psyker-class

[supple dock]

I honestly don't know lmao

[upper sun]

i remember someone saying with unyielding and double fire you can one shot a bulwark or come close to it

im not sure tho

also i think it was on zealot not psyker

[tired estuary]

You want flak + unyielding

[shadow oar]

Is brain burst + proc on attack worth it for a gun psyker

Feels good with recon las but idk if it’s optimal

[tired estuary]

No

[upper sun]

eh its ok you get a lot of free points on DD

[thick carbon]

depends on what you're going for

[upper sun]

kenitic flayer is kind of a wasted point but if you can afford it why not

[shadow oar]

Definitely don’t find myself using bb often while I’m playing it

Proc on attack feels good when it hits a disabler or boss but I’m wondering if it’s better to just invest down a diff path for blitz

[upper sun]

better question is is there any other talent you're missing out on thats better than flayer? if not i dont see the problem

[unreal wasp]

Think I just found the only downside to Wildfire

[shadow oar]

Not entirely, just think it may be best to take a diff blitz entirely

[unreal wasp]

Accidentally applied Venting Shriek soulblaze stacks to a Daemonhost through a wall before we knew it was there, didn't fully aggro it but it made it go into second phase

Think someone killed a burning enemy near it after ITS stacks went away like 70 second later and the fact that I was doing damage to it at all, whether I actively did it or not, pissed it off

[late sapphire]

gunker blitz depends on gun imo

[shadow oar]

def wouldn’t run bb with revolver

[late sapphire]

shotgunker needs bb, autogunker smite is fine

etc

[unreal wasp]

Running BB with Bolt Pistol but that's because they have slightly separate roles, I just use Venting Shriek to deal with shooter groups

[shadow oar]

may just try assail out with recon las and duel sword, hordes can take a while to clear

[unreal wasp]

Illisi and Venting Shriek for hordes, Bolt Pistol for Trappers/Flamers/Bombers that need to die quick or if I need to get a Mauler or Rager quick that's on someone, Brain Rupture for Ogryns and bosses

Or Brain Rupture for free special/elite damage if I'm safe enough to be using it

[late sapphire]

if you put deadly accurate surgical on bolt pistol it's way better than brain rupture for bosskilling

[haughty star]

BR is mid but like a nice mid for bossing

Anywho if people keep whining about smite they just gonna nerf venting shriek

[unreal wasp]

No please, my press F and forget the horde exists option

[haughty star]

It'd be the easiest way to balance smite out

[upper sun]

just remove the rmb smite and make lmb quick cast like zealot knives

also make EP 500% increase in damage

I have fixed smite

oh yeah the +1 jump makes enemies stagger faster

[bitter escarp]

Make Smite a Hammerhand punch at melee range

[upper sun]

and the +10% damage is 15% damage

[bitter escarp]

Psyker first class with melee blitz

[thorn cedar]

lmb is already instant

how much quicker can it get

[upper sun]

is it instant?

feels a bit slow on crushers

[late sapphire]

what

[thorn cedar]

oh you mean the stun

[upper sun]

yeah

[thorn cedar]

yes its the same windup for both

[upper sun]

u heard me

[thorn cedar]

im fine with it because otherwise you would just qq spam it

[upper sun]

🤔

[thorn cedar]

currently you can tech it to rapid fire and just endlessly stunlock

[upper sun]

give it charges like assail

[thorn cedar]

its just a pain

[upper sun]

🤔 wait if its just like zealot knives then it would get blessings

puncture smite

[thorn cedar]

no because you have to have smite equipped at all times

[upper sun]

noooo

i want it to become like zealot knives

[thorn cedar]

assail squeeks by because of flight time

[upper sun]

quick cast

[thorn cedar]

hmmm

[upper sun]

cmon itll be so fun you can hold down a target and charge up a deimos special

[thorn cedar]

it wpuld then but what would that even do lul

[upper sun]

FUN

also quick stagger stuff in emergencies

[late sapphire]

They should let us instakill enemies with the lightning and fly around n shit palpatine style

[thorn cedar]

thats already an option really

crushers you can stun before the long overhead anim hits you

[upper sun]

idk

last time i tried smite it felt slow

idk if i did something wrong tho

[ornate hamlet]

The new LMB tag

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-staring-cat-stare-stop-staring-at-me-please-gif-9315292369693569596

I think I might be the only person who cannot vacuum capsule nowadays

Admittedly I'm getting a bit tired of "for Atoma"

Except on female LC

Each time she says "for the Emperor" with that cheer in her voice, I am overcome with joy and warmth

I love my deserter kleptomaniac selfish wife

[late sapphire]

I hate my psykers lines

'for the emperor... i guess...' stfu

[jovial juniper]

Get Loner'd

It's even funnier on the Mourningstar

[upper sun]

FOR ATOMA

[unreal wasp]

Eh, Iunno, for the Emperor works for my psy-paladin larp

"Emperor guide me... please..." is vaguely similar to "Sigmar bless this ravaged body"

Except one is just funny

Now I'm trying to remember if Warrior Priest set things on fire a lot

[ornate hamlet]

HOLY SIGMAR, RAVAGE THIS BLESSED BODY

[unreal wasp]

[queen fog]

BLESSED SHOT! teamkills a low hp elf

[tulip kettle]

yes, yes, for the emperor, im sure.

[jovial juniper]

WE FIGHT FOR THE INNOCENT!!!

[tulip kettle]

my savant doesnt really get played anymore

protocol this

st messelina that

idgaf dood

[queen fog]

FOR THE LEX ATOMA!

I miss my savant, personality swapped him to the seer mainly because my friends say I do a better impression of that personality compared to others

[halcyon gust]

Thankfully you can change your personality of your Psyker

[brazen rampart]

My personal favorite is popping scrier's gaze; "The Lex has found you."

