psyker-class

[radiant frigate]

just sucks with sg

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

[analog agate]

Maybe they will fix the bug

[nocturne dust]

also if assail is your favorite part of gunker, that's not gunker that's an assail build

[radiant frigate]

what if it's melee psyker

[lyric burrow]

gunker is short for melee psyker anyway

[plucky flax]

Made a guy ragequitted already

[lyric burrow]

the gun just happens to be there

[radiant frigate]

and my main weapons are sword and sword (thrown)

[runic juniper]

assail is there to just give warp kills and peril to keep my gun topped off

[radiant frigate]

gun in case of reapers or bosses

pew pew

[mossy oyster]

assail is used to stun ranged before they stun you

[nocturne dust]

why not bring staff for melee? means you get to hit bosses with sword

[mossy oyster]

or outright kill them

thats how it should be used on gunker anyway

but people dont really do that

[lyric burrow]

also kills elite packs before they can disperse

[mossy oyster]

yer

[radiant frigate]

hitting boss with sword perilous and not as effective as torching bonbon with lasgun

[mossy oyster]

it nukes groups before they scatter

[lyric burrow]

but yeah stunning flamers and stuff before they can blast you so you can melee is big

[mossy oyster]

or it staggers/kills ranged before they can stagger/kill you

[lyric burrow]

makes the exp much smoother

[nocturne dust]

fake melee psyker, smh my head

[mossy oyster]

yep

[runic juniper]

assail is used to consistently blow up flamers as teammates are meleeing them

[lyric burrow]

one quick shard is enough

which is like 0.2 seconds for a stun

• travel time obv

[mossy oyster]

assail should always be thrown as extra DPS+backup when meleeing

[radiant frigate]

give me good options that aren't ds4

[mossy oyster]

its also fun to watch all the needles fly around and kill shit while you melee

[nocturne dust]

Deimos ain't bad. Illisi ain't bad either.

[lyric burrow]

yeah i think people underrate even like 1 or 2 assail shards while meleeing

[radiant frigate]

illisi boss damage is.. something

[nocturne dust]

You could also use a knife.

[radiant frigate]

no

[runic juniper]

seriously though, I hate how easily assail sets off flamer backpacks, suddenly your dealing with a burster that does half the damage

[radiant frigate]

that's like dueling sword but bad

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-knife-running-with-knives-gif-13862209

[tired estuary]

I love how easily assail sets off flamer backpacks

[lyric burrow]

Hsword/deimos/obscurus is good if you can put up with the moveset

knife as mentioned '

DS2 and 5 are also fine

[mossy oyster]

@lyric burrow

gunker curios

[nocturne dust]

You could also use axe

[lyric burrow]

Dclaw too

is fine

[runic juniper]

first one didnt load so im assuming its another toughness lol

[lyric burrow]

first broke sad

but it would be health

[mossy oyster]

just click on it

[lyric burrow]

they said 2 toughness one health

[runic juniper]

it would

right????

[runic juniper]

ok cool

[mossy oyster]

205 hp

dont get 1 shotted by bursters and snipers

[lyric burrow]

yeah thats fine, i dont personally take stam regen on psyker but not like theres a ton of options

for perks

[mossy oyster]

yeah and im also trying out lower toughness

and its fine

[lyric burrow]

its an understandable one

[mossy oyster]

150 -> 120 toughness isnt so bad

I actually also like ally speed but I took 2 stam regens over it instead of 2 ally rev speed

cause I run around alot

ally rev speed is goated though

[lyric burrow]

i like 150 personally, i can live past that

er i can live without more than that

[runic juniper]

i take only the 21% hp +5hp + corruption reduction thats enough to turn 2 bursts till dead into 3. donno about snipers that just sounds like a skill issue to me

[lunar hollow]

corruption res grim resis hound resist

[lyric burrow]

josho jumpscare

[mossy oyster]

i never get hit by snipers but if I get clipped by one I dont feel like getting 1 shotted

call it w/e you want

[lyric burrow]

you would execute me on the spot

putting this on for our duo runs

[radiant frigate]

oh, obscurus has some juice, hold on

[mossy oyster]

you never need sniper curios

until you actually do

its one of those

[lunar hollow]

i caught stan with hound resist on a curio once and he tried to fucking LIE to my face about it

[lyric burrow]

lmao

[runic juniper]

you got sniper resist too Id assume 1 sniper las to the head is healthy

[clear heath]

sorry i don't believe in reviving
I want more spectators

[nocturne dust]

only 1? Why not 3?

[radiant frigate]

#psyker-class message

[runic juniper]

but i like my toughness. i take 5 tough over health. im so sad psyker aint tanky enough to go full toughness

[clear heath]

we need a barrel knockback increase curio

[real merlin]

So, I never used Scrier's Gaze. How is it best used with Voidstrike?

[radiant frigate]

real obscurus boss damage

pre-patch

[runic juniper]

the knockback is the real danger here.

[mossy oyster]

ally revive speed is broken on soyker

KD + warp unbound

= free celerity stimm blocking

[clear heath]

alternatively you can just let them die

[lyric burrow]

yeah rev speed is one id consider over a 3rd gunner resist or w/e

at least if you play with randos

[clear heath]

filter out the weak

[nocturne dust]

add in unlucky for some

[mossy oyster]

sorry a real carry can revive and wipe everything on the map at the same time

[nocturne dust]

do it

[mossy oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1202399927322419230.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[runic juniper]

like how do teammates even die before the space wizard? its not like you can blow up on them to do almost all their health

[weary crane]

Just spent 1 hour clutching.... and then got stuck in the roof of an elevator and couldnt get out...

[runic juniper]

i miss vt1 sienna

[late sapphire]

i miss setting saltzpyre on fire 😔

[raw token]

elf can never be topped

[clear heath]

there's this thing called barrels you might be interested in

or poxbursters

all it takes is some "accidents"

[nocturne dust]

that's because she's a top

[runic juniper]

its not good enough. they should do more than ledge people. I want their 5 wound healthbars gone

[nocturne dust]

I'm always the last to die in pubs.

if I die at all. Sometimes I don't. But I tend to choke when I find myself carrying.

[full panther]

what's the dump for electrokinetic staff? Guessing quell speed?

[plucky flax]

Why choke? Just chill and clutch.

[plucky flax]

Warp resistance.

