The only thing that is closest to what I want is crusher zealot but that weapon so slow.
So many time I do something mid animation and that something doesn't come out because the animation hasn't ended and I get so confused
#psyker-class
untold niche
Like many times I try to PA, then nothing comes out. I thought ok stamina? I look at stamina nope not zero.
tired estuary
I always run zcrusher with +attack speed and momentum keystone
lunar hollow
it's in a better spot than it once was but there's still too many ridiculous outliers and problematic stuff that's been left in the game for too long
tired estuary
helps with both mobility/dodge and general smoothness imo
lunar hollow
part of the problem is that a lot of good stuff i.e plasma/revolver etc are the way they are because certain mechanics are just impossible to work around
untold niche
Yeah josho runs that as well. But I never bothered to try after momentum nerf.
Personally the duration down really affected me
I did try before momentum nerf
lunar hollow
and stuff that negates them (suppression, recoil, etc) is just more fun in general
untold niche
Still too slow for me
tired estuary
nothing is remotely as bad as shit like vt2 having a dlc weapon pack with an essentially ammoless rocket launcher (Moonbow before nerf/rework)
also 5% nerf on momentum really doesn't hurt it lol
untold niche
and stuff that negates them (suppression, recoil, etc) is just more fun in gener...
Wait cna you rephrase this.
What negates what. And what is more fun.
untold niche
also 5% nerf on momentum really doesn't hurt it lol
As I mentioned, duration.
tired estuary
15% bonus to p much everything offensively is still pretty good
lunar hollow
gun handling in this game is really poorly designed
tired estuary
my b I'm tried
lunar hollow
suppression as a mechanic has literally 0 way to get around it unless you have a talent that turns it off
lunar hollow
recoil/sway on a lot of guns also doesn't make sense, isn't predictable at all, and is just a headache to manage
lunar hollow
Doesn't depression reset at end if dodge
no
untold niche
I doubt a game like DT going to have predetermined recoil like CS
spice veldt
if a ranged enemy shoots in your general direction, your character gets the shakes except for some guns for some reason or if they have Determined
lunar hollow
I doubt a game like DT going to have predetermined recoil like CS
there's a lot of nonsensical gun handling stuff
certain guns have recoil climb that works the opposite of intuition - first burst of a vraks 3 will have more recoil than the 2nd
untold niche
Like columns recoil being like a 2008 free fps game
radiant frigate
what about stuff like "i shoot for 0 damage but now you burn"
lunar hollow
columnus gets off easy because you hit the climb ceiling quickly and it flattens p fast
if u go look at ur pub matches and check who is running headhunters the answer is going to be very low
untold niche
I meant fact that it reaches the climb and stays there, and how it seems to shoot above your gun isnsilly
Is silly
spice veldt
the sight mismatching with where your shots actually go is certainly another one of the issues of all time
potent echo
Headhunter is just weird
patent wing
Like columns recoil being like a 2008 free fps game
easier
lunar hollow
u basically can't use vraks 7 super well as an anti-gunner tool on psyker/zealot because if literally any enemy is shooting at you
the crosshair blooms like 3x
potent echo
It doesn't benefit from damage increase talents
lunar hollow
the game has denied you the privilege of using a gun
spice veldt
for most guns, it just seems to be an offset issue because if you adjust their position from the screen with Weapon FOV or moveviewmodel, the sights correctly follow where the shots actually go (for the most part)
(and then there's the bolter)
lunar hollow
the bolter is the culmination of every sin a fatshark employee has ever made
mental grail
columnus gets off easy because you hit the climb ceiling quickly and it flattens...
This, headhunters piss me off with their recoil pattern.
untold niche
for most guns, it just seems to be an offset issue because if you adjust their p...
2008 fps gun animstions
untold niche
the bolter is the culmination of every sin a fatshark employee has ever made
2002 fps gun animation
potent echo
If a gun can oneshot shooters as base kit it kind of doesn't make sense to run with DD or marksman focus
untold niche
What's that game that's like duke nukeum but more silly
mental grail
Columnus matters less as well because I hardly ads with it anyway
untold niche
Mad or something max or something start with S
The one with tye suicide bombers
Bombs in their hands
potent echo
Serious max
mental grail
so fuck the recoil, you're getting magdumped from the hip
untold niche
Serious sam
potent echo
Mad sam
untold niche
Yeah
spice veldt
at least you do need DD a bit on psyker but you can rack up enough passive damage bonuses on vet that baseline headhunter just oneshots gunners without marksman or focus target lamayo
untold niche
Bolter just reminds me of serious sam
lunar hollow
so fuck the recoil, you're getting magdumped from the hip
and that's a big problem with a lot of weapons
they don't really incentivize recoil control
or outright deny it without mods like the infantry lasgun
potent echo
at least you do need DD a bit on psyker but you can rack up enough passive damag...
But it doesn't get any value vs shooters 
mental grail
Why would they when accuracy is mostly irrelevant
untold niche
they don't really incentivize recoil control
Wouldn't this be a game philosophy thing. I can't remember exactly what you said but when I was ranting about wanting more mechanical skill expression iirc thr convo concluded with something like " this is still a casual coop game"
spice veldt
accuracy would matter if our DPS wasn't so high relative to the enemies and you'd need to hit shots
lunar hollow
Wouldn't this be a game philosophy thing. I can't remember exactly what you said...
it's a casual co-op shooter
with guns
untold niche
Which is why earlier I said I doubt DT going to have deterministic recoil like CS
lunar hollow
the guns should... probably shoot like guns
mental grail
They swamp you with like 3,000 musty ass heretics. "recoil control" is treated as the joke it mostly is
potent echo
DD gets more value with lighter laspistol because it let's lighter laspistol oneshot shooters while the heavier one can already kind of do it
lunar hollow
like if the bolter was baseline usable instead of requiring specific talents on the classes that get it people would probably enjoy it more
spice veldt
obviously recoil control is going to matter less on weaker chaff
lunar hollow
if ur shooting every gun into poxwalkers u are a hero for denying people ammo in the post-survivalist nerf world
mental grail
I remember someone posting themselves getting the scriers penance done in like 15 seconds because all they had to do was hold m1 on a crowd
lunar hollow
knew one dude who was like "infantry lasgun one shots poxwalkers, that's pretty good for me" and just
infantry lasgunned the poxwalkers
spice veldt
😎
potent echo
You can do it
mental grail
infantry lasgunned the poxwalkers
based
lunar hollow
with how easy it is to keep marksman up ur just bein dumb if that is the actual reason
just accept that u are here to shoot zombies
spice veldt
farming poxwalkers for marksman stacks is p much for boss scenarios
untold niche
the guns should... probably shoot like guns
To answer directly
Ciag doesn't even shootblike a gun.
