psyker-class

[radiant frigate]

ep smite fucks

[wind spruce]

Seems way nicer with warp charges

The peril reduction is v nice

But I just don't like the smite playstyle in general

[bold cape]

might take bb over smite cause i want psykinetics aura but i get like no use out of smite

[rigid sky]

You better be talking about accatran laspistol

Recon lasguns are dogshit for psyker lol

[idle plover]

i have found the lasgun functional enough with scryer

accatran one

[wheat tulip]

recon guns are only good with max dd stacks and scriers and then you have to ask yourself why arent you using ciag which is better in every situation comparatively

especially with how awful the accuracy of the recon guns are

I get that its game balance but its either a laser gun or a plasma gun and neither have as much recoil as basic ammo but for some reason they all have the worst recoil

[wind spruce]

The answer is variety

[bold cape]

variety is the spice of life

[wheat tulip]

if you want a fast shooting laser gun the small infantry laser one shoots faster than you can click and is fairly accurate while also being pretty great ammo wise and damage wise

I use one on my zealot last I calculated it was 7.5 shots per second

[wind spruce]

Melee only is up woohoo

I've started running gun psyker in it and it's absolutely fine... since I'm using duelling sword to kill everything but specials

[wheat tulip]

Psyker is the one class that has no issues balancing weapons for all situations because you get to pick from the top abilities to take what youre lacking. For zealot i have to pick my ranged for either elite/specs or carapace for vet because powersword is so OP its not a problem but for anything else its the same, dont play ogryn but they usually struggle against carapace unless theyre bleed knockdown

or they take the grenade gun and trash carapace but hoover up all the ammo Ive been repeatedly told I only play with trash ogryns though, havent seen a single good one other than gunluggers that do nothing but shoot while stealing all the ammo

[marble crater]

Ogryn folding shovel turns carapace into a joke too

[weary crane]

So I just found out not only can other monsters hit you inside nurgles but when he does his tail smash it also damages you

[atomic walrus]

So I have shred lvl 4 blessing, but I can't put it on my duelling IV sword. I remember before that I could have it?

[marble crater]

Do you have shred 4 for dueling swords?

[atomic walrus]

It might be that I use an outdated site but I though shred on any meele weapon can go on the others.

[potent echo]

force greatsword

[marble crater]

Blessings are only shared within the same weapon "family" so all dueling swords share blessings, all force swords.

[marble crater]

But you can't use force sword blessings on dueling swords

[radiant frigate]

ogryn folding shovel also takes 3-5 business days to swing

[potent echo]

still faster than paul

[marble crater]

It does, but when it swings

[potent echo]

and paul doesnt even have thrust

[radiant frigate]

when it swings it can onetap crushers to the shoulder

[potent echo]

i tested the shovel fold

it does no extra damage on headshot

[marble crater]

It can one shot several crushers at once

[potent echo]

just to proc brumo and cap 4 crushers

[radiant frigate]

is it just brutal momentum then

[lyric burrow]

yeah shovel + thrust can just do enough damage to one shot a crusher iirc which is all it takes to one shot 3 more with BM

[atomic walrus]

Is grey weapons that are below 360 worth upgrading to role for blessings?

[spice veldt]

yeah and in my case, with DD, i need a crit to hit rager oneshots anyways (with uncanny strike and/or buffs up
the interesting thing is that riposte is indeed more average value than precognition if you have DD up

the "avg value" of riposte was calculated as (crit-weakspot / weakspot) * 0.2
The increase from precog was calculated as (with-precog / without-precog)

[spice veldt]

sure y not
ypu

oop

[wind spruce]

IT FINALLY HAPPENED

[spice veldt]

you'll prob have more plasteel than ordo dockets if you care for only one type of weapon

for me, i did have a material surplus when i was upgrading only a few weapons over a certain rating

[wind spruce]

i FINALLY got the last iteration of my duelling sword, after dozens of rolls

[spice veldt]

woo

[wind spruce]

(dozens that are, lets be honest, less than 1% actually different than this)

i can finally have riposte/uncanny/carapace/maniac

without comprising the tier of blesssing

lmao

wait what are we arguing about

i see discussiosn about precog etc

[true lake]

what a great system where we must spend millions of dockets to get usable weapons

[wind spruce]

to be fair i have dozens of VERY usuable duelling swords

but yeah it would be nice to build up one weapon that you can change all the perks/blessings on

rather than needing a couple dozen to be able to have every iteration of perk/blessings

but i have now achieved that with my beloved duelling sword

also my contribution to the discussion is that precognition is fucking awful, and you're doing a mega cope to prefer it over riposte

the ONLY situation where its uptime isnt straight dumpster fire is against monstrosities

[true lake]

I keep saying idk why they didn't just do the exact same system as VT2 with maybe slight modifications to accommodate the not having weapon chests at end of runs

[wind spruce]

how are you calculating the riposte average value

[true lake]

probably sitting in damnation grinder with crushers

[spice veldt]

the "avg value" of riposte was calculated as (crit-weakspot / weakspot) * 0.2

[wind spruce]

crit/non-crit*0.2?

ok yeah sweet

[true lake]

as for math idk how people found it

[wind spruce]

that is very interesting how it plays out with DD

good to know my riposte choice has been justified regardless of uptime

[cloud sequoia]

i dont remember psyker robe cosmetics

[hearty oak]

too much time in the psykanium

[cloud sequoia]

looked like fancy gandalf

[true lake]

wtf cosmetic is that

fancy as shit

[wind spruce]

i actually dont recognise this one

[hearty oak]

The 'Gloriana' set isn't it?

[rigid sky]

SG and DD are why the recon is unsuitable for us actually. Gun psyker is a thing because we get an insane multiplier on our crit and weakspot bonuses, but the recon has very poor multipliers for those.

If you want a rapid fire gun you will do so much better with a CIAG

[true lake]

stub revolver is funny too

[zinc phoenix]

CIAG obsoletes pretty much every other gun

Idk why it exists

[true lake]

quick draw the sniper from across the map

[hearty oak]

The only build where I can see the recon mk6 doing really good is with EP BB and obviously infernus.

[bronze scarab]

could someone link me some beginner friendly psyker builds? usually playing zealo

[true lake]

you probably want to do a berserker like build to ease into psyker then

[rigid sky]

You probably want Surge or purgatus for a newb

Void and trauma more technical

And gunker weird

[lyric burrow]

i find riposte to just work out better generally although precog isnt awful on DS4 since heavies chain so fast

[true lake]

illisi sword for crowd cleave, deimos for single target (it's really good at bosses and armored)

[hearty oak]

Gunker is just psyker with the zoomies

[lyric burrow]

but riposte also gets the benefit of being much easier to use

[bronze scarab]

my psyker is lvl 8 😄

just sayiung

currently leveling but have no clue what to skill down in the tree

[spice veldt]

psyker's tree doesn't have too many permutations and it'll boil down to what you like

[bronze scarab]

dunno

i like aoe stuff

[hearty oak]

Like do you want CC on demand that stops damn near everything? Or have high single DPS casts

[rigid sky]

Purgatus goes baaaaaah

Talent-wise the biggest aoe thing you get really is Shriek with creeping flames

Surge is an aoe crowd control which becomes good for damage too once you get down to EP keystone

Perilous Combustion can do some nice opportunistic aoe extra damage too I guess

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/hnjmox

[rigid sky]

Apart from that it ends up being your weapons though

Illisi for melee aoe, or trauma/purgatus for ranged. Void too but in a weird way with more single target focus.

