psyker-class

[supple dock]

that's horrifying

[lethal lagoon]

People die just regular swimming a lot

So nah

[supple dock]

I mean true but like.. idk

blunt force trauma to the body/face

[lethal lagoon]

I was a lifeguard for 2 years, mostly I just flirt with MILFs and yelled at kids for running.

[supple dock]

[cinder moon]

thou art impressive, ogryn

[lethal lagoon]

Also during like a fun day for kids, I broke like 3 different lifeguard buoy thingies dragging kids on them across the pool

[cinder moon]

this? how a professional does it

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think that pool any ever had serious issues, except by the pool

slide*

The slide made people lose IQ points

[mental grail]

[lethal lagoon]

During times the pool was closed, but we were all there, we'd block several of the water pumping things on the slide, and like back it up

And then unleash it all at once
It was crazy dangerous. One of the girls almost flew off the slide. This thing is like 3 stories high btw.

[supple dock]

I forget which football player it was but when they scanned his head his brain looked like an 80 year old alzheimer's patient. you reminded me of that

[lethal lagoon]

Einstein had the brain of a 20s year old at death

That was a good summer job.

[lethal lagoon]

[cinder moon]

this heretic felt pretty, oh so pretty

[supple dock]

so pretty, and witty, and gaaaaayyy

[lethal lagoon]

What a classic movie

[cinder moon]

and i pity any heretic i meet today

i wanna hear 4 zealots break out into barbershop

like it's music man

[supple dock]

Wouldn't their music just be murder

[lethal lagoon]

Ribs make an excellent xylophone

[cinder moon]

not necessarily

[supple dock]

no, i don't think i will

[plucky flax]

That's beautiful.

[supple dock]

https://tenor.com/bka0W.gif

[cinder moon]

it's the only time i ever heard that line, also the last time i think i ever saw someone with that personality

[lethal lagoon]

[mental grail]

Bro apparently they use to sell bundles like this

what happened

[supple dock]

lmao

[lethal lagoon]

This top was a part of a 900 cost set with pants. It then got resold as a 2400 set with a generic helmet

[plucky flax]

Yes. FartShart happened.

[mental grail]

300 hundred Aquinas for a weapon skin, modern fatshark would sell you a hunk of moldy shit for 900 aquilas abs call it a sale

[plucky flax]

Up the price for less why not?

[lethal lagoon]

That hat was sold for 800-900 and then resold a few weeks later for 1400

[cinder moon]

still waiting for psyker pegleg from the first shop rotation to make a return

[quartz barn]

Honestly the camos are kinda meh, and nowadays you get actual skins rather than a shader

[mental grail]

I'm waiting for this simple bundle to come back

[lethal lagoon]

I'm pretty sure that coat is bugged

[mental grail]

I simply want the coat fat shark please

[supple dock]

i got the best skin in the game already

mortis operandi

[quartz barn]

Wouldve been nice if you could buy more than 2 camos with dockets however

[lethal lagoon]

It causes a graphical glitch with dueling sword

[mental grail]

Luckily I mostly only use force swords

[supple dock]

not knife users

c r i n g e

[lethal lagoon]

I mean I haven't used a force sword and that coat before, it might bug with that too

[mental grail]

you have that coat?

[lethal lagoon]

yea

[mental grail]

lucky fucker

[cinder moon]

FS: for dockets you get "dried blood red" and "robin's egg blue camo"

[supple dock]

The old skin I have is the red armor that has a face mask with spikes on it

[mental grail]

I'd trade the leather coat for the bugged cloak in an instant

[lethal lagoon]

[quartz barn]

But where are all the other camos tho...

[lethal lagoon]

To be clear, the bug takes up like half the screen when you dodge slide

It's annoying as fuck

[mental grail]

bro I need brocade gold in my life

[quartz barn]

Ill nevee understand locking 90% of cosmethics behind a weekly fomo store only to never sell them again

[mental grail]

fatshart logic

[cinder moon]

it's ok, fatshark doesn't understand monetization either

[supple dock]

it's like japanese eras

your skin will tell you what era you're from

[quartz barn]

I just use weapon custom so people cant even see what im using

[cinder moon]

i fought this battle with ubisoft in rider's republic, it's only like 3 years after release that they're even considering changing away from the fomo rotation

i told them repeatedly through beta and early access posts/surveys that the fomo store was going to work against them

playerbase cratered after like 2 months

[lethal lagoon]

I mixed up coats, it might be fine

These sleeves cause problems

[mental grail]

Like, both the peg leg and the coat are nice as hell, but they just never sell it.

[cinder moon]

pegleg literally sold once and never came back

would go so good with the feather hat and brown leather short coat

[lethal lagoon]

I will never use any other pants

[mental grail]

typical fatshark honestly, creating a visually distinct cosmetic and selling it exactly once

[cinder moon]

i've been sitting on my aquilas for over half a year waiting for it to return

[lethal lagoon]

I do have the green version of that jacket, the red one looks better though

[cinder moon]

joke's on FS

[lethal lagoon]

Don't worry, they'll bring back the set for 5k

Or maybe 7001

[mental grail]

bro I would take the green gladly at this point I just don't want to look broke anymore

I look homeless

no gold, no brocade, no drip

not in my bag, suffering

[cinder moon]

the new penance gear is pretty drippy tho

[supple dock]

this is the stature of a man who is bitchless

[mental grail]

you could say that

[cinder moon]

oh hey, it's me again

[mental grail]

Stop being drippy and I'll stop posting you

[supple dock]

I can't use any of this base armor

My psyker is almost minimum height and it makes me look like an active tank

[cinder moon]

my psyker is min height lol

[supple dock]

it makes you so WIDE

I was minimum height when I made my character and omg

I was wearing that armor and 2 dudes just rolled up on me

"Dude you're so wide. HEY LOOK. LOOK AT HIM HES SO WIDE"

[lethal lagoon]

Omg girl you would not believe it.

