#psyker-class

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upper sun
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marvels midnight suns

lethal lagoon
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I assume they took the free epic money with the expectation that no one really uses epic store

potent echo
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Probably whatthefuck_heresy

upper sun
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game is trash

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its a brainlet xcom clone card game

short plaza
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@rigid sky in a few words what's the point of the gunker above other builds?

rigid sky
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You have no enemy types that you are weak against

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And are also the only psyker build that is excellent vs bosses

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When we struggle to even be passable against them on other builds

short plaza
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I might be delusional but I feel like I've not threat I can't deal with as surge + force sword

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What buffes the guns as the psyker?

rigid sky
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Disrupt Destiny, Scrier's Gaze, and Warp Rider mainly

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They also buff the DS4 and assail

short plaza
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Aaah scrier gaze. I've saved a talent tree for it but I've not played with it yet

rigid sky
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You will reliably 2 shot Crushers with the sword

short plaza
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It has vibes of unchained to me if I have to compare to vermintide (sienna was my secondary played character)

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I feel like warp rider is mandatory for any psyker build

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The scrier gaze cooldown starts when it vanishes right not on cast?

rigid sky
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I think so

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I often play around with quelling a bit in the first stages of it too

short plaza
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So. Why a gun? Not to stack peril too quickly to preserve scrier gaze statut?

rigid sky
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Like i Gaze while the problem is still approaching and start assailing and quelling

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And when the situation actually hits a height, I swap to melee or gun

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Partly that

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And partly because you don't just pick any gun

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You pick a Finesse gun

short plaza
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Which stacks with the gaze weakspot bonus?

rigid sky
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So you get a large bonus from the weakspot and crit components of Gaze and DD

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And benefit from the critrate boost

short plaza
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Alright I see. I feel like I'd play a bit like my specialist weapon veteran though

rigid sky
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3 out of the 4 staves do not care about weakspot, and 2 of them do not care about crit damage

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Yeah probably

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Except more assail

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And less panic buttons

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You have to live and die by your evasiveness and killing power

short plaza
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Àh indeed, zarona veteran wouldn't spam projectiles at long range lesser ennemies like an assail psyker

rigid sky
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If you wanna try it I would recommend CIAG for the full power version

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Or accatran laspistol for the duelist version

short plaza
rigid sky
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I don't really know about Zarona

rigid sky
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Incredible delivery on them too

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It's half of the fun for me lol

short plaza
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Zarona is like 85 ammos in total for mine so u really want them all to make the whole run without having to take boxes

rigid sky
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"I think it's time to kill everybody! :D"

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And "You're all going to die! Isn't that nice?"

short plaza
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Slightly psycho

rigid sky
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Not sure about the others

short plaza
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I'll have to test the build I guess. Force sword would do right? And then a finesse pistol, which I don't have yet but will try to beg the weapon merchant for

wind spruce
short plaza
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I've corrected my trinkets to get rid of my 5 wounds BTW 😂

rigid sky
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Illisi is my #2 pick

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Duelling Sword 4 is the best for it

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With DD/SG and assail support it's actually really good at hordeclear

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Illisi doesn't need the extra help

short plaza
rigid sky
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But DS4 kills elites a lot better

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Without it you get held back a bit by the inevitable crusher blob

short plaza
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Duelling sword has a moveset that can relate to something in vermintide? Would it be rapier-like by any chance?

rigid sky
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Light spam is just diagonals

wind spruce
rigid sky
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Heavies are all thrusts

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Very powerful thrusts

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Take the mark 4.

wind spruce
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But it was certainly buffing my crits

short plaza
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Saltz rapier is diagonals left and right... And thrusts. I assumed it would be close

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(I was doing very fine with it). Easy to touch heads I assume too?

rigid sky
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Very easy

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Huge dodges too

short plaza
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Alright I'll try it but don't turn my "you're a wizard" gifs against me when I show up scoreboard as gunker

rigid sky
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Just think of it as going Transmutation/Enchantment instead of Evocation

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Mystic Knight instead of Black Mage

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Etc

short plaza
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I'll think of it like a noble born with magic powers using them to enhance her highy educated martial skills 😂

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I'll give it a try this week end if I can

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Sorry which guns brands u've advised again?

rigid sky
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Columnus Infantry Autogun #1

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Accatran Laspistol #2

wind spruce
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^^

rigid sky
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After trying those, you can branch out to other Finesse weapons like Zarona or Headhunters

short plaza
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Alright thx I'll screen that. Irosk uses the columnus in the video?

rigid sky
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I think so

wind spruce
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Yessir

rigid sky
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I can give you a sample build too

short plaza
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Hm if the psyker can wields a zarona I must say I appreciate it a lot with my veteran but with talents reloading it on kills sooo

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I'd appreciate!

wind spruce
rigid sky
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Point 30 can go in either warp replenishment (my pick), warp speed or 15 toughness

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Second blessing for both weapons is flexible

short plaza
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The light attacks are slightly different of the ones I expected but I see, the heavy on the opposite are totally what I was foreseeing

rigid sky
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Also you can combo heavy into special

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Useful vs ragers

short plaza
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Don't you want the talent to quell at normal movement speed instead of increased warp damages?

wind spruce
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Plus you don't actually quell that often

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These work too, if you don't wanna use assail

short plaza
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Hm honestly I feel that for me the only usefulness to take the left green ability is to take the 10% chances to trigger brain burst on attacks

rigid sky
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Assail is an ammo saver mostly

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And it helps with auto gaining DDs

short plaza
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Otherwise assail gives a very interesting tool to deal with distant shooters freely

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Quelling helps preserving the gaze right?

rigid sky
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Means you don't have to reload too

rigid sky
short plaza
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During a mission event for exemple or something yeah

rigid sky
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Some people say never quell in combat but idk, you get small moments where it's the right move imo

short plaza
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I'd prefer the cool down reduction only to spam shriek so the first tree looks totally fine to me

rigid sky
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Gunker is weird as hell to play

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You will inexplicably blow up a lot with it at first

wind spruce
rigid sky
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Stick with it

wind spruce
short plaza
rigid sky
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Just remember, if the voices tell you you can fit one more assail in, you probably won't explode

short plaza
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With assailing at 100%?

rigid sky
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They are probably lying :)

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Yes

short plaza
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Hahaha I've blown up but only because I didn't know the sword push attack was improving my peril... I had tried to me sure, but without hitting an ennemy, so it didn't...

