doesn't look like it no
#psyker-class
near bobcat
upper sun
some very nice russian gave me like 40million in payday2
lyric burrow
ally kills do not count no
potent echo
Saw these sometimes
upper sun
WHY DONT PEOPLE GIVE ME PLASTEEL HERE
lyric burrow
you have to kill the target
upper sun
WAAAAAAAAAA
near bobcat
you have to kill the target
which is really frustrating with an aggressive ogryn who eats all your shots
lyric burrow
its quite good though
potent echo
Plasteel hack 
half turtle
WHY DONT PEOPLE GIVE ME PLASTEEL HERE
tbh i would give people plasteel if you could
near bobcat
(no offense ogryns)
spice veldt
since staggering/damaging the marked target is enoughh to reset the DD timer
grab any amount of AoE that psyker has and you're good to go
upper sun
tbh i would give people plasteel if you could
ye i have some ok weapons that i can give out too
potent echo
I think it even gives 1 stack now, might be wrong
lyric burrow
assail alone generally is enough
spice veldt
nah it just refreshes the timer of your current stacks
lyric burrow
honestly
near bobcat
yeah, i wish i could like disrupt more but if im running brainburst with it i'll probs use empowered psionics all the time as well
potent echo
Assails slides in-between the ogryns cheeks
lyric burrow
but also most melee weapons kill DD targets quite well
lyric burrow
i will not run void
half turtle
i actually do kinda want to now
near bobcat
Assails slides in-between the ogryns cheeks
did you really have to word it like that 
spice veldt
DD also won't particularly benefit BB since it's not going to benefit from +weakspot damage
potent echo
Yes
upper sun
if you have a good voidstrike you dont even need a blitz
upper sun
balanced strike
cosmic sigil
Recon in 3rd person
aka painting with lasers
upper sun
idk
half turtle
DD also won't particularly benefit BB since it's not going to benefit from +weak...
wait does brain burst not benefit from +weakspot damage?
lyric burrow
nah
upper sun
no way they're gonna talk about nerfs during skulls
spice veldt
nah, cuz it has a weakspot multiplier of 1x lamayo
lyric burrow
BB is a static thing iirc
potent echo
They better have some big update during skulls
lyric burrow
minus like EP
lethal lagoon
BB does give 2 stacks of true aim though
near bobcat
I have an (okay) voidstrike, i don't really like the thing though.
lethal lagoon
half turtle
BB does give 2 stacks of true aim though
is this because the stagger counts as a hit or something stupid like that
upper sun
I have an (okay) voidstrike, i don't really like the thing though.
I kneel...
the peak void
spice veldt
is this because the stagger counts as a hit or something stupid like that
ye, so you can also spam the RMB to generate stacks
BB true aim meta
half turtle
dang
spice veldt
not allowed to use your staff unless you have 5 true aim stacks
lyric burrow
BB true aim meta
do not bait people into using this
half turtle
not allowed to use your staff unless you have 5 true aim stacks
psibolt only true aim challenge??
spice veldt
do not bait people into using this
bait????
near bobcat
unrelated, but another thing i really wish psyker had was better survivability methods. feels like it's all nothing but abusing warp for damage reduction
half turtle
actually i had fun with just spamming lmb on the trauma staff i rolled with surge LOL
surge/nexus full lmb build
lyric burrow
ok honestly for a second i forgot you can take true aim and not DD
spice veldt
survivability is fine
but i have a sneaking suspicion that people don't take many toughness nodes on psyker
lyric burrow
idk how psyker has so many left over points
half turtle
what's "toughness", is that related to the cracking sound that plays any time an enemy looks at me
upper sun
unrelated, but another thing i really wish psyker had was better survivability m...
death is the only ...shit LINES?
lethal lagoon
half turtle
although i really do wish that grim damage scaled with % hp because it feels like people love picking up grims and that literally eats my whole first wound in 30 seconds
supple dock
GUYS
spice veldt
i shrimply accept my death
half turtle
<a:kwek_smoke:1081592739105345667>
you have literally twice the toughness i have lol
supple dock
With three 20% sniper resistance
i take 62 damage from a sniper at 90 toughness
I can take THREE sniper shots
upper sun
although i really do wish that grim damage scaled with % hp because it feels lik...
just vote kick people who pick up grims
spice veldt
i never run with less than 200 toughness unless i'm going for a greedy build that paths through venting shriek
lethal lagoon
Did we talk about that already?
supple dock
we kinda did?
lethal lagoon
I feel like we did
upper sun
I can take THREE sniper shots
have u thought about tanking zero sniper shots?
supple dock
have u thought about tanking zero sniper shots?
fuck you
upper sun
well??!?!??!?!
lethal lagoon
Also your toughness doesn't matter for snipers unless it blocks the whole shot
HP damage is always the same
supple dock
oh ok
half turtle
oh ok
spice veldt
sigh
if only malefic was to the left of assail instead of mind in motion
lyric burrow
ok but arco
spice veldt
then i could grab malefic and one with the warp
half turtle
lol mind in motion
spice veldt
guh
upper sun
mind in motion doesnt do anything
half turtle
yes it's very valuable because there isn't any other way in the game to move and quell
spice veldt
so true
lyric burrow
surely not
upper sun
IF it let you sprint and quell
spice veldt
i can not believe they gave mettle speed movement speed but not mind in motion
upper sun
that would be another story
half turtle
that's too much speed tbh
lethal lagoon
Change mind in motion to something super cool and important so people are even less likely to take BB
potent echo
Mind in motion should be "grants attack speed for 5 seconds based on duration on quell"
Anytime now fatshark
upper sun
unlucky for some
mind in motion
the coho radius in warp siphon ALL NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE GAME
just remove the node
lyric burrow
pysker does need attack speed
lethal lagoon
Unlucky for some could be so fucking funny if it was actually useful
And had some like extra bonuses
lyric burrow
i have never taken that node
lethal lagoon
Imagine someone dying and you just get full healed
lyric burrow
give back cerebral lacerations btw
lethal lagoon
half turtle
i think i've literally never taken any of the nodes on any character that proc on ally down
upper sun
Imagine someone dying and you just get full healed
Fully healed+50% extra damage
WAIT NO
make it the clutch talent
for every ally downed you get 5% extra damage or some shit
lethal lagoon
Extra barrels modifer
upper sun
so now as a psyker you have to start killing your team as well
lethal lagoon
spice veldt
i made a spelling error joke towards arco and he went silent
live in fear
lyric burrow
you do not scare me
potent echo
He's gonna change his name to your postal code next
half turtle
for every ally downed you get 5% extra damage or some shit
i think VT2 handmaiden used to have 50% damage reduction if you were alone or something and it was really awkward
half turtle
snipers do 63 damage?
spice veldt
122.5 base
upper sun
snipers
spice veldt
kusu is talking about w/ 3x +20% sniper res
lethal lagoon
but yeah we did talk about snipers but someone said 90 something damage
90 was the cut off to take 3 hits with 1 hp curio I believe.
