psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

Then it should be a solid choice, truw

E

[late sapphire]

warp expenditure sucks, no

[ornate hamlet]

Expenditure is kinda ass tbh

[late sapphire]

if you are generating peril you are killing and are making toughness

[waxen jackal]

Makes sense.

[late sapphire]

The toughness on quell talent, meanwhile, kicks in when you are not killing and therefore has a role

[wind spruce]

There's too many better choices than warp expenditure now (and tbh there always was)

[late sapphire]

One assail shard, three horde trash kills, 10% perils
soulstealer -> 22.5% toughness
warp expenditure -> 2.5% toughness

[waxen jackal]

2.5 % is kinda low

[late sapphire]

It's almost an order of magnitude worse

Of course larger targets take more perils to kill etc but that's roughly why it's bad

[waxen jackal]

I think I'm gonna go with endurance and try out souldrinker. And if it doesn't seem to do much, I'll just go for 15 more toughness

Can never have too much toughness

[late sapphire]

15 toughness is a lot on psyker

[waxen jackal]

Forsure

[ornate hamlet]

Souldrinker gave me a noticeable survivability with Perilous Combustion and Wildfire

[late sapphire]

wildfire...

[ornate hamlet]

And I'm legit tempted to try out blazing spirit

[late sapphire]

I guess that does give the fire spreading behaviour of wildfire a use

[ornate hamlet]

Yep

[wind spruce]

Ew

[waxen jackal]

I'm also tempted to try out blazing spirit

[fringe garden]

Hey now, Blazing Spirit is good for Trauma. Or well, goodish.

[late sapphire]

It's pretty good on trauma

[wind spruce]

Pre sure the implication was for force swords

[ornate hamlet]

On swords

[late sapphire]

Shame t4 blazing spirit is not even better than t3 lel

[wind spruce]

Makes a big difference on trauma imo

[late sapphire]

Still caps at 6

[wind spruce]

Yeah but you hit that much easier

[fringe garden]

There really is no scenario where BS is good on the Force Swords. I really dunno what the devs are going for there.

[waxen jackal]

I was thinking switching my surge to blazing spirit. So it would be nexus blazing spirit on voidstrike

[wind spruce]

2 stacks of wildfire + one crit

[late sapphire]

Maybe

[wind spruce]

It's not a MASSIVE difference

But it's significant

[potent echo]

6 stacks is more than enough to kill chaff

[late sapphire]

Voidstrike blazing? no definitely not

[potent echo]

Also with PC? That's 9

[late sapphire]

The reason you take sg is in part to get crits

[potent echo]

It's over

[wind spruce]

Ew

[late sapphire]

Voidstrike Surge has giga crits

[wind spruce]

I was about to ackshully you goddamn it

[late sapphire]

Kill several maulers on a good shot crits

[waxen jackal]

Maybe I'll make a trauma staff then

[late sapphire]

Voidblast

[fringe garden]

No

[waxen jackal]

I think I'll use my last point on perilous assault

Lol jk

[late sapphire]

Blazing trauma venting shriek is fun

Always keep in mind that blazing spirit has a low cap and venting shriek has (almost) no cap

[wind spruce]

What talent are you giving up for this point, you have 30 used in your picture

[late sapphire]

If i understood correctly the souldrinker point is under discussion

[waxen jackal]

I was just joking about perilous assault

Is emphatic evasion useful?

[wind spruce]

I know I know I was just clarifying from edgier

[waxen jackal]

I also got rid of battle mediation and moved it to endurance

[wind spruce]

Absolutely. It's not the MOST valuable on a void build but assail procs it a lot, and imo its more worth it than anticipation on your build

[waxen jackal]

Well I'm in luck cuz I have room for both

If I don't take souldrinker

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/rdLX2Z

LMAO im a menace

three poxbursters team hits in 20s

[waxen jackal]

Bout to try damnation for the first time on any class. Hope it goes well

[half turtle]

gl

[waxen jackal]

Thanks

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/PPJGWM

@late sapphire @ornate hamlet why do we reckon souldrinker doesnt proc until right near the end of this clip?

i suspect because the other psyker shrieks in the same direction right as i start proccing PC

@strong gulch which possibly confirms that SD doesnt work from other psyker's owned soulblaze like in fire reborn

[ornate hamlet]

I want to say it's like the DD buff being occasionally bugged

But I don't know

[late sapphire]

I can't distinguish souldrinker and empathic evasion

[wind spruce]

possibly, at 7s in a shotgunner drops down in front of me with soulblaze on it that i dont think couldve come from me, so the other psyker must've shrieked

[wind spruce]

how lmao

they are such different lengths

[ornate hamlet]

😳

[wind spruce]

souldrinker finally procs at 18s in

[late sapphire]

Literally never used souldrinker

is it the buff with the icon almost like crystalline will? what?

[wind spruce]

yeah thats the one

weird that its so different than its icon in the talent tree

[waxen jackal]

Do people not fight the abominations? Like I knew DH, but on chaos spawn like half the team ran away

[wind spruce]

big scary

[waxen jackal]

Me and one other guy were trying to fight it, if the etiquette is to run tho, I'll start running lol

[ornate hamlet]

Wait, I don't think that icon at 18s is souldrinker

[late sapphire]

It's common to lead it back a bit to fight it in an emptier space

[ornate hamlet]

Isn't souldrinker similar to empathic evasion?

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/b8aY6Z

i run run away

[late sapphire]

If it pushes you forwards into a roaming pack of bulwarks you might have issues

[wind spruce]

not in game

[waxen jackal]

We were in an empty space that we had just cleared. They ran into a hallway. good to know tho

[ornate hamlet]

What is the right one?

[late sapphire]

In maelstroms you have to fight with the others to get a chance at killing the boss

If your team is good enough that is

[waxen jackal]

Geeze I almost didn't recognize the game from the UI lol. I'm on console

[wind spruce]

everyone hates my UI

[late sapphire]

I hate your ui

True aim and sg in the middle is good

But i have sg, sg lingering and true aim in separate slots

[waxen jackal]

Idk, I could see how it's useful.

[ornate hamlet]

The small guy in the middle at the second icon lasts 4s

[late sapphire]

The rest is rancid though

[ornate hamlet]

The right guy that looks like empathic evasion lasts 5s

Oh wait, it's crack of bone

[wind spruce]

shit im getting myself confused

[ornate hamlet]

Okay, so souldrinker matches the icon

And it seems to be weird to activate

Lemme check the video again

[wind spruce]

it doesnt proc at all

[ornate hamlet]

Seems at no point it activated

[wind spruce]

what mod are you using for that

[ornate hamlet]

I think it might still be what you mentioned, or maybe it's a display bug like I mentioned

[late sapphire]

It's three separate buff bars from that one mod

[ornate hamlet]

So maybe one of us was right anyway and nothing changed

[late sapphire]

meticulously positioned with custom hud

[ornate hamlet]

I love the relevance of new information

[wind spruce]

the mods called three buff bars?

