psyker-class

[halcyon gust]

Crafting any weapon before 30 is just a waste of time

[real current]

i am 30

doing damnations

[halcyon gust]

Welcome to the Casino

Hadron is your host

And Hadron Always wins

[upper sun]

this is just a small number of the weapons i bricked

[real current]

Gacha rolls more like

[tulip kettle]

to manage your expectations

[cloud sequoia]

if you want to get 1 "good/perfect" weapon you need atleast 10K-30K plasteel

[tulip kettle]

to roll a decent weapon, you are usually looking at around 1 million dockets and a few thousand plasteel

[cloud sequoia]

and 500k-1 million docket

[real current]

Is that even worth it?

[tulip kettle]

to get a perfect its 5million dockets and 10k plasteel

[upper sun]

in two months tho the crafting system is gonna get changed so i say keep everything and try to earn blessings

[tulip kettle]

i mean

[upper sun]

one blessing took me 55k plasteel

[real current]

Yeah, I guess that's the current idea.

[upper sun]

it was so fucking worth it but it was thrust on ironhelm

[real current]

thanks for the advice y'all

[upper sun]

np you're always welcome

[cloud sequoia]

im rich played since beta so yes its worth it, workable weapon just need 5K plasteel prob

[upper sun]

yeah i camped the store A LOT

[cloud sequoia]

be loot goblin in damnation, get 1K plasteel per mission

[upper sun]

i have a lot of good bases that almost always turn out workable to ok

[real current]

I don't like running off to loot in damns, makes it easy for psykers to get killed

[upper sun]

play zealot

[halcyon gust]

Most weapons I settle with "Good enough" and call it

[upper sun]

very safe looting

[real current]

one moment I'm looting a chest the next there's 3 crushers behind me

[upper sun]

the more you play the more you'll get a feel for the timing on of the game

[cloud sequoia]

its not like you need to loot 10 meters off from your teammate

[upper sun]

i just dodged this trapper and it ran away
it will come back in X amount of time

[tulip kettle]

I would look out for these things on psyker as the main ones :

deimos : 25% maniac, 25% flak, uncanny, shred/riposte

duelling sword 4 : 25% maniac, 25% unyielding, uncanny, shred/riposte

voidstrike : Surge, Warp nexus, 25% flak dmg, 5% crit strike chance

voidstrike : warp flurry, transfer peril, 25% flak, 35% maniac

trauma : warp nexus, blazing spirit, 5% crit chance, 25% flak

trauma : rending, warp flurry, 25% flak, 25% unyielding

columnus autogun : 25% flak, 25% unyielding, dumdum, fire frenzy

[halcyon gust]

Now comes the next trapper along with a flamer BF/GF

[upper sun]

my last game had like 9 in the same section i was so pissed

also is it just me or is sliding diagonally better than dodging trappers?

[halcyon gust]

I guess depends

[upper sun]

with larger distance at least

[tulip kettle]

all i know is i hear it on my left, i dodge backwards, it was actually behind me and i get trapped, WAY too often

[upper sun]

man idk im so inconsistent

some games i dodge trappers like im blessed by the emperor and some games i dodge into them 😭

[halcyon gust]

Made worse with a pox walker places itself in the perfect spot to deny your dodge

[tulip kettle]

the worst for me is when they come around the corner and you think you can stab it

[halcyon gust]

Whoops no dodge. Welcome to instant down!

[tulip kettle]

and you stab it AS it nets you

[upper sun]

dodging left always works

unless its a chaos spawn

[halcyon gust]

The number of times I got trapped MID attack animation is too damn high

[tulip kettle]

its dead but im in a net

cool game

[halcyon gust]

And your teammates is in corner fighting 2 pox walkers and a shooter while the horde is turning you into floor art

[tulip kettle]

man dont

[upper sun]

#darktide-pics-vids message posting it again

[tulip kettle]

i have got to 4/5 on storm survivor 3 times in the past 2 days

[halcyon gust]

The good old 4/5 curse

[halcyon gust]

That's just bullshit. 100%

[tulip kettle]

and every time i join into a game with 2 dead level 50s and a level 40 shooting his lasgun furiously into the horde in front of them

[halcyon gust]

You can see the net doing the Cartoon full stop. Turn around to face you and fly towards you

[upper sun]

yeah i started sliding seems to work a bit better at that distance

[tulip kettle]

idk

that is a feelsbad

but its also how the game works

you should have got netted there, and you did

[upper sun]

counterpoint: nuh uhh

[tulip kettle]

you dodged early and you know it :p

[halcyon gust]

There's time where you in reality you dodge it, but the game goes "Ummm Actually" and Dogs or traps you

[upper sun]

i will simply cope by bitching about ogryn dodges

besides tbh

2 months ago i was playing with 40 ping now i play with 80

im gonna cope more

[tulip kettle]

like i said its a feelsbad and really you shouldnt get netted in any logical situation

but with how they work, you cant dodge before the net shot sound or else they always hit you

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-seethe-copium-gif-4530870914968371816

me rn ^

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-be-taking-that-spongebob-patrick-star-robbery-burglar-gif-16207758

[hearty dagger]

So the new headphone cushions arrived

Almost an hour in, and i am remembering that I FUCKING HATE PUTTING ON HEADPHONE CUSHIONS.

[tulip kettle]

please fatshark, dont fuck me on this

[hearty dagger]

Best we can do is spawn you in front of 20 crushers with everyone dead

[hexed geyser]

What about gloriana starting event and 20 gunners down there?

[hearty dagger]

Nah too survivable

Dome shield+assail or any staff handles that

Reapers are a different story but too expensive

Also, after setting up the headset properly

It is still 100% disposal unit certified

[tulip kettle]

.KJLASDF GHILKJUYH

AGAIN!

back to 0/5

i hate this game

[radiant frigate]

you should stop caring about that penance

[tulip kettle]

but i want them all

theyre like pokemon

this is now 4 times in a row ive got to 4/5 then the 5th game just unwinnable

[haughty star]

nah people just gonna leave games till they got em lol

[tulip kettle]

you can leave? dont they have to be consecutive?

[haughty star]

nah that's why the auric board is so ass rn

if you go down just leave

[tulip kettle]

right but like just there

i am last guy al;ive

i am vs BoN and weakened spawn and horde

i just cant do it

[haughty star]

anyone you see with a ASS tag basically has probably just left a bunch of games

[tulip kettle]

i could have just left when i am still alive?