[cinder moon]

luckily the new stuff isn't nearly as bulky as the OG penance gear

[supple dock]

Other guy: "WHY ARE YOU SO WIIIIIDE"

[lethal lagoon]

[mental grail]

When I collect all the pieces it will be like placing all the infinity stones

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

I have those pants and hood

[supple dock]

omg gurrrrrl

[mental grail]

drip will be done

[cinder moon]

i make the preorder gear look good

[mental grail]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-gif-22510274

[supple dock]

why do you look like ItsAGundam

[cinder moon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-what-that-means-i-have-no-clue-what-youre-talking-about-clueless-huh-what-gif-17107312

[mental grail]

be glad

[supple dock]

true

[cinder moon]

wish there were some blue gear that matched this helmet better

the moebian 21st stuff makes me look like i'm wearing my dad's clothes

[mental grail]

I'm committing harakiri.

I've seen people hate the carmine red and gold look but personally I love it

[lethal lagoon]

Low key I think this is my new drip, just gotta change tattoo

Thanks

[cinder moon]

magikarp shroud

[mental grail]

Any shroud is better than no shroud

[cinder moon]

it do look pretty good tho

the whole set, that is

[mental grail]

When did they last sell this set? I remember only the helmet being sold?

[lethal lagoon]

I think that fell off like the last 2-3 times

As in it was in the store 2-3 costume changes ago, last slot

[quartz barn]

They usually sell the helm on its own as filler

But that helm also has atleast 3 variants...

[cinder moon]

i'd totally go for a psycho mantis look if there were appropriate chest and pants

[quartz barn]

Gold, grey, dark with red eyes

[cinder moon]

be like "SOOOO...you like to play CASTLEVANIA" to the heretics

[quartz barn]

Pretty shitty, they changed the look of the gold one when the grey variant got released

And then they made the dark with red eyes one, which is the only one that has the altered voicelines

[untold niche]

you look like a random guy in the mall trying VR for the first time

[untold niche]

i would say change out the pants

the whole thing being bright red and gold makes it look like a cosplayer

[lethal lagoon]

Cosplayers can get millions of followers

that makes them right and smart

[untold niche]

do you want to bne a crinj cosplayer?

[lethal lagoon]

I would literally want nothing else

[untold niche]

my psyker

[lethal lagoon]

It looks like you were forced by your mom to wear a nice sweater over your usual clothes

[mental grail]

I feel like I'm being vicariously bullied

[untold niche]

i don't agree :v

[mental grail]

keep up the drip though

[untold niche]

i wish the red veil came in a darker colour

such a noob haven't even hit 100 yet

[mental grail]

unfortunately there remains zero drip in the shop

[untold niche]

only nice one is the new ogryn white one
ngl ogryn have the most consistent drip

[lethal lagoon]

I agree

[mental grail]

tbf witchsight is just vr with a fancy name

[untold niche]

i never thought of that.

time to play this game at 30fps

[untold niche]

until next thursday

[lethal lagoon]

I love the santa hat

[untold niche]

look like action movie main character, but after he retires and is forced to come back so he is fatr

a lil too fat

[lethal lagoon]

Just enough fat

[untold niche]

6.8/10

belly to big to warrant a 7

[lethal lagoon]

Would you sit on his lap though and tell him your wishes?

[untold niche]

no thats gay

[lethal lagoon]

So you view Ogryn in a sexual way?

How about you take a seat over here

[supple dock]

Not the first time I've heard this

[untold niche]

no its gay to sit on another man's lap

[restive ice]

time to check psy-

[supple dock]

teratophilia is a thing

[mental grail]

it's just meh

[untold niche]

i really like the incense holder in this shirt

[mental grail]

I like ollograph better

[lethal lagoon]

I have the white version of that chest, it's nice cause you can see your arms in first person without having to be a prisoner

[untold niche]

i feel both sets look too generic

for like 15 dollars FS be pumping out generic as fuck sets

[mental grail]

both are 2400

[untold niche]

how much is that in money

[mental grail]

overpriced but not the Elysian skins

[lethal lagoon]

7k is 29.99 right?

[untold niche]

thats if you buy 7k outright

[mental grail]

like $12.14 or something

[untold niche]

even overwatch skins are nicer

[mental grail]

fr

[lethal lagoon]

I mean if this was an actual live service, this wouldn't be a big deal

[untold niche]

let me edit my message.

[lethal lagoon]

But we get so few updates

[untold niche]

( i won't)

[mental grail]

fatshark pathologically refuses to cook

[plucky flax]

Unforced error.

[lethal lagoon]

if you run smite bubble are you more selfish in war or selfless in war

[plucky flax]

You are guaranteed to carry your team.

[supple dock]

I play support. It's my team who can't deal damage.

[plucky flax]

Shield from shooters and stun all melees.

How can we lose?!

[mental grail]

I gotta get my smite penance

who has a build

[lethal lagoon]

It's not like enemies aren't a real threat and the real problem is doing enough DPS

[lethal lagoon]

Surge staff

[supple dock]

wait are the smite nodes taken here

[lethal lagoon]

Get Ep stack, EP smite till 85%, yell loudly, keep smiting

[supple dock]

THEY LOOK BRIGHT

[mental grail]

thank you sibling

[lethal lagoon]

For movement while smiting, dodge slide but angle it forward, that's about the only real skill involved

[plucky flax]

Where bubble?

[supple dock]

oh and learning when to bail when your smite doesn't hook onto the burster

[lethal lagoon]

Too much thinking, denined

I've also never had that happen in a way thats a risk to me personally

If you catch my downstream drift

[supple dock]

i don't

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

and it happens to me often

not like ALL the time but like

often enough that it's a thing that will annoy me

[lethal lagoon]

Just like open your mouth and express your displeasure

You know what, for the first time ever, ima run bubble smite

I need the stupid bubble penance anyways

[plucky flax]

I did bubble and ep elites kills+smite penances at the same time using it.

XD

Bubble smite.

Very comfy.

Pray your team can kill stuff.

[supple dock]

I forget, is mk 3 knife the single target one?

[lethal lagoon]

[mental grail]

Fuck

Hadron might have fucked me

Salvageable?

[lethal lagoon]

You can make it into an EP smite staff

Barrage to flurry, crit to unyielding.

But then it's not that great outside of EP smite

TBF 45% warp res and 60% quell spd kind of brick it for a Surge focused build anyways

[mental grail]

[lethal lagoon]

Keep in mind a "EP Smite Surge Staff" is my own idea though

Carpace Unyielding cover the gaps for EP smite+ creeping flames

[rigid sky]

Yes

[plucky flax]

On ep smite spam build I like a melee and range that can damage monster and deal with crushers.

