psyker-class

[latent mauve]

You doubled down

[narrow herald]

😔

[mossy oyster]

(he lied)

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/tulip-snake-lethal-company-meme-flower-snake-lethal-gif-4934095674208557478

[rancid geyser]

no its not, you didnt inform me first

neither of yall did

the insult came first

[latent mauve]

I did

[mossy oyster]

I tried using those to fly away from a giant and get to the ship on adamance

[latent mauve]

For once

[rancid geyser]

so rightfully i backed myself

[mossy oyster]

(they dropped me before the ship and I definitely did not die a horrible death)

[verbal thistle]

they are so cute

I love them

[mossy oyster]

they're the tech for bee hive jacking

[verbal thistle]

just little goobers

[mossy oyster]

silly things

[latent mauve]

I could have opened GitHub and pulled all of the code from pen flames, but kuli’s guide was open

[rancid geyser]

then some loser says oh join a different server so i can say what i really want to say to you there --- obvisouly not something good

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-maneater-gif-13451919148156484471

[latent mauve]

Imagine not only not being able to read, but stupid too

Must suck massively

[rancid geyser]

tf kinda lame ass shite is that lmao

[dapper garden]

Hey guys how would you tweak it for more support and less squishy? not sure about my curious tho.
on arena boss fights i kinda get screwed
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d26f7a0-7959-49ec-a4b2-feca330c5b44/halpmeplox

[plucky flax]

Twins are just really hard

[narrow herald]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[plucky flax]

You gotta juke and jive

[rancid geyser]

like actual loser lmao

[dapper garden]

please be gentle

[verbal thistle]

remove wildifire for harvest

try that

[signal sluice]

I approve of this message

[plucky flax]

That's exactly my surge build keep it

Wildfire is op

[waxen jackal]

I think ragers are my least favorite enemy

[late sapphire]

I have ran big data analysis

[dapper garden]

gonna test it

[late sapphire]

And have found we have been arguing with a 13 year old

[analog agate]

Yeah… I actually think your tree looks fine. Even with Wildfire. Just change out your sword blessing/s

[late sapphire]

I will now ritually kill myself

[narrow herald]

No

[carmine agate]

Some of ur curios missing stuff i think

[verbal thistle]

Good luck

[dapper garden]

i wasnt sure should i pump more hp and tought or damage reduction

[plucky flax]

Wildfire my beloved

[digital narwhal]

Wildfire is reviled

[narrow herald]

Curios is also questionable, why do u have soo much HP?

[analog agate]

I usually try and do this before I lose my cool when arguing. Because most likely, I am arguing with someone much younger than myself (35) and realize it isn’t worth it

[strong gulch]

I just removed wildfire from my surge build so I could take Empyric Shock. I could hear you whispering "don't do it". 🥲

[plucky flax]

Why not both?

[plucky flax]

Hp to tank burster what else would you take?

[strong gulch]

Because I need KD.

[narrow herald]

But why do u need 2 HP curios for it?

[strong gulch]

I could drop perfect timing. but 😩

[narrow herald]

U only need 1 with HP subs

[plucky flax]

I have 2hp curios

[narrow herald]

🤮

[plucky flax]

I have all of those things

[mossy oyster]

where are my fellow gunker enjoyers

[strong gulch]

Share build

[plucky flax]

You must be using some points elsewhere

[zinc phoenix]

any shock maul recommendations?

[narrow herald]

U mean Illisi? 😎

[plucky flax]

The tree is the same as what jonnywalker posted

[dusk void]

I have one with the lasgun

[plucky flax]

In on mobile so can't do the site. But it's at the start of this too https://youtu.be/-bIwoaV-Dnc

Unless you're taking about surge left click build?

[mossy oyster]

I used an illisi on a gunker build and survived in a corner fighting against 5 ragers and 3 maulers (all I did was pop scriers and spam bloodthirsty L1s)

I was running bloodthirsty/uncanny

stupidest shit ever lmfao

but I hate Fsword mobility so i'll stick with mk6

[narrow herald]

I have an idea

RASHAD

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

[analog agate]

RIP infinite dodge

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-asleep-falling-asleep-sleepy-doze-off-dozing-off-gif-10742301

never recommend me to use a rashad

[late sapphire]

agile fsword...

[mossy oyster]

i'll use tac axes before a rashad

[strong gulch]

Almost but not quite. Kinda like a hybrid build. Trying to get the stuff in yellow but keep KD.

[narrow herald]

U choose death?

[uncut sable]

is rending shockwave any good?

[narrow herald]

Ic

[plucky flax]

I can't do these hybrid build. Just not enough points. It's either left click or right click with surge

[zinc phoenix]

you run no anti gunner?

thats pretty wild

[plucky flax]

No. Surge is the anti shooters

[carmine agate]

Yep yep

[zinc phoenix]

i mean yea, but man i love anti gunner

i guess i'll just have to like not ignore them when trying this

[plucky flax]

I have deflector to such into cover

[zinc phoenix]

yeah i been grindin shock maul

[plucky flax]

Of course run what you like

[narrow herald]

Me when I see a purge Psyker in my lobby with smite:

[plucky flax]

I only run anti gunner on ogryn because he's so slow and clumsy. Human sized I can just juke around most of the times

[upper sun]

i have sniper on ogryn for that very reason

tbh people copemaxxed about curios and weapons and shit

but the game feels so much better now that we have no locks on everything

i ate a sniper shot? oh looks like i didnt die because i wasnt locked to dockets

[carmine agate]

Im not locked.. but i still have ordo dockets..

[mossy oyster]

starting ally revive speed propaganda for soyker

(I only use 1 but was running 2)

[upper sun]

does revive work for downed or just rescue?

[mossy oyster]

downed cause fatshark doesnt want to make something too good

if it worked on ledges/revive totems it be pretty goated

[upper sun]

IT DOESNT?

boooo BOOOOOO

[mossy oyster]

as far as I can recall no

its literally only downed people

[upper sun]

cant have shit on atoma

its ok 3 years theyll change it

[clear heath]

I didn't really expect more than that but i'm still disappointed

[upper sun]

after they add mission select

[mossy oyster]

I actually get use out of revive speed though

[upper sun]

and stuff to the docket shop

[mossy oyster]

KD + warp unbound

[upper sun]

and they fix ogryn mantling

and warp unbound

just 3 more years until the next QoL updates

[mossy oyster]

I make sure to throw assail in scriers before 99%

[clear heath]

i wonder how many people would play it if they did add a solo mode

[mossy oyster]

then once I actually see the buff timer

for warp unbound

I spam assail

ive blown up once cause warp unbound doesnt like to activate before hitting 100

so you can just self nuke on accident with assail

[mossy oyster]

I promise 99% of the people asking for solo mode either wont use it

or suck too much to use it

[clear heath]

yeah probably

[mossy oyster]

they just cant cope with carrying shitters in pubs

(cause they ARE the shitter)

[uncut sable]

so is rending shockwave actually good? i seem to be doing cosistently more damge than with blazing spirit?

