psyker-class

[rancid geyser]

unlucky with crits

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

[rancid geyser]

i dont think i have missed it a single time with the 5% but thats also just luck

imma play using the seer tree tho

i got my auric runs being greedy already

[nocturne dust]

I mean you can play what you like. My suggestions are built for me, not anyone else. Hard to build like that when I have 0 clue as to your preferences.

[rancid geyser]

optimizing not bad, so i will take the advice

for the 1st time im aiming on psyker XD

[nocturne dust]

This is why I don't use lmb spam

imagine aiming

gunkers too

[rancid geyser]

nah ill just go back to vet if i wanna use a gun

i know psyker isnt even close to vet with a gun

sorry

[nocturne dust]

I mean, gunker can do some messed up things but yeah, hard to beat shout spam

[rancid geyser]

wizards should know their place 🙂

[nocturne dust]

Above the other classes.

[rancid geyser]

i shout gamer words to get my team mates off the ground, yall shout gamer words to make dudes blue

we are not the same

[patent wing]

ur missing out

[nocturne dust]

I don't shout gamer words, I laugh maniacally and suddenly blow the top off a dozen crushers, then yell and explode because warp unbound doesn't activate properly

[radiant frigate]

epic

[patent wing]

btw there are no good wireless mice on the markte, ive tried almost all

[radiant frigate]

try rats

[patent wing]

just give up

[radiant frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/762624017168728065/1211258859918991400/rat-57.gif

[patent wing]

IT HAS A THUMB REST omg

nice

[nocturne dust]

I've been thinking of doing a build using FullAuto at some point but... then I'd have to do a thing

[patent wing]

just make a quell cancel macro lol

[rancid geyser]

unless gun psykers can do something similar, yall can have fun cosplaying idk

yall got cool space magic, use it XD

[nocturne dust]

I don't wanna

[patent wing]

you got a razer mouse?

[nocturne dust]

I will never quell cancel

[nocturne dust]

no

[patent wing]

ah damn i couldve send you mine

[radiant frigate]

gun main weapon is silly

[nocturne dust]

My mouse is the g502 hero or whatever it's called.

Logitech thingie

[plucky flax]

No one ever use the shitty party finder lol.

[rancid geyser]

they allow macros?

[plucky flax]

Waste of resources.

[rancid geyser]

yup

[nocturne dust]

😭

[patent wing]

why not? its not like im playing against humans

[nocturne dust]

It's because it's super out of the way and you don't even need to move past it to see quickplay

[patent wing]

bruh does it really weigh 150grams

[nocturne dust]

imo that's the real issue

If quickplay (and matches in general) were an option inside party finder in like a corner (and not accessible outside it), I'd bet we'd have a lot more parties.

but then people would complain

[patent wing]

i didnt even get it in my menu
some mod is disabling it lol

[nocturne dust]

lol

[rancid geyser]

the bots at fat shark should learn from DRG

just integrate discord into the game

[radiant frigate]

apparently some of them yeah

[rancid geyser]

made matchmaking 100x better in DRG and more ppl went to the upper difficulties due to the integration

[patent wing]

do you use a rat mouse? do you know if they continue pressing a click after finishing a macro automatically?

[nocturne dust]

but discord scares me, I always feel bad when I have to tell people I no use mic 😭

[rancid geyser]

dont mean you cant listen

[radiant frigate]

i do not

[cosmic sigil]

How do you do macros?

[rancid geyser]

and its just for the party system dont gotta talk to be honest

[patent wing]

with a mouse? and razer software

[rancid geyser]

in DRG you can invite directly from discord, even with console players

actually i think it was similar in GTFO too

[cosmic sigil]

Ohh I was looking for something more agnostic

[nocturne dust]

I mean Darktide is close enough. Not sure I want to waste the clearly limited dev time on discord integration.

[rancid geyser]

would have been a better waste than the current team finder XD

[nocturne dust]

Now show me where the solo mode is, Fatshark.

[rancid geyser]

its too late for them now

[nocturne dust]

[patent wing]

can do nice things tho
#psyker-class message
#psyker-class message

[nocturne dust]

you can do it on logitech mice too.

[rancid geyser]

CHEATER!

[patent wing]

tbh my manual quell cancel/surge cancel is better but its more convenient to do it with macro

[rancid geyser]

oh to answer the macro comment earlier

a lot of developers disallow macros in games that are online

regardless if they are PVE

[nocturne dust]

Pumpkin eater?

[rancid geyser]

because it warps the player experience for others even if slightly

[patent wing]

so what? thats stupid

[nocturne dust]

which is an actual accessibility concern for me 😔

[patent wing]

kinda every disabled person who cant spam lmb cant play the game then

[rancid geyser]

its not stupid to want ppl to play your game in a way you intedned it to be

[patent wing]

it is

[rancid geyser]

if they allow it fine

[nocturne dust]

Kinda is

[rancid geyser]

but if they dont gotta respect it

[patent wing]

because its excluding

and you are not getting an advantage besides convenience

[rancid geyser]

they put something in to be played, you can develop a skill or make a macro

trust when i say they rather players develop a skill

[patent wing]

they should not care

[rancid geyser]

especially when it comes to something divergent like that

[patent wing]

its a players decision

[nocturne dust]

Just because you made the art doesn't mean you get to tell people how to experience the art. That stated line of logic is like a developer saying 'no mods' on a singleplayer game, lol.

[rancid geyser]

well true but its something that enforces outside usage of tools to warp usage of their product that they technically have only given you a liscence to use

[nocturne dust]

Like, yeah, ban people if they start doing things that make it unfair

but otherwise nah bro

[rancid geyser]

im not saying yall dont have a valid view

im explaining why its problematic sometimes

which to be fair i kind of agree with developers on that one, just slightly

not only that, but the development of a macro CAN split a community as well

[patent wing]

if you make sth cheatable, players will cheat it

[rancid geyser]

especailly with all the toxic ass gamers online

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I don't know a ton of games that are like that, but I tend to only play the most... not beloved but... cared for? games? Something like that.

[rancid geyser]

MH World banned the shit out of macro users and cheaters alike

[nocturne dust]

Games where the devs aren't completely tone-deaf.

[rancid geyser]

and i respect the living shit out of them for it

[blissful solar]

using a macro to quell cancel is honestly pretty fucked, they might want to fix it

[rancid geyser]

and yes

[patent wing]

how can u macro in mh world

(i only played 1h

[rancid geyser]

they should probably fix quell cancleing

[nocturne dust]

Eh, it's just a form of animation cancelling which is a pretty common tech in games players use.

[rancid geyser]

they had optimal combo macros you could set up

[blissful solar]

i think quell cancelling lets you shoot literally 3+x faster

it'd be one thing if it was just 2x or something but...it seems like an oversight since it's so gigantic a diff

[nocturne dust]

I mean the peak of quell cancelling that is inhuman, sure

[rancid geyser]

its not just animation canceling

its legit mov buffering too

you are shooting faster than the intended rate

[blissful solar]

yeah, using a macro to do it makes it OP. if they want to keep it, which is fine, limit it to more like 80% faster or something idk

[patent wing]

those things are what makes games great

[rancid geyser]

its cool, but if they have a problem with it you could see why

[rancid geyser]

subjective

[patent wing]

no its undebatable

pro gamer stuff

[rancid geyser]

i wont be too elitist -- some people believe developing a skill and being able to showcase a skill makes games great

[patent wing]

only sophisticated players will do

[blissful solar]

it's totally fine to have it but like there's a limit. if it let you shoot 10 quadrillion times faster im sure everyone would know it was a problem. i think if it's 5x+ faster then it's a problem, but we can all draw different lines i guess

[rancid geyser]

and that macros that squander effort are not good

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yeah. I don't really love quell cancelling, I literally never use it.