[jovial juniper]

I remember when Fem Savant had the placeholder generic lines

[upper sun]

FEAR MY POTENTIAL

[jovial juniper]

" Engaging Warp protocols "
Gazes all over the heretics

[upper sun]

"we stopped so many bulwarks from spawnning together"

4 bulwarks spawn at once protecting a pack of gunners and a trapper

ok game

[queen fog]

Director spawns like that make me wish I slapped on plasma vet just to say fuck those bulwarks in particular

[halcyon gust]

At least Bulwark shields actually make Sense

Unlike before they seemly block damage from side attacks

[upper sun]

i actually forgot how we even played te game before the bulwark change

that seems like the dark age of darktide

[halcyon gust]

It's the same thing I do for all Bulwarks

Charge voidstrike into the shield

Stumble

Shove orbs into face

[upper sun]

i dont play vodstrike

[halcyon gust]

Or If I'm on purge staff build

[upper sun]

BB

[halcyon gust]

Melee them or if lazy. 2 psycho charged BBs

1 if lucky with them being chipped down by other teammates

[jovial juniper]

I do remember some team wipes because they would just block everything

[tulip kettle]

i just ran BB

or threw assails over their heads

[late sapphire]

nade or surge

or just being skilled in general idk

[ornate hamlet]

Old bulwarks were dog shit

[haughty star]

They kinda still do just not as bad lol

[late sapphire]

New bulwarks are fatter and take at least a surge more

[azure bridge]

which aura do you guys run on your pyskers?

[dawn girder]

Depends on the build, shorter path = well spent points.

[azure bridge]

so i'm to take that as an admission that all three auras are equally viable? Or is there a particular one that stands out

or does it frankly not matter and just go for shortest points

[dawn girder]

Id say theyre all good, sure. But each aura compliments a build instead of building around an aura

[ornate hamlet]

I don't quite use the elite damage one because the only node it unlocks compared to the CDR one is not particularly good

CDR is the default for non-crit builds or builds that need shriek

[azure bridge]

intersting

[ornate hamlet]

For crit stuff I squeeze as much crit chance as I can because of DD

[azure bridge]

got myself a blaze trauma staff, that crit sounds mighty nice

[thorn cedar]

imo the actual best aura is Psykinetics Aura which is not actually an aura node but just some regular ass blue node lmao

[upper galleon]

can't grab vent with crit chance and can't grab scrier's with elite damage

[thorn cedar]

secondary to that, you can't grab One with the Warp and Crit Aura

which is a huge negative imo

[merry folio]

Sup just stopped in for red name points

[thorn cedar]

so if we are evaluating the auras based on tree position elite and cdr are best

if we want to evaluate the auras only then honestly, still cdr aura

[ornate hamlet]

They should totally make that the CDR aura, I'm sure it'll be fine and healthy

[thorn cedar]

i mean either way we already get to do it lol

[upper sun]

find brusier ogryn
hug brusier ogryn

very healthy pls play

tbh

[merry folio]

Assail is the best ability 😈

[upper sun]

these auras are legit not as bad as invocation of death before nerf

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker pathing being ass

[upper galleon]

aura isn't

the "aura" not aura is bad

[upper sun]

yeah lmao as if your team ever does anything useful with cdr

[ornate hamlet]

I want my shitty 5% crit with my peril TDR and cooldown on tag kill

They support my melee psyker like a glovr

E

[upper sun]

whats the zealot gonna do chastise into another trapper?

[upper galleon]

the aura isn't bad

[upper sun]

ye im saying its really good

for u

[upper galleon]

psykinetic's aura is, which is the node up to the left

[upper sun]

yes ikno

[thorn cedar]

its really good period

[upper galleon]

bad in the sense of imbalanced

the aura is good, but it's not unhealthy

[upper sun]

y-yes

[upper galleon]

ok so we all on the same page

[upper sun]

its very not unhealthy perfectly balanced

doesnt need anything pls keep it as is

[dawn girder]

Give my voc vet more shouts

Every game.

[thorn cedar]

pretty muc S Tier for that alone

[dawn girder]

10% is nuts ontop of the innate cdr from murdering

[ornate hamlet]

🐐 ‼️

[thorn cedar]

me with my bottomless shield walls thanks to 22% static cdr and 5% per elite 😎

[upper galleon]

yea the 5% elite

is BS

[upper sun]

cool cool

[upper galleon]

needs an ICD

[upper sun]

ill just die outside bubble to gunners

[thorn cedar]

tbh id call it balanced

you have to be the one to score the kill

[upper sun]

man we call things unbalanced now

but nothing on psyker tree is survivalist tier

[thorn cedar]

stacked with all the other cdr shenanigans going on it does start to get sillier

[ornate hamlet]

Smite probably

[upper galleon]

up until you have void staff

and pen 5 elites with one bolt

[ornate hamlet]

Both try to break a fundamental part of the game

[upper galleon]

even 1 second icd

would do a ton

[upper sun]

idk why people complain about smite i have seen only like 4 full smite psykers this month

[thorn cedar]

its every three games for me on average lol

[upper sun]

damn

[dawn girder]

Its every game when im on my psyker

[ornate hamlet]

Because I'm traumatized from when every psyker kept running that and folding to a single poxwalker flanking them

[upper galleon]

cause it's boring

it's like how not every vet is running plasma or revolver

[upper sun]

yeah but for me at least its not that often

[ornate hamlet]

Oh no this single enemy is attacking me guys guys please help my finger is stuck on RMB

[upper sun]

hey at least vets leave after they get downed

[dawn girder]

Hey man. I like saving my space brothers and sisters from rager packs

[ornate hamlet]

Grrr bad team not helping my support build

[merry folio]

Haha 🤣 💀

[upper sun]

if i die i die its my fault

[upper galleon]

2 types of smite players

[ornate hamlet]

And there I am chaining DS4 headshots with PC and 5 uncanny stacks

[upper sun]

like if you're just smitemaxxing all game you wont learn melee propperly

[upper galleon]

why would you need to

with ds4

[dawn girder]

Let the psyker electrolytes push you through mistakes by instantly freezing them in a torrent of biolightning

[upper sun]

because its fun

[thorn cedar]

there are smykers in malice right now still losing games

[ornate hamlet]

I admit that even on the build where I have smite, I got so used to hitting shit that I don't smite

[thorn cedar]

thats just how it is on this bitch of an earth

[upper galleon]

smite got buffed cause support nerds tanked the winrate i will die on this theory

[ornate hamlet]

I basically only smite bulwark walls and mixed hordes with them, crushers or ragers

[fringe garden]

this

[thorn cedar]

i think they buffed it so that the penance wouldnt be a total fucking slog

[upper sun]

idk i dont even use it then

[ornate hamlet]

It's the one thing I find too dangerous to voidstrike because my team will very likely eat shit from all those at the same time

[fringe garden]

I so rarely end up using smite. I've been trying to make myself use it a bit more. Feels like a pointless part of my kit most of the time.