half turtle
oh i see
lyric burrow
i assume sniper res is multi like gunner and isnt 60% total
half turtle
"just dont take damage"
spice veldt
ye
lyric burrow
and is closer to like 50
spice veldt
48.8% with 3x +20% res
potent echo
Just play better? Uwu
spice veldt
just that shrimple
half turtle
ok random dumb q, flamer res works on fire that's already on the ground right?
spice veldt
i have no idea
potent echo
Uh
spice veldt
and i don't even want to guess
potent echo
I would say no
lyric burrow
i think it does
spice veldt
because i recently found out that bomber res doesn't affect the dreg bomber pox gas
lyric burrow
i wanna say i saw that get tested
potent echo
Did you know flamer res used to only work against flamer kicks
lyric burrow
when they made it not just hte kick
potent echo
Fun factshark of the day
upper sun
because i recently found out that bomber res doesn't affect the dreg bomber pox ...
yeah why would it?
tox bomber was made after
spice veldt
guh
half turtle
Did you know flamer res used to only work against flamer kicks
well it's flamer res, not flamer fire res
upper sun
it obv wouldnt
half turtle
just take corruption res ez
terse saffron
does corruption res affect pox bomber clouds?
half turtle
acutally idk but i've strongly considered taking corruption res just so 2 poxbursters down me instead of full to dead me
potent echo
If they ever did update pox bombers into bomber res you know for sure it's gonna affect twins mines too
serene mirage
Did you know flamer res used to only work against flamer kicks
Does the same work for machinegunners and snipers?
lyric burrow
instant poxbuster death is cringe but it doesnt happen enough for me to tke it
terse saffron
i think it effects the tick rates of health damage not toughness loss
sounds good enough
half turtle
instant poxbuster death is cringe but it doesnt happen enough for me to tke it
yeah that's my thought process too
sometimes i'm very tempted tho
potent echo
Does the same work for machinegunners and snipers?
Nah those worked properly
I think
potent echo
Fatshark
cosmic sigil
before p13 i was running my zealot with 340 ish hp, full corruption resistance... i was eating bursters
serene mirage
instant poxbuster death is cringe but it doesnt happen enough for me to tke it
Sometimes mutant throws you right into the poxbuster. Usually that isn't fun.
half turtle
"just dodge the mutant, ez"
lyric burrow
yeah this game likes to meme you sometimes
half turtle
once i got tossed into like a 5x20' dead end room with 2 mutants and just got ping ponged back and forth between the two ends of the room for 30 straight seconds
serene mirage
yeah this game likes to meme you sometimes
That even is sorta funny random outcome. Sometimes he also throws you away from buster.
potent echo
It's karma
half turtle
didn't they used to just yeet you straight off cliffs back in the day
or like, into the ceiling out of bounds
spice veldt
i'm not sure if they've fixed that yet
near wyvern
skill issue https://streamable.com/xt8iic
Skill issue
spice veldt
guh
half turtle
i definitely have been tossed into a spawn closet as recently as this year
serene mirage
BTW, has tried "quick brain explosion" build and has found it quite neat.
half turtle
BTW, has tried "quick brain explosion" build and has found it quite neat.
with EP or with just the brain burst node that makes it faster on F
cosmic sigil
ep br is good
serene mirage
with EP or with just the brain burst node that makes it faster on F
Both and shield instead of dome.
potent echo
Both is pretty decent
half turtle
yeah i like it
serene mirage
And two charges of "press F to win"...
half turtle
although i find that it's often "fast enough" with just the faster rupture on F node, and i'd rather take warp charges for more shields or shouts
well ok i also kinda get Mad at EP a lot because i suck at locking the right head
i've definitely locked 3 basic shooters instead of the gunner i was aiming for more than once
serene mirage
although i find that it's often "fast enough" with just the faster rupture on F ...
I played with Warp charges prior to that. Wasn't bad, but it lacked "the kick".
half turtle
yeah i think brain burst is really satisfying
in a way that cookin' em with fire shout isn't
serene mirage
i've definitely locked 3 basic shooters instead of the gunner i was aiming for m...
I jump to aim at what I want to aim. Probably looks fun from outside perspective.
serene mirage
I don't say, I still hit the intended target 10 out of 10.
half turtle
i really need to l2assail better though, i'm not sure how people manage it on 5+
even though everyone tells me it's the easiest one to use
i tried surge/assail and it just feels like i'm drowning all the time
serene mirage
yeah i think brain burst is _really_ satisfying
Assail is fun as well, but less so than quick brain bursts sequence. And already have purgatus staff, so if I take assail, all I can do is to stab crushers/maulers with duel mk4.
half turtle
Assail is fun as well, but less so than quick brain bursts sequence. And already...
hey if you have uncanny strike then stabbing em makes the fire stacks eat em up real fast
so it's not the worst
well i'm actually just about to try bb+purg so we'll see how it goes
near bobcat
Run bubble with it, that's what I see most people do
half turtle
hmm is bubble still just > flatwall
serene mirage
hmm is bubble still just > flatwall
It is reliable. Easy to use for "panic revive".
But, flat shield stops specials.
And that's where purgatus arrives.
half turtle
i think there was a bug where bubble stopped mutants or something too right
idk if they fixed that
lethal lagoon
hmm is bubble still just > flatwall
vagrant onyx
Now this is gaming
near wyvern
hmm is bubble still just > flatwall
Depends. If you are bad at positioning or want to melee stomp a beast of nurgle then yes, otherwise stun shield is better. It doesn't get instantly eaten up by hunting grounds and mutant trains anymore.
half turtle
oh did they change the way it gets depleted by stopping specials
near wyvern
No, they reduced the damage mutant wave mutants and hunting ground dogs do to the shield at some point
It's still 3 regular specials
near wyvern
And you have 10% chance of stunning anything else, including elites, without HP cost to shield
So having it on a choke is very good
half turtle
yeah that makes sense
near bobcat
Run bubble with it, that's what I see most people do
Dammit phone don't repeat stuff
half turtle
fuckin technology man
jovial juniper
i think there was a bug where bubble stopped mutants or something too right
I mean, if you dodge the mutie it will smack against the bubble as if it was a wall
Probably not what you were thinking but it's close
serene mirage
Now, wait a second... Effect on brain rupture got doubled with 2 shields?
near bobcat
okay as much as i wanna love it, im giving up on scriers
feels like i could just do stuff like this on veteran if i wanted to play a gun class
serene mirage
+ 2 shields
Yes. So I usually put one shield, use that time to explode some brains, put second shield, then continue.
lethal lagoon
Yes. So I usually put one shield, use that time to explode some brains, put seco...
Depends on scenario 
As you can see in the clip, if there's enough elites, you'll recover a shield anyways.
