psyker-class

[plucky flax]

Leave again of course.

Wait long enough to make sure lobby is filled.

Then queue up again.

[slate oasis]

man I really wish you didn't have to undo your whole skill tree just to change one node. just have everything that's not connected turn red or something

[plucky flax]

There's mod for that.

[slate oasis]

praise the modders. I'll look into it

[paper lily]

You still have to have adjacent nodes but yeah

[mental grail]

just leave and select a different map

[spiral storm]

I just deselect one from the very bottom, go back up and select the one I need

I also use the more loadouts mod

[quartz barn]

Honestly i dont mind shitters that much because carrying is fun

However theres a big difference between being bad and just being dead weight

Atleast if they're bad i get good progress on the rescue/revive penances

And having stealth zealots complain about gunners is just comical

[paper lily]

i find it fun too

especially if they're toxic

[short lily]

Feels bad when you're trying to look cool carrying some fresh 30s in Aurics and your BB passive ends up killing you as the last man standing when it procs on a burster you're trying to force push away

[plucky flax]

Flayer can proc on burster?

I mean on push

[spice veldt]

push-attacks mayhaps with an uncanny strike fs?

that's the only thing i can think of

[quartz barn]

Also what are the chances even

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, it’s 15%, or whatever the chance is for KF to proc

[quartz barn]

Only time you push a burster when you're on your own is when you're too busy with a horde

So to have it proc on the burster is uhh

[vestal fulcrum]

Regular push won’t do it I don’t think

[quartz barn]

It wont

[vestal fulcrum]

Push attack follow-up, though?

[quartz barn]

Id know cause i use it all the time

[vestal fulcrum]

What I’m trying to say is that there aren’t any „chances”, push attack follow-up only ever hits one target

[quartz barn]

Usually procs on ragers since i specifically swap to melee for those to heavy > backdodge slide > special them

[vestal fulcrum]

So you deliberately have to push attack the burster, to have a chance of a nasty surprise blowing in your face

[quartz barn]

Pretty much this

Even then always backdodge after pushing so even if it does explode you take no or less dmg

[short lily]

Lil shit was trying to sneak up to my left while I was dealing with the mobs in front

[quartz barn]

Hell you can even run past them and push dodgeslide and still get enough distance even if they were mid jump

[short lily]

It procs on the 2nd part of the force push

Instantly

[quartz barn]

So you push attack

[upper sun]

me but except dogs its hab dreyko at any point

[quartz barn]

It just looks different since you dont use your weapon

But you basically do a mini force crush which kills the burster

Tldr dont do that

[upper sun]

force pushes deal 1 damage to enemies and apply stacks of either uncanny or executor

[short lily]

Either way I already took out that node in favour of something else

Was just an extra point I randomly threw around anw

[ornate hamlet]

Which maccabian sword is best?

Got some pretty good choices in the shop atm

[plucky flax]

4 best damage
5 best mobility
2 is kinda meme

[ornate hamlet]

Dammit, I got a 2 in the shop atm

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, make sure to give it a try

It’s not a bad weapon. It’s just badly outclassed by Mk4

But it can do single target damage reasonably well still (chain H1 into special, repeat)

[rigid sky]

Another reason why flayer is shit

[plucky flax]

Mfw same heavy 1 attack as ds4 for 70% of the damage.

Fartshart logic

[vestal fulcrum]

It occupies a skill point

[rigid sky]

I always prefer to do the push attack on busters since it does the stagger animation twice

[slate oasis]

what's the least important stat(s) for the surge staff?

[vestal fulcrum]

Arguably none

[rigid sky]

They are kinda all important

[vestal fulcrum]

But realistically Crit bonus

[rigid sky]

Try to get one where everything is 65%+

[slate oasis]

and for blessings I assume nexus and flurry are the best

[rigid sky]

I'ma be real with you, I don't buy that but maybe I just don't understand the reason

[rigid sky]

Yep, same as purgatus

[paper lily]

warp resistance is the weakest stat for surge

[plucky flax]

Less critical chance and damage

[paper lily]

crit scales insanely well idk why u wouldn't want that

[plucky flax]

I'd go with 380 with 80 damage 80 crit chance and 80 quell. Then 75 charge and 65 warp resist if I could make one.

[vestal fulcrum]

My other choice would be Charge rate, but it’s pretty close. The small increase that higher levels of Crit bonus grant are not that impactful if you consider all other sources of Crit - you start hitting diminishing returns, and consistency is something that’s valued generally more than spikes of power

Hence my stand on Crit bonus as a modifier

[rigid sky]

Do you start hitting diminishing returns though?

It doesn't have crit streaks

[paper lily]

you don't in fact it makes it significantly more consistent

[rigid sky]

like a CIAG does

it's just 1 crit for 1 cast

so 1% crit will always be just as valuable

but crit bonus also improves crit damage iirc

so actually if anything

[paper lily]

crit bonus also just gives crit so

[plucky flax]

Diminishing in the sense that if it's over 50% crit chance. You either crit or you don't.

[rigid sky]

more crit chance makes crit bonus better, not worse

until you hit the 100% cap anyway

[vestal fulcrum]

Damage output makes it more consistent, I.e., having to vent less, release more charged attacks and having to vent less due to better warp resistance arguably is more important than having 2-3% more Crit

[paper lily]

yeah but there's breakpoints in warp res that warp res doesn't hit

if u have to quell 1 time to edge regardless of warp res who cares

[rigid sky]

Also warp resistance is mitigated by having venting shriek

[paper lily]

quell speed is infinitely more important in that regard

[rigid sky]

I wouldn't want warp resistance to be low either though

but I'd probably be happiest if it's the 60 if my spread is 80/80/80/80/60

[paper lily]

yeah i mean it's the dump stat

u save a total of 3 peril not accounting for peril reduction in tree

for max warp res vs 0

[plucky flax]

I'm happy with my surge. Open perks

[paper lily]

i want one with open perks

[vestal fulcrum]

I see your points and understand where the idea is stemming from, but in the grand scheme of things, this doesn’t matter greatly, because we can’t influence the modifiers directly

[plucky flax]

Just craft better.

[paper lily]

not sure what you mean, you said that crit bonus is the worst stat

it's just not tho

[vestal fulcrum]

Yeah, but I’m not going to care about chasing 3% more Crit just because of marginal increases

[paper lily]

if u have the option to craft a staff and someone wants to know what to look for, sure a mid roll on everything is great but u would be surprised the difference between say 70 quell speed and 80

yeah but THEY might

[vestal fulcrum]

Having damage, charge rate and quell high is arguably the most important factors

[rigid sky]

It changes which Brunt rolls you try to consecrate and which you discard

[vestal fulcrum]

Warp resist is nice, but there’s a point to be made about Shriek benefiting from high peril build-up, and Crit bonus I don’t have the mental power to comprehend how realistically it influences the final numbers of “viability”

[paper lily]

nothing to do with viability, warp res is just objectively the least impactful stat

[vestal fulcrum]

I’ll take the L

[rigid sky]

Warp resistance, for what it does, is also just kinda unimpactful

[vestal fulcrum]

It can be the least impactful stat

[paper lily]

if warp res made a difference between 1 tick and 2 tick quell, u could make an argument to max it

but it doesn't so it's just a dead stat

[vestal fulcrum]

Would it matter in a hypothetical scenario where you’re at 0 peril and can stick in an additional full charge before being in the edging peril zone?