[clear heath]

but i wonder if fatshark still has fears that it will kill their multiplayer too much if they added it

like this game has periods where the player count is like 2k.
Probably don't wanna take any of them out of matchmaking if they can prevent it

[mossy oyster]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/366

for anyone who doesnt have it yet

[weary crane]

I love soloing a chaos spawn while fighting specialists and clutching the game, only to die to a mauler 1 shotting me while a mutie had grabbed me

[waxen jackal]

My percentages changed on my sword? Im positive it had 4 80s and 1 59. Now it's different. Weird

[strong gulch]

Yeah, there's a rounding error.

[summer prairie]

it's not just a rounding error

[clear heath]

sometimes the numbers literally change as you're upgrading

pretty drastically too

had a potential 60% turn into a 55% by the time it was done

[waxen jackal]

It changed by like 4% on my 'first target' and' warp resistance'

It took 4% from first target and added to warp resistance

[strong gulch]

that too

[clear heath]

waiting for the day fatshark fixes their game

[waxen jackal]

Hopefully 4% first target damage isn't a big deal

[summer prairie]

But it may still be related to rounding; maybe it's wasting points when doing the final upgrade to "80" for every stat depending on the decimals

[zinc phoenix]

i wish theyd skip the gear rolling and just let us buy the damn stats with the cash resource

what am i even supposed to do with all these millions in moneycash

also shock maul is kinda awesome ngl

its not good against any of the stuff i actually want killed but haha electric boom

and isnt that what matters?

[mossy oyster]

shock maul special can stop maulers mid overhead

open up a bulwark

and if a crusher isnt overheading it should stun them as well

(all with the special attack)

[summer prairie]

charge strike almost good with shock maul + high voltage

[upper sun]

save it until they add private rooms on the mourningstar

[zinc phoenix]

yeah but ds4 i can just clap them

[upper sun]

need docket sinks frfr

[mossy oyster]

you werent talking about the ds4

[zinc phoenix]

and since this is a zap build i can zap the bulwark shield open and then stab him with ds4

im just saying shock maul is bad

but i like it anyway LOL

[mossy oyster]

.

duality

[zinc phoenix]

yes

objectively it is bad

but from a fun perspective it is awesome

[mossy oyster]

shock maul bad because it cant 2 tap crushers/maulers/bulwarks like a knife or DS4

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1202399927322419230.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[zinc phoenix]

yes, that is how it works

[mossy oyster]

truly genius

[zinc phoenix]

talk to fatshark

[mossy oyster]

they wouldnt listen anyway

[zinc phoenix]

well yeah, theyre a fat shark

how well can those hear?

[ancient plover]

is smite considered bad?

or why am I getting insulted

[upper sun]

@latent mauve

[zinc phoenix]

you are getting insulted because someone is dumb

and it isnt you

lol

[ancient plover]

he tried to solo it at the end and I literally said you tried your best because it was a good attempt

proceeds to insult me

[latent mauve]

[upper sun]

that dude needs a break from the game

unironically

(another)

[zinc phoenix]

anutha one?

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/nariukiyo-dj-khaled-dj-gif-26371939

[mighty cipher]

Playing this game without sound is the most disorientating thing I've done in a long time dear god

[ancient plover]

how do you notice dogs then

or trappers

[upper sun]

warpsight

[ancient plover]

[upper sun]

seriously

psykers dont need eyes to see

many can use the warp to see

[mossy oyster]

thats just the table top description

of scriers

isnt it?

[upper sun]

thats why so many helms cover the eyes

i'm not sure about tabletop

[mossy oyster]

I know "scriers gaze" is basically a free UAV

[upper sun]

but yeah thats why sisters of silence dont make sounds

[mossy oyster]

for soyker and his team

[upper sun]

so psykers cant hear them

[mossy oyster]

well its cause they're whats the word

anti warp whatever the actual 40k term is

[lusty brook]

Is assail affected by finesse damage?

[upper sun]

only if it hits weakspots

[tawdry hemlock]

Is this worth replacing my old electro staff? or I just wait for a one with low warp resistance?

[zinc phoenix]

That must be tough in the bathroom

[mossy oyster]

thats why scriers DD and an assail critting

[upper sun]

or crits

[mossy oyster]

are very dumb

[upper sun]

i mean canonically

they dont even make sounds when they get shot

theyll be fine

[zinc phoenix]

shits in silence

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/mf-dog-ate-my-book-on-stoicism-and-he-aint-been-the-same-since-gif-2100496274040615580

[zinc phoenix]

canonically

[upper sun]

loses a foot in silence

canonically

[zinc phoenix]

Rectal control beyond my comprehension

[lusty brook]

Just wondering because I plan on using scriers with assail and was wondering if it was worth it to get the finesse talent

[mossy oyster]

yes

[upper sun]

https://s5.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-5-69e3416349.jpg
SoS training

[mossy oyster]

precognition scriers node is dumb strong

[lusty brook]

Word

Yeah I just activate scriers and spam assail with EP and everything except crushers and maulers dies

[zinc phoenix]

Scrier’s male gaze

[mossy oyster]

@autumn smelt scriers EP assail vid

[faint frost]

I found that Kinect Flayer is still procing on horde, not only elite, specials and monstruosities as described. Sadly. FYI

[mossy oyster]

iirc it just prioritizes those better

but can still pop on horde

[faint frost]

Oh... didnt know that

[zinc phoenix]

I didn’t know anyone took it

[mossy oyster]

justice for KF

[analog agate]

I, unironically, have been running it some

[mossy oyster]

anytime I see KF proc in a game I ask was that kinetic flayer value to my soyker

immediately

[analog agate]

Though it annoys me when I see it hit a bruiser

[zinc phoenix]

I mean back when you got warp charge for bb it was ok

[mighty cipher]

It’s always valuable for comedy

[zinc phoenix]

Not great but it did have a purpose

[mighty cipher]

This was always the case due to weird math reasons

[analog agate]

It’s purpose now is just a little bit more dmg to elites/specials

[mighty cipher]

It’s not weighted any differently

[faint frost]

It feels sad to still proc on horde... In my description (portuguese) says: "All attacks agains Elite, Specials and Monstruosities..."

[analog agate]

And I haven’t needed KD so have allocated that point to a dmg talent

[mighty cipher]

It got weirder. I was still able to hear the in-game VC

[summer prairie]

there's code now that specifically makes it only target elites/specials/monsters but it doesn't work

[clear heath]

but it doesn't work
the fatshark special

[mossy oyster]

so they just added it to the description then

clever fatshark "buff"

[mossy oyster]

@lusty brook ^

soyker moment

[mighty cipher]

No, I think they legitimately tried to make it only target E/S/M but just straight up failed to do so

[zinc phoenix]

It’s too bad you can’t transform into a chaos demon thing by hitting 1000

[mossy oyster]

[fresh reef]

@mossy oyster I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT

WE ALREADY HAVE BOLT STAFF, IT'S THE AGRIP SHOTGUN

AND IT IS BEAUTIFUL

[ancient plover]

how does this work?

