staff zap

[thorn cedar]

i mean they just boosted the output of each shard by fucking two so

may as well half the ammo count

do ANYTHING

[spice veldt]

since it has good stagger, besides if you discount absolute degenerate options like smite or trauma as comparison points

damage isn't the only value that I see in assail

[broken carbon]

decrease shard regen speed, halve the shards, increase how long they last, increase damage

[nocturne dust]

Warp splitting should up the number of BB targets

[broken carbon]

i want them to last some time

they look cool

[late sapphire]

Fixed an issue where the Psyker ‘Warp Unbound’ talent did not properly prevent a Perils of the Warp explosion when using Force weapons (e.g. Force staves).

is this true?

[thorn cedar]

idk that ability is a crutch

[late sapphire]

I think you are very dumb

[thorn cedar]

HAH gottem

[nocturne dust]

Haven't tested yet, kinda hard to because the timing is so precise

[jovial juniper]

Didn't test yet

[late sapphire]

warp unbound surge staff boom yes no

[nocturne dust]

for voidstrike exploding yourself with warp unbound at least

[broken carbon]

throw a shard when peril reaches 98

if u explode

then there u go

[nocturne dust]

who the freak cares about surge, smh my head

[broken carbon]

it’d be easier to do if you start at high peril already

[late sapphire]

I am busy right now staring at the thesis submission screen wondering if i should hit the button now or tomorrow so i cant test

[nocturne dust]

doesn't seem to boom?

[jovial juniper]

Well you'll need to throw more shards because Gaze has a safety net of 1.5 secs

[nocturne dust]

no boom boom

[waxen jackal]

Does SG interact well with smite? Or should I go towards shriek with it?

[nocturne dust]

smite no crit

[thorn cedar]

It basically has no interaction at allm

[late sapphire]

Some people like to use warp unbound to smite but it sucks

Smite shriek is canonical

[thorn cedar]

You could still use it for its base utilities if your weapons are good for SG but thats it

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[thorn cedar]

The real benefit if any is being able to path to Psykinetics Aura and Malefic Momentum

[jovial juniper]

Smite has no interaction with half of your tree

[thorn cedar]

No Smyker is an island

[waxen jackal]

Cool, I was trying to make my own build for the first time. Gonna use the same weapons as my SG build.

[nocturne dust]

Smite doesn't need interaction with half of your tree

[jovial juniper]

Don't think you'd stay 20 seconds on Gaze to get some good extra damage

[waxen jackal]

Charged strike doesn't seem worth taking

[jovial juniper]

Yeah I think that's one of my irks with smite

[late sapphire]

It sucks

[waxen jackal]

I might just say fuck it and make a trauma blaze build.

[nocturne dust]

Charged Strike is good actually. Just don't compare it to other things in the game.

Like anything in the game.

[shrewd comet]

should all my curios look like this? https://i.imgur.com/lFxlqZs.png

[thorn cedar]

because it's horrible

[waxen jackal]

Enfeeble seems worth it

[thorn cedar]

Charged Strike competes with an Unspent Talent Point

[nocturne dust]

enfeeble is.... acceptable.

[waxen jackal]

And I definitely gotta get perilous assault. Must have

[jovial juniper]

You won't really need a third gunner resistance

[thorn cedar]

Souldrinker and Perilous Assault should really swap places on the tree

That's me anyway

[shrewd comet]

how come?

[nocturne dust]

Souldrinker should take Perilous Assault's place and perilous assault shouldn't take souldrinker's place

[jovial juniper]

So on the third curio get some Generic corruption resistance or something

[waxen jackal]

Yeah the whole reason I was switching around my build is cuz I wanted to get use outta souldrinker, but now it's on the other side of the tree and I can't get it

[nocturne dust]

Get poxburster resist

[jovial juniper]

Apparently there's some diminishing returns at 3 resistances

[shrewd comet]

is there?

[nocturne dust]

But that doesn't mean it's not useful

If you really hate gunners, go ahead and take a third

lol

[thorn cedar]

There is.

Starts at 20%, and then the next 20% reduces based on the left over damage. It's not additive.