[paper lily]

if u intend to edge peril it's an advantage to reach the highest peril regardless

[vestal fulcrum]

And/or do Warp Siphon charges change anything in that regard, or is it still negligible?

[paper lily]

u would be counting 1 extra cast over the entire match edging peril

[vestal fulcrum]

As in, as quickly as possible?

[paper lily]

within reason cuz u don't want 1 cast to cost u 2 quell ticks

that's why warp res is the dump stat, it's not entirely useless

[vestal fulcrum]

[true rover]

depends if you're edging peril or using your whole bar

[paper lily]

yea i'm just assuming what people think is 'optimal' playstyle

just went to meatgrinder to see diff between 60 and 80 warp res with my build and it's about 2% peril per full charge cast

[vestal fulcrum]

Cheers for sharing, I’m always eager to learn new things

[paper lily]

with warp charges it'd probably be much less too

[true rover]

what's base percent?

[paper lily]

with 0 warp res?

[true rover]

nah 60

baseline

[paper lily]

with max warp res i was getting roughly 18.2% peril at 60 it was around 20.5ish

0 warp res is like 23

[true rover]

fair play, what does 6 warp charges get you percentage wise

[paper lily]

uhh

https://i.imgur.com/zmlF378.png

think i did this right idk i just woke up

thats with max warp res too

difference is about 1% with max warp charges

[rigid sky]

Inner tranquility is an opportunity cost though

Essence harvest gud

And for most Surge builds, EP very gud

[paper lily]

useless to me

gotta get hit to have td regen matter

[true rover]

Warp charges give more hits before needing to quell, and pretty sure EP only applies to the blitz no? It used to apply to surge as smite and surge were briefly the same thing

[paper lily]

in fact i think inner tranquility is the main reason i go wc

otherwise i'd probably just go dd

[rigid sky]

Yes but most people I see running surge take smite and shriek

EP smite is busted atm

[paper lily]

surge is just there for the ride in that build

[patent wing]

ep smite still bad

[paper lily]

nah ep smite is disgustingly overpowered rn

[rigid sky]

I just run DD for void and guns

[patent wing]

nah its bad

[paper lily]

its just not lmao

[patent wing]

still takes ages to stun enemies

still stops after 3 seconds

[paper lily]

idk what build ur running but it's clearly not the right one

[patent wing]

still cant kill armor

[paper lily]

it can kill armor tho

[patent wing]

still no uptime

[vestal fulcrum]

Is Smite EP typically used with Lightning Storm upgrade, or no upgrades are typically taken still?

[patent wing]

flame shriek smite still better by ages

[rigid sky]

Who says I'm trying to kill armour with smite lmfao

[vestal fulcrum]

Like, Crushers?

[paper lily]

when i say ep smite is fucking busted i really do mean it, it can do everything except monstrosities

[vestal fulcrum]

I mean no, Smite can’t really kill big elites very quickly

[rigid sky]

I mean that's a false dichotomy

Who even runs smite without flame shriek

[vestal fulcrum]

But anything smaller or equal to Rager gets deleted in seconds

[paper lily]

u would always run ep smite with shriek idk

[patent wing]

because with ep smite i could use bubble

and make up for smites weakness against ranged and open fields

[paper lily]

ep smite has no weaknesses

[patent wing]

but it needs warp charges to keep them stunned long enough, and the cooldown for shriek

[paper lily]

cuz it literally stuns the entire room

[rigid sky]

Smite and bubble don't really mix imo

[paper lily]

https://i.imgur.com/l6aiKGq.png

[patent wing]

yeah the ROOM

[paper lily]

average ep smite run

[patent wing]

but what if you are outside

[paper lily]

u can still smite, literally every bit of ranged dmg in this build is blitz

[vestal fulcrum]

This is scary levels of ranged damage

[paper lily]

i have like 75 scoreboards that look the exact same

[patent wing]

also it sucks that you lose a stack because u get hit while starting to smite

[paper lily]

yeah but that just means play the build better not that ep smite is shit

[vestal fulcrum]

I wonder why the hel did they buff EP Smite damage from 125 to 200%

[patent wing]

just because that mf skill takes ages to stun the trash unit

[paper lily]

nah like ep smite was competitive with regular dps builds before, now it dominates them

[patent wing]

and dare if there joins a trash unit from the side or behind

[rigid sky]

dodge

[patent wing]

this mf blitzz can jump back

[paper lily]

u gotta be aware, the one thing smite will teach u is evasion

[rigid sky]

lmao

[paper lily]

since keeping ur channel up is paramount

[vestal fulcrum]

Bump

[paper lily]

i take both

[vestal fulcrum]

I personally wouldn’t take Enfeeble

[paper lily]

when it says 'jumps' it means how many it chains off of, so 1 becomes 2, becomes 4 etc

[vestal fulcrum]

But LS has a very good hidden property, not in the tooltip

[paper lily]

enfeeble does work on rmb after being corrected by ppl here, it's just 10% ranged dmg on ur smite for free

[patent wing]

ah cmon again if i start to blitz the horde, and 2 poxwalkers come in from the side they are not stunned

because this trash lightning doesnt travel back

[paper lily]

yeah but you need to see your ability as a cone that is controlled

put your back or sides to a place that CANT be flanked

that's a skill in itself

[patent wing]

game literally spawns enemies out of thin air kek

[vestal fulcrum]

It doesn’t not very often at least

[paper lily]

it can but that just encourages you to look around

[patent wing]

if you think they only come out of spawn points ur wrong

[vestal fulcrum]

The way enemies spawn is very predictable to a degree

[paper lily]

bro im aware

[patent wing]

yeah but still sucks if i have do stop smiting because of that

which loses my ep stack

[paper lily]

u don't have to stop

u can just dodge

[patent wing]

yeah sometimes i can do that

[paper lily]

they don't have a 360 kickflip noscope smack u ability

they just melee, really really slowly

[patent wing]

it still does not keep the enemies in line long enough and without shriek still bad

[rigid sky]

again

[paper lily]

it literally freezes the entire packs of enemies i really dunno what u mean

[patent wing]

and then i can just take warp charges and profit from cdr

[rigid sky]

run shriek with it

I don't see why you wouldn't run shriek with it

[paper lily]

smite is pretty forgiving even with targetting when u look away

[patent wing]

and peril cost reduction

[paper lily]

because that build does negative dmg

that's the smite build everyone hates playing with

[rigid sky]

I'm not shitting on warp siphon either

warp siphon's good

it's just that EP smite is really good now

[patent wing]

it doesnt stun them long enough imo

costs to much peril

[paper lily]

when that rager has finished his 7th grand mal seizure and still hasn't died that's why ur team is like wtf are u doing

[rigid sky]

stuns for more than long enough

and I can just quell down to 0 and do it again if I need to

I take Solidity on my surge/smite build tbh

[paper lily]

the best stun outside of a stun is just killing shit

smite does both rly good with ep

[rigid sky]

even though I normally consider that to be a dead talent

but I think it's really beneficial for smite

[paper lily]

the amt of ppl quelling with hands using smite as well

its like they wanna lose

[vestal fulcrum]

Pictured people venting with Smite:

it’s so slow

[paper lily]

the numbers u can put out are genuinely insane with smite and u can carry the absolute worst players too

they can probably have their monitors off and still win

[vestal fulcrum]

By the way

[paper lily]

i only lost one game that pissed me off playing my smite only psyker

[vestal fulcrum]

Left or right EP upgrade for Smite?