So deimos and surge for me.

You should be using smite for 99% of the run anyway.

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, the anti-boss/crusher is for when your team is straight dookie

💩

[supple dock]

surge vs bulwark

you run out of peril before you kill it every time

[lethal lagoon]

Bulwarks vs PC

[plucky flax]

No you should smite bulwark.

[lethal lagoon]

And smite opens up their vurnerable and tender bellys

[supple dock]

yeee

[plucky flax]

Yeah smite them and teammates can whack them.

[lethal lagoon]

😋

[supple dock]

I do!

But sometimes there's just a bulwark

[lethal lagoon]

Just kite it into your team

It's amusing

[supple dock]

WHY I CAN JUST SHOCK IT

BZZT

[lethal lagoon]

No shock only kite

[supple dock]

⚡ BZZZT⚡

[untold niche]

Somehow i always do better than pubbers with ASS

[supple dock]

ASS isn't hard to acquire

unfortunately

[pine shore]

Which weapons would you use for a gunpsyker other than dueling swords

[plucky flax]

Knife.

Illisi could work too if you lack horde clear.

[spice veldt]

chainsword as a non-peril option

[safe crystal]

Chord

[supple dock]

why chainsword when DS4 exists

[spice veldt]

cuz they serve fairly different roles

[pine shore]

I just said I'm tired of using DS

columnus seems to be the top choice for a gun

[spice veldt]

chainsword is one of the best non-carapace/unyielding melees

[pine shore]

And I love it, but damn I use DS4 on every build, I want something else

[supple dock]

yee, is big, and I'd still recommend catachan over chainsword cause parry is awesome

[spice veldt]

i'd recommend chainsword for pure horde dps

[plucky flax]

Mk12 chainsword?

Or 13 Idunno the number.

[spice veldt]

i like the mk4 on zealot but maybe the mk13 is better on psyker cuz of the lightspam horde combo

[rigid sky]

4 is more versatile generally

it's one of the fastest horde clear weapons already

13g is slightly faster still but sacrifices a lot of single target

but that said psyker obviously gets a bunch of crazy variable modifiers on top of that

so idk how they affect the two

[mental grail]

bro I hate ass chasers in my lobbies

[rigid sky]

Get it organically or don't get it at all

the leaving problem is so much worse since that was implemented

[plucky flax]

I hate joining game in progress.

I want to play a full map.

[rigid sky]

and you just know that now that people are using it, that habit isn't gonna go away once they've got their ASS award

[plucky flax]

(Unless I join when they're 90% done then it's good )

[supple dock]

I limited myself to alt F4'ing if I was the last one down so I didn't ruin any games by just disappearing mid run

[rigid sky]

At least leave with the menu rather than alt+f4 btw

[supple dock]

You get a bit of time before it counts as game over

[rigid sky]

if you leave with the menu they can get a reinforcement

[spice veldt]

i like joining in-progress just so that i don't have to walk through the starting area

[rigid sky]

oh, as the actual last

[supple dock]

ye

[rigid sky]

eh, still leave via menu

if the bot ends up saving them

[supple dock]

true

but I only had to do it twice so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spice veldt]

wish they had l4d2's system where players asynchronously loaded the map and could start it instead of having to have all players load it and then the match can start

[supple dock]

that would be nice actually

[spice veldt]

esp since players now spawn on other players when joining now

[lethal lagoon]

When potato causes a 5 minute loading screen

[supple dock]

i am a potato v.v

[lethal lagoon]

also, I've always enjoyed "loading" competitions

[supple dock]

"get fucked loser you're 2% behind"

[spice veldt]

detect SSD-less behavior

[lethal lagoon]

I love dating girls with SSD problems

[supple dock]

we had to figure out how to get emotions in text back in the day

NOT LIKE YOU'D KNOW

[lethal lagoon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[supple dock]

fuckin spoiled by emoticons

[lethal lagoon]

Also V.V definitely wasn't an emotion from "back in the day"

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[supple dock]

wtf do you mean

I was using it at like 10

[lethal lagoon]

That's relatively new

[supple dock]

I'm 32

[lethal lagoon]

Fuck

[supple dock]

LMAO

[lethal lagoon]

I dunno, my teen years were spent in the bodybuilding of 4chan

We didn't have V.V

only ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[supple dock]

that's a new emoticon actually

[lethal lagoon]

Is it?

[supple dock]

Like...12 or 13 years ago

was when it was made

[radiant frigate]

:v

[supple dock]

It came from the starcraft 2 scene I believe

[lethal lagoon]

30 - 13 = 17, I started bodybuilding 15-16, so sure

That's a fairly accurate measure

Text emote historian in the chat

[supple dock]

I'm just terminally online

[rigid sky]

You know what I miss?

This lil guy

¬_¬

[lethal lagoon]

I miss when I could 🙂

And not fucking auto complete

[supple dock]

i was more of a e.e guy

[rigid sky]

^_^ too

[supple dock]

^.^

[rigid sky]

-_-

[plucky flax]

._.

[rigid sky]

_>

[lethal lagoon]

Hey my snack says BB 10 2024, can I eat it?

[rigid sky]

|o| (this one is a tie fighter)

[supple dock]

Wiat wait wait I got a good one

(>^_(>O_o)>

[rigid sky]

(o (o (o (o o) o) o) o)

[lethal lagoon]

( . )( . )

[rigid sky]

fuck I'm old.

[lethal lagoon]

(x) V (x)
( . ) ( . )

[rigid sky]

sometimes I feel like I won't be alive to join the fight on Atoma for real

[supple dock]

I will be I'm gonna be a proto techpriest

[untold niche]

shit now im ASS (ngl i really wasn't trying for it)
30 fps means i can't dodge dogs and trapper ;-;

[lethal lagoon]

That's a classic

[untold niche]

look at the amount of my disabled

[lethal lagoon]

[untold niche]

im a disabled ass player

wait atlas

[supple dock]

i just have to look in a mirror tbh

[untold niche]

you play omega strikers?