[mossy oyster]

are you just special slugging + manstopper + true aim

[zinc phoenix]

Shotty gunker? You gotta share that build 😂

[mossy oyster]

• scriers

[mossy oyster]

ive been running DBarrel gunker since they could use the shotgun

its even dumber now

[unique mist]

are quell speed and warp resistance interchangeable dump stats on the Electrokinetic/Surge staff? Or is one more desirable than the other?

[mossy oyster]

with the new talents

[zinc phoenix]

I refused to come back til they did itemization 😂 I am in need of this shotty gunker build

[lusty brook]

Very cool

[upper sun]

tbh

[mossy oyster]

I use this with Dbarrel / Agri Revo

[upper sun]

i tried bubble voidstrike ep assail

worst mistake of my life

[zinc phoenix]

Is souldrinker worth it here?

[fresh reef]

yes

[ancient plover]

oh by killing an elite you get the stack and then you proceed to stay infinite at 100 right

without overcharging

[mossy oyster]

yes

anything you kill that has soulblaze on it

[zinc phoenix]

Interesting that you have enough fire

[mossy oyster]

procs souldrinker

[zinc phoenix]

Oh wat

[autumn smelt]

its more just EP makes it to where youre dealing WAY more damage and iirc it does give it some extra cleave too

[ancient plover]

is it viable in real play?

[zinc phoenix]

I gotta try this wacky shit

[mossy oyster]

im not sure if souldrinker procs off other people's soulblaze's

but iirc it might

[autumn smelt]

just like the WC node at 10%

[autumn smelt]

yeah

[ancient plover]

could you share me your full build would love to try it out

[ancient plover]

havent played scriers gaze

[autumn smelt]

you can also just add this onto a gunker build with DD

[mossy oyster]

what I'm usually running as gunker

@zinc phoenix

[ancient plover]

I remembert when they added that and nobody played it because it was bad and now many ppl us eit

[mossy oyster]

tbh if I know we're getting monstro specials

or have a feeling we'll be spammed by carapace and cant deal with it quickly

I go agri revo

[autumn smelt]

what hes doing with this gunker build gets a large part of the same thing

cuz once scriers reaches 100%

[autumn smelt]

you can just spam assail which is getting the 100% cleave

[mossy oyster]

I spam assail after I hit 100 and warp unbound procs

[brazen rampart]

Not brain burst...

[lusty brook]

Assail is so cool I feel like yondu

[mossy oyster]

I sometimes throw assail in during melee/hordes

[zinc phoenix]

That’s insane I love it

[lusty brook]

It's also braindead easy as well

[brazen rampart]

This is because you're not a true soyker...

[mossy oyster]

also the buffs of keeping scriers up are broken

then I get to abuse 100% peril

[lusty brook]

Is soyker just psyker but with a British accent

[upper sun]

wowowowo no KF?

[ancient plover]

is there a way to see the lingering effect better? like a mod for it?

[mossy oyster]

(too bad i'd have to tax myself like crazy to get to warp rider)

[ancient plover]

to not just kill yourself once its over

[fresh reef]

yeh

[lusty brook]

Just count to 10

[fresh reef]

since I actually pull out BB to use it on this build lol

[ancient plover]

but I'm dumb

[mossy oyster]

hahnda

[fresh reef]

pop scrier's > BB for deleting bulwarks from my sight

[mossy oyster]

you're abusing crits with this shotgun right

[ornate hamlet]

I'm doing that one to change a bit from assail spam

[fresh reef]

yes?

and?

[ornate hamlet]

Which is stinky

[mossy oyster]

wheres TTS

cause you are running scriers

[ornate hamlet]

So I'm getting to try some less wacky stuff, like dueling sword, autogun and brain burst

[fresh reef]

true

[ornate hamlet]

Unfortunately revolver ruined my perception of time

[fresh reef]

hang on

[lusty brook]

Dueling sword is so cool

[ornate hamlet]

BB feels slow and awkward even with KR

[brazen rampart]

See my issue with that shotgun build is that you have no assail for true aim.

[ornate hamlet]

I always keep imagining "I would've done this faster with revolver"

[brazen rampart]

BB is neat but takes too long.

[lusty brook]

Assail procs true aim as well? Bruh

[mossy oyster]

id drop toughness talent for TTS

[ornate hamlet]

And now that we have surety of arms, revolver psyker is better than ever

[brazen rampart]

It's a weakspot hit, aint it?

[lusty brook]

You right

[brazen rampart]

Just be careful because assail can also eat true aim.

[mossy oyster]

personally hahnda I like this build but I would drop toughness talent for TTS and crystalline for another scriers node (movement speed or toughness) or crack of bone

[lusty brook]

That's fine I just use assail for everything anyway

[ornate hamlet]

DS4, revolver with surety of arms, assail with warp splitting, crack of bone, scrier's gaze with precog and warp unbound, DD and you just clown on everything

[fresh reef]

revolver doesn't get to ignore bulwark shields tho

[mossy oyster]

actually yeah

why no crack of bone

[lusty brook]

Mk4 dueling sword has weird looking lights it ain't for me

[mossy oyster]

it be perfect for spamming Illisi bloodthirsty

[ornate hamlet]

Just dodge back and headshot them to death

Dumbass bulwark will open itself for you

[fresh reef]

not really necessary

[mossy oyster]

neither is crystalline + warp unbound

but

https://tenor.com/view/school-bored-invaderzim-gif-13400847

[fresh reef]

already bringing Warp Unbound, so if I need to spam it I can just grab that

[fresh reef]

no but crystalline is funny and sometimes I don't feel like waiting for Scrier's to be off cooldown before spamming illisi

[static needle]

Is stability the dump stat for both heavy laspistols?

