psyker-class

[karmic finch]

Look at all the other blitzes in the game.

All of them.

Every one.

Even psykers other two.

None are dependant on a capstone to feel ok.

None require ability use to feel ok.

[hollow current]

BB seems usable with EP and kinetic resonance, but yeah after I was done with the penances I went back to assail lol

[spice veldt]

there are few enemies that are a threat at a long range that need to be absolutely handled

[thorn cedar]

what do you think talent points are for lmao

you are meant to create synergies and yes, some benefit more than others

[spice veldt]

and those few enemies are sufficiently handled by BB

[karmic finch]

What is the point of base BB if you have to invest more to get it to be good in any way

[thorn cedar]

who is using 'base' anything

[karmic finch]

Base smite has a purpose, it can clutch, it can cc while a Res goes off

[thorn cedar]

do all weapons suck unless they work with a naked talent tree?

[spice veldt]

it's "good enough" for patching the weakness up, irregardless of how it stands up to other weapons

and that's all that matters for this discussion

[thorn cedar]

if you only need to kill the occasional 30m away gunner, BB with nothing on it is more than enough unless you literally stand under gunfire

[karmic finch]

Omg are you dense?

All zealot blitzes.

All ogryn blitzes.

Vet gets some buffs but mostly just recovery, and those nodes are easily considered optional.

[thorn cedar]

thats the specific interaction youve put purg under and yeah it turns out, its fine

and yes wow psyker gets mod nodes on their blitzes

that sure is unique

[spice veldt]

you're pivoting this discussion extremely hard into BB for some reason without ever arguing against the fact that you do not need that much DPS to handle enemies that are an actual threat at long ranges

[karmic finch]

Base brain burst is overwhelmed by 2 bombers...

[thorn cedar]

lmao

youre overwhelmed by two bombers?

[spice veldt]

yeah and if they throw so what

[karmic finch]

No you can dodge away or whatever

[spice veldt]

it's pretty often that bombers do throw even with assail

[thorn cedar]

oh man i am

so thankful that the fart bomber

doesnt drop his nade when killed

god that wouldve just

sucked

[spice veldt]

😔

[lyric burrow]

yeah its nice to be able to stop tox bombers even with a stagger

[karmic finch]

But void strike you have killed them both... surge staff and trauma you probably kill them both of you can hit headshots on the first.

Before they throw.

[lunar hollow]

ogryn rock is 4 one shots on specials/some elites on a 45 second timer for one back, the box is 2 one-shots with somewhat okay cc but you require a grenade box to get them back, and the nuke is single use only

[spice veldt]

i'm sure we can make fair one-to-one comparisons!!!

[thorn cedar]

tknife supremacy

[lunar hollow]

"all ogryn blitzes" is just like not true at all

i would categorically put psyker blitzes far above ogryn in every comparison except using the nuke to clear a really bad situation

[hearty oak]

Ok and BB can get them all the same. Just vent or have EP on hand

[karmic finch]

I was arguing they work without points when I said that one.

Because someone defended BB needing more point investment to feel good as being "what points are for" when it's the only case...

[hearty oak]

Or you know

Just dodge their fire

[lunar hollow]

the box is shit, the rock is outperformed by multiple other blitzes

[karmic finch]

Take your capstone and your blitz feels ok is not a defence of the blitz

[lunar hollow]

like the box is probably the worst blitz in the game by far, i would not call it "working"

[lyric burrow]

yeah i dont think box has much competition for that

[spice veldt]

it's an appropriate defense when one of your arguments is that it doesn't have enough DPS to handle situations

and keep in mind that purgatus is not a staff that really needs building around besides taking mettle and whatevs

[lunar hollow]

veteran grenades also vastly increase in utility with certain talents, which is the equivalent of investing points into a keystone if comparing talent points

[hearty oak]

rock Flys through your window with a note attached to it da nez on'e won't mis

[spice veldt]

because we can't just evaluate these things separately

[upper sun]

rocks are comfy

[spice veldt]

we have to evaluate builds as a whole that take BB and purg

[upper sun]

only regenerating blitz i use

[karmic finch]

It's less DPS, it's more just "can it kill X specials before they do their thing"

[lunar hollow]

i don't think you're evaluating this very reasonably at all, especially when other classes are restricted by scarcity

[spice veldt]

that's basically what i was getting at but yes

given that you referred to 2 bombers

[thorn cedar]

shit with BB most specials die the instant they're in LoS

[spice veldt]

i assume that DPS is an important measure for killing multiple enemies quickly

[karmic finch]

Eh, not so much.

Also brain burst does Cc while channeling, which is a plus, but it still takes an age

[spice veldt]

...

[lunar hollow]

you can fuck up and use an immo nade for something relatively pointless like clearing poxwalkers (which shouldnt ever really be something you need to do), and you're just down an immo nade

you get to chain blitz uses constantly or near constantly on psyker

[thorn cedar]

they really are just a third weapon

[lunar hollow]

having kinetic resonance be tied to ult seems bad until you realize psyker ults are low cooldown baseline, it's an extra cost of 1 point, and you get a shit ton of cdr

[thorn cedar]

also nobody is gonna defend flayer

[lunar hollow]

this looks like you found you don't like bb (i don't either) and worked backwards to figure out why it's shit rather than objectively evaluating what you can do with it

[spice veldt]

and if you need to stagger a bomber from throwing a nade with BB immediately and you know that your cast won't finish, you can always do the RMB LMB trick if you ever need it

[hearty oak]

I use flayer. On a gunner build

[radiant frigate]

gunker 🤢

[hearty oak]

Just cause I can single out targets

[thorn cedar]

yea but its a shit node for the blitz cause yknow it doesn't actually improve you using it its just some weird side shit its doing

[spice veldt]

i can not believe somebody is making me defend BB

i hate BB and i refuse to be a part of this conversation even longer

[upper sun]

gunker is just a worse vet with better burst dps

[tired estuary]

just hit the bricks and walk away

[karmic finch]

Smite works without it, but gets a new playstyle with EP.

Assail works without it, but gets slightly more efficient with EP.

BB needs either KR or EP to work nicely, and otherwise is a really slow way to take out one special, which is handy in a pinch, but otherwise agonisingly inefficient.

[lunar hollow]

kinetic resonance is an upgrade node

that's exactly 1 point spent

[karmic finch]

Base BB needs a buff, the boots to BB needs to be toned down

[hollow current]

vet doesn't have mkiv

[lunar hollow]

do you know what other blitzes categorically require an upgrade node to be considered good

[karmic finch]

And your ability

[lunar hollow]

vet blitzes

[upper sun]

vet has pee

[karmic finch]

It's a point, and an ability cast

[lunar hollow]

ults are not scarce, it is not a huge opportunity cost

you're overstating this massively

[spice veldt]

assail OwO

[thorn cedar]

10s on a double shield no less

[lyric burrow]

🤨

[karmic finch]

Assail has amazing points right by it that are just passive

[lunar hollow]

warp charges reduce ult cdr, psykinetic aura in a game where elites/specials spawn out the ass, and the -10% cdr nodes

[karmic finch]

Why couldn't BB get that

[upper sun]

assail is mid

[hollow current]

yeah i agree assail without DD or empowered is anemic in damnation.

[upper sun]

look at me with my shitty flying throwing knives wowowowo

[lunar hollow]

because not every character option is designed to function the same way

[spice veldt]

great throwing knives

[upper sun]

i dont care how good they are theyre not that fun to use

[tired estuary]

stop insulting my sharp j/o crystals please

[spice veldt]

sure

[lunar hollow]

ults are super free, it's hardly a consideration on when to use them unless you're using scriers at 90% peril with warp weapons

[thorn cedar]

throwing knives are mid without ranged backstab node (fact)

[spice veldt]

and you should learn to separate your dislike of something from their actual performance

[karmic finch]

A blitz shouldn't need that much investment to function.