[upper galleon]

yea but with the first EP buff and venting shriek, it was a usuable tool, now it's too OP

[upper sun]

i legit use it like once every 4 games

if theres 5 crushers in a bad spot or something

[ornate hamlet]

So I basically only smite something that scares me shitless personally

[fringe garden]

If my team is obviously being overrun I'll pull it out

[dawn girder]

Purge build is alot more enjoyable and controller safe, imo

[thorn cedar]

we gotta be cautious with considering smite and fireshriek as a full package because honestly that's just two different broken OP components and for separate reasons

[upper sun]

being labeled a smyker scares me so i try to not use it

so half the time i forget i have it

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, a lot of the damage smite builds do is shriek

[fringe garden]

Eh, other people's opinions are worthless

[ornate hamlet]

Hit 85%, shriek and the poxwalker horde dies on its own

[thorn cedar]

i hold the distinction of TWICE being called 'the least annoying smyker ive seen' by pubs

[tidal rock]

how bout that WARP DUST lads am I right?

[thorn cedar]

we get the best compliments

[fringe garden]

Veterans spamming that bonus toughness ultimate trivilizes the shit out of the game, too. Ain't nobody bitching about that, though

[thorn cedar]

oh we do

[ornate hamlet]

And even then, if we decide to do funny shit we have uncanny fire shriek

[thorn cedar]

voc will get its fukken day

[fringe garden]

lol

[ornate hamlet]

Fuck VoC tbh

I run revive to curb that thing's cooldown

I don't run tactical awareness on principle

I'm a menace

[dawn girder]

I used to get flamed for running revive

[ornate hamlet]

No iron will too

[dawn girder]

"Uh you're really gimping us"

"Go change that for the next game so you dont get auto carried"

Now i love gold(toughness)

https://tenor.com/view/gold-member-gif-25375022

[ornate hamlet]

People being toxic to revive shout are maidenless

[dawn girder]

I actually like revive but the amount of times they die immediately after kinda kills it

However you have renewed my confidence to denounce gold and embrace screaming my allies back to life

[ornate hamlet]

I think the revive pulls them up still with gols

D

It's a genuinely useful modifier that people clown on because they understandably got too used to the 30s

But if they're absolute nerds, they'll be running tactical awareness, at which point the revive node simply means 2 more specials killed

[thorn cedar]

eh its sorta the same issue as with zealot relic

a combination of gold toughness being waaaaay too much value by itself and the opportunity cost of taking a better node

[ornate hamlet]

I confess

I play relic without CDR talents

I wait the full duration

[thorn cedar]

id personally be sorta hard pressed to shake off any other talent to take the revive instead

and ya relic is prett ethical lol

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, I can't deny there's other stuff I could use instead of revive

[upper galleon]

probably the best way

so yuo aren't killing your dps

[ornate hamlet]

The FT damage or toughness for example

Or tactical reload for my plasma

[tired estuary]

I really like seeing people get autorevived under flame carpets and instantly dying

[ornate hamlet]

That point is a sometimes costly decision I made specifically to spite people and ended up really liking

[ornate hamlet]

The Emperor's will

Naught but.

[azure bridge]

was kinetic flayer ever buffed or is it still aweful?

[strong gulch]

It's still awful. Pre talent tree rework, there was a real reason to run it when warp charges worked differently.

It's worse now.

[untold niche]

Noice. Zealot or psyker?

[long wharf]

This is some tzeentch shit right here

[strong gulch]

Melk actually has something good.

[ember sonnet]

This better not awaken anything in me

[ornate hamlet]

I dream of the day laspistol gets good maniac damage

Inshallah the flamer shall die in a single headshot

[dawn girder]

Lol that or they left the sticks to go mald

[potent echo]

Saw another "new" player make that mistake recently

[pine hearth]

how does this interact with smite?

im an idiot

[untold niche]

pretty sure i saw the ogryn one before

[obtuse dragon]

considering the low finesse, is this worth snagging from melk?

[rich spindle]

Yeah

Good enough

Mk5 is more about mobility anyway

And you have carapace and and tier 4 to keep after uncanny

[azure bridge]

how is EP brainburst best used?

[ornate hamlet]

On enemies

Usually

Sometimes

[azure bridge]

well i figured it'd be better than using it on myself

but jokes aside

[ornate hamlet]

Blows up self with mind

[lethal lagoon]

I have the psyker one

paid 900 for it

[ornate hamlet]

EP BB is uhhhh

With the elite node it's cool to chain elite one-shots

[upper galleon]

procs it once at the end of the channel after the charge is consumed iirc

[upper galleon]

double shield walls or vent, with the BR extension node

[untold niche]

at least you got it on dsicount

[ornate hamlet]

Without it I'd use it to pick specialists in crowds or stuff at long ranges

[lethal lagoon]

wrong.

It was released at that price

[untold niche]

yeah, have to think positive

[lethal lagoon]

^^^

[azure bridge]

what in the emperors name is happening in that vid

[lethal lagoon]

I would use EP bb so much more if it made sense to use anything other than purg with it

[lethal lagoon]

Your destiny

[untold niche]

he use bobble, get the BB augment buff

buff end

bobble again

[lethal lagoon]

Did you change ur mind about EDF

Cause of the epic stuff

[untold niche]

eh, do you want to play it?
I don't want ot support epic at all personally, didn't evne claim their free games

[upper galleon]

peak BR performance

[azure bridge]

apparently so

so i guess the idea is to fast cast free BR and chain them to wipe out elites

[lethal lagoon]

I hate second account games

But I would of for you

(I actually just love horde games)

[untold niche]

ngl am on the fence || because you put that emote, made my heart flutter a lil ||

[lethal lagoon]

Apprently there's tons of bugs too on top of the epic trickery

And not the fun kind of bugs

[untold niche]

from what i understand of edf, is always nothing major

[ornate hamlet]

Home of sexual

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, I'm sure people are just combining their anger

Hey, I could be a lady, you never know

(I'm not)

[strong gulch]

Yeah, EP BB can go hard.

