psyker-class

[mental grail]

Give him your extra rations. Or just mentally "suggest" the idea to him. Gosh, what are they teaching you newbies at the Scholastica Psykana?

[rich spindle]

I forgot if it procs on every headshot you get on collaterals

[supple dock]

mmm

[rich spindle]

Honestly surge void just seems okay and spending the extra points to get true aim seems like more just okay

[supple dock]

could drop warp siphon, true aim and movement speed, can get more toughness regen nodes and EP

[mental grail]

is the Vraks autogun still viable

what blessings are best?

[rich spindle]

Anything is viable 💯

[lethal lagoon]

DD got a huge change*, it's worth a try on void, and you'll free up a bunch of points so the tree won't be so strained up top

[rich spindle]

I dont think anyone uses the vraks lmao

Dont think ive seen it more than once

[potent echo]

DD on void lets you oneshot many things on non-crit feels great

[flat moat]

Im debating on trauma and voidstike right now, love voids great horde clear and how great it is against gunners, but traumas a amazing clutch staff with its stagger and how its a great all rounder. Anything one does better than the other that might made it pull ahead recently? I haven't played in while and haven't been checking the patch notes.

[supple dock]

trauma is better at horde clear if you have blazing spirit or wahtever it's called

But voidstrike with surge will eat elites

[flat moat]

hows it do against maulers and crushers, those are my biggest problems as psyker, aside from gunners

[rich spindle]

Trauma trivializes them

Nothing is a problem in melee to you with trauma staff

[mental grail]

Tbf I knock crushers off their feet with void

[potent echo]

Void will kill elites while also have light cc on the horde around

[mental grail]

Trauma is the better cc staff overall

[potent echo]

Also pierces whatever hordes infront of the elite

Yea trauma cc is unrivaled

But void gives you scoreboard top easier

[mental grail]

As we know, that's what matters

[potent echo]

Since you don't need to be at the frontline

[mental grail]

[potent echo]

See it and shoot it

Other people don't get to play

[mental grail]

I don't have to see it, just know it's general direction and rmb

cuts through the whole crowd

[rich spindle]

Sending everything 360 degrees around you to the floor on demand is just too powerful

[potent echo]

Kills whatever random elite was there

The only weakness of trauma is mutants and bosses

[rich spindle]

P much

Maybe not so good at spaced out trash gunners

[potent echo]

Void isn't much better at that

Hence assail

[flat moat]

Any trauma builds I can look at? I wanna try out a new staff I got but dont have a build for it yet

[rich spindle]

Does void still stunlock pogryns

[lethal lagoon]

3 free points.

Pretty basic Trauma build, the 3 points cover a lot of the disagreement about what's best.

quietude, EE, wildfire, Kinetic resonce, 6 warp charges, KD, are some of the popular choices.

If you don't peril edge, BM is also an option

[supple dock]

so wait why BB with trauma?

[lethal lagoon]

Blaze Trauma? Cause there's literally no reason to ever use smite on Blaze Trauma

Assial can be argued, but losing pysch aura on a blaze trauma build is iffy

The primary point is that this is a "Orthodox Blaze Trauma" set up

[rich spindle]

Heres what I use for blaze

[lethal lagoon]

Assial Blaze definitely isn't orthodox.

[supple dock]

aah

[rich spindle]

Oh pretty much the same thing as atlas

[supple dock]

Since assail and blaze cover the same thing

yeah that makes sense

[flat moat]

why shriek over bubble?

[lethal lagoon]

I can't do this again today.

[rich spindle]

Lol

[lethal lagoon]

Bubble bois

[rich spindle]

Easiest damage spam in the game

[lethal lagoon]

Jokes aside, Flaming shriek is easily one of if not the strongest ability in the game.

[rich spindle]

Insane total damage boost

[lethal lagoon]

And it synergizes with Blaze Trauma

Every single non elite in this will die.

All mobs, shooters, ranged mobs, etc.

[flat moat]

[lethal lagoon]

Combined with Blaze, tons of elites will die.

Similarly, 2 crits will kill all non elites in this circle

[rich spindle]

If a massive horde spawns behind you you can just look at them once press F and turn back around

[lethal lagoon]

You get 2 crits with blaze, shriek, and most things will die in that circle.