[haughty star]

and will leave because they're cheesing their way to exemplar

yes

[tulip kettle]

GDI

[radiant frigate]

no, not GDI

if you get it, cool, if you don't, also cool

the title has no meaning if you can cheese it by leaving

[upper sun]

i stopped caring about the malice when when i barreled myself at 14/15

game got a lot easier and more fun

[radiant frigate]

Real

[untold niche]

you are too late
the actual title isn't popular anymore (which im glad)

[radiant frigate]

my favorite title is no title

[untold niche]

Best title is reject

thematic

[radiant frigate]

i reject your titles

[untold niche]

this feels like something atlas would say

[lone fern]

what are the best builds that use assail

for its main weapon/ability

[analog agate]

Gunker

[radiant frigate]

gunker 🤢

[analog agate]

Gunker/melee psyker I should say

[upper sun]

nomad for zealot
lacky for vet
sage for psyker
no title for ogryn because they cant read

[lone fern]

any examples?

i never tried gunker before

[halcyon gust]

Fat shark: Dumps you into a server with the Potato squad ™️, Trapper is ready to spawn trap you, you join in at the last wound with a shit ton of corruption, and a Pox burster is already heading to your position

[upper sun]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9f9550-c494-4c72-8a46-8bf08cfa8ac0/gunker-8

something like this

dont @ me my build is peak

[analog agate]

Grond’s build which I liked

[upper sun]

actually crit aura

[analog agate]

He goes into it on the threads area

[upper sun]

oh but no one with the warp

🤔

nah forget what i said my build IS peak

[analog agate]

I looked at my build. This is it

[lone fern]

what curios and weapons for the gunpsyker

?

[halcyon gust]

+2 toughness and +3Stamina or a +2 health and +3Stamina or 1 of each

[tulip kettle]

i literally just got joined into a game

i am stood in fire

there is a guy in a net in fire in front of me

and 2 guys dead

[halcyon gust]

[tulip kettle]

ngl i clutched it and we won

but still fuck this game

[halcyon gust]

We love the 4/5 and 9/10 curse

[untold niche]

look at these xbox names

[haughty star]

xbox don't even have that game bro

[halcyon gust]

The names are very xbox-like

[untold niche]

thats not what i mean :v

just reminds me of 2010 xbox 360 type names you would see

[haughty star]

don't mind me

it's the autism

[untold niche]

including my own, but "KillerFrost360" takes the cake

[last siren]

hello can anyone help me with completing a penance?

[halcyon gust]

50% Monster damage wtih Brain rupture?

[last siren]

yes

[halcyon gust]

Expected

[haughty star]

just do the double wall shit

ez claps

[lone fern]

i cant keep up with malefic momentum
any tips or replcements

do i just kill 5 then switch to assail while using scrier's gaze?

[broken carbon]

use an illisi

[haughty star]

nooo lol you don't wanna use assail while in scriers

[broken carbon]

or a trauma staff

[haughty star]

unless you got ep

or a gun for that matter lol

i use recon and consume horde then switch

[upper galleon]

you don't use assail during Scrier's period, it is there to save gun ammo and use vs trash/horde

you'll blow yourself up

[haughty star]

nah scriers with EP assail darts can be absolutely bonkers my guy

0 percent peril and all that crit/finesse bonus from scriers makes those 3 darts as if not more effective than a whole cluster of em

[upper galleon]

only 0 peril for EP charged ones

which you get at most 3 stacks

nah

[upper galleon]

just go vent at that point so you can actually use assail

yea and you don't throw just 3 darts, you want to fire and forget the whole damn hive of angry bees

sure if you have 3 EP stacks, you can swap and spend those 3, but then you should swap back immediately cause any non EP ones is going to kill your peril economy

[broken carbon]

u can if ur using them to build true aim

[haughty star]

yee but those 3 darts in scriers can be as effective as a whole 10 without is all i'm saying

[upper galleon]

only need to build true aim if you aren't using an automatic

[haughty star]

plus if you get elite and special kills you can spam em lol

[upper galleon]

and won't you risk consuming true aim with assail? since it cleaves?

[haughty star]

assail ep with scriers isn't a bad grab lol

yes vent and dd are probably better all around but

[thorn cedar]

i think youre misunderstanding some interactions

[haughty star]

it's not a bad strat

[thorn cedar]

assail can stack true aim, it will also consume it on throw, it will not 'waste it' on a cleave otherwise

[haughty star]

oh him not me lol

i was boutta pop off mf

[thorn cedar]

ep is regained on elite kills, three are free

you blow up elites with your stupidly buffed shards

they become literally bottomless against shotgunners and gunners

[haughty star]

they seem like one of them ones you ain't gonna change their mind lol

[thorn cedar]

there is no risk unless you are making zero attempt to manage your resources and are just click spamming

[broken carbon]

i need to run ep again

[haughty star]

it's kinda fun but all around i like running dd better now that that's not dog ass

[broken carbon]

same

[thorn cedar]

I still prefer DD for the simple reason that it does more than just buff one small part of my kit

[broken carbon]

i’ve been running dd constantly

[haughty star]

yeah. it smally buffs the rest of your kit too lol

[broken carbon]

i almost got a million damage with it

(balanced)

[thorn cedar]

the buffs arent even that small tbh lol

[haughty star]

psyker is underpowered pls buff more

[broken carbon]

please let me just one shot everything

oh

wait

[lethal lagoon]

[broken carbon]

we already do

[haughty star]

except bosses

welllp

time to do ogryn shit

just got done doing my least favorite char (vet) contracts now all i'm left with is my poor oggy

[lone fern]

Any video tutorial for it so i can understand it

[haughty star]

basically just use assail anywhere where melee gets to be too much for your ds4 for starters

[upper sun]

best advice for this game is to do it yourself and keep fucking up until you stop fucking up

there are videos that explain some stuff like parrying or blocking/clear/combos but not much stuff on actual mechanics

[lone fern]

Any video tutorial for it so i can understand it

[haughty star]

no

[lone fern]

My internet was acting weird so it sent the message twice

My bad

[strong gulch]

You can watch gameplay of someone weaving assail and non warp attacks. This is @near wyvern's channel. Look for any "psylot" videos and you'll find more.

This one has a section that focuses on the mk 6 knife, but it's still relevant.
https://youtu.be/mY2jlkkG5Cw?si=oO-IJIYz4xLPCkMC

[stiff falcon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/RzCkUBqeJo

How is that fighting lol

[untold niche]

General tips: #zealot-class message

Also, send your build. Could be build issue as well

[untold niche]

(EP?) Smite + voc vet, that is likely not on auric.
But at least he is enjoying the game

He shot like 10 bruisers and 1 mutie

Dropped down to nade a bulwark then went on to play kovaak

[lone fern]

I stole the build that grond posted on the builds thread
Iam just confused on how it works

[broken carbon]

it’s also a measure of experience, even if you know all of those things, chaining them together fluidly and knowing when to do what takes a ton of muscle memory

[broken carbon]

seeend it

[untold niche]

I don't think so. As in I don't think it's a ton of muscle memory. But I would agree if you are totally new there would be some disconnect between reading the text and doing it yeah.

[broken carbon]

how many hours do you have on darktide?

[halcyon gust]

And remaining calm when shit Hits the fan

Because oh boy

[broken carbon]

i’ve got like, 900ish

[halcyon gust]

It'll HIT the fan

[broken carbon]

and it’s a lot of muscle memory

[untold niche]

Iike below 400. But I wrote that when I had like 80 hours in

[broken carbon]

namely reacting to sound cues

[halcyon gust]

I have 700+ Hours of DT

[lone fern]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1158835513789272126/1256654930861883472/image.png?ex=66a6789b&is=66a5271b&hm=d2565587419d42a157337cdbb9f390dc5993fa8cd43075dbfb8c8d7aa437c285&

[broken carbon]

epic embed fail

dm me it

i’ll post it for you

[halcyon gust]

Laugh at the user

[broken carbon]

@lone fern build

[lone fern]

Laugh at that heretic

[untold niche]

This gunker build?