[lethal lagoon]

More like it makes me

Happy

🙂

[untold niche]

[lethal lagoon]

Any ideas for a secondary weapon that isn't purg with ep BB?

I think we had this convo before though

[untold niche]

hey, theres nothing gay about being touched by your friend

friend's words*

friend's words.

[ornate hamlet]

Hm

[strong gulch]

Purg is the best option. You can make trauma work tho.

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-staring-cat-stare-stop-staring-at-me-please-gif-9315292369693569596

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-slap-gif-18550000

[lethal lagoon]

Lowkey, why does the game cost 60?

I think I played an older verison a bit, but like is there tons of content or something?

[fringe garden]

Because that's what the devs charge

[lethal lagoon]

Okay, buy my game for $60

[fringe garden]

I dont want your game, though

[lethal lagoon]

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly quite true

[fringe garden]

Key difference

[lethal lagoon]

But do you want EDF 6?

[untold niche]

at least in 5 you need to replay the missions a few times
As in, on different difficulties.
becasue each difficulty grants new weapons

[lethal lagoon]

Welp, oh well.

[untold niche]

oh ya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxEa7k8j1Ro&ab_channel=optimum

new legal hardware cheats just dropped

[lethal lagoon]

Oh damn.

I wonder how it hits typing

Oh

typing already has this

I'm a fucking idiot

[thorn cedar]

you figured it out

lmao

now i cant finish my essays by holding down six keys simultaneously for three hours and then changing the colour white 😦

[lethal lagoon]

Well no, tbf, it doesn't have exactly this

It just has a delay before it reads a hold

[thorn cedar]

ye

its just super unlikely also that, yknow

the word you are spelling is welsh

and looks like hhddhjfhfhhfjdhhdjdadajdadjd

[lethal lagoon]

welshit, look at deez nuts

[thorn cedar]

and yeah, i was waiting for this

where this is more a script than just mechanical

so you could just toggle this anyway

[lethal lagoon]

My stupid sensitive fingers means I can't use mechnical keyboards

Will be a long time before I see hardware shit

[untold niche]

wait wahts the diff

so youa re using membrane?

[lethal lagoon]

I need low key travel distance

Or whatever it's called

I think I just type too hard or some shit, I really don't understand it, i've gone to a number of doctors about my finger issues

[untold niche]

if its long travel then your fingers hurt?

[lethal lagoon]

Yes

[azure bridge]

i'ma be stupid

[lethal lagoon]

I do write as a hobby, so there's definitely a higher volume of use than the avg gamer.

[untold niche]

damn taht sucks

[azure bridge]

I'ma put rending shockwave on this trauma staff with blazing spirit

for luls

[lethal lagoon]

Grab true aim and get stacks from melee

[untold niche]

do u wanht to p;ay in 10 minutes, maybe 1 or 2 rounds

if u play ep smite im going to go voc vet

[lethal lagoon]

Oh yeah, no more dual EP smite

No, I gotta make dinner

I already said too tired, and order sushi, and the universe punished me

It was shit.

So back to dinner

If you are around in like 2 hours I can.

[untold niche]

okeh will message here again

[untold niche]

why the people stole ur food? o.o

[lethal lagoon]

I'll just DM you when I'm around

No it was just awful

I should never try new places

[thorn cedar]

idk i hate not having a mechanical

but thats also what ive always had so

laptop keyboards generally annoy me with their lack of feedback

and i still to this day hate phone touch screen keyboards

[lethal lagoon]

You youngin growing up on mechnical keyboards

Back in my day we took whatever $10 keybaords we could get for our 2k machines

That's the right way

[untold niche]

just look at reviews or ask your fat friends

[thorn cedar]

i mean i guess technically what we started with was the card reader

[untold niche]

( im the fat friend)

[thorn cedar]

but i wouldnt call that a keyboard lul

[lethal lagoon]

It did have decent reviews but it was cheaper than expected, so now I get why.

[ornate hamlet]

Fuck touchscreens

[lethal lagoon]

Watching my lil cousin play an FPS on his tablet/touchpad was like seeing an alien

[ornate hamlet]

My favorite phone had a sliding keyboard and vibrated on touch

And the pressure worked with nails because it was actual touch

[patent jacinth]

Alright, how bad is 37% quell speed

[ornate hamlet]

Could even use it just fine in the rain

[patent jacinth]

And is it worth 80 80 80 80 stats on a trauma

[ornate hamlet]

Phones nowadays shit the bed with any drop of water

Garbage ass mf

[lethal lagoon]

It's usuable but it will feel

[patent jacinth]

Yeah I compared it

It isn't the worst

The build has solidity but venting from full without it I can definitely feel it

[lethal lagoon]

Have you ever thought, "This game is fast paced, I wish I were slower"

Then that's the staff for you

[patent jacinth]

The staff in question

[lethal lagoon]

Oh it's bricked for blazing anyways

So do whatever.

[patent jacinth]

Amazing

What perks do I need?

[lethal lagoon]

You have to get 2/4 for blazing, it's a demanding staff.

flak + 5% crit.

Blazing + nexus.

[patent jacinth]

I know the blessings already but I imagined flak

[lethal lagoon]

Need to roll at least 2 of those, that's why we hate it as much as we love it.

I figured, but I was already typing

[patent jacinth]

Well at least I found it at all

[lethal lagoon]

27 quell is just wild lmao

[patent jacinth]

Oh it was 27% not 37

[patent jacinth]

Melk giveth and melk taketh away

[lethal lagoon]

TBF it didn't really matter.

[patent jacinth]

This is 1/4 but will work because I am poor as SHIT right now

Also nice stats

[lethal lagoon]

1/4 is nice to get a feel for.

5% crit is more noticeable than you'd think though on blazing.

[patent jacinth]

I have definitely learned that good enough works

[fair jungle]

this feels like a dumb question to ask but why is a stamina curio recommended alongside two toughness curios instead of a third toughness or hp curio?

[lethal lagoon]

Diminishing returns

[patent jacinth]

I do need to run a mission to actually get enough DOCKETS to mod that trauma though

[lethal lagoon]

And some people really like stamina cause psyker has such fast regen.

[patent jacinth]

Rolling for a Rashad has me pennyless

[lethal lagoon]

To be clear, mathmathical diminishing returns, not actual diminishing returns on toughness curios

[untold niche]

stam curio good for blocking that DH with your force sword + KD

revives as well

but psyker curio doesn't really matter unless you are playing gunker or something fragile

[fair jungle]

and for the traits i want corruption resist and ability cooldown?