[patent wing]

#psyker-class message

!

how can u not use it

[rancid geyser]

im not specifically fighting against it now but i am explaining why i asked if they actually allowed it

macros are a really weird 2 sided topic

[nocturne dust]

and if you use quell cancelling you're a filthy n'wah. Wait, wrong franchise.

[nocturne dust]

easily.

[rancid geyser]

i cant agree too heavily with the side that is for it

[patent wing]

we are just not that elitist to make it exclusive for pros

i can do it manually too, even better

but im ok with ppl that are not regulars use that tech

with macro

[rancid geyser]

im not claiming anyone here is being elitist i used that word to clear me of being accused -- its a legit reason

[patent wing]

ik ik

[nocturne dust]

I say anyone who plays differently from me should be purged for being a heretic. Glory to the God Emperor.

[rancid geyser]

i will practice on how to shoot 3x faster and become unable to type

[rancid geyser]

if you are a space wizard that uses bullets --- meet me outside

[patent wing]

lmb is literally useless without quell cancel

[rancid geyser]

.>

see

[blissful solar]

in comparison, that's true. and that's the problem, isnt it?

indeed, quite obvious

[rancid geyser]

thats the kind of divergent comment we dont need

lmao

[patent wing]

if they change it to same speed on lmb hold im gucci

[nocturne dust]

no? It has a ton of uses

[rancid geyser]

not useless tho

some ppl only use half of the weapon

[spice veldt]

lmb bolt also has good suppression for whatever reason so that reapers don't shred you in an open space

[patent wing]

[rancid geyser]

yeah you can surpress

and you can kill someting faster that you couldnt with just rmb

[late sapphire]

macros are cheating

[patent wing]

yeah obv im not 100% serious u ogryns

[late sapphire]

if you can't upkeep the effect for an entire match yourself

[nocturne dust]

I don't believe you

[primal plume]

Finish the Smoothest Maelstrom
Get this right as we get inside the evac ship
Thank you fatshart, very cool

[patent wing]

"if you dont want tendonitis ur geh"

[rancid geyser]

i think macros fall under the same suite as mods that help like the radial threat detection one

[nocturne dust]

Dang, guess I have to stop using FullAuto

[rancid geyser]

that shows where specials and elites are

[nocturne dust]

can't have crap in space

[rancid geyser]

reduces skill gap but bumps the shit out of accessibility

[brazen rampart]

Full auto is fine, qq quell cancel is not.

[late sapphire]

lmb quell cancel spam is not accessibility lel

[patent wing]

its skill

and macros make it accessible

[brazen rampart]

Once you pass 1 input for your macro is where fatshark starts having issues.

[rancid geyser]

it is if you love your hands XD

[spice veldt]

like giving an lmg to a senior

[late sapphire]

idk man that's like calling aimbot accessibility

[rancid geyser]

it is

[late sapphire]

yeah dude i love my wrist rotator muscle so much

[brazen rampart]

This had better be bait, because if it isn't, fatshark will unironically ban you.

[rancid geyser]

still a cheat tho

[nocturne dust]

As someone who doesn't use quell cancel, if a person can do it the macro is fine.

[spice veldt]

my grandpa needs a light machine gun for accessibility reasons

[brazen rampart]

You literally aren't allowed to use qq quell cancel macros.

Fatshark considers them cheating.

[late sapphire]

If you are so crippled you need to cheat for a game to be accessible you should play singleplayer

[blissful solar]

they should just sorta move to let us shoot as fast as we can click, that'd be way more fun

[rancid geyser]

see? this is why i asked

[spice veldt]

i'm sure nothing can go wrong without delays

[blissful solar]

but with a limit, of course, you know, can't go crazy

[nocturne dust]

which Fatshark will never add

[late sapphire]

They already added it wdym it's called many more try

[rancid geyser]

also one of the argument that i think is valid

[late sapphire]

Imagine using mmt and running into people man

I dread it

[nocturne dust]

That 'they' happens to not include Fatshark, who I specified.

[patent wing]

stupid take

like giga stupid

[rancid geyser]

map shoot to scroll wheel

[late sapphire]

stupid take

ultra stupid, even

[patent wing]

its not cheating at all

[blissful solar]

it's actually a bad take because it's dishonest or something, like, sure, if we agree that it's "cheating" you might have a point, but not everything is cheating

[brazen rampart]

Alright I'm calling it, this guy is baiting.

[rancid geyser]

.>

[blissful solar]

the audio indicator mod is somewhat cheating, because it's so strong. but if it wasnt particularly good then no one would be too concerned to call it cheating

[nocturne dust]

Bad faith arguments are my favorite

[brazen rampart]

I refuse to believe someone with two brain cells to rub together would unironically be advocating for cheating for accessibility.

[blissful solar]

if we agree that something is cheating then you're right, but not everything is cheating

[nocturne dust]

well the issue is the definition of cheating

[rancid geyser]

oh i hope i didnt start something bad

[brazen rampart]

I can understand if you want to play a game due to its setting or gameplay loop, but if you can't keep up and NEED to cheat, you should explode.

[rancid geyser]

my dudes and dudettes i am sorry

[nocturne dust]

which I agree, a humanly-possible macro isn't cheating

[late sapphire]

i think you are being dishonest because i was talking about quell cancel macros and aimbots the messages before

[blissful solar]

i dont think this will turn into a big problem but who knows, it's just darktide shit

[patent wing]

also even if it would be cheating, the person might play with friends who dont have a problem with it

[spice veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[rancid geyser]

yes i would consider this a cheat too

[nocturne dust]

burst

It's brain burst

[spice veldt]

be quiet

[rancid geyser]

soft cheats are still cheats

[spice veldt]

be quiet

[late sapphire]

which are objectively cheats

[nocturne dust]

[blissful solar]

they should have a bit of a limit, a limit a bit above the best human's clicking. lots of games have limits on such things and it doesnt feel unnatural/ it still lets you click as fast as you'd want in many games

[brazen rampart]

Doesn't matter. Cheating is labelled by the developers of the game. Fatshark considers qq quell cancel macros to be cheating, so they're cheating. End of story.

[spice veldt]

BRAIN BLAST!!! KYAAAAAA!!!!

[late sapphire]

the naked mod is cheating 😢

[brazen rampart]

Likewise, spidey sense mod is not cheating, as it's accepted by fatshark. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be on Nexus.

[spice veldt]

the problem is that encouraging players to spam the shit out of their mouse, even if fun to you, is not really that good of an idea as a whole

[nocturne dust]

You fool. My ogryn has no brain to blast. Checkmate.

[rancid geyser]

like i will not @ anyone here, but it IS weird when you guys use macros and soft cheats and talk trash about other players --- its not anyone in this chat atm but i have seen them in vet chat especially

[brazen rampart]

They tolerate it only when it isn't crashing lobbies.

Hence why Dorn didn't get obliterated the other day while playing with actual devs.

[brazen rampart]

That's vet chat for ya.