[late sapphire]

Better Buff Management

i think

[wind spruce]

im using buff hud improvements atm but maybe i need to use better buff management

[late sapphire]

You have it too, no?

[wind spruce]

ya sweet

ill switch

[late sapphire]

Better Buff Management lets you make as many bars as you want

[wind spruce]

dope

[late sapphire]

I just made one bar for each effect and stuck em so they line up well, kinda sucks to get the positioning right but it works

[ornate hamlet]

I had an idea

Bleed bolt pistol

Blazing spirit sword

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-shaking-head-gif-13593506101986476598

[waxen jackal]

Wish fatshark would allow console mods. Or give mod support. The icons at the bottom of the screen sucks

[patent mango]

if only this game had mods

[late sapphire]

I used to play it on gamepass on pc, bought it again on steam for the mods

[waxen jackal]

Yeah I'm getting a rog ally soon, I'm hoping darktide will run on it. I don't think it will tho. I could put mods on there

[wind spruce]

i prefer bleed knife burn recon and soulblaze thangs

[waxen jackal]

I did just figure out I could put cross hairs on my staff. Instead of the dot which is nice

[late sapphire]

i like the dot

[wind spruce]

i like the dot when im charging but hate it when im lmbing

[waxen jackal]

I didn't at first. I might have gotten used to it tho. I guess I'll see.

Nevermind it won't let me change it

[half turtle]

the dot is fine except it's sometimes hard to see when you're trying to take snap shots with staff lmb

you need a mod to change it

[wind spruce]

anyone wanna help me do some souldrinker tests in mission

[wind spruce]

you can change crosshairs without mods now

[half turtle]

yeah but the built-in crosshair customization doesn't seem to work for the staff lmb specifically? unless they changed that recently

[waxen jackal]

Nah I just tried it. Still a dot

[wind spruce]

Ah fair play

[waxen jackal]

Damn I never turned off motion blur when I first started playing

[patent mango]

does anyone even like motion blur

[vocal socket]

has anyone else noticed that all the limited time acquisitions are poopy?

[split lance]

If I ever meet someone that likes motion blur I will rid the planet of their existence

[ornate hamlet]

So, fire sword was actually pretty alright

[patent mango]

lmao

[ornate hamlet]

Motion blur is unfortunate

We biologically have it, but we also have a single focal point

For motion blur to make sense, we kinda have to stare at the center of the screen all the time

[waxen jackal]

I hate it. I had thought I turned it off. Guess not

[split lance]

Not me. I’m built different

https://tenor.com/view/built-different-egg-girl-yolk-gif-23910082

[strong gulch]

If SB ownership matters, then that sucks. I didn't see any souldrinker procs. I hope that's not intended.

[wind spruce]

I want to test it in game but I need another psyker!

You free?

or @split lance ?

[split lance]

hi

I can be free

I think

[wind spruce]

sick

don't think, just do

[split lance]

I’ve been playing awful tho

Just awful

[mossy oyster]

@fresh reef

https://tenor.com/view/rise-and-shine-gif-24754829

[split lance]

What build do I use

[wind spruce]

any build with creeping flames

free now?

[split lance]

Peeing

[wind spruce]

ping me when you're ready

[cedar zenith]

If I'm running Mettle I should probably have warp nexus on my inferno staff, no?

[split lance]

Inferno staff does get nexus yes

Nexus and blaze

[cedar zenith]

quell speed still the dump stat on those?

[split lance]

join vc 40

[strong gulch]

Good luck on testing. @wind spruce and @split lance . I'm in bed rn so I won't be joining. (Unless I won't forking sleep.)

[sage salmon]

is this a good big ball staff?

[split lance]

Hey sorry just a lil longer

[fresh reef]

assail build with bloodthirsty illisi and surge surge

is it based?

[mossy oyster]

id run atk spd and crack of bone instead of the TDR and perils of the warp corruption nodes

but thats just me

[ornate hamlet]

bro picked crystalline

[fresh reef]

Crystalline is based wdym

[ornate hamlet]

I never blow up

[mossy oyster]

crack of bone + bloodthirsty spam

also 10% atk spd

[fresh reef]

slight adjustments

felt like I was leaving the surge staff unbuffed

[zinc phoenix]

Ok I love Empyric resolve

That ish is just fun

I’ve been running it with bubble for the toughness regen and so I always have a hole to cower in

DS4 and void because I felt like playing void after all this blaze trauma and surge smite

And then empowered smite for the ability to drop to a carry

It’s super super super fragile but a lot of fun to play and has definitely forced me to get gooder

The ability to just yeet balls or smite forever is pretty fun

Won a few aurics with it, it’s definitely not a power build but I am enjoying it

[cerulean ridge]

this seems pretty close to ideal no? https://i.imgur.com/CpbWZ0C.png

[wind spruce]

close enough

[cerulean ridge]

what would be closer?

[wind spruce]

people usually have low warp res

[unborn flicker]

anyone else overloading with the electrokinesis staff right click even while using the warp unbound talent tree?

[split lance]

its bugged f

for electro and inferno

[unborn flicker]

ok XD

glad I wasnt crazy

[split lance]

works great with assail tho

[mossy oyster]

ggz civik

[unborn flicker]

yeahhhh shame assail has such poor performance now

[sick wasp]

I think its just bugged if u overload before the buff that prevents it gets applied

ive had occations where if i left click right as it gets applied i still explode

[unborn flicker]

Im testing it in the psykhanium rn

its definitely not working for any sort of right click

with elctro staff

[sick wasp]

yeah

When im using void staff, i just let it cap when i cant vent it anymore for a second just so it applies the prevention

before firing again else i just risk it killing me

Idk why the buff isnt just applied right away in the first place

and just have it tick down once u actually hit 100

[vocal socket]

is the purg dump stat actually damage?

[wind spruce]

Assail is very strong

[mossy oyster]

buff assail make everyhit apply soulblaze

[wind spruce]

And bleed

[mossy oyster]

also from your question way earlier Irosk, yes it generally works like normal assail aka looking in that direction but ive noticed RMB'ing after shards are already active

[wind spruce]

Rending assail when

[mossy oyster]

gives it alot more accuracy

in my experience

[wind spruce]

Good to know!

[mossy oyster]

and you dont have to waste the charge up time of RMBing into LMB

[sacred crane]

and brittleness

[mossy oyster]

if soyker gets bolter and gets bolt pistol adjacent glitches

you could potentially have shattering impact apply on your assail when hot swapping

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1202399927322419230.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[wind spruce]

Assail was applying bleed from the bolt pistol blessing last patch

[mossy oyster]

thats what im speaking in reference to

it was very silly

[wind spruce]

Does it still work

[mossy oyster]

id have to get a bpistol and test

[austere warren]

What are some fun duelling sword builds yall have come up with? Thinking of setting up another gun psyker in the future now that I have some stuff leveled up to 20 for mp. Working on the duelling sword rn so that'll help.