[ornate hamlet]

WE'RE UP ALL NIGHT TO GET GUNKY

[untold niche]

based. you are now my best friend

CDR top curio perk
Corruption resist for anti poxy burster

ify ou want something more standard you could go toughness regen speed + toughness for perks

but i like CDR alot

[jovial juniper]

Good googly moogly, that thang is gunky

[fair jungle]

which staff goes best with brain burst?

[quick python]

anything you can't snipe specials with

[fair jungle]

like the flamethrower

[untold niche]

ye

[patent jacinth]

Hows this for a soulblaze trauma build

[rich spindle]

thats pretty much there. I would change out wildfire to get empathetic evasion

[fair jungle]

are the brain burst talents no good?

[patent jacinth]

I just don't have points for them

Would love Resonance

[rich spindle]

and also, get the warp charge on soulblaze enemy

instead of anyone your team kills

[patent jacinth]

Psychic Vampire affects me as well

[strong gulch]

That's how you summon @spice veldt

[rich spindle]

and last I like to skip the 6 warp charges to get BB speed upgrade

[patent jacinth]

After thinking about it, its like 10% specifically on my dots or 4% on everything including my dots, as well as my team

[rich spindle]

since the warp charges are pretty much just for spamming shriek

[patent jacinth]

also 8% damage

[rich spindle]

I understood it as this as well but someone told me its just if a burning enemy dies

to anything

[fair jungle]

is it reasonable to just aim for warp nexus and flurry on any staff i'm using?

or is that just for surge?

[patent jacinth]

Depends

Trauma likes Blazing Spirit for a crit build

Purgatus does though, because it has 5 blessings and the rest suck

[rich spindle]

yes but the thing is you are spamming shriek on cooldown so the 8% damage is almost never active

just something to consider

if you want fast BB

[rich spindle]

#psyker-class message here it is

[spice veldt]

jumpscare

and +1 for rending shockwave blazing spirit 😎

[lethal lagoon]

Works on void, purg, surge, and for both trauma builds you need either flurry or nexus.

Void can have surge nexus, nexus flurry, or flurry surge

Transfer peril if you are feeling goofy/lazy

Surge and purg can only have nexus and flurry

[fringe garden]

Flurry/Surge on Void feels far and away the best to me. Seeing as how charge up time dictates the cleave and stuff so much. And surge is just goated now that it also adds 5% crit.

I also spend 80% of any given match with my staff out, close or long range, so that just might be a personal preference for maining staff more than melee, I guess.

[lethal lagoon]

Oh fuck I forgot about the surge buff.
I originally had the math as 42% vs 25.5% for surge/nexus vs surge/flurry
I figured if you headshotted enough, true aim equalized them pretty decently.
Pygex tested it, and perfect headshots surge/flurry wins, but I figured in an actual game it might still fall behind a little, esp if you are pepega with voidstrike.

But with that extra 5%...

[fringe garden]

yeah, that was an unexpected but very welcome buff

[ornate hamlet]

Shotgun is my new revolver

Chaining both barrels and speedload on rager crowds is goated

[patent jacinth]

Hows this

[ornate hamlet]

Poggerful

[haughty star]

on my second psyker...

how's the crit on a DS4?

[potent echo]

It's fine

You want uncanny usually

[broken carbon]

it’s pretty good, can turn a crusher 3-4 shot into a 2 shot

i run precog uncanny

[lethal lagoon]

I've never been a fan of unreliable damage in this game.

[broken carbon]

that’s my issue with crit builds too

unless i can get crit chance to like

70-80%

i don’t like running anything that relies on crits

it’s why i run precog and not riposte

[lethal lagoon]

Depending on a behavior you can't consistently perform prior to engaging in a certain behavior is a bit different than chance mechanics.

I'm done with english for today

[potent echo]

Me when my monster hunter greatsword build has 95% affinity 💀

[ornate hamlet]

Precog is something I don't like using on psyker because uncanny and perilous combustion are a good combo and psyker doesn't have the same level of passive crit as zealot and vet

So I don't wanna use precog with the same mentality many used exec stance, where it's like "well, I'll hit the breakpoints with an ability"

The inconsistent damage does annoy me a bit when trying to clown on enemies with the dueling swords

[potent echo]

Huh

Psyker has the highest base crit in the game

[lethal lagoon]

Also have the super sayian crit ability

[spice veldt]

2.5% higher than vet and zealot

VALUE

[potent echo]

There's blue

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan

[ornate hamlet]

But psyker doesn't have good passive crit

[potent echo]

[lethal lagoon]

What does that even mean

Pass deez nuts in your face

[potent echo]

Farding out statements

[ornate hamlet]

Vet can rely on desperado and reciprocity to pretty much get free 35% crit

Zealot has scourge and piety

[potent echo]

You lost me on reliable reciprocity

[ornate hamlet]

They're all "just do stuff, the buffs happen" and you have essentially permanent upkeep

Psyker has some goated shit with scrier's gaze, but it's both depending on an ability and that ability doesn't have the same upkeep as the vet and zealot stuff

(and 100% peril makes KD owie oof oof)

[potent echo]

If you say so

[ornate hamlet]

how

[cosmic sigil]

I find reciprocity and desperado way better than what zealot has to offer

You need to go to the bottom of the tree to get access to 10% crit chance

And scourge... It's melee critical hits, not kill. So yeah, good luck with that.

[ornate hamlet]

Scourge procs when it matters tbh

I prefer vet's finesse buffs tho because I always end up using them on any build

My knife zealot has to make a trip to Disneyland to get duelist and it fucking sucks on my point economy

Specifically it sucks 4 points out of my life

[cosmic sigil]

Against anything dangerous yeah. But Crit chance on dodge is sooo good

[radiant frigate]

is it

[plucky flax]

I don't have duelist on my knife build

[radiant frigate]

i never saw it trigger when i played vet

probably because every attack i would dodge is prevented by power sword

[ornate hamlet]

I don't use reciprocity with it

Not enough stacked crit and the modifiers aren't too good if memory doesn't fail me

It's fun with riposte because you coincide the activation of both

[radiant frigate]

"why yes, i would like some more crit with my crit"

[untold niche]

@lethal lagoon skybox view

[left crater]

is this worth building, and how.