[mossy oyster]

this isnt a jab at you hahnda this is just my gripe with crystalline in general, why would we introduce a "skilled" class mechanic like making sure to not overload yourself cause thats what the whole class is basically about

just to remove that with a single node

and make shitty play more welcomed

not a fan

total crystalline death

[ornate hamlet]

This but iron will

[mossy oyster]

iron will is stupid broken too

seen vets eat crusher overheads they werent aware of

just to keep ignoring them

[fresh reef]

you still take full corruption damage

and get to turn yourself into a nade

[mossy oyster]

not worth it

if the damage was actually substantial

yes

but no its not

[ornate hamlet]

I'm not sure if I'd put warp unbound on the same place because I wonder if it's more the effects of being locked at 100% peril and less the ability to not ovelroad

[mossy oyster]

warp unbound breaks the game in other ways

[ornate hamlet]

Because using warp unbound to spam 10 assail darts with doubled cleave is wacky

[mossy oyster]

crystalline gives you a safety net from blowing up

[ornate hamlet]

But maybe the cleave would be the problem there

[mossy oyster]

crystalline literally defeats an entire mechanic

that was designed only for that class

lmfao

[ornate hamlet]

Plasma gun vets:

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-shaking-head-gif-13593506101986476598

[mossy oyster]

it removes any sense of fear or danger for misplaying

and plasma vets just turn off the whole game

so you arent winning in that argument either

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, they don't even go down with the talent

[clear heath]

is crystalline that thing that just lets you explode without dying?

i don't remember the talent names

[ornate hamlet]

Yep

[mossy oyster]

id give crystalline more lee way if it didnt literally just shut down the "scary" part of playing soyker

and if self explosion actually could kill things outside of walkers

lmfao

[clear heath]

honestly to me it's kinda just a nothing talent

[mossy oyster]

that too

[clear heath]

i don't see why they bothered

[mossy oyster]

if you're sufficiently good at soyker or unless you're trying a meme build

crystalline doesnt exist

[clear heath]

and if it was for like, new players, why tf is it at the bottom of the tree?

[radiant frigate]

crystalline is not real

[ornate hamlet]

Y'know

[mossy oyster]

anyways total crystalline death rant over

[ornate hamlet]

Isn't it a bit wacky how

[radiant frigate]

yes

[mossy oyster]

it wont be leaving anytime soon

[ornate hamlet]

Crystalline is at the same path as smite builds

I'm sure it's entirely unrelated

[mossy oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1202399927322419230.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[ornate hamlet]

Fatshark is not making any statements or comparisons

Any relations are purely coincidental

[lusty brook]

I love smite it's so fun

Doesn't do anything though

Every time I use smite I just think that I could've just meleed the horde

[clear heath]

I only really use it as an emergency tool

[mossy oyster]

assail :

https://tenor.com/view/allow-us-to-introduce-ourselves-veggietales-veggie-larry-the-cucumber-bob-the-tomato-gif-21074601

[clear heath]

i wish they would rework smite. I don't find "hold button to disable everything" really that fun

breaks the flow of combat

[radiant frigate]

i wish i had any reason to pick smite

[kindred edge]

Make it a charge and release blast cone that has really high knockback and electrifies

[clear heath]

Half the reason i pick it is cause i like lightning

[radiant frigate]

imagine if they made smite into what surge staff is now and then reverted surge staff to what it was in The Before Times™️

[fresh reef]

@mossy oyster

[radiant frigate]

suddenly i want to pick it

[clear heath]

the other half is because it's in the middle of the tree

[fresh reef]

I would like to argue a case for crystalline that isn't skill issue

[lusty brook]

It's cool because you can feel like the Emperor (the different one) but it just doesn't do a lot. Maybe if EP made it do even more damage

I like going full electromancer with surge and smite

[radiant frigate]

how does it interact with corruption resist

[fresh reef]

it doesn't

[radiant frigate]

epic

[fresh reef]

just drops you down a wound without requiring that somebody revives you

[radiant frigate]

if it did then you could do something funny with the zealot cleanse aura

[kindred edge]

What's the not-skill-issue use case?

[lusty brook]

What if crystalline will made the explosion huge and did more damage like Ogryn bomb

[fresh reef]

free revive psyker has grenade ammo now and recovers that via Medicae and health stimms

[radiant frigate]

i assume on your last wound it still just kills you?

[fresh reef]

yup

[lone ravine]

Well when you have 0 hp…

[fresh reef]

100% peril reset

[mossy oyster]

.

[clear heath]

it's also a second backup mana bar that refills on medicae

[mossy oyster]

you shouldnt want to reset anyway

you're using warp splitting

+100% cleave scaling with peril

even worse if you're using warp rider

what is the point of resetting your peril in this case

(oh wow I wanted things to get off me)

shove and use warp rider's dmg boost?

I will never like crystalline

[kindred edge]

That's a pretty fucking niche use case

[mossy oyster]

hahnda makes builds like that

but I dont find it a good enough argument

to warrant crystalline

ever

[clear heath]

Does it play an animation for exploding or does it just instant take your corruption?

[summer prairie]

65% faster animation

[fresh reef]

plays the animation but it's 1 second instead of 2

[fresh reef]

oh hey, faster than I thought
neat

[clear heath]

oh

[mossy oyster]

the most niche case use ever

is nuking yourself + having a CDR stimm injected

so you can immediately scriers from 0 again

and that just sounds stupid

[kindred edge]

Yeah, like... I guess you could use it for that, but I feel like the opportunity cost makes it not worth it

[mossy oyster]

total crystalline death

[kindred edge]

You could be putting that point somewhere much more useful, or useful much more often

[mossy oyster]

heres how I would tweak your build even more hahnda

and thats about it

or just go soulstealer if you BB alot

but im always a fan of free soulblaze

on elites/specials kill

more dps

[kindred edge]

The amount of DPS gain from that is pretty minimal unless you're built around it, no?

[mossy oyster]

if I had warp fire dmg on in scoreboard I could check on my gunker how it usually goes

but its more something I just take and forget

like I said

extra dps is fine by me

I also use it with souldrinker

[kindred edge]

I would be curious to see the result of that warp fire damage check on the scoreboard

Compared to overall

[mighty cipher]

Surprisingly not because there so many of them per game

[fresh reef]

@mossy oyster dropped my wound curios for stamina

[lyric burrow]

PC wont give you a ton of soulblaze damage but it does generally kill a good amount of elites

[fresh reef]

this should be funny enough still

[lyric burrow]

Its very worth taking

[mighty cipher]

And any of them that spawn in groups can cause insane chain reactions that can clear entire rooms

[lyric burrow]

If you can fit it in

[mossy oyster]

oh I guess I should say im using mk6 on my gunker also

so uncanny buffing DoT damage moment

[kindred edge]

[mossy oyster]

yea I think this is fine, a few personal different nodes i'd take but thats just me

[fresh reef]

a few stamina

[lone ravine]

Not enough stamina

[kindred edge]

Ah. Bug or intended?

[mighty cipher]

Who knows

It’s been in the game forever

They’ve patched out similar things but that interaction has been untouched for years at this points.

[late sapphire]

Buffs applied to you apply to all effects caused by you.

No idea if it works with bleed or burn though...

[mossy oyster]

bug that became an intended gameplay mechanic usage from the players though

thats why people go uncanny bleed, uncanny knife stack while burning things, etc

[mighty cipher]

It’s not intended until the devs themselves acknowledge it. Just tech.

[mossy oyster]

yeah long story short just call it "tech" cause its stupid and most probably unintentional

just like all good fighting games

[fresh reef]

@mossy oyster game ignored that I had Warp Unbound active

epic

[mossy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[ornate hamlet]

Hound 1
Mutant 1
Sniper 2

[mossy oyster]

thats why once im in the 80-90% range

I dont do anything related to peril

because warp unbound bug

I let it max out first

[fresh reef]

it was max lol

I popped scrier's exclusively to spam

[mossy oyster]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/366

warp unbound moment

[strong gulch]

Yeah that transition from SG to WU is always sus. Even on weapons on staves it works on.