[waxen jackal]

And just so I can understand warp siphon better, it's pretty much just a way to reduce cooldown?

[thorn cedar]

Three 20%'s is 48.8% iirc

[shrewd comet]

how much would 2 give?

[thorn cedar]

But i don't wanna maff

[shrewd comet]

oh

xD

[thorn cedar]

Nuuu i dont wanna

[shrewd comet]

so it becomes multiplicative

[thorn cedar]

36%

[nocturne dust]

36%ish

[shrewd comet]

hmm

darn near 50% DR sounds kinda sweet

[nocturne dust]

Can confirm

Laugh at gunners

[shrewd comet]

exactly

[nocturne dust]

Take snipers to the face

die immediately to fire

[shrewd comet]

i actually rarely ever get hit by snippers

so is three toughness curios the way to go for a psyker?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I rarely get hit by snipers or gunners but there's no 'screw you trapper' option 😔

[shrewd comet]

if only gromril armor was a thing xD

[wintry patio]

I personally prefer 2 tough 1 health. Don't know why but I avoid going down more often that way

[nocturne dust]

The general recommendation is 3 tough or 3 health, depending on ER

[lone ravine]

Ogryns feel no pain should remove trapper net fr

[shrewd comet]

whats ER?

[nocturne dust]

empyric resolve

[shrewd comet]

oh capisce

[analog agate]

I do 2 health and 1 stam. But I always am using ER for my builds.

[nocturne dust]

if you take it, toughness kinda hurts and you need toughness regeneration on your curios in addition to health curios

[shrewd comet]

so with ER, should i be using hp?

[nocturne dust]

well, 'need' is a strong word

but you'll probably want it

[shrewd comet]

i guess what i should do is post my build and then ask about curios lol

[rancid geyser]

Hp is more valuable if you arent running much toughness gen

[waxen jackal]

With smite, empowered psyonics almost feels like a must, should I just grab all of the keystone modifiers?

[rancid geyser]

ppl often take less toughness gen and then complain about being squishy with ER tho

which is counterintuitive

[thorn cedar]

tbh the only must is the +1 target bounce

[analog agate]

Well, those people suck

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/madara-cse-madara-madara-uchiha-madara-weak-cse-person-disgusts-me-weakness-disgusts-me-gif-11159969734586375305

[wintry patio]

yes, I don't think smite is worth it without empowered psyonics

[fallow dock]

Agreed

[thorn cedar]

its a significant increase in the amount of perils you need to hit the same number of bodies, plus if spreads faster

[waxen jackal]

Oh I meant in empowered psyonics

[thorn cedar]

oh right

[wintry patio]

Don't get the middle one but yeah get the 3 stacks

[waxen jackal]

Should I do the 12.5% overall chance? Or the EP on elite kill?

[nocturne dust]

yeah overpowering souls and charged up are both good

[thorn cedar]

middle one is pretty cute if you have points left over, its a decent boost that doesn't rely on killing stuff

[wintry patio]

eh, I prefer elite kill

[rancid geyser]

elite kill is guarenteed

[thorn cedar]

i just wouldnt try to hard to take it

[rancid geyser]

less RNG - the better

[nocturne dust]

Bio-lodestone isn't that great, wouldn't recommend. Has a really hard time competing with the elite kill one.

[wintry patio]

Yeah, it's nice EP gives you so many extra points to work with but I'd personally take other options

[jovial juniper]

Base WS is just cooldown
You take the extra nodes for the +damage or -peril

[waxen jackal]

I might end up having some points left over. After I finish making this build, I'll post it here. See how I did for my first time.

[analog agate]

Only time I wouldn’t recommend the charge on Elite kill for EP is if you play malice or something where there a lot less elites

[wet flax]

what's the dump stat for voidblast (trauma) staff?