So it's a great panic mode button
paper lily
it plays better with cdr aura too, since you can stack 2 of them
which is the only argument i'll ever make in favor of chastise 2x charges for zealot as well, if you can somehow manage to overcleave to the2nd charge regen
hearty dagger
Fellas, skulls happens in 3 days
What y'all hoping gets announced (except the crafting update that's already been announced technically)
spice veldt
i'm being oppr*ssed by the server
hearty dagger
2h force sword 2h force sword
Hell yeah honestly
Ngl i want a 2h force sword
But i would also be very much down for a force baton or something
Let me enjoy my Enforcer fantasy
spice veldt
yeah i'll take any force weapon
hearty dagger
Fuck it, psychic trolling for drug dealing
calm sapphire
Better grims n script rewards
Curio offers plasteel perk 
hearty dagger
Zealot got a cool new evis, Vet and Ogryn got technically new weapon types
serene mirage
Ngl i *want* a 2h force sword
I want 2h ogryn weapons. Just imagine the reach of it...
spice veldt
friendly fire is turned on for teammates who are under the effect of a stimm
hearty dagger
So if they don't drop for something for Psyker this time i will kill
spice veldt
So if they don't drop for something for Psyker this time i will kill
so true
hearty dagger
Force Spear gaming
serene mirage
Yeah!
hearty dagger
Imagine if we got a staff that was less damage oriented and more support oriented
serene mirage
Spear is a weapon of victory.
calm sapphire
Force Spear gaming
Bolter lance
hearty dagger
I.E, give an ally knockoff Scrier's or something
serene mirage
Imagine if we got a staff that was less damage oriented and more support oriente...
Purgatus
jovial juniper
But i would also be very much down for a force baton or something
Hear me out, release some weapons, let it cook for a while and then balance patch with the itemization update
serene mirage
Hear me out, release some weapons, let it cook for a while and then balance patc...
Noooo
hearty dagger
Considering all the Sefoni teases and the crafting update being a thing, we might also get an admech class as well
serene mirage
Just release crafting rework already.
calm sapphire
Imagine if we got a staff that was less damage oriented and more support oriente...
A healing staff 
spice veldt
i personally dislike having a support main weapon cuz it's going to be something where balancing its uptime is going to be hard
and if its effect is too weak in compensation, then it's whatevs
i guess an aura rework and whatnot for stuff that benefits teammates in general
calm sapphire
i personally dislike having a support main weapon cuz it's going to be something...
What about a staff that gives u a teleport ability 😋
spice veldt
and other balance changes since i think the crafting rework is going to be the best way to package other changes to avoid pissing off the community
hearty dagger
Honestly Psyker could do with a vet style another skill tree rework
Since we have the most linear progression with some very good shit being locked behind specific blitzes/auras
And some nodes are just pure nothing burgers
serene mirage
i personally dislike having a support main weapon cuz it's going to be something...
Support is bad idea for horde shooter. Especially the one where you can have a team of 3 morons capable to die to common walkers.
spice veldt
psyker's skill tree gimmick is initially neat but yeah we fall behind in permutations compared to the other classes
rigid sky
It's OK to have some of your kit with supportive elements
serene mirage
So the difference would be that they would die under some buffs.
hearty dagger
For example, toughness damage reduction based on Peril
rigid sky
You just don't wanna go all-in with it
hearty dagger
I get the whole high peril playstyle but it's still so ass
spice veldt
at least psyker does technically have the ability to take a main weapon in the form of their blitz
rigid sky
And you should make sure it enables yourself too
spice veldt
I get the whole high peril playstyle but it's still so ass
it's p good since 10-33% isn't anything to scoff at and it's not too conditional
rigid sky
Like don't take shield and then play super passive with it
spice veldt
on average it's like 20% which is good nuff for a node
rigid sky
If you take shields, you have to play like your balls are the size of planets
hearty dagger
True but the problem is when you have peril, you usually don't stay at high peril for too long
Considering that you get so much for quelling and TDR for keeping peril
rigid sky
True but the problem is when you have peril, you usually don't stay at high peri...
Beg to differ
spice veldt
yeah in that sense it's kind of boring and turns into an "average value" talent
hearty dagger
Yeah
rigid sky
Warp rider and warp nexus incentivise peril edging
spice veldt
playing around with peril mechanics a bit more
hearty dagger
Honestly one thing that could be done is add some extra to EP maybe, to make it less of a blitz or nothing keystone
spice veldt
gain "x% TDR for x seconds after quelling" or whatever
serene mirage
hrmmmmm
That's just like mine, but I have blessing for shooting on sprint. Useless one...
spice veldt
rather than a simple linear scaling with your current peril%
just more things that directly interact with peril
lethal lagoon
Quietitude also incentivises peril edging, you effectively have 40% extra toughness.
hearty dagger
Ditch TDR node and maybe Warp Rider my beloved, make it a part of EP, call it something like "Volatile Psionics" where if you have low peril you get TDR and at higher peril lose TDR and gain more damage instead
spice veldt
i think they should stay as normal nodes just so that any build can theoretically take them
since peril is the entire gimmick of psyker itself
hearty dagger
Maybe make it even funnier by making it so that your peril explosion now does friendly fire and does way more damage
spice veldt
all paths lead to friendly fire
hearty dagger
since peril is the entire gimmick of psyker itself
Yeah but it's not played around with nearly enough to make a peril build really interesting
rigid sky
Maybe make it even funnier by making it so that your peril explosion now does fr...
So randoms will dodge the moment they see they are playing with a psyker
Even if the psyker doesn't suck
spice veldt
Yeah but it's not played around with nearly enough to make a peril build really ...
though they're just single talents and we can't expect any single one to be amazing
it's just that they're basically the only two talents that exist
hearty dagger
So randoms will dodge the moment they see they are playing with a psyker
It's called cowardice and it helps weed out the people who will run 25 km backwards during anything and lead to a team wipe
spice veldt
we're generally just starving for any talents that interact directly with peril
hearty dagger
Yeah
Tbf a lot of Psyker's things make Psyker feel like an afterthought in development
Hell, Psyker wasn't even in the original teaser trailers
There were 2 vets instead, a more infantry/commando looking one and a more officer looking one
spice veldt
and beta psyker's peril management being quite a bit different from post-release psyker
lethal lagoon
I would have never bought this game without psyker, I just wanted left 4 dead with magic.
spice veldt
the oven was only at 200 fahrenheit when the game released 😔
hearty dagger
Remember when you could slam the shriek and lose all of your peril?
spice veldt
i went into this game for vet
hearty dagger
I came for Vet, stayed for Psyker
hearty dagger
Eh, Post Launch Psyker was mostly the same as preorder beta psyker
BB sucked since it was basically too much effort for far less payoff than anything else
lethal lagoon
I played like 5 t5s with post-launch vet, thought "that's stupidly OP" and never played it again till patch 13.
hearty dagger
Surge Staff was basically just Smite
It's even funnier how Vet was broken purely because of the PSword and Bolter
lethal lagoon
You just deleted the highlighted targets and trivlized the content back then when shooters were scary.
spice veldt
i'm thinking of closed beta psyker where quelling was far slower and whatnot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHH-FMyRJTI
since they certainly designed the game to be slower before
hearty dagger
Played closed beta psyker too
spice veldt
ah
hearty dagger
Never really noticed the difference though
hearty dagger
Then again, Psyker did have the problem of the Obscurus being dogshit and Force Staves being so far into progression that you probably didn't get them unless you no-lifed the beta
Which was hard since the servers kept eating shit
hearty dagger
fatshark will finally finish cooking for psyker
Tbf Psyker is cooked, just needs seasoning
hearty dagger
I wonder if that innate deflector
No innate deflector sadly
lethal lagoon
Also that block push is so much fucking better.
lethal lagoon
No innate deflector sadly
I'm guessing Illy and Deimos released with innate deflector because they copy and pasted the code from Obscurus that was commented out or some shit.
spice veldt
just that you have things like the current iteration of smite, 10-charge assail, whatever god awfully designed thing the EP keystone is
lethal lagoon
But maybe my guess was wrong
spice veldt
4 staffs w/ no variants
lethal lagoon
hearty dagger
I'm guessing Illy and Deimos released with innate deflector because they copy an...