What kind of gun when you shoot after few seconds there's now suddenly zero vertical recoil you need to account for
In terms of big picture. I feel mechanical skill ceiling is still mechanical skill ceiling. And DT isn't even gun focused.
mental grail
just accept that u are here to shoot zombies
is that not why ur here?
onyx sentinel
@wind spruce why'd you ran assail with trauma, pretty unconventional as build goes
potent echo
DT schmoovement
lunar hollow
To answer directly
Ciag doesn't even shootblike a gun.
What kind of gun when yo...
darktide is the most gun-focused game fs has released
mental grail
they've released like 3 games
lunar hollow
you can make plenty of builds that are primarily ranged it really aint hard
lunar hollow
they've released like 3 games
they made like 4 games prior to the tide series that exist specifically for that one dude to make a reddit thread 3 years before darktide came out complaining about the fatshark cycle
spice veldt
doesn't help that we delete everything in a few shots so there's not much need to aim
or you run revolver and have bullet magnetism
untold niche
Sure, then how come only guns get to have more depth.
spice veldt
Sure, then how come only guns get to have more depth.
we do advocate for making melee more interesting as well
mental grail
the "xxx cycle" is so goddamn common
lunar hollow
the issue with guns are also system-wide, there's stuff that just doesn't work
spice veldt
we're just talking about guns cuz that happens to be the current topic
lunar hollow
the issue with melee weapons oftentimes comes down to more specific problem cases
mental grail
yeah and while we're on guns make recon lasguns not dogshit please fs
untold niche
I see.
spice veldt
prob partially because they don't know what to do with them
mental grail
elaborate
spice veldt
whaddya mean
they just don't know what niche to give to them
obviously they're the low-recoil laser beam weapon
untold niche
I genuinely thought lasguns are meant to kill zombirs with thee infinite ammo node.
At least for vet
upper sun
I genuinely thought lasguns are meant to kill zombirs with thee infinite ammo no...
they are its fine
spice veldt
I'd give them a high weakspot multi so that you absolutely have to beam heads to do any damage instead of the ~1.4x that they currently have
potent echo
Recon have that sweeping profile on their "recoil" lmao
mental grail
they just don't know what niche to give to them
can they not just slap a damage buff on them? why do recons have to have a niche when average as fuck shit like graia and obscurus exist taking up space
spice veldt
like you said, other weapons that do some stuff already exist
might as well make the recons do something somewhat different
untold niche
Graia is the only fun gun to shoot for me. Feels like what you expect out of a shooter
spice veldt
that's the point of having different weapons after all
supple dock
hmm
Maybe buff the recon's base crit rate?
Since you'd wanna use it with that talent on vets that gives ammo back for crits
untold niche
Volvo too I guess.
Laspistol fun but doesn't do alot against cara
spice veldt
i hate anything that buffs crit chance
untold niche
And not fun to spam left click
spice veldt
crit chance should remain as a gambling thing
not something that you can stack up to >50%
mental grail
the point is graia is at least usable, while it takes a godroll to make recons even feel nice
supple dock
i hate anything that buffs crit chance
yes, but recon feels good to hold LMB on, and that allows for more of that
spice veldt
the point is graia is at least usable, while it takes a godroll to make recons e...
yeah?
i'm not arguing against buffing recons
what are you on
i'm in favor of buffing them
lunar hollow
the recon series suffers from none of the guns having reasonable tradeoffs that matter atm. ideally if they were to make them better they'd probably also separate them in ways that make more sense
spice veldt
did you not get the memo that buffing their weakspot multi would be a buff
mental grail
i'm in favor of buffing them
im just salty that fatshark was devious enough to drop an entire overpriced cosmetic set featuring a weapon they have actively refused to fix for like a year
no salt in your direction
spice veldt
yeah fatshark pace certainly exacerbates issues
untold niche
It kind of feels like FS chose some gun models for variety and popularity, then went with thematic balance and since there's only limited amount of "concepts" they don't know what to do with the rest
spice veldt
an unavoidable (?) problem that makes things painful for both sides
untold niche
Rather than have concepts first and then choose the appropriate guns
spice veldt
p much
i'm fine with theming taking some importance but there's certainly quite some leeway for balance
mental grail
It kind of feels like FS chose some gun models for variety and popularity, then ...
Yeah, I feel like they just went with the kantrael as the 'standard' lasgun and just slapped the other guns with attributes relative to it.
untold niche
i'm fine with theming taking some importance but there's certainly quite some le...
It seems like that'd what majority of the community leans towards as well.
Stuff like I want X weapon ( without any specific mechanics, just the model)
Another example is when I complained about VT2s class restricted and people were replying " but of course you can't have two of the literal same person!"
So tbf I think it's a community exercabated ( is that how you spell it) issue
cinder moon
was just where the chat was when i clicked into the channel
marble crater
Why couldn't this be a Trauma?
untold niche
Don't you already have a god roll BT
upper sun
because trauma doesnt have a mobility stat
marble crater
Don't you already have a god roll BT
Only 75% damage and 79% charge rate 
untold niche
Wait does it one shotbbruiser @marble crater
marble crater
With buffs it definitely does, without buffs I think as well, need to check
untold niche
thats good enuf >:v
mental grail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5nSLsUlGzc
Counterpoint:
marble crater
Yes it one shots them
manic river
which one is better
marble crater
I would say the left one, more finesse and you have uncanny already on there so you can experiment with which second blessing you like best, right side is equally great though. I use uncanny and riposte myself
manic river
4% less rending is barely something
marble crater
Between one having higher finesse and the other having higher rending, there might be barely any difference, if there is one at all. You could test in the meat grinder and see how big the damage difference is 
supple dock
well i had a stupid late night thought that may or may not take me down a rabbit hole
Illustrations are just a differnet type of illusion
radiant frigate
well i had a stupid late night thought that may or may not take me down a rabbit...
interesting
what inspired this?
supple dock
For some reason? Just an art video
The etymology of illustrate and illuision are separated though
interesting..
It just seems fairly coincidental they're so similar in english
mental grail
do any of the store masks have the mechanical filter?
or is it just the navigator mask?
plucky flax
Counterpoint:
This guy must be good
supple dock
Why is he unsanctioned? Mostly because he thinks he has psyker powers but just guns down heretics
patent wing
This guy must be good
are u up for some true duo?
plucky flax
are u up for some true duo?
Can do later tonight when I'm home.
mental grail
This guy must be good
yeah, I gotta find him, I hope he's in the server
plucky flax
Why is he unsanctioned? Mostly because he thinks he has psyker powers but just g...