[analog agate]

Warp res

[nocturne dust]

quell speed

[wintry patio]

using smite out of auric physically pains me

[waxen jackal]

I'm typically heresy+

So I might switch it if I'm leveling a weapon or something tho

[fallow dock]

I mean it’s good if someone’s down in a pack of enemies and someone else can pick up for them while u stun, but yeah I agree mostly I’m just be using melee or staff

It’s really just for unfucking bad situations

On non-auric

[pine sail]

What's wrong with Smite? I don't understand, I'm new

[sacred crane]

It can sometimes actively grief and make the game unfun

[analog agate]

Since you got 2 answers which can be correct I will break it down. Having 80 warp res will get you a small blast extra staying the sweet spot of high peril. Taking 80 quell speed makes it 2 ticks vs 3 ticks quelling. Equivalent to about 0.4-0.5 sec

[thorn cedar]

It's boring when overused.

[wintry patio]

You can murder hordes with it, but the lower difficulties don't have as many enemies so all you're going to do is piss off your team

[nocturne dust]

nothing really, some people just dislike the fact it staggers enemies a ton.

[waxen jackal]

Y'all have any idea why I keep getting the message issue found with current loadout? I don't have anything that would effect it

[sacred crane]

The times smite should be used is if you and your team are being rushed down by things like ragers and crushers

[wintry patio]

I had to swap out my weapons in order to make that go away. After I swapped back it was fine

[fallow dock]

It’s mostly how ppl use it, there are plenty of bad psykers who waste all their peril smiting two groaners in front of them instead of helping deal damage against actual threats

[pine sail]

Yeah I noticed if I do a Smite with empowered psyonics correctly on lvl 3/4 I can kill the whole horde alone, but I never imagined it would bother allies. Usually they have gear for killing big stuff, not hordes.

[waxen jackal]

Thanks

[wet flax]

I see! thanks for the info!

[pine sail]

Yeah I mostly use staff/sword and only pull out Smite when things are starting to look bad. Spamming it seems inefficient, it does generate tons of peril

[fallow dock]

Yeah exactly, sadly most non-auric smitekers don’t seem to understand that

[pine sail]

But I also like that it generates more peril sometimes, to regen toughness faster with the talent Warp Expenditure

[pine sail]

I want to go into higher difficulties like Auric because 3/4 are smooth for me, but waiting until I am lvl 30 first

[fallow dock]

It’s the same thing with getting mad at the plasma bet for using all the ammo on pox walkers

[fallow dock]

Ahh nice nice is psyker the last one you’re leveling up?

[pine sail]

So many people waste ammo in this game, it's probably one of the reasons I switched from Zealot to Psyker

[jovial juniper]

Bad players gave it a bad name
It's a powerful tool scaling with sheer enemy numbers that can kill lots of stuff when paired with proper tools
And they use it to stop 3 enemies

That could be killed

[fallow dock]

Issue with smite summed up:

[jovial juniper]

With a single swing

[waxen jackal]

This is what I have so far. I was thinking blazing trauma build.

[lethal lagoon]

Can make the game less fun
Reduces cleave damage
Ruins choke points
Damages team positioning
Is unreliable

[waxen jackal]

The three points going to souldrinker I just put there because I didn't know where else to put them

[lethal lagoon]

[pine sail]

I did Zealot, then Psyker, then Veteran, now back to Psyker, I was trying to use builds for "helping allies" but it honestly felt completely useless, I support them and they still die/go down/do nothing/waste all ammo lmao, so I realized Psyker fixes a lot of my problems. Help my allies by killing everything and not using a gun gives them more ammo too

[lethal lagoon]

wtf is that left side?

[fallow dock]

Fair enough

[lethal lagoon]

remove all three of those points

what are those points in smite?

Remove those too

[waxen jackal]

I was told those 2 were good

[lethal lagoon]

I mean... I guess.

But why are you running blaze trauma

And Ep smite?

[waxen jackal]

Or the jump was good, the other wasn't.

[lethal lagoon]

They overlap heavily

No, I mean, if you are spamming EP smite, they are good.

[analog agate]

This is not a blaze blast build. This would more be a smite build with a more of primary fire of your staff

[lethal lagoon]

3 to the left, the empyric shock stuff.