[sacred crane]

scriers build but you forget you have a gun

Also, can we get a cool animation for BB where your character snaps their fingers and the heretic's head pops

[potent echo]

No, warp res

[sacred crane]

you actually want higher peril with purg staff

for nexus and to get stacks for shriek faster

because higher warp res = less peril = less nexus and shriek

[small whale]

ive seen so many quell macro spammers in malestrom today whats going on

[potent echo]

Gaming

[queen trout]

Whats the max stacks of soul Blaze blazing spirit can stack?

I think I remember someone saying 6 but that seems low

[ornate hamlet]

Methinks it's in the description

Wait, 6?

[queen trout]

Me knows it isn't

[ornate hamlet]

Doesn't it stack like 4 per hit

[near wyvern]

People are drinking too much soy here

[plucky flax]

Yes. At tier 4 it's 4 per crit to 6 stacks cap.

Should be 8.

[queen trout]

Yes but I'm wondering what the cap for soulblaze stacks are from blazing spirit

[ornate hamlet]

This game causes me intense metaphysical pain

[queen trout]

As designed

6 stacks is so low man, makes me not want to do a full send crit build

[broken carbon]

it’s good for horde clear, a couple of crits will clear all chaff

[upper galleon]

i mean you got PC and creeping flames

if you want to full send stacks that is what the flame staff is for

[broken carbon]

and if you manage to proc perilous combustion on enemies with 6 stacks already, or shriek, that’s a free 10 stacks of burn that melts shit

[severe folio]

anything new while i was gone

[queen trout]

i ran this, probably just had a bad time with it because the first game i play was a nurgels blessing modifier so i couldnt get ragers off of me

[plucky flax]

I'd really suggest creeping flames with blaze trauma.

[severe folio]

when did scrier gaze prevent being explode

and when did bio lightning give you some zappy ability on normal hit

[nocturne dust]

I wouldn't drop quietude if you have Empyric Resolve unless you're very confident in not taking damage

[nocturne dust]

da update

[nocturne dust]

da update, but that node sucks

[severe folio]

what are the new good nodes

[nocturne dust]

Empyric Resolve

Warp Unbound

Warp Splitting

Those are the only ones that really stand out

Like there are some other good ones like Souldrinker, but they have detriments (like Souldrinker being for soulblaze builds and being on the wrong side of the tree)

[queen trout]

i was doing alright without it, just buffed ragers that were troublesome and i wont use this build again against nurgel modifier

[severe folio]

any changes in each staff

[nocturne dust]

every staff except voidstrike got renamed

[severe folio]

oh ok

[nocturne dust]

as for builds tho, surge blessing on voidstrike got crazier since you can combine it with scrier's

Purgatus got more burny with blaze away

[upper galleon]

purge has a brittleness blessing now, surge got surge blessing but it doesn't work on rmb

[severe folio]

i asume with the new warp unbound

[upper galleon]

oh and not a staff but 100% cleave made assail really busted

[severe folio]

blaze away ?

[nocturne dust]

si, you would use warp unbound at minimum, and I would recommend Empyric Resolve as well

[atomic swan]

some staffs got new blessings

otherwise didnt change much

[upper galleon]

increased power for channeling longer

[nocturne dust]

The flames burn ever brighter

https://tenor.com/view/fire-boy-scary-evil-demon-pyromaniac-gif-8585117

[severe folio]

is it a blessing

[nocturne dust]

Yes, Blaze Away is a blessing

[severe folio]

i see

[nocturne dust]

Purgatus also got Penetrating Flames (brittleness blessing), but honestly it isn't that great. It's decent tho.

[severe folio]

are we able to change blessing on weapon rn

[upper galleon]

but i really recomnend taking assail, scrier's stopping you from blowing up for 10 seconds, and either EP or DD

[nocturne dust]

If you have the blessings unlocked via mastery

[upper galleon]

just for the experience

[severe folio]

what is EP and DD

[nocturne dust]

Empowered Psionics, Disrupt Destiny

[severe folio]

oh

[nocturne dust]

The bottom middle and right keystones

[severe folio]

ah that one

[restive ice]

estonian penetration

[nocturne dust]

Elden Ping

[severe folio]

not warp siphon with flame staff anymore ?

[nocturne dust]

old man vet with ping on m1

[nocturne dust]

No? You use warp siphon with flame staff still for optimal flaming

[severe folio]

oh ok

[nocturne dust]

They were talking about assail

[severe folio]

oh ahh

hmm

i wonder how will my scrier flame staff work now

[nocturne dust]

oh uh

just to note

Warp Unbound doesn't work with purge/surge staves

Is bug

[severe folio]

ah okay

that mean it will work in the future ?

[nocturne dust]

As soon as Fatshark fixes it, they've listed it as a known issue

But a Fatshark soon™️ is an interesting amount of time

[severe folio]

is the dick-shaped force sword still stagger with one hit

[broken carbon]

yes

[nocturne dust]

still waiting for solo mode

[severe folio]

insane

[broken carbon]

deimos h2 will stagger everything except bosses

[severe folio]

i see that psyker get the heavy blade now

oh

is that a fix

i think i recall before it can also stagger boss

and zealot get our dueling sword now

[unkempt prism]

does anyone else have this bug

[upper galleon]

probably be fine but still worse than venting shriek with the extra fire node

[nocturne dust]

everyone does

[upper galleon]

that lets you overcap

[severe folio]

thats true

[severe folio]

and theres a bug rn

why is the brittle blessing not good with flame staff

the soulblaze damage dont get higher with brittle ?

[potent echo]

No

It's already 1.0 or higher for all armor types

Besides carapace, which is 0.1

Rending max is 20% so you go from 0.1 to 0.3

It still takes forever to kill them at max stacks lmao

Blaze away straight up 50% power on everything there's just no real contest

[severe folio]

ah okay

so then

if not penetrating flame

what should i go with for second blessing

[potent echo]

Nexus or flurry

There's argument points for each

Pick your poison

I go with nexus warp charge

[severe folio]

oh yeah

werent they the only choices back then

[potent echo]

Yuh

[severe folio]

using both nexus and flurry

hmm

i like the crit

[potent echo]

No flurry is really slow but no crit kinda sucks

[severe folio]

crit still apply 2 stacks right

[potent echo]

Also mettle with purg is kinda broken now

[severe folio]

mettle ?

[potent echo]

Syllo has a whole video series on it

But it's just not working properly

[severe folio]

oh yeah

mettle

crit to replesh toughness

[potent echo]

Yea it just doesnt

[severe folio]

i feel like back then it worke

but now it doesnt ?

[potent echo]

New update broke it

moment

It works with most things just not trauma and purg

[severe folio]

okay then

[potent echo]

So 🤷‍♂️ warp expenditure?