Iirc gaze right > gaze left
Who's vuild is this originally

[broken carbon]

yeah gaze right is much better

[untold niche]

Ya I post that 6 months ago, that's definitely when I had around 80 hours in

[broken carbon]

yeah

[upper sun]

do not bully the malice people

[untold niche]

KOVAAK GAMINGGGG

[broken carbon]

i will

[untold niche]

KO-

[stiff falcon]

No

[untold niche]

Tbh the only real sound ques you need to listen out for are pretty distinct anyway. And it's a simple action follow up, don't have to think about anything. ( talking about dog and trapper)

Kill priority is pretty natural. Like what fucks you up the most = make you scared. = kill firs5

[lone fern]

so i just spend my assail to raise peril then use scrier and just gun it?

[untold niche]

Dorn why aren't you replying to my reply

[untold niche]

Nah you want to be zero peril when you pop gaze so it will last longer.
What are your weapons? Ds4 and revolver?

[lone fern]

i still dont know what weapons are good
so i am open to suggestions

and curios

[broken carbon]

for gun, try the columnus autogun

[untold niche]

I feel with gunker, choose your weapons first then tune your loadout.

1 sec lemme look at the builds in the build trhead

Ah that build is by grond

Uh

Any gunker main please give standard build

[lone fern]

i just want to use assail as my main damage
so i was recommended guns

[untold niche]

Ohhhh

[tulip kettle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9a225f-b78f-45a2-bf95-a37ee1ae1b9b/standard-gunker?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

this is by no means absolutely tuned and there are many things that are down to preference

but this is a good place to start

[untold niche]

He says he want to use assail for damage though

[tulip kettle]

right?

[ornate hamlet]

we up all night to get gunky

[tulip kettle]

so you think he should go EP instead

but DD is equivalent

in a different way

and like i said its a base

anyway

[untold niche]

Ok you have help now mr lorerat

[ornate hamlet]

That gunky is almost what I use

[untold niche]

I'm going to go sl333p

I'm average player. If you can't get any help still or irs not sufficient

Just spam this channel

[tulip kettle]

but i would look for a gun that looks like that, and a talent tree that looks similar to that. melee is choice i prefer the DS4 i made this for someone else

[untold niche]

Ask different people

[untold niche]

I know damage wise yeah, but I thought EP would feel better

[tulip kettle]

i think it feels worse honestly but thats just me

it depends on the difficulty you play

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly, EP assail feels like complete ass to me

[tulip kettle]

its good if you arent good at not getting hit

you get a lot of toughness out of it

[ornate hamlet]

It changes peril management and creates a larger rift between your buffed and unbuffed assail

[tulip kettle]

facts

[ornate hamlet]

It also doesn't buff your weapons at all, which really stings

[tulip kettle]

DD build is the better way to learn IMO

you learn "dont assail during scriers"

which EP lets you fuck that up without realising and develop bad habits

[ornate hamlet]

I end up finding DD to be more consistent, even if the ability to not build peril as fast spamming assail is very nice on EP

[tulip kettle]

who cares about building it fast honestly

it ups at fast as it ups

[ornate hamlet]

This is my gamer tactics

[tulip kettle]

but anyway gunker is for sigma wizards

[ornate hamlet]

And these are my gamer tools

[tulip kettle]

lol ew

[lone fern]

so gunpsyker is also the best build to use only assail?

[ornate hamlet]

Well, "only" assail is a bad idea and you'll run out of ammo

[lone fern]

"mainly" assail?

[radiant frigate]

time to hang myself

epic blessing

[ornate hamlet]

If you wanna just kill hordes without aiming much, you can use purgatus and shriek

I'm not sure how it does for "mainly" assail because I never really played like that to notice, tbh

[lone fern]

with DD?

[strong gulch]

You'll be assailing a lot; but you can't main assail like you used to.

You can pair assail with staves too.

If you want to run DD and have a staff make great use of it, you can do an assail + voidstrike (aka void) build.

[lone fern]

gonna run with voidstrike

this is me attempting to use all my brain cells

i still have 5 points left

[strong gulch]

You are on the right track.

[lone fern]

2 toughness + health curios and a illisa sword?

i dont like the "stuck in flesh" animation of the deimos

[strong gulch]

Another option is to drop the last keystone node (Cruel Fortune) and take Puppet Master.

[lone fern]

as i dont know what weakspots are
i will do that

[strong gulch]

Main damage of deimos comes from the heavy 2. Generally, the deimos special is skipped.

[ornate hamlet]

I remember when the chest and pants of this costed less than the pants

Thank you Fatshark, I am a proud supporter of small indie studio

[lone fern]

are 2 toughness + 1 health curio the corect amount?

[strong gulch]

Curios are largely personal preference and playstyle. Puppet master + 2 toughness curios are a great match. A single 21% health curio with sniper resist helps a lot when you end up just eating a shot.

What works for you know may need to be altered as you develop your play style and are less vulnerable to certain things.

There is a guide in the pins called the Atheneum that has info curios, but you can also look up older covos.

[broken carbon]

get rid of shard regen and take empathatic evasion

[strong gulch]

Here is such a convo. #psyker-class message

The guide in the pins does make certain assumptions that might not line up with what you're current able or wanting to do. So keep that in mind.

[quartz barn]

just get the mod where you can style your own clothes instead of buying fatshark coins

idk what its called tho, all i know is that the shirtless mod is bannable

[strong gulch]

Weak spots are usually heads. The beast of nurggle's (aka bonbon) weak spot is the pimple on the back.

In the meat grinder when you deal damage, it's the yellow numbers. Orange are crits.

[broken carbon]

why would you take puppet master

[long wharf]

Especially with assail hitting weak spots so readily

[eager horizon]

I would like there to be more enemies with alternate weakspots. Like maybe the flamer's tanks? And if they explode they leave a circle of fire like a bomber or barrel do.

[long wharf]

Put that last point back into DD

[rich spindle]

I typically skip the coherency radius thing

[halcyon gust]

You take it on the way on to getting Warp Siphon

[ornate hamlet]

I just jump over it

[pure adder]

how exactly does empathic evasion work? can you just not get hit by ranged attacks?

[ornate hamlet]

Yep

You crit and you get full ranged attack immunity

[tulip kettle]

does it... work?

[strong gulch]

Easier to link coherency auras together. You don't have to play as tightly together.

Also, if you want to feck with zealots trying to get that loner penance. 🥲

[tulip kettle]

it was always bugged before and dint do anything

[strong gulch]

I'm not aware of it being bugged.

[tulip kettle]

up until march of this year it wasnt functional

idk about updates after that

[strong gulch]

I don't remember it ever being bugged.

Maybe it was or you are remembering something else that was bugged.

So many bugs tbh.

[radiant frigate]

i do not like puppet master

not much value in that imo

[late night]

Ordo docket is best curio

[strong gulch]

I personally get value out of puppet master.

[upper sun]

i dont go warp siphon unless im forced tbh

[strong gulch]

At the very least, WS is point hungry. I don't like that.