The Box example isn't lacking because you don't take the right points to buff it, it's just shit. Like smoke too lol

[lyric burrow]

yeah you can not like assail but it is undeniably broken as shit

[upper sun]

bruh thats implied

[karmic finch]

But BB gets defended because the option exists, and people are ok with it

[upper sun]

what highschool debate class is this

[lunar hollow]

the widely considered good vet blitzes require grenade regen

[spice veldt]

you just called them mid and shitty

[thorn cedar]

no its the funny logic

[spice veldt]

what implication is there to read

mf

[upper sun]

yeah

[lunar hollow]

the availability of them skyrockets from a single talent

[spice veldt]

it gets defended because it's "good enough" for the job it's needed

[karmic finch]

My argument is that "you need to do XYZ to make this ability strong" being bad design is not adequately countered by "yeah but if you take XYZ it's really strong"

[thorn cedar]

BB needs like 50% more carapace damage

[spice veldt]

you are reading too much into BB when you keep comparing it to other weapons

[thorn cedar]

or whatever number that would let it pop Maulers in one with everything

[spice veldt]

because psyker has another main weapon that can fill in the DPS gap if you ever need it

[lunar hollow]

but then you used examples that are wrong

[spice veldt]

and you can just keep BB in your back pocket to handle just the enemies that are a threat at long ranges

[lunar hollow]

there are bad blitzes, and there are ones on other classes that require certain talents to be better

[thorn cedar]

and people really sleep on the utility of being able to precast BB

[lunar hollow]

brainburst also already directly outcompetes ogryn rocks 1:1 with no point investment, hell even krak grenades really

[spice veldt]

it's bad in the sense that its DPS certainly is eh and it has the initial delay, but in terms of filling in a role in a build, is does its job well enough

[karmic finch]

In AM that's hardly a plus when you need to take out a bomber that spawned while under pressure in melee

[spice veldt]

BB is one of THE weapons for that though

because you can just dodge and not have to worry about aiming

[lyric burrow]

i would say there is some competition with kraks, but its comparable

[karmic finch]

No, it's revolver...

Revolver is THE weapon for that

[lunar hollow]

the baseline implication i would assume for someone versed in high difficulty content is that you can use ranged weapons while avoiding melee damage

[spice veldt]

i said "one of"

[lunar hollow]

without talent investments to buff kraks? no fuckin shot dude

[spice veldt]

if you're comparing it to other guns where you have to maintain your ironsight on them

[upper sun]

BB is fine the second upgrade needs to be reworked into something else thats

[lunar hollow]

you don't even one shot bulwarks

you get two

absolutely not lmao

[spice veldt]

then yes I would consider BB one of the weapons for that

[lyric burrow]

oh if you mean just base then yeah

[thorn cedar]

it is insanely not hard to sprint slide or dodge out of danger precasting BB

[lunar hollow]

brainburst blows baseline kraks OUT of the water

[thorn cedar]

i legit sprint slide right at the gunners

[upper sun]

you shouldnt oneshot bulwarks even with EP stacks

[spice veldt]

"having to dal with enemies at a long range while being pressured in melee" is one of the situations where BB exactly excels at

[lyric burrow]

i did not process the point investment part

[lunar hollow]

a v a i l a b i l i t y

infinite brainbursts

1 tick of quelling when peril capped to use them again

kraks need certain +damage nodes on top of grenade regen to be worth taking

[karmic finch]

Baseline crak with no buff is just an anti monster tool, if you aren't taking the regen then you usually just have another answer to crushers and bulwarks, like the plasma gun.

Keeping the nades to toss at a slug in a narrow corridor though? Still Hella useful

[upper sun]

BB is legit fine maybe some very very slight flak buffs to it oneshots flak ragers with ep at high peril but thats it

[radiant frigate]

is the bb slander still going

[spice veldt]

and, like i said before, if you need a bomber to drop their nade right there and then, you can just do the RMB + LMB trick

it's just that easy

[tired estuary]

wdym anti monster tool it does fuckall dmg to monstrosities now lol

[upper sun]

arco nerf josho buff me its fine

[lunar hollow]

krak boss damage got nerfed pretty hard in the explosive damage to monstrosities change a while ago, it performs a niche role at best without talent investments

[spice veldt]

just spam RMB + LMB to exploit the fact that R-click deals the stagger at the start and not at the midpoint

[thorn cedar]

yea you need three other talents for Kraks to really delete monsters

[radiant frigate]

?? it is still reliable damage

[lunar hollow]

also ults too

[thorn cedar]

and nodes for those ults

[lunar hollow]

stealth has an upgrade node for 30% damage upon leaving + the two that buff damage baseline

[radiant frigate]

one of the few things that can kill bonbon from the front

[lyric burrow]

its reliable damage but unless you need stagger probably not worth a nade

[lunar hollow]

that's three extra points on top of the others

[spice veldt]

kraks for monstrosities is p much for stagger, which hinges on having on having a good anti-monster weapon on your other slots

[tired estuary]

its way less than it used to be

[upper sun]

they're still good damage too

[spice veldt]

which means that wow we have to consider how weapons in our other slots patches up the weaknesses of a weapon in one slot

[spice veldt]

a krak is 2-3 psword swings

mf what damage

[lyric burrow]

wym you dont just use your blitz

[thorn cedar]

i play darktide in a vacuum

[upper sun]

yeah but from fucking orbit

[radiant frigate]

inconceivable

[upper sun]

wait

thats without upgrade right?

[spice veldt]

3.2k w/o upgrade, and 4.8k with upgrade

so, 2-3 psword swings

[marble crater]

When you are finished with BB, can you talk about Smite next?

[upper sun]

yeah

[karmic finch]

Base BB just needs a buff, to be faster, but still not as fast (by a long way compared to both boosts) as the boosted BB.

That's all I'm asking for.

Just tune up base BB by 30% and swap KR to +45%, EP to +35% whatever.

BB is too fucking slow when standing alone.

[upper sun]

its not bad

you dont have to be in range

[spice veldt]

yeah, but its primary role is just dealing stagger

[tired estuary]

nerf bb imo lets increase the discourse

[spice veldt]

and making use of the opening to dump damage onto them with your other weapons

[upper sun]

the delay is kind of an issue for that tho

[lunar hollow]

yeah that's reasonable

[upper sun]

if a teammate gets grabbed do you shout or throw a genade?

[spice veldt]

because kraks alone is not taking down a monstrosity

i mean either works

obviously if you have a shout then you should use that

• the fact that shout is on a shorter CD

[upper sun]

breaking them out of combos/pogryn rush theyre great for that

[radiant frigate]

change brain burst to variable cast time based on enemy health

[upper sun]

[karmic finch]

Like my god my takes might sound aggressive but when that's all I'm asking for and people are going "no you make 0 sense and BB is fine, and good, and OP even" I'm kinda annoyed

[upper sun]

shout being the pinnacle of balance as always

[karmic finch]

I want BB to be buffed

[lyric burrow]

this i can agree with, it can be kinda slow with competent players on your team

[spice veldt]

because you are completely misunderstanding my point

[thorn cedar]

i just take my krak out and inspect it in front of the crushers as an intimidation play

[karmic finch]

Because it's shit design right now

[spice veldt]

because we were arguing about purg builds no?