...No?
I don't remember either of those releasing with innate Deflector
lethal lagoon
Oh, so you are wrong
spice veldt
they used an old lua template for the illisi and deimos force swords
lethal lagoon
They absolutely had innate deflector
hearty dagger
Never heard of them having innate deflector before
spice veldt
they did have innate deflector right after they dropped
hearty dagger
Oh, so you are wrong
Also no, Oldscurus did not have Deflector, i had a conversation with a friend on that exact topic so i still remember
lethal lagoon
Also no, Oldscurus did not have Deflector, i had a conversation with a friend on...
During the beta?
Closed beta I mean
hearty dagger
"Man, it really looks like this should block ranged attacks"
"You can get a blessing that makes it do that"
"Real shit?"
Yeah
lethal lagoon
spice veldt
e.g., if you search up "innate deflector" in the discod, you'll see people remarking about it beginning around march of last year
when the illisi and deimos dropped
hearty dagger
You can even see the psyker eating shit when trying to block the scab gunner with the sword in that vid
Probably had the same thought of "Oh, this looks like it can block ranged attacks" that i did
Before i also promptly ate shit
lethal lagoon
Oh, I stopped at a bad time, I thought he was blocking it.
lethal lagoon
That force push looked so much better though
hearty dagger
Need to look again honestly
Didn't pay much attention to it
BUT
I would do terrible things if it meant i could have the old Peril display back
Honestly it was better
spice veldt
so true
hearty dagger
It's actually kinda centered on the screen but not enough that it blocks your view
So you can see how close you are to exploding without having to look down
Psyker really did cook backwards with Psyker
Hell, WE HAD SHOTGUNS.
I WANT MY SHOTGUN BACK FATSHARK
lethal lagoon
It looks like something that might be on like a pair of advanced contacts or something, like an interface.
spice veldt
heavyswords in the trailer
lethal lagoon
It's not as immerision breaking.
hearty dagger
Yeah
God, Peril is really an undercooked mechanic
Imagine if you would, that Volatile Psionics keystone addition to EP that i mentioned
spice veldt
the oven just needs to be preheated
hearty dagger
Imagine if at high peril you slowed enemies around you because of psychic frost happening around you
Or enemies in X range had their guns jam because of the sudden formation of ice
For how much it's mentioned, we definitely don't see enough psychic rime
Why do only daemonhosts have the fairly common psychic phenomena happening around them?
rotund fable
I'm pretty sure the 'lore' reason that doesnt happen is because the psyker reject we play as isnt a high enough tier psyker to pull off those feats... like, i vaguely remember someone saying that the darktide psyker player character is only an Iota class psyker
though take that bit with a grain of salt
hearty dagger
Though like i said, it's pretty common psychic phenomena
Even some psyker cosmetics reference the fucking thing
Like one of the rebreathers mentioning the steel is always ice cold to the touch for no discernible reason
rotund fable
again, I belive it comes down to the tier of psyker.
I am about 60% certain that the psyker we play as is only an iota class
lethal lagoon
We are just janitors, killing 10 plague Ogryns, 2DHs and thousands of heretics to unclog a toliet.
hearty dagger
Tbf that was believable until we got our hands on our new toys
That and it's not really a psyker power thing
Hell, overperiling and exploding is still a higher degree of psychic phenomena than fucking psychic rime
It's not even a power per se, it's a side effect of using warp powers
Speaking of, man the overperil mechanic is also wasted potential
Sure, making it more complicated would probably take too much time and effort but it would be pretty fucking cool
potent echo
If it's too cool you MIGHT want to do it more
hearty dagger
Yeah, though that would also add engagement with the peril mechanic
lethal lagoon
I will run 6 wound psyker before this game eventually dies and no one can stop me
Except literally any elite with full health
But no one else!
half turtle
don't most builds edge peril all the time anyways
rotund fable
I WANT MY SHOTGUN BACK FATSHARK
My friend said that they did the math on the slug-shotgun, apparently, if you have a good roll with the agrip, 15 stacks of disrupt destiny, and high peril with the warp rider talent... then a psyker can 1-shot a nurgle-blessed crusher with a slug to the head.
half turtle
or do we mean like, make it so high peril is not always good
lethal lagoon
Why not more damage 
potent echo
or do we mean like, make it so high peril is not always good
Let me edge
hearty dagger
Hell, you could have Neutral Overperil and Benign Overperil
I.E
N.O:
Psyker explodes and goes down
Weapons within X range of the psyker get jammed, no idea how to apply this to allies if at all
Everyone near the psyker gets supressed
B.O:
Some environmental stuff. I.E, something cool happens near the pskyer, say, the floor nearby gets covered in psychic rime
hearty dagger
or do we mean like, make it so high peril is not always good
Not make it so high peril is not always good, make it so that peril is a more interesting mechanic than funny death bar that gives you bonus if it go up
spice veldt
i always like tradeoffs so i want players to be punished for casting near 100%
e.g., we can currently cast a trauma staff at 99% at no penalty
hearty dagger
Imagine if you had a chance at miscasting at high peril
spice veldt
the extra peril from the cast just goes into the void and we only go up to 100%
half turtle
oh no but i do that all the time
hearty dagger
Suddenly, that surge voidstrike just blows up in your face
half turtle
so i hope they don't change it
spice veldt
whereas there should be >100% peril and we have to quell that peril
half turtle
then ill have to learn new mechanics
spice veldt
so true
hearty dagger
bruh
hearty dagger
whereas there should be >100% peril and we have to quell that peril
Tbf it would be cool if you could overcharge peril
Like maybe make it a fucking keystone
Peril can go up to say 200%, but if you cast at 199%, you will fucking explode
potent echo
Isn't that just kicking the bucket down the road lol
half turtle
hm i didn't hate the vt2 system where if you edged into the top quarter of the heat bar it would slow your movement a lot
potent echo
Unless you play unchained
hearty dagger
Yeah
spice veldt
oh interesting
potent echo
Then you become a god
hearty dagger
To be fair Unchained was pretty cool
potent echo
Psykers are just base kit unchained
hearty dagger
You can kinda see where Fatshark tried to add in unchained into Psyker but
potent echo
It was fun though
hearty dagger
It definitely doesn't feel like Unchained
potent echo
Not enough attack speed
hearty dagger
Tbf it would be kinda fair to give KD the old Unchained thing
potent echo
Getting hit doesn't build peril
half turtle
it's kinda kinetic deflection i guess
hearty dagger
Where if you took damage, you took 50% HP and 50% Peril
potent echo
VT2 kinetic deflection REDUCED heat on block
half turtle
Where if you took damage, you took 50% HP and 50% Peril
i did appreciate that sometimes you would take like, 1 bullet from a gunner while at 100% heat and then explode
10/10
spice veldt
damn this is where darktide's lack of a flesh out blocking system bites us in the bum
argh
hearty dagger
Not really a lack of fleshed out blocking system
potent echo
Every game should have parries
hearty dagger
It's where Psyker being an afterthought and having way less dev time than the other classes bites us
spice veldt
we don't have anything that plays around with parrying/perfect blocking besides dclaw
and stamina is just so unimportant in this game except for the cspawn
half turtle
i feel like even if they just brought back the timed block = half stamina mechanic it wouldn't be awful
potent echo
And DH
spice veldt
pushes and blocking cost so much stamina
half turtle
pushes and blocking cost so much stamina
i think the main thing that changed between vt2 and dt is that in dt, dodging pauses stamina regen and in vt2 it doesn't
spice veldt
dare to push with a caxe/chainsword/other 2-bar cost weapons
half turtle
so stamina is a lot harder to come by in dt than vt2
spice veldt
at the same time, the stamina cost of actions seems to be noticeably higher in DT
potent echo
But also psyker has insane stam regen so you can actually spam push anyway
hearty dagger
Also iirc killing stuff increased stamina regen in VT2
potent echo
Also iirc killing stuff increased stamina regen in VT2
Don't think so...?