His daddy is tzeentch not the puny emprah
upper sun
ladies and gents we have a good one
upper sun
people make jokes about huds this crowded
very informative UI 10/10
would dopaminemaxx my brain with
cosmic sigil
ladies and gents we have a good one
Go buy a lottery ticket
viral inlet
would dopaminemaxx my brain with
irl peril
upper sun
Go buy a lottery ticket
who wins the lottery twice
supple dock
wait holy shit volcanic eruptions create their own lightning
supple dock
ladies and gents we have a good one
wooo!
mental grail
I need a voice mod like this on the psyker
viral inlet
I need a voice mod like this on the psyker
red glowing eye mask with weird triange ears is the one that has it
cosmic sigil
who wins the lottery twice
true
plucky flax
ladies and gents we have a good one
Not 80 charge rate and blast but it's good enough.
mental grail
red glowing eye mask with weird triange ears is the one that has it
is it the only one?
plucky flax
That hud is extremely based.
upper sun
Not 80 charge rate and blast but it's good enough.
ill keep using my other one with all 80s and dump warp res but at least the mod slot on that one is blazing so if blazing 4 ever happens ill switch
plucky flax
ill keep using my other one with all 80s and dump warp res but at least the mod ...
Yep exactly. Blaze spirits 4 would make trauma okay ish 
plucky flax
Pog
viral inlet
is it the only one?
they've been very conservative with what gets the voice filter, there's like only one cosmetic per class
cosmic sigil
kickback would be usable with blaze away 4
imagine manstopper on kickback hmmmmmm
upper sun
imagine manstopper on kickback hmmmmmm
i just started using a shotty with that it would get stooopid
marble crater
ladies and gents we have a good one
Very nice, congrats
dim parrot
they've been very conservative with what gets the voice filter, there's like onl...
nah there's at least 2 for psyker
the rest idk, only have the crown headpiece for the zealot
quartz barn
I dont know why the winged helm with red eyes gets the filter, but the other 2 variants that are literally just reskins dont
plucky flax
Because they want your money
quartz barn
If that was the case all 3 would have the filter
dim parrot
there is another one where it only covers the mouth and the back of the head part wich also changes the voice
mental grail
they've been very conservative with what gets the voice filter, there's like onl...
I wanted to get a rebreather with the filter, but I'm guessing nothing in the shop rn has it?
quartz barn
Afaik they added a tooltip that mentions the filter
quartz barn
Dont know if theres one in the store atm
Ye only way to truly check is random yt vids
Thats how i figured out that the red eyes helm even had a filter
mental grail
there is another one where it only covers the mouth and the back of the head par...
This one I'm pretty sure
plucky flax
If that was the case all 3 would have the filter
They release the red eyes one last.
So people have to buy it again.
dim parrot
This one I'm pretty sure
nah another one
mental grail
it says it has A filter, but not which one
dim parrot
wait let me start it up real quick
quartz barn
A voice preview similar to the character creation would be nice
mental grail
I'm on copium rn hoping it has the filter 
mental grail
bro
the only way to find out if it has the filter is to ask someone who has it
and nobody fucking has it
dim parrot
ok I have 3 that change the voice we want on psyker
one is the one that we already know of and the other one's imma send in a bit
upper sun
filters are meh id rathre hear the voice acting in its native glory
dim parrot
the second one I use the most
but I hate that it makes your character walk like they have a broken back
upper sun
they extended this dialogue line a bit
mental grail
filters are meh id rathre hear the voice acting in its native glory
mad psyker cackling filtered through the mask sounds horrifying
cinder moon
magic man morning meme
dim parrot
they aren't selling the chem dogs again are they
they will probably at some point
the yellow glowing ones have been in the shop 2 times
patent wing
fk this shit
patent wing
F
rigid sky
the feel is real
and it might never heal
no matter to whom you may appeal
so maybe just save it for the blooper reel
untold niche
fk this shit
over 2mil and still no cknife
no rarity
common rarity
rare rarity
legendary rarity
dense valley
just me or brain rupture looks like the surprised black guy lol
untold niche
just me or brain rupture looks like the surprised black guy lol
yep
marble crater
@vestal fulcrum did we just play Smelter together? 
vestal fulcrum
Oh. We might have. Were you the Zealot, or the Psyker ?
marble crater
Psyker
vestal fulcrum
My friend was one of the Zealots, the one that was thrown off the map twice, very disgruntled by that he was
marble crater
I blew up for no reason, also disgruntled. GG
vestal fulcrum
WP, good Beast of Nurgle kiting
I was constantly being swarmed by disablers in that section 
marble crater
Thanks, same, that was close a few times
vestal fulcrum
I would have killed it on the spot it appeared, had it not been for the sudden Carapace gang ™️ making an appearance
marble crater
radiant frigate
no rarity
common rarity
rare rarity
legendary rarity
claytide?
marble crater
Hadron please
radiant frigate
excellent paperweight
radiant frigate
barrage time
upper sun
F
untold niche
Almost <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
how come brick
radiant frigate
wat is claytide
tide games but on extra low graphics
so it looks like claymation
untold niche
tide games but on extra low graphics
ramstick die, no choice
Even with caly its 20 fps
upper sun
graphics are a distraction
radiant frigate
wtf brain
radiant frigate
tides should be in a text-based format
stark notch
I don't think my eyes can register anything above 40 fps
wet belfry
untold niche
I don't think my eyes can register anything above 40 fps
at 20 fps i need to guess when a mauler and crusher lands their overhit
god blessed me and i dodged both
its 20 fps average but the frame drop was insane
its like every 2 seconds new frame
radiant frigate
at 20 fps i need to guess when a mauler and crusher lands their overhit
turn based mode unlocked
untold niche
like it was like sudden pause then it returns to normal but its very frequent yeah so i need to guess stuff
also i kept getting trapped and dogged
idk why, it feels the sounds are slower to come out as well
radiant frigate
untold niche
<:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
i get dogged so much i feel like a malice player
radiant frigate
yes same
untold niche
i still waiting you go a5mael kat
upper sun
i take back everything i said about vet
shovel shotty weapon spec is very engaging to play
untold niche
shovel shotty weapon spec is very engaging to play
i play weapon spec with caxe and kant shotty and it feels like budget zealot
maybe not budget but
tankier and slower
way tankier
but the good thing is
you actually motivated to use your gun now
cald show ur build
untold niche
okeh
radiant frigate
i still waiting you go a5mael kat
I'll let you know when the time comes
untold niche
I'll let you know when the time comes
IF NOT NOW, WHEN
untold niche
upper sun
curios are mid and i need to take another look at talents theyre kinda messy
untold niche
curios are mid and i need to take another look at talents theyre kinda messy
i think same as mine, what your top look like
bronze hound
Is surge good for disrupt destiny build?