[rigid sky]

Scissor me, daddy ass

[pine shore]

Which catachan sword is the good one?

[lethal lagoon]

I played it for like 2 weeks

I have no idea why I have the discord

On release

[untold niche]

it has no meaning when you out score everyone with that title.

[supple dock]

4

[untold niche]

i will be the first cool one to not use it

[supple dock]

Mk 1 is for single target

M4 4 is horde

so pick your poison

[untold niche]

unlike thjose people who use default skin because they think they are cooler that way but still die alot

[lethal lagoon]

Letting people quit out for ASS is pretty lame honestly

[untold niche]

I NEVER QUIT

I AM TRUE ASS

[lethal lagoon]

the only true ASS is the one you can smell

[supple dock]

I use the black outfit from the deluxe edition

[untold niche]

i use that for my vet

[supple dock]

I have no title selected and a friend of mine prefers to just use Reject

[pine shore]

I guess I'll get mk4 for gun psyker, columnus should be enough for killing everything else

[lethal lagoon]

I will never select a title to show that I am a new returning player

[lethal lagoon]

mk4 is reserved for dueling sword, sorry mate.

[supple dock]

im reserved for dueling sword

sheath it in me

[pine shore]

I've been only using mk4 ds ever since its buffs

I'm tired of seeing it

[lethal lagoon]

[radiant frigate]

harlot

[lethal lagoon]

But just think of how badly zealots want it

[radiant frigate]

or masochist

[lethal lagoon]

And they can't have it

[supple dock]

fatalist

[untold niche]

there is one ds with better mobility than ds4 but i forget which one

[supple dock]

5

[spice veldt]

ds5

[untold niche]

run that one if you don't want to meta

[spice veldt]

zealot with ds4 would be something behold

[radiant frigate]

would it?

[spice veldt]

yeah

[supple dock]

wait does ds5 have more speed than knife?

[spice veldt]

cuz they've got proper melee buffs

[untold niche]

sounjd like worse knife

[spice veldt]

and attack speed

[supple dock]

ds4 is disgusting lmao

[untold niche]

i mean on zealot.

[lethal lagoon]

ds5 just has more dodge slide spd than dagger, so if you don't run stamina it would be faster eventually

[untold niche]

knife at least lets you bleed

[radiant frigate]

hmmm.. martyr... duellist... charge...

[spice veldt]

knife should be similar in perfromance though on a crit build i think?

[radiant frigate]

that might be real spicy

[spice veldt]

not that i've run the numbers

[supple dock]

oh. but I do run stamina so get fucked ds5

[radiant frigate]

crit headshot for a bazillion

crushers on suicide watch

[spice veldt]

oh yeah and longer range than the knife

[pine shore]

It's still just ds. I have catachan melees, chain swords, force swords

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, I guess you do need more stamina

[pine shore]

DS are not the entire world, you know

[spice veldt]

cuz the combat blade does have a noticeably shorter range than most other melee

[supple dock]

I considered getting stamina on my knife

[lethal lagoon]

On your small dagger, yeah, that make sense

[supple dock]

my stamina bar looks like an LoL champion's health

[untold niche]

idk i thought you just didn't want to run something meta and provided a suggestion

[pine shore]

I always run +3 stamina on any psyker, so much value

[supple dock]

+9 is the only true way to be

[untold niche]

psyker doesn't even need curios chang my mind
(other than my x3 CDR perk)

[pine shore]

I don't want to run DS

[lethal lagoon]

The best bar

[supple dock]

get that atrocity out of there

It's still outshone by Ogryn's hp pool alone

[nocturne mural]

hey fellow psychos, just came back after a 6-7 months pause, random PUG auric went ok-ish, I feel I have the wrong staff (surge does not feel so bitey anymore). What is the consensus on staffs? all viable or is there anything markedly better right now?

[supple dock]

the man said psychos

[lethal lagoon]

Void, Blaze Trauma, Surge = S Tier
Purg, Rending Trauma = A+ Tier

[supple dock]

Yeah there's not a bad staff

[nocturne mural]

trauma is good?

[supple dock]

And surge is even more punchy than before, it deals massive single target damage now

[supple dock]

very

[nocturne mural]

never really used that before

[pine shore]

I played with surge a lot since I got a build recommended to me here

[untold niche]

anyone knows what is the "Untouchable" penance?

[nocturne mural]

holy fuck

[supple dock]

Probably because you tried it at level 11 with no blessings perks or talents to make it shine and dumped it

[untold niche]

surge not S tier

[pine shore]

My opinion about it is better now, but I still think it's the worst one out of 4 staff

[marble crater]

Trauma very weak, please buff

[pine shore]

Trauma is very strong

[untold niche]

i got it but i couldn't see what it is

[lethal lagoon]

Purg can't even beat EP smite + shriek most of the time

It's just left behind by the patch

[supple dock]

yeah, it's pretty tragic

I feel like creeping flames needs to be reworked or purg does

Cause it completely invalidates an entire staff

should not be happening

[spice veldt]

doesn't quite invalidate it

[supple dock]

you get what i mean though

[spice veldt]

but shriek is pretty strong

sure

i just really do not like the many people who meme on purg for no reason

[untold niche]

how to do the puzzle in thsi map?

[pine shore]

What's even the point of instant damage on shriek instead of fire

[supple dock]

it steps heavily into the same role for less commitment*

[lethal lagoon]

Pre buff, maybe, post buff....

[untold niche]

the candle thingy with the switch

[spice veldt]

you need two people for it

[pine shore]

It doesn't kill anything

[lethal lagoon]

Grey weapons EP smite Shriek is better than BiS Purg

[spice veldt]

one person has to hit switches to lower/raise the chandeliers

whilst another person is on the chandeliers jumping around

[lethal lagoon]

No one knows

[supple dock]

You know

[lethal lagoon]

I once made a force sword that let warp rupture 1 shot all mobs, still ass

[supple dock]

If it dealt 300 damage it'd be worth it

[lethal lagoon]

That's what happened

Still ass

[pine shore]

It might be possible to make it deal 300 damage, you need to get 50% damage

[untold niche]

JUMP AROUND?