[blissful solar]

yes that's fine, i dont think it's dishonest necessarily, but it sorta presupposes something which is arguable (the definition of cheating). so in a way it's more like a statement of fact rather than something that backs up any argument you're making. which isnt a bad thing

[patent wing]

if i say the grass is yellow, it is

[nocturne dust]

Dorn being banned on stream would've been funny

[brazen rampart]

It would've been the greatest, funniest moment in tide history.

[mossy oyster]

couldnt ban him he was carrying

which is arguably funnier

[brazen rampart]

Maybe because you're taking the piss at this point, yeah.

[late sapphire]

I envy you for the ability to consider that a statement of fact

I know at least two people who would disagree with my statement

[rancid geyser]

had to dip from it for a while

[blissful solar]

well basically "if someone is cheating for the purpose of accessibility, they are doing wrong" is easy to agree with

because cheating is bad

[rancid geyser]

chudblasters take on cheating is accurate tho

thats like going to the nba and doing something they didnt neccessarily agree with so they make a statement about it and you dont agree with it

[patent wing]

it is not since its not a pvp game

and you can play with friends only

[late sapphire]

this guy has never barreled someone

[rancid geyser]

cheating doesnt only exist in pvp

that's bad faith arguing

[patent wing]

read further

[rancid geyser]

i get that you can play with friend on;ly

[brazen rampart]

It LITERALLY IS, you agreed to fatshark's rules the moment you bought the fucking game.

[rancid geyser]

are you going to say you ONLY have played with friends

using macro?

[late sapphire]

There's a reason vermintide 2 was split into sanctioned and unsanctioned

[blissful solar]

cheating isnt even bad if it has no victim

[rancid geyser]

^

[patent wing]

im just gonna mute u

[blissful solar]

cheating is just part of gaming

god mod, noclip, map commands

spawning npcs

impulse 101

[brazen rampart]

Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

[patent wing]

u cant even read a second sentence

[late sapphire]

those are not necessarily cheating

[rancid geyser]

fact

[brazen rampart]

This is like arguing that piracy is a victimless crime.

[nocturne dust]

Is it really cheating if there's no victim? Whom are you cheating then?

[brazen rampart]

"Uhh I didn't hurt anybody!!!"

[late sapphire]

Yourself.

[blissful solar]

idk, the game's rules i guess

[late sapphire]

What is and is not cheating depends on what you approach the game as

[rancid geyser]

^

[patent wing]

ahahahahaaahahahahahaha

[blissful solar]

how? some things could be victimless and thus not an issue

just because i say something is victimless doesnt make it like (other random topic about victimlessness)

piracy has a victim, at least somewhat, because a company is impacted to at least some extent

[patent wing]

WE GOT A STATIST HERE

[nocturne dust]

This I agree with

[blissful solar]

if you're cheating in SP then there can be no victim

[patent wing]

IMAGNIARY PROPERTY GUY

[brazen rampart]

This is definitely one of the psyker chat conversations of all time.

Yet another zealout chat W.

[rancid geyser]

well lets be honest here. you have to have a very warped perception to think cheating is a term that can lightly be positive or neutral

[late sapphire]

If there are no other people you are still cheating yourself

[rancid geyser]

its not

[nocturne dust]

lmao zealot chat is cancer

[blissful solar]

cheating in a single player video game is a positive thing

i love loading up smod on half life 2 and getting all the guns

using cheat commands

[brazen rampart]

Idk, this chat is currently draining my intelligence like crazy. Zealout chat doesn't do that.

[patent wing]

NONONO U ARE CHEATING URSELF

[late sapphire]

You are using commands, not necessarily cheating

[patent wing]

THATS NOT THE WAY DEVS WANTED U TO PLAY THE GAME @blissful solar

[blissful solar]

yeah if you dont want to call that cheating then it's just a difference in definition, so we arent disagreeing necessarily (just disagreeing about wording)

[patent wing]

/s

[rancid geyser]

see the diff between online games and offline single player games

is liscence

[late sapphire]

If you approach the game from a perspective of 'i will play this game and complete it' and it's too hard, so you cheat, that is cheating

[brazen rampart]

That would be, by definition, cheating, yeah.

[patent wing]

this dude

[rancid geyser]

you straight own most single player games

[brazen rampart]

It's not a term you can twist and bend.

[late sapphire]

If you approach it from a perspective of time to fuck around and ragdoll 1000 people and use commands it is not cheating

[nocturne dust]

You did this tho. This is you. You zealot chatter, you.

[rancid geyser]

you do NOT own online games --- you buy a liscence to it and have to fall in line

there are rules for online play

[spice veldt]

greatest lie is saying that zealot chat doesn't drain your intelligence

[brazen rampart]

Ok, that's valid, but one simple thought provoking argument shouldn't turn people into babbling idiots with awful argumentative skills, no?

[blissful solar]

if a singleplayer developer, in their license, says that you cant cheat in singleplayer (and it's a 100% purely singleplayer game), then that's cringe actually

[patent wing]

well they dont word it that way right, at least i am clicking a "buy" button on steam lol

[rancid geyser]

something sanctioned as cheating by the liscence holder is not up for argument like ever

[late sapphire]

They can suck my ass man

[rancid geyser]

they have to, if you ever dig around you will find an agreement statement

[late sapphire]

If it's on my drive i'm doing with it what i want

[brazen rampart]

To be fair, I didn't say zealout chat doesn't drain my intelligence, this chat is just doing it significantly more.

[nocturne dust]

Cheating is a social construct.

[blissful solar]

yeah basically, it's your program, you can modify it as you please if you dont do something online or to another person or something

[patent wing]

misleading ad then

[manic river]

I shouldn't be able to quell while using Scrier right

[nocturne dust]

[mossy oyster]

you can

[spice veldt]

nah that's normal

[rancid geyser]

so are games

🙂

[late sapphire]

The modifying i think is completely unrelated to morality

[brazen rampart]

You can, but scrier's will ramp up peril gen REALLY fast.

[rancid geyser]

lets talk about space amgic now

[patent wing]

people will just (crack it and )set up garena servers if devs ever ban all the gud stuff

[rancid geyser]

i really fucked the chat im sorry

[late sapphire]

If you modify your programs to ruin other peoples enjoyment, the ruining of enjoyment is the bad act, the modifying is neutral

[brazen rampart]

Nope! That was all me! 😎

[nocturne dust]

what if I modify my programs to ruin my own enjoyment

[patent wing]

when did you advance to such a high intelligence

[mossy oyster]

dumb bastard...

[brazen rampart]

Then you're a masochist.

[late sapphire]

i write papers for a living...

[rancid geyser]

😅

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/konosuba-darkness-bds-hmm-shy-gif-14064144

[blissful solar]

it's a bit of a bad thing to use a quell cancel macro in darktide cuz your teammates will never stand a chance, the game will be easier, they will have less enjoyment

[late sapphire]

Most moral systems would judge it immoral

[manic river]

Hmm I see

[patent wing]

recite kant there pls

[blissful solar]

it's maybe immoral, to yourself, but since it's to yourself it's hard to call it immoral. perhaps misguided

[brazen rampart]

It can actually be a good strategy to quell if you have the talent that doesn't reduce your movement speed so you can get to more enemies.