[severe folio]

so why is soul drinker on the wrong side

[upper galleon]

Also true purge and surge arent working with the dont blow up node

[severe folio]

very unfortunate

[upper galleon]

You havent seen the horror of my rending cara elites staff

[severe folio]

but i game with old scrier with purg anyway

[potent echo]

I have not indeed

It's more complicated than that, and also not complicated at the same time

[upper galleon]

I am the number one scrier purge hater

[potent echo]

If you read the source code you would know why it's broken

[severe folio]

oh i see

[upper galleon]

I think it’s just people overvaluing the +1 stack on crit and underestimating the overstacking power of creeping flames

[potent echo]

Nuh uh

[potent echo]

#psyker-class message

[upper galleon]

The exchange rate for crit chance to time to max stacks is like 10% crit to 6% faster time to max stacks (assuming 76% burn, if you are leveling crit chance is worth more for getting to max stacks)

[severe folio]

creeping flame is pretty bonker

[potent echo]

#psyker-class message

[upper galleon]

and most enemies don’t live long enough to either hit max stacks or take more than a few ticks

[potent echo]

You still get more stacks

Better than rending that does literally nothing

[severe folio]

i forgot what is the max stack of purg

15 ?

16 ?

[upper galleon]

Crit chance isn’t bad at all

[potent echo]

15/16

[upper galleon]

It’s just overvalued

It is not worth the perk slot, and not worth taking scriers for

[severe folio]

creeping flame add in 6 more right

[upper galleon]

Nexus is great

Nexus blaze away is the best rn

5% crit aura is good now too

[potent echo]

Scriers is just fair weather stuff

[severe folio]

i believe if you are taking scrier for purg

[upper galleon]

Scriers purge is my arch nemesis

[severe folio]

it isnt about killing with the 15 flame stack

its more about killing with just the base flame that is spewing out alone

[potent echo]

It doesn't change your gameplay or your ability to clutch or anything

[atomic swan]

15 right now
but you can exceed it to 16 by doing crit at 14 stacks

[upper galleon]

Creeping flames is just really good and lets you hit 21/22 stacks

[atomic swan]

lmao

[upper galleon]

On targets that do live that long

[severe folio]

yeah

i believe that if enemies are still around, one max vent with cf will wipe them out

if that soulblaze mechanic hasnt change since last i play

[upper galleon]

You get damage boost from warp charges and warp rider and perfect timing so you dont need scriers either for the damage boost and tbf

[severe folio]

i think i have a video testing that

[upper galleon]

Maybe with the new - %peril talent

But before that was added i have not seen a single purge psyker maintain scriers long enough to build up considerable bonus

[nocturne dust]

I dunno that any ability on Psyker really clutches, except maybe bubble in really bad positioning situations

[upper galleon]

But that could have changed with the new peril reduction talent

[upper galleon]

Psyker clutches with a well rounded kit also walls>bubble

Bubble is generic place and forget, walls can block off entire fleets of specialists

Oh yea is peril reduction multiplicative or additive

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's whole thing is preventing the need for clutches, imo. There's just nothing in their kit for clutching and it's all about being consistent and constant.

[upper galleon]

A good psyker with ds4 is basically the monty python rabbit when cornered

[nocturne dust]

that's just anyone with a ds4

[upper galleon]

True

[potent echo]

Creeping is absolutely crazy good for clutching

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/watchmen-gif-8794746

[upper galleon]

Being cornered by crusher pack and coming out unharmed is no longer unique

[potent echo]

If someone dies off a ledge or runs into bombers or lines of gunners, clutching doesn't mean saving them

[nocturne dust]

Hot take but no it ain't. Not compared to yellow toughness or taunting/charging.

[potent echo]

Clutching means letting them die and basically you solo the rest of the map

And creeping is basically all you want in a solo situation

[severe folio]

but what if you pop scrier with the 20% extra speed

and then combat knife through the mission

[nocturne dust]

I mean, when I think of clutching I think more of "the chips are down and I'm the only one standing during this event and have to last long enough to get my buddies up" not "my buddies all died and I get to walk through a third of the map by myself"

[potent echo]

That's what most people mean by clutching though

[severe folio]

most people likes to walk through third of a map without any allies next to them ?

[potent echo]

If I see dorn or agentchaos say I clutched for half the map that's kinda what they mean

[nocturne dust]

Well yeah, you can clutch for half the map by being the only one alive, but that feels less like a clutch and more like a guy soloing

[potent echo]

You single handedly save the game

[severe folio]

or desserting

idk about other but if im alone i dont wanna progress through the map until i get some allies with me

darktide is too scary to walk alone

[potent echo]

If your build/playstyle can't run solo for 1/3 the map is it really good

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but there's a huge difference between "oh crap, let me drop the ogryn bomb" and "let me waltz through half the map alone"

[severe folio]

i think he knows the difference

instead should ask him which one does he prefer

[nocturne dust]

When I say clutch, I mean the former where you need an immediate 'well crap, things need to be unscrewed' and not 'let me show my consistent awesomeness'

[severe folio]

that would be a positive influence to your teammates for sure

however, i dont think we have the luxury of choice sometime

[nocturne dust]

Arguably, you can solo on any build. But, imo, the better builds are ones that actually cater to a team and aid your allies over selfishly maxing out your own DPS.

[severe folio]

a general catering for anyone you match up in public ?

[potent echo]

My idea on darktide is basically sticking together very bad for team dps

[nocturne dust]

That's why I prefer things like penetrating flame and bubble, it helps out my allies, some of whom may need a mental check-in, a lot more than it helps me.

[potent echo]

Ideally the ranged builds will kill ranged and melee kill melee

[upper galleon]

Maxing out my dps keeps my team alive

Cause nothing can hurt them

[potent echo]

But because things change so fast people just end up hitting whatever is closest

So you get crazy dps overlapping and reduced efficiency overall

Meanwhile shooters and specials are running rampant

[nocturne dust]

I really find that this is not the case.

[upper galleon]

Fly my angry bee swarm

I mean with EP node, assail gives toughness to you melee anyways

[upper galleon]

For u

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ Sure

[upper galleon]

For me it does, if i try supporting for penances i feel less useful and more like a backpack

[potent echo]

Even the "protect the lilones" cringryns always leak one or two poxwalkers

[nocturne dust]

well maybe support to support and not for penances?

[upper galleon]

I am lol

[potent echo]

So you can't even play pure ranged because they are too pre occupied keeping themselves alive

So why even stick with the team honestly

[upper galleon]

Like come on you expect me to fully invest in shield

Even for a penance

No im going to try to still deal damsge

[severe folio]

well im just gonna use the purgatus anyway so theres only one task for me to do

[nocturne dust]

wdym, fully invest in shield?

[upper galleon]

But all im doing is nerfing my own damage so maybe my team uses it

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't take your whole build to have a shield, lol

[upper galleon]

wdym support to support then lol

[nocturne dust]

I've yet to see a pub team that actively ignores shields

[upper galleon]

Oh yea that happens or the opposite does

They sit in shield and die to something stupid

Like gas or a flamer that stepped in an extra inch

Or the shield is getting absolutely shredded with gunfire but they remain sitting in the open so when it breaks they just get crossfired

[nocturne dust]

Auric pubs aren't that stupid... or they stop playing auric very quickly, lol.