untold niche
Is surge good for disrupt destiny build?
surge staff or surge blessing?
upper sun
i dont think so secondary isnt super good for long range and it doesnt have much benefits on primary fire
bronze hound
surge staff or surge blessing?
staff
upper sun
it doesnt secondary is center mass
lyric burrow
void will do much but thats just void
yeah the only benefits would be base damage and crit damage
bronze hound
kk, fair enough
untold niche
then ya, DD boost headshot damage, and headshot give more stack if you take node
shut flax
is this a good sword? planning on using it for a bit but idk which perks/blessings i should grind for
lyric burrow
if you take a melee thats good with it/assail its still worth imo
untold niche
then ya, DD boost headshot damage, and headshot give more stack if you take node
@bronze hound
untold niche
if you take a melee thats good with it/assail its still worth imo
at that point why not just play gunker
lyric burrow
yeah you would be better off with a gun
i have one DD surge build but it uses Dclaw as a melee
upper sun
is this a good sword? planning on using it for a bit but idk which perks/blessin...
ye its alright people go flak+maniac slaughter+whatever
lyric burrow
and surge is only there for a boss/cara
lyric burrow
is this a good sword? planning on using it for a bit but idk which perks/blessin...
flak maniac and uncanny/slaught are good
can also do slaught deflector or something
shut flax
got the 20% maniac just now..
upper sun
right on nice
lyric burrow
slaught unstable is probably still good but its been a while since i used that build
yeah id swap out executor to slaught or uncanny
and weak spot to flak
untold niche
@upper sun
I run right aura because shotgun no need survivalist and i need the melee damage since im caxe
lyric burrow
and your good
upper sun
sir you upgraded another sword
untold niche
<@244173531129053194>
I run right aura because shotgun no need survivalist and ...
also on your toes very good to keep iron will up
shut flax
slaught unstable is probably still good but its been a while since i used that b...
cool. i don't have any other blessings though, will save it for a perfect craft
bronze hound
Also, be honest, bricked AF?
shut flax
Also, be honest, bricked AF?
wrong sword 💀
bronze hound
wrong sword 💀
I'm an Illisi fanboy
lyric burrow
Also, be honest, bricked AF?
p dead yeah
shut flax
got excited
upper sun
<@244173531129053194>
I run right aura because shotgun no need survivalist and ...
ye looks fine to chaxes have low reach speed with them are nice
untold niche
curios are mid and i need to take another look at talents theyre kinda messy
wait why you runnign deadshot
you swing once, kill 3 zombie, your next shotgun shot is garunteed crit
shut flax
got the right one this time. should i keep t3 deflector or do t4
untold niche
ye looks fine to chaxes have low reach speed with them are nice
nu nu im running caxe not chaxe
marble crater
got the right one this time. should i keep t3 deflector or do t4
Keep it at 3, put on slaughterer instead of Blazing and flak instead of infested, imo
untold niche
Keep it at 3, put on slaughterer instead of Blazing and flak instead of infested...
that what i would do too
you don't have maniac but tbh you don't need it
wait
@shut flax do you ahve loadout config
mod
check if after you take flak and slaughterer can you one shot both bruisers at max weapon stacks of slaughterer (with lights)
thats the only illisi BP you would care about
shut flax
I'll test it out! I would still have to wait for slaughterer though as i don't have any yet.
untold niche
are you on PC?
junior dirge
can someone explain what the right click for the deimos does? im feeling stupid
untold niche
can someone explain what the right click for the deimos does? im feeling stupid
the block?
junior dirge
oh its a block
untold niche
ya, wait are you confsued whyu there is a disc
junior dirge
idk i didnt really try to block with it lol, i thought it was an attack since right+left seemed to do something
untold niche
idk i didnt really try to block with it lol, i thought it was an attack since ri...
thats the push :v
Same for all weapon
junior dirge
oh gotcha, just looks different
untold niche
kat what is close and kill
shut flax
are you on PC?
yeah
untold niche
yeah
download the loadout config mod
Let you try diffferent weapon combination (stat perk and blessing ) in psk
untold niche
oh gotcha, just looks different
if you get deflector (blessing)
The disc become real and stop bullet
shut flax
sure thing. I'll add it to my mods. thanks for the tip
junior dirge
damn i need that
junior dirge
kinda yeah, started last week
untold niche
ooo, i'll just say that psyker levelling kind of not fun
psyker very build dependent
but theres a levelling build made by pygex (another player) for psyker that uses assail that people argue build bad habit because its too good at difficulties under malice
junior dirge
oh im having a good time lol, i used assail for a while and liked it but im going with smite rn
untold niche
oh thats gud
paper lily
if u just wanna level just use gun
rigid sky
Surge and purgatus staves aren't bad for levelling tbh
Trauma sucks below 30
idk about voidstrike
paper lily
idk gun just does job better
rigid sky
Gun works though
junior dirge
i got surge for single target yeah
rigid sky
but you don't really get the full glory of what gun can do until you get DD
untold niche
idk about voidstrike
voidstrike is peashooter
untold niche
general psyker build guide
rigid sky
I wouldn't rate solidity that highly tbh outside of smite builds
junior dirge
so crits are good?
untold niche
so crits are good?
yus
rigid sky
Crits are great on almost any psyker build
paper lily
The smite sub nodes are good
rigid sky
I think it's only like rending shockwave trauma that doesn't care so much
untold niche
I wouldn't rate solidity that highly tbh outside of smite builds
i feel good for any staff build
But that why i put ir as orange
junior dirge
is there somewhere i can see my crit chance?
untold niche
The smite sub nodes are good
:O
paper lily
They are
rigid sky
but all 4 staves (at least if you go blazing trauma) and any gun a psyker would actually be interested in, on top of all of our best melee weapons, and one of our blitzes, all benefit a lot from crit
crit synergy talents are pretty much autotakes
untold niche
They are
i forgot why general consensus enfeeble bad but i remember for the +1 jump its because most of time you won't reach max jumps anyway
coral kindle
magic hobo clutching up against 9 crushers and others lol
paper lily
The jump node does more than it says iirc
rigid sky
idk with new EP I kinda just feel like maximising smite completely now
junior dirge
apparently enfeeble doesnt work with the charged smite?
coral kindle
shoutout to psykers
paper lily
And enfeeble works even tho debuff indicator says it doesn't
untold niche
personal take: smite bad anyway, just because it makes the game unfun
someone runs smite and i don't have to play the game anymore if they are smiting all the time
junior dirge
it makes me brain happy
paper lily
Ep smite is pretty interactive in comparison to wc
junior dirge
is brain burst good at all?
paper lily
It can be
rigid sky
is brain burst good at all?