[fallow dock]

If you’re running trauma you prob want brain burst to deal with elites/specials far away, smite and trauma sorta fill the same niche already

[lethal lagoon]

Pretty much

[waxen jackal]

I wasn't Really attached to the trauma. I was just kinda throwing a weapon in there that I wanted to use at some point

[lethal lagoon]

You also don't have ER

Which currently makes EP smite OP as shit

[fallow dock]

The only good staff that can do rang better than brainburst is voidstrike

[analog agate]

Blast staff can act as a secondary staff. If you want it as a safety net to knock guys down. Just don’t call it a blaze trauma build haha

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma go with flayer now

I can confirm the fixed flayer is gud

[lethal lagoon]

Have you run it on Surge yet

It's so wonderful

[plucky flax]

I can't I have to use smite with surge

[lethal lagoon]

[shrewd comet]

https://i.imgur.com/e34OhvT.png

this is what i use 😬

[plucky flax]

It's cool and thematic

[plucky flax]

This is unsancitoned approved blaze trauma build

[wintry patio]

Now that Kinetic Flayer actually works, I imagine that is a really good synergy with Voidblast

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[analog agate]

Health curios for you

[shrewd comet]

electro staff xD

[shrewd comet]

GOTCHA! alright ty so much

[plucky flax]

I know I thought it was a meme but testing it in meatgrinder then in a real game its really good.

[fallow dock]

I use something similar too too, I use an inferno staff just for the theme even though it’s def not optimal 😭

[analog agate]

I’d just like to say I am a hipster and have been a flayer advocate for 2 weeks

[plucky flax]

Well when it was broken and procced on chaff

[nocturne dust]

I can't handle BB having an actual use

[analog agate]

But I am Microsoft in this convo. Only when Agent (Apple) does it it becomes popular

[fallow dock]

Hasn’t it been shit until today?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah it was funny

[analog agate]

Nah. It still targeted elites more the most part. It would randomly hit smaller dudes.

[wintry patio]

I've always been a flayer enjoyer

[analog agate]

The true hipster

[broken carbon]

wait

KF got fixed????

[wintry patio]

new hotfix today, yeah

[fallow dock]

Lol I tried it a few games with trauma and it almost always activated on the groaners 😭
(Back when it was broken)

[lethal lagoon]

Surge SG got fixed too

[broken carbon]

i don’t wanna hear the likes of you

[pine sail]

I'm a lvl 27 Psyker and I'm now gonna try Voidstrike staff for the first time

[broken carbon]

u have no ball

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you adopted a little too early. It proccing on trash means a full 30 seconds wasted

[lethal lagoon]

That was just kinda mean honestly

[analog agate]

Yeah, it could always be me noticing it more on elites (as was the fallacy when it REALLY sucked before unloaded update). But to me, it really did seem to target them more

[nocturne dust]

well I guess that's unfair, maybe just 15 seconds but still

[broken carbon]

ur mean to me all the time

sigh…

[lethal lagoon]

I shower you with endless light and kindness

[broken carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1292859216112910386/image0.gif

[fallow dock]

Fair enough, ig all that matters now is that we can rejoice that it’s working as intended!

[lethal lagoon]

Also who are you again?

I don't recognize that PFP

[plucky flax]

I am yu

Are yu mi?

[analog agate]

I was also using it because I decided I am too good (humble brag) for KD and it was a waste of a talent

[lethal lagoon]

Didn't even a get a chance to say anything

[plucky flax]

[nocturne dust]

me dropping something else instead of KD
KD is too good for you.

[fallow dock]

But what abt funny daemonhost tanking???

[shrewd comet]

idk, i like that my lightning staff triggers brain burst often as hell, fire to make room and kill adds

[rapid cliff]

Do they have a version of this outfit with a rebreather? (The orb collar thing but with mask since there's a grey version with rebreather

[nocturne dust]

RIP warp battery on my build

[analog agate]

I’d rather just die. Luckily, with the change of it taking out one person…. Only got to worry about DH if they trigger it and quit

[fallow dock]

It takes out nobody when I activate it with KD 😎

[nocturne dust]

the corruption murdering the guy who got a dozen poxbursters to the face

[near bobcat]

I think I really like the illisi force sword

[ornate sedge]

gooood

[fallow dock]

Don’t we all 😃

[plucky flax]

Not me illusy

[rapid cliff]

The illsi is good I used the deimos one for a lil

[nocturne dust]

I don't like illusy

[rapid cliff]

But I need that cleave

I'm used to obscurus tho

[ornate sedge]

special into heavy1 just fuckin annihlates hordes

bread and butter

[rapid cliff]

I'm addicted to the force sword they need to add a force axe af some point

[ornate sedge]

they should add dual force swords

[rancid geyser]

illisi has a cleave, still dont like it?