[atomic swan]

imo only bad builds (or playstyles) are the builds that no ways deal with disablers
either straight up killing them, bunker up, or some CC etc

[upper galleon]

Auric pubs aren’t the stupidest, but they def can be that stupid

Def not heresy players

[potent echo]

I have a bad build that lost to a crusher wave

Tacaxe / laspistol / assail just cannot

[severe folio]

the Warp Splitting only affect melee weapons that can cleave right

[potent echo]

Need to rely on uncanny master race

[severe folio]

does it affect any ranged weapon that im not aware of

[nocturne dust]

I mean, tacaxe has some of those new blessings.

[potent echo]

Affects guns and assail too

[nocturne dust]

Are any of those brittleness or something?

[severe folio]

why does it affect assail

[upper galleon]

And void

Assail cleaves

[potent echo]

Still 6 heavies to crusher to kill 1

So bad lmao

[upper galleon]

That’s why

[nocturne dust]

all of them

[atomic swan]

got flooded by disablers and sent post to forum that said trapper OP

[nocturne dust]

well, all that have cleave

so guns, voidstrike

[mighty cipher]

Because it’s assail. Why are you surprised?

[upper galleon]

Lights and heavies have like the same cara adms on taxe

So you shouldn’t be heavy vs them weirdly enough

[severe folio]

any fix or update to wildfire

to make it less shit

[potent echo]

6 lights still takes forever when you have 5 of them overlapping and STG wave from behind

[nocturne dust]

Well, for one, wildfire isn't crap, so you've started from the wrong opinion

[upper galleon]

It’s like the (before it was fixed this patch) the weird maniac adms on combat axe

[severe folio]

why is it not bad

[upper galleon]

Wildfire was great at padding damage over a game and deserved the nerf

[potent echo]

Wildfire exists

[upper galleon]

It should never be a must have talent

[nocturne dust]

Free 4 stacks for inferno

[potent echo]

It does ok

[nocturne dust]

on every hectic situation

yum yum

[potent echo]

But opportunity cost too

[upper galleon]

Now i think it’s fine

[severe folio]

its not really a free 4 stacks though

is it

[mighty cipher]

Wildfire is dogass outside of purg

[severe folio]

if there are multiple enemies

[nocturne dust]

On Inferno, it entirely is

[potent echo]

Blaze trauma is decent too

[nocturne dust]

Sure.

[upper galleon]

Before the nerfs it only took 2 wildfire waves to spread through enemies to kill all ranged trash

[potent echo]

You get a few extra stacks here and there plus PC

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/good-childish-gambino-tequila-gif-20430899

[mighty cipher]

I’m the wildfire simp but it literally just isn’t good

[severe folio]

did they change how wildfire work

[upper galleon]

It’s a fine niche

[nocturne dust]

It is, just only for purgatus, smh my head

[severe folio]

compare to how it was before

[potent echo]

It's not as bad as it seems and it won't carry your games (unlike PC)

[nocturne dust]

Yeh, it's fine where it is. At least it's not... charged strike

[severe folio]

can someone explain it to me again

[potent echo]

It didn't change

[mighty cipher]

I’ve actually heard good things about charged strike

[upper galleon]

PC and creeping flames outshine it but when it was good it was a must have

[potent echo]

People's opinion changed

[severe folio]

oh i see

[nocturne dust]

You should check your hearing

[severe folio]

so its still shit

[upper galleon]

Cause all it did was just give you a straight damage boost

[potent echo]

Yuh

[severe folio]

i guess i wasnt here enough to tell them its shit

[potent echo]

It isn't though

Destroyed

[upper galleon]

I wanna meme smaul plus charged strike

[severe folio]

isnt it pretty bad because of how little flame stack it spread to other enemies

[upper galleon]

Take high voltage and scrusher

And just beat heretics to death

[severe folio]

scrusher ?

[potent echo]

Skull

[severe folio]

what is that

[potent echo]

Blessing

Play the game

[nocturne dust]

no, because it's, again, a free 4 stacks for purgatus in basically any auric situation.

[severe folio]

actually what is high voltage

[nocturne dust]

Don't worry about it

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26735574

[severe folio]

as far as i remember

[upper galleon]

Much like every other thing in psykers kit, it scales with difficulty and density

[severe folio]

wildfire doesnt really multiple the amount of soulblaze stacks flaming around a horde does it ?

[nocturne dust]

except assail

[severe folio]

i guess it make sense if you arent using anything like the flame staff

but if you have a flame staff

[upper galleon]

If the enemies are stretched out over a distance, wildfire basically increases your damage range slightly

[severe folio]

wildfire is kind of redundant due to how little flame stacks it carry over ?

[nocturne dust]

Huh? No, wildfire is most useful with the purgatus

[upper galleon]

It is for spreading through ranged enemies outside your normal range

[upper galleon]

EP assail

[mighty cipher]

It’s only useful with Purgatus

[upper galleon]

Walks into the room

[severe folio]

yeah but it doesnt really do anything to them does it

if there are multiple enemies around

[tame venture]

oh speaking of, does the smite augment that electrocutes in melee work with the shock maul's blessings that work on electrocuted enemies?
or smite in general doing stuff with other electric mechanics

[severe folio]

each of them get less and less wildfire stack

because it can only carry out 4 stacks in total

[upper galleon]

2 wildfire waves kills all trash enemies, it at least chips down enemies, and can sometimes get lucky and proc pc

[nocturne dust]

It gives them 4 stacks of soulblaze, wdym

[severe folio]

this is why i wanted to know if theres anything changed with wildfire

[upper galleon]

Combine that with creeping flames, you get more range than just your purge staff

[mighty cipher]

It’s spreads four stacks across several enemies

[nocturne dust]

yes, up to 4

[severe folio]

for example, an enemy with 6 stacks of soulblaze die, and theres 1 enemy next to him

that enemy will get 4

[upper galleon]

It’s not a great talent but it is good for what it does, padding a bunch of chip damage

[mighty cipher]

No. It’s 4 total.

[nocturne dust]

yes

[severe folio]

however, if there are 2 enemy next to them

[nocturne dust]

that's what I'm saying

[severe folio]

each enemy get 2

[nocturne dust]

It adds 4, split, and stacks up to 4

[severe folio]

and if there are 4 enemy next to them, each of them get 1

[nocturne dust]

yes

[upper galleon]

And chip damage isn’t useless when your lucky chip kills can proc pc

[mighty cipher]

Ah. Mild misunderstanding.

[nocturne dust]

and how does that make it useless?

[mighty cipher]

I plead oopsies

[nocturne dust]

It's free soulblaze stacks

[severe folio]

because thats only 1-2 stacks of soulblaze

[nocturne dust]

Sure, for individual targets

[severe folio]

when purgatus can spray in the same kind of spread and give each enemy 4-5 stacks in a matter of seconds

[upper galleon]

That is just one enemy tho

Add in for each enemy

[severe folio]

okay so

lets say there are 4 enemies with 6 soulblaze

[upper galleon]

What about enemies out of your range slightly?

[nocturne dust]

Well, no, firstly wildfire has the ability to hit things outside purgatus range/sides

[severe folio]

use assail to kill them

[upper galleon]

Or to the left or right

Or what about starting wildfires with PC procs with your BR

[mighty cipher]

Reminder that the main reason that wildfire is shit is because it’s impact is minimal compared to picking something else with that skill point.