[radiant frigate]

let's have a 5 year long cast that evaporates bosses on completion

[spice veldt]

and the BB argument was just an extension of that

[lunar hollow]

i take issue with your examples in your favor being wildly unrepresentative of how other blitzes play, and the way you talked about BB did not sound like a realistic analysis

[spice veldt]

obviously BB should be buffed but who the fuck disagrees with that

[upper sun]

IDEAL PURGE BUILD

[thorn cedar]

kinetic flayer is a fucking joke

[karmic finch]

Purge build is affected by BB build, they impact each other.

A buff to BB might make warp charge purge better, while right now if you take that you are entirely dependant on KR.

For instance.

[spice veldt]

but i am saying it's "Good enough"

man i am repeating it so much

[upper sun]

needs to be reworked so it makes BB target only elites/specials/monsters

[spice veldt]

that enemies that are a threat at long range are few in number

and that the DPS you need up close is then provided by purg

[thorn cedar]

the thing you are perceiving to be an inescapable detriment is not so

[spice veldt]

i am consistently reiterating the fact that BB good enough to handle the weaknesses of purg

because that has been the point of the argument so far, no?

whether it can patch up the weaknesses of purg

[thorn cedar]

no it needs to be removed lmao. give us a talent that actually affects using BB instead of a thing that uses BB (key difference)

[spice veldt]

and i say that it is more than sufficient for that

[upper sun]

who said its not good enough?

[spice veldt]

googlygoink

scroll up

[upper sun]

whats the other option? assail? what are you gonna do with bulwarks/crusher/monsters?

[spice veldt]

crushers/monsters can be handled with DS4

[karmic finch]

But my point is, it's not.

In AM it just isn't.

I called it C tier.

Not completely unusable.

But at that point your allies are gonna be under more stress to take out certain specials because you realistically can't. Especially under heavy pressure.

While a plasma gun vet can.

A revolver zealot can.

Like half the ogryn guns too lol, even the one shot shotgun is good at range that the purgatus can't reach.

And the other psyker staves can too.

[spice veldt]

bulwarks are more painful but can still be handled with the special poke and if they're not too numerous or if you can bait your team into it

[upper sun]

bulwarks with a force sword but still

[thorn cedar]

youre not very good with brainburst

[upper sun]

id rather have BB and deflector if im playing purge

[thorn cedar]

is i think my ultimate conclusion

[spice veldt]

so, in my eyes, bulwarks are the only big glaring weakness of a purg/assail build

[spice veldt]

yeah but purg has the stagger for the specials that are a threat up close

[upper sun]

you gotta pick weaknesses without it if you go deimos you have a monster problem

[karmic finch]

Play AM purgatus without KR or EP.

And tell me the base ability couldn't use some buffs.

Even just running KR you will struggle when you don't have the ability to use, and in AM the pressure will be constant for minutes at a time

[spice veldt]

kickback is also not something that we should be using as a comparison

[thorn cedar]

nobody disagrees it could be buffed dude

[spice veldt]

if you actively ignore the build options that fill in for BB's weaknesses, then yeah it'll be and feel pretty shit

[karmic finch]

You are refuting my points 100%...

[upper galleon]

honestly BR is like smite, too reliant on the keystone, also i don't think it's bad,

[spice veldt]

the point is that you don't have to make some wild build decision to take those talents

[upper sun]

you really shouldnt play BB without KR at the very least

[spice veldt]

and that you can just patch those weaknesses up fairly easily

[lunar hollow]

every psyker ult is on what, a 30 second cooldown baseline? "minutes of pressure" would have multiple uses of KR

[upper galleon]

it's out of meta, the game doesn't support individual single target pops

[spice veldt]

you keep exploring things in a vacuum

[lunar hollow]

if you're using purg, you probably have a good single target weapon

[upper sun]

idk i think its fine as is

[lunar hollow]

and you can melee a surprisingly large number of specialists

[thorn cedar]

its just funny to hear you say its useless when for a solid year purg + bb was essentially the default build and i assure you psykers were not getting demolished by very common hurdles

[spice veldt]

so tragic

[upper galleon]

i think it could be adjusted, some power taken out in optional places and put in the main ability

[thorn cedar]

i was there, march of 2022. four psykers ran into a single trapper and all died helplessly.

[upper sun]

you were in the wrong place then

[thorn cedar]

i was the trapper

[upper sun]

nice

[upper galleon]

just because you both came to the same conclusion does not mean they agree with your points

[karmic finch]

Like half the time you'd have KR available yeah, but when I say minutes of pressure I was more meaning, you can pop it to deal with the first couple of bombers etc. but if another lot spawn in 10s later you don't have it. And have to lean on your team.

Which again, isnt enough to make this unviable, but is enough to make it C tier.

[thorn cedar]

again we didnt have KR before

and BB would handle that scenario just fine

[upper galleon]

uhh, we have cdr aura and cdr on kill

[spice veldt]

yeah, but the specials that NEED to be dealt with at a long range are just not that many

[upper sun]

i dont think a blitz should have that much power without upgrades

[lunar hollow]

specialists spawn in waves, realistically if you combine KR with any of the ult cooldown options you'll have it available plenty often

[upper sun]

out of all the things in the game that need buffs BB isnt exactly one of them

[thorn cedar]

i really think you just suck with brainburst and that's fine it's not super worth learning anyway

[lunar hollow]

i have 2500 hours in this game, the most competitive stat between me and people below my skill level is specialists because you just have to deal with them regardless of role

[thorn cedar]

for a solid year we had no other option

[karmic finch]

We literally just got another one, with even more area denial (though way slower DPS)

[upper sun]

smokes/stuns/grenade boxes need buffs far more so than BB

[upper galleon]

i think psykers issue for both the community and balance team is THAT PSYKER IS A SPACE WIZARD, let their blitz be more show-off cause they don't have typical nades they are magic space wizard

[spice veldt]

even for a lot of specials you can just play into melee and make use of purg for stagger

[lyric burrow]

id honsetly advocate for it even

most of them explode to melee

[upper sun]

other classes have cool stuff too

[spice veldt]

except that the new bomber does not drop their nade midway like the scab bomber, and BB is good for taking care of bombers if you're at a chokepoint and the bomber is throwing nades from a place where it is hard to reach

[thorn cedar]

bombers hate this one trick (getting punched)

[karmic finch]

Gonna be honest, I gave the game the classic fatshark treatment on launch. "It will be playable a year after launch" and I was pretty much right...

[upper galleon]

psyker blitz is always going to be incomparable to the limited nades the other class has besides throwing knife and rock

[upper sun]

psykers hate this one trick (getting kicked)

nerf kicks fr fr

[spice veldt]

if you are in a position where you can consecutively snipe down multiple bombers with many weapons, you are probably not in a particularly threatening position

[thorn cedar]

can anyone explain what the fuck is up with the flamers kicks? why do i feel like they hit at light speed

[upper galleon]

let psyker be a cool wizard like assail needed a nerf way back when but some people were insane anti psyker blitz being used as an actual weapon

[thorn cedar]

they constantly baffle me

[spice veldt]

and the addition of the new bomber still does not change the fact that there aren't many enemies that NEED to be handled beyond purg's range

[upper galleon]

did you know snipers and flamers can be distracted captured rejects who will kick the tied up reject

[lyric burrow]

its wack

[thorn cedar]

they kick so fast that the air blows me away before they even swing their stupid boot out

[lyric burrow]

they are fast and a bit weird to dodge

and are spammable

and launch you

arco has witnessed me get memede

[thorn cedar]

if you go down in kick range of a Flamer youre done

the fire is safer

[upper sun]

@thorn cedar
#psyker-class message
look at this kick by a pox bomber i think

[spice veldt]

emotional damage

[lunar hollow]

the best is snipers who hide around corners and try to kung fu kick you the moment you turn said corner

[spice veldt]

your family is disappointed, and you can no longer bear going back to the mourningstar

[lunar hollow]

theyre sick of people killing them before they can get the shot off

[lyric burrow]

i have a very distinct memory of the sniper kick happening to me

it was like a dark souls ambush

[thorn cedar]

"theyll never expect me here ... OR MY DROP KICK!"