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Otherwise I usually manage my heat decently

wind spruce
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It's more difficult to be cognisant of whether you can fit in a couple of assail left clicks or not, because you might be not in scriers, just the start of scriers or 15s into scriers

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That's why you blow up

rigid sky
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Gaze is weird

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It accelerates the longer it's active

short plaza
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Well the rule is : not at 100%? Cast assail.
At 100%? You're not a wizard anymore

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Staves can be tricker because the time u charge u might be at 100% but assail is much quicker

rigid sky
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You probably want to stop assailing by 20 Gaze stacks either way

wind spruce
short plaza
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Yeah I assume to preserve the gaze u assail only if you have veeeeery good reason to

rigid sky
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Assail freely(ish) for the first 10 stacks

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With care for the next 10

short plaza
rigid sky
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And not at all after

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But sometimes it's right to just start shooting or stabbing right away

short plaza
rigid sky
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There's not really a hard rule when it comes to gunker gameplay

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Except Crushers get the sword, bosses get the gun

wind spruce
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Even bosses should get the sword sometimes

short plaza
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I'll save the scoreboard when I first try this build and we'll see if I've performed well enough or totally goofed

wind spruce
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Especially plague ogryns

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Gotta save dat ammo

short plaza
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I feel like it's so high

wind spruce
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It's the easiest of the three to hit

bold cape
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plagryns will die to 1 columnus mag with a combat stim so it ain’t much ammo

wind spruce
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I can hit it it's head like 2/3 pokes

short plaza
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Really? Damn I feel like I manage better the others 😂(specifically to hit the head when in melee i mean)

short plaza
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I didn't yet make the connection stim = buff potion

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Combat one increases power? The speed one increases movement speed and attack speed?

rigid sky
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Damage stim on gunker is fucking crazy

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Damage and rending btw

bold cape
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one of the big things i struggled with learning the game is learning to pop my ability/use shit more
a lot of things are just so much better when you use them as soon as they’re ready

short plaza
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What's rending again? Armor breakthrough?

rigid sky
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Yep

short plaza
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Like my voice of command I save for when I see a blue bar down or a boss incoming

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Or to stagger an overhead. 😂

rigid sky
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I spam that fucker in combat

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More gold toughness uptime

short plaza
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I want the gold toughness for bosses preferably because I know they can break the blue bar in a blink

bold cape
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you get a lot more use out of it being popped 20 times a game than like 4 times cause you were saving it for the perfect use case

rigid sky
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Surprise mauler overheads from behind say lmao

short plaza
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Hmmm I disagree for this ability, it has a huge life saving potential when you consider both stagger and refilled toughness (again not saving it to the point u end up in a bad situation right)

bold cape
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constantly supplying your team with gold toughness is super good

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and you can’t predict everything, like krags said

short plaza
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Someone stucked next to a flamethrower or on the point to take an overhead would appreciate the timed stagger for exemple more than some additional toughness

rigid sky
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Tbh it's a 30s cd

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With 6s taken off for every elite or special you kill

bold cape
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yeah you can borderline spam it

short plaza
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That's indeed short

rigid sky
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You can use it on cooldown and probably still have it whenever you need it

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Like, Shriek I wouldn't use on cooldown

short plaza
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.. I use it on cooldown 😂 (cooldown = available and 100 peril)

rigid sky
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Because you don't get the optimal offensive capability from it that way

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Sometimes holding a couple of seconds until the cone has more dudes in it is better

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I try to find a use for it immediately yes

short plaza
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Hm true but I might not have enough awareness yet to notice that

rigid sky
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But I won't just fire it arbitrarily

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While VoC I would spam.

bold cape
short plaza
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Oh yeah I tend looking at highly massed ennemies or elites for that but then immediately cast it

rigid sky
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I think I saw that you were taking Shriek without the Flames part at first?

bold cape
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shriek without flames is a crime

rigid sky
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So you're still seeing it probably as CC and Venting primarily

short plaza
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Yeah but I've went in damnation with the proper tree I got advised

rigid sky
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It's best viewed as a dragon breath power

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With additional bonuses

short plaza
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Oh no, now I see it as an extra round of zap + applying my burn

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But at first yeah it was just my vent option

rigid sky
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Oh yeah, EP smite extension too

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That's also really major

bold cape
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ep smite deadinsideDF

lethal lagoon
short plaza
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My zap is my surge staff I prefer assail 😂 (#DoingNothingLikeExpected)

rigid sky
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I'm kinda into EP smite now

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It feels like it kinda shits on Purgatus' reason to exist a little

short plaza
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Absolutely true but purgatus with brain burst chance to trigger is really fun

bold cape
rigid sky
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Kinetic flayer is terrible though lol

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Decent vs bosses maybe

lethal lagoon
rigid sky
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It was decent pre 13 when it made getting warp charges automatic

lethal lagoon
rigid sky
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And when that was the best we had for gunker

short plaza
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I feel like it's nice on staves inflicting numerous hits (like purgatus) but I've found myself a surge enjoyer

rigid sky
lethal lagoon
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Like I'm sure purg used by a very high skill player could maybe beat out smite, but it'll be close.

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Too close for a free ability versus a weapon

short plaza
rigid sky
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If you have the spare point then it isn't so bad in that circumstance I guess

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It's still at best a luxury pick

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And I am too addicted to toughness regen

short plaza
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But yeah. I find purgatus under performing compared to what I was used in vermintide for the similar weapon

lethal lagoon
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I wish they would just change it to only trigger on elites and stuff

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It's such a waste

bold cape
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agree

lethal lagoon
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Or maybe give us a double BB every 15 seconds, I dunno.

rigid sky
lethal lagoon
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Just literally anything else

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The ridicilous fire one?

short plaza
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It triggering on cheap ennemies is indeed totally useless

lethal lagoon
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I mean I loved it, but it was OP as shit

rigid sky
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When you brain rupture something, it takes +10% damage for 10s or whatever it was

lethal lagoon
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Oh

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That was 25%

rigid sky
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25 yeah

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That would be a lot better imo

short plaza
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Boss melting

lethal lagoon
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There was a BB talent where you basically just triggered PC whenever you BBed an Elite or killed ANY enemy with BB.

short plaza
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Pc?

lethal lagoon
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So like it would light a Og Gunner on fire.

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And act as a BP getter

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Perilous combustion

bold cape
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perilous combustion

lethal lagoon
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🐌

bold cape
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i said it first

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im a one hand mobile andy
cut me some slack

short plaza
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Oooh that would spread the burn a bit everywhere

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Yeah was surely pretty cool

lethal lagoon
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You could use it to stack warpfire on a boss too

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It was a really cool ability, but for the game at the time, it was too much.