hearty dagger
So the push-push attack combos were more viable
half turtle
Also iirc killing stuff increased stamina regen in VT2
i think it was that way at launch but they actually got rid of that
spice veldt
just that currently, you can run into a fight with zero stamina and not worry about it at all even if you were primarily meleeing
hearty dagger
Huh
potent echo
Does it?
half turtle
they had like, a melee system rework a year or two in
hearty dagger
Makes sense then, i heard it from a friend who has what, 3k hours in the game
Probably boomer memory moment
Also dude was a kerillian main.
Half the time me and my friends died while trying to keep up with him
half turtle
Also dude was a kerillian main.
just play handmaiden and ignore stamina forever
potent echo
Also dude was a kerillian main.
3k hours wutelgi
hearty dagger
It's not that he did the knife zealot thing where he ran across the map and ignored all the enemies, no
potent echo
Handmaiden wants to push lol
hearty dagger
Dude just ran to the end of the map and fucking wiped everything out.
half turtle
Handmaiden wants to push lol
yeah but handmaiden has 100% stamina regen bonus aura
half turtle
so you can literally spam shove attacks nonstop and not run out
also 90% bcr so it doesn't even matter if your stamina is low
hearty dagger
I kinda wanna play VT2 now
half turtle
i played it recently and was dismayed at how much of a piece of shit my guy was compared to DT
hearty dagger
But the problem is, going from Darktide to VT2 feels terrible
half turtle
can't sprint, can't slide
hearty dagger
Like, your mobility options are significantly worse
half turtle
in vt2 i think a lot more of your mobility comes from lunges on the weapons
hearty dagger
So the game just feels so sluggish
half turtle
like xsword vs eviscerator 15 is a great example, where even though they have the same movesets, the xsword heavies would literally make you run 10' forward instantly
whereas the eviscerator feels a bit sluggish in comparison because darktide has much weaker weapon lunges
spice veldt
hmm, i guess wrt to lunge attacks in this game, they can make it so that your attacks only lunge if you're sprinting with a nonzero amount of stamina
just tying more stuff to stamina
half turtle
Xsword had increased crit chance on push attack I think
yeah they added a bunch of crits to them bc people were block canceling after the first two lights before and fatshark hates block canceling
potent echo
Smhmh
half turtle
due to L1 L2 being perfectly flat (so you could drag it straight across heads) and L3 being a weird uppercut
potent echo
Bretsword lived off cancelling
hearty dagger
Stagger heal in VT2 was fucky as hell too
If you killed the enemy you didn't get shit since technically dude isn't staggered
half turtle
bretsword canceling still works but i think you don't really need to do it any more because L H L H is a good horde clear and push attack > H L H L is a great constant headchop
but i haven't played it for a while
hearty dagger
My BH main ass omw to run that crit heal
half turtle
because ther'es no sliding : ' (
potent echo
bretsword canceling still works but i _think_ you don't really need to do it any...
Overhead loop was sick af
half turtle
yeah bret sword had some fractally-wrinkly galaxy brain combo chains but once you got it down it was so fun
half turtle
hmm, i guess wrt to lunge attacks in this game, they can make it so that your at...
this would actually be really cool
hearty dagger
I'm still miffed about WPoS
Saltz had so much character development and it all got thrown out the window in favor of man with big hammer
spice veldt
yeah i was messing around with the ds4 and how the stab heavies just have this lingering hitbox
half turtle
yeah i was messing around with the ds4 and how the stab heavies just have this l...
oh i love that actually
spice veldt
and i realized, this lingering hitbox makes sense if you think of the heavy as a lunge
but it's also deranged that this happens when you're doing a standing heavy
half turtle
you can clothesline passing mutants with the stab, they bash their heads into it and die instantly
spice veldt
the stupid fools!!!!
don't run while other people are holding scissors
since this game has a sprinting mechanic and sprinting attacks, might as well make sprinting attacks a bit more distinct in some way
half turtle
imagine being like a 500lb roided-up mutant and dying because you ran into like a 2cm thick piece of steel
spice veldt
and sideways at that
half turtle
but yeah having a distinct lungier sprint heavy would be sick
potent echo
Or have one move in the weapon's moveset eat stamina like a pseudo thrust
hearty dagger
Imagine if we get something like a force bo and it has the WPoS tome and hammer lunge
Actually
Why doesn't the fucking staff bonk have that?
half turtle
Or have one move in the weapon's moveset eat stamina like a pseudo thrust
not exactly the same but i really liked that the vt2 rapier had a mechanic where if you held the heavy it had 3 stages of increasing damage
lethal lagoon
imagine being like a 500lb roided-up mutant and dying because you ran into like ...
Being big and strong only makes stubbing your toe hurt even more
hearty dagger
A fat lunge in exchange for peril seems more like a psyker thing than ragdolling a rager across the room
potent echo
not exactly the same but i really liked that the vt2 rapier had a mechanic where...