It's awkward but you can make it really good
Even totally unbuffed it can fill a hole in your kit if you're starved for points
but you should always try to get kinetic resonance for it
that makes it so much more usable
junior dirge
hmmm
rigid sky
EP on it makes it become actually really strong on top of that
untold niche
it makes me brain happy
thats fine, just explore the game for now
I say that because when someone else spams it i really don't have to play the game since the enemy isn't even moving and is of no threat, makes the game unfun for me.
rigid sky
it feels like a plasma with no cleave
paper lily
Smite as a starter ability will make you shit at the game
rigid sky
It's pretty nice to use under a shield too
junior dirge
thats fine, just explore the game for now
I say that because when someone else s...
yeah thats fair
rigid sky
All of our main options are great tbh
all abilities, blitzes, keystones at least
you just have to make sure they fit for your build
junior dirge
i might try assail again, should i use something else than surge with that tho?
rigid sky
and certain things are combos or nonbos
Surge assail is doable
I use assail with voidstrike and guns personally
you could argue to use it with any build really
it's just generically good
paper lily
surge assail is probably my strongest build
untold niche
i might try assail again, should i use something else than surge with that tho?
if you run the levelling assail build iirc you can forget your secondary exists.
paper lily
u can run pretty much any combo of anything
untold niche
you can charge and quell stuff while sliding
junior dirge
ive generally been doing ok except for the karnak twins mission that ive wiped every time lol
junior dirge
you can charge and quell stuff while sliding
good to know
paper lily
u should probably extrapolate a bit about that
untold niche
its good because while quelling / charging you get reduce movespeed, but that doesn't apply while sliding
paper lily
u shouldn't begin the quell before u slide really
ideally u movetech with ur primary and then do it
junior dirge
assail can crit too right?
paper lily
it can
untold niche
u shouldn't begin the quell before u slide really
ehhhh not sprint slide because you literally can't sprint but sometime i dodge slide while quelling
paper lily
it can headshot as welkl
junior dirge
sick
untold niche
assail can crit too right?
if it crit it would become purple iirc
paper lily
wdym u can't sprint
paper lily
idk i don't run ep assail
untold niche
wdym u can't sprint
i don't think you can sprint while quelling
paper lily
u can sprint slide and then quell
untold niche
yes
paper lily
ur movespeed is locked for duration of slide
junior dirge
im so glad you can just refund skill points for free
paper lily
ideally u do a ds4 l1 into slide into quell
junior dirge
this would suck otherwise
paper lily
but i'm a minmaxer
untold niche
u shouldn't begin the quell before u slide really
thats why i said you can't do this for sprint slide
if you quell while sprinting you can't sprint slide quell
paper lily
yeah u gotta do whatever makes u move fast first
untold niche
no as in
You literally can't quell before sprint sliding if you want to sprint slide and then quell
paper lily
yeah that's what i mean
why would u quell beforehand
u do anything that makes u move fast first, then slide into quelling
untold niche
why would u quell beforehand
if its a dodge slide then you could do it, and sometime it make sense to do it to dodge gunner fire while quelling
And i don't think you get reduced speed from the dodge slide if you quell then dodge slide
paper lily
u can only increase dodge slide speed by jumping off of shit
coral kindle
Whoever was Magic Hobo I tried to reconnect to the game but got errored out
untold niche
Whoever was Magic Hobo I tried to reconnect to the game but got errored out
most pubbers aren't in the discord
paper lily
like this is how i go about it anyway
coral kindle
most pubbers aren't in the discord
I hope they are
paper lily
nah they're really not
most people have the most asinine builds
lacerate on knife etc
if they were here and read anything at all they would have much better builds
untold niche
like this is how i go about it anyway
i have illisi so i just run with my staff xD
paper lily
ah staff movespeed is so slow
untold niche
it doens't feel that much different from illisi
plus don't hbave to wait for weapon switch
paper lily
weapon switch quell is 0 delay, they changed how that worked
untold niche
i mean if i used a ds4 for sure i would switch to ds4
paper lily
u can quell cancel a staff weapon draw as well which is a meme
untold niche
u can quell cancel a staff weapon draw as well which is a meme
sadly nothing in DT rewards / actually needs that
paper lily
i like to have some skill expression
untold niche
the "hardest" tech we have was the assail QQ switch
now its just quell cancel and quell slide. its shameful how its even considered "tech" 
untold niche
surge staff one?
paper lily
yep
untold niche
thats not that hard either, its just another form of qq swap
I coudl that if i rebound my keys (change 1->2 and 2->1) and i played surge
paper lily
it's a well timed cancel into a quell cancel weapon swap
i'd say it's pretty hard to do well
untold niche
on certain animation its hard,
immediatley its not hard ofc
cough cough my taunt b4 that i never could get
paper lily
wdym
untold niche
i could do immediate 2 frame link though, at least at 50% consistency after 1 month
formal hill
Your name is average player, you're either God awful, or really good, there's no in between
untold niche
paper lily
i'm really good at potemkin
paper lily
no
untold niche
:(
paper lily
i'm from sf so all of the kara cancels were natural to me
untold niche
nah the guide was more for gameplan
paper lily
kill the enemy
untold niche
Your name is average player, you're either God awful, or really good, there's no...
im average gamur
paper lily
game plan achieved
formal hill
Fake
paper lily
i'm a very patient player so pot works for me
formal hill
It's like seeing someone who's named the "Nword" or Pooppoop3
They're either a god or terrible
untold niche
Fake
all the regulars in this discord better than me
but i could beat pubs most of the time
(for this game)
So im really average.
The only game i was decent at was r6 siege when i hit plat3/4 when the highest rank was "Diamond" (season 2 i think?)
paper lily
haven't played ggst in a bit though, what with sf6, been tutoring others to get better
i've been pro or pro competitive in basically every game i've played
untold niche
haven't played ggst in a bit though, what with sf6, been tutoring others to get ...
i gave up tekken because uh
it felt very unfair, and plus the knowledge checks ;-;
untold niche
i've been pro or pro competitive in basically every game i've played
thats so cool
paper lily
tekken is disinteresting to me precisely because of that reason
untold niche
i gave up tekken because uh
it felt very unfair, and plus the knowledge checks ...
it felt unfair because i was playing bryan
i think high level tekken is interesting.