[mossy oyster]

yep

it happened to me once out of a fuck ton of games

and it happened when I was using assail

[fresh reef]

revised

I find I'm only pulling out the shotgun to special snipe, so reloading my one shell faster seems better

[ornate hamlet]

Does the elite aura hit the reaper breakpoint

[mossy oyster]

fair enough

just dont nuke yourself by reloading

and then popping an illisi special

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1202399927322419230.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[fresh reef]

in other news, I forgot to put 2% hp on one of my curios

so I didn't get the funny 1984 health bar

L

[ornate hamlet]

oh nooooo

[waxen jackal]

I hopped on space Marines 2 after playing a lot of darktide. It's so much easier

[wet compass]

I going crazy, or no pop talent on psyker dosnt work sometimes with scrier

[half turtle]

there's a bug where you still explode sometimes w some staves

i think surge and purg?

[wet compass]

Damn, so now way around it? No happy 10% rending max dmg max crit chance scrier surge spam?

[half turtle]

not until fs fixes it

[strong gulch]

Yeah surge and purg are bugged with, but even with things it's supposed to work with, you just explode sometimes. WU does't always protect right as scriers ends.

[strong gulch]

You can surge staff lmb spam but the charged attack will kill you.

[half turtle]

i've just stopped taking wu at all

just don't overload ez

[wet compass]

Yeah, but breaks a lot of interesting synergy on staff scrier builds

[strong gulch]

I'm running trauma and SG lol. I'm taking the risk

[half turtle]

overloading half the time is worse than always overloading bc i'm tempted to try it

[wet compass]

Max flurry+crit chance blessing for 10 seconds

With rending

With 20% dmg bonus

[half turtle]

you're doing the true aim build right

[wet compass]

It's sexy on paper but impossible

[strong gulch]

I have true aim but no.

[half turtle]

oh are you playing normal blaze trauma with sg

[wet compass]

I just wanted to overheat and unload like crazy with surge 😦

[strong gulch]

ye

[half turtle]

hows it feel

[wet compass]

Shame

It's in the know bugs part right?

[half turtle]

i want to try it but also shriek is so much damage

[wet compass]

So code is spaghetti, they have to manually enable this perk with every peril weapon cringe

Oh, smite shriek is cool, but I want some crazy one shots on secondary fire

I really dislike m1 spam on staff tbh

[strong gulch]

It's pretty fun imo. I miss creeping flames because of the utility, but I can just recklessly go aggro. Full charge to kill things. Fast animation canceling for smaller ciricles and just ignite everything.

[wet compass]

I think this animation cancel stuff is bad

M1 warp g buff for staffs dosnt work with purgatus

So sad

[strong gulch]

Yeah those m1 buffs not working on purg is sad

[wet compass]

So much missed opportunity with new tree and blessings

No new blessings wich go well with staffs except blaze away for purg

Imagine blaze away on every staff

[strong gulch]

I always animation cancel when I play trauma.

[wet compass]

Blazing spirit for surge stuff

Imagine

It would have worked with both secondary targets and it would have enabled soul drinker

And it would actually spread from targets you kill with it unlike trauma

Maybe blessing wich gave you stronger guaranteed crit is both targets died from secondary

[half turtle]

seems pretty cool, i really do like how SG lets you just go full melee man even on big mixed hordes like crusher+rager packs

[wet compass]

Or just blessing wich made secondary fire spread for more targets and loose less dmg.

Radius blessing for trauma

Explosion after specialist kill on void strike

Some many opportunities rip

Also

Does brittleness blessing is any good on purgatus or dead blessing?

Only good at boss right?

[half turtle]

its ok if you plan on hosing down crusher packs and you're not willing to go for melee headstabs with uncanny strike

[rigid sky]

I like nexus and blaze away on purgatus mostly

They're both really strong

[half turtle]

ds can really safely take headshots against crushers bc the special staggers them on headshot

[rigid sky]

the brittleness one is third choice imo

[half turtle]

yeah i don't think it's top tier just because uncanny strike exists

[rigid sky]

yeah you got brain rupture and deimos or ds4 for crushers

The swords eat carapace for breakfast alone before uncanny even gets considered

or you can torch a whole pack of crushers and then stack your uncanny after

[half turtle]

oh i just mean uncanny will also affect your fire damage

yeah

[rigid sky]

especially good on deimos because you can trigger 4 stacks on a special light to the head, immediately

for purgatus I'd definitely favour deimos tbh

[half turtle]

it's more effective than penetrating flames it just requires a bit more active play

[rigid sky]

Force swords will always have a place just for how strong their push attack is

[half turtle]

with purg i like to hold down fire until all the chaff is dead and then just finish out w
stabs

[rigid sky]

even if ds4 is like a much easier to use, faster deimos

the push attack is worth it

[half turtle]

mostly i like ds > deimos bc of mobility

[rigid sky]

It's mobility vs better push power

mainly

but deimos also has the uncanny combo which works really well with purgatus

I ended up speccing my duelling sword out of uncanny

didn't feel like I really needed it in the end

[half turtle]

yeah sadly ds special doesn't stack uncanny i think

[rigid sky]

I went with rampage and riposte

but I'm only using it on my gunker

[half turtle]

oh i'm using thrust now bc it's so juicy

[rigid sky]

I actually need its horde clear on gunker

yeah thrust appeals too

I think I can oneshot crushers and mutants on a crit

without having to hold for extra time like with thrust

[late sapphire]

thrust sucks

uncanny is a damage boost just like rampage

[rigid sky]

maybe I go back to uncanny rampage or uncanny riposte tbh

[late sapphire]

remember 5 stacks of 24% rending is 30% damage at least...

I run uncanny precog on a melee focus build, uncanny riposte otherwise

[half turtle]

thrust is probably bad on a pure melee build but i'm mostly running it as a sidearm to kill mutants and sometimes ragers/crushers

[rigid sky]

Is rampage still power or is it properly damage now?

[half turtle]

where i use it once or twice before going back to staff

[rigid sky]

On the gunker you lean on it a lot but it's really strong

scrier's and disrupt destiny add so much damage to it

[half turtle]

i don't like guns that much : ( they're strong but i just don't like shooting

[rigid sky]

it actually horde clears

It's a fun change of pace

[half turtle]

i've been running pure melee sg and it's fun

[rigid sky]

it's the game's hidden 5th class

[half turtle]

but not with thrust ds

[kindred edge]

I want a real 5th class so bad

[rigid sky]

Trouble with thrust is on auric 5 you wanna be stabbing faster than thrust lets you really

it's like great you eventually killed a crusher, now deal with the other 6 of them

[late sapphire]

Some people swear by shred over riposte, but i think that's a trap... shred stacks decay when you whiff, so you can't use the heavies to move around when using shred

Thrust meanwhile is a dps decrease... rather than heavying once with thrust you can heavy attack twice...