More visualization for flaming shriek

It's just a dumb ability

I'm also pretty sure it's bugged and not supposed to spread 6 stacks on it's whole area but they haven't fixed it for half a year

I don't think they ever will

[supple dock]

also also, shriek is also just much more versatile than bubble

Bubble excels at ONE thing

[lethal lagoon]

Shriek also kills snipers btw

[supple dock]

Venting shriek can do many many many more things

Yep

[rich spindle]

Gettong dogs off teammates through walls and floors is so good

[supple dock]

^

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, keep in mind with that vertical looking doesn't change shriek elevation.

Only horizontal.

So back up a bit if the dog is right below you, see image above

[strong gulch]

yip

[supple dock]

The moment I hear a dog growl my eyes look at ally hp bars, it's red, i look around, bam free ally and continue fighting

[rich spindle]

Bubble might be better on pox gas

[lethal lagoon]

Anyways, Bubble seems good but it's just not that good.

Kind of like base smite with no shriek, or warp charges, or EP. It feels really good, but in reality, you aren't doing a whole lot.

Bubble Smite is the ultimate you feel like you are doing a lot build

[rich spindle]

This game seems skewed toward just moar dps over defensive buffs or cc

[lethal lagoon]

It's a horde shooter, the answer to any problem is death.

[spice veldt]

damage and stagger are very free and you ultimately don't sacrifice that much to get stagger

e.g., trauma

[lethal lagoon]

^

[spice veldt]

the baseline stagger of a lot of things really needs to get shot in the kneecaps

[supple dock]

However if you have another psyker on your team then venting shriek becomes kinda redundant

[lethal lagoon]

On that topic, smite usage can reduce the damage of things like Trauma, cause it doesn't let enemies bunch up.

[supple dock]

because you'll overwrite the fire

[spice veldt]

it doesn't overwrite

[lethal lagoon]

That's only for score.

[spice veldt]

it stacks

[supple dock]

Oh?

Thought it overwrote it

[spice veldt]

soulblaze stacks between other players

[supple dock]

that's actually sick

[lethal lagoon]

Ego wise I hate playing with other great psykers, it feels yucky and of course score issues, but in reality it rips a game apart.

When we both flaming shriek a horde within a second of each other

[supple dock]

I've been playing with another great psyker lately and it's so much fun lmao

[lethal lagoon]

But at the same time the game is so easy

So it's a balance

[supple dock]

Iunno. I think at its core it's a pretty difficult game

[rich spindle]

Iirc purg staff doesnt stack between two players?

[lethal lagoon]

I meant two+ great psykers together triviliaze a lot of content.

In a way other classes don't

[strong gulch]

Top and bottom do not go together but I somehow don't hate it.

[lethal lagoon]

It stacks up to 31

[supple dock]

This is fair, but even then shit can happen

[lethal lagoon]

Shit can indeed happen

[spice veldt]

the stack count doesn't add on top of each other

[thorn cedar]

ive won at least a dozen two-man pub aurics before

its really just ...

[lethal lagoon]

I thought 31 was max even if you have three staves?

[thorn cedar]

two good players can trivialize the game lol

[lethal lagoon]

Did that change or was I lied to?

[spice veldt]

31 is generally the max cap just cuz shriek and something else i forgot has the same cap

but multiple sources don't add on top of each other

[rich spindle]

2 stacks from player 1 and 2 stacks from player 2 = 4 stacks on mob?

[spice veldt]

if your purg staff is limited to 15 stacks, you can only ever push the existing soulblaze instance on an enemy up to 15 stacks

and if another player purgs it with another 15 stack purg staff, they can also only apply up to 15 stacks

it does not add up to 15 + 15 = 30

[lethal lagoon]

Ohhh, yeah that makes more sense

[thorn cedar]

yea but EMOTIONALLY

its worth so much more

[spice veldt]

so true

[rich spindle]

We do need a higher difficulty level, now that hundreds of hours of playtime is becoming more common

[thorn cedar]

anything to get me away from these fucking quitters lately

[rich spindle]

Lol fr

So many shitters with the maelstrom title

From cheesing it

[thorn cedar]

it's made it meaningless

[lethal lagoon]

I did an auric mael duo with 1 other person as a lvl 6, so even 1 person can

[rich spindle]

How many hours yall got

[lethal lagoon]

No idea, I afked a ton.