[late sapphire]

No, kant is an idiot

I hate kant so much

[rancid geyser]

this goes back to what i was saying about divergence when using macros

[nocturne dust]

ew

[late sapphire]

If i could i would duel kant

[nocturne dust]

just dodge and slide

[slow raven]

hey if you dont mind, could you share the macro with me lol. would dm but your dms are closed. for research purposes only ofc

[late sapphire]

But he's dead, which all in all is a win for me

[patent wing]

added u

[rancid geyser]

dont talk shit about my favorite psyker node!

[nocturne dust]

By that logic I should stand and watch my allies do all the work until they need me.

[spice veldt]

tru tru

[late sapphire]

Then you are robbing yourself of eudaimonia and breaking off your path to excellence

[nocturne dust]

It suuuuuuuucks

[brazen rampart]

The synopsis of this cheating/not cheating "debate" is that Fatshark decides what cheating is and only basic, 1 input macros are allowed in terms of macro usage.

[late sapphire]

Like a souls player who uses summons

Ewww

[brazen rampart]

Anything else is wrong and therefore moot.

[blissful solar]

not really, the logic is sorta dynamic. it's dependent on what the player wants. if you want to have the hardest challenge ever, then yeah, that's what you'd want to do.

but we assume that people dont want their teammates to do unfair things to beat everything and that that wont be part of their gameplay desire.

[brazen rampart]

It does suck, I agree, but used to be psyker was kinda starved for good talents so it would be the only useful one you could pick up with certain point spreads.

[orchid shadow]

This is news to me. Fatshark has put out a statement about macros and their usage?

[late sapphire]

You see the issue with a quell cancel macro is that you are illegitimately gaining a level of competence above your actual level

[rancid geyser]

yer just mad because i can move faster dan yew!

[late sapphire]

Compare two players two perform the same, one using a quell cancel script and the other just being giga cracked

Arguments about 'weakening the others experience' clearly don't apply, therefore

[nocturne dust]

slides past you while quelling

Sliding is faster

[rancid geyser]

i still do it better

[nocturne dust]

Git gud

[rancid geyser]

XD

you right

[spice veldt]

besides legitimacy and whatnot, i'd also consider what is necessarily fun as a whole and in the long run

[late sapphire]

Meanwhile, if you were playing on an unsanctioned server (if one existed), then the cheating would be legitimate as it would be a part of the rules of the game

[spice veldt]

like, take reload-cancelling in kf2, which is pretty trivial but neat to do and has stayed in the game so far (unless that's changed recently since i haven't had anything to do with that game for 2 years)

[rancid geyser]

like VT2 tourney?

[late sapphire]

My conclusion is that the issue with cheating is that it breaks the agreed upon rules of the game, not that it necessarily causes this or that

[upper sun]

bro woke up for a 2 month break to have debates on several channels at once

[spice veldt]

and the reload-cancelling isn't something that can be spammed and doesn't have a potentially high cap if macro'd

[late sapphire]

Nobody wants to play with you if you can't play fair

[patent wing]

relatable

[radiant frigate]

immanuel?

[patent wing]

DIE KRITIK DER REINEN VERNUNFT

[radiant frigate]

easy win, just call gim a virgin

[blissful solar]

i mean, there's nothing wrong with elevating yourself above your level in the abstract, so i...but who even cares, it's just darktide

[radiant frigate]

he can't change it

[nocturne dust]

Doesn't Kant think killing a man is always bad, and therefore won't accept the duel because it forces one man to kill?

[radiant frigate]

and there is no comeback

[late sapphire]

The wrongness comes into play by the use of illegitimate means

[orchid shadow]

Well, not necessarily. The speed at which I can quell cancel is something I've been able to do for a long time without a macro. I'm just not going to ruin my wrist doing it for almost 2k hours.

[radiant frigate]

you can duel to first blood too

[late sapphire]

What is legitimate and what is not is simple

[radiant frigate]

kant fans in shambles

[blissful solar]

legitimacy really isnt simple, but it could be in some circumstances? like is it legit if i take adderal and i get op

[spice veldt]

first blood but the weapon is a rocket launcher

[blissful solar]

is it legit if i have an augmented arm

[patent wing]

yeah because it just depends on what was done

[radiant frigate]

simply a difference in skill

[late sapphire]

I agree to some extend for shittier quell canceling macros, say with a 100ms delay, but the really optimal stuff is mad, apparently there's a mod that handles it inside the client also

[rancid geyser]

this makes it illegitimate tho

[blissful solar]

anyway the problem isnt legitimacy, it's the victimization. legitimacy isnt a problem, cheating is actually good if it gets results (it HAS to get results) OR in this circumstance, if it's still fun (or enjoyable, or it doesnt cause unfun/unenjoyment aka doesnt cause victimization)

[rancid geyser]

the legit way to do it would be to sacrifice

[nocturne dust]

Anyway, you're a filthy poser of a psyker if you quell cancel. Later losers.

[radiant frigate]

sacrifice your hand for a game

lol, said the scorpion

[late sapphire]

If you manually do it then i (and fatshark) don't begrudge you the quell cancel, though it is an exploit

[radiant frigate]

i like to cancel my quelling by stopping to press r

[rancid geyser]

they stay trying to be vet, we want staff to be shredd stick

[patent wing]

its not an exploit by definition

[rancid geyser]

yesssss!

[wet belfry]

I dont think fatshark actually cares

[rancid geyser]

when you are crippled know it was worth it right?

[wet belfry]

If they did they would have patched it…

[blissful solar]

they'll probably fix it eventually, just an oversight

[late sapphire]

They tried to fix it and failed

[rancid geyser]

all the plasteel

[late sapphire]

So it is an exploit by definition

[spice veldt]

it is prob pretty low in some priority list for them to consider

[patent wing]

it cant be an exploit if you are using what the game gave you

[spice veldt]

since quell cancelling is just a consequence of them lowering some chain timings for psyker in a patch long ago

[late sapphire]

Unless it becomes an issue, which it won't, it'll be a tertiary bug

[orchid shadow]

Ha no. As an animator, my hands are my livelihood. No way. 😛

[blissful solar]

then exploits dont even exist

[spice veldt]

and not really thinking about the potential spammability of it

[late sapphire]

??? what do you think an exploit is

[rancid geyser]

exploit: make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

literally

[late sapphire]

hitting the drive with a hammer to get a different game state?

what

[radiant frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n7eNFj_9Vk

[patent wing]

yeah ok i worded that one badly

animation cancelling that doesnt require outside stuff

[rancid geyser]

WAIT THAT'S SICK!

the adam smasher snake?!

[radiant frigate]

isn't it?

[rancid geyser]

what's that monologue from?

40K?

[spice veldt]

yeah there's a "serve the omnissiah" line at the very end

[rancid geyser]

That shit goes hard

lmao

[spice veldt]

evidently, we should give animals some robotic augments more often

like a gun

[late sapphire]

it's from Warhammer 40k: Mechanicus

Specifically from one of the teaser/trailers, i believe

[rancid geyser]

if i cant have a t-rex with back mounted gattlings i want a komodo with back mounted gattlings and a saddle

[radiant frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gIMZ0WyY88

here you go

[brazen rampart]

RAAAAA MECHANICUS SOUNDTRAK FUCKS

[rancid geyser]

i dont follow too many 40k stuff, more of a fantasy person --- but this shit goes hard AF

when i played space marines 2 i remember seeing daemons that looked like bestigors, made me hype but beast men dont exist in 40k

[summer prairie]

good mod https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/373

[radiant frigate]

the little shieldy guys?

tzaangors

[rancid geyser]

yeah

[radiant frigate]

they also exist in fantasy

[rancid geyser]

i know i just though they were corrupted bestigors

guess i was wrong

[brazen rampart]

Beastmen only exist in 40k through Tzeentch at this point, afaik.