[nocturne dust]

is stressful 😭

[runic juniper]

as long as i have at least 1 crutch like peril block or shield im fine. if I dont then the game just throws the most insane shit as I get close to rescue

[runic juniper]

any staff makes easy clutches too

[clear heath]

fatshark won't give me solo mode but they gave me barrels
clearly they're trying to send me a message

[runic juniper]

this is true

[nocturne dust]

some of us are normal

[clear heath]

untrue

[runic juniper]

you are literally in psyker chat

[lyric burrow]

You can make solo mode

[clear heath]

yeah that's what the barrels are for

[lyric burrow]

Exactly

[nocturne dust]

I never said I was normal

[clear heath]

darktide players are not normal

[runic juniper]

we have an unawoken here

[lyric burrow]

Wym most people dont dedicate a large portion of the last 2 years of their lives to a niche horde shooter with slow updates

[nocturne dust]

Darktide players would be shot on sight by commissars

[clear heath]

yeah i love spending 1k+ hours on a dying game
perfectly normal

[upper sun]

we are all very normal people

[upper sun]

2k+

[runic juniper]

but yeah I constantly split off the group to loot plasteel, even now that theres not a real need to. being in a clutch is basically the same thing but all your teammates are knife stealth zealots who dont do shit

[upper sun]

I loot

not because i need it but because ive been doing it so long i forgot how to not loot

[runic juniper]

im never going to stop being a loot goblin no matter how much plasteel i have

[clear heath]

I don't even think it makes sense to loot anymore

[nocturne dust]

same

[clear heath]

probably better to speedrun the game for ordo

[upper sun]

nah

[lyric burrow]

I think i have 200k and that is essentially infinite at this point

[upper sun]

a godroll weapon is like what now

[runic juniper]

still worth the medpacks and stims honestly

[upper sun]

200k dockets and 1k diamantine?

[clear heath]

i blew through 400k the other day because the game hates me

[sweet steeple]

what is max level for curio? 250?

[runic juniper]

hordes slow down if you dont move forward. waited 5 minutes in one place on high intensity damnation just waiting for a horde once

[upper sun]

400k what?

[upper sun]

nope around 420

[clear heath]

hadron showed me godroll potential and then shifted the numbers as i upgraded

400k ordo dockets

[upper sun]

youll get better curios when you're level 30

[upper sun]

still nothing by old standards kek

[sweet steeple]

what are you supposed to use for curios? +1 wound, toughness and health?

[clear heath]

but anyways i don't think plasteel matters anymore

[upper sun]

never wounds on psyker

[sweet steeple]

why?

[clear heath]

yeah i'm broke rn while regretting the millions i spent back then

[upper sun]

instead of having a wound you can have toughness or HP or stamina which would all stop you from dying better than a wound

[runic juniper]

wounds in general are iffy since you sacrifice health and toughness which make you go down less, to go down more

[upper sun]

but no harm in using one as you're levelling but try not to get used to having an extra wound

[lyric burrow]

Your also gambling on people being able to get you up twice

[sweet steeple]

so 2 health 1 tough?

[lyric burrow]

To even use them fully

[tired estuary]

counterpoint: I can take a wound curio, go down once then huff a green stimmie right before medicae and make people mad

[upper sun]

real

[clear heath]

Yeah a wound kinda means you expect most of your teammates to be better than you.
Fine early on, but you should grow out of that eventually

[upper sun]

the psyker guide goes on length about this

i do stamina hp toughness

[clear heath]

not only do they have to live longer than you, the situation also has to be tame enough for them to actually reach you

[lethal lagoon]

[sweet steeple]

where can i find this?

[lethal lagoon]

pinners

[upper sun]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

this is ur second cig

u ok?

[lethal lagoon]

No. Wanna play some games?

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its rare a situation is tame enough you can be revived twice unless your dying in places you shouldnt be

[upper sun]

maybe

whats up rn

[lethal lagoon]

I dunno, I didn't open it yet

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/saw22-saw-jigsaw-look-gif-5975392338676516100

[upper sun]

do YOU?

[nocturne dust]

🤔

Sure

[lethal lagoon]

I'm too lazy to mic and clad is pretty shy, so it'd be just normal games

[upper sun]

so tru so tru im so shy

[lethal lagoon]

[nocturne dust]

I don't use mic either

[lethal lagoon]

^ this is clad reading discord

[upper sun]

(i live in a dorm and my mic wont connect correctly)

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

can u guies carry me

im gonna play ogryn

[lethal lagoon]

I'll carry the game until like 80% of the way through

Then I'll die to a backshot

[upper sun]

hell yeah

[nocturne dust]

I'll vary. I'll either be really good or really bad.

[lethal lagoon]

I'm always good, but there's a higher than normal chance of death.

[nocturne dust]

50/50

[lethal lagoon]

Too much crack

[jovial juniper]

Observation
Surety seems to apply on loading special shot but without costing peril

More tests required

Maybe pairing with extra reload speed perk.....

Hmmm

[weary crane]

https://youtu.be/paxRlfTgPgA?si=7RTUgMnWsL1xdvKp

[desert yoke]

does anyone have a strong pyro build?

[jovial juniper]

Ok
Slugger psyker seems like a doable thing

Slyker (?)

[wind spruce]

Surety feels really good with combat shotties hey

Especially since you're often only loading a few shells in downtime, you barely notice the peril

[fallow dock]

Can the sg 20% movement speed buff be worth it? I use it and find if fun but idk if my talent point is better spent elsewhere

[wind spruce]

Yes, movement speed is OP

[fresh reef]

It's very good, especially if you're taking Empyric Resolve to stay in SG longer

[fallow dock]

Ok awesome ty

[rancid geyser]

so i tried surge staff with surge and warp nexus

[fallow dock]

😋

[rancid geyser]

warp nexus + surge legit feels better to use than warp flurry and warp nexus

and lmb actually does damage

[wind spruce]

Use flurry surge like the emporer intended

[rancid geyser]

that would gimp the living shit out of damage

[sonic gale]

for gunker, what blessings would be the best here?

[wind spruce]

It really doesn't

[rancid geyser]

26.5% increased rmb, and 5% crit vs 26.5% increased rmb and +20% crit

or just go +25% crit and double the shots on lmb

1 out of the 3 is vastly less damage

[wind spruce]

It's 38% increased RMB

[clear heath]

flurry is also just bugged

[wind spruce]

Because of maths

[lethal lagoon]

Come back here plasteel slurper @upper sun

[upper sun]

no

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

i need to do stuff tomorrow

[lethal lagoon]

[nocturne dust]

I need to do stuff today, lol

[rancid geyser]

25.5%

my bad

but its mos def not 38%

[upper sun]

i delayed pushing the burster here to not kill the random

im so nice!!

[clear heath]

This bug still hasn't been patched right?

[lethal lagoon]

Charging peril is time based brother.

So you generate less peril = more shots

[wind spruce]

Bro that's literally how maths works

You know how if you reduce cast time by 50% you don't get 50% more casts, you actually get 100%?

[lethal lagoon]

Oh you are talking about something else

Ignore the clown

Yeppers

[wind spruce]

Because 1/0.5 is 2

[lethal lagoon]

It's like armor math

[rancid geyser]

i dont disagree with this, i disagree with the other dude's math

[lethal lagoon]

It's armor math bro

[clear heath]

isn't that like 34% more then in flurry's case?