[broken carbon]

coherency isnt really that good

its a little bit of toughness regen

thats it

[broken carbon]

how

[upper sun]

I have a question tbh

does collateral as a state do anything?

[broken carbon]

stat?

yes

[upper sun]

i tried weapons that have 60 vs ones that have 80

enemies still stagger the same

[broken carbon]

it’s noticeable on the recon lad

las

[upper sun]

is it one of those where it only matters if its 0 vs 80

mostly brauto and bolter

[broken carbon]

higher collat lets you stagger ragers out of combos

[halcyon gust]

And teammate auras. Which can benefit you depending on build

[upper sun]

🤔 u sure it wont be the same on a weapon with 20% less?

[broken carbon]

yeah but most auras aren’t really noticeable

[broken carbon]

fairly certain

[halcyon gust]

Fair nuff.

[upper sun]

:thonking:

[broken carbon]

you could go an entire match with coherency turned off

and probably wouldn’t even notice

except with like

survivalist

[upper sun]

coherency wont help you when ur team is dead

[halcyon gust]

Survivalist you're gonna notice unless you're playing as Staff Psyker

[upper sun]

nah not anymore

[broken carbon]

yes that’s why i said except

[pure adder]

you could also play an entire match with some small talents turned off and you woudnt notice...

[upper sun]

i dont even notice survivalist

[pure adder]

its have or not have

[upper sun]

after the nerf

woah 1 ammo

thanks vet

[halcyon gust]

1 ammo is a lot for some weapons

[broken carbon]

the point im making is that puppet master is a wasted talent point when there’s a other, significantly better options

[upper sun]

except it a percentage that rounds down now

[strong gulch]

If I'm already maintaining stacks, dropping the last DD node is fine. It's a personal damage vs some team focus shit.

I play with my partner a lot and I don't play optimally; so those games might not apply the best to pubs in regard to puppet master.

But also, convos like this on puppet master have already been had. It seems like it's more or less gonna be the same here, and that's ok.

[halcyon gust]

Well more "Stored" until you can get 1 ammo

[upper sun]

yeah lemme just wait for the vet to kill 5 elites so i can get one rumbler charge

oh wait the peegun vet died and left the game 😭

[halcyon gust]

Why I tend to bias towards naturally ammo efficient weapons or weapons I only really use sparely

Like the Kickback on Ogryn, Staffs on Psykers, and Las guns on Vet

[upper sun]

eh i've rarely had ammo problems

except when the game decides to throw several packs of crushers at me in a row when im running bolter

mag dump go brrrr

look at this baby and tell me you dont wanna feed it crushers

[halcyon gust]

Only time I run into Ammo issue is if I use the Kickback a lot as Ogryn or I actually burn through my Las ammo from all the elite and specials and the Fucking storm trooper gunKer vacuumed up all the ammo within a 5 mile radius

[upper sun]

ive never had ammo problems on kickback but again i run it with rock

so no need for far shots

[halcyon gust]

Rock is my main long range option

Kickback is chipping at hordes, dealing wtih specials and elites in a pinch, or knocking down gunners and specials to follow up with a rock

[buoyant maple]

Decimals are still kept

[upper sun]

idk even then kickback isnt something you use very often it does a lot of damage on one hit

you can knock back a gunner and walk up to them

[radiant frigate]

kickback makes me wonder why i brought a ranged weapon

[halcyon gust]

Again depends on context. Lot of times I have something more important than bonking that gunner

[upper sun]

btw on bolter if you just use it for crusher whats better pinning fire or calv?

[buoyant maple]

Why not both

If ur goal is to magdump

[halcyon gust]

Pinning. You can get some stacks from fodder enemies around and then go ham on the crusher Ball

[upper sun]

because im locked to shattering impact

[buoyant maple]

Too bad

Take pinning fire ig

[upper sun]

[haughty star]

I like warp siphon. It's point hungry but it's also triple faceted

Adds warp resist, damage, and ability cdr to the build it should cost a Lil more otherwise Noone would take anything else lol

[halcyon gust]

Warp Siphon is great and really good as a general use keystone

[near drift]

If they made warp siphon only have two extra nodes in depth, make 6 stacks the base and made the consume charge for CDR part an optional node then I would consider using it more than not at all

[fiery wigeon]

warp siphon is a bit point hungry but its also very consistent

and very universal

its not as much raw damage as disrupt destiny, but it is far more reliable

[long wharf]

I haven't found DD to be unreliable at all

at least, not since its rework

[fair jungle]

got a lucky drop, what should I change to make it work?

or should it go into the trash?

[long wharf]

there's nothing wrong with playing with it

you're boned on the perks

you could just hold onto it for the crafting update later this year

[patent jacinth]

That dumped stopping power is also kind of lame

You should probably just look for something better

[long wharf]

I'd just strip infernus off, since you clearly don't have it unlocked yet

[hardy flower]

What sort of perks are we running on void/surge

[long wharf]

there's generally two ways people play void - transfer peril + warp flurry, warp nexus + surge

there's only one way to play surge - warp nexus + warp flurry

[midnight hull]

And if you cant get surge on void staff, flurry is good too. Some prefer it even. Me included. Since surge is kinda rare.

[long wharf]

you used to be able to stagger-lock bosses with void staff with surge

can't do that any more

[midnight hull]

Kinda like with ogryn back in the day?

[long wharf]

ogryn still can, with the right setup

[midnight hull]

So whats the catch?

[upper galleon]

you can go flurry+surge with true aim talent

(or transfer technically but the dps from flurry+surge with true aim is the best)

[stiff falcon]

Trash

[midnight hull]

change perks to something like flak dmg, and crit , and its okay

[lethal lagoon]

Completely bricked

If that was the mk2 you'd have 1/4, but you are at 0/4

[wicked canyon]

Tips for gun psyker? I can't seem to figure it out. What I've tried so far feels like it's worth less than 50% of all other loadouts, and I've just gone through all the penances except the ones for Scryer's Gaze and Disrupt Destiny.

[jovial juniper]

Full auto

Assail for economizing ammo

Don't tunnel vision the blue guy

[spice veldt]

kill the blue men

[lethal lagoon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1158835513789272126/1256654937241419815

[strong gulch]

Gotta chase the stack man. It's the only thing my brain lets me do.

[lethal lagoon]

Me when I see ammo and my teammates are all on red

[supple dock]

me when I have full ammo but 1 missing knife

[lethal lagoon]

I'm not mad at you wasting ammo for knives.
I'm mad at you for getting netted while picking up ammo, and then wasting all of it when you die.

[supple dock]

You know me too well 🥲

[lethal lagoon]

It's alright buddy

[steep rivet]

WHATS THE BEST BLESSINGS ON TRAUMA STAFF???

[mental rock]

WHY ARE YOU YELLING???

[lethal lagoon]

HE CAN"T HEAR AFTER USING TRAUMA TOO CLOSE TO HIS EARS

[broken carbon]

WHY ARE WE YELLING???