[paper lily]

https://i.imgur.com/6MaZmIG.png

i used to go left but it does so much dmg right is better now

[vestal fulcrum]

I.e., more passive chance to get EP on any kills or EP stacks on elite kills?

[paper lily]

left was better prepatch cuz ur mostly killing trash

now it's just right, you can just surge early mobs to get stacks up and then smite forever

[potent echo]

I feel like the proc off elites one is more consistent

[paper lily]

it's much better now than it used to be, i was playing in a way that i was ONLY using smite

before i would struggle to lasthit elites on my own

[potent echo]

If you have a gun you just shoot some gunner and you good

[paper lily]

staff psyker only for me

[marble crater]

I don't know if I should be happy or not

[vestal fulcrum]

Yes

Small victories should be cherished

Even if the winner is the Obscurus

[paper lily]

well u lose nothing holding onto it, just in case of a rework or whatever

[quartz barn]

Doubt it will ever get reworked

[marble crater]

I lose luck on other good weapon rolls, like why couldn't this be a Trauma staff for example

[quartz barn]

Eh trauma is bad anyway

Pls buff

[dark lotus]

Hey psyker, can you enlighten me if quell speed or warp resistance, which one is more important for purgatus force staff

[vestal fulcrum]

Quell speed

Warp resist doesn’t do much on Purgatus and can be detrimental if it’s paired with Shriek

[marble crater]

Damage also doesn't do much on purgatus, most important are burn and radius

[dark lotus]

hmm

I always thought that but my friend say that quell speed would be a dumb stat

[patent wing]

burn 76 all above useles

but not less

[dark lotus]

I have 2 purgatus force staffs

1 with warp resistance 79% quell speed 60%

[marble crater]

Your friend is saying the same thing we are

[dark lotus]

another one with quell speed 79% and warp resis 60%

sorry just edited it

typo mistake

[marble crater]

What do burn and radius on those staves look like, the same for both?

[dark lotus]

pretty much the same

[marble crater]

Then use the one with better quell

[dark lotus]

all burn 80%

cloud radius is 76 and 80

oh okay

let me try

[marble crater]

Good luck

[plucky flax]

Pls buff

[upper sun]

yerr i have 7 of those

why does ogrynomicon get a feature on the launcher while we dont?

[marble crater]

Because they recently updated it after the patch

I guess

[upper sun]

pygex and the numbers guy for vet have easily done just as much work if not more 😭

[vestal fulcrum]

They have a generally more well-organised guide and people in the team that can gently nudge FS to get more recognition, but I might be missing the spot with this take

[upper sun]

nah i disagree i think its because its all shiny big font images for smooth brains

[vestal fulcrum]

Hey @fading galleon , did any of you oldgryns nudge FS to enclose the Oggynomicon in the launcher, or was it a decision driven directly by whoever appreciated the idea in FS’s Community team

[upper sun]

hank prolly drove up there to stockholm and asked them personally

[vestal fulcrum]

Twice, actually, because the guide has been highlighted twice now

[upper sun]

im reporting him to greta thunderburg

[quartz barn]

I guess the atheneum is too complicated for casuals

[upper sun]

its not that bad just cntrl F the stuff you wanna find 😭

[quartz barn]

We are all intellectuals after all

[marble crater]

Simpletons

[upper sun]

so tru so tru

ok i have every single blessing in 5 char melk rotations

[fading galleon]

I asked Catfish the first time, but they spontaneously did it the second time

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, there we go, I was only half wrong

Cheers!

[patent steeple]

btw, which gender is better for stopping my ears from hurting when Loner psyker speaks? I ask because idk if I wanna waste 50k dockets/whatever the cost for gender changing via personality reset actually is just to make my psyker female... I could always just swap back to Seer, but I feel like that personality has become boring to me...

[vestal fulcrum]

I thoroughly recommend Loner Male if you want to embrace the cringe and edge

[marble crater]

Female loner sounds nicer than male one, imo

[vestal fulcrum]

Female is definitely the one that’s “calmer” per se

[marble crater]

But I might also just be biased against the German voice

[fading galleon]

Loner Male is constantly shrieking and sneering. Female has a more level-headed delivery for sure but she has a voice/delivery type that sounds annoying to me literally all the time. so ymmv

[patent steeple]

idk, I just like the way male loner says the Gaze activation lines (when the lines don't get cut off by some other voiceline)

[fading galleon]

very... nasally?

I personally use female Seer, who sounds so different from Male that she might as well be a different personality. but delusional space grandma is hilarious

[vestal fulcrum]

Whereas male Seer is almost entirely unhinged and I love that change of character from male Loner

[marble crater]

Male seer is the fun kind of unhinged though

[paper lily]

fear me! bwahaha

[slate oasis]

I like all the psyker voices

male loner and seer are my favorites though

[upper sun]

everything is good except female seer

[patent steeple]

btw, i have a revolver gunker-specific DS4 which has Uncanny Strike and Rampage

[slate oasis]

I also genuinely love when you ping certain things as loner and he shrieks so loud he could shatter glass

[rigid sky]

GRA-N^(AAAAAA)DE :D

uh how to do markup

[fading galleon]

wrong

female seer is the best one actually

[marble crater]

Male seer voice crack when calling out shotgunners is also hilarious

[steel flame]

tf is Hadron trynna do to me lmao

IDEK if I should use this or not

[untold niche]

finals ended

[marble crater]

Welcome back

[rigid sky]

Rip Surge off of it, congrats

[upper sun]

man spent like 5 minutes dualling a pogryn while dancing around pox gas with a crusher

then i remembered i had a culumn-bush

[stark notch]

Terrifying Barrage for Flurry, Stamina for Flak/Carapace and you got a solid staff right there

Wish the warp resistance and quell speed were interchanged but it's still serviceable

[upper sun]

nah high quell speed is nice

[paper lily]

it's just way better

49% quell speed would give u negative quell speed i think lmao

[stark notch]

True, though I personally run shriek with voidstrike so quelling isn't as common

For bubble builds though, high quell is very nice

[steel flame]