[ornate sedge]

hell, add a force gun. lemme enchant bullets with warp

[rapid cliff]

I was talking about the Deimos one

[rancid geyser]

special allows you to buffer heavy which is a cleave

ass

deimos kinda icky

[rapid cliff]

Even though the staffs cover plasma/flamer/grenade launcher I still think a plasma pistol as a straight burst fire gun would be cool for psyker

Just only three round shots, rapid fire heat up idk

[ornate sedge]

i think gunker needs an actual function where you can use peril while firing to make gun shoot harder

[zinc phoenix]

id prefer dueling sword be restored to psyker only rather than giving psyker plasma

zealots/vets look super goofy with DS

[fallow dock]

Agreed

It’s to psyker-esque for the other classes imo

[ornate sedge]

nah i like weapon agnosticism

[rancid geyser]

i think its better on them

lmao

[fallow dock]

Unless we get a maccabian cosmetic set for vet

[rapid cliff]

I mean it works like cavalry sabre

[zinc phoenix]

DS is also gonna need a mega nerf now that the actually good melee classes can use it

[jovial juniper]

[fallow dock]

The. It’s ok for vet

[rapid cliff]

Zealots are crackheads using what they got

It does make sense

[rancid geyser]

possibly think duelling sword is best on vet

lmao

[crisp yacht]

It's called scriers gaze

[rancid geyser]

desperado go brr

[near bobcat]

Gotta ask how is the new perk for smite feeling for folks? The one that zaps on heavy attacks

[ornate sedge]

eh. scriers doesnt do enough to make it feel like you are actually strengthening your shots with warp power

could be cooler

[wintry patio]

I was trying to mess around with a melee focused build specifically to try but but I didn't like it much

[ornate sedge]

imo better off using scriers with melee or a staff. shit slaps

[minor kiln]

terrible

[fallow dock]

25% crit chance isn’t enough????

[rancid geyser]

it's got too much competiton

[thorn cedar]

just awful lmao

[ornate sedge]

insanely mid

[rancid geyser]

20% crit and 10% damage on activation

plus more damage as you go on longer

40% total and 30% lingering

is not enough?

[ornate sedge]

yeah i know what it does. just would be cool if you could get some visual feedback i guess.

i want to be able to feel like i am empowering a gun the same way you charge a force sword and hear it go shwoomp

[strong gulch]

So flayer is supposd to work now. Does it?

[wintry patio]

I'm always down to add more shwoomps

[analog agate]

Yep

[rancid geyser]

flayer works

warp siphon still hides sometimes

[wintry patio]

New bug is that it no longer works on scab captains 🥲

[strong gulch]

inch res ting

[strong gulch]

LOL

[wintry patio]

They are not categorized under the available options in the talent unfortunately

[lethal lagoon]

What's the mod for trackign warp unbound?

[jovial juniper]

Blaze Flayer Trauma meta has been found

I'm not joking

[rancid geyser]

.>

[plucky flax]

Bow down to our flayer overlord.

[upper sun]

@lethal lagoon my 500th rescue

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-flayer-dnd-monster-dungeons-and-dragons-gif-14710185

[lethal lagoon]

Oh that was you.

I was trying to use Kinetic flayer on Surge, and without a mod I don't think it's viable

I kept missing things cause I was staring at the thingy

Or counting in my head cause there was no buf

one sec gimem a minute and I'll queue

[strong gulch]

You need a couple to play the icon or there is one for just the timer.

Timer https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/366

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

Thanks.

[upper sun]

if u dont want me to post u dead

dont die

[lethal lagoon]

I was testing a build

[upper sun]

gaze surge?

stop testing

stop having fun

[waxen jackal]

So quell speed or warp resistance dump for trauma? Or is either okay cuz I've heard both.