[steep rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/tutter-tutter-the-mouse-bear-in-the-big-blue-house-bitbbh-mouse-gif-15132844508548715660

[strong gulch]

BLAZE TRAUMA: FLAK + CRIT CHANCE AND BLAZING SPIRIT + NEXUS

REND TRAUMA: FLAK + MANIAC / CARA AND FLURRY + RENDING SHOCKWAVE

[steep rivet]

LF3M 5min AURIC MAELSTROMS. XP AND DOCKET FARM.

[jovial juniper]

I WAS ABOUT TO YELL THAT

[ornate hamlet]

BUYING GF

[strong gulch]

BEAR IN THE BIG BLUE HOUSE

[restive ice]

POST THIS ON YOUR WALL IF YOU DIED IN VIET NAM

[jovial juniper]

I'M INTO FAT BITCHES

[ornate hamlet]

THIS IS THE WATER, AND THIS IS THE WELL

[azure bridge]

wtf have i walked in on?

[fiery wigeon]

whats the best dueling sword/what are the strengths and weaknesses among the dueling swords

[jovial juniper]

The best one is the mk 2 4

With the exception of a strikedown on the Mk5, they share the lights

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-brick-loudnoises-yelling-arguing-gif-3529701

[lethal lagoon]

When your finesse is that low, it's easy to catch crabs on your beach.

[fiery wigeon]

alright

[lyric burrow]

yeah mk4 is best and then id probably say mk2 is next

mk4 mainly just gets to loop the high damage heavies for free

whereas mk2 doesnt get too as much although h2 is still fine thanks to uncanny

mk5 is fine too but lowest damage in exchange for best mobility

mk5 gets a decent light 3 as well

[strong gulch]

The mk 2 heavy 1 is now in line with the mk 4 heavies at least.

[lyric burrow]

yeah you just dont get the same high damage heavy for h2

h2 is still fine but DPS loss

can also do H1 special

cause that loops really fast

is a nice sweep though

[strong gulch]

sure don't, but that's fine.

If the mk H2 had the same damage as the mk 4 heavies, that'd be absurd

ye

[lyric burrow]

well yeah but its just the reason id put mk4 over mk2

less of a gap than it used to be

[strong gulch]

yip

less fussy

[jovial juniper]

You see
Mk2 and 4 share the lights, the special and the H1 (thx machine update)
The Mk2 has 4 lights while the Mk4 has 3

The Mk2 also has a lot of cleave on the h2

You can L1 into H2 for hordes

H1 into special for single target

So what I'm trying to say is that the Mk2 is an all arounder

And a good one

Add rampage and hoo boy

[strong gulch]

The mk 2 light pattern is different than the mk 4.

I dig both.

[stiff falcon]

@upper sun do I go for 15 mil dockets today

[jovial juniper]

If only they linked the PA to the H2 on the mk2

[lyric burrow]

mk2 is my fav for sure

[ornate hamlet]

I heard uh dueling sword

I am under strong impression that the DS2 has faster light attacks than the DS4

[fiery wigeon]

guess im gonna be tryin this thing then huh

[ornate hamlet]

aye

[fiery wigeon]

certainly not a bad start

[ornate hamlet]

I was actually going to suggest carapace and maniacs

I'd change both blessings and do riposte/uncanny

Since that's essentially what I'm running this exact second

The increased light attack speed with riposte and DD is already good for hordes

[strong gulch]

Shred is also good. Depends on play style and preference between shred and riposte. Both are worthwhile.

[fiery wigeon]

shred is especially nice cuz im on disrupt destiny atm

milk that +30% crit damage

the only blessing i have earned atm is shred 4 so ill grind that out a bit before messing with it

precog is most probably getting swapped

whats rending

[fiery wigeon]

ok looking at riposte on the build editor thats def an easier requirement to meet

than shred

[ornate hamlet]

I stopped using shred after I realized I didn't want carpal tunnel and started using the keep swinging mod

So it became inevitable to hit ragdolls instead of living enemies and shred was easier to drop

[fiery wigeon]

whats rending

[strong gulch]

Armor penetration.

Brittle is rending but all players benefit from it.

[fiery wigeon]

ic

[ornate hamlet]

OKAY SO BASICALLY

Let's say your weapon has an attack that deals 60% damage to carapace

If you have 20% rending, that damage becomes 80%

Once you have 100% damage to a specific armor type, the excess rending is converted to damage at a rate of 4 to 1

So if you deal 40% to carapace and gain 100% rending, 60% rending will go to the armor penetration and the remaining 40% will be divided by 4 and turned into damage, AKA 10% more damage on top of the full damage you're dealing

[fiery wigeon]

neat

[strong gulch]

And yeah, if you miss or hit a dead body you drop shred. So long as you can keep swinging at live things, you can keep shred up. Miss and bye bye.

But if you can't / don't dodge or you interrupt enemies, then you don't get the riposte buff.

Edit to say this thing I said is WRONG -- >You also have to wait for it fall off before you can refresh it.

[fiery wigeon]

huh

[ornate hamlet]

I think riposte can be refreshed, but admittedly I never actually checked

[fiery wigeon]

well theres pretty consistently always some ranged fucker targeting me

[strong gulch]

Edit: You right!

WRONG --> Gotta wait for it to time out 🚫

[ornate hamlet]

I was playing crusher zealot today before work and trying to proc duelist was a fucking nightmare

[fiery wigeon]

thats annoying

[ornate hamlet]

Turns out if I stagger everything in front of me, I have no attacks to dodge

[fiery wigeon]

lmao

i never have issues with having to dodge attacks

[rich jolt]

Whatchu starin @

[fiery wigeon]

the random scab sneaking up behind me while im slashing thems buddies

[strong gulch]

I just checked in the meat grinder. It now refreshes. IDK when that was changed. That's a buff. 🙏

[fiery wigeon]

oh that makes it much nicer

ok im on the riposte train then

6 seconds is a hell of a grace period for not dodging while youre in melee combat of all things

[rich jolt]

Riposte is amazing

Use it on my dueling sword for scriers

[ornate hamlet]

based

[rich jolt]

Gunker sweep

[fiery wigeon]

who needs gunker when you can just bladeker

[rich jolt]

I end up having my sword out 90% of the time

Take out revolver for anything mildly threatening

Or bb

[fiery wigeon]

ive got a recon lasgun atm but i havent really put much thought into that

considering my heavy and specials have been onetapping damn near everything im tempted to just slot voidstrike lmao

[rich jolt]

I bet recon fucks hard with infernus and crit build

Blue and red fire everywhere

[strong gulch]

it do

[fiery wigeon]

f i r e

[strong gulch]

the 6 with infurnus and EE

[rich jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-burning-hell-pain-gif-17379863

There idkw that one gif was messed up

[fiery wigeon]

well i do have this thing apparently

shit perk

[rich jolt]

Good roll

[fiery wigeon]

yeah

emperor's gift too

[rich jolt]

Everything will be unbricked after reworks

Fatshart has plans in motion

[fiery wigeon]

looking forward to that

is the shotgun worth looking at lol

[rich jolt]

Hacker?

[fiery wigeon]

never seems to be mentioned here

yeah

[rich jolt]

I reckon its alright

Alot of its downsides get helped by blitz

[fiery wigeon]

ammo im guessing?