[rancid geyser]

lmao

[brazen rampart]

Maybe Khorne has some minotaurs tucked away somewhere?

[late sapphire]

I disagree that the victimisation comes from the degree of fun, and maintain it is more an issue of breaking the rules / trust between people

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-potato-gif-16950548

[late sapphire]

If i run a smite build and therefore my teammates are bored, i am not victimizing them and were they to begrudge my actions i could rightfully mock them

[upper sun]

its a shame that game had no no story

[rancid geyser]

so from what i think i know the only thing that carries over from the 2 universes are, the orks, ork gods, daemons and their kin?

[upper sun]

awful voice acting

bad reward system

bad difficulty curve

[radiant frigate]

idk, i just know that monologue, which is fantastic

[upper sun]

mid UI

[patent wing]

i was recently kicked for running a SG EP smite build

[late sapphire]

There are a lot of parallels between the settings, but not many things that 'carry over'

[radiant frigate]

smyker's gaze...

[rancid geyser]

oh?

[brazen rampart]

Yes.

[patent wing]

what, do u think its a problem to smite 10seconds at 100% peril?

[rancid geyser]

i know there are still like hippogryfs and shit like that, or maybe that was age of sigmar

[brazen rampart]

For example, Kugath, Skarbrand, Nkari, Kairos, and Belakor are all in 40k.

[rancid geyser]

OOOH!?

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, they're daemons.

[rancid geyser]

my boy skarbrand is here?!

[brazen rampart]

The most exalted of their kind.

Skarbrand is THE bloodthirster.

You can't really get rid of him.

[rancid geyser]

so each one of the exalted daemons are in 40k?

like Na'kaari?

[late sapphire]

sigmar has his own sigmarines lol

[brazen rampart]

Yup.

[rancid geyser]

BS, share!

[brazen rampart]

Most daemon princes are too.

[late sapphire]

They are called stormcast eternals iirc

[brazen rampart]

I want to say Valkia is in 40k but I can't confirm that.

[late sapphire]

Fantasy space marines

[brazen rampart]

But Festus, the Twins, and Azazel I think had canon deaths in fantasy.

[rancid geyser]

i think the coolest shit i have seen in 40k so far was that dragon thing

[late sapphire]

You get to whoop belakor ass in vt2

[rancid geyser]

and the tau

i fucks with the Tau mechs

Crisis Suits is a crazy name

[late sapphire]

Another big difference between fantasy and 40k are the skaven

[brazen rampart]

Yeah but he can't die without some proper fuckery.

[late sapphire]

In fact the great rat is supposedly a 5th chaos god now

[rancid geyser]

aye

RAT MEN

[brazen rampart]

I thought the great horned rat was a facet of nurgle.

[rancid geyser]

legit my 2nd fave faction

[late sapphire]

Hate rats

[rancid geyser]

but the 13 tolls

[late sapphire]

Executioner sword javelin trollhammer torpedo 1084379727323 skaven dead

[rancid geyser]

is such a good and eerie scripture

the 1st vermintide

[brazen rampart]

Executioner's sword fucked so hard but it was terrible at killing stormvermin, from my experience.

[late sapphire]

Take this with a grain of salt because everything i know about warhammer fantasy is learnt via osmosis from that one guy who cant stop ranting about warhammer

But the great horned rat is apparently a proper fifth ruinous power now, with the endtimes and all that

[late sapphire]

H1 oneshots...

[brazen rampart]

Seems like my exe sword just sucked, then!

[rancid geyser]

oh in the end times i think it ascended to help fight off nagash iirc

and they ended up betraying and siding with him or some shit

[late sapphire]

i really like the exe sword and coghammer also

[rancid geyser]

violated my boy Setra

[late sapphire]

I think there's one or two other chaos gods running around

The dwarves apparently have one

And poor, poor, malal...

[rancid geyser]

i like how vermintide they are dealing with Nurgle and in Space Marines the main antage was on Tzeench, I have even seen Khorn in Space marines

why no Slaanesh?

[late sapphire]

Age ratings

The greatest foe...

[rancid geyser]

fair

lmao

also doesnt Tzeench fuck with psykers then?

[late sapphire]

I dislike that vermintide and darktide are both nurgle focused

I guess it is the easiest to bring across in a tide game

[brazen rampart]

Khorne wouldn't be that hard, either.

A juggernaut boss would be PEAK.

[rancid geyser]

i think nurgle makes sense because the beginning of this game wa sjust cleaning up the underbowels

perfect setting for nurgle

if the nurgle story line would have ever WENT anywhere...

[late sapphire]

There's always a bloodied nurglite fighting ring or a slaneeshy pleasure den somewhere in the underhive though

[brazen rampart]

It just seems like Khorne would be the ones to take the 6th, not Nurgle.

[rancid geyser]

low key would like some minor daemons added to the game

[late sapphire]

I want to 1v1 skarbrand

[rancid geyser]

beast of nurlge are a step above those so im confused why we dont have any

[brazen rampart]

Nurgling horde, they attack like poxwalkers but they explode.

[rancid geyser]

do rot flies exist in 40k?

would love to see a battle with them in this setting for some reason XD

[late sapphire]

Yes

[brazen rampart]

Oh, PLEASE do not add rot flies to the game.

[rancid geyser]

BUT!

[brazen rampart]

My pubber teammates have issues looking around on the same elevation as them.

Don't add the issue of making them look up.

[rancid geyser]

I MEAN THEY ARE HUGE THO

and loud af

[late sapphire]

A plaguebearer would be neat

[near wyvern]

With trauma all you need is look at your feet. Ez game.

[late sapphire]

I would also like a bossfight where you kill a BoN & it then becomes sad and turns it to a rotfly

[tacit hill]

hi what mod did you use for removing title color? oh nvm its actually in vanilla settings

[rancid geyser]

see cool shit like that

should be here already 😦

[late sapphire]

The captain fights are all really disappointing

[rancid geyser]

yup

[late sapphire]

The twins are kind of neat but also just captains with an annoying shield mechanic

[rancid geyser]

i hate doing them and i have a few more to do to get penance

no unique assasinations

was annoyed that train ended up being one

[patent wing]

imagine space marines with darktide mechanics

[late sapphire]

vt2 at least had interesting fights

[patent wing]

but we could also use some titans

[late sapphire]

Although burblespue was bloody annoying

[rancid geyser]

when i played that last few missions of that game it made me want them to make a Battlefield like game

[brazen rampart]

Fucking HATE Burblespue.

[rancid geyser]

just not sucky

[patent wing]

let me mow down not a few hundred nurglings, let me mow down armies of millions

[rancid geyser]

what was the name of the rat dude with the rat ogre

actually fuck that all the boss fights were peak

each different

[late sapphire]

Rasknitt?

& his mount Deathrattler

[rancid geyser]

yeah!