I can see it on a ds2 though, to make more use of the h1

[strong gulch]

Just had mission where the ragers were silent, trapper net not stopping after she was interrupted, and other sus things.

[half turtle]

yeah so i play ds as the sidearm on blaze trauma, for instance

where the main use case is to like, stab the one mutant, or stab the one rager i dropped on the ground, or stab the one dog, then move back to staff

[rigid sky]

Shred feels pointless yeah

dodge blessings proc all the time

[half turtle]

so basically i stab once or twice and then put it away

[rigid sky]

it's riposte vs precog imo

but the duration on riposte makes it win

[half turtle]

i like riposte more than precog

[rigid sky]

and getting more reliable crits and triggering your DD bonus damage more of the time pushes you over breakpoints more frequently I think

precog would only have any chance to be better against bosses and I'm not sure it is even there

[wind spruce]

It's not. Because of how weakspot and crit damage scale, if you have DD 20% crit is a bigger damage increase

[rigid sky]

Yeah, about as I expected. You want to have as few normal hits as possible since the crit scaling is so high

[wind spruce]

Yeah, and already having ~30% crit/WS damage means adding +60 onto that is a smaller percentage increase

[static needle]

Which DS is better? mk 5 or 2?

[sick wasp]

whats the dump stat for combat blade

[static needle]

i refuse to use the busted ahh mk 4

[wind spruce]

Use the mk5 then because the mk2 has the same busted heavy attack

[lone ravine]

When in doubt, mobility

[sick wasp]

whats the 2nd one

if i want mobi

[kindred edge]

I don't think anybody has tested, because the difference between 80% and 60% mobility is so little.

Very slightly less sprint speed and slightly lower dodge distance

[lone ravine]

It’s just a slight dodge distance and 50-60 is usually where you gain your last eff. Dodge

[lone ravine]

Defenses is second

If the weapon even has that stat

[sick wasp]

ah, well i just got a 59 mobi and everything capped so ill prob just use that

[kindred edge]

For some ogryn weapons it's collateral

[lone ravine]

Yea the auto gun where you don’t want them running while you shoot

[kindred edge]

Just make sure you have the max number of dodges and you're good to go

[primal plume]

What exactly is "Maelstromy" about this? I see no extra conditions

[latent mauve]

nothing

[primal plume]

So its just a normal damnation?

[latent mauve]

yer

[static needle]

How long is that mission gonna stay there n occupy my sweet auric maelstrom??

[late sapphire]

???

Ask in zealot chat

[sudden sedge]

Dangit

I miscliked sorry

[hollow jolt]

Its maelstrom baby 😎

[primal plume]

half an hour

[static needle]

it appeared as the maelstrom before this too @primal plume

[late sapphire]

doing it rn (got dced)

literally just normal train

[primal plume]

was super easy

was basically 10 mins

[late sapphire]

You can get ASS in 35min lol

[primal plume]

The what?

[late sapphire]

Gloriana

[rigid sky]

sounds like my time to do some maelstrom then

gunker feels like a reliable way through

or maybe shovel tauntgryn

[potent echo]

Should they replace hab dreyko minigame with train minigame

[late sapphire]

Both have balls

[late sapphire]

assail kills everything

[rigid sky]

it really does

[late sapphire]

Cause barely any cover n only ever one room

[potent echo]

Hab dreyko minigame sometimes I have 2/3 figured out but some pub decides to try it themselves

[late sapphire]

Just do em in one go idk

[potent echo]

Just get lucky

[late sapphire]

Also

The penances they accidentally added and then deleted

Were for special operation missions, right? I guess we're getting another one soon

'soon' as in maybe in half a year knowing FS

[potent echo]

Reskin the train mission

[late sapphire]

Not train, the twins

[latent mauve]

Did ass work for the train

Are they that fucking stupid

[latent mauve]

Did you just get auric storm survivor from train

[hollow jolt]

yes

[hollow jolt]

it genuinely works

[late sapphire]

6min train run

ASS is genuinely doable in one rotation

[hollow jolt]

It is

I just did like a hour ago

[wind spruce]

I wouldn't want them to give a shit about this

[primal plume]

WHY DOES IT DYE THE EYEBROWS 🤢

[ornate forge]

Eyebrows are hair, yeah?

[primal plume]

Usually you dont dye the eyebrows

[potent echo]

It's natural

[jovial juniper]

[lone ravine]

the speed you pull out stuff when swapping weapons

[mighty cipher]

There’s a slight delay when pulling out a weapon. It cuts down on that.

[lone ravine]

well tbf psyker doesnt really have that long of a draw time to begin with

[jovial juniper]

Do you see the problem?
Lmao

[next imp]

why doesnt this chat have pinned builds like the other classes 😅

[kindred edge]

Check out the Psyker Athenaeum guide on Steam. There are several builds towards the end.

[sweet veldt]

ogrynomicon reigns supreme

[wind spruce]

Do not do this. Only the Purge BR and surge soul smite builds are remotely meta, and the Atheneum isn't updated for the latest patch.

[ornate hamlet]

I just checked and can confirm

[ornate hamlet]

Any recommended builds? I'm struggling getting back into psyker after a few months break

[wind spruce]

Every staff and multiple guns are s-tier. List a ranged weapon you want to use and I'll throw you a build

[kindred edge]

Oh, good to know

Thanks

Which guns would you say are the best options? I want to know what I should start working towards

[wind spruce]

Recon las guns are #01 now imo. Pick the fast firing one. The columnus IAG (now called vraks I believe) is right up there and las pistol is extremely strong.

[left dagger]

any reason to use recon or columnus (now vraks)? both are rapid fire rifles idk functional difference aside recon larger mag

was using columnus and confused why fire rate is lower turns out they renamed graia to columus

[ornate hamlet]

Cheers. I'm a sucker for the purge now inferno staff. But I'm open to trying other staffs if they're better

[fresh reef]

does the drip go hard?

[ivory path]

What build are you guys running for just raw damage my siblings?

[late sapphire]

voidstrike dd sg

[wind spruce]

For me the main functional difference is that the columnus IAG is a lot harder to aim compared to the recon, especially at medium-long range. Recon is basically a laser hose capable of shooting snipers across the map easily. Recon also has somewhat better ammo efficiency. It also utilises burn which is just a cool mechanic on a gun. The IAG will mow things down quicker that are right in front of you eg a pack of ragers, but with recon you can lightly spray an elite with scriers up and it will die a second or two later from burn

[jovial juniper]

Surge Scrier's WS

Screw that one guy in particular and his cousin

[ivory path]

Ive only used scriers on gunker, can you peril explode during it?

[late sapphire]

there's a new talent

[jovial juniper]

Warp unbound is not working on Surge and Purgatus afaik

[kindred edge]

I have this from before the itemization patch, how does it stack up?