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I don't think there was even aurics back then

short plaza
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Auric is only more elites and specialists, basically, compared to damnation? The ennemies have the exact same stats?

lethal lagoon
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There's a higher "tension" max

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Basically things can get more chaotic and more things can spawn on aurics

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Also all aurics are by default "Hi-int"

bold cape
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ive noticed auric mael gets kinda wild

lethal lagoon
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Hi int also raises the tension cap

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Auric mael is such a mixed bag, but like a 60k-80k mission can go nuts.

short plaza
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Alright I see, the ai director is angry at us by default, but if I reach a breakpoint in regular damnation I reach it too in auric?

lethal lagoon
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Yes

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Like even if it's the exact same mission, like Hi Int magi, the auric version should be harder.

bold cape
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auric heresy is my fav difficulty atm

rigid sky
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I think a few maelstroms are easier than hi5stgs

lethal lagoon
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Yeah, quite a few.

rigid sky
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The ones that don't say increased specials

lethal lagoon
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I get plenty of maels where the damage total is way lower than a standard auric t5.

short plaza
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Ngl I've played damnation 3 times in a row only, I pulled my weight BUT it's nervously tiring. Perhaps a mix of damnation and heresy to cool down is a good gaming session 😂

lethal lagoon
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Nah just move up to auric damn, and then damn will feel chill.

bold cape
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i wanna bring ep smite into auric mael but i feel guilty for using it
like i genuinely dont want to be seen using it lmao

lethal lagoon
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But you still get the crafting mats.

short plaza
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Rewardsssss

lethal lagoon
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Most of the people you queue with won't really notice what you are using.

short plaza
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Need plasteel!

lethal lagoon
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I've had someone ask me what staff I'm using because he saw I was doing a ton of damage.

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I was using smite like 90% of the time.

bold cape
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lmao

lethal lagoon
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Unless you get "lucky" and run into one of the sweats, no one will care that you are smite spaming.

short plaza
lethal lagoon
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To be clear, I'm talking about people in auric damns

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Anything below I have no idea lmao

short plaza
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Not sure why he was but it was like "pfff smite always a pleasure to play with..." or something 😂

rigid sky
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What matters more is how you use smite

lethal lagoon
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I can imagine smite makes the game even more boring on lower diffs

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Reguardless if you use it right or not

rigid sky
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If you are frying a single poxwalker with it

bold cape
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smite is 100% unneeded on anything lower than max difficulty

rigid sky
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You will probably attract sadness

lethal lagoon
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I can see a malice being completely ruined if someone just spams smite.

bold cape
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like genuinely you dont need that cc on anything under damnation
damage will do you better 98% of the time

rigid sky
short plaza
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Hmm I tended using it to neutralize hordes, or to "taze" ennemies in the back of someone

rigid sky
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Or plasma

short plaza
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Or to pull away bulwark shields or berserkers

lethal lagoon
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I will say though, 99% of people will not care.

short plaza
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... Well, a lot.

lethal lagoon
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They are too busy existing in their own world

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Who has time to judge other people's gameplay.

rigid sky
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Lots of ways to trivialise a game and give your team nothing to do

lethal lagoon
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Unless they are a dagger zealot

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Then we all judge em

bold cape
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there’s just better ways to deal with enemies that dont involve you doing nothing so your team can deal with them, but you actually killing them instead
it’s also more fun that way

short plaza
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I'll have to try zealot with dagger and flamethrower now

rigid sky
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Love being one of the good dagger zealots though

rigid sky
short plaza
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Dagger for elites and flamethrower for hordes

bold cape
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when you use smite you’re not choosing a playstyle for yourself, but you’re making that decision for the rest of your team as well

lethal lagoon
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On top of that smite will actively reduce DPS

patent wing
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evis > all

lethal lagoon
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Because it prevents bunching

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EP smite shriek is still stupid OP DPS though. I'm so glad no one really plays that

bold cape
short plaza
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Something not intuitive with smite is, in low difficulty, at low level I was convinced that has a green ability it was dealing A LOT. More than my staff. Which wasn't absolutely the case

lethal lagoon
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No matter how much I make fun of smite bubblers, there would be way too much overlap if we both ran EP smite shriek

rigid sky
vestal fulcrum
rigid sky
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Almost an unnecessary amount

lethal lagoon
vestal fulcrum
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Like this:

bold cape
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often times if i see a smitker it’ll be a low level and ill respectfully inform them that they are not helping (in a polite way) to try to get them to use their weapons

lethal lagoon
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I can't imagine that goes well

vestal fulcrum
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It doesn’t. It’s why I have dignity uwugryn

lethal lagoon
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So completely unnecessary amount

rigid sky
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Well it killed my WS surge build for me

short plaza
rigid sky
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Surge actually killing stuff is delicious

rigid sky
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I just heard assail op

lethal lagoon
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I ran WS surge after a long time not running it, the damage confused me, cause I was so used to not one-shotting gunners.

rigid sky
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That's about it

bold cape
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i hate when surge leaves enemies i hit at 10% hp (all the time)

lethal lagoon
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Switch targets and let the secondary finish em off

rigid sky
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It's like my EP trauma

bold cape
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it’s a minor thing
just means i gotta hit twice

rigid sky
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I am told I am missing breakpoints for it

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But on the other hand

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Br goes brrrr

patent wing
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idk why i would combo ep smite with shriek

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ep smite does enough dmg on its own

rigid sky
bold cape
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fire
overwhelming fire

patent wing
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the dangerous elites dont die from soul blaze

lethal lagoon
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It's to extend the cast.

patent wing
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because they dont take any dmg from it

rigid sky
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They will from 150% peril of EP smite

bold cape
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can kill anything below crushers with one smite + shriek extension

rigid sky
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And 6 stacks of soulblaze

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Crushers dont

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The rest do

patent wing
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ep smite bubble superior imo

lethal lagoon
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Are you running scoreboard?

bold cape
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bubble…

patent wing
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if i play smite shriek i need warp charges for extended cast time and less cooldown

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yeah because smite is only good indoor without bubble

rigid sky
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Shriek is a long range option too

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And Surge staff has the best staff LMB

patent wing
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yeah warp charge shriek smite is almost always better

lethal lagoon
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I mean if you aren't getting 700-900k every game with EP smite as your primary tool, then it's really not "superior" lmao.

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If EP smite is something you only use once in a while and you main a different weapon, then that's a different conversation.

patent wing
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700-900k u only reach those numbers with braindead players who do nothing and in long rounds

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i have to fight for my kills because my vet steals them 24/7

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but i mainly play purge BB so that might be a reason

lethal lagoon
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I.E I never actually geniunely used EP smite shriek...

cursive timber
lethal lagoon
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Surge's lmb get's the crit bonus

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So 16-20% more crit usually.