Same as pickaxe bardin, but no one uses pickaxe
half turtle
let the pickaxe hit more than 1 guy pls
it's fun on slayer i guess
cuz you can run it with something that actually cleaves
but it doesn't feel better-enough than the greataxe (or 1h axe even) against armor to be worth running in like, tryhard builds
half turtle
i was running a lot of 1h axes + 2 1h axes for a while which was very fun
also easy to remember which weapon to use:
- few man -> few axe
- many man -> many axe
potent echo
My copium is telling me that they will add weapons with interesting mechanics like these to test water for their next game
half turtle
although tbh the dual axes feel just straight up worse than the dual hammers except that having two axes is fucking metal, man
half turtle
yeah
hearty dagger
Anyway, i mentioned the idea earlier
But i think a good folding shovel for psyker would be a force axe with an illisi on crack overhead
supple dock
so
got into a game with skudie
dominating the game npnp, being stupid
we all fell to our death
cloud sequoia
hmmm i saw a lot of psyker doing the duelling sword poke -> heavy is that better than heavy -> heavy?
cloud sequoia
fair
supple dock
@cloud sequoia
cloud sequoia
mutant is the lowest problem with duelling sword but point taken
spice veldt
attacks have a short chain-time into the special, and the special has a short chain-time into heavies
i personally would continue onto the h2 from h1 but i haven't done any frame checking to see which is more DPS
supple dock
It's probably more DPS but the stagger can be really strong
spice veldt
yeah and uncanny stacking, at least initially
half turtle
one other notable thing about the heavy > poke combo is that you can stagger a lot of guys out of threatening attacks
although this is slightly less important now that ragers seem to be super nerfed
heavy > poke to the head still staggers maulers out of their overheads though, and at least it used to stagger crushers out of their overheads
you can also stagger mutants out of their charge but that's a lot less important because heavy headshots just straight up kill them with decent rolls
potent echo
hmmm i saw a lot of psyker doing the duelling sword poke -> heavy is that better...
Slightly lower dps at max uncanny stacks, but builds slightly faster, and staggers
I'll start crusher duels with that then just transition over to pure heavies
deft hearth
Is psyker really good or is it the only class I'm ok with
rigid sky
Is psyker really good or is it the only class I'm ok with
possibly yes to both
it's really good but idk if it's really better than the others
all classes are great atm
deft hearth
Very cool
supple dock
Is psyker really good or is it the only class I'm ok with
psyker is really good. it's also the most unforgiving
deft hearth
In the sense that I'm squishy af?
supple dock
The sheer power you have is wild, but anything so much as looks at you and you die
supple dock
You will learn that on Damnation, the final boss are 2 bruisers sneaking up on you
deft hearth
I only recently started playing auric 5s. I only played auric 4s before and learning crushers need THREE head pops was heartbreaking
deft hearth
But yea 2 bruisers sneaking up on me has pretty much been the only thing I die to unless I'm genuinely super massively overwhelmed and alone for some reason.
Ty ill read
Watch
radiant frigate
casters stronger than martials once again
deft hearth
As it should be
supple dock
I dunno man, a level 20 fighter can drink an entire flagon of beer, stab the bartender 5 times and sprint 30 feet within 6 seconds
but then again a level 20 wizard can just unmake you with a thought
lethal lagoon
I dunno man, a level 20 fighter can drink an entire flagon of beer, stab the bar...
30 feet within 6 seconds?
lethal lagoon
That's literally just a normal walking spd.
supple dock
That's literally just a normal walking spd.
After downing an entire pint of beer and stabbing a bartender with a sword 5 times?
sorry, flagon
and a flagon is a bit over a full liter
lethal lagoon
Like if a 52 year old 5'9'' man was walking to get the newspaper, it's about that speed.
That's like what, 3 beer bottles?
And you never said how effective those stabs were
supple dock
And you never said how effective those stabs were
VERY effective
Like a single swing from a level 20 fighter can decapitate a horse
with a normal longsword
lethal lagoon
So after drinking a well below legal amount of alcohol, and then taking 5 swings to kill a harmless, likely old man, he stumbles along slower than that same harmless old man would have walked?
lethal lagoon
supple dock
You're such a pain in the ass
lethal lagoon
TBF, I think you just didn't want to admit that sprinting 30 feet within 6 seconds is full snail mode
🐌
Especially when you are a borderline demigod.
Do they become demigods at lvl 25 or whatever?
Or am I thinking of something else
potent echo
What system is this
lethal lagoon
lvl 20, so DnD?
potent echo
There's no 25 unless homebrew
lethal lagoon
potent echo
Also sprinting is 60 feet
potent echo
I don't even know what a feet is
lethal lagoon
3ish feet per meter
radiant frigate
that speed is above average for a halfling or dwarf
hearty dagger
Got another weird idea for a supposed psyker talent tree rework.
Essentially, you can't run out of ammo at the cost of peril. I.E, revolver, every time you fire the last shot, you take 20% Peril but immediately get a new shot to shoot
potent echo
Ghost boolet
hearty dagger
Obv it's 20% since 1 shot is 1/5th of a revolver's mag size
potent echo
Just take BLO from ogin and throw it on psyker
lethal lagoon
Got another weird idea for a supposed psyker talent tree rework.
Essentially, yo...
That's a nice idea, since it doesn't overlap with scrier's.
Or rather it does overlap.
Which is the good part. So not too OP or anything.
radiant frigate
how come Summon Bullets is not on your spell list
supple dock
Do they become demigods at lvl 25 or whatever?
20 is demigod
radiant frigate
bladesinger wizard 
lethal lagoon
bladehugger wizard 
supple dock
bladesinger wizard <:purityseal:1044234998015852635>
Starting at 14th level, you can add your Intelligence modifier (minimum of +1) to the damage of your melee weapon attacks while your Bladesong is active.
Bladesinging is a really cool concpet but like
There's no added damage values until level 14 lmao
Or even attack bonus
radiant frigate
Or even attack bonus
other classes also don't exactly get attack bonuses
everyone hovers around the same accuracy except for various sources of advantage, or archery fighting style
supple dock
Your main stat is intelligence, but it still uses str/dex for attack/damage modifiers which most classes get
even hexblade gets attack and damage bonus
potent echo
Hexblade paladin
radiant frigate
hexblade sorcerer
supple dock
divine soul hexblade sorlock
is so fucking strong lmao
HOW DO YOU READ THIS HUD
oops exposed sec
warcrime
lone ravine
Why the hell is the hud off centered from the stamina bar????
That gap from toughness to the stamina bar is unacceptable
stark notch
divine soul hexblade sorlock
Damn it, missed the DnD conversation T-T
sacred crane
weary crane
Darktide players installing mods to make their game worse
Funny part is that hud has still got the missing talent bug
Hold on let me just analyse the stamina regen of my braindead teammate while I parry a blessed chaos spawn
hearty oak
HOW DO YOU READ THIS HUD
You just do. No a fan of the smaller health and toughness meter though.
wind spruce
HOW DO YOU READ THIS HUD
And people don't like my HUD
patent wing
i was leveling my vet yesterday and noticed that bolter cant open up bulwarks anymore lol - literally worst gun now
stark notch
i was leveling my vet yesterday and noticed that bolter cant open up bulwarks an...
Bolters fans can't catch a break 😔
jovial juniper
i was leveling my vet yesterday and noticed that bolter cant open up bulwarks an...