[wind spruce]

Math hard

[clear heath]

or actually less, because you're not speeding up the entire animation, just the charge

[strong gulch]

maths 😩

[rancid geyser]

it would be 1/255 tho

you arent event aking the actual numbers

lmao

[wind spruce]

What are you on about

What are you on about 1-0.265=0.735

[lethal lagoon]

Holy crap I'm an idiot today, anyways, it's:

[wind spruce]

1/0.735=1.36 (i slightly forgot the actual number but point stands)

[lethal lagoon]

1 / (1-.255)

[rancid geyser]

8.5 x 3 = 25.5

not 26.5%

[lethal lagoon]

So 34%

[wind spruce]

Ooh it's only 34%

[clear heath]

yeah i was right

[wind spruce]

Point totally invalidated

Wait no it isn't

26.5% was from your comment but yeah

[lethal lagoon]

I mean he's still wrong

[clear heath]

I thought i was insane because everyone was throwing numbers that didn't make sense

[lethal lagoon]

You are just less right

[rancid geyser]

it was corrected tho

you just aint read

[wind spruce]

Nah you were rught

I read homie

[lethal lagoon]

ANYWAYS, warp flurry = 34% more casts.

So point stands

[wind spruce]

I'm slightly less right on a technical basis, you're still 100% wrong that it's an vastly less

[lethal lagoon]

🧍‍♂️

[rancid geyser]

and i thin its good but im still arguing against going warp flurry + surge

instead of warp flurry and warp nexus

[lethal lagoon]

warp flurry surge is the highest DPS, it's been tested

True aim MVP

[rancid geyser]

on rmb?

[wind spruce]

Ofc on rmb

[lethal lagoon]

On voidstrike rmb?

[rancid geyser]

NO

[lethal lagoon]

That's what we are talking about right?

[rancid geyser]

NOT VOIDSTRIKE

[clear heath]

on surge staff

[lethal lagoon]

[rancid geyser]

SURGE STAFF

[analog agate]

…

[clear heath]

the whole convo was about electro staff

[analog agate]

No way Atlas missed that

[lethal lagoon]

WTF are you even discussing for, obviously warp nexus warp flurry

[rancid geyser]

like wtf is going on

[wind spruce]

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRO STAFF SURGE UGH

[lethal lagoon]

I missed it cause this is a pointless discussion

[analog agate]

Hahaha

[wind spruce]

You're right

[rancid geyser]

lets read now

[clear heath]

people are starting to care about lmb dps is why

[wind spruce]

I live in upside down world so I am excused

[rancid geyser]

like the bottom half sums up how much sense this convo didnt make

when it initially was about surge staff

[strong gulch]

The notification dots. 😭

[lethal lagoon]

As I said, the basis of this conversation is so ridiculous I didn't even comprehend this was about surge staff.

[rancid geyser]

i get pinged too much

[clear heath]

mr popular

[lethal lagoon]

No one ever pings me

[rancid geyser]

most of them are friend servers, i have been neglecting my ppl

for darktide

[lethal lagoon]

Most of my servers are muted emote servers

But still, they should overcome discord settings

[eternal junco]

does the surge blessing proc on voidstrike's charge shot?

the shooting twice bit

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah

Only on Voidstrike.

[eternal junco]

ic

[rancid geyser]

no maniac

now if only i had good aim

[wind spruce]

I see people comparing surge dps, I assume void

[rancid geyser]

i wasnt even comparing the dps

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah but you have like a 72% buff to aim in the pysch

[rancid geyser]

just said it felt better

[wind spruce]

Yeah my bad homie, I apologise

[rancid geyser]

and i still suck

[rancid geyser]

you are good, i was mostly just puzzled

lmao

[analog agate]

You know what is great? This would have been fixed if we all refer to surge staff as electrokinetic staff

[lethal lagoon]

LMB builds definitely work, but unless you are maining lmb I can't imagine nexus surge being the play for surge

[clear heath]

i don't wanna get into the lmb surge staff thing because i have to play with 180 ping in half my games and my aim sucks

[lethal lagoon]

Mods.

[rancid geyser]

yeah but every time i use the new names i feel like an outsider

and i already am

just wanted to take a break from vety

[wind spruce]

180 ping is unbearable

[clear heath]

I play with friends on the other side of the planet and we kinda alternate servers

so sometimes i just have to live with it

[strong gulch]

ball maxxing = surge

[wind spruce]

This is why I'm not friends with atlas

[rancid geyser]

i kinda wanna try a few more aurics just using both because sometimes i really need to lmb to get far dudes

[clear heath]

most of my psyker games are when i play in their region and don't wanna aim

[rancid geyser]

the 1 auric i tried so far went well

[strong gulch]

Who needs to aim? Just shoot funny balls and die.

[rancid geyser]

by die you mean me?

cause i mos def will after missing 80% of my shots

[glad meadow]

i got 4 point surplus?

[strong gulch]

I am good at shooting toes.

[lethal lagoon]

It's for a special blessing only beta users have.

It's not useful, but it's cool to have

[glad meadow]

ooh? what is it?

[strong gulch]

Ye. It was supposed to be fixed, but as you can see..

[lethal lagoon]

It reduces peril by 5%

Just flat.

As I said, not useful, but it's a cool nod

[glad meadow]

should i change my staff

[lethal lagoon]

crit hit damage doesn't do anything in this game.

It only applies to the difference between a normal hit and a crit hit, not the whole hit

switch it to flak damage

because Electrokinetic( ) only hits body armor, most important enemies are flak

[glad meadow]

what about the other group? Should i go for carapace armor?

[lethal lagoon]

No, only crushers are carpace

You want elites/5% crit chance/maniacs/ or unyielding

[glad meadow]

what bout 2 shot on crit hit or head shot?

[analog agate]

Ahhhh look at you. Thank you for trying

[strong gulch]

If you really hate crushers and don't care about optimizing a build, choose cara. Otherwise don't choose cara.

[lethal lagoon]

Surge blessing on works on lmb for that staff

The standard build for this staff is spamming RMB

Lmb builds got a buff recently though

[glad meadow]

is scryer gaze not work woth staff

[lethal lagoon]

No it's bugged with surge

[clear heath]

elites or crit is also a good middle ground if you only kinda hate crushers

[lethal lagoon]

You can use it for lmb, but for rmb you'll blow up during warp unbound

[glad meadow]

i died an embarassing amount of time

can i build this staff for rapid fire?

or some other type of staff is better

[lethal lagoon]

For lmb you mean?

[rancid geyser]

lmb slaughtering ragers is funny to me

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, you can do nexus surge and spam lmb

[rancid geyser]

the little shits

[glad meadow]

the quick cast

[jovial juniper]

It seems like it's buffing how fast you load your special shot but it's costing 0 peril when you do so

[glad meadow]

no staff called nexus

[lethal lagoon]

Nexus surge blessings

warp nexus + surge

For lmb spam

[strong gulch]

Warp Unbound (WU) is bugged on surge staff (electro) charged and all of purg (inferno). It works for other things, BUT the protection doesn't always kicking in right when scrier's gaze ends, so you can still blow up.