-dies out of sight to a smiker-

[upper sun]

like either knockback or crazy damage why are kicks this fucking hard

brauto gun bashes dont do that much damage

staff bash does like what? 40 damage?

[thorn cedar]

they actually have funny unarmored damage

[lunar hollow]

u can/could make them one shot groaners when bm still worked on ranged weapons

you had to use an ult for it iirc

[thorn cedar]

yeee

[spice veldt]

of course you would know this degeneracy

[thorn cedar]

its the only way to be

[upper sun]

yeah lemme just zealot charge into a crusher and hit him with the back of my gun

[thorn cedar]

degenerate

[karmic finch]

It's all well and good saying "get behind cover" or whatever but situations go to shit.

There might be a slug in that cover.

And you need a way to take out those 3 snipers at the end of the hallway you just got forced into by the slug.

Etc etc.

I'm not calling it unviable, I'm saying it's C tier. Do I have to say this like 50 more times before people get this point...

Other weapons, other builds, deal with situations while keeping build flexibility etc that BB, and purgatus BB in particular, cannot.

[spice veldt]

probably shroudfield gaming

[spice veldt]

what cover did i speak about

mf i am specifically avoiding talking about getting into cover because i think that's a bad example that i've seen used by people who defend BB

and i never said that you said it was unviable

[karmic finch]

I dunno, when you say things like "you don't really need to take them out at long range" the answer is usually just use cover, kite somewhere else etc etc.

[spice veldt]

i am specifically arguing your C-tier classification

because I think it's an A-tier option

[spice veldt]

i've said it many times that the DPS is sufficient to handle them

i.e., you can kill them before they're going to be a major threat

can you fucking read

i've repeated the fact that the DPS is good enough to kill the three specials (snipers, scab/dreg bombers) that are a threat at long range

and purg BB is more than flexible enough

taking EP is a fairly trivial investment given that it's also the cheapest keystone in any practical build since warp rider is a mandatory pick

[thorn cedar]

tier lists are d-tier

[karmic finch]

But like, didn't you say earlier that you thought void strike was better? Is that because you think voidstrike is S and purge is A?

I consider the build options being forced enough to downgrade it a tier, you clearly don't, that's fine.

[spice veldt]

the existence of better weapons does not make a weapon shit

and second, i never said the voidstrrike was better

[upper sun]

bruh EP with warpsiphon as fat as it is kinda the only choice

[spice veldt]

if anyone said it, it wasn't me

[karmic finch]

Do I need to define tier lists now...

[rigid sky]

Warp Siphon isn't bad though

[spice veldt]

yeah but voidstrike was S-tier no?

and tier lists are still discrete bins

[rigid sky]

Shrieking a lot is really good

[spice veldt]

and these discrete bins can still have some ranking in between them

e.g., you can put some things in B tier that have some clear advantages/disadvantages over another item

[upper sun]

im not saying its bad but taking the BB upgrade+wildfire+PC kinda locks you out of a lot of good stuff

[spice veldt]

since tier lists are inherently discrete bins

[rigid sky]

In a game like darktide it's a bit blurrier though

[rigid sky]

I drop wildfire for purgatus tbh

[spice veldt]

voidstrike and purg both have strengths and weaknesses

[rigid sky]

The sucky part is dropping 5% crit and Kinetic deflection

[upper sun]

i legit have no idea what wilfire even does if anything

[spice veldt]

and i consider purg's strengths very strrong and weaknesses easily covered enough to be put into A-tier

[rigid sky]

I like it on Blaze Trauma

[spice veldt]

even if it has some obvious disadvtanges compared to other A-tier options

[rigid sky]

But my build is EP

[upper sun]

warpsiphon purge and EP trauma is not the way 😭

[thorn cedar]

recon II is probably the only thing I'd call C tier

[rigid sky]

You prefer the other way around huh?

[upper sun]

ye

[rigid sky]

I might swap the builds over tbh

[lyric burrow]

its so sad

[thorn cedar]

in our library

[lyric burrow]

why does it have the worst ADMs

for the least DPS

[thorn cedar]

dunno lmao

[rigid sky]

I'm open to try the other way around

But I gotta say EP trauma feels pretty good

[upper sun]

recon/shredder/taxe/pmaul need love

[karmic finch]

I placed trauma at the top, as it handles the most situations of any staff.

Then voidstrike and surge.

Then purgatus, B tier.

As it either struggles with armor and monsters (assail) or with BB tree issues. So I knock it down to C from B.

That's ultimately my logic.

[thorn cedar]

taxe is fine

[rigid sky]

I wanted it as an excuse to have a shield build too tbh

[lyric burrow]

oh yeah AP is usable but

not impressive

[upper sun]

taxe 4 is alright but idk

[lyric burrow]

taxe 4 is hands down the worst one

[upper sun]

its supid fun as a weapon but it feels like a worse rashad

am i thinking of 4 or 2?

idk i dont play them much

[lyric burrow]

4 is overhead into uppercut

[lunar hollow]

taxe4 is the worst weapon in the game. it has the same damage on heavies as the 7/2 but has worse animations

[spice veldt]

my logic is that purg only lacks the ability to stagger bulwarks/crushers compared to trauma, and the long range option is trivially covered my assail/BB

[rigid sky]

4 is cleaving lights

[spice veldt]

therefore, purg is only one rank below trauma

because purg is still going to wipe the floor with any elite patrol that doesn't involve crushers or bulwarks

[lyric burrow]

4 also cant use BM

[upper sun]

idk i just feel that rashad is just better so i never play taxes

not better gameplay wise handling wise

[rigid sky]

Taxes feel pretty close to usable

[upper sun]

theyre really fun

[rigid sky]

The special combos feel very silly

[lunar hollow]

taxe2 is viable i think, 7 as well but a bit more finnicky

the 4 is pure sadness

[rigid sky]

Isn't 7 bugged

[spice veldt]

yeah the lights with attack speed

[rigid sky]

Like some of its attacks have no hit boxes

[lunar hollow]

the light animation bug requires too much attack speed

[spice veldt]

i think you can get it with just fury

[lunar hollow]

unsure

[spice veldt]

i'm p sure i ran taxe7 on a piety build and still experienced it

[upper sun]

speaking of finky animations am i the only one bothered by sprint combo cancelling on some weapons?

[lunar hollow]

all or nothing bm taxe w/ piety for scab rager one shots in perfect conditions

[upper sun]

it hurts on ironhelm and crusher

not so bad on other weapons

[spice veldt]

don't talk to me ever again

[lunar hollow]

crusher isn't actually affected by it in a meaningful way

[upper sun]

all or nothing+stamina talent on zealot is very based

[lyric burrow]

Nah this is based

[lunar hollow]

arguably tbh sprint canceling might be better for h1 repeating which is ur best option for dps vs lots of elites

[spice veldt]

josho doesn't deserve defending

[lunar hollow]

ironhelm's chaining is completely fucked

[lyric burrow]

He does in this case

[upper sun]

it bugs the fuck out of me on ironhelm

[lunar hollow]

it's so annoying if you want to do anything remotely interesting with it

[lyric burrow]

Remember i attempted for like a week to make taxe 4 work on psyker

[upper sun]

going from heavy2 to the sprint heavy is so akward and you lose all your thrust stacks

[lunar hollow]

the whole moveset needs some looking at because there's a bunch of cases where it falls apart in dumb ways

[lyric burrow]

I must defend funny taxe builds

[upper sun]

it works fine on some weapons tho so i dont get why its an issue

evi doesnt have that problem

[lunar hollow]

special l1 loops back to the regular l1 if you dared to mix activated attacks with regular ones to avoid the shitty l1's awful damage

[upper sun]

aside from heavy2 charge time being stupidly longer than heavy1

[lunar hollow]

lots of weapons with identical heavies have a longer swing delay on the h2

[plucky flax]

AM purga?