[late sapphire]

The others are Ribspreader, Naglfahr and Spinemangler

[patent wing]

unfortunately vt2 does not feel good when coming from DT

melee combat just isnt responsive and no fking quelling

[hidden rune]

nurgloth

the only boss I find annoying when q'ing

[late sapphire]

Oh yeah the enchanters lair guy

He is really annoying... you get an extra loot dice for the trouble, though

[hidden rune]

I never grab any

600 emperor vaults

been ages since I last played v2

[rancid geyser]

sienna quells

you just take damage for it

unless that changed

[patent wing]

yeah thats no quelling for me

[late sapphire]

It's fairly responsive, just grittier

[hidden rune]

you still do take damage

[late sapphire]

Sienna is supposed to quell into thp

[patent wing]

idk i dont really get a good feedback when i hit sth

[late sapphire]

You bring fire sword and h1 into a crowd lel

[patent wing]

that does restore hp?

[late sapphire]

That'll fill you up with thp right quick

Temporary HP

[rancid geyser]

pretty sure characters were tankier in VT2

[late sapphire]

Vermintide 2 runs on hp / thp not hp / toughness

[rancid geyser]

temp HP was a busted mechanic

[patent wing]

gud to know

[radiant frigate]

not any more busted than toughness

[late sapphire]

In short, your max 'toughness' increases as your health decreases

[rancid geyser]

much more busted than toughness

lmao

[patent wing]

still darktide feels so much better as the hitmass mechanic translates into stuck attacks etc

[radiant frigate]

weird take but ok

[radiant frigate]

it still does in vt2

[rancid geyser]

you could literally take a few hits then become near immprtal from just generating temp hp

[patent wing]

why does it feel bad then

[rancid geyser]

i remember how broken hammer and shield was too

[radiant frigate]

how is that different from dt

[rancid geyser]

sienna as well

[late sapphire]

Saltzpyres Zealot (which martyrdom is inspired from) relies on thp entirely, as he gets buffs for being at low actual hp

[radiant frigate]

take a hit, do something, back to full

[late sapphire]

The thp talents in vt2 are really strong

[radiant frigate]

in fact you can bounce back way faster with toughness

[brazen rampart]

Cataclysm would instakill you, though.

[rancid geyser]

temp hp absorbed all the damage it covered

[radiant frigate]

and you do so passively between engagement

[rancid geyser]

ALL OF IT

and you could keep bleeding more into your hp pool

[radiant frigate]

mechanically yes but in practice you can play around toughness way more

[late sapphire]

Imagine if VoC existed in vermintide

[hidden rune]

merc

[brazen rampart]

It does.

[rancid geyser]

oh 100% i just think that characters felt tankier in VT2

[brazen rampart]

Mercenary's ability is voc.

[rancid geyser]

^

[brazen rampart]

Foot knight's ability is bullrush, too.

[late sapphire]

Not quite

But suuure

[hidden rune]

it was even better before they toned down the cdr talent

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, it's literally the same thing.

[radiant frigate]

voc is way more powerful than merc ult

[late sapphire]

It's the shout on roids

[radiant frigate]

merc ult will not make you take an overhead unscathed

voc will

[brazen rampart]

It's an aoe stagger to everything around you and generates temp hp.

[rancid geyser]

merc walkes so that vet could run

they even have the same VA no?

[radiant frigate]

no

[brazen rampart]

This is also forgetting that vet has other talents interacting with it, like overtoughness and iron will.

[late sapphire]

And chastise is handmaidens dash and the stealth is shades stealth and and and

[brazen rampart]

I'm saying base voc is the same as mercenary's shout.

[late sapphire]

And if you think about it assail is basically trueshot volley

[radiant frigate]

chastise is zealot dash

[rancid geyser]

Kreuger VA isnt one of the voices for male vet?

could have sworn

[brazen rampart]

Nope!

[radiant frigate]

zealot is literally just zealot

[late sapphire]

Ok true

[brazen rampart]

Female seer isn't the VA for sienna, either.

[late sapphire]

Martyrdom zealot is just zealot yeah

[brazen rampart]

Neither is female fanatic the same VA for kerillian.

[late sapphire]

And if you think about it zealots totem is just the warrior priest ult

[rancid geyser]

okay so kreugers voice actor is in darktide at least

just not as vet

[brazen rampart]

Hab dreyko vent purge sniper gauntlet...

[rancid geyser]

he;s the armoury servitor and the traitor captain XD

[radiant frigate]

the spirit of kerillian was transferred to fem loner

SIMPLETONS

I NEED HELP

[late sapphire]

ASSIST ME SIMPLETONS

Why is there no THE PSYKERS HORIZONTAL line?

[radiant frigate]

no dwarf

on that note, why is there no "the witch is a millstone around my neck" zealot line

[late sapphire]

Restricted to characters with the shortest height only...

[hidden rune]

Ogryn needs to say " these stairs go up " more

[late sapphire]

I feel that the ogryn corresponds to bardin, which deserves an entry in the book of grudges

[plucky flax]

Bolt pistol is funny man I love it.

[near wyvern]

Haven't tried it yet properly for new patch. The Warp Siphon way was nerfed a bit but malefic momentum was a buff.

[upper sun]

BOLT PISTOL BAD

btw why the fuck is the quick swap talent so fucking far away from MM?

unironiccally replace souldrinker with perilous assault

i know its not great but thats the wrong place for it

[plucky flax]

It's just mainly they made aiming less junk.

Jank

So it's easier to snipe specials now.

But yeah bye revolver

[upper sun]

they made boolet bigger instead of fixing the aiming

[plucky flax]

Revolver bullet is still cannon size so

And it's just cooler than revolver.

[upper sun]

how did this hit the DH

[plucky flax]

The reload animation remind me of the malorian Arms pistol in cp77

[upper sun]

bolter and bp have MASSIVE big ahh bullets now

[plucky flax]

Flip the mag before you slam it in.

[upper sun]

man CP was great

[plucky flax]

Yeah I aggrooed dh last round cos I shot a shooter near it

[unique mist]

IMO, they put souldrinker so far away because otherwise it'd be too easy to nab souldrinker on literally any build that grabs perilous combustion and wildfire or creeping flames further down - like, it'd be the default pick, y'know what i mean

[plucky flax]

Luckily there was a hammer zealot to dispatch it.

[upper sun]

my team here was great

[unique mist]

but also souldrinker is in the middle of all the weapon related talents so i do know where you are coming from

[upper sun]

pretty sure the other zealot and psyker were from the discord

[upper sun]

idk instead of forcing you to take bad nodes to get the good ones maybe everything should be good and you should get choices

[plucky flax]

I solo clutched with bolt pistol and got praised

[upper sun]

but hey we cant have shit on atoma

[plucky flax]

I also like bistol on vet for the commissar meme

But my game has so much micro stutter now it's annoying

[mystic pike]

hey can anyone give me some tips on the trauma staff

on how to use it effectively

[upper sun]

for starters how are you building it

[radiant frigate]

no more alice pegging?

[upper sun]

yes

i am reformed

[mystic pike]

crowd control

[upper sun]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2c085d-2fa8-4990-8c19-f11673c52623/trauma-inducing

i do this

last choice of points is either KR or KD

also maybe relentless instead of agile idk

i havent tested agile but it seems good

[radiant lance]

What's a good Gunker build these days? And would it work with any gun?

[mystic pike]

damn i'll really be sacrificing my dome shield

[upper sun]

yeah

you get a lot of damage from creeping flames

[mystic pike]

dome shield is normally my main source of protection those fuck man

[upper sun]

up to you but you wont need protection if things are dead

[mystic pike]

true

[radiant lance]

Umm, anyone?

[cosmic sigil]

SG + DD and doubling down on crits is a good start

Also, assail for ammo economy

[radiant lance]

What do SG and DD stand for?