It's fun to use, but it's buggy.

[lethal lagoon]

Electro staff is probably the best because you have an extra base like 20% crit for spamming lmb

[glad meadow]

is this staff goof or spam, or is it another type of staff

[rancid geyser]

let the degeneracy commence

[lethal lagoon]

Bro, fuck fatshark for changng the names of the staves

I can't anymore.

[clear heath]

lmao

[rancid geyser]

68.5% crit is overkill or nah?

[glad meadow]

how do i throw rock grenade?

[clear heath]

how did you even

[rancid geyser]

degeneracy

[strong gulch]

assail?

[clear heath]

68.5% on surge staff?

[orchid ibex]

changing the names of everything is completely demented behavior

[rancid geyser]

technically i can get 73.5% but thats OD

[rancid geyser]

yeah

[queen fog]

Lmb for rapid fire Rmb for focused targeting

[analog agate]

Dump stat on void is blast radius…. WHICH ONE? Don’t worry, the mistakes will happen constantly

[glad meadow]

no, the big rock that one shot mutant

how do i throw it

[queen fog]

What?

[glad meadow]

last game, i saw a psyker do it

he throw a rock that one shot a mutant

[strong gulch]

I have issues with word retrieval and memory in general. The names are rough.

[queen fog]

Closest thing to that would be the voidstrike ball but I don’t think that’s what ur talking bout

[strong gulch]

That's an ogryn thing.

[clear heath]

guys is void staff better than void staff?

[upper sun]

PING

[glad meadow]

hmm, it look like a rock or a brick though, it bounce off the mutant head making it rag doll

orgyn?

[lethal lagoon]

[glad meadow]

i guess its an orgyn thing to do

but the orgyn was like a map away

[queen fog]

Ogryns are the only operators with access to rock

[clear heath]

rock goes far

[queen fog]

He must’ve made a pretty good toss then

[lethal lagoon]

Fun part of rock is cross map sniping

[glad meadow]

you meant to say that a dumb orgyn have the aim of a sniper

[queen fog]

Yea

[rancid geyser]

the ragdolls from rocks is gold

[orchid ibex]

ogryn rock has like 100% accuracy

[rancid geyser]

wont lie

[queen fog]

They’re smart at fighting and eating, don’t need to be good at much else as a ogryn imo

[glad meadow]

i need to try that out

btw, how do you intended to use void blast?

it seemed to charge really slowly and doesn't seem to do a lot of damage

[queen fog]

Aim ahead of target, get warp flurry blessings so u can spam it more

And simply get good

[orchid ibex]

@glad meadow i have more luck doing the blaze version

[glad meadow]

well get good is one thing, it just seem to do really poor damage

[sonic gale]

is toughness regen pointless?

[glad meadow]

also, is all staff have the nexus / warp flurry as the preferred combo?

[analog agate]

Blaze build is way to use blast staff. One of the highest dps builds psyker has

[rancid geyser]

i now believe in lmb supremecy on surge staff, but the rmb is still useable XD

until i get capped in the ass and revert

[analog agate]

I may try a lmb build and rebind my rmb to r to get a more consistent quell canceling

[lethal lagoon]

what?

[strong gulch]

It's what keep psyker alive.

Edit: Misread regen as generation.

[analog agate]

Instead of tapping r key inbetween shots i tap rmb

Easier rhythm

[fresh reef]

no idea what I'm trying to cook here, someone give advice

[rancid geyser]

toughness regen does not

its not the same as generation

its the passive regen you get from being in coherency

on the curio

[lethal lagoon]

I can't fathom how that would be easier, but if it's actually easier for you, that's pretty interesting.

[gloomy yarrow]

is the melee heavy boost from smite do anything good or should I skip it

[strong gulch]

REgen not generation. Me not being able to read again. Classic™️

[lethal lagoon]

Cause you are also aiming with the mouse, it's a bit much all together, no?

[analog agate]

I don’t know if it will be lol. Hence, why I am going to try it

[plucky flax]

He's a telekine psyker.

[rancid geyser]

oof i wasnt saying that -- just that ppl do think regen actually affects how much toughness you generate when it doesn't

[orchid ibex]

isn't it still worth stacking some regen since you get the coherency top-off faster?

[glad meadow]

btw, can anyone tell me what each of the staff type is good at

[brazen rampart]

Step 1, get out of the kitchen.

[strong gulch]

I said it tho. LOL

It's a constant problem tbh.

[brazen rampart]

You are NOT cooking.

[rancid geyser]

you only start regen after not being hit

so maybe, but on psyker you probably never need it with all the generation you have

[lethal lagoon]

New tree means less gen, plus there's ER

[plucky flax]

I am Unsanctioned so I do spells from all the psyking disciplines.

[lethal lagoon]

Toughness regen is back on the curio menu

[orchid ibex]

@rancid geyser out of curiosity, which perks would you say are better on psyker curios?

[lethal lagoon]

mettle also got nerfed

[rancid geyser]

even with ER you generate more than enough

[glad meadow]

i wanna try to do a build that just chaining back to back brain burst

[lethal lagoon]

Not if you are a full on crackhead

[rancid geyser]

wrong person to ask this one

[glad meadow]

but that mfking aimnig on brain burst is so fucking stupid

[rancid geyser]

i only stated what i did from game sense

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/com-yep-gif-25120277

Crack this

[glad meadow]

it keep targeting minoris enemies

[narrow herald]

🥵

[jovial juniper]

Get 10% reload speed perk and spam special because of surety

[lethal lagoon]

[rancid geyser]

i would say if you are running ER got health curios

[plucky flax]

[rancid geyser]

if not go toughness

[glad meadow]

the idea is to back to back kill elite but half the time i waste my charge on some no name mob

[gloomy yarrow]

description is fucky what does this do

[glad meadow]

6% damage debuff that kinda weird

[rancid geyser]

idk if anyone would agree but toughness and hp are the only thing i value as a main stat for curios when im playing psyker

[lethal lagoon]

pew 5 times with lmb, now 30% more warp damage taken.

[rancid geyser]

i dont like dying

[orchid ibex]

i stack up toughness mostly, i'm afraid of ER anyways. i always build tanky if possible

[lethal lagoon]

Hmm, i wanna see how fast Surge staff can kill a plague ogryn with that.

[rancid geyser]

yeah if you love toughness stay away from ER i guess

[queen fog]

Void balls make enemy weaker to more warp damage

[lethal lagoon]

I have 25% unyielding already, so let's see.