[lethal lagoon]

Wait potato you wanna play?

[upper sun]

warp res is better

dump it!!!

[waxen jackal]

Okay thanks

[analog agate]

Since you got 2 answers which can be correct I will break it down. Having 80 warp res will get you a small blast extra staying in the sweet spot of high peril. Taking 80 quell speed makes it 2 ticks vs 3 ticks quelling. Equivalent to about 0.4-0.5 sec

[strong gulch]

If you don't want that or want to move the timer there's custom HUD. https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/10

Buff hud improvements if you just want the icon the icon https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/10
You need "psyker_overcharge_stance_damage" and "psyker_overcharge_stance_finesse_damage" for the icon.

I think better butter buff management helps further. https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/239

[waxen jackal]

Awesome. Good to hear the reasoning

And then choose

[strong gulch]

The simplest is just the timer.

[analog agate]

Warp res is the usual to dump. BUT if you don’t have the resources to find it quell can be too

[shrewd comet]

is there a way to adjust the critical peril volume?

[strong gulch]

It's under accessibility settings.

[zinc phoenix]

people who dont ping a horde of crushers should go to the special hell

[novel talon]

What is usually the best dump stat for the staves? Is it universal or different per type of staff?

[nocturne dust]

Most staffs dump warp res, voidstrike blast radius, some prefer quell speed over warp res

[sturdy tendon]

Warp Resist is a pretty universal dump

[upper sun]

SERVERS PLS

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[nocturne dust]

Servers will never be kind

[novel talon]

How comes voidstrike blast radius? doesn't it effect the explosion?

[nocturne dust]

explosion eh

real power of voidstrike is the glowing ball before the explosion

[upper sun]

join me for free mats

[nocturne dust]

I just got off 💀

[wintry patio]

real power of voidstrike is the caboom noise it makes

[nocturne dust]

when the ball hits a dozen heads in a row

[pine sail]

Yeah I just used it for the first time and was enjoying spamming RMB

For the kabooms

[plucky flax]

Warp resistance on all force weapons

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike

[plucky flax]

Still want low warp for more damage and nexus

[nocturne dust]

Have you considered not edging?

[plucky flax]

Don't talk to me if you don't edge.

I'm always hard.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-dance-gif-23875943

[teal fog]

why is the icon for warp flurry even like that

it makes it look like it applies brittleness or something

[upper sun]

@lethal lagoon that was a maelstorm???????????

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

wtf happened

we got like zero spawns

[inland berry]

so it looks like you can't spam melee attacks to keep perfect timing up anymore

[spice veldt]

is very tragic

[lethal lagoon]

Yeppers, it's been happening a lot lately

We had a 69 mael yesterday and our total damage was 1.2mil

[upper sun]

total plasteel tho

new mission?

[plucky flax]

Why you carried atlas but not me yesterday

[upper sun]

😭

i was playing badly yesterday

its easier

its fucking easier

WHY IS US EASIER

[teal fog]

what we thinking of this surge staff build

[fresh reef]

It sure is a surge staff build

That I can say for sure

[plucky flax]

Take 5% crit chance node somehow.

[fresh reef]

They could drop wildfire for it

[analog agate]

I have been dropping quietude lately if I need an extra node somewhere

[nocturne dust]

[fresh reef]

They took the 4% node instead of soulblaze warp charges

I don't see the need for wildfire in that case

[clear heath]

drop flayer

[plucky flax]

Oh wait it's surge and bb

Where smite?

[analog agate]

Only Atlas has been using flayer enough on electro to say if it is worth it or not atm

[nocturne dust]

I tried flayer on purgatus and honestly I feel like it's pretty droppable

I get its usecase on trauma, but not sure it will really be there for any other staff

Also, not safe for psyker:

[upper sun]

okie

US

is easier than EU

[nocturne dust]

[upper sun]

im out btw

[lethal lagoon]

You're just on the Atlas train

When I don't die it goes choo choo

But I die alot so.....

[plucky flax]

I played us East this morning and people were so bad

Like even worse than eu

[lethal lagoon]

It's all xbox/gamepass

[upper sun]

classses are getting hard

we're getting toopid

[plucky flax]

Maybe us West better.