[hearty dagger]

Go for the obvious pick of elite/maniac damage on perks i'd say

Savage Sweep is personally not a first choice for me but it could work

[untold niche]

atlas clutching twice

[lethal lagoon]

I guess my internet is better than yours?

[untold niche]

[hearty dagger]

Does Full Bore proc from the slug from the slug shotgun?

[radiant frigate]

yes

[hearty dagger]

Oh hell yeah

Ngl, considering that fatshark is making more weapon families universal

I'm kinda hoping that zealot gets and hoping zealot doesn't get dueling sword for a whole bunch of reasons

I hope they get it because DS4 stabs with FOTF will be fucking hilarious

[radiant frigate]

dueling sword is a psyker special

[hearty dagger]

Absolute Ahab behavior

[radiant frigate]

pretty sure they were talking about things available to 2/3

[untold niche]

for zealot i jsut want thammer buff and to fix flamer

[hearty dagger]

I don't think they really specified that

Lemme check again

[lethal lagoon]

I just want a perfect Blaze Trauma.

[hearty dagger]

They said it's case by case

So DS might go to vet

Though i don't think it'll really go to Zealot

[spice veldt]

zealots don't deserve drip

[left crater]

there will be so many saltspyre mains the moment they get the rapier... or the power sword.

[hearty dagger]

I am a saltzpyre main

Just not in this game

There's only one way that will happen and that's if we get billhook

God billhook would be fucking hilarious

[untold niche]

shut up you filthy secret zealot main

[lethal lagoon]

The only drip zealots should get is an IV after they get trapped for the third time

[lethal lagoon]

Zealots will literally never get rapier

They aren't cool enough

[hearty dagger]

Plus it doesn't make sense for a zealot thematically

[lethal lagoon]

Because thematically, they aren't cool enough.

Exactly

[hearty dagger]

Their whole thing more or less is that they're more fanatical strength than technique, no?

[lethal lagoon]

Smart guy

[hearty dagger]

So i feel like they should get MDS

BUT

as a side node to the throwing knife

[upper sun]

zealot

[hearty dagger]

Imagine how fucking hilarious that would be

Cannot replenish via any usual sources, refills on 10 elite melee kills

But does enough precision damage to one shot a plague ogryn

[untold niche]

wound caxe zealot is strongest build

[upper sun]

so tru zealots should only wear rags and give all their dockets back to the ecclesiarchy

[untold niche]

this what i run on caxe zealot

[hearty dagger]

wait

Sudden terrifying thought

Say they give weapons available to 2/3 classes to the others as well

BOLTER PSYKER.

[untold niche]

eh nah, i don't think its that good.
Quite hard to land headshots during the non aim.
Even with aim why not just use void :v

[hearty dagger]

Very simple

Imagine the fucking burst damage on that thing with DD

[untold niche]

yeah but you don't hit alot of headshots during spam

And on aim, it doesn't cleave that well i think

[lethal lagoon]

I thought it didn't have good finesse?

[untold niche]

you would get a nice boost i think?
I played bolter vet for 1-2 games

you defo feel the increase

[hearty dagger]

I mean, i can land headshots pretty reliably on zealot

While ramming shots

Yeah, the spray isn't that bad you just need to aim a bit lower

[untold niche]

afterwards you need to relaod as well

[hearty dagger]

True

And with Psyker having fuck all for any reload speed boosts, yeah that's gonna take a while

God i wish reload speed was a curio boost

[lethal lagoon]

That would be horrible.

You would defacto have to run that then

I would rather SG have a reload bonus

[untold niche]

Cough cough gunner resist

[lethal lagoon]

I mean you only HAVE to run that on Ogryn

[untold niche]

They should just remove that perk and wat h the world burn

I feel you need taht on zealot as well

Vet doesn't need jt because voc

I think gunker runs that as well right?

[hearty dagger]

Tbf they could also just make it a node elsewhere to make Heavy Gunker viable even without SG

[lethal lagoon]

Replace mind in motion

[upper sun]

we NEED pox burster resist

[lethal lagoon]

It's shit anyways

[untold niche]

Corruption rrsidt is the best they could do. Very sad

[lethal lagoon]

mind in motion = ammo in motion, reload spd is 35% faster, scales reveresly with peril

[hearty dagger]

I ended up making 2 talents for gunker at some point

[upper sun]

the emperor is my shield i run no corruptions resist perks

[lethal lagoon]

the emperor is my sword

[radiant frigate]

i would run three of that

[hearty dagger]

Fated Bullet: Instead of running out of ammo, you stay at 1 bullet, but every shot at 1 bullet will give you peril scaling with mag size
Familiar Rituals(?): Reloading vents peril. Peril increases reload speed

[radiant frigate]

fuck bursters

[upper sun]

i was gonna show you my build but game wont load 🤷‍♂️

[lethal lagoon]

Oh I really like the second for SG

reloading during SG feels so bad

Like it's just boring gameplay

[untold niche]

first one really seems revolvo biased

[hearty dagger]

I mean

Revolvo would give you like 20% peril per shot

Scales with mag size as in higher mags give less peril

It really is weird gunker just

Has nothing to reload faster

[upper sun]

THERE WE GO

[hearty dagger]

Not even some random ahh filler node lying around that gives reload speed

Ngl i'd be willing even for that since rn the only option you have is something like speedload

Which eats up a blessing slot

[near wyvern]

For a brief moment I thought they had butchered the psyker talent tree

[upper sun]

idk man would be an improvement

[untold niche]

noooo don't take t he CDR on damager, that one only procs once
and you don't need duelist on caxe

[upper sun]

no cdr on damage stays 😭

[untold niche]

[potent echo]

CDR on damage is

So freaking bad

[upper sun]

it helps me when i fuck up and eat an overhead

[untold niche]

its not like you take 20% hp damage then forever you get 20% faster CDr btw

[potent echo]

Just drop 2 things to get backstab

[upper sun]

ye i know

[potent echo]

Will it though

[upper sun]

yes

[potent echo]

You eat an overhead and you get 2s off your cooldown

[upper sun]

🤔

no it gets me a charge and a half

[potent echo]

🤔

[untold niche]

drop duelist as well

[upper sun]

what else can i take instead of duelist?