Generally you don't want you whole kit to be aoe or single target though, you normally make some combination between your melee, ranged and blitz

Tbh at level 8 just pick the blitz you want and grab it, you don't have that many choices

Assail is amazingly powerful at low level play

So powerful it will get in the way of you learning fundamentals lmao

Still good at high level too

[marble crater]

Did you mean smite?

[rigid sky]

Yes lol

Tbh I only take smite with Surge and I only take Surge with smite

So I get them a little confused sometimes

[marble crater]

Same, it just makes sense, big damage small lightning and small damage big lightning

[rigid sky]

unlimited power

[lyric burrow]

fair and balanced

[atomic walrus]

Anyone know if disrupting destiny is bugged? I don't get stacks for it, it just keeps it at one

[spice veldt]

there's an issue where buffs don't show up if there were too many buffs on your bar

so just a visual bug--DD still works

[atomic walrus]

Ah, I did feel like it did aktivate but only showed one.

Any tips on what I should re-bless this one with?

[bronze scarab]

ngl

i like the aoe from rightclick leftclick on the staff

[wind spruce]

Acco what mod are you using to have the red dodge counter

[spice veldt]

Show Remaining Dodges, though i made my custom modifications

[wind spruce]

Wait is that ur stam in the middle

[spice veldt]

my stamina sits right above my health/toughness

i made it scale a bit instead of always being the same length

[wind spruce]

Right so the red is you going into negative dodges

[spice veldt]

ye

i don't have it counting the # of red dodge and just have it go to red since that's good nuff for telling me that i should be letting it reset some time soon

[wind spruce]

And the <1s timer is time remaining until dodges reset?!

[rigid sky]

The lone stack you get is the secondary movespeed effect

[spice veldt]

yee

[wind spruce]

So cool

[spice veldt]

the timer is from numericUI but showremainingdodges probably has access to the cooldown as well

hell yeah my UI is rad despite what my haters say

[wind spruce]

I installed show remaining dodges earlier today and the default settings are shithouse

[spice veldt]

yeah a bit too big for my tastes by default

this is what the meatgrinder is for, to ctrl shift R my UI into greatness

[wind spruce]

No option to make it always visible. No option to remove the text. No option to make it add bars per dodge used instead of use them up

Also does the default UI seriously not have a fucking counter for when you have 1/2 shield walls available

[wind spruce]

Shred for Uncanny
Sprint for carapace or maniac

[bold cape]

i think my dodge counter is from crosshair hud

[wind spruce]

next step, recreate ingame
https://outplayed.tv/media/EZwR5a

[hearty dagger]

Mfw i can't proc precog because the surge/smite psyker keeps stunning everything and can't get DD stacks because the ogryn shoots literally everything on sight

[upper sun]

:))))))

we love smite dont we

[hearty dagger]

Genuinely pisses me off that whenever the smiteker does stun things it ends up working against me since i run precog

Just had a game where that happened.

The surge psyker kept stunning everything i was about to proc precog off of and the ogryn just wiped everything i tried to get stacks from

The stun didn't even help since whatever was behind the guy that just got surge smacked me in the face anyway

[rigid sky]

I tend to not rely on precognition anyway

It's a bonus

[marble crater]

If you can't proc precog, because things are stunned, you are not in a situation where it matters

[rigid sky]

Does feel bad though ngl

[upper sun]

my next mistake

[hearty dagger]

To be fair trying to get precog off a crusher to kill it faster only for the surge psyker to stun it and leave me with no damage bonus+multiple crushers on my ass is a pretty feelsbad situation

[upper sun]

crit damage speicalists nexus 3 😭

[marble crater]

I understand it feels bad, in that situation another psyker is also attacking it, resulting in it dying faster though. Maybe it equals out

[potent echo]

if its a lone crusher it doesnt matter at all, but i wish ranged players will focus on targets not already being atttacked by melee players

[upper sun]

Ive seen that happen exactly once in 1100 hours of play

one person actually stopped charging BB at a target i was chastising

[calm sapphire]

It's ok, me when I play TH zealot

[upper sun]

hes a real one where ever he is

[wheat tulip]

I dont see an issue with murdering everything as fast as possible, I always target things closer to melee people because, you know, breathing room is good. The exception is gunners but if there are 3 crushers and 1 is already next to someone in melee Im targetting the one already in combat because if I dont and they take a hit its my fault

I mean if youre charging a trauma secondary are you going to target halfway through the horde and do esentially nothing or the group right behind what the melee people are fighting and give them a second of breathing room when they finish off the 2 chaff theyre fighting

[upper sun]

so tru so tru if you ever see a zealot or an ogryn with low toughness make sure to nuke the hoards around them so they get a little breathing room

[marble crater]

Nuke them in a way that doesn't fling enemies away from them though, or they will die

[wheat tulip]

If theyre getting hit by the little guys thats dumb #1 #2 if they have low toughness from shooting enemies Im not fighting the horde Im killing elites that are shooting

do people honestly get hit by chaff?

We have dodge charges for a reason

[upper sun]

yes

[quartz barn]

i always prio specials and elites while shooting through the horde

[upper sun]

besides that you wouldnt be on low toughness from the trash but from everything else

[marble crater]

Most people don't play perfect 100% of the time, so yeah people will get hit by chaff from time to time

[quartz barn]

no point in fully focussing on enemies close by teammates when they should be able to deal with it themselves

[wheat tulip]

If its pure chaff Im dumping aoe into the close horde if its elites Im just killing them if its mixed then Im killing the elites they cant target because of the horde

[quartz barn]

• with my playstyle im always in the middle anyway

[wheat tulip]

but if its melee elites Im CCing with trauma secondary so they can just whack them on the ground

[quartz barn]

or i just cover one side, usually the back, on my own

[wheat tulip]

I dont know its kind of dumb theres usually 3 modes, spawning chaff waves with mixed elites in which case you target things close to everyone to give room, room of ranged elites where you just stand back killing them one at a time and hell mode where you hvae 10 gunners 5 shotgunners pushing everyone around a dozen ragers and maulers and mixed chaff where Im going back to the first one while moving backwards to get to a choke point so we can ignore the ranged units

[hearty dagger]

Pretty sure dude was just firing uncharged to stun. Dude wasn't killing them whatsoever.

[marble crater]

Well that's useless then, yes

If they ever increase the heavy 1 damage

[hearty dagger]

Ngl i can't wait for shockmaul assuming psyker also gets it

I've been playing shovel vet and just hitting something really hard with a blunt object is satisfying as hell.

[upper sun]

PREBRICKED LETS FUCKING GOOO

[marble crater]

It is fun

[marble crater]

I'm buying all bricked bases with good stats, because the update will fix it

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1244995991396946032/main-qimg-a5bf2100a18a0ff362c97fb588cf5fce-pjlq.jpg?ex=665c6a5f&is=665b18df&hm=c94e6716f24a14ae929f7f9e15dc4e7e7b21335a4e21b84b56230a1a89291bbe&

[hollow current]

[shy pewter]

I've been doing that since launch, surely one day they will be good

[marble crater]

Emperor willing in 25 days

[upper sun]

opening salvo seems to have a very low reset time on agri 9

i think it might be usable

[true lake]

not fully ready ofc, need to switch out rampage

and one of the perks

but not bad at all

[plucky flax]

I do.