NGL I kind of like having low warp resistance

It helps me get to the higher warp % for more damage quicker

[untold niche]

:D

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-tapaatap-tapatap-monkey-tapatap-dance-gif-23864133

Oh no i lost embed privilledges

OH NO

my monkeys ;-;

[marble crater]

Have to earn that right all over again

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-conduciendo-gif-24377638

Monkey for you

[upper sun]

ok

hit track on trappers

hits/fire in general while mutties have you

they need to fix this shit

i really dont wanna wait 7 months more for another qol change

[slate oasis]

I think it's because that links to the entire webpage and not just the gif itself

[upper sun]

its because u left and came back

[untold niche]

thank

[manic halo]

Dude I try and replicate the way she speaks all the time

"we are friends aren't me? I'd be MOST UPSET IF NOOOT"

[idle aurora]

Any tips on 250 kills with empowered psionics? Seems extremely slow with assail even on high int spec gauntlet

Like, i barely got 11 kills after 2 entire runs

[upper sun]

idk if you're gonna like how i got it

but shock troop malice with BB

and double wall

you can just walk up to elites and wall them get some points for the shield penance then BB them in point blank range

also wall since it has two stacks can give you double the upgraded brain bursts

[idle aurora]

I am down to try, guess I'll need the one that gives guaranteed stack for elite kill?

[upper sun]

ye shit in malice has lower hp

with the EP stacks youll kill anything

and they do less damage so you can just tank shit in point blank range while charging BB

[idle aurora]

Honestly kinda sounds fun, lol. Just some meme malice runs

[upper sun]

ye psyker ones arent too bad aside from the ... shield penance

[idle aurora]

Shield actually felt extremely easy, but probably because i got a bunch of "mostly ranged enemies" missions in a row

[upper sun]

i was dying

only after like 3 days i got a ranged mission

i even tried snipers but i got great teams like 4 times in a row

i'm telling you all 4 games only like 3 snipers managed to get a shot in

[gilded marten]

left or right?

[upper sun]

tbh they're both good

[dense valley]

id take right everyday

[upper sun]

upgrade and see what you get

itll depend on

[gilded marten]

aight

zamn nice roll

perks kinda decent i guess

[upper sun]

hell yeah

[gilded marten]

Unarmoured to maniac would be good yes?

or crit chance?

[fresh reef]

Won't lie I cheesed the shield penance with Many More Try and ranged maelstroms

Fuck the shield, hate using it

Will never use it again

[thorn cedar]

Hopefully I end the smyker grind today

[quartz barn]

You can also just place the shield on top of the gunner group so they will all just beam it

[idle aurora]

Dude, wtf. Literally got 70+ kills on just one run, not even spec gauntlet

So much faster to do

[untold niche]

for darktide mods, i have a folder called "base" i can't seem to find where to download it

[upper sun]

yup i tried assail i tried smite

but point blank BB was the best one for ep grind

[radiant frigate]

idk i just used smite for it

[plucky flax]

Bring basket build for it. 🧺

🗑️

[strong gulch]

I'm a bit brain fogged and struggling to understand. Are you asking where your mods folder should be?

[upper sun]

pff you dont know the pleasure of sliding into a gunner plopping down a wall and BBing them in point blank range

[upper sun]

also

[radiant frigate]

i do not

[near drift]

If it's for the penance literally just bring EP smite and smite bot hordes you will get it done in one or two matches max

[untold niche]

no, there is a mod called "base"
ik dmf is from mod loader and animation_events is that, and those two are what is essential
but i don'

t know why is there one called base

[upper sun]

the one mission in archvium something with the satalite dish has infinite elite waves just after the mini game and before the elevator

🤔 i wonder how will the ai react to a premade team of psykers just farming it for 2 hours

[quartz barn]

What does the base mod even do?

[marble crater]

Sends in 100 bombers and 5 DHs after 30 minutes

[potent echo]

hestia wouild be proud

[quartz barn]

Because it sounds like its just a sub file

[upper sun]

doesnt the mission run out of stuff eventually ive never seen any scoreboard with more than 4k enemies

[marble crater]

Test it

[upper sun]

😰 uhhh

only with you

bring a pee bottle

[strong gulch]

Oh gotcha. I don't know know exactly what "base" does, but I've deleted it before and I couldn't even run Darkitde.

[marble crater]

Nah, I'm finished with my psyker penances

[upper sun]

same

[potent echo]

are psyker penances the easiest out of the bunch 🤔

[upper sun]

yes

[potent echo]

still doing armorbane

[marble crater]

And you will for a while longer

[long wharf]

Every class has one or two grindy penance

[potent echo]

only 200 so far

[radiant frigate]

ogryn bomb

[upper sun]

hit 25 enemies with 25 boxes 25 times 🙂 ||do this 25 times||

[radiant frigate]

burst limiter override

[radiant frigate]

without missing, of course

[upper sun]

in a row in the same mission 🙃

[jovial juniper]

Comms-plex 154/2f?

[potent echo]

while crouch walking

[upper sun]

prolly who knows

bruh we need flash cards with mission names

[radiant frigate]

while writing translations of ancient texts with a pen held with your feet, in goat's blood, on sanctified vellum

and you better not mistranslate...

[jovial juniper]

Easier names to remember would be nice as well

[upper sun]

id rather not do ogryn 😭

[upper sun]

the harder to remember the name is the less likely you are to notice that theyre the same map just from opposite ends

[vestal fulcrum]

Heavy Hitter one is also quite grindy, honestly

[radiant frigate]

feel no pain too

feel no pain is such a shit keystone now tbh

[vestal fulcrum]

FNP I did in 3 games

[radiant frigate]

immediately shredded by any considerable volume of ranged fire

[vestal fulcrum]

Heavy Hitter took me a dozen or so, and with a specialised loadout

[marble crater]

I don't mind the grindy ones, if they are how I normally play anyway, doesn't make a difference

[radiant frigate]

despite not even feeling the dent in your toughness

[long wharf]

Ogryn is not the worst for grinding

Vet is, by far

[radiant frigate]

is it

[vestal fulcrum]

Vet was smooth on my end, but Krak and MF penances are both terrible

[long wharf]

Krak kills is really annoying

[radiant frigate]

i am just missing like 200 armored enemies with kraks

[upper sun]

grindy ones in keystones you dont play are the worst

[marble crater]

Vet

[radiant frigate]

fortunately warp siphon penances are not a thing for me because i did them in The Before Times

EP was okay and DD i play anyway

shield was kinda annoying

[long wharf]

None of the psyker ones gave me much trouble. Even the EP kills one was made easier by pox pups

[radiant frigate]

SG was dead simple

EP kills kinda goes along with assail penance

two for one deal

[upper sun]

ye comboing things you can is the best move

like knife kills in fury/15 momentum stacks

[radiant frigate]

the entire right side of zealot kinda just goes together

backstab ranged things outside coherency
backstab elites/specials from shroudfield
kill elites/specials with 15 momentum stacks

[long wharf]

most of the Vet penances were easy

[radiant frigate]

sure sounds a lot like running at mach 5 with a knife and invis to go behind things, potentially elites or specials, and shanking them vigorously

[long wharf]

I'm still working on the crab-walk one

and krak one

[radiant frigate]

my condolences

is crabwalk melee the meta for that one

[long wharf]

I'm using plasma for easy headshot kills and then meleeing the horde

[patent wing]

whats crab walk

[patent steeple]

I have yet to even get long bomb (one of the easiest challenging-to-complete penances of vet)...