[patent jacinth]

Do not drop duelist

[potent echo]

Why drop duellist

It's the best thing that zealot has

[untold niche]

if you want to keep the damage cdr, take oggie damage, comes right after annoint

[potent echo]

Other than dodge toughness gen

[untold niche]

caxe doesn't change bps with duelist iirc

[upper sun]

i one shot bulwarks with one charge and like 2-3 wounds

[potent echo]

Boss damage

[patent jacinth]

Martyrs purpose is a really questionable pick

[untold niche]

Reaperr

[upper sun]

🤔

[untold niche]

or drop damage CDR as welland get SOC or backstab

soc really good

on wound zealot

[upper sun]

damage cdr stays 😭

[patent jacinth]

Yeah but it helps with targets later in cleave and enemies that aren’t full hp

[potent echo]

I would

Drop the entire left top tree

Go down middle top get fire grenade

[upper sun]

rashad has good enough clear on its own

[untold niche]

waht targets, the zombos die anyway.
enemies aren't in full HP? heresy!

[patent jacinth]

Damage cdr is 1% hp=1% charge

[potent echo]

But idk if you would save any points

[upper sun]

bruh they need to add a single node before and after blitzs

[potent echo]

Nuh uh

Ok maybe

But vets are just privileged

Because their players cry the loudest

[untold niche]

[potent echo]

Moral of the story, psyker and zealots need to start crying and stop being so good at the game

[upper sun]

FATSHARK PLEASE BUFF VOIDSTRIKE

WAAA WAAAA

[untold niche]

psyker shouldnt cry
the average pubber doesn't realize how stronk psyker is and thats good

[potent echo]

Void bad

[untold niche]

[potent echo]

Smite bad uwuuuu

Buff EP more

[untold niche]

i would cry on zealot tho for real

thammer

so sad.

[upper sun]

yeah

[potent echo]

No one cry because no one plays at all

[upper sun]

chastise change was the final nail

[untold niche]

because its bad

[upper sun]

i lost my ironhelm breakpoint on crushers after they changed chastise to rending

i either have to play momentum hammer

or cry

[potent echo]

Zealots would cope so hard by playing better instead of crying on steam discussions

[untold niche]

what they change exactly

mommentum nerf made me cry

[upper sun]

chastise now gives 100% rending instead of downgrading the armor type

[untold niche]

no more reaper one tap from the front iwth caxe

[potent echo]

Momentum and chastise nerf came out of nowhere

Esp when vet peeshout still exists lol

[untold niche]

oh, and thats bad ebcause rending doesn't stack after 100% r ight

[upper sun]

i mean its not bad but ironhelm does fuck all damage to carapace in the first place

[potent echo]

Idk how that maths work though

[untold niche]

i thought 100% r ending means thatg it would ignore adms

[potent echo]

Shouldn't 100% be the same

[upper sun]

i have no idea all i know is i do less damage to crushers now 😭

[untold niche]

you should sask in zealot chat i want to know the answer

[upper sun]

you should ask

i will weep

[untold niche]

but its not even m yweapon

[upper sun]

😭

[untold niche]

[potent echo]

Does zealot chat know

[untold niche]

i know lazorr would but he isn't active

[radiant frigate]

when the thunder hammer doesn't do damage to armor

you'd think that that's the one thing it is designed to crush

[untold niche]

the only thing it can crush is boss
can't even kill gunners with 2 heavies (from waht i recall don't flame me)

the horde clear is

[radiant frigate]

i really hate thunder hammer in this game

[upper sun]

i think you can kill gunners if you go heavy 2 heavy 3

thammer is just sad

[radiant frigate]

it is nothing like hgh from vt2

[untold niche]

[upper sun]

heavy 3 does a bit more damage and weakspot than heavy 1 and 2

[untold niche]

id o know about that, but its just funny for how slow it is you need to use the second adn third strikes of a heavy to 2 tap a gunner

[lethal lagoon]

Oh btw, spamming d4 heavy on high ping is a move tech

Which is just so weird.

[untold niche]

might as well play ogryn ~~ with the fast knife~~

[radiant frigate]

force greatsword when??

[lethal lagoon]

Now.

It's right now.

It's there, waiting for me at melks.

[untold niche]

Given to vet ofc

That's after they nerf peesword and peegub

Force greatsword special consumes ammo to shoot out energy waves

I just want a voc nerf so I can play vet again

[radiant frigate]

why

[untold niche]

It's too OP

I run +7 stamina on my voc wep spec vet because I can

[radiant frigate]

what do you propose

remove overtoughness?

[untold niche]

You could reduce the OT values, and change the duration to 5 seconds

[potent echo]

Remove pee

[untold niche]

Dude one game I had a 100% uptime with voc

[potent echo]

Remove CDR

[untold niche]

Psyker aura

[potent echo]

Remove

Make it attack speed

Totally fuck up other players whenever you run into coherency

[untold niche]

I mean uh the uptime was because of another psykers aura

As soon as I pressed VOC I see 15 seconds cooldown

[untold niche]

It shouldn't be a team wide buff as well

Like all you need is 2 voc vets and its actually hard to lose

[potent echo]

Ehh it should still be

But less

Like zealot singsong is good but it stuns the zealot

If vet shout no more yellow will make it less attractive

And maybe people will take revive shout

[untold niche]

I think you can keep the yellow but drastically reduce the duration

The actual over toughness should be reduced as well

15 seconds is fucking insane

[patent jacinth]

It already got halved, any more and they will riot

[untold niche]

Or make it so that you can't replenish overtoughness

[potent echo]

Cry so loud

[untold niche]

It got halved?????

[upper sun]

remove vet class and add admech

[untold niche]

When did it get halved?

[patent jacinth]

VoC was 100 around patch 13, yes

[untold niche]

Pre patch 13?

?????????????????