paper lily
just a warning i don't know much about specific tekken stuff
like i know memes like rolling death cradle
but i've never played it, and to me it's just so fucking slow
lyric burrow
yeah ive heard tekken has like 700 hours of knowledge checks from my friends who played it
paper lily
i remember building a hitbox for my tekken enthusiast buddy and showing him how to kbd
lyric burrow
i never got into it
untold niche
tekken is interesting because you could have multiple RPS at once
You could do the df1 meta game against high level players
paper lily
he was so happy how much easier it was
lyric burrow
yeah boxes are great
untold niche
at their core they're rps
it feels like most of the time you only really have 1 rps
paper lily
some games have layered rps which are usually handled by option selects
i learned most of my shit in sf4
untold niche
it feels like most of the time you only really have 1 rps
unless its something super situational\
lyric burrow
id say most games have more than 1 RPS although some matchups can revolve around the 1 RPS sometimes because the situation/move is really strong or w/e
untold niche
tekken with just a simple universal punch you could playu mind games
i found that really cool
when i played strive it was more of one main rps per character
lyric burrow
so a ton of the opponents gameplan is just trying to force w/e strong situation
its been a while since i got really into a fighting game honestly
paper lily
strive is usually just mental overload tbf
it's really fast
sf6 is kinda teetering towards this with drive meter as well
lyric burrow
strive is fast and your scared of getting hit cause you take half or more health
paper lily
mental stack is really high
untold niche
like potemkin RPS is mainly c.S or meaty Garuda/c.S
Which are super similar and i feel its just 1 rps
lyric burrow
yeah ive heard SF6 is getting a bit crazy
paper lily
the interesting part of those mu's is potemkin reaching that rps situation
his reward for achieving some form of oki is that strong rps
untold niche
yeah your neutral game is different for sure, but my point is main RPS theres only one
paper lily
like meaty c.s loses to backdash
untold niche
at least that how it appears, im a nub player
untold niche
but thats more of neutral no
lyric burrow
if an opponent is generally trying to force one thing but how they have to go about forcing the one thing is interesting i dont mind
if its so strong they can just abuse it i like it less but some characters are just designed that way
paper lily
all characters in fighting games have a sort of ace card they're aiming towards
dusky crag
yo we talking fighting games
untold niche
yeah i'm an enthusiast
have... have you played nioh 2 :3
paper lily
i have not
lyric burrow
thats not a fighting game 🤨
paper lily
i hate souls games for the same reason i hate tekken
untold niche
i hate souls games for the same reason i hate tekken
wai
paper lily
which is ironic considering i like roguelikes a lot
untold niche
i mean what aspect of souls exactly
paper lily
but roguelikes involve more preparation than just beating ur face against a brick wall
formal hill
Not with enough fortitude
paper lily
it's the same as tekken, just memorizing shit for knowledge checks basically
untold niche
it's the same as tekken, just memorizing shit for knowledge checks basically
OH NO NO NO
Nioh 2 is not only about that
theres some really cool tech
that you need to plink for and need to know when to use
then it make you look super cool
untold niche
ye ye
lyric burrow
souls feels bit less knowledge checky to me but i will admit you are just slamming your face into the wall of the boss whether you are just trying to beat the boss or fully learn it
ninja gaiden black was good
if you hated yourself enough
untold niche
DMC5 and Nioh 2 goated action games
lyric burrow
i couldnt get into 2 though
paper lily
i'm a fucking boomer so
lyric burrow
i did enjoy black
lyric burrow
i beat it on master ninja even although i still feel like im ass
paper lily
yea i mean there's always ways to cheese shit
it was a good game, especially considering the time
i was like almost 20 when black came out so i was already transitioning from console gaming
untold niche
it's just boring
nioh 2 the knowledge check just abit and not that bad ( im lying :v but it feels easy to me)
The cool thing is like its not as black and white as souls i feel
Souls you dodge, then you wait
Nioh2 you dodge, you can atttack, so you need to know exactly how long you can attack for, and if you do burst damage you might something like guard break them and you get to attack more
lyric burrow
yeah the game is very cool, i think the combat is still p unique
paper lily
to me it's kinda the original soulslike but with like not dogshit controls
lyric burrow
my main issue is i find a good amount of enemies/bosses to just be outright annoying to fight
paper lily
i hate the weapon windups and shit, but i understand the realism aspect
it just doesn't appeal to me
lyric burrow
esp in 2
paper lily
tbf that's another reason i dislike tekken
every move being like some 25f committal attack
untold niche
my main issue is i find a good amount of enemies/bosses to just be outright anno...
usually when i find something annoying i just focus on learning dodge timings
without trying to attack then it gets easy
lyric burrow
you have all the tools to deal with it but then its like fight 70 ogres or w/e and im all set
lyric burrow
usually when i find something annoying i just focus on learning dodge timings
wi...
i moreso mean ninja gaiden in particular 2 will just throw 85 rocket guys at you in the back of the arena and its honestly not even fun to learn the counterplay to
it exists
but could they really not come up with something better than rocket guy but more rockets
1 is much better about it imo
untold niche
usually when i find something annoying i just focus on learning dodge timings
wi...
else for the early boss like the whats that animal name, ferret?
ferret boss, just need to know you can dodge left then if you keep attacking his attack won't hit you.
Maybe i found it more enjoyable because i kept asking for advice
lyric burrow
bosses are still kinda weak but the combat is fun
untold niche
else for the early boss like the whats that animal name, ferret?
ferret boss, ju...
oh ya im talking about nioh 2
i defo asked alot of shit when i was starting to play nioh2
paper lily
yeah u just feel like ur in control of the game in ngblack
a huge improvement over souls games
it's not like it compromises difficulty, either
lyric burrow
i admittedly prefer souls but im so practiced in them im biased af
untold niche
light do you play DMC5?
alot of people like, personally icouldn't get into it because i can't get the camera (same as MHW)
paper lily
which one is 5
lyric burrow
ninja gaiden black def lets you control a lot of situations cause you have so many moves and whatnot
untold niche
the one with three brothers and the chair
lyric burrow
and i frame options that also let you move
not that you are ever standing still anyway
paper lily
nah that's way after my time
untold niche
lyric burrow
damn not 3
untold niche
i heard its one of the best, defo give it a try if you like DMC
lyric burrow
rare to see
paper lily
u gotta remember i'm old as fuck so i was growing out of console before a lot of others
lyric burrow
i need to play the DMC games at some point
untold niche
but you don't get to play dante until later i think
paper lily
i think 4 was the dude with the hand
paper lily
the last dmc style game i played was probably bayonetta
untold niche
light so usually you just play fg?
paper lily
that game slapped
lyric burrow
i do plan on trying soulslikes at some point i am just in the never ending loop of doing more elden ring challenge runs
paper lily
i'm been highly competitive in rts, fps, fgc
untold niche
i have it but haven't touched it
untold niche
you typerd fps twice xD
untold niche
wait are you one of those that just innately good at games or do you also choose a life where you can play games for 4-8 hours a day
paper lily
my profession ended up intertwined with games, but i've always been exceptional at them either way
untold niche
huh what do you do?