[rancid geyser]

the .7 modifier it leaves you with gets harsher the more toughness you have

[orchid ibex]

it's the arpg player in me too, the thought of building anything like a "glass cannon" type fills me with dread

[rancid geyser]

same

i always build beefy

[teal fog]

i love this game

[rancid geyser]

wanna know my steam name?

[narrow herald]

So the only real "requirement" when I comes to curios is:

Get 200 HP
Get 20% sniper resist

Everything else is honestly up to you 🤷

[strong gulch]

epic

[orchid ibex]

@narrow herald thanks

[narrow herald]

Let's fucking gooooo

[rancid geyser]

not short enough

[orchid ibex]

i'm assuming i would need a mod to see hp values right? i'm coming back to the game after a long time and just learning that modding is even a thing

[rancid geyser]

i think your own hp value is visible in base game iirc

same with toughness, might be wrong on this one

[orchid ibex]

@rancid geyser no shit? i'll look around

[rancid geyser]

just go into the psykhanium to prove me wrong

[orchid ibex]

yep, you're completely right. i'm not sure how i never noticed that, lol

[upper sun]

bodyguard ogryn says some cute stuff

"no put me down!!" when picked up by a chaos spawn

[manic river]

Got a question

What is the max amount of toughness you can have as psyker with 2 17%s

[clear heath]

depends on talent tree

[manic river]

hmm

[clear heath]

like someone could get a lot by skipping keystone and grabbing toughness nodes near the top like an insane person

[lethal lagoon]

With empyric shock you can kill a plague ogryn like 5-6 secodns faster.

So 100% not worth lmao(for a normal build)

And that's assuming headshots

[analog agate]

That was, unironically, very close to Arco’s build when update 12 came out

[split lance]

gib voidstrike tree

[clear heath]

yeah like i said, insane person

[fresh reef]

any other suggestions?

worked okay, but that reload speed was definitely being felt lol

[rancid geyser]

ngl this shit fawks XD

idk what yall were talking about i could still rmb and delete shit

[fresh reef]

@jovial juniper

ty for the advice

build did much better

also not sure if this or the hood gives off Nightsider vibes more

[teal fog]

watching level 800 ogryn die to pox walkers while running backwards through the map

[verbal thistle]

me

sorry

[teal fog]

level 800 console ogryn too

[lethal lagoon]

Mind you, I only ran voidstrike once this patch.

EP is also an option

Not a big voidstrike guy

[lusty brook]

What's the best head exploding build

[verbal thistle]

hitting 100% peril

thats the build

[lethal lagoon]

2 shields, purg, EP

[lusty brook]

Word

Never used shield, let's see how it works

I normally use the scream

[rancid geyser]

level does not equate to skill, only time played

[lethal lagoon]

You can stack the kinetic presence buff

So pop both shields, super bb

[teal fog]

i just dont get how you spend 10% of your life playing a game over a year and dont get good

[lusty brook]

Some people are just like that

[rancid geyser]

well not to be rude, but some ppl just play for fun -- not to get good

[teal fog]

but it happens naturally

[analog agate]

Can’t do lmb electro build. Too much clicking for my dainty fingers

[lethal lagoon]

Yuh

[rancid geyser]

a lot of things ppl spend and sink time into they dont get better at

or even try to

if you are doing something wrong for 1k hrs you probably arent going to realize that

lots of people develop bad habits then they sit on heresy

🙂

which is fine

[lusty brook]

I feel like when I play psyker I either never take damage or get obliterated in one second. There's really not a big margin of error. I feel like I'm leaning on trauma staff as a crutch to not get turned into mist

[verbal thistle]

Think about your positioning

[rancid geyser]

psyker is both wet paper and hard marble at the same time

[verbal thistle]

where are enemies gonna spawn, do you have cover, where would the boss spawn

always think ahead

[real merlin]

drivers irl

[verbal thistle]

start there to learn how to not take damage

then worry about damage

[rancid geyser]

on god

[lusty brook]

My dodging is good but one poxwalker takes half my toughness

[verbal thistle]

hold block then

[lusty brook]

I'm so used to playing Ogryn where you just heavy for 40 minutes

[verbal thistle]

blocking helping so much in not taking damage

[real merlin]

I'm totally guilty of developing bad habits sitting on heresy. Most of my friends play at lower difficulty so I rarely get damnation/auric time

[lusty brook]

I just started blocking and pushing too and it helps a lot but I need to do it more

[rancid geyser]

this is fine, i find that a lot of people i know are not hardcore gamers -- this game does give sensory overload and people end up tweaking out polaying it, its a lot

[jovial juniper]

🫡

[lusty brook]

I can never really play a game for fun, I need to get good at all the games I play and study them like it's school

[real merlin]

depends on the game for me. This one? I vie for optimal builds and gameplay, but I know I'm not hitting it

playing lots of zealot and ogryn lately, did NOT prepare me for vet and psyker

[rancid geyser]

i just like understanding shit, either the job im doing or the game im playing

[real merlin]

much more forgiving, you can really get stuck in without going down in a heartbeat due to bad position etc.

[rancid geyser]

i started the game maining zealot, then moved to vet -- i got my ass handed ot me for WEEKS

[lusty brook]

Started as Ogryn for like a whole year and JUST switched to psyker for this update

Quite different

[rancid geyser]

oh and fuck leveling as ogryn

that was the most miserable i have ever been

just a big ass dude that cant hide from bullets

[verbal thistle]

☹️

[rancid geyser]

until you get sheild*

then you get to cosplay a turtle

[lusty brook]

I find Ogryn braindead easy compared to the other classes

So much damage reduction

You can just stand in a horde

[clear heath]

all classes are just braindead in different ways

[lusty brook]

I barely have to block push or dodge as Ogryn just heavy

[rancid geyser]

the amount of ogryns i saw get bullied in auric maelstrom today was crazy

[clear heath]

zealot also has a bunch of damage reduction and toughness recovery inside hordes

[lusty brook]

Lore accurate

[rancid geyser]

yall cant hide from shit and get comboed so much

[orchid ibex]

ogryn can tank regular damage for sure but i feel like against disablers and gunners i'm definitely a big target

[lusty brook]

Yeah

[rancid geyser]

dude got tossed by a damnmutant, into a sniper shot, ran a bit got grabbed by chaos spawn, right into a dog finishing him

like actually brutal

[lusty brook]

I remember the good ole days when Feel No Pain only lost stacks on health damage

You could tank a sniper shot with only toughness

[eternal junco]

ogryn needs a glow up ngl

[lusty brook]

Now they made FNP weaker and moved the TDR nodes so he's not as tanky

[eternal junco]

Revisit his keystones and give him some new weapons

[lusty brook]

Yes

Give him the multi melta

[eternal junco]

Imagine an ogryn with a BOFORS I'd play that shit

[lusty brook]

Real

Now that the human classes share weapons he feels even more limited

He needs MORE tankiness

I want to be the biggest widest slab

[rancid geyser]

ogryn needs better guns

i stand by that

[fresh reef]

any other tips, oh wise one?