[patent jacinth]

I don’t remember when it got nerfed

[potent echo]

Prepatch 13 no VoC lol

[untold niche]

100 overtoughness

[potent echo]

It's 50 now

[untold niche]

Bro might as well install cheat wngine for real

[upper sun]

it still stacks btw

[potent echo]

200 over toughness

[patent jacinth]

Yeah, vets could do instantly and freely do what zealots take 10 seconds and all of their action to do

[untold niche]

Yeah I was palying voc bet with atlas just now. We just coulsn5 lose

[upper sun]

i hate chorus so much

[potent echo]

Wtf you actually playing with him

[untold niche]

Yeah :v

[potent echo]

How much ping

[untold niche]

Mine was pretty bad he's was ok

[patent jacinth]

Despite having 102 levels in vet I fully support nerfing VoC

[upper sun]

ping isnt bad enough

[patent jacinth]

Shit is boring

[upper sun]

we need someone from korea and someone from antarctica

[untold niche]

I think SEA to EU is thr worst you can get

300 ping

[patent jacinth]

Well at least it’s not 6 months and a not insignificant portion of your crew

[untold niche]

Geographically it should be SEA to US since its literally on opposite ends

[potent echo]

There's no direct underwater cable to EU

Must go through India and Suez canal then over land

Cursed

[untold niche]

India

[potent echo]

Old silk road

[untold niche]

Hello sir do you want to do barter trade

5x cinnamon for 1x gold

Anyway yeah

Voc is stupid

[potent echo]

Nerf

But nerf then all the Chinese negative reviews

[patent jacinth]

VoC needs to be nuked from orbit

[lethal lagoon]

My beloved elden ring, brought low by the CCP

[patent jacinth]

Or have it’s cooldown jumped by a shit ton

[untold niche]

Who's tankier? 4x ogryns or 4x voc vet?

Wow I wonder what the answer is!

[upper sun]

nah ogryn

[patent jacinth]

200 overtoughness says hello

[upper sun]

1 heavy attack is like 60 toughness

[potent echo]

Hand it over, that thing, your overwhelmingly positive

[upper sun]

over toughness isnt even as bad as iron will interactions

90% tdr

[patent jacinth]

What interactions

[lethal lagoon]

Try tian but square

[upper sun]

with always full toughness

[patent jacinth]

I am not above taking iron will on every build

[lethal lagoon]

Plasma Gun + shout unironically makes the game worse than smite, whether they are good or bad.

[upper sun]

same but i am above playing vet

[potent echo]

「砦、夜」

[patent jacinth]

Partially because it also involves taking Born Leader and I am a sucker for support in games

[upper sun]

6000 hours played 5999 at time of review "vet nerf bad"

[potent echo]

Yes

Something about mothers alot of the time too

And grass

[untold niche]

Ogryn can't kill gunnes though. And poxy bursters doesn't affect voc at all

[patent jacinth]

Didn’t vets actually review bomb after the original power sword nerd

[potent echo]

Yes

[upper sun]

tbh i kinda get it

[potent echo]

That's why their vet tree is so good now

[upper sun]

nerfing stuff isnt very nice when crafting is this painful

[untold niche]

Vet should get split into a "team leader" class and "ranged class" with voc going into the "team leader" class

[patent jacinth]

Peak fall asleep on the keyboard build

[upper sun]

imagine they nerf something you spent 50k plasteel on

[potent echo]

Yea they made PC4 basically compulsory

[upper sun]

maaaybe if people could freely change blessings they wouldnt be as mad

[untold niche]

Th3re new class ezpz

[upper sun]

🤷‍♂️

[untold niche]

Meanwhile overwatch be nerfing genji

[spice veldt]

though the caveat was that baseline psword was still one of the best melees back then

[untold niche]

I AM NOT SURPRISED

[spice veldt]

even after the nerf

[untold niche]

Just remove vet and give vet mains an in game cheat trainer

Ez balance

Hassle free

[potent echo]

They already do

But given the fact that I rarely see cheaters anymore either fatshark doing a good job or the cheaters gave up on the game

[untold niche]

Wait how you know someone cheating

[potent echo]

Some were using aimbot

[patent jacinth]

It’s usually pretty obvious

[potent echo]

But aimbot in darktide doesn't help much

[patent jacinth]

Luckily aimbot doesn’t do shit

Because you have to think to fight things

[upper sun]

ive seen @weary crane gameplay on plasma just ban him and plasma would be balanced 💀

[untold niche]

Who's that

[potent echo]

Alot of things are server side so you cant do things like spamming VoC with zero CDR, although you can already do it now without hacking

[upper sun]

but seriously ive only seen a few pgun vets and very VERY few game breaking ones

[untold niche]

Never seen slash noticed cheaters

[upper sun]

its not used often enough even if ts overtuned

[untold niche]

Come to SEA

[potent echo]

More common on client hosted games like helldivers lol

[untold niche]

Especially during p14

[lethal lagoon]

Come to SEA

[weary crane]

Since the survivalist nerf I haven't used it

[upper sun]

no u come to EU where everyone plays ETHICALLY

[potent echo]

There's nothing here, get out

[weary crane]

My new build is more effective

Plasma is boring

[untold niche]

You want to see busted vet loadours run by people who can't dodge dogs

Come to sea.

[potent echo]

Lmao all the vets running plasma peesword

Unironically

[upper sun]

1 bad game a week is fine as opposed to other fps games where everything is bad

[untold niche]

Not much coop fps game tbh

I guess you can go DRG but I jistcsomehow don't find it fun

[upper sun]

bro hasnt seen dead by daylight balance

[untold niche]

Dbd is not fps

[lethal lagoon]

I just remember that word was previously banned

I wonder how it got through

But Ima not risk it

[untold niche]

Dbd not even coop

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

@lethal lagoon wife is banned?

[hearty dagger]

So i ordered some headphone cushions with the cooling gel thingy and they're in provincial transfer

[untold niche]

What word

[hearty dagger]

Anyone have those?

Do they actually work?

[lethal lagoon]

The chair in the corner of the hotel room, what's it's name?

It didn't let me type it before

[upper sun]

yup

[hearty dagger]

The Sneako Chair?

[untold niche]

No but do tell us if it's cool

[upper sun]

gotcha

[lethal lagoon]

Yep

[untold niche]

What like cuk but with an extra c?

[upper sun]

ye

[lethal lagoon]

What kind of narcissism you gotta have to think it's a good idea to admit that to the world.

[untold niche]

Ccuk

[hearty dagger]

It's honestly amazing how you can go damn near anywhere and people will still shit on sneako

[upper sun]

i think its a mix of delusion and copium

sneako would make a good vet main xdddd

[hearty dagger]

Bro tried to cast after 100% peril