I believe you need 4-6 shots now
patent wing
I believe you need 4-6 shots now
i magdumped and couldnt open it
jovial juniper
Or 2 with Execstance
tired estuary
its not even a big balance issue, it just feels so bad lmao
tired estuary
i magdumped and couldnt open it
you need high collateral stat now
patent wing
you need high collateral stat now
i only had a grey one cuz lvl 15 so might be that
jovial juniper
The agripina shotgun is the number one Bulwark opener for vet, at least for now
Plasma will go through but won't open
upper sun
bulwarks? this is psyker chat bulwarks and ragers dont exist here
i unironically thought ragers were a trash mob until i started playing zealot and started dying to them
marble crater
Nothing better than joining a game in progress and two people are flaming each other
upper sun
hell yeah
untold niche
The agripina shotgun is the number one Bulwark opener for vet, at least for now
Kantshotgun goes thru tho
untold niche
i unironically thought ragers were a trash mob until i started playing zealot an...
Same, I didn't get why everyone was so scared of crushers and ragers when I was ogryn
untold niche
Bro I love you but why your hud look like a fucking racing sim
supple dock
Bro I love you but why your hud look like a fucking racing sim
Not mine, streamers
Looks fucking terrible LMAO
jovial juniper
why not go DD surge
I'm going to add Scrier's to that
Oh yeah, I haven't tried Gaze + staff this patch
weary crane
i was leveling my vet yesterday and noticed that bolter cant open up bulwarks an...
BAHAHAHAHHA
untold niche
i was leveling my vet yesterday and noticed that bolter cant open up bulwarks an...
hip fire or ADS?
patent wing
hip fire or ADS?
aimed hits
wind spruce
but the crit damage
Is the crit multiplier high enough for it to be worth it?
supple dock
Surge crit multiplier is pretty massive
Idk exact numbers but when I crit the damage is much much much higher than base
wind spruce
Surge crit multiplier is pretty massive
Gotta remember its getting boosted by the crit stat, so the multiplier may be less than the numbers indicate (if I understand the maths correctly)
jovial juniper
If I'm not mistaken, it's around 0.3 across the board with the exception of carapace
wind spruce
If I'm not mistaken, it's around 0.3 across the board with the exception of cara...
That's roughly what I have in my head too
So 15 stacks of DD, 37.5% crit damage, would basically give an extra 0.1 or 1/14.0
Even at 50% crit chance that's less than a 4% damage increase
Of course, you get the flat 15%
So like 19% damage vs the 24% from warp charges plus all the other benefits WC give you
willow hazel
Well DD gives other benefits too
and the damage bonus stays after using your ability
supple dock
I'll let you guys figure out the optimal shit I just wanna kill heretics effectively
tired estuary
god I just got the penance for pushing dudes into the fan on relay station on sedition solo
and the bots killed things too quickly, I had to get close enough to the fan that their AI followed too far and get themselves killed
marble crater
supple dock
Do push attacks on knife count for haymaker
upper sun
and the bots killed things too quickly, I had to get close enough to the fan tha...
well that solved your problem
supple dock
Also I out damaged a plasma vet today let's goooo
tired estuary
I was really worried the same thing would happen as last time and a player would eventually join and completely ignore me saying not to push both buttons for the penance
jovial juniper
That's roughly what I have in my head too
The tooltip says 2% crit damage, 2.5% weakspot, so it's 30% instead of 37.5%
💀
Guess we'll become Perfectionism enjoyers for that extra 50% every 200 game or so
marble crater
upper sun
cant argue with results
i played weapon spec a lot and i always ended up stackless for elites 😭
marble crater
I'm also having problems with weapon spec
For the focus target one it also counts if the team kills them, right?
upper sun
no
upper sun
braced auto also works
upper sun
😭 charge rate tho
i wouldnt go below like 70 on surge
very easy to cast below max charge
harsh urchin
@spice veldt i thought through a bit, and I think my main issues arent with the blitz, but moreso with the blitz talents and EP. Bb smite assail on baseline is mostly fine. I'm unhappy with how unimpactful both EP and the blitz talents are in terms of making your "psionics enhanced"
harsh urchin
It really feels like points put in them are huge waste of talents
spice veldt
at least for me, I'm thinking of DD assail as my baseline
I consider EP to be impactful
just boring
and should just be reworked
upper sun
idk i think they should do something with WS first
spice veldt
they prob going to do balance patches in batches anyways so it ultimately doesn't really matter what goes first or not
EP is just being discussed because it's the topic
otherwise i would never willingly talk about EP besides saying that it should just be reworked
EP is just boring and could potentially be better
It could introduce additional effects and have more distinct effects per blitz instead of having this ubiquitous consumable charge system and being pretty much just flat numerical buffs
thorn cedar
i kinda like the idea of a blitz-focused psyker but EP aint it
like an EP BB should be blowing up an area or something
assail EP should make the dart circle around you defensively or some shit
instead of this boring "same but stronger" shit
harsh urchin
If I were EP designer; what I would do is just go nuts lol
Like "smite no longer stuns but does 350% dmg"
thorn cedar
smite is especially bad with EP rn
its completely anemic to left click which i legitimately think is the best way to use smite
short targeted bursts
harsh urchin
Assaul now must be aimed and travels in straight line, but does 200% damage and 100% slower charge recovery
Stuff like that
For EP
spice veldt
its completely anemic to left click which i legitimately think is the best way t...
nah the RMB is just peak degeneracu
thorn cedar
cant believe they buffed it lol
spice veldt
at least the aim assist mode of assail is a big part of it
since one of the main selling points is that assail shards fly in the air while you're doing stuff with your other weapons
patent wing
left click only assail gang rise up
upper sun
they prob going to do balance patches in batches anyways so it ultimately doesn'...
EP and DD got balance changes in the last patch
upper sun
why would you balance a keystone before throwing it off a plane?
thorn cedar
DD is silly now
spice veldt
i'm not predicting what fatshark is gonna do though
thorn cedar
completely trivial ask for big gainz
spice veldt
i'm discussing a hypothetical about what would be more interesting for EP
you are off your knockers, as usual
my idea would be along the lines of having only one assail shard but it gains a massively increased lifetime and cleave
harsh urchin
i personally would like ep to completely change how the blitz works rather than just numbers tweaks
thorn cedar
totes
upper sun
my idea would be along the lines of having only one assail shard but it gains a ...
ehm ehm assail staff ehm ehm
harsh urchin
Super assail, super smite and super bb
spice veldt
ehm ehm assail staff ehm ehm
i have no idea if you are being ironic or not
upper sun
whatever you land on im the opposite
lone ravine
i personally would like ep to completely change how the blitz works rather than ...