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Only purgatos has a different LMB

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Voidstrike, Trauma, and Surge are the same.

wind spruce
short plaza
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Love me some zzzap!

short plaza
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I mean it can't critically zap?

lethal lagoon
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Funny enough the tooltip claims it doesn't.

short plaza
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..

lethal lagoon
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They are never going to fix that tooltip lmao

short plaza
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I wouldn't want to be "exploiting" a bug by building critical chances on a staff not supposed to for its most used attack

lethal lagoon
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It's been that way since release.

short plaza
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Also I hate when tool tips are false... It's already hard enough to figure out the proper values and such, if they're on top of that wrongly described

lethal lagoon
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It would be wild if they just decided like 2 years later to change it so Surge RMB doesn't crit

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Or doesn't get the bonus crit chance I mean

short plaza
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So. How bad is it to have a defence score twice as high as my offense score? 😂

supple dock
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arbitrary stats that are arbitrarily adjusted

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team/defense/offense are terrible indicators of anything

short plaza
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I assume what counts the most is elite special disablers kills right? That's not entirely meaningful since giving space to your veteran to shoot down the special is not really shown on the board but well

rigid sky
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What counts the most is did you clear

short plaza
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Clear?

rigid sky
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Win

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Survive

short plaza
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Ooh. Yeah indeed

rigid sky
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How you get there is less important

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If you have an e stance vet on your team you probably need to clear more trash for example

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And they will probably be taking out the specialists before you are aware of them a lot of the time

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If you are purgatus your trash clear will look great but your specialists a lot worse

short plaza
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I don't want to win I want to be good! (and styled eventually)

rigid sky
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Vice versa for voidstrike

short plaza
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Which is kinda making sense to me

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But I really have to tweak the board settings when I play again because it's soooo messy

rigid sky
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I don't use the scoreboard myself anyway

short plaza
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I will probably won't bother it once I can accurately picture how I perform compared to others but for now I need it

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40k warp fire does it sound like a normal amount for relying on shriek for it (I assume surge staff doesn't inflict it)?

rigid sky
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no idea tbh lmao

lethal lagoon
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PC should be around 5-10% of your damage in the form of warpfire. Flaming shriek is going vary, but 20% is probably average.

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Looking at my boards, maybe 10-15% for flaming shriek.

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It really depends on the game and team

short plaza
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Oh I'm at nearly 300K total, 40k being warp fire, so we're at 13% approximately

lethal lagoon
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Normal damn will have less PC damage

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Less flaming shriek damage too, so that fits.

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Doesn't seem unsuually high or low.

short plaza
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Alright that's a good tip for me. I acknowledge it depends of the run but it's a basis to know if I'm doing nonsense with my shriek or not

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(which is really not obvious to evaluate first hands)

lethal lagoon
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I mean both shriek and PC scale with enemy density, so it's kinda of like when do you want your DPS to be highest?

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When shit is going down.

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So the actual end damage doesn't nessarily reflect how poorly or well you are using it

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Or how well the ability works.

short plaza
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Ultimately indeed you're right but I can try to see in most runs how it goes and if my values make sense depending of how chaotic the game has been

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It's not absolute truth but that gives me some cursor values to look at on a game I learn and want to be decent at 😂

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I feel I'm pulling my weight but I've been wrong on some other things already soooo

lethal lagoon
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The way I view it, 1st might not be carrying, but 4th is probably dragging.

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Of course no reason to flame anyone for sucking, unless they start it lmao.

short plaza
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Or particularly unlucky Guarded

lethal lagoon
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The funniest part of a scoreboard mod, is that toxic people are often unaware of how well they are doing.

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So they'll blame their team, I'll hit tab, and then giggle to myself.

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Anything from backseating to screaming into the mic about how much we suck, they are always in 4th lmao

short plaza
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Very rare toxic players but those encountered usually have in common a very high score : damage taken...

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Perhaps the thing I could be "toxic" about is me grumpy because I'm left behind looking for plasteel and end up spawning disablers because isolated when I consider the group should move at the pace of the slowest member (unless it's unreasonable tourism)

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The fact I can get lost in a straight tunnel irl and in-game doesn't help

lethal lagoon
bold cape
#

@lethal lagoon can you send that clip of you bb thru the shield? wanna send to a friend

short plaza
#

Hound dodging extra session

lethal lagoon
#

btw, pushing hounds is like 100 times easier.

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I still dodge cause I'm lazy, but pushing should have like a 100% success rate.

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I also like seeing a hound fly over me or in front of me

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It's just so funny

patent wing
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doesnt work against nurgle dogs :(

lethal lagoon
#

Using crouch to dodge a dog is so satisfying.

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Pushing?

patent wing
#

yes

lethal lagoon
#

Since when?

patent wing
#

idk i experienced it last week i think

lethal lagoon
#

I've never had a problem pushing nurgle dogs

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We are talking about the green maelstrom modifer, right?

patent wing
#

yes

potent echo
#

i cant handle friday night pubs KEKW_ogryn

lethal lagoon
#

Yeah, I've never had any issue pushing them

short plaza
#

That's when I see this I think I should use the mod to spawn ennemies and practice... I consider hounds to be vermintide assassin's which I dodge 90% of the time eyes closed, while I should here be pushing

patent wing
#

i mean it makes sense since all green units are immune to cc

potent echo
#

literally three surge staff psykers died to poxwalkers

short plaza
potent echo
#

they dont speak

lethal lagoon
#

Pushing should still work on dogs though. I guess I'll record my next nurgle game, maybe I'm crazy.

short plaza
#

Then your only solution is to make like me : heard the ticking bomb, sprint toward it to push and pray for none to shoot at it

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Silenced psykers saved. Everyone happy.

lethal lagoon
bold cape
lethal lagoon
#

So pushing nurgle dogs should be fine.

short plaza
#

I assume - 100% = only taking 50% of stagger, not being immune right?

lethal lagoon
#

Like on the longer assination mission, early on in that stairwell area before the eleavtor to the first event

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That's peak BB time.

short plaza
#

This situation is the reason I take assail but perhaps it's underperforming compared to bb?

lethal lagoon
#

I'm not sure how impact is calculated.

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But they will for example be immune to surge staff

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immune to surge staff stagger I mean

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So you need something like a zealot crusher with impact blessings

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That was old information though, maybe it changed and I didn't notice.

hasty breach
#

my only psyker penance left is the damn brainburst the monstosity one

short plaza
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Just noticed scab maulers have more armor (carapace) to the head and less elsewhere (flak)?