[rich jolt]

That and i dont think it has any good crit blessings

[fiery wigeon]

oof

"+12% crit chance for each enemy hit by your last shot (max 5)" from scattershot

that seems pretty good

[strong gulch]

Ew. I never noticed that the hoses on med kits ungulate.

[rich jolt]

Oh it has that?

Neat

Might give it a try

[rich jolt]

Well i mean its constantly pumping out stim mist

[strong gulch]

true but icky

[fiery wigeon]

how do shotguns work in this game

is it pellets

is it payday spaghetti

[rich jolt]

Theyre individual pellets but i think its hitscan

[fiery wigeon]

are they range capped

[rich jolt]

I dont think so

[fiery wigeon]

yknow what im just gonna go fuck around with a hacker in the meat grind for the next half hour lol

thats nice

[rich jolt]

I mean hacker has horrible dmg drop off so i wouldn't recommend trying to snipe

[fiery wigeon]

lmao

[upper galleon]

i'd wait till lawbringer comes to psyker

lawbringer has a ton of finesse for a shotgun

[upper galleon]

you should test how true aim interacts with the double barrel

if you can guarantee the crit you can skip scattershot and just go manstopper flechette

[upper galleon]

it has some harsh falloff, and weirdly the alt fire has falls off harder than the normal fire

[rich jolt]

Gunker with slugs

[upper galleon]

honestly depending on how true aim interacts

lawbringer would be >>> agri on psyker

tho agri would still be good

[jovial juniper]

Once killed a sniper that was 72 meters away

[fiery wigeon]

weakest assail user:

[jovial juniper]

That's when I realized shotguns were badass

[fiery wigeon]

shotguns are pretty badass

the feedback from hacker is absolutely fantastic

[untold niche]

Kickback?

Post buff pre nerf kickback

[jovial juniper]

Kant

[untold niche]

Ah, with three headshots?

I remember being max ranged from a sniper and killed him with kant

Took like three headshots

[buoyant maple]

this is pretty much why reciprocity is not as good as it sounds

[rich jolt]

Silence knife user. Real buckshotters are talking

[ornate hamlet]

It's why I use it on knife

[untold niche]

:v
FT Riposte cknife goated

[buoyant maple]

minimum pellet count system registers set number of pellets' worth of dmg (falls off over range, varies by armor type) if a single pellet connects with an enemy (regardless of distance)

[untold niche]

Oh shit, I don't know that. Do you have the graph for kant shotgun?

[fiery wigeon]

PAYDAY JANK

i know this one

[buoyant maple]

wdym graph

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/orangutan-orangutan-baby-baby-orangutan-orangutan-kiss-kiss-gif-24373275

[untold niche]

You said it falls off at range, I assume it follows a graph instead of just a one time drop

At what distance, how much damage is the minimum damage

Basically

.

[buoyant maple]

I don't care about falloff percentage, I only care about what breakpoints at what ranges

[cold geode]

What is the fastest way to do the defy fate penance?

[untold niche]

Fo you have those

[buoyant maple]

and I only rly care abt 1 tap ranges

[untold niche]

Me kissing you path

[buoyant maple]

because after the 1 tap ranges on them it's pretty much "shoot until dead" instead of taking measured shots

[fiery wigeon]

just run disrupt destiny lingering and play the game

kill the blue men

[untold niche]

You can 2 hit gunners to a pretty far range.
Do share the 1 tap ranges tho :p

[buoyant maple]

it's all really short

kantrael has like 8~9m if u kit it for 1 taps

[untold niche]

With Kant I just assume anything that's man sized takes 2 hits

[buoyant maple]

it's pathetically short

[untold niche]

At mid range

[buoyant maple]

no, 2~3

kantrael's problem is wide spread

[untold niche]

The ADS keeps it pretty tight no :v

[buoyant maple]

not nearly as good as the other 2 in terms of spread accuracy

[cold geode]

yep yep, was hoping there was something easier oh well

[untold niche]

Hmmmm. Unless I miss I don't recall needing three shots on gunners with kant

[fiery wigeon]

do you want spread accuracy if one shot does full damage? or does each pellet trigger this?

[buoyant maple]

every individual pellet can apply this
however, hitting 7 pellets on 1 target is gonna do more dmg than having the minimum pellet count of 5, as an example

[untold niche]

What shotgun has good mid range 1 taps? ( other than the slug special ofc )

[buoyant maple]

agripinaa goes to around 14~15m with buffs up

it's still fairly short

[untold niche]

Agripina is wide spread or slug

[buoyant maple]

all the shotguns are pretty close range weapons but they somehow have slow sprint to fire which makes them awkward for point blank shooting

[buoyant maple]

slug

[untold niche]

Non special?
Damn I thought kant has highest bade damage?

[buoyant maple]

kantrael has highest base dmg, worst falloff over range, worst accuracy

[fiery wigeon]

eugh

cod does that too

very frustrating

[untold niche]

Thanks. I should go play with slug more.
Does its special peirce bulwark again?
And which one you like more

[buoyant maple]

the DB shotgun can take run&gun blessing which not only gives u better spread accuracy, +close dmg during sprint while enabling hipfire during sprint, it also gives u instant sprint to fire

[buoyant maple]

what class

[untold niche]

Usually you don't run sith shotgun out so it's fine. Personally I never noticed this because of this reasob

[untold niche]

Both zealot and vet

[fiery wigeon]

fair

[buoyant maple]

agripinaa shotgun is somewhat interesting for veteran because it does 2 things no other ranged weapon can do

so it's not a straight plasma downgrade

u can open bulwark shield in 1 slug shot (still works)

and u can also slug 1 bodyshot detonate poxburster at range

both are fairly useful

[fiery wigeon]

that is quite good

are slugs still kinda shit at range

[buoyant maple]

no

perfect accuracy

[fiery wigeon]

oh sweet

[buoyant maple]

it's basically a plasma shot that doesn't have terrain penetration and no enlarged hitreg size

it can 1 tap a lot of things

everything below mauler/ogryn/mutant, u can 1 tap with slug to the head

[untold niche]

Doesn't old bolter open up shield as well. Granted its really really slow

Wat about on zealot

[buoyant maple]

5~6 shots, not worth it

[untold niche]

That explains LOL

[buoyant maple]

scattershot manstopper railgun throwing knife

prob lawbringer?

I think lawbringer > kantrael now

kant is just awkward

[untold niche]

Got buffs? Or new discoveries

[buoyant maple]

well no

kant got fire shot cleave nerfed

from inf to 4.5

[untold niche]

Oh yeah

[buoyant maple]

and law always had better reg shots

[untold niche]

Now it feels like 2-3 lmao

[buoyant maple]

law's ADS reg shots are extremely tight

[fiery wigeon]

praying to the fatshark gods to add an automatic shotty

[buoyant maple]

download full auto mod ig

[untold niche]

What's railgun

[buoyant maple]

throwing knife with infinite cleave

[untold niche]

But lawby can't do anything to bulwark:(

[buoyant maple]

because throwing knife inherits blessings from in-hand weapon

[untold niche]

Oh right, yeah

[buoyant maple]

so a crit throwing knive gets manstopper and cleaves everything

[buoyant maple]

just melee them it's not that complicated

worst case scenario bring crusher and just SP > L1

[lunar hollow]

the minimum pellet count for unyielding on lawbringer is higher than the total pellet count

[buoyant maple]

if u haven't tried, lawbringer magdump BoN in the back is pretty funny

[lunar hollow]

it is a pretty solid anti-unyielding option

[spice veldt]

RAILGUN

[fiery wigeon]

what on earth

[buoyant maple]

yea 5 stack uncanny strike throwing knife is real

granted uncanny strike is just broken

throwing knife inheriting manstopper is also super funny

[untold niche]

Huh? Wt
Likely going get fixed soon right?