[severe folio]

idk if wildfire can kill an elite enemy to proc pc

[nocturne dust]

secondly, in a tense situation where you have a horde coming at you, the first bit of enemies wildfire doesn't help much but the next all have 4 stacks before your purgatus even touches them

[upper galleon]

It’s not a talent for meaningful breakpoints it’s good for it’s constant free damage

[severe folio]

if it cost a skill point is it really free

and if it doesnt really multiple the amount of flame stack going around like PC

[nocturne dust]

Well, idk anything in psyker's talent tree that is as ready to be taken

[severe folio]

is it really free damage

[upper galleon]

BR elite, elite dies, br another elite, it dies. Trash mobs can now start dying from fire, and will start spreading

[nocturne dust]

on a purge build. Souldrinker is 3 points away.

[tame venture]

i like wildfire because it helps make all the grey mooks stand out against the grey terrain

[severe folio]

yeah, but that, isnt that only a few amount of wildfire stacks that will spread around afterward

like 1-2 stacks of wildfire on the rest

are they really enough to kill those trash mobs

without anyone else killing them first

[upper galleon]

Chips them down

[severe folio]

ehh

[upper galleon]

You are constantly sending out blaze stacks and not just your purge range

[severe folio]

so you basically spend a skill point to consistently tickle enemies that your weapon cant reach

[nocturne dust]

like, what else would you take?

[upper galleon]

Creeping flames, PC procs outside your range, enemies not in your direct purge range

[severe folio]

until those enemies get into your allies range and your allies kill them anyway

[mighty cipher]

KINETIC RESONANCE?????

TF YOU MEAN?

[nocturne dust]

So you're saying damage is a dump stat?

[nocturne dust]

BB is a joke without EP

[upper galleon]

Spend a skillpoint for a more damage and constantly weakening enemies

It’s a perfect pair for purge staff

[nocturne dust]

and you should be using your purgatus staff on a purgatus build, not BB

[severe folio]

what do you mean by weakening enemy

how much weaker are they because of wildfire

[nocturne dust]

starting the fire sooner means killing the enemy sooner

[upper galleon]

Everything is chipped down to half health or less lol even if you dont use purge on them

An enemy can be affected by wildfire multiple times

Just play any tight map auric maels

[severe folio]

hmmm

[nocturne dust]

this, wildfire gets more helpful the more enemies get thrown at you

like everything purg

[upper galleon]

I get 2 creeping flames off cause warp charge cdr op and the gunners who are on a ledge out of my range died and now fire is being spread to the underlings

[severe folio]

wait hold on about that

if you are using the purg staff, at which point are you not purging

[upper galleon]

BR something you cant reach immediately

Melee’ing crushers

[severe folio]

yeah but those case

[upper galleon]

Pause for screaming break

[severe folio]

wildfire arent really going to be chipped down half health from pure wildfire and pc alone do they

[mighty cipher]

Sure. Now deal with the sniper 80 meters out that none of your teammates can hit.

Or the fucking wall of gunners.

It’s in infinite range instakill for most enemies and it’s extremely consistent boss damage.

[tame venture]

okay here's a big question for you guys:
Wildfire, or Kinetic Flayer?

[nocturne dust]

maybe just try wildfire in auric instead of just railing against it

[upper galleon]

Ep or warp charges?

[severe folio]

i forgot what is kineteic flayer

[upper galleon]

Lol what

[mighty cipher]

Flayer is funny as fuck but dear god leave it behind if you’re optimizing

[upper galleon]

Are you pc slandering?

[tame venture]

brein burst that activates on any damage

[nocturne dust]

dodge sliding: exists

[upper galleon]

PC is amazing

[severe folio]

im wildfire slandering

[tame venture]

love me 'puter

[upper galleon]

15 second cd and pops on walkers

[upper galleon]

Then why bring up pc as if it’s weak too lol

[tame venture]

at least it kills thingsd :^)

[nocturne dust]

Even if you can't slide your way to the sniper, you absolutely can use BB to take care of them without KR. KR doesn't really make BB that much more useful, you should only be occasionally pulling BB out.

[severe folio]

you are the one who brought it up

[upper galleon]

Yes because they sync well together

[severe folio]

eh

PC is strong but wildfire

synch well idk

[upper galleon]

Ultra dense maps means more pc procs which means more wildfire

Wildfire is padding

And it’s good padding

[mighty cipher]

Oh yeah, lemme dodge slide the 2000rpm worth of shots where a single frame outside of dodge frames means instant obliteration.

[upper galleon]

It’s not about the first spread it’s about every spread

[nocturne dust]

You're cooked either way then if you're relying on only BB, lmao

[upper galleon]

I mean if im going KR im going EP

[nocturne dust]

KR won't change that situation

[upper galleon]

If im playing around purge and warp charges ehh, i dont remember my exact pathing

[severe folio]

what do you mean by every spread

[tame venture]

anyway i like taking KF because it's funny, and it does something without actively using the ability

after all, gamblecore is the peak of game builds

[nocturne dust]

If you want the funny, use Charged Strike because it'll be funny how useless it is

[upper galleon]

Wildfire can keep proccing on enemies

[severe folio]

yeah but its only like

1 stack of flame unless you are still flaming on them

[upper galleon]

Over a period of time because of enemies dying, cf and pc putting new stacks in the pool

It’s not ever just one stack tho

[nocturne dust]

No, no, it's 1.

Fatshark Wildfire is awful, plz buff

[upper galleon]

Enemy that is just outside your purge range catches stacks, all the enemies in your creeping flame, all enemies near pc targets

[upper galleon]

No

Not that part

[severe folio]

i believe if there are enemy with only 1 flame stack dying next to an enemy that also only have 1 stack

[upper galleon]

It’s 1 stack

[severe folio]

that enemy wont get any extra stack do they

[upper galleon]

But it’s never one proc

[nocturne dust]

Ssshhhh it's 1. Only 1. Fatshark should buff.

[upper galleon]

Wildfire keeps fuckin spreadin the more sources you throw in

[severe folio]

you keep conflicting on this

[nocturne dust]

Illisi flame build when

[severe folio]

you keep saying wildfire will keep spreading the more source you throw in

but you also say it will keep spreading when you are not flaming

so which one is it actually gonna benefit

[upper galleon]

Cause u mean purge

[nocturne dust]

....both can be true

lmao

[severe folio]

becuase i know unless you are flaming nonstop, wildfire isnt going to get higher

[nocturne dust]

they in no way conflict

[upper galleon]

What

[severe folio]

isnt it ?