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That really wasn't obvious visually

rigid sky
#

Yeah, Maulers will catch you out until you spot that

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for most weapons you want to hit the body

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for weapons with uncanny the head is probably still better

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and stuff like DS4

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I think it's true for the Karnaks too

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flak on most of the body, carapace helm

short plaza
#

For the melee is there another ideal pick than carapace flak increased damages ?

bold cape
#

1-2 shotting maulers in the face with the ds4 makes me happy

rigid sky
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Depends on the melee in question tbh

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I like carapace maniac for DS4 I think

short plaza
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In my actual build I'm at the point I dodge back and zap repeatedly the incoming maulers before returning to the fray ngl. But I'll have to work on that rapier for gaze

rigid sky
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On my deimos it's the same

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on my illisi I would prefer like flak maniac maybe

short plaza
rigid sky
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Maniacs are the following:

short plaza
#

Being able to take em down quickly in melee is important

rigid sky
#

Mutant, Scab + Dreg Flamer, Dreg Rager, Scab Trapper

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did I miss anything?

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I used to think bombers were maniacs too but apparently they're flak or unarmoured for scab and dreg respectively

short plaza
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I tend not considering much the ennemies not being ragers or carapace but perhaps I underestimate them

rigid sky
#

Maniacs aren't usually terribly resistant to weapons, apart from a few exceptions like headhunter rifles and recon lasguns

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it's part of why recons are shit and headhunters are so tight to build

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because maniacs are all high priority targets

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mutants less so, they're more dive tanks, but you want to dispatch them quickly so they don't distract you for too long

short plaza
#

So ragers are either maniacs (the half naked ones) or carapace (the armored ones)?

rigid sky
#

Maniac or flak

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The only full carapace enemy is the Crusher

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Maulers have carapace helmets

short plaza
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Ah flak OK. Yeah flak seems sooo much represented

rigid sky
#

Bulwarks and Reapers have carapace armour plates in a few spots, but are mostly unyielding including the weakspot

short plaza
#

Carapace way less but reaching a breakpoint to have to deal 1 less hit to kill is huge considering they hit so hard

rigid sky
#

and the twins have carapace helmets too

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well with regards to the duelling sword in particular

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I'm killing everything else really quick anyway

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and the only thing that the rest of my kit is bad at, is carapace

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so why not make my sword a crusher killer

short plaza
#

I agree

rigid sky
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Crushers aren't particularly dangerous imo, provided they don't stick around for too long

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but they block vision so much while you're fighting them

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and if there's a few of them it can be easy to get caught out by one of them, doesn't even have to be the one that's targeting you

short plaza
#

They are very annoying to me because they're a permanent threat to watch out as long as they're alive and can reach you with an overhead from behind another ennemy if I recall correctly. Plus they stop the cleave, stop the shots, really have to take them down

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(ofc all I say here is considering they're mixed in a horde)

rigid sky
#

They are a tank

patent wing
lethal lagoon
#

Psykers are busted on melee maels though

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They even kinda make it no fun at times.

mental rock
#

"my Rashad sends it's regards" dabs away

potent echo
#

starts with smite and ends with EP

short plaza
#

What's maelstrom?

lethal lagoon
#

the big mission in the middle

#

auric maels are always t5, normal maels are whatever.

short plaza
#

Remember I've always clicked quick play 😂

mental rock
#

Well don't worry you can't quick play into them

lethal lagoon
short plaza
#

It's a particular mission or difficulty modifier like auric ?

lethal lagoon
#

Various modifers like mutants waves and stuff like that

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They can be both easier and harder than auric t5s

#

Just read the modifers

short plaza
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Oooh it's waves of ennemies? Vermintide had a thing like that

lethal lagoon
#

There's also ranged only and melee only modifers

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No

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I just mean there can be waves in the mission

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Like 10 somewhat weaker mutants will spawn at once

short plaza
#

Ah OK. Sounds quite particular

mental rock
#

Maelstroms have a regular and auric variant. Auric is always t5, and maelstroms have some unique modifiers which can be super fun or super...not

lethal lagoon
#

Honestly, smite is super bad manners on Melee maelstrom

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It ruins the point

short plaza
#

I see. Not exactly similar except in the "clown fiesta" aspect eventually, twitch mode for those that have played it in vermintide

potent echo
#

how about trauma KEKW_ogryn

lethal lagoon
#

I wanna say that too, but then that's too restrictive.

potent echo
#

might as well add in purge

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psyker = cheating!!

lethal lagoon
#

I mean purge really is bad manners, unless you are getting your uncanny stacks on

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In the other direction

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Though I guess you can just use d4 on crushers, meh it's fine.

sacred crane
#

Me omw to auric maelstorm with psyker + tac axe + las gun with the most incomprehensible build imaginable for shits and giggles

lethal lagoon
#

Need a trauma staff with transfer peril and surge next

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🙂

rigid sky
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Monstrous Specialists is the best modifier

short plaza
rigid sky
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You know what the modifier is before you queue btw

sacred crane
lethal lagoon
#

I'm always shocked at how many people just don't read the modifer.

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I don't know how they function.

rigid sky
#

That sign won't stop me because I can't read .jpg

short plaza
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I'd prefer melee only by far to range only

sacred crane
#

Ive never heard of melee only maelstorm

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Is it just the modifier of no ammo pickups?

short plaza
bold cape
#

isnt it mostly melee enemies instead of all

lethal lagoon
#

I think there's snipers sometimes but it's like 99% melee enemies.

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Last melee mael I played was as a level 6 psyker, it's been a while kek

short plaza
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Ah I understood it as players can only use their melee or range weapon

lethal lagoon
#

You don't get ammo, but with survivalist that doesn't really matter that much.

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And psykers of course have infinite ammo

rigid sky
#

Shock trooper builds good too

stiff falcon
#

3Veg my belovedf

radiant frigate
lethal lagoon
bold cape
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@lethal lagoon ok i tried it in an auric mael
..its fun

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im using my surge staff mostly tho

lethal lagoon
#

Wait tried what

radiant frigate
#

meleestrom is cool until i inevitably munch on an overhead

bold cape
#

ep smite surge

lethal lagoon
bold cape
#

it feels good to actually use smite to the team’s benefit

short plaza
bold cape
#

it literally kills everything

lethal lagoon
#

One day you'll look up and realize you can see behind yourself.

short plaza
#

So I'll ask the question that will unleash hell

lethal lagoon
short plaza
#

Ep smite is actually doing damages? More than surge staff? Enough to zap elites?

lethal lagoon
short plaza
#

Like from 0 to 100 peril?

bold cape
#

also i LOVE powerdi
its such a neatly presented scoreboard and gives so much more information than the others

radiant frigate
lethal lagoon
#

Smite scales with enemy density.

radiant frigate
#

it is great for mixed hordes

lethal lagoon
#

Whether there's 1 rager or 100, it will kill them in 8 seconds.

radiant frigate
#

notsogreat for armor waves

short plaza
bold cape
#

crushers and maulers i pull out the surge

radiant frigate
#

voidstrike

lethal lagoon
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Armor waves(other than crushers) are fine, because you'll probably trigger PC.