[rancid geyser]

fucking sticky nades are bugged atm too

[eternal junco]

agreed

I know minigun is a stereotype but it would fit

[teal fog]

i wish they would sit on heresy because im struggling to win a game rn

[lusty brook]

Give Ogryn big giant dual axes like a rager

[rancid geyser]

i play psyker atm because its nice to have a not generic ranged weapon

vet and zealot having so many samey choices got to me

[eternal junco]

heresy is a good place to grind out mastery for weapons

I don't want to take this shitty trauma staff to damnation but I still want exp

[lusty brook]

I wish we could be a true bullgryn with shield and grenade gauntlet. I would play the shit out of that

[rancid geyser]

idk how you feel about this comment --- but just play auric

my auric games legit always go better than me damnation runs

that's the main reason why i try to queue for them as much as possible

[lusty brook]

Auric is unironically easier because people are actually competent

[rancid geyser]

^

[teal fog]

i only do auric

[lusty brook]

Also any time I see a VoC vet I know we won

[eternal junco]

How y'all feel about chorus zealots

[lusty brook]

I love them

[rancid geyser]

also if ppl stayed in heresy i dont think that would be good for the community of the game

[lusty brook]

I remember when chorus first came out and you could bully bosses

[rancid geyser]

already so few leaving past malice

and a good chunk of ppl sitting in damnation have some really bad habits

[rancid geyser]

like not checking their 6

[clear heath]

yeah i remember seeing someone push a boss off the map with it

[rancid geyser]

ignoring audio queues

staying from the party

[eternal junco]

Only time I don't catch audio cues is if I'm blasting music

[lusty brook]

I played a game last night and it had an Ogryn that made me want to rip my hair out. He would just use Taunt and then block the horde. He never attacked

Just stood there like a slab of meat

He would get caught by a trapper and instantly go down because there was 3000 poxwalkers around him

[rancid geyser]

when they nerfed this it was my last time touching zealot

because it ended up nerfing the shit out of bolter

[lusty brook]

I still think it's good

Apparently bolter is good again I saw a zealot destroying crushers with it

[split lance]

what perks

[rancid geyser]

it IS good, but i think fatshark was looking at the few ppl using it

[teal fog]

i miss running into the same people multiple times

[rancid geyser]

when chorus wasnt even being touched much to begin with

chorus + pinning fire did result in deleted monsters tho

shit was funny

[pure iris]

have they forgotten some blessing here?

[mossy oyster]

nope

just extra credit

[pure iris]

perfection died within me

[orchid ibex]

whatcha gonna spend them on?

[pure iris]

only weapon with spare points

[blissful solar]

yes they probably forgot to add a blessing or to remove the points, i dont think we know

[lethal lagoon]

I did flak carpace, but I dunno.

surge flurry

[pure iris]

offtop: now i can play darktide xd

[rancid geyser]

i envy you

i am collecting fodder to sac into other weapons

im not going through the horror of touching some of them

[pure iris]

if you've got many resources can buy and upgrade to green

think it's about 3.5 weapons for level

[fresh reef]

no hair, no helmets

pure nudity

[verbal thistle]

l;mao

[split lance]

id rub their heads together and theyd get stuck like velcro

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-hate-them-kevin-malone-the-office-will-ferrell-gif-17762618

I hate bald people

[mossy oyster]

I hate naked people

[verbal thistle]

you know what

I saw a naked person once

[mossy oyster]

I was a naked person once

the update took that away

[verbal thistle]

then the fire nation attacked

[jovial juniper]

Don't try with the Agri, it'll hurt

[verbal thistle]

oh

or that

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-kiwami2-smoke-kazuma-kiryu-gif-19824416

fatshark can be the fire nation

they took our nakeyness

(dorn proceeds to play naked with them on stream)

[verbal thistle]

that was so funny

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/evolt-kamen-rider-build-build-kamen-rider-what-gif-22483076

[verbal thistle]

they played it off

[mossy oyster]

lmfao

I heard a few chatters were like

[verbal thistle]

he was giggling in vc

[mossy oyster]

isnt that bannable.....

kek

[real merlin]

question: I am not using Scrier's Gaze correctly, I'm pretty sure. How is it intended to be used? And how do you not blow up?

[rancid geyser]

you dont

[mossy oyster]

pop scriers murder everything thats annoying

[rancid geyser]

the upgrade is bugged

[mossy oyster]

if you have warp unbound

you have a chance of blowing up, the chance varies it seems like depending on your staff or weapon

[jovial juniper]

Even then Scrier's have a built in safety net

[mossy oyster]

warp unbound is your safety net but its bugged

[spice veldt]

bugged for inferno and electro staffs

[mossy oyster]

if you use warp related attacks

my advice is to stop at 90

[real merlin]

hm, I blew up using a voidstrike, but may have simply mistimed things

[mossy oyster]

let it hit 100 for warp unbound then go back to peril spamming

[real merlin]

so, horde time, hit f, kill

avoid using when there aren't enough targets?

[spice veldt]

I know that it happened to somebody else using voidstrike

[mossy oyster]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/366

[spice veldt]

but at least it's rarer than inferno and electro

[mossy oyster]

yep

cause usually once a horde starts or an event starts it last a while

[real merlin]

or use only with melee if I want to poke things

[mossy oyster]

(scriers and the horde)

[real merlin]

since it plays nice with duelling sword finesse damage if you have that talent?

I felt like I wasn't timing its usage right, or saving it too long

[mossy oyster]

1 sec ill pull up soyker tree

[real merlin]

but it sounds like I was indeed using it correctly. If there's not enough to kill it just kind of ends up screwing you a little bit?

[mossy oyster]

so

whats your tree look like

are you using psyk aura with scirers to try and spam it more

or are you a full gunker (like how I run it)

aka being spec'd mostly on the entire right side of the treee

if I see the tree ill probably be able to explain the "playstyle" better or what to focus on

[real merlin]

borrowed the build from someone else here. Pretty much entirely right side. Though I do need to come up with a brain rupture build for penance purposes.

build has assail

[crisp sigil]

what curios should I be running on psyker?

[mighty cipher]

Wounds

[jovial juniper]

1.5 seconds after max peril

[mighty cipher]

That’s new

[mossy oyster]

I love the scriers staff's other hand

crazy hand

[jovial juniper]

Do be tweaking

[real merlin]

gonna have to do venting shriek too, if someone has a good brain burst + venting shriek build. I'm sure I can piece it together myself, but you learn about hidden interactions and talent behaviors by asking. Some shit just doesn't do what it says on the tin.

[mossy oyster]

ok mind if I tweak this a bit

also what weapons

is this on

[real merlin]

no worries at all.

Don't mind the sword. Will make a proper one after I roll perfect stats and have mats.

but I am enjoying this combination quite a lot

[real merlin]

Not wounds. Most run toughness, I'm pretty sure. 17% if you can find it.