[hearty oak]

Wheres the sedition video then

[plucky flax]

Not possible I'm near Antarctica with the worst Internet know to mankind.

[hearty oak]

[upper sun]

imagine going for vacation to antarctica

[hearty oak]

Just a casual snow trip

[sacred crane]

Ok siblings I want to level and use a dogshit weapon for psyker, so should I go
Tac axe or devil's claw

[marble crater]

I never used either

But yes, use one of those together with a recon lasgun

[sacred crane]

ok ngl the antrox tac axe is actually putting in some work

[true lake]

probably devil claw because parry is funny

[wheat tulip]

parry is good against elite melees and there is a single tac axe that is ok if you have crit/finesse buffs it only has issues in hordes but knife is probably better

[quartz barn]

devil's claw is kinda solid

variant with the horizontal sweeps is good vs hordes while the other seems to do the same dmg but single target xd

[wheat tulip]

Yea its solid as a defensive option that still does single target damage but there are so many better options for a horde clear since it takes like 2-3 hits to kill anything with. I used to pack a graia with it on zealot and vet since it practically has infinite ammo so I would mag dump hordes then parry kill with it but on psyker? Its just bad compared to literally all the cool options and force swords are better defensivly anyway

[zinc phoenix]

They do cruises it’s pretty cool apparently

Ayyy

[flat shadow]

it takes 2-3 hits to kill but also chops through like 5 guys without blessings and attacks fast

even the mk1 with the side heavies can do decent single target if you go do the two heavies into the overhead light

or just wait for the 900 damage parry

[marble crater]

Let me guess, psyker is your main

[hearty oak]

Every shirtless psyker wears the mask. Pants is preference

[true lake]

put your damn shirt on you are going to blind all the veterans and zealots and cause them to enter a rage state

[upper sun]

why do they wear the mask?

[hearty oak]

Its the only face item that works that doesnt look weird or floats above the shoulders

[lethal swan]

Oh yeah, do you guys have a good Trauam Staff Burning Spirit build? I wanted to finally get around to trying that out but don't know where to start

[plucky flax]

Yes.

Veri bad don't attempt.

But if you must build is at the start. Melee can be whatever you want you're using staff 95% of the game
https://youtu.be/BmMGD1ev5rE

Courtesy of Mr. Unsanctioned

[upper sun]

wow posting someone else's game play how sad 😭

[plucky flax]

I'm sorry he's just really cool I want to be like him. But I am sedition player.

[upper sun]

im so close bros....

[narrow herald]

This feels easier now I finished the 10 Auric missions one

[lapis violet]

wait this is hella salvageable

[upper sun]

its asking to be a rending trauma

[lapis violet]

what do i do with flurry? rending shockwave?

man i already have shockwave unlocked

[upper sun]

keep flurry and put rending

[lapis violet]

and weak spot to flak? maniac?

[upper sun]

weakspot to something like flak yeah

[lapis violet]

what do you guys play trauma with?

[upper sun]

flak crit blazing spirit and nexus

[lapis violet]

i meant for talents

[upper sun]

i do have another rending one but i dont like it as much

ah

[lapis violet]

i'm imagining assail

[upper sun]

smite/bb warp siphon and creeping flames

[lapis violet]

since you got big dmg, making bb not worth it

creeping flames might be the way maybe

oh yeah shriek is a must have

wtf is brittleness btw

[upper sun]

its a debuff to a target enemy

[lapis violet]

duh

what it do

[upper sun]

makes them take slightly more damage

it was good but it got nerfed a while ago

[lapis violet]

how much per stack, do you know?

[upper sun]

lemme check idk

huh that cant be right wait

[lapis violet]

okay am i the only person weaving a ds4 specials between heavies?

shit staggers even a crusher

[upper sun]

ok on reapers should increase it by like 15% on more armored enemies more

[wheat tulip]

there is no reason not to its a free 100 damage if you spam it exactly after plus it staggers most things if they havent been staggered recently

[upper sun]

on crushers by like 30%

[wheat tulip]

only times i dont is if it doesnt matter for breakpoints, I dont need the stagger or I think its going to mess up my dodges

and yes obviously theres less damage on armored things I mostly practice on rager packs in the psych ward

[upper sun]

works a bit weird on melee/ranged

second cast gives me 25% increase

idk more damage more better

[spice veldt]

brittleness gives rending to incoming attacks on an enemy
assuming it's still the same as before, it's 2.5% rending per stack

up to 16 stacks able to be applied

[upper sun]

stacks fade one at a time or all at once?

all at once right?

[spice veldt]

all at once iirc

and applying will refresh the timer

[wheat tulip]

if they live long enough that you need to reapply you did something wrong. Unless it also works on bosses

and if it works on bosses thats stupid extra damage on all the weapons that give rending blessings so

[lapis violet]

they last 5s so you reach 16 and just spam as much as you can

[true lake]

do any of you guys also have horrible lag that makes the game borderline unplayable

also sound issues but I think everyone has that issue tbh

I tried to play earlier and the sound was so buggy it would cut out every other second while my game was running at a crawl despite having super low graphics settings

[upper sun]

swedish programming 😭

[marble crater]

I didn't have problems yet after the last hot fix, for me it's better than before.
I also didn't play much yet though, but still before the hot fix I would have crashed by now

[hushed egret]

does warp rider show up on the buff bar?

[plucky flax]

Nein.

[sacred crane]

Worst psyker melee?

[lapis violet]

achlys

or are you asking psyker-specific?

if psyker specific, it might be obscurus

[sacred crane]

Not psyker specifjc

[lapis violet]

achlys by far

worst melee in game

[sacred crane]

Which one is achlys again

Is it the blue axe?

[lapis violet]

achlys combat axe

nah the very angular one

[sacred crane]

Oh that one

[lapis violet]

if psyker specific, obscurus blaze force sword

[tired estuary]

Achlys can work on zealot b/c they get enough attack speed buffs

Ogryn power maul prolly worse lol

[lapis violet]

if you're willing to run a combat axe on zealot and are willing to invest a boatload of money into a usable weapon that doesn't struggle with horde clear, you're never running achlys

[sacred crane]

The power maul is sad to see since it seems VERY powerful

[tired estuary]

With comical attack speed and bromentum being broken even achlys doesn't struggle vs hordes

[lapis violet]

it struggles with cleaving through enemies (has basically no cleave), has less reach than the knives do and is in a similar position to thunder hammers where the combo is heavy into bash attack ad nauseam

[tired estuary]

Paul struggles to kill like, 2 bruisers even with full build maximizing it

[lapis violet]

paul

https://tenor.com/view/dune-part-two-part-2-paul-atreides-paul-muaddib-gif-9347339596529368519

[tired estuary]

P maul power maul paul w/e you wanna caul it lol

[lapis violet]

caul

what a legend

[tired estuary]

Its hard to type on phone for me

[sacred crane]

Why did they make the giant club that only the strongest can wield with a powerful charge attack deal have worse dps than a knife

(No offense to the combat knives)