[lethal lagoon]

Like for example, we just played with the lovely xbox player, AndrewTate4453

[plucky flax]

But late night us east is a meme

[upper sun]

so based

[analog agate]

I main my trauma for a reason. Subjectively, 8/10 games I am hard carrying

[plucky flax]

Huh I dropped battery for flayer after patch

[analog agate]

I get frustrated when I have to depend on people

[lethal lagoon]

Seriously though, both maels were

[nocturne dust]

I did exactly that earlier today and it felt very meh to me.

[plucky flax]

Fair

It felt like a good pc amplifier for me

[clear heath]

is it still just 1 kill every 15 seconds?

[plucky flax]

Yeah but only on elites and specials

[nocturne dust]

pretty much, if even that

looking at you, ogryns

[clear heath]

insane
that's like, 0.067 kills per second

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the main use case is for it to hit an elite and trigger PC

[plucky flax]

[upper sun]

ye idk what happened

one game i was just looting

24/7

just WALKIN

i did zero damage but got at least 400 plasteel

[nocturne dust]

but my experience with purgatus is it triggers too early in an engagement/too often at the wrong time and doesn't do much

Like, they get a bunch of stacks they were about to get anyway because I hadn't reached purg's cap yet

[analog agate]

It also depends on what you would take instead of it too.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I'm dropping warp battery. There's nothing worse I can drop.

and don't you dare say KD

[analog agate]

[near wyvern]

@wind spruce I believe you were wanting to discuss about the recon crit string and the 5% perk. So while the crit string is 2, you have to take into account that you are also stacking true aim while you are in the crit string. Notice you only need 3 crit hits to top up Infernus blessing and this is done almost instantly on firing a small burst that touches a head.

https://youtu.be/8opFNhRSeAE

And then for the argument of "yeah but I can't hit heads consistently enough", let us assume you hit only body hits. Recons have a crit damage of around +45%. When we roll a crit we get a string of two so a single crit roll is worth +90% extra damage. Therefore, 5% crit chance brings us an expected increase of +90% * 0.05 = +4.5% extra DPS. You would be a lot better off picking any +armour damage perk (I recommend +flak and +unyielding) as that also increases your fire tick damage and stacks multiplicatively with Strength (Dumdum), increasing the value from your talents and other buffs as well.

For the record, you can keep up Empathetic Evasion up permanently by just shooting bodies even without the +5% crit chance perk.

[waxen jackal]

For blazing trauma, what would the other blessing be?

Warp flurry?

[lethal lagoon]

@strong gulch I gots to go, was fun.

[near wyvern]

Blazing spirit & warp nexus

[strong gulch]

Ye was fun. I need to do irl stuff too.

[waxen jackal]

Cool thank you

[near wyvern]

Try to finish casts above 80 peril

[plucky flax]

Thank you

[lethal lagoon]

[strong gulch]

balzing spirit + nexus

[waxen jackal]

Would this be okay for skills?

[plucky flax]

Remove the 2nd warp charge talent for psykenetic aura.

You want cdr for creeping flames spam.

[strong gulch]

Bleed electro knife is funny btw.

[nocturne dust]

essence harvest bad

or at least not as good as other options

[waxen jackal]

Oh okay, it sounded good. One of these days I'll be good at making builds lol. I'm almost at 80 hours in game

[analog agate]

It’s very meh on blazing build.

[plucky flax]

You's a baby.

[nocturne dust]

Only 80 hours? Those are rookie numbers, gotta pump those numbers up

[plucky flax]

But if it feels good for you go for it.

[nocturne dust]

How dare you not be a meta munchkin

[waxen jackal]

I'm trying. Other Warhammer games take my attention away

Rogue trader is my next one

[strong gulch]

You'll get the hang of it, but you also don't have to get sweaty into build making too. Frankly, there's a lot of things in this game and the way they interact that you wouldn't know without looking at the code or mods.

[plucky flax]

Game is meant to be fun. I can only offer my own explanation but people can play whatever.

And not like "Wrong, use this or you bad"