[pine shore]

With some blessing it might be possible

[untold niche]

how do you even get on it

[spice veldt]

if it's just trash clear then a lot of things encroach on purg

[lethal lagoon]

I'm saying I made it deal 300+ damage and it was ass

[supple dock]

Oh I see

That's sad :/

Because if it cleared a good portion of the horde immediately it'd be a worthwhile take

[spice veldt]

when you enter the area, go directly ahead and there'll be a spot next to a lever where you climb onto a chandelier

there's probably a youtube video on it

[lethal lagoon]

Elites too, same weaknesses for crusher as purg.

[supple dock]

While creeping flames would have lingering fire and even the ability to kill elites/specials

[pine shore]

It's ass because why make it deal 300 damage when I can just take 6 flame stucks and kill everything at 90% peril instead of 100% with a million buffs

Too hard

[lethal lagoon]

PC, flaming shriek, EP smite, Purg is just unneeded

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma buff when

[lethal lagoon]

I have no idea how you'd fix purg

[spice veldt]

purg can stack soulblaze quickly and reliably

[pine shore]

Trauma is insanely strong, it just requires you do build it correctly

[spice veldt]

and in a large area consistently

[urban sandal]

gaslight fs into thinking trauma sucks

[pine shore]

Meanwhile voidstrike just works

[plucky flax]

I don't need just go on reddit.

It sucks bad.

[supple dock]

I think purg should be left as it is, It's Creeping Flames that needs to be looked at

[spice veldt]

alright but what about soulblaze and damage?

i'm not strictly talking about coverage

otherwise I would give that to trauma

i don't see why you are being so reductionist about what i'm saying

[lethal lagoon]

Ep smite and flaming shriek will 100-0 50+ ragers in 8-10 seconds

[pine shore]

If creeping flames loses even 1 max stack from 6 to 5, doesn't it immedeately become useless because it loses every single breakpoint.

[spice veldt]

yes that works too

god forbid you have multiple builds that can achieve a similar thing

[lethal lagoon]

My only point is purg falls behind the other staffs

[spice veldt]

not strictly so?

and definitely not when the surge is another staff

[lethal lagoon]

Surge synergizes with EP smite shriek, which replace purg

[nocturne mural]

just realized I've exactly 0 blessings available for the trauma. Curse you FS and your garbage crafting system

[lethal lagoon]

Or just regular flaming shriek warp charges

[spice veldt]

yes yes and it's an alternative build

[lethal lagoon]

Purg applies a ton of overkill on trash mobs for example

Like if you have 15 stacks on a trash mob, you just wasted time

[spice veldt]

good thing that you can choose to only apply a few stacks

you're also absolutely not able to spread 15 stacks onto trash mobs

before they die

[lethal lagoon]

I mean that's unrealistic to apply exactly 6 in a normal game

[pine shore]

how do you build flame Trauma?

[supple dock]

Blazing Spirit + Warp Nexus

and a crit perk

[lethal lagoon]

flak + 5% crit, blazing spirit tier 3, warp nexus tier 4, 80% blast, 80% charge rate, 360+

[supple dock]

Blast radius is the only thing that matters

[lethal lagoon]

Charge rate is brutal on trauma

[pine shore]

Does damage matter on flame trauma?

[spice veldt]

sure and purg gets to be able to deal with non-carapace elites well

[supple dock]

yes and no

[spice veldt]

look

[nocturne mural]

with blessings I do not possess

[urban sandal]

not as much

[spice veldt]

i'm not saying that it's better than trauma

i'm a fucking trauma main

alright

[pine shore]

Skill issue

[lethal lagoon]

So does EP smite shriek though?

[spice veldt]

i already have stated that trauma is the best staff numerous times

[lethal lagoon]

Plus Purg has issues with PC

[spice veldt]

what issues?

[mental grail]

wheeze

[lethal lagoon]

It doesn't trigger it if it's a soulblaze kill

[pine shore]

Trauma is competing for 1 place with voidstrike

[mental grail]

void clears

[spice veldt]

so?

[supple dock]

most of your damage comes from blazing spirit with that build, but damage can change a breakpoint as well

[thorn cedar]

ep is for weenies and smite is for big weenies

[spice veldt]

it's a shame but you're applying soulblaze anyways

[lethal lagoon]

Right, so lack of synergy

[spice veldt]

...so?

if there's a melee pack, you've got ds4 in your back pocket

[lethal lagoon]

What do you mean so? the point of a good build is syngery

[spice veldt]

as well as uncanny to buff soulblaze

[lethal lagoon]

That's why Purg is A tier and other staves are s tier

[spice veldt]

just because it doesn't have perfect synergy doesn't invalidate it

[lethal lagoon]

I didn't say "invalidate"

[supple dock]

well, no, but it does mean it's A tier

[lethal lagoon]

I said A tier

Wait no, I said A+ tier

[nocturne mural]

no bully plz

[spice veldt]

ah i see

your use of words made me think that your opinion of it was far lower

[lethal lagoon]

I mean all staves are good, but all staves are GOOD, and purg is just good.

[supple dock]

he's been pretty upfront about how he feels about purg as a whole

[spice veldt]

i think it's pretty good on account of being an infinite cleave weapon

[ruby shadow]

who needs a staff when you can just assail and let others deal with the armor specials 😏

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

it is!

[spice veldt]

i'd pick purg for speedruns

[supple dock]

Not to mention the LMB on purg?

So good at getting out of shitty spots

[lethal lagoon]

My primary opinion on Purg is that it was left behind by patch 13

It doesn't mesh as well as the other staves

[flat shadow]

Bring assail and then bring a trauma force staff problem solved

[supple dock]

I think if Creeping Flames gets reimagined purg will be good again, that and fixing PC

well

[spice veldt]

my stance on purg has remained the same because you get to apply to soulblaze to everything consistently and can always just run away

[supple dock]

"S tier again" w/e

[spice veldt]

it has deterministic behavior and you can always count your seconds to play optimally

well, besides the crits of course

[ruby shadow]

I’ve been experimenting with trauma, but I just enjoy my voidstrike attacks more

[spice veldt]

it has a fairly wide coverage of what, 16.4m or whatever

[flat shadow]

I haven't tried voidstrike actually

I simply haven't gotten a nice one

I should try out

[spice veldt]

a respectable range, highly deterministic behavior, and doesn't have much of an active time cost

[plucky flax]

It's okay but I always play assail more when i use my void.