[lunar hollow]

happens on stuff like mk5 shovel for ogryn as well

[upper sun]

just dont play ogryn its that easy

[thorn cedar]

taxes really want extra attack speed, and psyker has none

[upper sun]

there are only two classes in this game

[tired estuary]

there's actually 4

[upper sun]

zealot and psyker

[thorn cedar]

best boy
shouty small
sparky small
shooty small

[tired estuary]

you forgot about veteran and ogryn

[plucky flax]

Oh auric maelstrom?

I play purga with base BB and no EP yes.

[karmic finch]

Adding crushers and voidstrike does fine.

Add crushers and bulwarks and surge still does fine.

And again, run assail and you keep that weakness. Run BB and you are locked into a very specific tree. I seem to put more weight on those issues than you do, which is fair enough everyone has different priorities when building.

I would say surge is the most fun staff for me, and purge 2nd, I generally go for assail and ds4 the crushers, but bulwarks are always a pain as then you need an ally or to wait for their animation which is dependent on them not being a clown car full of ragers.

[plucky flax]

Just simply ask teammates to kill specials for you. Then you don't need fast bb with purga.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1200915958181675069/image.png?ex=6671fca4&is=6670ab24&hm=e58f7e34b93b7958b2822ef177e1875c3c46f78ef01355f4fb4819eedbb6fa95&

[karmic finch]

Stop talking up every build bar burn trauma, I see your game

[plucky flax]

Oh I hate blaze trauma.

Worst build ever.

[karmic finch]

Truly awful

😮

[plucky flax]

Surge creeping flames is honestly best psyker build (no meme)

(imo)

(pls no flame)

(no meme blaze trauma is 2nd best)

[karmic finch]

It is

Most fun too

The peril yo-yo build

[plucky flax]

I find blaze more fun.

But it's a bit too taxing to play.

Peril management + flicking hurt da wrist.

[karmic finch]

Surge has a big pro of latching the shot then checking behind you XD

[plucky flax]

I can make surge more fun with blitz cancel I guess but I am lazy and it's so OP I don't need to do micro techs to slay the map.

[spice veldt]

sure, but purg is more consistently dealing with non-bulwark/crusher patrols quite quickly because of the infinite cleave, and when you kill everything around them, that makes deealing with them easier

[plucky flax]

Purga can deal with bulwarks very well with their shield nerf. :>

[spice veldt]

it has clear strengths and clear disadvantages but i'd still put it in A tier

[thorn cedar]

i counter your dual dreg rager and shotgun patrol with left click for 100 peril

your move, AI director

[plucky flax]

Just aim above the head and the cloud would clip the big dummy ogryns.

[spice veldt]

damn that works

[plucky flax]

Yeah check it in meatgrinder quickly mate.

Bulwarks is a joke against purga/flamer.

[lyric burrow]

Is A tier the top or is S

[upper sun]

ogryn can even attack from above the shield as well

[plucky flax]

Just shoot the air Xd

[karmic finch]

Top is SSS, we skip SS, and SSS is inhabited by only ciag

[upper sun]

bulwarks are now FUN i cnat believe it took them this long

[karmic finch]

Until it gets a nerf lol

Which other than the ammo aura nerf was untouched last balance pass

Fatshark are clearly ok with it...

[upper sun]

ciag is very weak pls buff

[hollow current]

double it's rof and quadruple it's mag and ammo reserve

[karmic finch]

Tbh, if you have a team that can handle it, optimal lol

[final sparrow]

any advice on how smite is supposed to be used? I always feel really underpowered when i try to use it

or does smite only get good late game

[plucky flax]

Illisi surge smite.

If you play creeping flames build you don't even touch smite. Maybe once a game in extreme situation. If you play ep smite then you spamm smite and creeping flames and roflstomping.

Though not as hard as warp charges creeping flames spam.

Oh wait you're early level. Just play with assail until 30!

More important to just get to max level then enjoy the real game.

[final sparrow]

yeah im like level 8 lol the words you initially said sounded like another language

[plucky flax]

Don't worry about build just have fun if you want to. Or if your goal is to get to 30 then use assail and the 2 sub talents, then play the hardest difficulty you can and get to 30.

[karmic finch]

On ep you spam it until you run out of EP charges, then use whatever till you get it back, I actually just use a good ol' kantraal las, as that's a reliable way to tap down specials and stuff and is great at long range.

On non EP builds that take smite you use it as a panic button, 7 ragers whaling on your buddy?

A pack of maulers and crushers got you in a corner?

Dog pack coming?

Use it then, if your other tools are overwhelmed.

Vs dog pack it's a good tool regardless, just erases that condition from the mission lol.

[hearty oak]

This is what i use for purge staff with my beloved BB. Wildfire and unlucky for some are just throw away talents that can be used for naything else

[haughty star]

could this be good as a supplemental perk to uncanny?

[hearty oak]

It be better with rampage on illisi imo

dont know how it is with uncanny

[hardy raft]

dont think anyone uses that

people usually use slaughterer i think since you can usually instakill a horde enemy and illisi excelsl at horde

[ornate hamlet]

illussy my beloved

[narrow herald]

i prefer seer's 😔

[edgy heart]

Does quietitude trigger on passive quelling? Or is it only on manual quelling

[spice veldt]

triggers on passive as well

and by battle meditation and venting shriek as well

[analog agate]

I dont understand how anyone can play DD right now when you can't tell your stacks. Fucking frustrating

[restive ice]

i never checked my stacks lol

[bold cape]

i just kill 5 blues at the beginning, then one more once in a while, all with headshots
and assume im at 15 stacks

it is hella annoying tho tbh

usually restarting and reconnecting fixes it for me

[hardy raft]

sometimes it goes to show

just assume 15~10

[spice veldt]

if you run 10 seconds with the +2 headshot, then you're p much always on 10+ stacks

since 10 seconds is very playable even w/o +2

though i can't say since i don't have this issue since i have my buffs separated and some disabled w/ a mod

[bold cape]

id use priority buffs but there ain’t no way im looking through 500 pages of icons trying to find the ones i need

[spice veldt]

the search bar helps along

you'll find DD easily by searching "psyker"

[bold cape]

unfortunately the actual names are totally different from the in-game names
couldnt find focus target when i first got the mod

just wish they could be searched by in game names/similar

[restive ice]

i think it's improved_tag

[analog agate]

Yeah, I also think I jsut hate DD haha. Any playstyle that you use it with I can't stand. I also think I hate void now. Can't stand the low charge rate and lack of carapace killing potential of mauler/crusher packs compared to trauma/my surge build

[restive ice]

i just searched by vet and found the icon in the middle of that filtered list

[bold cape]

thanks
might redownload it and just search by character, try that way

[bold cape]

lack of carapace killing potential? are you insane? surge voidstrike is absolutely insane

[spice veldt]

search "pysker" and it'll show up as one of the options

"psyker" is all you need

[analog agate]

Compared to my trauma? Yeah, void isn't good

Especially up close

[spice veldt]

"psyker" is one of the words in the name of DD

[restive ice]

and i think it's marked_enemies_passive_bonus if you don't want to look through the list

[analog agate]

YAY! I can kill one crusher in a one shot! Oh NO! I have 15 more on my ass now with my slow charge rate on my void

[bold cape]

tbf trauma is the best staff in the game
but void still shreds, easily 2nd best

also ds4 still trivializes crusher packs

[analog agate]

Yeah, but then why use a void honestly. At least, built for carapace stuff. Besides just memeing

[bold cape]

because maybe you don’t want to constantly be using the best setup in the game and want some variety

void is still really good

[spice veldt]

mfs when anything that isn't the absolute best exists

[analog agate]

I also think the meta isn't serving void right now. Meta being move fast fast fast.