paper lily
gonna just leave that up to interpretation
untold niche
ooo
lyric burrow
you see people tell me im good at games and then i hear shit like that and thats why i dont agree im that good lol
i mostly have just put a shitton of time into select few games
paper lily
ur probably good at what you play
there is innate talent and hardwork/determination talent
i actually envy those capable of just hard work
untold niche
i actually envy those capable of just hard work
i would say it comes naturally if you really link something
Im actually not that technical or smart but i got into one of the best universities in my region
lyric burrow
yeah the games ive put 2k/1k hours in im good at (unless your expecting me to be top 1 or something) other than siege
siege never clicked
even after 1k hours
paper lily
i can't do school, always felt like a waste of time
ornate hamlet
ive always been hardware limited, inately decent at games, though being good only goes far when playing a slide show
paper lily
ur not wrong
untold niche
siege never clicked
simple
siege skill floor is knowledge check of (cheese) strats
The real game comes after what happens after, when you need to improv.
lyric burrow
school i enjoy when i have the motivation for it
untold niche
i would say it comes naturally if you really link something
Im actually not that...
like*
lyric burrow
i just gave up on siege to be honest is became about as fun as slamming my head into a desk
untold niche
i just cba with forced subjects etc
yeah same
thats why i only popped off after what seems to be the western equivalent of college.
untold niche
after entering university tho, everythign took a nose dive
lyric burrow
might go back to smash at some point(dont kill me lightbringer)
paper lily
i have some good friends in smash
lyric burrow
melee or ult
paper lily
melee
lyric burrow
makes sense
paper lily
hbox used to come over every other week and play board games
u think he pops off only in melee? 
untold niche
i just gave up on siege to be honest is became about as fun as slamming my head ...
yeah the skill floor is just you getting rekt by cheese strats and not knowing why / how to counter
lyric burrow
i can def picture him popping off for most things
was this back when everyone hated him or when he was more popular
paper lily
uhh
i'm not a smash guy, we were friends through like other fighting game communities but it would have been probably when people hated him for like
being good
imagine, pathetic
paper lily
def before covid
lyric burrow
i do kinda wish i got into melee
i like ult but melee has so much to it
(and ults meta is ass atm)
lyric burrow
yeah
it is like 1k hours to learn how to move properly
at least they have proper tools to learn stuff now
before people just have to figure shit out
untold niche
i have no idea who he is but googling him and reading off redddit it seems that people don't like him because he is unfriendly? and somewhat rude?
paper lily
i learned how to waveshine by myself and said yeah fuck this game not getting carpal tunnel
nah they don't like him cuz he plays jigglypuff
lyric burrow
yeah
paper lily
he's actually such a nice person irl
lyric burrow
he didnt follow what melee was to a lot of people
untold niche
Some of the main stories include refusal to sign things or take pictures, not exactly converse with fans or other people much, or sometimes won’t play friendlies with other people, namely top players. Basically people classify him as a “toxic person” based on his irl behavior at tournaments. He and Crunch are aware of this, and even stated publicly that not only does he regret some of the decisions he’s made, but he’s still working to improve his attitude from others perception.
seems like even he admitted it
paper lily
idk, not my personal experience with the dude
lyric burrow
people also really like to ask for that stuff right after somebody loses a set
paper lily
but it wasn't in a smash setting
untold niche
again im not arguing, im just saying this because i just find it interesting, i have no concern if he is a nice dude or asshole.
paper lily
u have to keep in mind he was harrassed in live tournaments
lyric burrow
yeah
paper lily
crab incident
lyric burrow
this dude was liked by NOBODY
paper lily
so it was probably pushback from that
lyric burrow
the other players dogpiled him even
the only reason he played was because he had passion and nothing else
he dropped school for it
paper lily
nah he didn't, iirc he graduated and worked at a paper mill for like a year
lyric burrow
and he needed the money
paper lily
he did drop his career tho
lyric burrow
oh was that it
paper lily
yeah i remember him talking about how he kinda didn't wanna retire
untold niche
i was contemplating concentrating / going pro for siege, cringe at it may be :v
paper lily
and i just told him it's not like melee is really going anywhere and you're already a bit of a personality
siege is growing so if you're good give it a try
untold niche
nah im way past it
untold niche
the was* was in year 1of siege
paper lily
yea i mean he 'retired' to go work as a logistics operator for that mill industry
lyric burrow
early years of siege were fucking great
paper lily
then was like fuck this and went back
untold niche
idk, i sort of want to know what life will have turned out,
But even though stuff is painful now i feel i would have become a really boring guy
untold niche
(stuff is painful now not because im not a pro lol, for different reasons)
lyric burrow
i didnt even go "pro" in smash, i got ranked in my state but that was the best i got
and yeah it do be stressful
becomes a job
i was driving and hour and half one way for the tournaments too
so i wasnt even really making money off them
untold niche
goddam wadahel
lyric burrow
even when i placed
thorn cedar
ask any of the pros who stream, they make more streaming than any tourney pays, and the tourneys also make more money from them streaming just because of name recognition lol
paper lily
gl getting that gas money back from smash tournaments
lyric burrow
yeah i wasnt playing for money
paper lily
ur big money is gonna be sponsors basically
lyric burrow
1st would have gotten me the gas and dinner p much
paper lily
yeah, it's for the competition
untold niche
ask any of the pros who stream, they make more streaming than any tourney pays, ...
i heard even like league the prize money doesn't even matter
The money comes from the title of winning in the sense if you have the title advertisers will go to you LOL
thorn cedar
I miss kixstar tbh thats about it
paper lily
all those players in league are just making salaries anyway cuz of how that system works iirc
lyric burrow
and got frustrated
paper lily
most of the orgs just take the money
lyric burrow
yeah rip kix
paper lily
idk who kixstar is
lyric burrow
he was a big siege streamer/commenator
thorn cedar
pretty much carried pro league on his back
lyric burrow
died in a car crash or something very suddenly
untold niche
I miss kixstar tbh thats about it
thats serenity17's "teacher" iirc
kix became a commentator right
serenity was a OG siege tuber, taught me how to play the game
paper lily
ah fuck that sucks
starcraft had a similar personality, if you guys are old enough to remember that esport era
incontrol
thorn cedar
was like 25 iirc
untold niche
starcraft had a similar personality, if you guys are old enough to remember that...