[mossy oyster]

ok bet I can work with this

think I have an exact build for void/ds4 scriers

[mossy oyster]

heres what I run normally with scriers voidstaff (I use a mk3 knife but thats basically a ds4)

if you want to assail spec and do some funny stuff with scriers assail you can path the bottom tree like this instead

[halcyon gust]

Oof on that charge rate

[mossy oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1291176294847090729/Darktide_2024.09.27-19.58_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6701c821&is=670076a1&hm=a9529678cb2f49b9f58b155322044463a6035d56fc5b5c8a7331186bc03cbe86&

heres the scriers EP Assail meme

(courtesy of cole)

[real merlin]

cheers! i'll have a look!

[mossy oyster]

🤙

[wet belfry]

There has to be a better way to design such a build

[halcyon gust]

I can easily see the moment you get your streak going. The classic "Mutie of streak stopping" will get you

[mossy oyster]

if its wave of muties

free soulblaze

[real merlin]

why no assail pen?

[mossy oyster]

warp splitting

it covers that node entirely

[halcyon gust]

Or dog jank

[mossy oyster]

(and warp splitting effects all attacks ranged/melee/assail)

[mossy oyster]

yeah nurgle blessed dog moment

[fringe mauve]

hey im making a crit psyker build with a recon lasrifle and i was wondering what is the best currently i have deathspitter and infernus

[halcyon gust]

Doesn't even need to be nurgle dog. Dogs will bullshit to get you Or a idiot teammate to keep shooting the dog so it constantly recoils away from your attacks

[mossy oyster]

oh yeah I love that one

dog permanent stun dashing backwards

or randomly 360ing in place at mach 7

one day

perfectionism

[wind spruce]

You want dum dum and infernus

[real merlin]

yeah, I'll fix that too, eventually. Just got started on Psyker after doing zealot, ogryn, and vet. No mats left for ideal gear so I gotta use what I already had for the most part, with cheap modifications.

[halcyon gust]

The classic Dog recoils away from your melee swipe to instant pounce you combo

[fringe mauve]

why infernus ?

[real merlin]

ah, no need for faster gen or pierce then?

[mossy oyster]

nope

[fallow dock]

If you’re going gunker you need to make the most of your increased crit chance

[mossy oyster]

I dont spam assail unless im basically at 100% peril

to maximize warp splitting and warp rider

[fringe mauve]

yeah but does infernus proc once every crit otherwise the dmg is kinda negligable

im using the fastest one for gaze ranged crit peril decrease so i get almost infinite crits

most the stuff is already dead before i can even proc enough to do dmg

[proper oar]

hey hey people
how good is empyric shock for a crit voidstrike build? i love voidstrike and wish to do even more damage

[lament moss]

Infernus is burn damage over time on crits

[fringe mauve]

i know that

i had it on my recon

it didnt do alot tbh

[lethal lagoon]

The big ball is not the primary attack

It's the little ball

[lament moss]

But why are you running an Accatran as a Psyker when you don't have brittleness on hit like Veterans

[lethal lagoon]

For the talent description I mean

of Empyric shock

[fringe mauve]

tranquility throught slaughter

makes it so i can have gaze active way longer and do more dmg

[mighty cipher]

Because we get that crisp Fuck You% crit chance.

[proper oar]

yeah i know
i figure against crushers or monstrosities is where id get the most value
spam five primary then charge

[lethal lagoon]

I tested it

[lament moss]

if u got that crisp crit chance then by all means go for it

[wind spruce]

Because that's where like 1/3/1-2 of your damage comes from with recon

[lethal lagoon]

It was about 10-15% faster boss damage

[wind spruce]

It's strong AF

[lament moss]

Wanna see what heresy I made with my psyker build? 😮

[fringe mauve]

you can only proc like 12 stacks

[wind spruce]

The only thing it doesn't shred is crushers. That's what melee is for

[fringe mauve]

thats 200 dmg per second

[wind spruce]

Yep.

[lethal lagoon]

If you 50% a rager, the flames will generally finish it off

[wind spruce]

Quickly spray something. It dies.

[lament moss]

Yeah Infernus is lit on Accatrans, I've just never heard a nonVeteran use it

[real merlin]

Thanks! I'll give this version of the build a shot.

Is venting shriek still "good"? I need to work brain burst, shriek, and Warp Charges into one build for penance reasons. Was thinking something like this:

[fringe mauve]

yeah with just regular crit dum dum and deathspitter i do litarly 700 more dps then with inferno

[wind spruce]

When I say 1/3-1/2 your damage I mean over the course of a mission not dps on a single target

[lament moss]

It sets people on fire and cleanses your peril so I'd say so yes

[wind spruce]

Get ovenproofs scoreboard extension so you can see your burn damage

[real merlin]

any obvious mistakes in there?

[fringe mauve]

i get that but to get it at a level where it actualy does something your basicaly already 1 shot of of killing something anyway

[mighty cipher]

Kinetic shriek is objectively worse than creeping flames

[analog agate]

Yes. What is this build for?

[wind spruce]

Yeah, so don't fully kill it.

Let the burn work

200k burn damage in a mission doesn't lie

[lament moss]

So here's my recent shitty take on this class:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2b043e-4d21-42b9-86ed-dc2cc35e6e0b/empowered-shrieking-smite-seer-with-permablock

[real merlin]

strictly penances so I can finish getting the cosmetic hood

[fringe mauve]

theres a perk for every crit you regen 5% toughness together with queled and generated and on kill and warp charges you can stay in a constant toughness generating rampage mode

[lament moss]

• 111% block cost reduction.
• You block both ranged and melee attacks due to a blessing on the sword.
• Blocking generates peril instead of reducing stamina due to a talent.
• If you hit 100% Peril due to blocking, you can use Venting Shriek to reduce your peril by 50%.
• If Venting Shriek is on cooldown when you hit 100% peril due to blocking, Crystalline Will makes it so that you lose 1 wound instead of exploding due to a talent.

[fringe mauve]

? its one more shot i dont get the hype

[lament moss]

The other day I casually RP-Walked through 6 snipers

[ornate hamlet]

I saw this on yotube I think, nice build

venting shriek pretty cool

[mighty cipher]

Kinetic deflection can’t blow you up.

[wind spruce]

You're better off stacking stamina than block efficiency. More stam = less peril gen per hit blocked

[lament moss]

I'm not on youtube. It's a spinoff from the Azyr psyker, yes, but I played Ironbreaker in Vermintide 2, so being able to block everything forever is a personal fetish of mine

[wind spruce]

It's not one more shot if you take the fast firing recon. And I dunno dude, I've laid out the reasoning and how much damage it does. Go try it.

[ornate hamlet]

I'm using similar build, it's pretty effective as all-rounder

[lament moss]

Oh shit for real?