[lunar hollow]

why would you ever assume that in a tide game

[fiery wigeon]

nonono

[spice veldt]

soon on a galactic scale perhaps

[fiery wigeon]

in

a pve game in general

[spice veldt]

maybe we'll get to experience the 4th world war before it gets fixed

[fiery wigeon]

shit dont get fixed in pve coop shooters

[untold niche]

Eh quite hard to melee 6 bulwark with cknife

[fiery wigeon]

its a law of the universe

[untold niche]

Mean, kant fire infi got nerfed decently fast

[lunar hollow]

no it didn't..?

[untold niche]

I thought like within 2 months

[lunar hollow]

it was in the game for like a year

no wtf

[untold niche]

Oh shit

[buoyant maple]

It’s a feature

[untold niche]

Wait so it was in before p13?

[lunar hollow]

yeah

[untold niche]

I just had that impression because you made that video

Then 2 months it got fixed

[spice veldt]

josho is brainwashing you

[buoyant maple]

Zealot chat going wild

[lunar hollow]

there's not a single change made to this game because of me when i sent bug reports to the proper authorities they get fuckign IGNORED

[untold niche]

I hate not having anti bulwark on zealot

Damn I might try lawby on my vet now

[untold niche]

I have no real way of saying this without cringe.
Aren't you cool enough to have some influential contacts?

[buoyant maple]

Idk, practice in meat grinder with creature spawner?

[spice veldt]

(no)

[buoyant maple]

Bulwarks have been way better than pre-fix

[untold niche]

It'd not impossible I just find it annoying I keep getting interrupted by another bulwark is all

[fiery wigeon]

putting surge staff on my """gunker""" so i can spam at bulwarks

[buoyant maple]

Then take a crusher/shock maul

[untold niche]

Nah I want to play cknife :v

[fiery wigeon]

knife is fun

[buoyant maple]

It’s either or, u decide

[fiery wigeon]

send the enemies to london

[buoyant maple]

U can still stagger with FotF when they open for a swing anyway

[untold niche]

I read that its because of hank that they nerfed the oggie DR

[spice veldt]

though hank is a playtester so that's par for the course

[untold niche]

Josho you just need to become a playtester

[fiery wigeon]

omg this game is ran by a company that listens to playtesters??

[buoyant maple]

It was a good change

[untold niche]

It is yeah. I swapped off oggie because of that

[buoyant maple]

The only “not so good change” recently imo is Dreg rager spam

Everything else really good

[buoyant maple]

Just adapt

[lunar hollow]

unfortunately there's nobody who can just go "fatshark do this"

[untold niche]

What was the change?

Also I hated momentum nerf because it made one of my builds notbeork

[lunar hollow]

playtesters aren't developers

[untold niche]

No I meant, it was so good I swapped off oggie because it was so boring

Couldn't die.

[lunar hollow]

you will often have them show up in public chats and be like "i want x or i wanted to do Y" and evidently it isn't/wasn't in the game

[buoyant maple]

Increased Dreg rager atk speed

Momentum nerf was fine too, you can still maintain 10+ stacks of buff in combat easily just because it gives u insane dodge

[lunar hollow]

if i could be a playtester i would

i have such powerful ideas

[spice veldt]

gameruining ideas

friendly fire on

barrels instantly magnetize you into the void

[untold niche]

Psyker gets hate the next day

[spice veldt]

trauma and purg psykers instantly killing their teammates

[lunar hollow]

false

[stiff falcon]

They do fix things reported

[lunar hollow]

the one thing iw ant in this world is an achlys combat axe rework

[lunar hollow]

(eventually)

[untold niche]

I can't because I'm not good especially since they nerfed the duration. I was running stealth momentum caxe. Could 1 tap reapers from the front with stealth. Was really fun. Can't do that now

[stiff falcon]

They didn’t go hard enough on zealot

[lunar hollow]

i think my favorite bug ever was that there were specific hs7 lights that weren't cancellable with tknives

[buoyant maple]

I thought the whole point of stealth zealot was for backstab

[spice veldt]

being randomly validated by crab about that

and that you weren't insane

[untold niche]

Backstab crushers 1 tap.

[lunar hollow]

i was actually going insane trying to figure out what the fuck was causing my knives to FAIL

and then this lil crustacean

reveals to me the truth

[fiery wigeon]

??

[lunar hollow]

"i reported that seven months ago"

[spice veldt]

(the other crab)

[lunar hollow]

(the smaller crab)

[untold niche]

The better crab

[fiery wigeon]

oh

[untold niche]

[fiery wigeon]

the crab i never met

i was really really confused for a moment lol

[buoyant maple]

What’d u nerf further

[untold niche]

Also I use stealth for revives anyway :v

[buoyant maple]

Split FotF into subnodes?

[spice veldt]

annihilate crit TDR

[fiery wigeon]

oh thats silly

[buoyant maple]

Yea that too

[spice veldt]

and add some on-brain requirement for zealot's keystones

instead of just requiring an active heartbeat

[untold niche]

On topic of dreg rager.
Now they they only spawn 3 ragers at most I didn't really feel this ngl

[lunar hollow]

blazing piety has way too cool of a name for what it does

[stiff falcon]

Second wind, throwing knives cut throat, internal cooldown on crit code

Backstab damage

[spice veldt]

duellist is another one to gut

[buoyant maple]

No they can still spawn in very large groups

[stiff falcon]

Totally reasonable talent guys

[buoyant maple]

U can run into a room with 10+15 Dreg ragers just spammed continuously

[buoyant maple]

I thought duellist was said to be bugged or smth

[spice veldt]

numbers are fine as far as i can tell

[lunar hollow]

the duellist bug as far as i understand is certain people misunderstanding how it applies damage

and thinking it doubles the precog finesse bonus when duellist is just one instance of 50% crit damage and another instance of 50% weakspot damage that can stack

[buoyant maple]

Yea they’re supposed to be additive

[untold niche]

Haven't been getting those in a5mael. That's weird ngl

[lunar hollow]

probably not, no

"finesse damage" is the term used for crit or weakspot damage increases

such as precog

[buoyant maple]

I had a few games on the new map where the starting catwalk was literally 95% Dreg rager spawn

[lunar hollow]

individual crit/weakspot i think always refers to unique bonuses

[buoyant maple]

Finesse, weakspot & Crit damage bonuses are supposed to be additive with each other

[lunar hollow]

yup

i've seen nothing that doesn't line up with that

[buoyant maple]

Yea that’s how I remember it

[untold niche]