[upper galleon]

You should be CF constantly

[nocturne dust]

They're cooked

[upper galleon]

Outskirts of purge range will get stacks from wildfire, enemies near pc will get fire, creeping flames gives fires

[severe folio]

i guess that would make enemies with 6 stacks appear very often on a horde

but at the end of the day those wildfire stack may be more damage on the board. but arent they kind of useless anyway

[upper galleon]

Odds are things are going to start dying about the time the 2nd wildfire wave comes through

[severe folio]

because sure, they sap enemy health down, but its not at any health threshold to change any hit count

[upper galleon]

If everything has less hp thats better for you and your team

[nocturne dust]

It changes purgatus hit count, so you're wrong

[mighty cipher]

Keep in mind that your picking fucking wildfire over something that makes BR a really good ranged option that lets you take out ranged enemies efficiency and shred bosses yourself rather than NEEDING to rely on your team. A small amount of extra damage compare to straight autonomy. EP is better sure but it’s a whole ass keystone so it better be.

[severe folio]

you still prob gonna 1 shot them with or without those wildfire stack, and the one that still require 2-3 hit still require 2-3 hit

[upper galleon]

Im not picking wf over kr

[nocturne dust]

BR
a really good ranged option

Funny joke

[upper galleon]

But wf improves your pc procs from br anyways

[severe folio]

well that, that is talking about when enemies are in purgatus range, which isnt really a benefit for wildfire isn't it, because purg can apply a lot more soulblaze than wildfire if the enemy is in purg range

you kick start enemy with lets say 4 stacks, purg can apply 4 stacks in less than a second

[quartz barn]

Welcome to the daily "wildfire is actually good" discussion

[severe folio]

so at that point wildfire is useless inside purg range

[upper galleon]

Except to the sides

[nocturne dust]

😭

[severe folio]

what do you mean by to the side

do you not flame enemy all around you with the purg

[upper galleon]

Unless you are in a chokepoint there is always going to be an enemy to the right or left

[severe folio]

but even the side is in purg range is it not

[upper galleon]

Do you get 16 stacks in 360?

[quartz barn]

💢

[upper galleon]

sorry then

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/despair-suffer-suffering-sad-sad-quotes-gif-14270258133567956444

[upper galleon]

I will max my sensitivity

[severe folio]

im pretty sure by the time i have to turn to the side, one enemy horde is already dead

and even if they arent, the purg push them back right ?

[nocturne dust]

Aight, don't use wildfire if you're so against it.

[severe folio]

i guess so

[nocturne dust]

Like, we're just repeating the same discussion here and you're not listening, so don't listen. Lol.

[severe folio]

idk which part you mean im not listening

if im not listening how would i say anythin back

[upper galleon]

It’s noticeable when i get less cheeky elite kills from enemies outside of my normal purge range

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/by-the-nine-im-tweaking-by-the-nine-im-tweaking-signalis-signalis-game-gif-14031434859351507230

[nocturne dust]

You're repeating points already pointed out as problematic and incorrect.

Also, you can absolutely not listen and talk back. People do it all the time, lol.

[severe folio]

how do you kill elite enemy outside your range with just 4 stacks

[upper galleon]

With creeping flames xd

Like i said a million times

[tame venture]

with the power of my mind!

[nocturne dust]

Don't sibling, it's not worth it sibling

[severe folio]

then isnt that a creeping flame thing and not a wildfire thing

i guess you can say you wait until they got hit by wildfire and then CF them but

[upper galleon]

There is spots on throneside and a few other maps where ranged enemies are spaced perfectly out of your purge range but not far enough for wildfire to avoid them

[severe folio]

i see

[upper galleon]

Because chain killing trash mobs feeds stacks back to the other elites and if that repeats enough i get more

And wildfire makes it more common

[severe folio]

yeah but if you hit them with CF first your wildfire is not gonna put soulblaze on those enemy that got hit with CF right ?

[upper galleon]

Stacks expire especially if you are focusing on the melee infront of you

Stacks that expire can be refreshed

And trash shooters are great at being vectors

[severe folio]

i see

[atomic swan]

good sniping tool
its good to catch trappers, dogs that zigzaging
or the sinper who only shows his forehead

[severe folio]

wait hold on

[nocturne dust]

You know what else is good at catching trappers and dogs?

Purgatus

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-ballin-snowboard-gif-8914211165289549742

[severe folio]

an enemy that got wildfired with 4 stacks, can their stack be refreshed right away or do they have to lose those 4 stacks

[radiant lance]

Most important Electro staff stats?

[upper galleon]

I need to sleep

[upper galleon]

Just dump warp resistance pretty sure

[nocturne dust]

uh

[upper galleon]

warp res only matters most for m1, it’s really minor for m2

[atomic swan]

yeah they always coming to you

fine

[radiant lance]

Awsome, thanks mate

[upper galleon]

Plus you want warp high so you benefit from warp rider

[severe folio]

warp rider

[mighty cipher]

I’ve been using Purg/BR for most of my playtime on the game and it’s actually just a skill issue if you think it’s shit at this point. Just because it’s not gamebreakingly stupid doesn’t mean that it’s bad. KR obviously isn’t as good as EP but you’re comparing a keystone to 1*(One)* point. It’s also not going to outcompete some addy’d up 10k hours on aimlabs zealot with throwing knives or a boltgun, but it’s literally free outside of peril costs. It’d be problematic if it did.

[severe folio]

oh there it is

i was wondering where is the skill that scale damage base on peril

[radiant lance]

Same for other staves?

[nocturne dust]

It's not free because I'm trading away wildifre, which is neat and flamey

and you literally should only pull out BB for snipers, investment in it is a waste. It doesn't need KR for snipers.

Especially since, y'know, you could be wasting your ability

[severe folio]

now youre just being comical

KR is pretty weird though

[spiral storm]

I still hate that brainburst was renamed to brain rupture

[mighty cipher]

Wasting your ability
Warp Syphon+Shriek

Your wasting your ability if your aren’t firing it off cooldown

[spiral storm]

I like having kinetic resonance for groups of crushers

[severe folio]

i would prefer brain geyser

[nocturne dust]

or, y'know, it's a low intensity spot and all you're dealing with is snipers...

[spiral storm]

not the most impactful thing but

it's better than being close to useless when there is a group of crushers

[mighty cipher]

Now that’s a funny joke given the state of the director at this point.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sword-the-sword-knight-knights-guild-cornucopias-gif-26118955

[severe folio]

should you try and use that force sword when theres a pack of them

[spiral storm]

especially since trying to melee the crushers can end with you getting insta-downed if your teammates are also doing meleeing them

and you're unlucky and dodge into an overhead

[severe folio]

yeah that

[mighty cipher]

When the fuck was the last time it was just a couple snipers and nothing else outside of you having just cleared out a horde.

[severe folio]

unless you mean you want to deal with them from far away

[spiral storm]

Meleeing crushers with a force sword is easy, don't get me wrong

[severe folio]

which, idk if KR will even be fast enough to deal with them until they arent a threat

[spiral storm]

it's just that I don't trust my teammates

[severe folio]

oh

[nocturne dust]

Happens at least once a day that I'm just fighting a couple specials for a bit. Normally more. This is on auric.

[spiral storm]

I've been unlucky and dodged into an overhead smash from one

that wasn't aimed at me

[severe folio]

i see

[spiral storm]

purely because 2-3 of us are also meleeing the crusher group

[severe folio]

still, will KR be enough to spare you from being rushed by them

or spare you from being rushed by more of them

[radiant lance]

Important stats on each staff?