[cosmic sigil]

Scryer Gaze and Disrupt Destiny

[stuck sinew]

None, gunker is trash

[radiant lance]

What about BB for long range targets when using shotgun/braced?

[radiant lance]

Is it actually?

[cosmic sigil]

Lol no

[cosmic sigil]

You can snipe with assail

[stuck sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-movies-animation-dream-works-quotes-gif-14836012

[cosmic sigil]

But bb works well too

[radiant lance]

When you say doubling down on crits, do you mean with blessings where possible?

[cosmic sigil]

Using a weapon liking crits

Vraks infantry autogun or recon lasgun 12 are good for that

Investing in crits nodes as well

You don't need headhunter on the recon if you go scryer Gaze

[radiant lance]

Why vraks and not agri?

[cosmic sigil]

The Vraks is dumdum and deathspitter/fire frenzy/raking fire

I am talking infantry autogun not braced though

Braced do not benefits that much from crits

Unlike infantry autogun, especially the Vraks

[radiant lance]

Why does vraks benefit more though?

[cosmic sigil]

Vraks has Crit strings of 3

[radiant lance]

Not sure what that means

[cosmic sigil]

One bullet grits, 3 crits

That's a string

[radiant lance]

Huh, I had no idea. So it's specialized for crits

[radiant frigate]

a bunch of automatic weapons have crit strings

if not all

to varying degrees

[radiant lance]

But Vraks has the best out of the autoguns

[radiant lance]

What about using guns that aren't necessarily crit guns, like revolver, double barrel, bolt pistol

Is it necessarily sub-optimal?

[brazen rampart]

Revolver is definitely a crit gun.

And so is db, because manstopper.

[radiant frigate]

stanmopper

[mossy oyster]

not sub optimal at all

DBarrel manstopper/scatter

agri/zarona revos with HC/ and surgical / crucian

[radiant lance]

Oh ok. Do they all use pretty much the same talent build?

[mossy oyster]

it can vary

with how you want your gunker set up

but theres usually always a baseline

take scriers, path towards DD (if you wanna spam assail for some reason in scriers) go towards EP

etc

[cosmic sigil]

Every gun that does a lot of DMG on Crit benefits from Crit talents / aura / powers

[brazen rampart]

Or a gun that has crit oriented blessings, like hand cannon and manstopper.

[radiant lance]

What's EP?

[mossy oyster]

empowered psionics

middle tree keystone

[radiant lance]

So basically scriers, DD and crit nodes are the baseline? Anything else I should be aware of?

[brazen rampart]

Pick up empathetic evasion every time.

You will thank me later.

(considers you to be dodging vs ranged attacks any time you crit for 1s, and you're gonna be critting a lot)

[radiant lance]

Gotcha will do

[cosmic sigil]

Also if you take assail, put a point in soul stealer

Don't forget mettle and the other one just below (prescience?)

[radiant lance]

This? Why though?

I guess for Assail it would be good

[upper sun]

Its good on everything

[radiant lance]

How do I take a picture of my entire talent tree? Figure there's a mod for it

[brazen rampart]

This doesn't sound good, but it is.

Anything considered warp damage will deal more damage.

[radiant lance]

On a Gunker build it would be good only for your blitz, no?

[brazen rampart]

That's empowered force sword attacks, both m1 and m2 staff attacks, and your blitzes.

I believe it also affects soulblaze?

[radiant lance]

Other than Precog, is there any other node really worth taking in scrier's?

[brazen rampart]

The TDR one...

I don't remember them off the top of my head, tbh.

There's only 2 worth taking.

I think its the top one and the one thats by itself, if that makes sense.

Gameslantern saving me ONCE.

Endurance and Precognition are the nodes you want.

[radiant lance]

Gotcha

[radiant frigate]

does endurance persist in the lingering effect

[radiant lance]

So something like this?

[latent mauve]

I’d have fucking died laughing

[brazen rampart]

No KD is kinda a yeesh from me but yeah this works.

[radiant lance]

OK here it is in one pic

[mossy oyster]

dont take battle meditation its pretty mid

if you're going left just use PC as the branching node

(perilous combustion)

[radiant lance]

What's KD?

[radiant lance]

Is PC actually gonna be doing anything though? 3 stacks of blaze doesn't sound like it'd do much

[mystic pike]

question is it better to use wp or ep?

[brazen rampart]

This has 6 points left to play with.

[mystic pike]

on the purg staff

[brazen rampart]

Personally I would use assail for gunker.

[mossy oyster]

always worth to me

especially on gunker

soulblaze is extra DPS

im never turning down extra DPS

[brazen rampart]

But I am also a huge true aim simp.

[radiant lance]

I'm making two different builds, one with assail one with BB

So I could use one with shorter range weapons and one with longer range weapons

[mystic pike]

better to use ws or ep on purg staff?

[deep pine]

https://streamable.com/lnj5uo could anyone tell me is this normal attack speed or some sort of quell cancel macro?

[brazen rampart]

That's a macro.

[deep pine]

He denies it..says it's because Gaze + perilous assault

[radiant frigate]

bing chilling

[radiant lance]

What blessings do you take on DS?

Precog is probably a must but not sure about 2nd

[eternal junco]

uncanny and whatever fits your build

[deep pine]

I like thrust

[eternal junco]

thrust is alright if you fully charge your heavies ig

[mystic pike]

oh well guess i'll ask another time wether i should take empowered psionics for brain burst or take warp siphon for dome shield and purg staff

[plucky flax]

WS more damage. EP is for bb specials/elites sniping I guess.

Make a build for both. Personally I only play ep bb burga on monsters maelstrom.

To quickly burst them down.

[radiant lance]

Is that the consensus 'must have'?

[eternal junco]

uncanny is just broken on weakpoint weapons

[mystic pike]

ok got it and @plucky flax thank you for the help with answering my question

[radiant frigate]

are there any weapons where you do not want to click heads

[eternal junco]

yes

horde clearers where you just spam heavy sweeps

[radiant frigate]

outside of maulers with non-AP weapons, that is

[weary crane]

Honestly kinetic deflection is only goated because you can rev teammates without being stunned

[eternal junco]

nope

you can also facetank entire hordes or boss charges

[weary crane]

Yes I know but that is situational

[eternal junco]

blocking hordes is pretty gen use

[weary crane]

I use it for "one with the warp" and "warp rider" so it get increased damage and damage reduction by literally just holding right click

[dusky iris]

Does the +ranged damage apply to staff attacks?

[radiant lance]

Oh hey, what combat shotgun is good on Gunker?

[ancient plover]

does scryers work with any staff other than voidstrike in particular?

[stoic vessel]

any1 got assail build or is that just taken from gunker/staff builds

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[eternal junco]

yes

trauma blaze, surge in general

not great with purgatus

[ancient plover]

dump stat for lasgun is stability right?

why is electro staff

bugged with scryers dafuq?

[radiant lance]

Is Inferno stuff still considered kinda bad?

Actually generally speaking are any staves considered bad?

[ancient plover]

am I missing something? when I activate scryers and get the lingering buff

[midnight hull]

Whoever has said inferno is bad, is themselves bad. Is good. Every staff is good.

[ancient plover]

I still overcharge even tho I should not gbe able to

[white umbra]

hello im a psyker noob, which staff is worth it?

[plucky flax]

Blaze away boosted it up significantly post patch.

It used to be meh, outshoned by blaze trauma.