[supple dock]

the single target on purg is slept on too

[lethal lagoon]

I've seen how you aim on void

[spice veldt]

eh

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

mostly for bosses I mean

[flat shadow]

Trauma just feels really really good for knocking over a bunch of crushers

[supple dock]

When you can consistently keep those stacks up

[spice veldt]

single-target is whatevs though you can alwyas just run away as you flame something down

[plucky flax]

I am actually really good at bolt staff. Void is just too freaking slow.

I can't do it.

[flat shadow]

And annihilating a crowd

[spice veldt]

soulblaze is the worst DoT though but it's better than nothing during a boss fight

[lethal lagoon]

I thought I hated void because it was weak, pre-patch 13, but then I realized I just hated void.

[plucky flax]

Release bolt staff in vt2 and I delete my void.

[flat shadow]

The little bolts you throw have high suppression too

[supple dock]

ask your everyday vet how they feel about that exact scenario

[flat shadow]

They feel like saying hurray and whipping out their power sword

[supple dock]

if they respond with anything other than sheer disgust they need to be beaten down

[lethal lagoon]

[ruby shadow]

They magdump trash hordes instead of lasgunners, idc

[pine shore]

Is blazing spirit for trauma only t3?

No t4?

[lethal lagoon]

yes

[supple dock]

I have not seen this behavior in a very long time

[pine shore]

Trash?
https://i.imgur.com/Hw3gMFe.png

[flat shadow]

Also rending shockwave on my staff leaves them all at 40% rending

[supple dock]

very usable

[pine shore]

who cares about usable, I want it good

[lethal lagoon]

Not great but its fine for seeing if you even like blaze trauma

[pine shore]

We earn blessing from this one I guess

[supple dock]

It would unironically do just fine in AM

but I understand and respect the need for high number

[marble crater]

It's 1/4 for blaze trauma, so not good

[plucky flax]

Good? 80% damage 80% charge rate 80% blast radius high quell and 60 something warp resist. Crit chance flak nexus 4 blazing spirits 3.

(It's impossible)

[pine shore]

It's ass

[lethal lagoon]

Blast > Charge > Damage = Quell > Warp resist

[pine shore]

I already threw away like 3 more with about the same stats

[vale grotto]

Um um um um

[lethal lagoon]

I'd change both perks

[marble crater]

Change both perks

[vale grotto]

Oh for sure

[supple dock]

blessings are fine!

[snow plover]

thats a p solid columnus, swap perks out and youll be good

[lethal lagoon]

I like flak unyielding, but you do you

[snow plover]

i think 25% damage to flack maniac or flack unyielding

[supple dock]

I like groaners + crit damage

[marble crater]

Nice to see the psyker chat agree on something for once

[lethal lagoon]

[snow plover]

god i want a columnus like that

guns busted

[rigid sky]

GOD GUN

[vale grotto]

The build I'm following uses Flak and Crit chance

[plucky flax]

Very based.

[rigid sky]

I AM JEALOUS AS FUCK RIGHT NOW

[vale grotto]

I'M SO HAPPY I JUST GOT 30 TONIGHT.

[rigid sky]

Consider unyielding over crit chance btw

[snow plover]

crit chance is fine, but i like flat damage increases over the potential crit is gonna go off

[rigid sky]

Enjoy meming all over bosses

[supple dock]

crit chance isn't worth the perk that allows you to say no to bosses and reapers

[lethal lagoon]

Crit chance doesn't make sense, you are a psyker with scrier's. And it has a nasty crit string.

[fading galleon]

hell yeah

[marble crater]

Columnus has crit strings though

[snow plover]

yeah youll melt people with that gun on gunker

[rigid sky]

Yeah, with a long crit string the value of crit% is weird

It's like an S curve

[supple dock]

Yee, Crit chance is funny in that the more you have the less valuable it becomes

[vale grotto]

I'm gonna' pair it with this, but I don't have a blessing for Uncanny yet

[pine shore]

I got one with perfect stats but 51 damage

[lethal lagoon]

Keep this in mind, the other weapon with a comparable crit string got nerfed to obvilion.

[rigid sky]

Try it with Duelling Sword 4 :)

[supple dock]

I dunno. Shitty saber or a sword NAMED AFTER THE FUCKING MOON

[fading galleon]

yeah a little bit of crit chance goes a long way with strings so investing in it so that you're constantly spitting out crits is great but then it has diminishing returns because you can't crit in the middle of an existing crit string so a lot of potential procs aren't possible and it goes to waste

[rigid sky]

You want a crusher killer with decent horde clear

[fading galleon]

funny how that works

[rigid sky]

Under SG+DD DS4 melts hordes

Surprisingly well

[supple dock]

or use assail like a human being

[devout belfry]

What do you mean by crit string?

[spice veldt]

when a crit is rolled, the next few shots also crit

[lethal lagoon]

It fires 4 shots, if one of those 4 shots rolls a crit, it all crits

Or wait, is it just 1 crit means 3 more crits?

[spice veldt]

columnus mkv has a crit string of 4, meaning that when a crit is rolled, the rolled shot + the next three shots will crit

[lethal lagoon]

Either way, it's stupid OP

[spice veldt]

this also isn't normalized

meaning that your effective crit chance is higher than your nominal crit chance

[plucky flax]

I'll give you a few I have so many.

[devout belfry]

Oh, I was for some reason thinking of Tacticus lol

[spice veldt]

if it was normalized, i'd understand why crit strings exist

[supple dock]

I feel like even 30% crit chance would be monstrous on it

[spice veldt]

but they aren't so they're just an insane quirk of automatics

[lethal lagoon]

I'd love an auction house

aquilius aucton house

Imagine putting up a super shit weapon but it's a 550 so some idiot buys it for 1k aqua

[spice veldt]

yeah 30% nominal crit chance works out to 63% effective crit chance

[devout belfry]

So what blessings are you looking for?

[rigid sky]

Both :D

Assailweave strong

[spice veldt]

the 6 crit string achlys stubber can't hurt you

[devout belfry]

The new penances have me trying everything again lol. The party platter.