[late sapphire]

100% grab infernus

[wind spruce]

This is a perfect base. Whack flak, infernus and dum dum on it. Then either crit chance or unyielding if you're running monstrous maelstroms

[kindred edge]

Sick. Thanks!

[ivory path]

how does that one stack up compared to the columnus?

[wind spruce]

Inferno staff is the one staff I don't really play tbh

[wind spruce]

It's better now imo

[mighty cipher]

Purgatus my beloved

[ivory path]

also just now seeing the columnus i had before patch turned into a vraks

[wind spruce]

How's this for a purg build

[mighty cipher]

Pretty standard for Purg EP/BR

[wind spruce]

Sweet. Still not gonna play it

[mighty cipher]

Fair enough

[ornate hamlet]

Totally fair, that seems to be common that people give it a miss. What's your favourite staff build? I want to branch out more

[wind spruce]

Maximum deletion voidstrike build

[analog agate]

Blaze trauma build is what you will see regularly hit over 1 mill dps.

[left dagger]

thanks i see. so IAG is for close medium, recon also for extreme ranged

[wind spruce]

For me, definitely. Your recoil control might be better.

[mighty cipher]

Behold! My build!
”The Abomination”

[analog agate]

What. What build is that?

[mighty cipher]

Purg

[wind spruce]

You disgust me.

No psykinetics aura

[narrow herald]

why is colat less important than mobility on the recons? 🤔

[wind spruce]

Because collateral is either doing nothing or actively working against you by making enemies flinch too much causing shots to miss

[mighty cipher]

I’ve been using this since the ORIGINAL class rework

When vet didn’t have a fucking keystone

[wind spruce]

There is literally no justification for not taking psykinetics aura other than hating your teammates and yourself

[left dagger]

so keep collat as low as possible

[wind spruce]

Dope

[jovial juniper]

It's just stagger

[narrow herald]

I want to stagger the crushers 😔

[left dagger]

nah, even with bolter i want low collateral since i can 2x double burst fire them in the head

[mighty cipher]

Pfft. Bold of you to assume I have any respect for those morons. (I made this build before I had any real knowledge on what was good and I don’t bother changing it due to nostalgic attachment)

It’s dogshit but it’s my dogshit.

[wind spruce]

Disrespecting morons is valid. You may continue, Sir.

[spice veldt]

you may not want collateral on recons because gunners and whatnot can flinch out of where you're aiming at

[nocturne dust]

counterpoint: that means you get to shoot more

[spice veldt]

you speak fax

[wind spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-fax-gif-5856919888306491200

Holy shit that's an irritating gif

[dusk void]

You should be aiming for these stats

[mighty cipher]

OH RIGHT. I remember now why I had it setup like this.

Due to ragers having substantially more HP AND more damage reduction due to manic armor type during that timeframe you needed warp charges AND Kinetic presence to oneshot them without EP. My reasoning was ”I don’t need any more cooldown reduction because I need at least some time with the charges to oneshot ragers”.

Fantastic reasoning I know.

[late sapphire]

failed showoff

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I don't think the match is going all that well if you're that much more ahead of your teammates in damage, lol.

[late sapphire]

do this

[nocturne dust]

ew

those damage taken stats hurt me

[late sapphire]

i got dogged a few times

the zealots, well

[nocturne dust]

I was mainly looking at the, uh... bigger numbers there.

[dusk void]

Aren't psykers supposed to have the highest kills and damage?

[nocturne dust]

Eh

[mighty cipher]

Not really

[late sapphire]

@ivory path this is my dps build #psyker-class message

[mighty cipher]

Everyone has equal* chance to top frag

[late sapphire]

move a point from ethereal shards to warp unbound

[dusk void]

Also, I like to call myself a casual player. I'm not that hardcore like you

[nocturne dust]

Any class can do the highest damage/have the highest kills

But if you have both the highest damage and most specials/elites, then your team is slacking

[late sapphire]

I disagree

[nocturne dust]

if the disparity is pretty large

[late sapphire]

If you have the most elites/specials and the most horde kills though...

[nocturne dust]

well, I guess certain modifiers let you get most damage without horde mulching

[mighty cipher]

The only situation where your team is slacking is when you’re top of EVERYTHING damage related.

[left dagger]

wow swtich to recon suddenly im killing weverythign with laser pointer

[mighty cipher]

Or you’re using some busted shit like plasma

[nocturne dust]

Even plasma has trouble getting everything if your team is not braindead

[ivory path]

How does scriers work with staves? Get peril down to zero, pop it, and start blasting?

[nocturne dust]

warp unbound too

[ivory path]

scriers ends once you hit 100 right?

[late sapphire]

Warp Unbound, mostly

[ivory path]

or does it have a set period

[late sapphire]

for the 10s after scriers you have infinite perils and cant explode

[nocturne dust]

si

[placid crypt]

Las pistol/deimos with scriers/dd goes hard. Everything feels like cutting into butter with the new warp splitting

[late sapphire]

But yeah during scriers you get 20% extra crit, you want the extra 20% from nexus via perils as well so you edge around 70 perils for a bit

[nocturne dust]

just watch the buff timer so you don't blow yourself because you forgot warp unbound ends, lol

[late sapphire]

Then when you end scriers you blast whole hog 10s

20% crit, 20% damage, 100% cleave bonuses

No quelling

Just output

I am cheating a bit i moved my sg timer and true aim to the middle of the screen

[ivory path]

Edging without being able to shriek is a daunting proposition, but ill try

[mighty cipher]

Max quell-speed can totally out-quell gaze until nearly 20 stacks.
Charge up a shot, activate and release. Quell aggressively to compensate for the buildup and eventually just let it ride all the way to 100

[late sapphire]

When you fail edging your sg ends and you move into infinispam territory

[late sapphire]

Spending time quelling in sg is a waste

Quell a lil not that much

[ivory path]

Is it clear when the 10sec period is ending or do i have to pay attention to my buffs?

[late sapphire]

Buffs

There are mods for that though

[ivory path]

Whats the mod name?

[late sapphire]

There's a timer mod, i just used Better Buff Management to make a 2nd buff bar and Custom HUD to stick it centered in my screen

I arranged 3 buff slots in the center for myself, on psyker they're sg, sg (lingering) and true aim, on zealot i have piety, charge and immortality and so on

[mighty cipher]

With some weapons definitely. But high SG stacks gives a fuckton of damage with precog and a finesse weapon like Assail, melee, or a voidstrike.

[warm bolt]

New to Psyker here, just made a relatively basic build (i think) and i've noticed some talk about quell cancelling or something? I tried it and i just can't for the life of me get it, is this a thing thats like patched or should not bother learning this?

[nocturne dust]

or just be like me and only use warp unbound for safety reasons because everything is already dead before SG ends with empyric resolve

[mighty cipher]

The turbo M1 shots?