[radiant frigate]

vet penance

[long wharf]

should only take a few heresy+ runs to do

[radiant frigate]

2500 kills while at 10 stacks of marksman's focus

[patent wing]

ah i thought sth like forward movement via sideway slides/dodges

[long wharf]

I am all for cheesing the ever loving shit out of penances where possible

[upper sun]

hell yeah

[radiant frigate]

using the modifier that generates stacks you can get it while meleeing things crouched

[upper sun]

bruh that sounds so stupid

[radiant frigate]

it is a strat i came up with so yes it is

simply set crouch to toggle and you can still dodge

[marble crater]

Throw it straight up into the air

[upper sun]

ammo mission during the end

[radiant frigate]

your fastest mode of movement is dodging sideways into the direction you want to go

for real crab gameplay

[patent wing]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-crab-knife-mg-excelsus-gif-26926901

[patent steeple]

you mean the modifier I always use with that keystone because I cannot hit ranged headshots on hordes/shooters ever?

[upper sun]

throw it at the entrance to the yard area

[radiant frigate]

yes

[vestal fulcrum]

You can also do Scattershot Manstopper Lawbringer shotty, which is what I did

[long wharf]

the mission where you guard one side of a bridge

[radiant frigate]

is that like a diet kickback or something

[patent wing]

btw is any1 here into crypto?

[radiant frigate]

no

[patent wing]

because initially i came here via CT

[vestal fulcrum]

You could think of it this way, yeah

[patent steeple]

what is Manstopper blessing for shotty? as in, what does it do?

[long wharf]

I will immediately report you to mods and then ignore you myself if you start talking about crypto

[paper lily]

manstopper is rly strong with certain builds

[vestal fulcrum]

Your critical shots have virtually infinite cleave

[paper lily]

manstopper zealot knife

[patent wing]

down bad?

[patent steeple]

ah, and its only tier 2 iirc, explains why I don't have it lmao

[long wharf]

manstopper is suboptimal knife-play

lacerate+mercy killer is optimal

[paper lily]

no i mean the throwing knives

[radiant frigate]

does zealot's scourge talent also give ranged crit

or just melee

[paper lily]

idk the exact wording

[radiant frigate]

unfortunate

[long wharf]

I'm dreading the throwing-knife penance for zealot

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s just melee Crit chance code-wise

[long wharf]

haven't started any zealot penances yet

[vestal fulcrum]

That one is easy. It basically completes itself

[long wharf]

isn't it 500?

[vestal fulcrum]

What doesn’t complete itself is backstabbing shooters out of coherency

[long wharf]

that's 500 knife throws

[upper sun]

ye 500 elite/specialist kills

[long wharf]

backstabbing ranged people sounds super easy

[paper lily]

not with manstopper scattershot

[vestal fulcrum]

Yeah, but you probably can kill a couple dozen elites/specials each game, so it’s relatively easy to achieve

[plucky flax]

Not when they turn around to face you

[long wharf]

at full speed and dodging, they can't stop you from getting behind them again

it's way too easy to just circle strafe and stab with the knife

unless you're a console peasant

which, frankly, I'm getting very tired of dealing with

I really wish I could disable crossplay

[plucky flax]

[long wharf]

the absolute worst players in the game are the console players

[vast thorn]

true

[long wharf]

I've met one or two decent players, but waaaaay too many absolute trash players

and I'm not using the word "trash" to mean "worse than me"

I mean players with zero situational awareness, not listening to audio cues, not listening to teammates, not following the team, wandering off getting killed at least 3 times

not picking up ammo at all or literally taking all the ammo they can

[late night]

What’s the point of running smite with surge? Like what situation do you pull blitz out

[long wharf]

most console veterans I've seen are jumping around like the game is CoD

[paper lily]

trash players are the most fun

hardest difficulty mod

[vestal fulcrum]

Surge can hit max 2 targets, so Smite can be used to kill more targets, or hold them for you to sneeze at them whenever you reach the peril threshold for max Venting Shriek value

[paper lily]

u wanted ammo? too bad that guy used 4 ammo crate charges to grab 1 ammo

[long wharf]

and he did it 4 times in a row

[vestal fulcrum]

Player etiquette is a luxury these days

[long wharf]

that's not true

you just have to know who you're playing with

player etiquette is much easier to come by when you're in a chat with them

[vestal fulcrum]

What if they don’t engage with any comms whatsoever

They just exist

[paper lily]

so a bot

[long wharf]

then you know you're in for a shitshow

[paper lily]

ngl my 'this is a shit player' marker is when they're jumping to dodge in a horde of trashmobs

[long wharf]

or they run up to a poxburster to shoot it

[paper lily]

actively barrel down the poxbursters mouth

saw one of those today

[ornate hamlet]

i never rebound my dodge i feel personally attacked

[late night]

So you pull out smite for big groups or mixed hordes?

[paper lily]

rebind ur jump

jumping midcombat is legit an i wanna die button

[long wharf]

way too many times I've dragged a team through a high heresy (I refuse to quickplay damnation) and when we extract, the messages scroll of first time completions

[paper lily]

outside of vaulting over shit

[ornate hamlet]

yeah ive stuck with it so long i no longer jump, but its stilll that same binding

cursed

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, for instance, but how you handle any situation is not always a 1/0 solution

There is complexity in using Smite to its fullest extent

[late night]

Yea that makes sense

[long wharf]

there's little to no complexity with using Smite properly

[paper lily]

there is

[ornate hamlet]

smite is so simple its boring

but you can ruin a game with it

[long wharf]

optimal use is to pause and knock down enemies that the team isn't dealing with

[late night]

I just don’t know when I’d use it over just surging

[long wharf]

sitting on smite for full peril gain is a waste of time

[paper lily]

optimal use is just frying everything in the game cuz it's op as fuck rn

[long wharf]

you could have been killing instead

[late night]

But everyone seems to use smite with surge

[long wharf]

Smite isn't OP at all

[paper lily]

they do that with untalented smite

smite is INSANELY op

[ornate hamlet]

if i see you smiting a single pox walker i will send an ogryn after you

[long wharf]

hard disagree

[vestal fulcrum]

You can. That’s what EP is for notably.

[strong gulch]

There was an unexploded burster on the ground with players standing away from it and watching it. So I blast it surge staff. After that first strike, a vet runs right as I strike it again and exploded. Same player shot a burster into their own face later.

[paper lily]

why do u disagree

[long wharf]

because it isn't OP

[supple dock]

Do you play the higher difficulties normally?