[spice veldt]

they fixed that with void though

you can sprint slide with void nowadays

and you can always run assail if you want damage on the move

and it's still a very good weapon

[analog agate]

Yeah I am. I just don't like assail play. Just not for me. I'll just stick to surge/trauma staves

[spice veldt]

just because you don't use the absolute best weapons doesn't mean that you're meming

the existence of better weapons does not make a weapon bad

or just for "memes"

[analog agate]

I meant a surge/nexus void. It really is kinda just to get that ult dmg stuff

Or building it for carapace stuff. For slower play I can see it. That just isn't high level play atm

[spice veldt]

you're inevitably going to be in situations where you do have to hold out

unless you're referring to speedruns

then of course it's not optimal

but that applies to a lot of weapons

and speedrunning isn't the sole criteria

[analog agate]

Not with a trauma

[spice veldt]

breh

alright so you're just stupid

i'm out

[analog agate]

That's me, stupid

Also, when you are with zoom zoom zealots no you aren't holding out. At least in most pub games, people are just moving forward

[bold cape]

arco w

[analog agate]

Hey, arco plays his way. I play mine

[honest robin]

[lethal lagoon]

I think he also thought EP smite shriek was a bad build

[analog agate]

no i didnt

[lethal lagoon]

Oh okay, I was thining of a different mouse profile picture. My bad.

There's a lot of them honestly

#psyker-class message

[analog agate]

Yeah, I literally said it is good. But ain't the god build you are making it out to be

[spice veldt]

voidstrike aside, i do play quickly

cuz i run the assail that you dislike

[analog agate]

Yeah, I main beef was just with void

[spice veldt]

i called you stupid because my point was that you would be calling a lot of weapons a meme, and then you decide to retort with "but trauma"

[analog agate]

Mostly the slow charge rate. I am too used to trauma/sruge

[hardy raft]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1251939934588375070/1715087828_new_PerishFelvidek.gif

[spice veldt]

i can only tolerate one bad-faith arguer in psyker chat once a day

i only have so much gum to chew through

[thorn cedar]

i like smite

[edgy heart]

It's a fun game

[analog agate]

I was replying with the trauma about the holding out... You also dont have to hold out witha knife/surge build

[spice veldt]

my point was about scenarios where you're going to be charging down and having to kill enemies

but if speedrunning is your sole criteria, then that just completely changes things

if that's your only criteria by which things are a meme and aren't

it's fine to play that way, but i hope you realize that using your experience to narrowly define what is a meme and is something i have problems with

[honest robin]

big news everyone

brunt is offering me the chance to roll a superior meme roll CIAG

as you can see the stat is meaningless

more than stability even

[analog agate]

speed running probably is the criteria atm for pub play. At least in the 100 or so hours in the last 3-4 weeks I have played

[honest robin]

time to let hadron go jokaero on it

the pub play criteria is comfortable clearing imo

[spice veldt]

for you perhaps

but most of my games are comfortably in the 20-30 minute range

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think he's refering to a "fast pub clear" as speedrunning.

[honest robin]

20-30 is what i'd call a normal game yeah

[spice veldt]

i don't see many pub players blitzing through and i'm not doing that as well

[honest robin]

less than 20 im surprised and more than 30 im usually annoyed already

[spice veldt]

excise vault 😔

[honest robin]

i've had some 40 minute excise vaults

fuck you hadron im going in one more

specialists its over

[restive ice]

the butthole poker ciag

[analog agate]

My entire post was just a personal prefernce post. I don't like void because of the slow charge rate and lack of what I would want it to do. I like playing with staves that I can play fast with in middle of hordes. Which is surge and trauma because of the fast charge rates. I will take back my meme comment

[bold cape]

also i dont see very many people speedrunning, like at all
i play only auric damnation and usually people take their time finding materials, they dont go slow but they don't just run through the mission either
sometimes i meet a speedrun zealot, usually they run ahead, aggro everything onto us and more than likely end up dead/leaving

[analog agate]

don't know. but it happens a lot in my games

but then again.... maybe it is because I am killing shit quickly. So that is the rhythm

[bold cape]

and maybe id use a trauma if the crafting wasnt the worst ive ever seen

[analog agate]

maybe next week

[bold cape]

surely it'll be good

at least melk is kind enough to stock dogshit so i dont have to play

[ornate hamlet]

They call it trauma staff because that's what you go through to get a good one

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lurking-gif-22179921

[honest robin]

release the crafting devlog...

[hardy raft]

surge trauma

its 7 days left and no devlog

im starting to get worried about it being delayed

[analog agate]

I feel on one of their carnival updates it the blog was a few days before it

[stone totem]

how tf does that work on a staff

[eager token]

prob the same way chained attacks work for flurry

i have never tested or used that blessing tbh

[hardy raft]

its gonna be funny if it only works for lclick

alright

pruga staff

nexus + what blessing

[eager token]

flurry

[sacred crane]

always nexus + flurry

[hardy raft]

flurry seems not that much worth

[sacred crane]

there are no other good blessings on the purg staff

[hardy raft]

thers like 4

and i feel like outside of nexus nothing really matters

[analog agate]

Hence, flurry

[sacred crane]

so use flurry with nexus, every other blessing sucks

[hardy raft]

tried runngun

was nice

barage is decent also

idk i dont like flurry on pruga

just a me thing i guess

[sacred crane]

barrage is useless because the m1 stuns enemies, run and gun is always awful since, focused channeling is also pretty bad

flurry lets you get out more charged attacks quicker and nexus allows you to apply double stack of soulblaze

[spice veldt]

it was joever for focused when they removed ranged hitstun (on sprinting w/ toughness) and gave staffs this weird stagger immunity

[sacred crane]

Surge and purge staffs are the only 2 staffs that have one 2 good blessings

[eager blade]

Hey kinda new. I'm trying Assail and Bubble Shield...went with Void but should I switch to Trauma?

[spice veldt]

i personally endorse trauma w/ assail

[hardy raft]

tbh if it did the damage bonus while also not runnig i'd pick runngun constantly

[eager blade]

Also is the random head pops talent worth? Noticed a cooldown seemed long.