[late sapphire]

scab melee mael...

hence the 1.4mil dmg

[ivory path]

If youre new i wouldnt even bother unless you really want to

[nocturne dust]

I never use quell cancelling and I regularly run auric/maelstroms

[ivory path]

dont think quell cancelling matters much until you get to very high end content

[late sapphire]

Grab a surge, blast a lightning bolt and the moment it connects, swap weapons. That's swap canceling.

[nocturne dust]

You don't need it. It helps, but you don't need it.

[ivory path]

and yeah even then its optional

[warm bolt]

Say less, i'm not going to bother this shit be hurting my poor fingers lmao

[mighty cipher]

Quell canceling is literally flex tech

[late sapphire]

Hit lmb and directly after, quell (basically in the same movement). repeat until you find a delay where it works. spam. that's quell canceling

[ivory path]

Its fun though when you manage to do it

machine gun down monstrosities

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it's pretty easy to do it's just annoying

My poor fingies

[late sapphire]

Swap Canceling is vital on surge imo

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/broken-finger-broken-fingers-broken-hands-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-12264054

[late sapphire]

Sometimes you need the trapper shooting a net at you to be dead now not in 0.5s

[mighty cipher]

Nah, Ooga Booga M2 works wonders.

[nocturne dust]

Nah. I use surge without it.

[ivory path]

@late sapphire What would be your dump stat on voidstrike staff for that sg build?

[late sapphire]

blast radius

[nocturne dust]

Blast your radius

[late sapphire]

The blast is really inconsequential

[mighty cipher]

Warp res

[late sapphire]

ds4 dumps cleave damage

[ivory path]

Does that affect just the end explosion or the width of the projectile?

[nocturne dust]

Not on an sg build

[nocturne dust]

end explosion

[late sapphire]

Supposedly it effects projectile size but i don't believe it

[ivory path]

For some reason i had it in my head that it also affected the projectile width

[nocturne dust]

mobility, fite me

[late sapphire]

Smaller projectile is better though

[warm bolt]

swap cancelling is a lot easier

[late sapphire]

full build with extra cleave damage dump just for you

[warm bolt]

But the quell cancel feels so jank lol

[late sapphire]

here is just everything

cleave damage is a good few % of dmg i won't deny

[mighty cipher]

There’s a very distinct timing with quell canceling

[analog agate]

Quell canceling is just tapping R after casting. How is it jank

[late sapphire]

but mobility is imo the most important stat for this build

[nocturne dust]

no ER
ew

[late sapphire]

because you use it to make distance and keep blasting

[late sapphire]

80% sg uptime lel

[ivory path]

so roughly this?

[late sapphire]

Yeah

[nocturne dust]

gotta bump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers

[late sapphire]

i have this evil 382 statline

[nocturne dust]

Tzeentch crap

[warm bolt]

Probably cause i use the full auto mod

[mighty cipher]

Oh lmao

[nocturne dust]

quell cancelling doesn't work with fullauto, lol

[ivory path]

This was my pride and joy pull from before update

[nocturne dust]

like, at all

[analog agate]

For staff? Are you doing a lmb build?

[late sapphire]

yeah it does

[mighty cipher]

65 quell speed

[nocturne dust]

No?

[late sapphire]

Yeah it does

[nocturne dust]

Nay

[late sapphire]

I have full auto enabled right now

From the FullAuto mod

And i am quell canceling right now

From my hands

[nocturne dust]

Every time I have used FullAuto with quell cancelling, it doesn't work because FullAuto only triggers at set intervals for weapons

[late sapphire]

It can't auto quell cancel yeah

[nocturne dust]

well that's what I meant

[mighty cipher]

Does anyone have a video of QC macro? I’ve never actually seen it’s full potential

[dusk void]

Perfect Trauma staff?

[late sapphire]

this is what i set my ui up as

[nocturne dust]

I should do that

but also that means downloading more mods

[late sapphire]

and on my zealot

[nocturne dust]

my list just gets longer and longer

[late sapphire]

it's also finagley as hell

[ivory path]

Also what situation would I use assail instead of just blasting with staff?

[late sapphire]

Many spread out enemies

[mighty cipher]

Building Precognition

[late sapphire]

Quick toughness replenish

[nocturne dust]

spread out enemies, low visibility shooters

[late sapphire]

Enemies too close to charge up

Enemies on all sides

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[late sapphire]

14 ragers beating on the poor zealot who already suffered 1.5k damage

[ivory path]

Gotcha, never used assail much because i frequently explode when i try it

[late sapphire]

a few shards to soften them, then a huge ball instakilling 2

[nocturne dust]

lol, I use assail for this way too often

[late sapphire]

The biggest annoyance with voidstrike is that the ball doesn't hit heads reliably if it can also hit body

[mighty cipher]

”CoCA ColAAAAA ESPUMAAAAAAA”

  *(Psyker Explosion)*

[late sapphire]

So you have to aim a bit above where you usually would

[potent echo]

Assail feels rather meh into ragers but enough shards always get the job done

[tame venture]

For people who have it, couldn't you just make a macro on a programmable mouse to shoot and quell cancel automatically?

[nocturne dust]

or just let the shards do the killing

[nocturne dust]

you could, yeh

[late sapphire]

I have such a macro, i think it's cheating though

[potent echo]

You can be you would be a poopy peepee

[late sapphire]

IMO the fullauto mod is already enough

If i need the extra dps my fingers will pay the price

[mighty cipher]

Show it off. I want to see some real speed

[nocturne dust]

It ain't cheating if you can do it yourself. It is cheating if you tweak the numbers to be beyond human capability

[late sapphire]

I would physically cripple myself if i quell canceled for 40min in a row

[tame venture]

The trick is shooting and quelling at the same input time right?

[late sapphire]

Small delay

50ms or so

[nocturne dust]

I mean, that's true for me for a lot of builds.

[late sapphire]

I can do it well because i have quell on the thumb button

[nocturne dust]

Button smashing hurts

[mighty cipher]

It’s cheating to use a macro regardless. It’s about consistency and control. I can QC but I can’t aim while doing it or my consistency eats dirt.

[tame venture]

Imo I consider most of the movement cheese used at high level play as breaking the system

[ivory path]

Only time ive tried quell cancelling is when i see a monstrosity a long ways off

[nocturne dust]

Hard disagree.

[late sapphire]

Movement cheese...

[gusty canopy]

So what is best on a Seers presence Defy Destiny build? A Bolt Pistol or a Assault Lasgun?

[nocturne dust]

Also, that sounds like a practice issue

[gusty canopy]

Just curious.

[late sapphire]

Voidstrike

[mighty cipher]

Man. We don’t agree on shit do we.

[nocturne dust]

I don't quell cancel but I can aim if I do it, lol

[tame venture]

Honestly even if I make a macro I'd probably shoot normally most of the time anyway

[potent echo]

Best is voidstrike unless you want boss damage

Boss damage is laspistol

Or mk5 iag

[late sapphire]

Boss damage is melee with a ds4

[gusty canopy]

Ah i see! Thanks!