[spice veldt]

2.8k maybe

but i afk a lot

and do psykhanium grinding

[thorn cedar]

2.915

and yes, same as above

[supple dock]

1.4k

[lethal lagoon]

I guess combined true level of all characters is a better measure

[thorn cedar]

i have to smoke two joints, clear a line, and light up at least three bowls of crystal between every round

[rich spindle]

Tru

[thorn cedar]

its the only way to PERFORM

[spice veldt]

when i looked back at my stats at 2k hours, i think i only had 800 hours of my psyker in-game when looking over at the darkti.de website

[thorn cedar]

if i had to guess 800hrs is the amount of 'dead time' i have

not that i would call psyk grinding totally dead, but it's not giving me exp

[rich spindle]

1k ish hours seems to be the level where you can carry maelstrom from what ive seen checking peoples steam accounts

[spice veldt]

i probably just have 50% of my time straight up being dead time because of psykhanium grinding

they should remove the psykhanium to prevent this

[thorn cedar]

and all the times u explod

you can also tell who's been playing a lot 'lately'

they're the people who actually respond to the pox bomber soundcues

[spice veldt]

solution: don't play psyker at all

[cosmic sigil]

They should make psykanium penances

[mellow prairie]

sooo true

[lethal lagoon]

I've always expected them to make like a series of competency challenges or something in the pysch

It's such free content

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah lol

[lethal lagoon]

I expected modders to do some stuff like that in the pysch too, but I suppose it doesn't work like I think it does.

[lunar hollow]

it took me forever to register it as a noise

and now the dude just reminds me of a skaven and i am alerted to his presence

[mellow prairie]

almost everything on psyker is obtuse to use... everything except brain rupture. Brain rupture my beloved
Smite doesn't do enough damage, I keep forgetting to use shriek, bubble shield is not as effective as it should be, scrier's gaze is supposed to clutch but never is able to.
Warp siphon and empowered psionics never triggers when you want it to, disrupt destiny always marks some random target that's behind a wall.
But yeah it is all worth it for brain rupture

[spice veldt]

psyker is p neat and is the class of having really good swap timings

just that there's not much to waffle about with the tree

and similarly not very much in terms of warp weapons

[rich spindle]

I like that psyker is the easiest/safest damage spam with staffs

No ammo no melee mechanics just spam

[lethal lagoon]

Run this with Surge Staff. Spam Surge and F, it's very straightforward

[rich spindle]

Good build

[lethal lagoon]

This is the "basic bitch" Surge build

[rich spindle]

With illisi for equal braindead horde clear

[lethal lagoon]

[spice veldt]

playing other classes has dropped my brain activity so much that i can no longer play psyker without blowing myself up frequently

[tiny oracle]

ive been really enjoying columnus mk5 autogun gunker recently

[rich spindle]

Columnus sg is prob the most broken damage scaling in the game

[tiny oracle]

after using that staves just feels lackluster

i do feel more vulnerable though as i dont have the reliable stagger opportunities of staves

[rich spindle]

Staves dont have to chase after DD stacks and are tankier with quellinng

I like the consistency of staffs across all armor types

[tiny oracle]

The DD buff changed gunker significantly for the better

[rich spindle]

Tru

[tiny oracle]

just felt like shit loosing all of your stacks at once

[rich spindle]

I wish SG was more like unchained from vt2

Columnus SG feels like playing cod zombies but you just press F on cooldown

[tiny oracle]

also i miss not having to fight everyone for ammo, columnus can be a bit ammo hungry

[rich spindle]

At least it isnt bolter lol

[tiny oracle]

had one game with 2 bolters

everyone running for ammo drops

[brazen warren]

gunker with columnus, pop scriers and 2 mag every monstrosity, huge boost to toughness generation, smite for flexability

[restive slate]

So I heard Destiny got nerfed?

[mighty olive]

Wat? DD was buffed imo xD

Stacks fall off one at a time now like warp charges too

[wicked hornet]

what % do you want for crit on surge?

[lethal lagoon]

The general opinion is DD got buffed, but for people who didn't have trouble maintaining stacks, it was a nerf.

[true lake]

after using this brain rupture with shield build, i got to agree its nutty af

[potent echo]

BR EP shield kinda real

[true lake]

almost brings me back to when assail was busted af lol

just chewing through all the specials and using my purgatus for hordes

[potent echo]

BR EP doesn't do your taxes though

[true lake]

unfortunately

[wicked hornet]

what build?