i did grow up watching my cousins play starcraft
but i born after SC yes
paper lily
yeah you would have been like 8
untold niche
wait no
upper sun
i did grow up _watching_ my cousins play starcraft
but i born after SC yes
Im gonna trigger a hidden memory rn
paper lily
incontrol was a bodybuilder who iirc died of a stroke after playing or something, but he was known as a commentator
untold niche
brood war too right
upper sun
untold niche
only sc3 was 20xx
paper lily
in this case i'm talkin about sc2, which sorta reinvigorated the esports scene
outside of kr
lyric burrow
i do wish i had gotten into esports stuff earlier but it is what it is
untold niche
sc2 was also 19xx right?
paper lily
nah
untold niche
2002?
upper sun
wait starcraft 2 is free now right?
untold niche
i think sc3 is too
unless there is no sc3 and im going bonkers
paper lily
there is no sc3
upper sun
the single player in wings was nice
blissful dirge
So I just got Lucky Blow (Crit 7500 enemies under crit aura) in a single mission. That has to be a bug right?
untold niche
is that correct
paper lily
scbw is just an expansion packl
oh wait they don't do those anymore
i could see why you would think that is a '2'
hahaha
upper sun
So I just got Lucky Blow (Crit 7500 enemies under crit aura) in a single mission...
nope maybe you had a blazing piety zealot they crit a lot
or a vet with deadshot
paper lily
u could just have a dude rolling with accatran
upper sun
wait are you THE silverhand?
untold niche
i could see why you would think that is a '2'
i went to google and no sc3 of course but idk why my brain just had the idea there was a sc3
blissful dirge
It might've been a deadshot vet. we did have a accatran vet on the team. But like...1 mission?
upper sun
HES THE SILVERHAND OMG UR IN A GIF
blissful dirge
ah no thats not my psyker lmao
paper lily
accatran vet is 100% gonna do that penance for sure in 1 game
upper sun
WOW UR FAMOUS
paper lily
esp if they run the cleave one
lyric burrow
most accatran vets never stop firing ye
and everyone else is doing stuff
a lot of psyker stuff crits a lot too
blissful dirge
I was about to attempt to prove that wasnt me by screenshotting my roster but then I realised you can change names now. You'll just have to believe me? or dont. your call
untold niche
a lot of psyker stuff crits a lot too
void shoot once then 20 zombies die
lyric burrow
void upsets me more than it should
untold niche
void shoot once then 20 zombies die
idk the actual value but im prettyu sure thats an exaggerated amount
paper lily
i just don't like void
blissful dirge
I was using a VS staff for that mission
untold niche
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEA2prf_x48
sound exactly like a 2008 techno song
just kinda nostalgic
blissful dirge
but it doesn't have the crit blessing and I didnt have any crit outside the aura
paper lily
in reality crit trauma would probably do best at finishing that penance
untold niche
but it doesn't have the crit blessing and I didnt have any crit outside the aura
no true aim?
blissful dirge
no true aim?
probably not? i just threw the build together for the pennance
untold niche
probably not? i just threw the build together for the pennance
iff you had true aim you would crit around 20% of the time
dusk void
Anyone in this chat trying to do the stupid zealot penance backstabbing elites/specials with stealth?
lyric burrow
ive gotten it if thats what your asking
paper lily
i've done the backstabbing one already
lyric burrow
i did it with a rashaad to get it over with
paper lily
only functional fucking way to run that weapon
paper lily
i think mk3 is just worse in every way
untold niche
backstab X amount of elite in 1 game?
wat actual penance
lyric burrow
i should note i mainly run knife on psyker
untold niche
paper lily
ah well ur not really meleeing then
lyric burrow
so i dont even need mk6 hevies for hordes or w/e cause i just have assail
knife is just for the bosses and specials
/elites
paper lily
i played the meme zealot with mk6 with haymaker, actually could kill pretty much everything
crushers i just boltered
dusk void
backstab X amount of elite in 1 game?
Yes, but it’s not from one game. It totals out
untold niche
Yes, but it’s not from one game. It totals out
ahhh
lyric burrow
ive never tried haymaker just uncanny/precog or riposte
untold niche
crushers i just boltered
i really dislike bolter
like even with chastise at most you kill three crushers with one clip
paper lily
legit nothing i hate more than not being able to kill horde
watching a psyker who peril'd themselves get slapped
and i'm sitting here with a knife doing fuckall for 25 seconds
i run stealth only on zealot, i'll just kite crushers till they die
untold niche
watching a psyker who peril'd themselves get slapped
in my recent game after a psyker blew up i just typed " ik lol"
lyric burrow
yeah thats the main reason i like it on psyker assail covers its weaknesses really wel
wheras on zealot your taking flesh tearer or flamer or w/e
dusk void
I hate playing knife zealot with stealth, tbh. I feel like an asshole for leaving my team to kill heretics for that stupid penance
lyric burrow
or just accepting
untold niche
I hate playing knife zealot with stealth, tbh. I feel like an asshole for leavin...
could play malice
or does the penance
paper lily
with loner you're not a detriment, as long as you're proactively killing ranged shit before it gets into cover
untold niche
restrict you to damn only
paper lily
just make sure you take loner, or you are actually griefing
lyric burrow
or get trappered
dusk void
just make sure you take loner, or you are actually griefing
I have loner. I’m also testing my momentum build for the zealot. My character goes zoom zoom 🏎️
potent echo
vet knife actually better than zealot knife
untold niche
the mommentum nerf really affected my loner mommentum build
plucky flax
paper lily
didn't like vet knife
potent echo
i played zealot knife and was so confused all my breakpoints
gone
no 15% elite
no 30% weakpoint
paper lily
i just slap shit with heavies until it dies
lyric burrow
zealot uses it well due to like 80% crit chance
potent echo
no 20% ogryns/bosses
paper lily
haymaker randomly killing multiple ragers or whatever
potent echo
i guess but i took momentum
plucky flax
Vet knife is so slow
potent echo
maybe the answer is no momentum
untold niche
i thought knifoe always piety
lyric burrow
i do feel the lack of attack speed on not zealot with knife
potent echo
weapon spec vet go faster
dusk void
maybe the answer is no momentum
No momentum, but more critical damage? Like a crit build?
untold niche
WHY THEY NERF THE DURATION!!!!
lyric burrow
knife is weighted very heavily into crits
paper lily
i legit just ignored all breakpoints
potent echo
cause you dont deserve it
potent echo
knife no bps is deepthroatshrek
untold niche
cause you dont deserve it
I NEED THE OLD DURATION
NOW 10 STACK NOT EVEN CONSISTENT WTF
paper lily
nah haymaker just made it insanely good
potent echo
ew
paper lily
which i was like wtf
untold niche
i think FS should nerf knife and not mommentum
potent echo
if i cant kill crushers with 2/3 push attacks am i even using knife
paper lily
i ended up not using uncanny on it either
plucky flax
Lacerate uncanny my favourite zealot knife combo
potent echo
yea no point taking uncanny