[tired estuary]

b/c aoe stun

[lapis violet]

have you ever used a knife? 2nd highest damage right after crucis hammer

or third if we're including other classes, aka ds4 heavy spam

[sacred crane]

Yes, i run knife with my gunker build

[lapis violet]

use it on zealot with a crit flesh tearer build

[sacred crane]

I do

[lapis violet]

i've never struggled with killing anything

[sacred crane]

I have a good knife on all my classes

[lapis violet]

knives do not at all struggle with dps against anything

[sacred crane]

Also mobility

[lapis violet]

i'm an addict

[sacred crane]

Now back to begging fatshark to add a force gun for psyker and make it not a staff and an actual gun

[hushed egret]

also a force hammer or club

[upper sun]

DID SOMEONE SAY THUNDERHAMMER

[hushed egret]

btw am I missing something important for BB breakpoints? I've perfect timing, warp rider, empowered psionics, and kinetic presence. I've got some decent breakpoints, but I feel like I need just a little bit more to make it reliably surpass breakpoints

[rich spindle]

im pretty sure tac axe is the worst psyker weapon

[hushed egret]

cant quite one shot muties with all buffs maxed, same for flak ragers. other enemies can be pretty reliably one or two shot including crushers, but it's by inches

[rich spindle]

brain burst?

[hushed egret]

ye

[hushed egret]

[rich spindle]

idk those are all the + warp damage talents

BB is really just for mutie waves

I dont try to kill ragers or crushers with it

pretty sure you have no other reliable way to boost bb damage

[rigid sky]

EP BB oneshots ragers reliably I thought

[upper sun]

cool now do flak ragers

[rigid sky]

BB is great for gunners too

[upper sun]

i think you need like 40 peril to one shot a flak rager?

[wheat tulip]

I cant imagine taking BB without EP, its going to be a pain to do the 100 kills with max warp charge one, you cant use an ability or you lose your charges so you cant get cool down there and you dont have EP so you dont have that cool down just like a 2 second charge to kill 1 thing

[upper sun]

actually the EP penance was a lot easier to do on lower threat levels when you dont have to worry about breakpoints

i did that one on shoch troop malice since elites dont do damage there

so you can just brainburst them while tanking them in melee range

[rigid sky]

My purgatus build is warp charges and brain rupture

I kinda hate it though

Rupture is strictly a tool for that to kill isolated or distant priority targets, and to crack Crushers in a reasonable TTK

It's a support

But in my bubble EP trauma I use my BR as another primary weapon

[hushed egret]

I couldnt get a one shot with kinetic presence, warp damage on crit, ep, and even warp rider maxed

[upper sun]

on flak ragers?

[hushed egret]

mhm

[upper sun]

even with ep?

[hushed egret]

maybe I could recheck to make sure that I did in fact try with all of those stacked, but pretty confident

[hushed egret]

ye

[upper sun]

hmmm

oh yeah

i dont think flak rager is doable

[spice veldt]

if only damage% didn't stack weirdly for brain rupture

[proud mantle]

does perilous combustion not work anymore

[spice veldt]

what not be working about it

it's working for me at least

[proud mantle]

doesnt seem to be proccing

nobody is on fire

i also saw a teammate on soulfire

[upper sun]

range is a bit low

[spice veldt]

are you triple sure you have it picked

[upper sun]

does it work in meat grinder?

[proud mantle]

it was the maelstrom mission where gunners are back to back

so it should proc

range wise

this ogryn is on fire

[upper sun]

idk i was just playing purge not 30 seconds ago it worked fine

kinetic flyer tho that shit never procs when you need it to

the second upgrade needs to be reworked frfr

[rigid sky]

Reduce the cooldown maybe

Or make it trigger only on killfeed enemies

Maybe make it only trigger on killfeed enemies but increase the cd a little

And increase the chance

[upper sun]

idk im not feeling it at all

[rigid sky]

Current version is dogshit anyway

[upper sun]

if the cooldown is too low itll be broken with purge and useless with other shit i fear

[rigid sky]

I can see it being great with purgatus

[upper sun]

i think im gonna switch it out with 15 toughness or smth

[rigid sky]

If they make it only target killfeed enemies

[rigid sky]

What do you got ATM?

[upper sun]

bb ep basked without bm

[rigid sky]

Kinetic Resonance I presume

[upper sun]

idk what to do with the last point

[rigid sky]

Middle one in EP isn't too bad

[upper sun]

15 toughness or 5% ranged damage?

[rigid sky]

Puppet master

[upper sun]

idk i dont have toughness regen problems with psyker esp with basked

[upper sun]

maybe idk

[rigid sky]

15 toughness is the other main choice

[upper sun]

yeah

[rigid sky]

Probably best choice tbh

I'm guessing this is Blaze Trauma?

[upper sun]

i usually have the 15 toughness but i tried KF im not feeling

[upper sun]

purge

[rigid sky]

Ah, k

[upper sun]

i have two builds for purge double wall and creeping flames

[rigid sky]

Tbh I don't like wildfire on purgatus, but you have excess points from going EP anyway so you might as well take it

[upper sun]

though double wall is kinda hard

[upper sun]

yeah

[rigid sky]

Have you tried warp charges?

[upper sun]

yeah but its too point hungry

[rigid sky]

You definitely don't have too many points then lol

I have to drop Kinetic deflection to make it work

But I love the in fire reborn synergy

It's my only build that I run warp Siphon on tbh

Shit keystone lmao

[upper sun]

also kinetic deflection is nice with warp expenditure

[rigid sky]

But moar Shriek is fun

Yeah, you have to drop both for WS really

Or at least I do

Warp expenditure is always the first point to go when you don't take EP

[upper sun]

warp siphon diet when

[rigid sky]

In fire reborn reborn reborn reborn reborn reborn reborn

[upper sun]

zealot has to run a bit to get extra damage vet has to wait 3 seconds for extra damage

ogryn has to push a bit for extra toughness while we have to BLEED for anything

[lapis violet]

trauma iis so fucking strong wth is going on

[rigid sky]

DD best keystone anyway

Just requires specific ranged weapons

[upper sun]

DD is so nice and cheap 😭

other stuff needs some qol fixes

like deimos animation lock warpsiphon being so fat

maybe purge lmb animations too

the quell cancelling is so hard on my fingies

id ask agent how he doesnt if he wasnt dead rn

[lapis violet]

fs did an oopsie

[upper sun]

yeah

its not bad 1.5 games max

[lapis violet]

what i mean is that

kinetic presence is only elite

but the penance is for elite and specialists

[upper sun]

OHHH shit mb

idk psyker ones are the easiest

[lapis violet]

they're not hard but like

[upper sun]

they took me like 2 days over all

[lapis violet]

smite took like 5-6 games give or take

and i wasn't having fun for one of them

[upper sun]

my friend try loner penance or ogryn nuke

youd have even less fun

[lapis violet]

i have 60/60 on zealot

and i don't play ogryn

but ogryn's one for nuke is just praying you find grenades

[upper sun]

nah thats not how you do it

step 1 queue into mercantile

step 2 nuke hoard

step 3 leave and requeue

[hushed egret]

ogryn nuke is fun, just takes time

[upper sun]

nah im not wasting nukes just to get my penance going

[hushed egret]

if only because it'll come passively as you play anyway

[upper sun]

id rather just do 1 nuke a game than hoover up every grenade in the mission

[hushed egret]

a good nuke will clear out 25 guys pretty regularly, dont have to waste it

[upper sun]

nah not always

[hushed egret]

not always but, it'll happen regularly

[upper sun]

nuking 6 snipers or 8 gunners is better than nuking 25 brusiers

[hushed egret]

very true

I'm just saying you dont have to change your game plan much to get the nuke penance, hell you dont even have to think about it much. just have nuke on hand so you can pop it at opportune times. just time consuming, but you can absolutely have fun doing it