[mighty cipher]

Yeah

Cuts off at 97

[wind spruce]

@lament moss https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17iul4b/why_i_think_3_stam_is_mandatory_on_psyker/

[lament moss]

I am also very silly so having a failsafe against exploding is kinda good for me

[fringe mauve]

i get what your laying down but tbh for accatran it doesnt realy matter anyway if i have to wait for something to kill itself its gonna kill me

[wind spruce]

That's not what happens though...

[rancid geyser]

doesnt block efficiency affect how much stamina is drained---almost certain that affects build up too

[wind spruce]

7 ragers running at you? Spray them all and they die 2s later

Same with maulers

[rancid geyser]

i would assume block efficiency affects stamina cost then stamina cost is transitioned into peril

[lament moss]

So you are saying, that because it scales of stam cost, increasing the stam further decreases the peril cost of blocking?

[wind spruce]

Block efficiency does too, but stam is etyer at is

[wind spruce]

Yes!

If you go from 3 to 6 stam you halve the peril taken

[lament moss]

Now watch me stack both block cost reduction and stam in the next iteration, habibi

[wind spruce]

It's linear

[rancid geyser]

you could just have both tho

not sure why tell them only one

when both are just avaliable

[wind spruce]

Because you get diminishing returns

But do both if you want to lol

I ain't stopping you

[rancid geyser]

i mean having both on 1 curio couldnt possibly hurt could it?

[lament moss]

Yeah but that didn't stop me in Vermintide 2, and I recall what blocking enables

[rancid geyser]

+3 stam and 12% block reduction might be nice, for the memes

[eternal junco]

diminishing returns

[lament moss]

Diminishing returns are for wazzoks who can read

[eternal junco]

tbh more stamina is also nice for more shoves

[rancid geyser]

yeah but most things in this game have diminishing returns

to what degree

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker has infinite shoves

[rancid geyser]

just typing that in chat doesnt help a whole lot

[wind spruce]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17jjari/why_i_think_11_stam_is_mandatory_on_psyker/

Go 11 stam or go home

[eternal junco]

do you know what diminishing returns are

[rancid geyser]

the total value you get per point of investment in something -- in the case of this game

[eternal junco]

no?

the more you invest into blocking the less overall you get per thing you devote to it

[rancid geyser]

how to say the same thing in a different maner

[wind spruce]

It's not really the same thing

[eternal junco]

ie speccing one curio for block makes you much better at blocking for a small cost, but speccing all 3 curios is a much more marginal increase for much more commitment

[wind spruce]

Because the total value decreaes with each point invested

[eternal junco]

nope

[wind spruce]

Its the same as with gunner resistance. First curio gives you 20% damage reduction, second curio 16% and the last curio only 12.4%

[eternal junco]

total value per point you invest is what is diminishing

[rancid geyser]

okay im not trying to be a dick here but saying you get less for investing something is the same as saying you get less value

im not gunna be the guy that has to break that down but yall are literally saying the same thing as i justr said

the more you invest the less you get back in return

[wind spruce]

But you didn't mention it decreases

[rancid geyser]

literally diminished return on investment

[wind spruce]

So we weren't sure

[rancid geyser]

LESS VALUE

[eternal junco]

no, you said diminishing returns was value per point invested

[rancid geyser]

DO NOT MAKE ME MAKE YOU OPEN A DICTIONARY

[wind spruce]

...

[eternal junco]

where is less

my brother in christ i'm a warframe vet i know my buildcrafting

[wind spruce]

What's interesting is that +3 stam increases your efficiency with KD more than 3 x 12% block efficiency perks, even down to the last stam curio

Maths

[rancid geyser]

I would say the context is there alre3ady --- some one asks do you know what diminishing return is, I then explain its the value you'd get in return for investing in something

we arent dumb and know what diminished means

[wind spruce]

It involves that value, but just saying it is that value doesn't explain the concept

[eternal junco]

you very poorly articulated what you were trying to say, which leads me to believe you didn't fully grasp the concept

[rancid geyser]

in context do i really need to repeat that or just type the gist?

i gotchu

[eternal junco]

i summed it up pretty easily and concisely

[wind spruce]

I actually want a 1,000 word essay on diminishing returns pls

Or you're grounded

[eternal junco]

i can dig through my archives and link you a 20 minute tanner lindberg slash proc rant which is basically the same thing

[rancid geyser]

dimishing returns is the principle that describes when the production of a process' marginal output will decrease as a single factor of production is increased

that suffice or need more context?

[wind spruce]

MORE

[rancid geyser]

i just dont assume ppl are lacking in mental capacity

starting to see my own faults there...

[wind spruce]

Mistakes were made

[eternal junco]

diminishing returns is a commonly misunderstood concept

[rancid geyser]

yeah...

[eternal junco]

doesn't mean you're stupid if you don't understand something

just have it explained and move on

[wind spruce]

I think we've beat this horse to death

What else can we argue about

[rancid geyser]

.> i dont thin anyone called any other stupid but either way -- a lot of things have diminishing returns in this game, just stating that they do doesnt really help anyone

DAMAGE has a diminished return per investment on most things that are not monstrosities

but we dont just claim that for a reason

[eternal junco]

having both block eff and stam on a curio

kinda pointless

[rancid geyser]

its not pointless if you cant prove it to be so\

[mossy oyster]

Why does crystalline exist

[rancid geyser]

do not just claim something without at least some peice of evidence it doesnt help

[eternal junco]

which is why you aim for breakpoints

[rancid geyser]

there is no BP for blocking

.>

[eternal junco]

+3stam is already enough to otublock most anything as long as you haven't thrown yourself into a horde

[wind spruce]

Yeah but after you have one stam curio do you really need more efficient blocking with KD?!

[rancid geyser]

you wouldnt need stamina either

legit posted a video where im on 3 bars which is the min and am still tanking the hell out of reapers

so if we follow the same logic technically they kinda never needed it

why bring it up

[wind spruce]

You're not wrong

[jovial juniper]

"Hi folks today we will discuss the Defence stat or whatever"

[wind spruce]

That's why most psykers don't run either block efficacy or stam...

[eternal junco]

i assumed we were going full "walk at the gunners and blockmaxx"

[rancid geyser]

ER already exists too

that with kinetic deflection is legit already reducing the shit out of any more investment

[eternal junco]

+3stam is also more shovespam

[rancid geyser]

that wasnt your argument tho, very much a different topic

[eternal junco]

ik

just pointing out

[rancid geyser]

tho it should have been stated earlier

[lament moss]

In response to the new information which you have provided, I have adjusted the build. Specifically the melee weapon's perks, and the Curios:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2b34c8-ec86-4e36-b625-cfd11ce0b45a/empowered-shrieking-smite-seer-with-permablock-2

[eternal junco]

it was

[eternal junco]

[mossy oyster]

I run stam regen I need my 2 bars up at all times