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Using EP on Voidstrike is kinda missing the point of the staff

short plaza
#

Voidstrike needs so much time to be charged though

radiant frigate
#

but playing like i'm backline makes me not want to bother

lethal lagoon
bold cape
lethal lagoon
rigid sky
#

If you want to really feel the power of the voidstrike you need disrupt destiny

bold cape
#

i might swap unyielding for flak

lethal lagoon
#

It depends on the team, but I just really like the boss damage.

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And I just don't feel like I need flak that much on EP smite.

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Killing shield boys and og gunners faster is nice too

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Although focusing shield boys down with surge improves your team's DPS, so it hurts my ego

bold cape
#

true

lethal lagoon
bold cape
#

as long as im being helpful im fine with it

short plaza
#

Ogryn gunners are often out of range for smite though. U close the distance for it instead of using another tool?

lethal lagoon
#

I'm (mostly)joking

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Unironically, pubs can get really stuck on shield bois.

bold cape
#

ive seen people struggle hard on bulwarks lmao

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tho tbh sometimes ill fuck up and hit the shield and feel my soul evaporate

rigid sky
#

Bulwarks can be really inconvenient tbh

short plaza
rigid sky
#

they're really easy to kill if they're focusing on somebody else

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if they're focusing on you they just constrict you

lethal lagoon
#

The only really inconveninent part of bulwarks is when your teammates keep reseting their shield/stagger.

rigid sky
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I try to treat bulwarks on other players as middle-ish priority

bold cape
short plaza
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I'm stupid enough to try sliding behind them to strike instead of zapping, while I just zap when they're attacking one of my allies

rigid sky
#

Horde clear is support too

lethal lagoon
rigid sky
#

stealth builds are support

lethal lagoon
#

Supporting your team in dying

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So you can revive them with stealth after.

short plaza
rigid sky
#

also easy auspex objective clears

lethal lagoon
#

That is nice ^

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It's so rare though lmao

rigid sky
#

also the ability to take out bombers and gunners that are in awkward spots

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You can't judge stealth by its worst players

bold cape
short plaza
rigid sky
bold cape
#

i dont sweat but im not exactly casual either as im constantly looking to improve or do better

short plaza
#

Ah in that case OK I see the point

lethal lagoon
#

Plus if you rush ahead and then stealth, you are dumping a metric fuck ton of aggro on your team.

rigid sky
lethal lagoon
#

I mean simply using stealth is going to fuck with aggro

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It's not really about skill

#

you can use it BETTER

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Sure

stiff falcon
short plaza
#

I played a bit stealth in vermintide and used it smartly in those cases so I see what a responsible gameplay is as stealth character

rigid sky
#

I only ever engage enemies that are either engaging the team already, or that are just about to engage the team

lethal lagoon
#

Plus stealth rezzes aren't nessarily a good thing.

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Cause you are potentially raising them in a bad spot, when they might have been better off rezzed later

stiff falcon
rigid sky
lethal lagoon
#

Yeah, stealth rezzes are for when the HP bar is about to run out. Or there's some looming threat.

radiant frigate
short plaza
radiant frigate
#

make them thank you later

stiff falcon
#

Happened to me in a pub and i had to go outside to calm down

lethal lagoon
stiff falcon
radiant frigate
#

getting shot? just say no
bullets cannot legally enter your body without the consent of your toughness

stiff falcon
#

idiot zealot rezzed me into fire

#

instantly killed

lethal lagoon
#

Of course it's better to rez someone who's about to run out of time than not to if you can.

short plaza
#

It's situational but well it's a handy tool if correctly used

short plaza
radiant frigate
#

resses alone are why I'm not swapping off of shriek

lethal lagoon
#

Shriek rezzes feel nice

radiant frigate
#

i like being able to press F to help clear

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undog teammates through walls

stiff falcon
#

idiot pubs be why I run 3 stamina

lethal lagoon
#

Using KD to rez someone in a bad spot and then instantly shrieking is a bro move

short plaza
#

Am I freak if I say mine is G and F is for assail

radiant frigate
#

weirdo

short plaza
bold cape
#

which one do yall like better? im leaning towards the goggles personally but wanted to hear other takes

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short plaza
#

3rd for me

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Very stylish overall BTW

radiant frigate
#

kinetic deflection

bold cape
lethal lagoon
#

You mean you don't want to look like a giant cookie?

#

But how will you feed the Nurgles

radiant frigate
#

i rate most psyker cosmetics tubes/10

lethal lagoon
#

NGL, I'm kinda salty how bad the psyker rogue trader skin looks.

radiant frigate
#

i have bought one premium cosmetic so far

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and it is zealot plate armor

#

nothing else piqued my interest

short plaza
#

I've bought 2 top for the psyker that I find quite stylish. For one it has some sort of futuristic antic Egypt vibe which makes me wondering if I should change my look to fit the physical appearance of an ethnic Egyptian 😂 (the sleeveless golden-ish armor)

lethal lagoon
#

We need a phraoh set.

short plaza
#

The other is a blue nicely cut coat, would go for my gaze build

lethal lagoon
#

Just gimme a straight up anubis head or some shit

late yew
#

What staves you find most fun?

bold cape
#

oh im so happy with my gunker fit now

radiant frigate
#

voidstrike

short plaza
radiant frigate
#

spicy bolt staff

bold cape
short plaza
#

I prefer the other look above (3rd) but that guy announces he's not here to play around

bold cape
#

i cant help but to enjoy dark/edgy fits in games sometimes
it fits well with his absolute lunatic voicelines in scriers gaze and everyone saying he’s gone mad killing shit

serene jetty
#

I’ve hit level 30 with the other three, time to learn how to be a wizard.

bold cape
#

space wizard most fun class

patent wing
#

btw guys i recently discovered pork scratchings as lunch displacement
goated
70g proteins 30g good fats

jovial juniper
hearty oak
#

Hows the mk 16 revolver on a crit psyker? memey or good in some capacity

rigid sky
sacred crane
late yew
#

Was surge stuff nerfed

#

feels weaker than it was

plucky flax
late yew
marble crater
hearty oak
plucky flax
#

Always been bad same with blaze trauma whatthefuck_heresy

hearty oak
#

Yeah they need buffs. Same with purge

#

Bring back mutant stuns

short plaza
#

Yes. Buff surge. I want the zappest zap ever seen!