[lapis violet]

my trauma keeps hard carrying teams what in the world have i been doing this entire time without it

[clear bridge]

It's amazing how they take an incredibly fun ability and make its use so painful

Ogryn nuke is amazing and hilarious

And the penance is ass

[jovial juniper]

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma bad pls delete

[lapis violet]

not running blaze

[plucky flax]

[lapis violet]

observe the beast

[lethal lagoon]

[plucky flax]

[clear bridge]

Preeeeeetty beastly

[strong gulch]

Does the smelter complex puzzle trigger a monster? This was a normal Hersey with no modifiers and we has 2 active monsters for some reason.

[tawny pebble]

dear fuck

i finally started doing aurics

after staying for a long while at regular damnation

the difficulty jump was...not as bad as expected, but it was a system shock nonetheless lol

[hasty breach]

its fun tho right?!

CHAOS

[tawny pebble]

i think the pure chaos + competent allies makes it fun

only death was due to the accursed deep archives stairs burster

right off the edge, me

[rich spindle]

Its insanely high intesnity right

Thts why I got addicted to this game

I used to get actual adrenaline rushes from auric missions lol

[tawny pebble]

Auric Heresy seems roughly comparable to the hardest Damnations I've done

I'm scared of what Auric Damnation holds though lol

[fast eagle]

I might be coping rn, but is a trauma staff with 80% on every other modifiers (bessides dmg & warp resistant, there at 71%) good?

I got brittleness 4 and soulblaze 4 on it.

I felt like I hit the lottery

[fast eagle]

Ok nvm I in matter in fact hit the lottery

[lethal lagoon]

Perfect Blaze Trauma has Flak, 5% crit chance, Soulblaze, Nexus, 80% blast and Charge rate.

For reference.

[clear bridge]

Depends

Often, an extremely fun and varied challenge with competent teammates working seamlessly in silence

[lethal lagoon]

That's boring to me ^, get me some shit pubs.

[clear bridge]

Also often- pure torture and absolute tomfoolery

Silent trappers, sudden bursters, and brainless curs

[lethal lagoon]

I usually quit the game when the playerbase get's too good and wait for the next patch.

The director is also going to vary pretty hugely between games, you can get some fairly chill auric damns.

[stone totem]

I find the director is absolutely squeezing our collective balls lately

I think it is learning what works over time, can't say for sure though

[shy pewter]

It certainly has been on a tear in my games lately

[stone totem]

I was last alive earlier and I made it to the respawn three times before I could revive, every single time it spawned weakened bosses and hordes

What an asshole

[true lake]

ai director when it sees you leave coherency for 0.2 nanoseconds and sends a squad of trapper, bombers, and flames after you with a couple snipers overlooking your only escape

[empty ocean]

is this worth making or is the damage stat too low

ive basically just used the deimos since i unlocked it so idk about axes

[sacred crane]

soulblaze build kinda fucks

1.7K crits with a silly staff...

[lethal lagoon]

The old scoreboard is fairly inaccurate btw.

you want ovenproof

[strong gulch]

@lethal lagoon Do you know if the smelter complex puzzle triggers monsters?? I was doing a regular T4 with no modifiers with a buddy and no one ran off. We had two active monsters for some reason.

I get the one being there beause of the section of the map triggering it, but idk why there are two.

[lethal lagoon]

I always used smelter when I was doing the maelstrom penance thingy cause it seems to spawn monsters more often.

mallus maelstrom or whatever

So I could see it spawning two monsters

I don't think there's a guranteed trigger though

The only guarteed trigger I know of is the level that has a stopped train as an event at the very end

[strong gulch]

Kk

[sacred crane]

wait, its outated?

[lethal lagoon]

It's not outdated, it was just never fully accurte

It sometimes counts overkill as damage

So like if you are getting a lot of last hits, it would inflate your damage depending on weapon usage.

Trauma is a big issue with that

I suspect a lot of people think rending trauma is a lot better than it actually is because they are using the old scoreboard.

[strong gulch]

I always seem to get a monster at the door that has to be opened with a button. Lol. Now the run seems even more silly.

My buddy doesn't play much. Whenever he plays, the AI director is cursed af.

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah I get a monster there at least like 80% of the time

But there are times it doesn't spawn in either room in that area

[strong gulch]

Monsters need breaks too.

[lethal lagoon]

Chaos spawn is a chainsmoker

Just to get extra breaks

[strong gulch]

chaos spawn union

[strong gulch]

active duty people

[lethal lagoon]

Even today, most jobs let smokers just fuck off for 10 minutes whenever they want.

[strong gulch]

true

[dusty orbit]

what does charging assail do?

[clear bridge]

Tends to increase the amount your parents love you

[dusty orbit]

impossible

[spice veldt]

longer lifetime, locks onto the first enemy, and does 400 damage or whatever instead of 200

[clear bridge]

But no dps benefit i know of

...nevermind lol

So what can unempowered assail oneshot?

[spice veldt]

is 340 base damage on RMB, not 400

[dusty orbit]

from what ive seen charging assail is kinda useless

[spice veldt]

it can oneshot a few enemies depending on your buffs and if it's a crit + weakspot

[dusty orbit]

the small extra damage never seems worth charging all that time compared to spamming it

[spice veldt]

i do it to save on assail charges or if i know i'll hit a breakpoint with it (e.g., annihilating shotgunners)

[dusty orbit]

Speaking of which that charge time is ridiculous

also

Is there literally any way to get your assails back faster?

[spice veldt]

nah
only waiting

[dusty orbit]

dammit

[lethal lagoon]

Impossible because they love you so much they can't love you anymore

[lethal lagoon]

snipers, usually.

If you mean the right click

[spice veldt]

at least with DD and some other stuff, a crit-weakspot does oneshot dreg gunners

[upper sun]

ive seen someone else post about that it also looked like smelter complex

[true lake]

puzzle? only map with puzzle i know about is the twins

[upper sun]

every map has a puzzle for the relic

[true lake]

guess i never really saw any of the relic stuff

[wind spruce]

Vaguely amusing, double stacking KR
https://outplayed.tv/media/4rr7V7

[strong gulch]

Dang smelter complex.

[upper sun]

i dont think its the puzzle tho

i did it there for other people never got the double boss spawn

[strong gulch]

Agree. Was just so odd. My buddy only gets cursed games when he plays. It's clearly him.

[upper sun]

yeah block em

[potent echo]

Maybe the boss followed you for the entire first half of the map

[strong gulch]

It just slowly creeping up and peeking around corners.

[lethal lagoon]

Boss health bars don't appear until they have aggro, right?

[ionic sorrel]

two games in a row I had a chaos spawn clip me into a wall.

and the game before that it grabbed me and fire happened.