[late night]

Yes

[paper lily]

#psyker-class message every bit of dmg here is smite

[late night]

I’m just learning psyker

[supple dock]

Okay, with that being said, there are times where your team gets trapped against a wall, or are attacked by a FAT patrol of like 6 bulwarks, gunners, and a horde

[ornate hamlet]

surge is single target and smite hits pretty much everything

[supple dock]

That's when smite gets used

[ornate hamlet]

i wonder what the use it

[supple dock]

Smite is the "oh shit we need space" button

[paper lily]

my mainly surge build grabs a talented assail so

[late night]

Okay makes sense

Thanks

[long wharf]

how long did that run take?

[paper lily]

prob 32 mins or so

[long wharf]

you doing that much damage tells me that you were hard carrying the other two

[paper lily]

that number is big but make no mistake every single game i play looks like that

every single game\

[late night]

Is brain burst good dps vs monstrosities compared to other potential options like dueling sword

[paper lily]

i can post countless scoreboards looking the exact same smite only

[strong gulch]

Smite and creeping flames have a lot of synergy together. Surge staff lacks meaningful aoe and generates a lot of peril. Shouting at higher peril for max creeping flames is great. Smite is also great to just pause stuff.

[long wharf]

what is your build?

[paper lily]

ep smite

[supple dock]

I honestly have no idea how you guys pull that kinda damage off

[long wharf]

lemme see your tree

[supple dock]

I'm usually with a group that does 300-500 together

[long wharf]

play auric maelstroms

[supple dock]

I do.

[long wharf]

you can't see numbers that high otherwise

[supple dock]

Like exclusively

[vestal fulcrum]

You kill everything your team doesn’t contribute to killing. There’s no competing for damage when there’s nothing to kill

[strong gulch]

BB is decent and steady damage for spyker vs monstrosity, but if your are good at hitting monster weak points, DS4 can be better.

[supple dock]

#psyker-class message

[strong gulch]

Psyker's real mosnter damage is gun tho.

[supple dock]

My build is similar to this

Except I don't have 6 stacks of warp siphon and no soulstealer

I have wildfire and 5% ms

[strong gulch]

Psyker doesn't have the strongest the strongest monster tools.

[supple dock]

surge/smite

[long wharf]

wildfire is a noob trap

[late night]

Yea I usually play columnus gun psyker but im a little bored of it

[long wharf]

if you aren't taking the 6 warp charge final node, you're vastly better off dropping Wildfire for it

[supple dock]

I don't get 6 stacks often enough to want to use it

[long wharf]

I don't know why not, sounds like a skill issue

when I run warp siphon builds, I'm regularly at 6 when I need to be

[supple dock]

Because I use my ult off cooldown?

[long wharf]

outside of lone bosses

when I use venting shriek with soulblaze, I take the warp siphon node where you get warp charge chance on things dying while soulblazing

almost full stacks immediately after using ult

[supple dock]

Like, I usually get games where everyone is dealing like 400k

[long wharf]

that's absolutely not an auric maelstrom run

[supple dock]

Oh, this was auric

sec

This is auric maelstrom

[vestal fulcrum]

It looks like an Auric Damnation run

[vestal fulcrum]

as in, the first screen

the second one looks like one as well, Maelstrom or not

[supple dock]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I dunno what to tell you

[long wharf]

Creeping Flames + In Fire Reborn ensures you have max warp charges basically all the time

[vestal fulcrum]

I'm not doubting you, I'm doubting that take

[long wharf]

no matter how many times you ult at a crowd

[long wharf]

the total boss damage looked way too low

[supple dock]

Once again, idk what to tell you

The games I play have pretty equal damage

All around

I guess I just get better teammates than you do

It must be frustrating to play with people who can't carry their own weight

I don't experience that often though

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cold ivy]

Does in fire reborn need the kill to be from a soulblaze tick? E.g. if you're smiting and the smite damage kills the target instead, do you still get a chance for the charge

[long wharf]

nope

[cold ivy]

I have no idea how that node works so I've been running psychic vampire instead

[long wharf]

if the enemies dies while having soulblaze on them, In Fire Reborn procs

[cold ivy]

oh damn

must it be killed by me?

[supple dock]

Please tell me what I'm doing wrong to get equal damage across the board

[long wharf]

nope

[cold ivy]

double damn

that's some good shit

[long wharf]

you're playing with less shit people on average than me? congrats?

[supple dock]

I dunno, you said it was a skill issue on my part, but when I say I play with better players you get offended?

Lmao

[long wharf]

I usually play with friends, it's just when they're not on, and I play with randos, that the shitshows happen

who got offended?

you sure think highly of yourself

[supple dock]

Ah well. At least when I play with friends we have fun

It's pretty nice to play with a coherent team

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid sky]

In Fire Reborn is for purgatus basically

[supple dock]

What have I said that makes you think this?

[plucky flax]

1 more game

[supple dock]

All I said was I play with pretty good players

I never said "I'm a good player"

So how do I think highly of myself?

[long wharf]

because you think I care enough about what you say to get offended at something you say

[supple dock]

Then why are you being snarky here?

There's absolutely no need for it, nothing I've said deserves a snarky passiveaggressive response

No need to take it so personally man. Well, I guess you'll mature as you get older

[plucky flax]

[long wharf]

the irony is thick with this one

[supple dock]

So what did I say that deserves that reponse?

[supple dock]

This one, I mean

Please, explain it

I'm willing to work with you here man, I don't want to fight you

[long wharf]

what part of you aren't worth my time rubs you worst?

[supple dock]

But you were so willing to tell me I had a skill issue

And when I say I play with less shit players you get passive aggressive

Why?

[long wharf]

I haven't been passive aggressive

[supple dock]

That was passive aggressive

Snarky at the very least

[marble crater]

[long wharf]

you really should take a break from the internet

[supple dock]

Why won't you explain why you said it like that?

[long wharf]

go out and learn to talk to people

[supple dock]

What did I say that deserves a "Congrats?" in that way?

And why are you personally attacking me now?

I didn't say anything to you that was an insult or aggressive, except maybe saying you'll mature as you get older

I just wanna figure out the issue here man

We're existing in the same space and community so I'd rather not have this kind of interaction

[long wharf]

and yet you persist

[supple dock]

I want to know what caused the comment

So I can avoid it in the future

[long wharf]

nah, you just want to have an argument

which I'm not going to engage with

[supple dock]

So you won't tell me what I said to annoy you?

is it because you don't have a good reason?

I'm sure we can figure it out together.

<@&735928989146939404> Hey, can you guys help me figure out what I said wrong here? #psyker-class message

[long wharf]

@paper lily have you tested in the psykward if EP+Smite is boosting the damage of soulblaze by 200%?