#

(no because after they will make it super weak... 😢)

bold cape
#

man auric mael ain’t fun rn
as soon as someone goes down it just goes to shit cause they leave, we do worse, so another one leaves, etc
by the end of it im the only one alive and i have 3 bots on my team, so even if i do revive im still fucked

hardy raft
#

which is eh

sacred crane
short plaza
#

Sometimes also I wonder if some players aren't downed because they're disconnecting and they're replaced by a bot just a moment after?

remote orbit
#

I'm starting to play again after a break. My Psyker uses the Shard ultimate and has a blaze sword/recon lasgun loadout. Is this still solid for a psyker?

quartz barn
#

ye not bad, but right now it sounds like you're still levelling

#

so i wouldn't worry too much about loadouts, just try stuff out and see what does and doesn't work for you

shut jackal
short plaza
#

The shard is good to kill at long range so I'd advise you a range weapon you find effective at killing close range elites (like surge) or hordes (purgatus)

remote orbit
#

I suppose at that level is doesn't matter lol?

short plaza
#

Probably myeah but you can surely launch the difficulty 3 without worrying much

quartz barn
#

you're on the higher end level wise, so you should def be able to do malice (3)

short plaza
#

You might there better see what's effective at what

late yew
#

What shard purpose is right now?

#

It feels overnerfed

quartz barn
#

horde clear mostly

late yew
#

I too kvoid stuff with it

short plaza
late yew
#

And there was basically 0 reason ever use shards over the staff

remote orbit
#

I'm a VT2 player, but I realize it's not the same game - I have yet to try Malice...

late yew
#

This game is easier than VT 2

remote orbit
#

I play Champion in that game

late yew
#

or rather, has less BS

#

and toughness >>>> thp

short plaza
quartz barn
#

shards get outclassed by most things later on

#

staffs are way better and guns do more dmg

remote orbit
short plaza
late yew
#

yeah, asi siad, overnerfed

quartz barn
#

but you end up overkilling basic hordes

late yew
remote orbit
#

sounds like I can still run the Blaze Sword - which I really, really like XD

quartz barn
#

then again your main focus should always be elites and specials

shut jackal
#

yeah blaze sword is great

short plaza
late yew
short plaza
remote orbit
#

I've tried the other classes, but Psyker is the reason I play 🙂

quartz barn
short plaza
#

You can work at giving space to another team mate knowing he will down specials if he's let alone but myeah downing elites and specials is a team concern

quartz barn
#

psyker just overkills everything, but is mostly single target unless you run purg

shut jackal
#

if everyone can kill specials, then they all die faster, and this is not a bad thing

remote orbit
short plaza
spice veldt
short plaza
quartz barn
#

never said shards are bad, other things are just better

spice veldt
#

assail fills in the role of a quick and reactive weapon that is distance-agnostic (up to a certain point) and can deal with enemies that are spread out

late yew
quartz barn
spice veldt
#

my bad, my statement should be "they're not outclassed"

bold cape
#

i desperately need a premade for this game

spice veldt
#

in fact, they deal competitive amounts of damage

remote orbit
spice veldt
#

shards don't interact with your teammates

quartz barn
#

friendly fire doesnt exist

#

sadly :/

short plaza
spice veldt
#

prob just the aiming mechanism that's throwing you off

shut jackal
remote orbit
sacred crane
#

I always hot swat between voidstrike and assail when using the two

spice veldt
#

the mechanism works like this: If your cursor is over an enemy, and a shard is sufficiently close enough, then the shard will lock onto them while your cursor is over them

shut jackal
#

in-game they react to being hit, but no damage, just flashes and voiceline

bold cape
#

i usually avoid lfg cause im shy but i might use it for this game

short plaza
spice veldt
#

if you prematurely look away, the shard will fly towards them but then the lock-on is broken, so you do need to hold your cursor over the enemy for a split second for the shard to continue to fly towards them
Typically, if the shard is in lock-on distance, it'll also take very little time for it to fly to the enemy

short plaza
quartz barn
#

lfg here is pretty wack

remote orbit
spice veldt
#

yeah it prob suits you

#

i run assail just cuz it does suit me and i get greedy for kills on groups of elites/specials

quartz barn
#

mfw i dont use any blitz lmao

#

wdym ?? with the stuff im running its just filler

jovial juniper
#

Me with recent smite build

quartz barn
#

ok true thats the only one

jovial juniper
#

I picked it for the extra TDR sub nodes

quartz barn
#

but thats a build specifically for smite

upper sun
#

only correct way to play smite

jovial juniper
late yew
#

Problem with shards is they do same thing that staves do

#

I would only really consider taking it in a build with purgatus and DS

bold cape
#

why do i get an itchy nose everytime i play this game

#

like i swear to god it comes at the most inconvenient times

true lake
#

assail is meant to be used as a quick burst to take out small groups of enemies, especially elites and certain specials

#

obviously it is outperformed by staves that can clear out entire rooms or blow up crushers

wind spruce
analog agate
late yew
short plaza
spice veldt
#

assail deals with spread out enemies better and is not a strict competitor to voidstrike given that they occupy different slots and you can run a different staff with assail

short plaza
#

Yeah I feel like assail effectively gives you the needed range that u don't have when picking a staff more effective at close range (such as surge or purgatus)

spice veldt
#

and it's a weapon with a very minimal active time cost

true lake
#

yeah voidstrike is more if they are all bunched up

short plaza
#

Surge will kill elites way faster than assail but the latter allows you to down shooters further away for exemple

spice veldt
#

e.g., 0.2s for the first shard and 0.3s to throw out the second shard

#

and you can go do other stuff while your shards are still in the air

#

and ignoring the damage aspect, even though it doesn't have degenerate amounts of stagger like trauma/smite/crusher/etc. , the stagger it has is still fairly up there given that it staggers all enemies including and below ragers

crude oxide
#

will monstrous specials work for the psyker penance?

true lake
#

idk if anyone tried lol

short plaza
true lake
#

but make sure you are in a private game specifically for the penance

spice veldt
short plaza
#

Really? Damn! I was so sure it wouldn't I didn't even try

true lake
#

it can just takes a few throws i think

short plaza
#

Not like I'd not prefer zapping them out of existence but it's good to know

spice veldt
#

only takes 1 hit

short plaza
#

Could be useful in some situations

#

Even the armored ones?

spice veldt
#

ye

#

funnily enough, scab ragers have LESS stagger resistance than dreg ragers

short plaza
#

Woaw. Good piece of information here thanks

true lake
#

dregs got them drugs running through them i guess

short plaza
#

Next time I see a team mate loosing a debate with some of those hooligans I'll remember that

spice veldt
#

10/10 counterargument

short plaza
#

Referee joker card

wind spruce
true lake
#

depends on the elite really

#

like a mauler for example, assail wont do much direct damage because it usually targets their head which is carapace

short plaza
rigid sky
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It's really just them and Crushers (and kinda other ogryn) that don't die fast to it

short plaza
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(when i mean elite usually i mean anything heavily armored so maulers, crushers, not sure how actually tough are the armored ragers against assail ?)

true lake
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that one in the middle? i think thats dodge slots?