Sometimes the director tells you to go to bed.

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

[lethal lagoon]

You can see the pain in their smile

People make peepo smile but no one ever asks if peepo is okay

[supple dock]

[hearty dagger]

Fellas, is it normal for my cat to absolutely rip ass?

[supple dock]

Yee, they're given protein rich diets so assfarts aren't not normal

[wind spruce]

Utter bullshit... am i crazy or did I push that dog?
https://outplayed.tv/media/6llG6m

[upper sun]

@wind spruce #darktide-pics-vids message

happened to me once

[wind spruce]

I swear they've been worse recently

[strong gulch]

I've been having similar issues.

[supple dock]

which one of you degenerates said this

[upper sun]

#psyker-class message

also very fun

[wind spruce]

and they thought I needed help SMH
https://outplayed.tv/media/WJJn2m

[wind spruce]

thats hilarious ngl

[supple dock]

yeah i laughed

dude's a fucking champion

omg there was more

[hearty dagger]

Man, i'm bored of ds4.

But everything that isn't ds4 feels like ass

[ebon moss]

DARK SOULS 4?

[strong gulch]

DS4 = dueling sword mk4

[hearty dagger]

bruh

[ebon moss]

nah it's totally Dark Souls 4

[strong gulch]

Maybe if you use a weapon that you know will be ass, it would meet your expectations? I recommend blazing spirit illisi.

[hearty dagger]

I would rather not ruin my eyes thank you

[strong gulch]

[hearty dagger]

I get flashbanged enough by blazing spirit users already

I don't want to do it to myself as well

[upper sun]

Its ok blazing spirit illisi doesnt do anything

[hearty dagger]

Also to purg staff users i would like to remind you not to spray and pass but to please finish the job.
It's hard to tell if it's a rager or a groaner when they're both pitch black and burning bright blue directly in my face.

[upper sun]

nuh uhhhh

[hearty dagger]

yuhh uhhh

[upper sun]

NUH UHHHHH

[hearty dagger]

YUH UHHHHHH

YOU DON'T EVEN GET ANYTHING FROM JUST M1ING A GROUP AND FUCKING OFF

[upper sun]

I WILL SET EVERYTHING ON FIRE AND YOU CANT STOP ME

[ebon moss]

this is a weird gang war.

[upper sun]

I WILL PRESPRAY A ROOM BEFORE GOING IN
I WILL SPRAY CORNERS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY I WILL DIE TO ALL SPECIALISTS WHENEVER I CAN

[strong gulch]

If you know the amount of time it takes to get the stacks needed to kill an enemy, it can be inefficient to keep spraying them.

[upper sun]

knowing?

my sibling in the emperor i just set stuff ablaze i dont use my brain

[hearty dagger]

The spray itself also does damage and does decent stagger too, and if the spray can't stagger then the puff can

[strong gulch]

of course hence can be

[eager token]

we're so back

oh psyker channel

whateva

[hearty dagger]

zealot moment

[strong gulch]

Love a player who tries to control everyone.

[lethal lagoon]

Hmm, I ran your build, I had to melee a lot and it felt like the columnu was out of place

I still don't know what ranged weapon to pair with BB other than flamer.

Or rather EP BB

I'm not the biggest purg fan

And if you use trauma then BB shield takes a backseat

[hearty dagger]

I would simply rather not have a teammate that does nothing but blind me and then go down like a chump

[lethal lagoon]

Then you are missing out on the core fun of darktide

[strong gulch]

ok

[strong gulch]

Yip. My EP BB build uses the flames. You could use trauma less, but if I have a trauma staff, I default to exploding toes everywhere.

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, there's just nothing to replace Midgatous

And truama's biggest problem is ranged mobs, which is also EP BBs biggest problem

To be clear, I mean biggest problem relatively. Trauma is so wonderful it has no real problem.

cough cough, plz buff it sucks.

[strong gulch]

Ye

[lethal lagoon]

Oh I just discovered the perfect buff to EP BB to get in line with the other blitzs

Make so the EP stack applies but doesn't go away if you attack a non-elite/special/boss.

[strong gulch]

doesn't go away for bosses

[lethal lagoon]

That would be a little much, but like, even with 2 shields, it might still be less boss DPS than other classes' builds.

[strong gulch]

It would be too much

[wind spruce]

this build with shield wall and BB? yeah i totally feel u with the columnus being out of place

i made it up last night and only played a couple of games, i kept forgetting i even had the gun

[strong gulch]

Colomnus, forget how to spell it, or bust. Sad

[wind spruce]

i just read through your comments properly

yeah theres like no ranged weapon that fits that doesnt take over the role of BB or the chainsword

[lethal lagoon]

I used Illy, but it's role is basically the same.

Yeah

[wind spruce]

yeah

[lethal lagoon]

Funny enough, it was a pretty decent melee build

[wind spruce]

I spose haha, it doesnt have anything boosting it

[lethal lagoon]

Nothing really boosts melee other than scrier's, it's more about EP BB shield paring well with a horde melee wep

I guess DD does too

Hmm, I should run a melee build again with the new changes.

[wind spruce]

I've been obsessed with DS/columnus/DD/scriers for a couple of weeks, not that it's anything new

It's so insane constantly having scriers up bc if psykinetics aura

[upper sun]

accidentally did a full game on blazing piety instead of marty went very well

oops wrong channel

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

you may not like it but this is what peak deimos looks like

[median elk]

damage is irrelevant if that's what you're asking

[latent hill]

So do I go for the highlighted one?

[median elk]

Yes

[urban sandal]

id use the currently equipped one

[latent hill]

That’s one one…

[urban sandal]

well the way I see it is you don’t always need penetration but you do always need damage

[wind spruce]

id use the equipped one too, but because you can get rid of elites for something better

[autumn smelt]

But looking at the actual damage difference on there, it's really not much at all

You're not gonna feel the difference

[upper sun]

pen scales funny

idk which has less dramatic scalling but im pretty sure its pen

someone invited me to a strike team without saying anything 😨

[latent hill]

Like what exactly?

[wind spruce]

carapace or maniacs are good picks

depends if ur running DD for particular one shot break points

[lethal lagoon]

[latent hill]

I’m dealing with a lot of scab elites

Which was why I chose this

[upper sun]

ikr i said hi they didnt respond so i just closed the game

[lethal lagoon]

crusher and mauler are carpace for their heads

[latent hill]

Still elites

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

by that logic just go elite weakpoint

unironically tho weakpoint is not horrible on ds4

it has such a massive gab between normal hit and weakpoint that its kinda real

[lethal lagoon]

Return to the shadows

[upper sun]

hey im just as autistic as the next person if the interaction doesnt go the same as my script i leave

[lethal lagoon]

How do feel about walking in to a place you've never been nor know the menu of, by yourself, and ordering with people behind you in line?

[upper sun]

oh idc

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

i got shipped off to another country to study if i didnt talk to randos id starve or get deported

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

the american mind can not comprehend the struggle of having to do paperwork in a language you do not speak 😭

[lethal lagoon]

Have you seen my english? I'm already there brother

[upper sun]

[lethal lagoon]

One the meanist nice things someone ever said to me was a compliment on how my writing improved.
And then they guessed what my "first" language was right after.