[supple dock]

Because I'm trying to find out the reason but all I'm getting is personal attacks :/

[thin gull]

Guh

[fading galleon]

Time to move on from that topic and interaction. You won't learn anything valuable

[supple dock]

Frustrating. I'd like to avoid it in the future

[paper lily]

no i've never tested that, not sure why soulblaze would get boosted from it

[long wharf]

because it's damage that you're technically doing

[paper lily]

sure it's listed as warpfire

[long wharf]

it benefits from power boosting blessings on weapons

[paper lily]

yea but ep is tied to smite

[long wharf]

it might be a broken interaction with how Smite is coded

[supple dock]

But yeah, I guess I won't learn anything valuable

[long wharf]

oh boy, trust me, the code is a hot mess

[paper lily]

in the lua code it's really specific

eh it aint that bad

[long wharf]

... let's not open that can of worms right now

have you looked at the code for EP?

[paper lily]

Yeah

[supple dock]

But seriously, did I say anything that makes me seem pompus at all? I'm genuinely asking here

[paper lily]

Just the standard buff format really, tied to the blitz abilities

[long wharf]

what matters is how the buff is applied

[fading galleon]

I refer back to my first message

[long wharf]

if the smite damage buff is being treated as a general damage buff while smite is being used, then that 200% is being applied to soulblaze as well

[supple dock]

okay, okay.

[paper lily]

Being real if that was the case my blaze dmg would have gone up the same amount after the patch

It didn't so...

[long wharf]

... you're going to make me dig through Darktide's Lua...

ugh

[paper lily]

It's really not that bad

[long wharf]

I'd love to see what you consider bad, then

[paper lily]

Should see what I wrote in my early days

Good or bad really don't matter, if you can find the answer to the question it's good enough

[long wharf]

I hate digging through Lua as it is

[paper lily]

There's a conditional check with empowered grenades that specifies smite

[long wharf]

codebase the size of Darktide's is horrendous for Lua

empowered grenades?

you sure that it means smite and not BB?

I know assail is referred to as "daggers" in the Lua

[paper lily]

Ep works on all abilities

[rigid sky]

I think usually revolver is Flak elite but not sure about psyker specifically

[paper lily]

They just used grenades cuz that's what it is for every one else

[thick tiger]

Oh, this is on veteran, wrong chat sorry

[rigid sky]

Definitely Flak elite

[long wharf]

you're more likely to get a right answer here

[thick tiger]

Thanks still

[long wharf]

psyker chat is the most technically knowledgable of the chats

we're the ones digging through the game code

[rigid sky]

On that note

[supple dock]

[rigid sky]

What does enhanced blitz do for psykers?

[supple dock]

You still need hard mode twins?

[rigid sky]

The maelstrom bonus

[paper lily]

gives u 2 more assails

yippeee

or 3 can't remember

it's shit basically

[rigid sky]

Not available atm :/ not got the time right now

Nothing for the other 2?

[supple dock]

Damn. Alright, lemme know when you're free and I'll get some friends and we can do it

[paper lily]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c360c47fea34f68ece1dec4cfc8f0a482f9c161c/scripts/settings/buff/archetype_buff_templates/psyker_buff_templates.lua if u wanna look for urself

u can see the explicit smite declarations

[long wharf]

enhanced blitz is amazing for assail

you get 3 more shards, they recharge stupid fast, hit harder

I switch to assail psyker whenever I see enhanced blitz modifier for maelstroms

[rigid sky]

How about rupture and smite?

[marble crater]

Less peril?

[rigid sky]

Both of my EP builds run those

[long wharf]

I mean, why bother with BB or Smite when you have Assail? 🙂

personal preference.

[rigid sky]

Different builds, different blitzes

[long wharf]

I find assail far more engaging and fun than the alternatives

[rigid sky]

I like to use every part of the kit for different weapon configs

Got at least 1 build with every blitz ability keystone

[marble crater]

I tried surge, assail, shriek, DD yesterday

[paper lily]

wtf it deleted my shit

[long wharf]

assail with DD is so good now

[paper lily]

postpatch smite ep https://i.imgur.com/MZ7VTx8.png

[long wharf]

maybe you tried to paste too much?

[paper lily]

prepatch smite ep https://i.imgur.com/PQdS2xV.png

sorry, reverse them

lmao

[plucky flax]

Based.

[paper lily]

i can't get into dd

[long wharf]

DD is way better now

between stacks falling off one at a time and the target selection prioritizing distance from previous target (and about where you're looking)

[marble crater]

Surge was very strong, but I did miss the shorter shriek cooldown from warp charges and didn't like how much peril assail gave. Need to test some more

[rigid sky]

Always was

Lingering DD is so consistent though

[long wharf]

makes it very easy to get multiple DD stacks from a single group of qualified enemies

[rigid sky]

You can maintain 15 stacks pretty much indefinitely

[long wharf]

I hated how DD worked before

[rigid sky]

You rarely drop below 10

[long wharf]

now I prefer it with Assail

[rigid sky]

The other version of it spooks me a bit though

Especially since most of the time you can't see your stack

It makes voidstrike and guns feel so strong

And it does loads for your melee too

[paper lily]

surge doesn't benefit enough from dd to go beyond wc

[rigid sky]

When they fix the buff display I'll try the 25 stack version again but I feel like it's worse

[paper lily]

can't weakspot hit so u only main benefit from assail

which is k

[rigid sky]

Yeah I don't touch it for surge

It's strictly for Finesse ranged weapons imo

[long wharf]

I think stacks would still fall off too quickly

[rigid sky]

I do expect that

I feel like laspistol might be able to make it work

Because you get weakspot with it very reliably

You lose 3 stacks every 12s

So if you weakspot a blue boi before that you're still gaining stacks

[paper lily]

eh u can get caught in dd draughts where it just spawns shit that can't be dd'd

[rigid sky]

But rebuilding it after a checkpoint every time though

Yeah, the AI isn't friendly enough for it to be consistent enough like that yet imo

[thorn cedar]

it's still gonna take almost a minute and a half to completely lose those stacks

[paper lily]

i think they should just let dd work on specialists

[rigid sky]

I do suspect that the 10s duration is the better one

But I want to give 25 stack a try

[thorn cedar]

really it's all very dependent on your ability to score headshots

[rigid sky]

I'm also wondering about dropping the third point in DD

[thorn cedar]

and yes laspistol is best

[paper lily]

yeah but uhave to look at dd at 25 vs 15 in terms of 10 stacks, cuz there's no reason to get the 25 stacks if u can't keep it over 15

[rigid sky]

Lingering is so good now you might not need it

[paper lily]

40 seconds is still a lot tho

[long wharf]

you should be aiming for weakspots with DD anyways

[rigid sky]

Aiming for yea

CIAG sometimes just doesn't hit the head though

[long wharf]

the third point in DD rewards you in quick ramp-up for doing what you should be doing anyways

[rigid sky]

So on that build it would need to be Lingering imo

Like non negotiable

[paper lily]

maybe staff lmb dd 25 stack build is decent

[rigid sky]

But laspistol doesn't have that problem

[long wharf]