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might be wrong

short plaza
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Ah ok

true lake
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seems to change count whenever they do a dodge/dash

short plaza
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Soooo i've a bit of time, let's try to see what i can gear for a gaze build and if i can test it !

true lake
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elites just being the ones that happen to show up on the top left

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as for assail on ragers, idk i hardly did it, usually i push attack them then charge up my deimos

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or hit with ranged

short plaza
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@rigid skywhich stat (or anyone knowing can answer really) should i dump on the duelling sword 4 ?

harsh urchin
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cleave

true lake
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i find it funny it even has a stat for that

rigid sky
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Cleave indeed.

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Mobility also

bleak hazel
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this isnt too bad right?

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rigid sky
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Just want it at least 51

narrow herald
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almost

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true lake
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yeah that surge is pretty good

narrow herald
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until i get the bets border in the game

true lake
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lets hope it isnt borked with upgrades

bleak hazel
short plaza
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Cleave is the 4th statistic ? I've 2 things that could be cleave in my language... "penetration" is not what you mean right ?

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My best overall duelling swords for now dump finesse damn

rigid sky
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Nope, penetration is important

true lake
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penetration i think is the amount of armor it can ignore?

rigid sky
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Damage and Finesse are the most important ones

true lake
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finesse is important it factors into damage

bleak hazel
marble crater
rigid sky
marble crater
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Very nice

bleak hazel
short plaza
rigid sky
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That's a forever surge

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You can adjust the perks as much as you like

short plaza
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Which one would u advise ? (it's to start learning the build anyway)

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bleak hazel
marble crater
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The rolls on the second surge are good too, but the low quell speed ruins it

bleak hazel
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what perks and blessings should i put on it

short plaza
rigid sky
marble crater
true lake
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the blessings are fine yeah

rigid sky
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But that's what I mean you can change the perks and try different breakpoints at your leisure now

bleak hazel
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ah right right

rigid sky
true lake
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yeah that first one looks best

marble crater
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Flak and your choice crit chance/maniac/carapace/elites

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I like flak elite on surge

lethal lagoon
short plaza
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Alright let's go with that and see how it goes

bleak hazel
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one day

lethal lagoon
true lake
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not everyone can get actually decent rolls

rigid sky
lethal lagoon
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Realistically, I might never get a dual t4 surge with the right blessings.

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I want the free perks, not just the meta.

rigid sky
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Although might not be true with DD

rigid sky
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So not that unlikely

lethal lagoon
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Which makes it hurt more

rigid sky
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DD sexier though

lethal lagoon
# bleak hazel 🫂

On topic, I'd try out Flak Maniac. There's something satisfying about surging mutants.

rigid sky
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And more consistent now

short plaza
lethal lagoon
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The rager damage doesn't hurt either

bleak hazel
rigid sky
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Tbh Carapace maniac makes sense to take anyway

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Because what else do you melee really

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Chaff dies if you are gunker anyway

bleak hazel
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tho with the carapace/unyielding it can kill a crusher in one warp bar

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gota experiment

plucky flax
short plaza
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Shall i try heresy or damnation ? 😂

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rigid sky
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Unyielding doesn't benefit crusher damage

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Do heresy first for gunker to learn it imo

true lake
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i would stick with heresy first yeah

short plaza
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NO COMFIDENCE IN MY SKILLS ?

lethal lagoon
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It's very comfy

rigid sky
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It's very different

short plaza
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Damnation it is !

true lake
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i mean you do you

rigid sky
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Like a whole new class

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Well good luck with it :D

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Balls the size of planets is necessary for gunker

short plaza
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Good luck to my team

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Burden incoming, planet size

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First game so stutter incoming as well

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Perfect conditions.

true lake
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team when the gunker missed his dueling sword thrust and proceeds get curbstomped by an entire elite squad

short plaza
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I'll be able to blame my defeat on my first try

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My ego can survive a fail in those conditions, not in heresy

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(always prepare excuses.)

true lake
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see the though process is that if you succeed you are a god gamer but if you fail its because your team didnt support you enough

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also that one time when a veteran yelled at me for grabbing a deployable ammo crate as an ogryn

lethal lagoon
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Honestly, I agree with you.

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But I just can't stop cheating.

bleak hazel
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what about this badboy

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😎

upper sun
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HOW

bleak hazel
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its literally the weapon you get when you start the game

rigid sky
bleak hazel
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i never scrapped it

true lake
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how even

upper sun
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WHY DOES SOMEONE GET FLAK AS A PERK ON SURGE ON ONE STAFF AND ANOTHER STAFF WITH 2 FREE PERKS

true lake
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he used up all his good luck on the surge staff

upper sun
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if the crafting update doesnt unfuck my surge collection im legit dropping psyker as a class

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i dont care

bleak hazel
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yea i get the feeling i wont get a good weapon for a while now

rigid sky
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Become a voidstrike main

true lake
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voidstrike is tempting

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idk if mine is even any good, i have to double check it

bleak hazel
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i remember i have had this staff for a looong time

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like first months of the games release

upper sun
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kill it tbh

true lake
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extra damage to unarmored?

bleak hazel
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yea i used it to shoot into crowds

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i was not very smart back then

rigid sky
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It's still good to shoot into a crowd

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You just don't need help for it lmao

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Unarmoured might be good for dreg gunners I guess but seems not worth it

true lake
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yeah, most weapons would just obliterate any typical horde enemy as is

zenith vigil
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so close to greatness, yet so far 😅

short plaza
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Ive somehow managed to survive but i spawned quite close of the end of the mission

zenith vigil
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i'll buy it and save for that itemization rework...

true lake
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fire staff with the extra crit chance

zenith vigil
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same, I buy anything that's 370 or higher

short plaza
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5 minutes test. 😂