Like it's english

I swear to god it's english

[upper sun]

nicest complement about my handwriting i ever got was "you write very well for a guy"

which is kinda true tbh idk why women always have nice handwriting

do they have handwriting classes in the bathrooms is that why they take so long

[lethal lagoon]

I just never cared, if I slowed down a bit my handwriting is perfection itself

Lmao, I just remembered that I usually got my dad to sign stuff cause his handwriting was so bad it was super easy to copy. So once I got going, I could just fake it really easily.

My mom just straight up wrote like a machine. There was no copying that by human hands.

[upper sun]

i write a weird mix of french cursive and normal writing

because apparently only the french teacher cared enough to teach writing

[lethal lagoon]

Jokes on them, we in a new world now.

[marble crater]

Is French cursive different than regular cursive?

[upper sun]

idk what regular(english) cursive even is but im 90% sure the biggest difference is how small letter Rs connect

[autumn smelt]

The difference is one is French (derogatory)

[marble crater]

[lethal lagoon]

Imagine losing one war and having centuries of being badass crossed out.

TBF, they did build that stupid wall. Big walls literally never work.

[upper sun]

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/6e/02/6d/6e026dfc28d33d9b649b6144eb5ee73b.jpg

huh i was right

[marble crater]

[atomic walrus]

Does currency carry over from character to character?

[upper sun]

yeah

[marble crater]

Yes

[upper sun]

blessings too

[lethal lagoon]

Your will to live does not carry over though

[upper sun]

so tru so tru

[lethal lagoon]

So be careful with zealot

[upper sun]

cant even make curios for my second zealot

[marble crater]

We already lost one sibling to the fanatics

[upper sun]

i just played 2 games on purge

[autumn smelt]

I used to be a psyker main
But then I realized the game was more fun if you played like you were on lethal amounts of heroin

[rigid sky]

So EP smite then?

[upper sun]

look at the date on this

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

zealot and psyker are the only two classes in the game as far as im concerned

[rigid sky]

They're all good

There isn't a class I don't love

[bold cape]

i thought id enjoy zealot the most when i first started but the fun of weaving crushers and maulers and 2 shotting them with a saber, clearing out a room of like 20 of them is like
peak gameplay

[autumn smelt]

Veteran is just zealot without the fun talents
Ogryn is just zealot but w i d e

[upper sun]

try mantling a small ledge as ogryn then say that again

[upper sun]

with no dodges as well

[rigid sky]

Weapon spec veteran is fun as fuck

MF veteran too

Focus target is boring as fuck

Strong but boring

[bold cape]

plus my psyker is insane as hell and cackles like a madman whenever i pop my ability so bonus points there too

[upper sun]

luv me peegun peesword peeshout peetarget vet

[autumn smelt]

Mf vet is the most unfun thing I've ever played

[upper sun]

only way i could do weeklies/penances on that class

[rigid sky]

Let me guess, you stand still with it

[autumn smelt]

God I love peeing on people

[lethal lagoon]

Zealot will never get dueling sword

[wind spruce]

It's certainly not a bad pick. It really does depend on what keystone you're running though. If you're running DD you oneshot all gunners without a perk. You're already running flak so scab ragers are no problem. So it's what, maniac ragers, ogryns and maulers (I've been obsessing over ds4 perks for weeks so I have a lot of thoughts on this haha)

[upper sun]

evi hammer and crusher are the only weapons a real zealot needs

[autumn smelt]

Nope
You'd be hard pressed to get me to stand still

[upper sun]

tbh fuck ranged let me go evi15/hammer

[autumn smelt]

It's just the management of it

[latent hill]

I am.

[autumn smelt]

Erm, I think you're forgetting one

[tired estuary]

idk I like playing every class in this game, just maybe sometimes prefer one for a while over others

[wind spruce]

What's your ranged weapon?

[upper sun]

dont say it

DO NOT SAY IT

[latent hill]

Columnus…

[bold cape]

vet wasn’t so bad once i unlocked the plasma gun and shout ability
he’s pretty fun once in a while
honestly all the classes are good, rngesus has yet to bestow me good weapons for anyone other than psyker tho

[upper sun]

ITS NOT REAL

[autumn smelt]

[upper sun]

NO

STOP

[autumn smelt]

[upper sun]

NOOOOOOOOO

[latent hill]

This is a gun psyker build I have irosk

[rigid sky]

Tbh I hate CIAG outside of gunmax builds

[wind spruce]

Yeah I figured 🙂

Columnus/ds4 builds are my obsession atm

[rigid sky]

Feels really unexciting if you don't superjuice the finesse bonuses

[upper sun]

I use caig on zealot it still feels like a good weapon even without finesse bonuses

[rigid sky]

It's good

[latent hill]

Ciag?

[wind spruce]

I like carapace for potential oneshots on crushers and maulers, given their threat level

[rigid sky]

Just not world destroyingly good

Columnus Infantry AutoGun

[wind spruce]

Psyker only has access to columnus iag so yeah

[latent hill]

Oh. Right

Hhh… should just call it the CIA

[wind spruce]

I've been running unyielding/carapace recently

Taking out bulwarks and crushers/maulers is my #1 priority because of their threat level

Flak is good because it increases your TTK when using lights on flak

[upper sun]

@rigid sky this wouldnt happen on a columnus

[upper sun]

oh nooo not the bulwarks i really hope they dont stagger me 😭

[wind spruce]

But outside of lights, if you're running DD/scriers flak is excessive overkill for most targets

[wind spruce]

I fkn hate bulwarks even after the shield rework

[bold cape]

bulwarks make me think just a bit more than dodge and stab and i dont like that

[rigid sky]

What wouldn't happen

Can't figure out what the clip is showing me lol

[upper sun]

wacky ahh spread

[rigid sky]

Idk my zealot uses a zarona 99% of the time

[wind spruce]

Honestly, I was probably being a bit hyperbolic when I said you should swap elites for something betted

[rigid sky]

Unless I'm knife pervert, then I take the flamer

[wind spruce]

With your build it's actually a good pick

[upper sun]

noooo dont use flamer

[rigid sky]

It works surprisingly well for me really

I'm getting better with the throwing knives

[wind spruce]

It actually is horrible tho clad

I was testing it the other night

[rigid sky]

So I don't really need a long range gun

[wind spruce]

It doesn't even give the 10% advertised

Its such bs

[latent hill]

I prefer that tbh

[upper sun]

its 10% of the difference between normal hit and weakpoint hit

[rigid sky]

Plus it amuses me to take wildly inappropriate stealth weapons

[upper sun]

its not as bad on ds4 as it is on other weapons

[rigid sky]

My zealot somehow is lugging a flamethrower around all sneaky

[wind spruce]

Not always tho, it's fkn cooked. Like if body was 300 and head was 900, you'd expect 960 with the perk, right?!?!

[rigid sky]

My vet is revving a chainsword

[wind spruce]

And yet somehow it's usually closer to like 940

[upper sun]

huh

[rigid sky]

Maybe it's affected by armour reduction twice?

[wind spruce]

My thoughts exactly

[rigid sky]

Have you tested on unarmoured

[wind spruce]

Don't think so

[upper sun]

fatshark coding 😭

[rigid sky]

Or maybe it's skipping other damage bonuses that you have

[upper sun]

i tried it on carap it didnt feel too bad

[wind spruce]

😢

[upper sun]

what did you try it on?