[marble crater]

What's with all the sustained fire on an automatic gun?

[rigid sky]

You can burst fire it

[plucky flax]

It's my own meta pls no copy.

[lethal lagoon]

DumDum fire frenzy usually.

[rigid sky]

Tbh blessing 2 on IAG is very flexible

[plucky flax]

Use firefrenzy/deathspitter and enjoy your 8 metre range.

[rigid sky]

You can take what you are given kinda

[plucky flax]

[rigid sky]

Raking Fire also good

For bosses

[marble crater]

Burst fire makes the recoil hard to control for me

[lethal lagoon]

8 meters, that's pretty small

[plucky flax]

My anaconda is like 11 metres.

[radiant frigate]

you should control recoil through burst fire

[devout belfry]

What's the string val on the other heavy stubbers? :0

[lethal lagoon]

He's wrong btw, it can hurt you

[supple dock]

literally just pull down lmao?

[spice veldt]

i don't play ogryn so i only know about the achlys crit string from others

[lethal lagoon]

[vestal fulcrum]

it's 6 on all stubbers

[supple dock]

actually pulling down is too hard for me

[spice veldt]

through the ogryn grapevine

[vestal fulcrum]

supposedly

[spice veldt]

ah that sounds plausible

cuz the charmed reload "counter-balancing"

[supple dock]

@radiant frigate This was a little more aggressive than I wanted to sound I apologize

[spice veldt]

they should've just fucking nerfed charmed reload instead of messing with the crit strings

[vestal fulcrum]

ogryn magician counter-balancing

[lethal lagoon]

I just assumed all psykers also played Ogryn

[spice veldt]

my brain damage has not yet progressed to that stage

[supple dock]

i ONLY play psyker

[lethal lagoon]

[devout belfry]

Pretty sure we all play everything these days. I hunger for penances!

[spice veldt]

i'm vet/knife zealot/psyker

[lethal lagoon]

Good kraking luck with that

[devout belfry]

My ogryn is saved for when I'm feeling burnout. He's silly and makes me happy.

[supple dock]

When I stop dying on psyker is when I'll swap class

[spice veldt]

though i don't play psyker much anymore cuz i've had my fun of it for now until they get a new weapon

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker for life

[supple dock]

[radiant frigate]

i take no offense

[supple dock]

yeah i wanted it to be one of those "lol just do this 4head"

[lethal lagoon]

That's a bad strat.

[supple dock]

but hard to get that across

[plucky flax]

Wrong.

[lethal lagoon]

[devout belfry]

I saw an anime about it. It worked out.

[radiant frigate]

being offended is meta

[lethal lagoon]

[radiant frigate]

i have also been playing ogryn for penances

haven't touched psyker in a while

[devout belfry]

I like when all the unique voices for ogryn all talk to each other in one conversation.

[swift moss]

i just finished vet, need to do ogryn/zealot still

[supple dock]

i wish that many people would talk to me v.v

[swift moss]

which one was hardest/ most time consuming for you so far @Kat?

[lethal lagoon]

Maybe if you died less on psyker

[devout belfry]

That's what the vcs are for silly.

[radiant frigate]

out of the ones i have done? probably loner

[untold niche]

Once space marine 2 releases in September darktide go bye bye

[devout belfry]

Lol. Krak grenades. That takes forever.

[radiant frigate]

krak is the last one missing on vet

haven't played that in a while either

[lethal lagoon]

Anyone who has completed all vet penances is

I'm going to look into the Krak and reveal their secrets

[devout belfry]

I'm close lol. But I cheesed most.

[swift moss]

i just finished all vet penances

krak and killshot were shit

[lethal lagoon]

yeah kraking right

[devout belfry]

I just play on auric and toss them at groups.

[untold niche]

Even ogryn is more fun than vet

[devout belfry]

I like my knife vet lol. The toughness damage reduction build is so silly.

[vestal fulcrum]

that's me

[swift moss]

XD

[radiant frigate]

ogryn frag penance will take a while

5/25

[near drift]

pray for enhanced blitz maelstroms and start chucking at hordes

[radiant frigate]

does enhanced blitz give grenade regen

[supple dock]

more nades

i believe

+2?

[lethal lagoon]

Look at the Krak in the corner, it's clearly edited

[near drift]

Yeah you get 3 nukes with enhanced

[supple dock]

psyker uses less peril?

[untold niche]

Oh ya agent

How come your knife build doesn't pick the last piety node

[plucky flax]

Diminishing return on high crit chance.

It's still good, but once you're over 50% crit chance it's like, you either crit or you don't.

Better spend that on something else to make you tankier/faster.

[supple dock]

ok time to eat like 4 more gummies and finish this sandwich then sleep

[untold niche]

Hmmm

[rigid sky]

I still would favour the extra 10% tbh

[supple dock]

This is terribly worded but the sentament is true

[rigid sky]

More CDR, more consistent oneshots

[lethal lagoon]

Is this a riddle for guessing if someone is 3 or 30

[supple dock]

Atlas.

[rigid sky]

But I'm bad at knife

[supple dock]

gummies

[plucky flax]

Yes it's still good, but it becomes diminishing return on high crit weapon like shred claw or knife.

[lethal lagoon]

That's the joke

[supple dock]

o7

[plucky flax]

Run it if you want that was just my reasoning.

[lethal lagoon]

[marble crater]

13, he is 13

[supple dock]

more crit you have less useful is

but always useful

[rigid sky]

It already is diminishing compared with the initial node tbh anyway

15 for 1 point

10 for 2 more points

[supple dock]

since even 95>100% is still an objective increase in dps

just not as staggeringly powerful as the first bit

[rigid sky]

Arguable though

[radiant frigate]

it's always "you crit or you don't"

[rigid sky]

I am happier to go 95 to 100 than 0 to 5

If there are no crit strings

Since 95 to 100 gives total consistency that can be planned for

You can't plan for a 5% chance

[lethal lagoon]

[radiant frigate]

anyway "hit them until they die" is the best breakpoint

[spice veldt]

fire emblem players on their way to disagree

[supple dock]

it depends on the targets you're going against, if specific breakpoints that are fucked with can either entirely ruin your rhythm then a 5% chance may be jarring, though on something like say, a big boss with no reasonable breakpoint that you can solely depend on the 5% is gonna be better

[rigid sky]

Very fair.