[hardy raft]

imma switch back to runngun

[spice veldt]

flayer ain't it unfortunately

[sacred crane]

Trauma and Void are on the same level, although I prefer trauma but void is a good option for great stagger and having actual range

[spice veldt]

it's a relic of the old feat tree where it did something extra but that's no longer the case

[sacred crane]

mf run and gun is horrible on staffs

its even worse than using it on guns

[hardy raft]

well it does +10% close range damage while running
if it wasnt for running i'd use it

[sacred crane]

at least on guns they HAVE the mobility to make a bit of use of it

[sacred crane]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[hardy raft]

nope

[spice veldt]

run n gun does have a damage bonus while sprinting

only problem is that, with purg, you stop sprinting when you cast

[hardy raft]

couldnt they just make it constant

thanks fatshark

[sacred crane]

?????????????????????

also 10% damage is fuck all, especially on the staff that deals the lowest damage on m1s

[spice veldt]

yeah it's completely unlisted

they buffed it some time ago and didn't remark about it

it should be in some patch note

[hardy raft]

it also has a unlisted 30% spread decrease

which is

completely useless on staffs

[sacred crane]

so it makes the purg staff even worse in a way

[hardy raft]

no fire still doese AoE fire

i meant like

shots going in wrong direction where than your aim

[spice veldt]

patch #13 note

[hardy raft]

if that first part was constantly active

i'd use it a lot more

smh

[sacred crane]

10% damage is just fuck all honestly

[spice veldt]

yeah it's p whatevs

[hardy raft]

fire frenzy 1stack

its not bad

but not great either

would've been my goto pick if it was on autpistol

sounds fun to run and shoot

[sacred crane]

fire frenzy can at least gain more stacks + flurry allows you keep attacking with your more powerful attacks which means:
More soulblaze = More crits = more soulblaze stacks = more damage = enemies die faster

[sacred crane]

PLUS MORE TOUGHNESS AND DAMAGE WITH METTLE + PERFECT TIMING

[hardy raft]

i dont think pruga needs flurry to keep attecking

it just does all by itself

[radiant frigate]

it makes your charge time faster

[sacred crane]

purg benefits from nexus since it allows you to apply stacks faster, do more damage and gain more crits which double stacks and gives more damage and gives toughness

[spice veldt]

more charging purging and less time channeling 😎

[hardy raft]

oh well

ill try again

current best

[sacred crane]

close, but aim for something like this

Nexus + Flurry
Crit chance/Maniac/Flak

[hardy raft]

oh i have flurry

idk if i need maniac they die regardless

[sacred crane]

maniac helps kill them faster since ragers are devstating at close range so it just helps clear them up quicker

[hardy raft]

lclick

also maniac take full dot damage while unarmored doesnt right?

anyway

one day ill get a better one

cloud radius leaves a lot to be desired

[sacred crane]

true, but for packs you wanna be m2ing to apply more stacks more faster

also, unarmored is just fuck all since unarmored enemies die fast enough without it

[hardy raft]

ye

[stone totem]

Illisi nomanus so good and yummy...

[hardy raft]

still idk why its a recommended perk choice in korea

but then again

maniacs do die

and unyielding just takes too much shit

[sacred crane]

i mean, crit chance exists

[hardy raft]

fair enough

[sacred crane]

better chance to apply double stacks

[eager token]

run n gun on purgatus

[spice veldt]

unarmoured takes 1.5x damage and maniac takes 1.0x damage from soulblaze

armored = flak
resistant = unyielding
berserker = maniac
super_armor = carapace
disgustingly_resilient = infested

[hardy raft]

fun

what was the one that makes void shield hits into nothing

why is there player

is that from the time when FF was on

[haughty star]

Lol burninating

[spice veldt]

player is the armour type that we use and what stuff like barrels use it seems
prob just what's used in general for enemy attacks as well

e.g., barrels used to oneshot your teammates (and yourself) if you smacked one with uncanny stacked because it turns out that their base damage is fairly high relative to our high health pools and they had a low ADM offset this

[upper galleon]

I don’t like crit chance on purge besides leveling, with warp nexus alone you maintain all your crit talents and 76% burn applies stacks fast asf already. Meanwhile 25% to an additional armor is juicy

[upper galleon]

Huh how is the code for things like sniper

That does like 125 damage but 10x to toughness

[autumn spire]

Am I bad or is the Trauma force staff like really bad damage

[hardy raft]

well its a giant AoE that damages the same in a certain radius

[feral knoll]

Fellow Psykers I’m bored what weapon should I use today

[hardy raft]

autopistol

[spice veldt]

no idea
prob just a simple toughness multi thing

[feral knoll]

Bet

[radiant frigate]

i like the name

burninating warp

so it does good damage to everything except crushers

and even then it ok with uncanny

[ornate hamlet]

guys why is it that every smite user is rly ugly and then every brainburst and assail user is like super hot and sexy

[light belfry]

I use brain burst and assail and im ugly

[ornate hamlet]

fake

gay kiryu pfp, defintely hot and sexy

[sacred crane]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-you-are-boykisser-ominous-stare-gif-1854943194524266546

[ornate hamlet]

:3

is creeping flames still worth without any other source of soulblaze

[sacred crane]

yeah, great horde clear

able to kill trash mobs

unlike that other node

[ornate hamlet]

i mainly use shriek so i can edge harder

[sacred crane]

https://tenor.com/view/opila-banban-garten-of-banban-baby-opila-bird-gif-15932982644786613873

[ornate hamlet]

and i guess the occasional fuck off button

[sacred crane]

shriek is just great because it will just any trash mob (if using creeping flames) + stun + less peril gen + quells peril + can save ur dumbass if you begin to explode

[ornate hamlet]

basiclaly unchained ult

[sacred crane]

yah

altho its only useful if using a staff, if ur using a gun just use bubble or scriers

[ornate hamlet]

i do not use a gun

i aint no fake wizard

[potent echo]

Gimme unchained and forceswordgreat

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-sigma-sigma-erm-what-mica-gif-9027203644798678907

[potent echo]

Thanks

[ornate hamlet]

actually its what the sigmar

SIGMAR MALES

RAVAGE THIS BLESSED BODY

[fallen swallow]

hello psyker chat

i am a zealot

is this okay

i need advice

[ornate hamlet]

idk how to build purg staff tbh

certainly doesnt look terrible tho

[sacred crane]

blessings good
perks, horrid

[ornate hamlet]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959&searchtext=psyker

[hardy raft]

carapace lmfao

zealot can use

[sacred crane]

you want either flak/maniac/crit chance

[light belfry]

what staff do you guys like best on zealot

[hardy raft]

carapace cause fotf

[hardy raft]

imagine a hybrid class liek a ogryn psyker

would be funny

[light belfry]

I like to pair fire trauma with the mk4 cleaver

[sacred crane]

i prefer shockwave trauma over fire trauma

i like brittle

[light belfry]

reasonable

zealot has less burny talents

blazing piety should light your weapon on fire while its active

[sacred crane]

us psykers are specialized in the arts of pyromancy

[ornate hamlet]

i rolled a god voidstaff and havent been able to bring myself to switch off

[hardy raft]

just make the

relic do fire

[sacred crane]

show

[ornate hamlet]

whats ur fav sienna class

[ornate hamlet]

need to launch game

[sacred crane]

sienna class?

[light belfry]

I like football skeleton

[ornate hamlet]

v2

[light belfry]

magic lady from vermintide

[sacred crane]

ima be fr, played vermintide like 5 times, only played kruber

[ornate hamlet]

lol

[sacred crane]

[light belfry]

based

they’re going to give kruber a 5th career where he is a space marine

[sacred crane]

also, why the FUCK cant psyker use shotguns or the boltgun

like come the FUCK ON

[light belfry]

I kinda get the boltgun but I didn’t expect shotguns or braced autoguns

[sacred crane]

wait- brauto as well...? shit i forgot

[light belfry]

Yeah pretty sure

I looked thru all weapons class by class the other day to organize what I still wanna craft

[sacred crane]

man why the fuck did every class get new class exclusive weapons and have bigger arsenals yet psyker gets cucked

[ornate hamlet]

[light belfry]

it’s probably pretty old by this point but there was a time before deimos and illisi existed

psyker got those at some point

[sacred crane]

veteran got new shovels
zealot got new chainswords
ogryn got new shovels
what does psyker get? FUCK ALL

[hardy raft]

well

psyker got chainswords as well

[light belfry]

they better let psyker get the boltpistol

for eisenhorn larpers

[sacred crane]

im talking class exclusive weapons

[light belfry]

probs meant the eviscerator 15

[sacred crane]

yah i did

like WHEN WILL WE GET A SLICE OF THE PIE

LIKE PSYKER EXCLUSIVE GUN WHEN??????