[rigid sky]

Like it's a bonus off of the base damage only

[latent hill]

Being that I’m the crazy psyker I’m fine with overkill

[upper sun]

kusu-core revolver

[wind spruce]

idc, i dont think i saved the file i was using or recorded the session and i do not possess an actual memory

but i just tested it on carapace and it added exactly 10%

actually i remember i was testing it on flak light attacks

[upper sun]

yeah i only tried it on carap

[lethal lagoon]

It's additive

[wind spruce]

ok so if i was testing it with 25% flak against flak that would explain the discrepancy?

im too wasted rn to do my own maths

[lethal lagoon]

I meant additive with weakspot damage.

[wind spruce]

right

so if i was testing with DD

[lethal lagoon]

Or at least that's what I remembered

[wind spruce]

that would also throw off the calcs

which iw as

[latent hill]

Too wasted to do maths… really a typical ork thing I say

[lethal lagoon]

I can't imagine their state of inebriation would have a negative effect on their mathematical prowess, in fact, I'd imagine it's more likely to have the opposite effect.

[upper sun]

its true i could do math drunk

now cant even do it sober 😭

[rigid sky]

Orks do science

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kOrkScience/s/9TDliwJsEs

This is a classic

[upper sun]

i am not reading ork rp

[lethal lagoon]

(that's so Clad-core)

[wind spruce]

Unfortunately, I am not a warhammer orc, and my self confidences undermines me rather than makes RED T'ING GO FASTAH!!

[wind spruce]

seriously, though, the fact that it's additive makes it sooo much worse. Do you want a perk that addes less than 1/3 of the damage that DD does JUST FROM THE WEAKSPOT PART OF THE KEYSTONE, or 25% against a set of targets, multiplicative ie no questions asked 125% damage increase?

[lethal lagoon]

10% damage to every weakspot would be pretty wild though

That said, it would reward higher skill gameplay

[upper sun]

how do zealots cope with the fact that only stinky freaks ever got to see holy terra?

[lethal lagoon]

The crit one is the one that doesn't really make sense

Most crits already deal signifcantly less damage in this game than other games, crit damage being useless on top of that

[upper sun]

we already do a lot of damage in general

[lethal lagoon]

"we" is a strong word

[upper sun]

ayo

AYO

[lethal lagoon]

[rigid sky]

So, I'm not much of a smite expert

Just wanna ask

Are the modifiers for smite ever worth it?

I have been taking them out of a vague feeling that I should

[supple dock]

+1 jumps is good if you're gonna "main' smite

otherwise it's just a good skill on its own

[rigid sky]

So it's for my Surge EP build

[supple dock]

without augments

[rigid sky]

So the smite part ends up being a significant damage source

[supple dock]

then yes

take jumps

[rigid sky]

Surge EP Shriek Illisi

[supple dock]

take 10% damage if in pubs

but the 10% damage is w/e

luxury pick

[rigid sky]

I guess it mostly impacts bosses which I don't really wanna be smiting anyway

[supple dock]

It'll help you kill a rager pack of course

[upper sun]

if you're gonna go ep might as well take the upgrades

[lethal lagoon]

EP smite has a lot of "free" points, so you should always take the two buffs.

Otherwise, you wanna skip them

[rigid sky]

True, EP enables all the luxury stuff

Although I end up taking Solidity on this too

[lethal lagoon]

That's half the reason I like it. It's comfy

[rigid sky]

Because you want to yoyo 0-100-0 very fast

I normally skip the whole left bottom, but imo this build needs accelerated quell

[lethal lagoon]

This is typically what I use for EP smite.

I also switch to surge to quell

EP definitely needs a fast quell

[upper sun]

going near warp siphon when you're not forced to

[lethal lagoon]

Warp expen is actually nice cause it's nice to have a little toughness gen when you are smiting and some ranged mob far away your team will never kill is pew pewing you.

I really need to update my scoreboard to count ranged mobs kileld. I'm convinced I kill like 80% of them or more.

Any build that can't handle ranged mobs(easily) feels dookie to me because of that.

[rigid sky]

Swiss cheese damage avoidance model is stronk

I think I run this but wildfire shifted to mettle

And I might be taking elite damage aura

For the penance

[upper sun]

quiet soulstealer and warp exp are enough imo

[lethal lagoon]

Mettle is kinda useless

How much are you criting and how often with surge?

[upper sun]

🤔

ur joking rite

[rigid sky]

Well Surge has a huge crit chance

[lethal lagoon]

5% toughness every like 3 seconds in combat is weak

Assuming you are spamming surge

You might not be.

To be clear, this is an EP smite discussion.

[wind spruce]

kekw

[lethal lagoon]

And nothing I say about mettle applies elsewhere.

[wind spruce]

why do i always have almost as many ranged elite kills as the rest of the pub combined

[rigid sky]

Movespeed too tbf

But you have a point

[lethal lagoon]

Surge on this build for me is for crushers, bosses, and sometimes shield and og gunners.

And then for getting EP stacks

Or small enough mob/elite gatherings I don't need the big guns

[rigid sky]

Oh actually

[upper sun]

i tried ep smite

[wind spruce]

bruh no way

[rigid sky]

My Illisi has Bloodthirsty on it

[upper sun]

it was legit too brainrotty to be playable

[rigid sky]

So I get more mettle value too

[lethal lagoon]

ON EP SMITE

[wind spruce]

idgaf

[lethal lagoon]

Listen to the words coming out my mouth you orc.

[upper sun]

warp esp IS NICE

[lethal lagoon]

(on ep smite)

[wind spruce]

ooooh i regnerated like 40 toughness while doing a whole smite

60 if i pressed F

[lethal lagoon]

I don't want one or two mobs to intruppt my smiting

[wind spruce]

AMAZE(not)

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1246606143594172446/document.jpg?ex=665cfff1&is=665bae71&hm=83988ea4b7e361e489ab44c94cbfe141e9b6835db9f01ead6ec9536bdc2c3fcd&

[rigid sky]

Any toughness gain at all saves a lot of damage when the bruiser comes a-knockin

[upper sun]

BASKET ENJOYERS REJOICE

[marble crater]

No

[lethal lagoon]

That's a fake basket

[marble crater]

You are a fake basket

[lethal lagoon]

I mean I do eventually leak after a few hours

So sure

[upper sun]

I am not taking bm with vent

you can not make me

[lethal lagoon]

BM synergizes with creeping flames

[upper sun]

nuh UHHHHH

[lethal lagoon]

[rigid sky]

I take BM for it for the smite part more than anything tbh

[wind spruce]

Guys, i uploaded my first public youtube video that isnt some random mate of mine rapping (trying to). I didn't edit anything, it has some annoying voice overs, I forgot to turn on recording of my own voice, it's not even a particularly impressive run (altho it is VEG), i didn't add a thumbnail, I couldnt work out how to remove my actual full name, and it has so many other issues, BUT STILL - I DID AN UPLOAD. PROGRESS TOWARDS SOMETHING I'VE WANTED TO DO FOR AGES. (send me love and play it on mute in the background so it doesnt have zero views PLS)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2HdiuDukvA&ab_channel=RichardWallace