But now it's crazy strong with blaze away stacking so fast.

Meanwhile blaze trauma t4 blazing spirits blessing is a meme.

[radiant lance]

How do you make a 'blaze trauma'?

[midnight hull]

All of them. Just try each one, see what you like. I would say inferno and surge are the best without many blessings for new players.

[white umbra]

thank you!

[radiant lance]

Which blessings does each staff want?

[white umbra]

what is the dumpstat on staffs and the force sword?

[radiant lance]

On force swords it's mobility

[white umbra]

and staffs?

[midnight hull]

Some staffs have multiple builds . Like theres rending for trauma, and soulblaze.

[radiant lance]

In fact I think nearly every weapon that has mobility as a stat has it as its dump stat I think

[plucky flax]

Nexus blazing spirits voidblast formerly trauma.

[latent mauve]

It’s not mobility

[eternal junco]

It's just a trauma staff with blaze and nexus blessings

[latent mauve]

It’s warp resist

[eternal junco]

Then you spec crit chance

And you knockdown+ignite everything

[radiant lance]

Oh crap, right

Force sword is one of the few melees that doesn't have mobility as its dump

[radiant lance]

Sounds great. Thanks

[spiral minnow]

heya, what are some recommended builds to aim for? .)
played with assail and second build with purgatus to light stagger harder difficulties year back

wanna feel overpowered and overgeared ideally xD

[rigid sky]

All 4 staves are great, and so are guns

What do you like the idea of most basically?

[radiant lance]

So nearly all staves want Warp Flurry, right?

[rigid sky]

My strongest builds are probably my assail gunker, my EP brainburst voidblast, and my WS brain burst inferno

[rigid sky]

Eh, idk about that these days

[white umbra]

which force sword is the best and what perks should i run on a force sword?

[rigid sky]

Inferno doesn't like it now that there are better choices; blaze trauma (warpblast) doesn't take it because it needs blazing spirit and nexus, and warpstrike often doesn't take it for a nukey build (Surge + nexus usually)

[rigid sky]

Deimos for a single target focus, or illisi for hordes

[white umbra]

what perks do you recommend?

[analog agate]

Caveat on it being fixed on electro staff.

Yes on electro staff.
Possible to use on void and blast.
No on inferno

[rigid sky]

Treat them as entirely different entities (deimos works kinda like a chainsword but illisi works very like a power sword)

[rigid sky]

I take carapace/maniac uncanny/deflector on my Deimos and Slaughterer/Uncanny flak/maniac on my Illisi

There's a lot of options though

[spiral minnow]

last time when i tryied scryers it didnt click with me, maybe i played it bad, i liked assail for lower difficulties, but relying jsut on it creates bad habits, rn only good sword i ahve is the horde clearer one mark 4 or 5, deimos or ilssi, dont remmber which is which .)
anyway i stick to veteran gunplay, zealot mostly melee play, ogryn horde clear with heavy guns and psyker should feel different for me

[ancient plover]

Can anyone confirm that the electro staff with scryers is bugged?

[rigid sky]

Remember that on a psyker, your melee is your secondary weapon, so you can build it around your weaknesses

[ancient plover]

Why can I overcharge with Surge staff but not voidstrike or assail?

[rigid sky]

Gunker is crazy good now though, it feels very different from a veteran imo

[radiant lance]

So what does elector want? Warp + Surge?

[rigid sky]

But doesn't appeal to everybody

[rigid sky]

Electrowank wants nexus and flurry I think?

Unless it's changed now

[radiant lance]

Just curious, in what way is it different from Veteran do you think?

I mean surge seems pretty stronk

unless it's primary only

[rigid sky]

So it's most similar specifically to an ex stance/MF veteran but the bonuses are maintained and stacked differently

[spiral minnow]

might give it a retry .) if u can recommend how to build around it, and tell me how to use it? some quick tutorial, maybe it will be good .)

[rigid sky]

Bingo. Only Warpstrike gets to use the Surge blessing for its secondary fire

[rigid sky]

Duelling Sword 4 and a vraks 5 infantry autogun

[radiant lance]

Oof. OK then flurry + warp nexus makes ense.

Btw it's voidstrike, not warpstrike

[radiant lance]

it's void on all of the staves

[rigid sky]

I would take that just for the sheer joy of how busted assail is now

[ancient plover]

this does not work correctly with electrokinetic staff or am I just not reading it correctly?

[radiant lance]

So what does Voidstrike want except Surge?

[ancient plover]

When I spam rightclick with surge staff while Scryers is active I just get overloaded

and down

[spiral minnow]

i can handle autogun but never was good with dueling sword, played that one badly too i suppose and felt always extra squishy .)

[deep pine]

it's bugged

it's on fatshakrs known bug list

[ancient plover]

Okay so Its not just me because early I asked what staffs work with scryers went into auric mission with it and kept downing myself

[deep pine]

yeah def not you

[ancient plover]

man that would be such a good combo

spamming high crit chance surge

[ancient plover]

alright

Its been so long since I used the trauma staff

it works with that one atleast?

[rigid sky]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d2c4697-117f-4d6c-91d6-a705cdbc6630 something like this

[rigid sky]

So let me tell you about the joy of a DS4 on gunker in particular

[deep pine]

on china server (HK) I see so many quell cancel macro cheaters recently lol

[rigid sky]

Scrier's Gaze and Disrupt Destiny are absolutely busted on it

You can clear hordes with light attacks

[plucky flax]

It's not cheating.

It's just good gaming chair.

[rigid sky]

And you can kill Crushers in two head stabs with heavies

[deep pine]

lol right, never heard that joke before.

[radiant lance]

Why specifically in DS4?

[plucky flax]

[rigid sky]

Because it's so fast and has great Finesse modifiers

And it kills things that your guns and assail don't (ie carapace)

Deimos still struggles a lot vs hordes, and Illisi isn't the best against Crushers

DS4 with DD and SG does it all

[spiral minnow]

ill give it a try, ty

and if it wouldnt click still, what about staffs? is there something great? last time played with purgatus (light stagger) and voidstaff (crit with surge), never tryied other 2, any good OP things with those? .)

[rigid sky]

Haven't tried electro in this patch yet

The other 3 are all great though

Inferno in particular got a massive glow up this patch

[spiral minnow]

how so?

[rigid sky]

Access to Blaze Away blessing

And new soulblaze talent

Blaze Away / Warp Nexus is non negotiable for inferno imo

[spiral minnow]

gonna check how my staff looks rn .)

[analog agate]

I have to try inferno. Before, blaze trauma was just a better purg. Now, maybe inferno has a purpose

[rigid sky]

Different rather than better tbh

Purgatus much better into bosses for instance

[spiral minnow]

all i have, other things are really weak and many things at 300-400 itemlvl, will have to build some arsenal for other things to try

but i saw here the staff with super big aoe, that good? for something other than horde clear?

[analog agate]

You want blast radius or warp res as dump stat on void. Now, is it a must? No. I have been using one with 80% radius before the patch and it is still good.

Pairing it with assail is fun though

[cloud sequoia]

tried the left click surge build

its disgusting

[analog agate]

It hurts my fingy too much😢

[spiral minnow]

surge is the electrical one? did they rename it? xD which one is the aoe one

i guess voidblast, wtf .) so many changes i feel like playing for the first time .)

how do i get that big blast radius like i saw here earlier? mine is super small like 1,5 m diameter .)