[ornate hamlet]

real wizards use staves

[light belfry]

psyker exclusive shovel with a big collar on it

[sacred crane]

i want a gun that shoots pure warp energy bullets

[light belfry]

that gets in the way

we have a tool for that it’s called surge left click

[signal sluice]

I want a staff that does some actual damage with the melee bash

[sacred crane]

i mean a gun, gun, not a staff, a gun

[signal sluice]

I want to cave a poxwalkers skull in with my walking stick

[light belfry]

yeah

bonk

[delicate dove]

When the Psyker getting a wand 🧙🏻‍♀️

[light belfry]

or at least a staff with a weapon special that does some shit

[hardy raft]

i want any ranged weapon that actually deals damage with melee special

[sacred crane]

get yo whimsical ass back to

[hardy raft]

revolvers, braced(ok maybe they get a pass), headhunter, etc

[signal sluice]

Helbore moment :’)

[delicate dove]

@sacred crane kek

[hardy raft]

i w a n t o n e o n z e a l o t

[light belfry]

maybe one of the double barrels will have an axe

[delicate dove]

yer a wizard, Sefoni

[signal sluice]

Ewww this is Psyker chat. Shoo back to zealots chat

[delicate dove]

schizo autists only

[ornate hamlet]

hey thats me

[stone totem]

This poor ogryn died because bot aggro'd DH and then someone joined

[signal sluice]

Rest in piece, big man

[sacred crane]

also, flashback to this morning

[delicate dove]

The fact a bot could aggro demon host is mental

[signal sluice]

I remember the days when the bots shoot the host within range proximity

[light belfry]

aurics are such a gongshow lately with all the joining and leaving and not shenanigans

[stone totem]

Reminds me of this other time

Did DH here leave because someone died while it was aggro'd?

[ornate hamlet]

happens outisde auric as well lmao

[stone totem]

That seems like the only explanation

[delicate dove]

If everyone makes it past 5 minutes in a Maelstrom game it's a miracle

[light belfry]

people will leave to let the bot maybe clutch or they will leave and rejoin to revive themselves

[delicate dove]

What drives me crazy is people who obviously aren't ready for maelstrom keep queuing for maelstrom lmao

[light belfry]

I just want to play a regular ass game of darktide man

[hardy raft]

yep

any death counts

[stone totem]

Witch from L4D be like "shame about your buddy but I'm still ripping you up"

[light belfry]

and then sometimes you end up in the backfill gongshow and join with 1 wound left no ammo sound bugging out game chugging and you get overheaded by a crusher and you have to watch some guy try to clutch and wait 5 minutes to maybe not get to play anyways if they lose

I hope there’s some shit to address this type of thing in the update

[delicate dove]

I'm the guy. I hate it

"WHERES MY TEAMMMM"

[signal sluice]

I live for those games

[stone totem]

I love being the problem solver

Or the most notable martyr

[delicate dove]

It's only fun when it works out

[signal sluice]

The feeling of pulling off a clutch

[stone totem]

My first really notable clutch on this game was like 5 minutes long and I could've played it much better xd

[split lance]

gib pls

[ornate hamlet]

nuh huh its mine :3c

[wind spruce]

Siblings

7 days until we got shotguns

Get excited

[ornate hamlet]

nuh huh

[split lance]

pretty pretty pls

you lift?

ill get you a uhhhhhhhh

750kg total

[ornate hamlet]

i would trade it for a perfect illussy only

[split lance]

oh really

[split lance]

did you just change banner and pfp

[ornate hamlet]

thats pretty good

[split lance]

now gib

[edgy heart]

"Alright, this one will do" ah dh

[fallen swallow]

i return to you with this, i hope its better.

[fallen swallow]

OMG CAR

i love car

[sacred crane]

the only improvement would be t4 flurry, but t3 still good

[fallen swallow]

we can only dream for perfect weapons :C

[ornate hamlet]

i have a near perfect dclaw

its so good it may as well be perfect

[bold cape]

mines okay

good enough anyway

[split lance]

whats a dclaw

[ornate hamlet]

heretic

[sacred crane]

i dont like dclaw, shit armor pen

[split lance]

pls tell me

ill let you rub my tummy

[sacred crane]

devils claw swords

[split lance]

oh

idk which those are '

[ornate hamlet]

[restive ice]

it’s the giant lizard things from fallout with the fat cock

[split lance]

im

uhh

[ornate hamlet]

thats what u have another weapon for

[split lance]

im even more confused

[bold cape]

[split lance]

but i dont wanna ask anymore questions

[ornate hamlet]

yeah that

[split lance]

you know you wanna

[ornate hamlet]

what

[split lance]

i didnt stutte r

[bold cape]

chat has really gone downhill in the last 3 minutes

[split lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1247409251593228350/image0.gif

hey so

how tf you fight a demon host

bc i saw a mfer solo it

[ornate hamlet]

dclaw or shield

[fallen swallow]

one shot it with a hammer

[hardy raft]

you can dodge the flurry

and then slow roll to death

or dclaw even though that can also die

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/jermey-fragrance-power-baby-gif-26889943

[hardy raft]

mewing

[restive ice]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[split lance]

oh i got a groll

and sold it

[hardy raft]

smart

[split lance]

it was iirc the first 380 weapon i got

[ornate hamlet]

u sold a 380

[restive ice]

bro hanged his queen 💀

[ornate hamlet]

real

[edgy heart]

Wtf happened to homelander

[split lance]

dont you dare disrespect jeremy fragrance like that

[edgy heart]

I don't even know who that is

[restive ice]

homelander on bath salts

[split lance]

hes the #1 fragrance icon that follows the teachings of jesus

[edgy heart]

Is it the dude from that gif

Looks like homelander on crack

[split lance]

yes

hes a cologne reviewer

that went off the deep end

HARD

love him tho

[restive ice]

checks out

[edgy heart]

Don't do drugs kids

[split lance]

ive bought a lot of colognes that he recommends

[split lance]

honestly id 100% believe he wasnt on drugs

he was in 2 diff boy bands

his lore is crazy

[edgy heart]

I'd 100% believe he was

Or is, if he's still alive

[split lance]

hes indeed still alive

drops the same TOP 10 COLOGNES FOR (insert literally anyhting here)

and he lists off the same cologne s

[restive ice]

TOP 10 COLOGNES TO MASK THE SCENT OF SMEG MA

[split lance]

ok no

[ornate hamlet]

what

[split lance]

ya know

i hate this so much

im going to bed

[bold cape]

can yall not say awful shit for like 5 minutes

[potent echo]

Does smegma come from sigmar

[ornate hamlet]

ur all getting purged

[restive ice]

BY SMEGMAR

[ornate hamlet]

die

https://tenor.com/view/victor-saltzpyre-gif-22117141

are perilous combustion and/or wildfire even worth it with no other source of soulblaze

[rigid sky]

Perilous yes

you can kill a cluster of shotgunners etc by killing 2 of them

[ornate hamlet]

oki

[marble crater]

Wait until you find out that a lot of Germans make fun of him by default

[split lance]

Germans messed up TWICE so I ain’t listening to their moral compass

[marble crater]

We did pretty well, considering we had to fight almost everyone alone

[edgy heart]

Didn't the judge VA post a video of the 40k version

[ornate hamlet]

uhhhh idk what u mean

[edgy heart]

The the voice actor of the judge zealot voice posted a clip saying something along the lines of "by the emperor you have posted cringe, prepared to be judged"

Dude is a memelord, and I love him for it