I stick with lingering

[thorn cedar]

when it comes to lingering vs. perfectionist it's just a question of your own output

if you run lingering and you are sometimes below 10 stacks, i would never bother with perfectionist

but if you are basically constantly maxed at 14-15 stacks, try perfectionist

[paper lily]

think it could possibly be map dependent

some maps seem so shit for dd

[thorn cedar]

after that it's whether it even matters

[long wharf]

I'd think you wouldn't have too much trouble on damnations getting over 15 stacks

[thorn cedar]

some weapons dont hit anything new for the 10 extra stacks in terms of BPs

[paper lily]

trust me u do

[long wharf]

it's really about enemy densities and engagement lengths

[paper lily]

enemy composition matters more

like if it just shits out a million groaners ur not getting stacks

[long wharf]

that's very true

[thorn cedar]

tbh from streamers ive watched (the few that even do DD) it's an issue of focus

they'll fight a group of bruisers and kill everything in the wrong order

[rigid sky]

I wish I knew how my upkeep was

Fucking display bug lmao

[paper lily]

better buff bar lets you see it

[thorn cedar]

if you deliberately farm out those stacks it is very easy to maintain

[long wharf]

just be glad it's only a display bug

[paper lily]

or whatever that mod is

you just have to put it on a custom bar

[thorn cedar]

so like if you really cant land a headshot every 12s then perfectionist is going to be awful

and just getting one blueboi kill every 4s for a single stack at a time isnt gonna cut it with perfectionist either

but if you DO ...

perfectionist is pretty wild

[rigid sky]

I feel like if I just had like an infinite onslaught I would do fine with perfectionist

[thorn cedar]

especially with all the other assail bonuses, and gaze on top

[paper lily]

need to play with a competent gun psyker just to see how the build compares to mine

never see decent ones

[thorn cedar]

even spectating you dunno what they're doing

cause you dont see their bluebois

[paper lily]

i just dunno what they're doing with all the extra damage they're supposed to have

feel like guns lacking cleave can be an issue for output

[long wharf]

with CIAG, you don't need a lot of cleave

everything is dying, regardless

[rigid sky]

CIAG is a mow the fuckers down gun

Accatran laspistol is a duel-with-shooters-forever gun

[paper lily]

idk, i've yet to see a compelling argument over a typical staff psyker

[rigid sky]

Less exciting but you can clear Gunner waves etc by ignoring suppression

[paper lily]

consuming ammo + doing the same as me in clear/dmg/whatever just isn't enough

they gotta do something better

[rigid sky]

It's good enough to be worth playing just for the fun factor

[paper lily]

u got me there

i just keep seeing ppl saying it's the 'meta' or best build or whatever

[wet belfry]

mobility

[long wharf]

DD+CIAG=dead bosses

it's the only boss kill build psykers have

[paper lily]

yeah but any dd psyker gets mobility

[rigid sky]

Yeah tbh I wouldn't really care to call any one build "the meta"

Since playstyle is a huge factor

[wet belfry]

Gun psyker can straight up just pull off better mobility, while having more toughness then a strong staff psyker build.

[rigid sky]

I think purgatus and surge could both be a little better

[paper lily]

idk, i've yet to see it

[rigid sky]

That's about it

[wet belfry]

This isn't a hypothetical

[paper lily]

its a hypothetical to me

[wet belfry]

this is just straight up how it works with the talents.

[rigid sky]

Trauma and Voidstrike are best tbh I think

But guns feel fucking great

[paper lily]

like there's nothing precluding u from using scriers with a staff

[wet belfry]

Its inefficient.

[rigid sky]

Death.

[paper lily]

idk, if scriers could account for 150-200k dmg per round i'd consider it

[thorn cedar]

i use scriers for most of my staves

[paper lily]

like i said, never seen a gun psyker come even close to performance of any of my builds

even my lazy ass ep smite build

[wet belfry]

pubs are bad anyways

ive hit over 1 mill damage with gun psyker builds.

[paper lily]

yeah but good people do pub from time to time

i play enough to see em

[rigid sky]

I think we were talking about this before

Gun psyker is also our hardest build to play

[near wyvern]

It's just so clunky interaction tho. If you could end the gaze with the press of a button it would be better

[paper lily]

scriers got that weird 50% threshold if u can micro it

[rigid sky]

So most people play more under what their build is capable of

[thorn cedar]

eh, i just get used to it

[near wyvern]

Ehh not really. Columnus goes brr

[rigid sky]

Or they outright fuck up their build

[thorn cedar]

ill charge an attack just to peak and then quell

you bet your ass i exploded a bunch at first tho

[rigid sky]

Gotta reload though, and your control is just killing stuff and dodging

[thorn cedar]

but just having 20% crit chance for 10-25s is a looooooot

[rigid sky]

Staves keep you alive better

[thorn cedar]

like forget everything else

[paper lily]

idk i'll change my opinion about it when i see someone doing significantly more than a staff build but for now i think it's weaker than any non ammo taking build just in terms of team management

[thorn cedar]

that alone makes scriers worthwhile

[rigid sky]

Yeah, crit is crucial

[thorn cedar]

the only reason people generally sitll wont is because fire shriek is ridiculous

[paper lily]

they need to make it follow the power scaling of the other variant

in which case i'll prob play scriers

[near wyvern]

Not true. Assail LMB staggers

[paper lily]

assail lmb applies a smite stagger on a ton of shit

[thorn cedar]

and tosses out almost instantly

still has flight time but

[paper lily]

swear its less than .25s to chuck an assail out

[thorn cedar]

doesnt take long to get it out

[near wyvern]

Knife keeps you alive better than any stave tho

[paper lily]

knife is like ez mode of this game

[plucky flax]

Only ogryn left.

[thorn cedar]

meh, ill take a deimos any way

[paper lily]

ogryn ezpz

[ornate hamlet]

any melee keeps you alive better than a staff

[paper lily]

no we must emulate our fellow veterans

[near wyvern]

Not true. Trauma allows you to walk within melee hordes

[long wharf]

knife is way too much clicking for me

[paper lily]

stare the enemy down while we get mauled in melee with our ranged weapon

[long wharf]

it's fun for a run or two, but then I get tired of it

[thorn cedar]

lmao

i was playing knife and mg4 all day yesterday

[plucky flax]

I play ogryn the least by far.

Boring class.

[paper lily]

they're way overtuned

[ornate hamlet]

unfortionatly

[long wharf]

I play ogryn almost as much as I do psyker

[thorn cedar]

idk, maybe my hands are just built different

[paper lily]

ogryn lucky bullet build is like insane damage

[long wharf]

your hands are probably 20+ years younger than mine, too

[ornate hamlet]

i at first played zealot, then vet, the ogryn then psyker

[paper lily]

reckon most of the ppl here are old in gaming terms but i could be wrong

[long wharf]

I have a god-rolled Achlys that is too much fun to not play

[thorn cedar]

im 33 tho

[paper lily]

ye i'm 36

[long wharf]

I'll be 45 this month

[plucky flax]

[long wharf]

not enough dakka