Heh I would love to see a video clip of that

I imagine all the barrels going off as well

[spice veldt]

my first memories of the new map was getting barreled off by recon lasgun users

kill them

[lyric burrow]

i have also been barreled

i mostly remember the secret ogryn movetech though

[buoyant maple]

No it’s just rly cancer because u pretty much have to have some sort of specialized toolkit to deal with mass Dreg rager spam if ur not an ogryn

There’s not much u can do when there’re 15 Dreg ragers charging u and there’s a fire barrel lit ground behind u

[lyric burrow]

15 ragers do be cringe

[untold niche]

Kant shotgun vewy good anti rager

[buoyant maple]

It also makes trauma/smite way higher value than they should

[buoyant maple]

Yea u can kill 4 then it’s gg

[lyric burrow]

i wouldnt even call it "difficult" to deal with cause you either invalidate it in 2 seconds without trying or you die

its like fake difficult

[untold niche]

Use the belief in the emperor, and maybe your teammates to + your melee to kill the rest ezpz

[buoyant maple]

I genuinely hate how EP smite is unironically the most effective way to deal with Dreg rager spam

[untold niche]

My friendly vet will VOC and use his plasma sword to kill all of them

NO FEAR

[buoyant maple]

If they don’t line up a lot, plasma doesn’t kill a lot of them before they get into melee range

Depends on terrain

[untold niche]

As in the sword

[buoyant maple]

If u test it in meat grinder they do flanking behaviour because ur by urself

[untold niche]

Yeah I do notice they tend to spread out

[buoyant maple]

U’d need sunder

And a sunder power sword is pretty much an exclusive anti-elite spam weapon

So it falls into the “bringing a specialized toolkit” category which I don’t like that much

[potent echo]

sundeez

[untold niche]

Whatever loadout I see that is run by 100% od the vets in SEA seem to kill ragers decently well

[spice veldt]

quiet yourself, mr guihelbie

[untold niche]

@lethal lagoon

[potent echo]

no

[lethal lagoon]

nots

[potent echo]

psword by itself already staggers ragers

but if theres more than 2 then its a struggle

[lethal lagoon]

please sword deez nuts

[lyric burrow]

i just simply take assail and it no longer matters what is in my other 2 slots

i just win

[buoyant maple]

If they run frags they can destroy Dreg rager spam really well
But again it’s to use a specific tool

[potent echo]

nah i'd win

[untold niche]

Disgusting

[lethal lagoon]

Win deez nuts

[untold niche]

Nah SEA vets only know krak

[lethal lagoon]

Why did you summon me here for this.

[potent echo]

i rarely see a few smokers

[lethal lagoon]

You rarely see deez nuts

[buoyant maple]

Then they don’t kill a lot of them individually, it’s just either

1. Not that many Dreg ragers
2. They’re split between ur team so individual pressure not as high

[untold niche]

To complete this?

This natz

[lethal lagoon]

I don't like following obvious bait.

It has to be creative

[untold niche]

Perhaps. I can't imagine soloing 12 ragers as zealot yeah. Would prob end up with 1hp

[lethal lagoon]

[untold niche]

To be honest I just pinged you because gui seemed to get influenced by you

[lethal lagoon]

Gui is my child

So that makes sense

If he doesn't refute this in 1.2 minutes, it's true

[buoyant maple]

It’s not as bad in trio/quad but if u play solo/duo seeing Dreg rager spam is genuinely just not fun without specific tools in builds lol

[untold niche]

Gui please disown your discord dad.

[lethal lagoon]

Tick tock son

[untold niche]

Ah I don't play non pubs

[spice veldt]

you can do it as zealot but i've only done it on a crit build and a chainsword and with chaff around that i regened off of when swiping at a dreg rager horde

and also 50% of my hp

[lethal lagoon]

Are you sure it was 50?

[spice veldt]

51%

[untold niche]

I could probably do it with caxe zealot but I doubt with cknife.
It would start off really good as I one tap them then I would get chunked and die

[lethal lagoon]

Fit deez nuts in your mouth

[spice veldt]

die

[untold niche]

Wait where did thr fit come from

[lethal lagoon]

Fifty

Close enough

To fit deez nuts in your mouth

My arms are getting tired.

[buoyant maple]

Wanna know why, it’s because the moment u run out of stamina/dodge u basically run out of options

Block -> guard broken -> get staggered -> get hit -> gain stamina from hits taken -> back to block but still staggered -> get combo’d -> guard broken -> repeat

You can get combo’d to death stupidly fast

[untold niche]

Can't you dodge back?

[untold niche]

That's good. I was about to call a timeout on you

[spice veldt]

no TWBS probably

[buoyant maple]

Have fun dodging 15 ragers buddy

Oh yea forgot abt TWBS, zealot can face tank that

U just lose health

On veteran u literally just get combo’d to death

[untold niche]

I BELIEBE IN CKNIFE
But yeah my cknife doesn't have twbs so after the third rager I would get cok blocked charging up my heavy. Which is why I said I don't think iccan do it with cknife

[spice veldt]

it's mildly stronger than expected because of the tdr on dodge (baseline, not good balance) so spamming dodge and not getting taken out of a dodge by a hit ends up being nice

[lethal lagoon]

Did we hang out together last night?

[untold niche]

No

[lethal lagoon]

That's right, it was deez nuts

[untold niche]

I don't get it.

[lethal lagoon]

"hang"

"nuts"

Your SEA immunity is too strong

Your nuts hang out together

[untold niche]

Yeah you seem to be grasping hard.

[lethal lagoon]

Grasping hard on deez nuts

[untold niche]

Baited

Ezpz

[buoyant maple]

But yea I just wish the Dreg rager spam can be toned down a little

[lethal lagoon]

If you bring me great joy, does it count as "baited"?

I thought you were going to type a deez nuts joke first

so I wanted to beat you

[untold niche]

I think that has got to do with the game balance in its whole. I remember for the longest time people hate dreg ragers for what it is.
Either kill them fast or die fast.

[buoyant maple]

Had a match the other day with Gale in Warren 6-19 where we had like 25 maulers plus shotgunners & gunners spawning in final event

[lethal lagoon]

I just wish they made their range more clear

It feels so ghosty in first person

[buoyant maple]

If it was 25 Dreg ragers we prob would have lost lol

[lethal lagoon]

Like I know it's accurate, but it doesn't feel accurate

[lunar hollow]

warren's difficulty is almost entirely backloaded into the end event

@lyric burrow never forget the knife duo

[untold niche]

The path in my mind is good enough to body block all those ranged wlite with the mayler bodies

[lyric burrow]

do you think id forget that

that is a core memory

[lethal lagoon]

25 Ragers, there's a build that kills them all safely in 8 seconds flat

[lunar hollow]

2 mk3 knives

2 graia brautos

[buoyant maple]

Well no it’s the final staircase push where they spawn

[lunar hollow]

inhuman amounts of suffering

[lyric burrow]

i started fucking sweating covering your scan

[lunar hollow]

life was pain

[untold niche]

Does someone have a picture of that area

[buoyant maple]

EP smite is just different

[untold niche]

The only map I know by name is hav dreyko

[lethal lagoon]