[spiral storm]

just lets me get faster pops to do a bit more damage when one spawns

while also keeping me safe

[radiant lance]

Quell speed probably isn't very important right?

[severe folio]

i think we have a pin of a steam site which detail about staff

[spiral storm]

i've also had some unfortunate moments where our team had nearly no ranged damage

so it's literally just me using BrainBurst on like 20 of trash shooters

[severe folio]

if theres only one spawn

then isnt that force sword a lot better than BB or KR

[spiral storm]

sorry, clearification

[severe folio]

wont have to worry about stray slam

[radiant lance]

Thanks, looking into it

[mighty cipher]

So you’re going to think that KR is useless because of something that happens once a day?

[spiral storm]

when I asid "one spawns" I meant when "one crusher group" spawns

[severe folio]

ah

yeah but

will that really save you

how much crusher would you kill in that group

2-3 ?

[nocturne dust]

No? My point is that KR isn't that useful and you can handle anything you need to without it.

[spiral storm]

yeah like 2

[severe folio]

that still isnt really save isnt it

with the remaining crushers

[spiral storm]

but it's more that I don't want to risk getting 1 shot by accidently dodging into an overhead

since usually someone else dives right in to melee them all

[severe folio]

i think if thats what you afraid of, the force sword stabber is prob a lot safer than the KR

[mighty cipher]

Agree to disagree because I doubt either of us are going to change our minds.

[severe folio]

because at least you wont have to worry about dodging them

meanwhile even if you have KR, you still have to dodge them

[spiral storm]

eeeh?

kinda

[severe folio]

yeah

[spiral storm]

sometimes yes sometimes no

sometimes the entire team starts backpedaling and no one charges at the crushers

so yeah I'm the slowest and have to still dodge because I'm charging BB

[severe folio]

does the crusher attack when theyre behind each other

[spiral storm]

other times someone runs in and attacks the crushers so they're all focused on him

[tame venture]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-meme-minor-disagreement-ember-prime-gif-25597566

chat

[spiral storm]

and I never have to dodge

[severe folio]

both situation seem still sound like the force sword is a better option

[spiral storm]

probably

but I mean

I don't usually use BB unless I'm running purgatus

and purgatus is fun but

empowered psionics + smite kinda makes purgatus irrelevant

[severe folio]

what range weapon do you use when you go smite psionic

[quartz barn]

This is my issue with purg as well

[spiral storm]

surge

[quartz barn]

Just kinda gets overshadowed by everything else

[severe folio]

i cant really deny smite psionic is a lot better than purg

[spiral storm]

surge purely because it requires less brainpower

Don't need to aim

[severe folio]

do you psionic BB

[spiral storm]

nah

[severe folio]

why not

[spiral storm]

I run warp siphon with BB

not optimal

[severe folio]

oh

[spiral storm]

but I like it because it's basically the old build when game first dropped

[upper sun]

warp siphon BB is fine tbh

[mighty cipher]

Yeah

[severe folio]

yeah

[bitter grove]

Warp Siphon is just solid no matter what

[severe folio]

its basically the only build

[upper sun]

1 warp charges gives you a BP on dogs at low peril

[severe folio]

back then

[spiral storm]

burn stuff
use Vent
Fast BB
Burn stuff for more siphons

[severe folio]

it would be nice if BB stun the enemy a bit longer

[fading galleon]

@zinc ether Ceaseless barrage was nerfed by accident, fix is coming next patch

[mighty cipher]

BR usually oneshots dogs unless you have Resonance active starting from literally 0 peril. And if it doesn’t they have literally single digit HP.

[severe folio]

it would be really nice if BB just stun that one enemy for the whole casting duration

[upper sun]

caseless blaze away on gunlugger is gross

[fading galleon]

the bonus damage against staggered enemies component of the blessing was removed in patch 20 but they're adding it back

[spiral storm]

I would reaaaaaaaally like it if like

[upper sun]

ye i think it misses dogs by ~10 damage

[fading galleon]

so it will be gross once mroe

[upper sun]

it really bugs me

[spiral storm]

they changed BB + empowered to be

each stack of empowered

causes 2 more BBs to trigger on either the same or nearest elite or special enemy

so like

[zinc ether]

https://tenor.com/view/group-text-who-are-you-people-gif-5620388

[spiral storm]

So the fantasy would bel ike

[upper sun]

y-yes this needs more damage

[severe folio]

you mean basically the empowered BB would turn BB into an aoe

[spiral storm]

you have 3 stacks of empowered
You pop one head
Then more another head pops then another

like it's spreading between people

[fading galleon]

what

[severe folio]

i think i would rather it pop one enemy and that enemy explode

[mighty cipher]

No, it’s literally this one situation where it doesn’t kill. I’ve hit it a few times and I want to ”CoCA ColA ESPUMA” myself every time it happens.

[spiral storm]

would be cool

[severe folio]

because if it randomly pop another and thats just a walker

that would be KL shenanigan

[spiral storm]

nah it would like

prioritise elites or specials or whatever

[nocturne dust]

Kinetic Layer 👀

[upper sun]

ye happened to me like only once as well but still annoying

[severe folio]

that would be reaaaly nice

hey, what is this Crystalline Will thing

[zinc ether]

Why you are you bringing me in the spark'eads den like that.

I have performance anxiety.

[spiral storm]

dont' go down when you go over peril of warp limit

kinda useless if you just properly manage it

[severe folio]

make sense

but what if you intentionally keep blowing up

[upper sun]

so tru i always play worse with people from the discord

[nocturne dust]

Crystalline Will should make you explode like an ogryn grenade

[severe folio]

does the corruption just eventually kill you

[spiral storm]

Would be a fun meme build

[nocturne dust]

yes

[severe folio]

ah damn

i was hoping that you wouldnt die from the corruption

also theres this other thing i just read about KL

[mighty cipher]

Okay lemme reiterate how many things have to go wrong for it to not kill because it’s funny.

Dog has to be at full health
Just activated shriek
hit several enemies to get the peril cost reduction
Literally 0 peril
Leftclick lock on
Resonance Also needs to be active
Couple of -peril talents

Dog lives on literally single digit HP.
Bruh

[spiral storm]

just grab 3 curios with wounds

[upper sun]

"things said by erebus"

[spiral storm]

and play as a suicide bomber psyker

[severe folio]

this

i dont remember KL was like this before

[spiral storm]

it wasn't

[upper sun]

ye

[mighty cipher]

It wasn’t

[upper sun]

it no longer procs on trash

[mighty cipher]

Also it’s bugged lmao

[severe folio]

ah okay

[upper sun]

man

[spiral storm]

yeah I think it still procs on trash

[severe folio]

so it doesnt actually work like it said

[mighty cipher]

Still nukes poxwalkers

[severe folio]

ah okay

[upper sun]

i want a third upgrade for BB

[spiral storm]

bugged but

when it's working it will be fun