Or well

[cloud sequoia]

when you see this blessing

[rigid sky]

The 5% is gonna be as good as

[lethal lagoon]

But it's on Trauma

[cloud sequoia]

and see the staff type

[lethal lagoon]

[plucky flax]

I use surge on my blaze trauma.

[plucky flax]

Instant 6 stacks of soulblaze.

[cloud sequoia]

wha surge works on explosion?

[supple dock]

who's worse to clutch with, psyker or ogryn?

WORSE

[lethal lagoon]

Embrace eternity
#1158835513789272126 message

[supple dock]

words is hard

[lethal lagoon]

The greatest build that ever was

[plucky flax]

No I was memeing.

[lethal lagoon]

Ever is

[marble crater]

It doesn't work on the secondary

[plucky flax]

Wut psyker is so good at clutching.

[lethal lagoon]

Ogryn is best at clutching, cause if you just survive, enemies despawn

[supple dock]

yes, but it fucking sucks because it's hard

[rigid sky]

If Surge did work it would be awesome though

But it would only be 3 stacks still

[lethal lagoon]

Surge DOES work

🙂

[spice veldt]

true aim surge + blazing spirit OwO

[rigid sky]

Surge bonus attack is a normie

[lethal lagoon]

#1158835513789272126 message

[marble crater]

Suddenly a little girl with a big net

[rigid sky]

Not a crit

[lethal lagoon]

Why Ogryn look so shamful when netted?

Wrapped like a big fat juicy dumpling

[supple dock]

ogryns can rip apart space marine armor but can't pull themselves from net

[urban sandal]

or push a dog off them

[plucky flax]

Not me clutching recently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-m8DtE25Jc

[supple dock]

don't get me wrong I clutch too

[lethal lagoon]

UMG

[supple dock]

but like, fuck it sucks cause if you get tagged at all you just fucking die

[plucky flax]

This is not the song I used but okay.

[lethal lagoon]

It's a compliment, they copyrighted you cause you are a cool cat

[supple dock]

I hate that helmet you sound like a shotgunner

[plucky flax]

I changed voice to female seer now.

Demonic grandma.

Tbh she sounds like a male robot.

[uncut sable]

whats the best force sword?

[rigid sky]

Ogryn shibari

[supple dock]

anything but obscurous

[rigid sky]

Depends

Deimos single target, illisi multi

The holy trinity of psyker melees are deimos, illisi, Duelling 4

And arguably combat blade 6

[supple dock]

6 sucks go 3

(totally not just preference)

[uncut sable]

what blessings should i go for on the illisi?

[plucky flax]

Sniper curio saved me that run.

[supple dock]

Slaughterer is my only strong recommendation for Illisi

the other blessing do w/e

[plucky flax]

If I didn't have I would go down (not totally because I was being cocky)

[supple dock]

except blazing spirit

Don't do that one

[uncut sable]

rn i use a transcendant chainsword with rampage and savage sweep

[rigid sky]

Mark 4?

[uncut sable]

ye

[rigid sky]

That's a very solid pick too

[supple dock]

we all assume your weapons will be orange

[uncut sable]

my primary is an odd pick but it seems to do well even in heresy

one moment

[rigid sky]

So we mostly talk about stuff that's good for at least HI5STG

[supple dock]

You'd have to do something purposefully odd for us to consider it an actual odd choice imo

[uncut sable]

I use this for any elite, and then i use smite for everything else

just keep one round in the mag, one taps most things

[rigid sky]

Zarona is solid as fuck but

[supple dock]

I mean revovlers are fine

[rigid sky]

You should really get hand cannon on it

It's so important

[uncut sable]

whats that do?

[rigid sky]

Crits have huge rending bonus

Like 70% I think

[uncut sable]

ah

[rigid sky]

So crits kill Crushers

[uncut sable]

yeah the only thing this struggles with any orgyn type enemy

[supple dock]

yeeee

[rigid sky]

Usual meta is surgical handcannon

[supple dock]

deimos would be a cheap fix vs big armor big hp

[uncut sable]

i havent earned any blessings so ive got a ways to go

[supple dock]

like you don't even need anything good on it deimos will work no matter what you do

[uncut sable]

i usually just stun lock big guys with smite so my teammates can deal with them, any other elite is an easy target

[supple dock]

very valid, however I personally believe (so not everyone will agree) that as psyker you should be able to handle every situation solo even inefficiently

[rigid sky]

I'm not sure how revolver psyker is built compared to other gun psykers

[uncut sable]

fair

im still working on it

[rigid sky]

You might be able to get a one shot on Crushers with DD/SG

Not sure never tried

[supple dock]

I believe in this mostly for pub groups because you doin't know what your team comp or team skill will be

[rigid sky]

I have only done CIAG and Accatran Laspistol personally

[vale grotto]

Is this cursed abomination salvageable? Bought it cause 375 and I saw a future for it when they buff it 20 years from now.

[uncut sable]

im glad we have more than just brain burst now, i was not a fan

[rigid sky]

New brain burst is so good too now lol

[supple dock]

elite + punishing

[uncut sable]

like its good, but i much brefer smite

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swap

probably needs infernus?

idk what you build on recon

[rigid sky]

Kinetic Resonance being almost a freebie, and if you really wanna milk it EP on top makes brain rupture feel fucking incredible

[vale grotto]

Was recommended Infernus and maybe Flak?

[rigid sky]

It's basically a plasma that doesn't cleave

[lethal lagoon]

Did someone say smite

[vale grotto]

I also heard this gun bad but it called out to me

[lethal lagoon]

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flak or maniac whichever is a bigger pain in the ass

[uncut sable]

i use the F ability that increases damage and builds peril i like it alot

[supple dock]

its preference

[rigid sky]

So a couple of things

Recon has terrible Finesse values

And psyker wants Finesse weapons due to SG and DD

Also, Smite is great but it really really wants to combo with Shriek w/ creeping flames

[supple dock]

oh right i didn't consider sg

[lethal lagoon]

Yes typically you want this F ability with smite

Other F ability is nice with assial

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burn + smite damage

so good