EP BB explodes the targets head 3 more times every 5 seconds
spice veldt
i will once again point out that i can not tell if you are unironic or not because you genuinely do just say stupid shit #psyker-class message
supple dock
smite is especially bad with EP rn
harsh urchin
I'd also like to see a dot rework, to bleed burn etc but I'm like 99% sure thatll never happen
lyric burrow
my idea would be along the lines of having only one assail shard but it gains a ...
yes
EP is one of the main things about psyker i want changed
lone ravine
Burn dealing more dmg vs armored targets as they get cooked alive in their armor, bleed more towards unarmored as there’s nothing protecting the flesh
lyric burrow
Could be 1000x more interesting
Rather than "you killed elite now your blitz is either dumb or usable"
lone ravine
Guh???
harsh urchin
I have an idea for smite
supple dock
I have an idea for smite
remove it
spice veldt
flak enemies taking their 20th L
harsh urchin
"lightning no longer stuns, lightning can jump to the same enemy" as an EP upgrade
Basically remove horde ability to do single target dmg
spice veldt
i hate the current iteration of smite so much that i don't even want to think about it
harsh urchin
LOL
lone ravine
EP smite making it into how lightning strikes instantly instead of constant dmg zapping the enemies over time?
spice veldt
should've just been some close-ranged damaging blitz like a lightning punch baseline
harsh urchin
Jesus psyker blitzes are just ass
lyric burrow
Yeah they can do anything to change smite and ill probably hate it less
spice veldt
they're strong but just lacking in any depth
smite is hold rmb + lmb
assail gives you 10 shards to fuck with
lone ravine
Jesus psyker blitzes are just ass
Psyker blitz being tertiary weapons instead of actual blitz
harsh urchin
They're strong baseline but neither blitz talents or EP are interesting
lone ravine
brainburst lacking any and all depth
Literally the only thing you gotta do is hold m1 over the head til it locks on and you can do literally anything else during that time
spice veldt
kinetic flayer taking up space on the talent tree 🥲
lyric burrow
Assail saves psyker blitzes for me despite wanting it changed
supple dock
flayer should be part of grabbing BB
harsh urchin
kinetic flayer taking up space on the talent tree 🥲
Thats the sacrifice u make for PC to exist
lyric burrow
It at least has a neat melee/assail combat loop
spice veldt
guh
spice veldt
It at least has a neat melee/assail combat loop
i'm glad my pre-patch 13 and post-patch 13 playstyles have continued to be blitz + melee
war never changes
supple dock
What if flayer made the enemy take more dmg?
we had a skill like that
BB'd targets took 25% more damage from all sources
upper sun
i will once again point out that i can not tell if you are unironic or not becau...
sounds like a skill issue
supple dock
...it was removed
lone ravine
Why tho????
supple dock
because it shredded bosses lol
spice veldt
sounds like a skill issue
not as much of a skill issue as what was linked
it was just moved to smite instead
lone ravine
Ogryn literally has the same but slightly weaker talent on all attacks???
spice veldt
hmm
lone ravine
hnhnghnhnghnghnhgn
“Affect” means stunned I think
thorn cedar
pretty sure its independent of the stun state
harsh urchin
I dont really take the blitz talents cuz theyre ass
spice veldt
there be resonance and the assail upgrades
i'm not sure if anyone takes smite upgrades
lone ravine
Smite is just there it’s not part of any build
supple dock
If you focus on smite lightning storm is big
thorn cedar
i do take the extra jump
supple dock
The jump speed is massively increased
upper sun
extra jump doesnt do much
thorn cedar
just because it means i have to smite for less time to hit the same # of dudes
because smite sucks
supple dock
"+1 jump" isn't all it does, increases jump speed by a good amount
or maybe it means it hooks onto more targets at the same time
whatever
thorn cedar
ye its most obvious with left click
its basically every time that smite does a check to leash to a new target it leashes to one more
and it checks often
right click already locks down so many as to be almost imperceptible
but left click its clear immediately
it latches to a second target almost instantly
lone ravine
What if kinetic flayer just added a flat amount of dmg while you were charging it up on an enemy, like you hold m1 on them and as you’re charging it it’ll deal like 75 dmg every tick or something before the dmg burst at full charge
harsh urchin
What if kinetic flayer just added a flat amount of dmg while you were charging i...
Kinetic flayer is easy to fix lol
They need to either remove the cooldown or keep the cd and remove the 10%, make it 100% and make it only hit elites/specials
lone ravine
Mmm wasted on a poxwalker, take it or leave it
harsh urchin
Either of those changes would instantly make it insane
upper sun
What if kinetic flayer just added a flat amount of dmg while you were charging i...
what if gaze lowered peril instead
queen fog
I think it do if u got a certain talent modifier to it 
lone ravine
Blitz blessing when
spice veldt
nah it has a warp resistance node at best
upper sun
seperate blitzs from builds
give every blitz the vet central node at the top and bottom
thorn cedar
id love to know what the exact wording is in the script for gaze
for what happens when you kill an enemy
it claims to pause the ramp up but ... doesn't honestly feel like it lol
feels like a small delay on the next gain, or something
spice veldt
it seems to queue the kills up in some way
cuz if you get like a bunch of kills initially, gaze will be slowed down for a long while
harsh urchin
I'm really not a huge fan of SG design
thorn cedar
like detonating a fat group with trauma
spice veldt
i suppose that only the build up is slowed
thorn cedar
youd expect a very visible pause
spice veldt
rather than the speed being slowed
e.g., the acceleration being slowed rather than the velocity
thorn cedar
so the ramp, but not the increase
harsh urchin
Hope that one gets a rework too
thorn cedar
or sure, the science terms
gaze kicks ass, if you touch my baby i will brain burst ur balls
harsh urchin
Sucks ass*
queen fog
I have alot of fun with gaze mk5 combat knife even tho psyker ain’t built like that for melee 
queen fog
Shit is so fast
supple dock
mk6 or 3
queen fog
supple dock
(arguably it is but definitely not this low lmao)
patent wing
60% flamer res op guys
upper sun
its real on zealot
unironically on psyker id love mauler resist or 30% louder maulers
or maulers get massive warning lights when they're behind me
supple dock
lmao
supple dock
aw
it doesn't show the second part
Where she says she was an accident too
Just popped into my head, don't mind me
marble crater
hearty oak
I can't believe I've slept on the mk6 recon for psyker. Actually super good for igniting and closing the gap for BB
rich spindle
What does closing the gap mean
thorn cedar
make gap not a gap
dusk stump
Crossing the distance separating you and whatever you’re trying to kill , or filling in a block of time between cooldowns, or crossing the health threshold to finish off with 1 BB. Maybe something else entirely idk.
untold niche
id love to know what the exact wording is in the script for gaze
Pretty sure lightbringrr would know
hearty oak
What does closing the gap mean
Take less BBs to kill ogryn enemies.
jovial juniper
What does closing the gap mean
I've used a build where recon infernus was my only source of boss damage
fiery roost
guys sry im new as a psyker player, which is the best build that i can play with it? somthing for a huge dps build?
rigid sky
guys sry im new as a psyker player, which is the best build that i can play with...
Pick any staff you like
And build around it
Or pick a good crit/headshot gun
Like columnus infantry autogun, accatran laspistol, zarona revolver, vraks 7 headhunter, etc