[true lake]

second image here

with a slaughterer deimos and purgatus to back it up

[tiny oracle]

technicly it was both buffed and nerfed, stack duration was changed from 15(30) to 4(10) and max stacks from 15(30) to 15(25) but it now decays one stack at a time instead of loosing all of your stacks at once

[lethal lagoon]

Dual shield BB builds are nice

Reminds me of the old days of BBing

[true lake]

the ability to quickly not only block a bunch of ranged but also chew through specials and elites

goes crazy

also stun specials if they walk through it

[lethal lagoon]

I like dropping a shield in front of like a shotgunner/gunner pack and just BBing them to death till PC get's high enough

Feels really space magey

[tiny oracle]

best part of shield is watching a beast of nurgle recoil themselves with their own puke

[true lake]

lol

honestly this build feels very easy to stay on top of peril quell too

[strong gulch]

Put the cup on the bug

[true lake]

im just so glad how much this talent system fixed most of the gameplay imo

more control and so many funny combo

[cinder moon]

bubble on pox gas is literally just for movetech, trying to stay in the bubble will get you corrupted or killed

[rich spindle]

Yeah

Sometimes you gotta stay in the gas a little longer than you want and the bubble helps

But honestly theres so many health stims idk

[cinder moon]

pox gas is more of an annoyance than a challenge

lights out is still the best environmental modifier

[rich spindle]

I really like the enemy speed buff

Green buffed muties are blazing

Loghts out rules

Only thing that still gets me tense

[cinder moon]

walkin into a room, tagging a few times, and seeing 6 crushers in your face

https://tenor.com/view/kyoshi-gif-25351466

[ornate hamlet]

praise be anticipation

[rich spindle]

Noob Smite spam actuslly goes kinda hard on lights out

Its like tagging everything for a second

[cinder moon]

it's so prety sibling! such colours!

smytker in the corner like

https://tenor.com/view/rat-rainbow-rainbow-rat-party-party-rat-gif-15295946645615339051

[modest crane]

does psychic leaching stack with how many charges of empowered psionics you have?

[ornate hamlet]

i pretty sure you just get 15% toughness when you use a stack of emp psionics no matter how many stacks

with psychic leaching

[modest crane]

👍 thats what i was thinking it was thx

[ornate hamlet]

btw whos idea was it to make malleus monstronum private game only, whyyyyy.

[cinder moon]

hopefully it gets unprivated soon

[modest crane]

it works even on lvl 1 missions

[cinder moon]

literally no reason for it to be private with the damage requirement dropped to 50%

[ornate hamlet]

yeah its my only psyker penance left to do

[cinder moon]

same

[modest crane]

you can solo a sedition game and see if you can spawn a monstrosity

[ornate hamlet]

oh yeah let me just go boot up solo

oh wait

[cinder moon]

need to be in a fireteam to make a private match

[modest crane]

oh i didnt know

pretty sure it works still

on sedition i mean

[ornate hamlet]

yeah maybe one day

[modest crane]

wait im stupid

malleus monstrum is heresy only

[ornate hamlet]

lmao i wasnt gonna say a thing i swear

[modest crane]

i was thinking of zealots priv game penance

nvm thats heresy only too

i need to read more

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-embed-fail-epic-embed-fail-epic-embed-gif-20019016

[lethal lagoon]

I envy you and your youthful eyes

Lights out is easily the worst modifer for me and it's why I almost never do auric quickplay

Surge lightning in darkness

👨‍🦯

[strong gulch]

Huh. I just blew up from a BB that was locked on to a target and cast beginning at 92%.

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[strong gulch]

actual footage of irl me.

[ornate hamlet]

did you get hit and have it reset while at 100% and not notice it?

[upper galleon]

when that happens it's usually cause it got reset at the last second to a differetn target and you lose that safety shield

[cosmic sigil]

i'm probably older... i use my memories to navigate in the dark

[lethal lagoon]

I have blue eyes, it's more about the pain of the extreme constrast that has gotton way worse with age.

At least I think that's a blue eyes thing

Maybe it's only an astigmatism thing

[strong gulch]

True, but no one was killing these specific targets. So idk. I was having some desync issues; maybe that's related.

[lethal lagoon]

That shouldn't be possible in normal gameplay, it only happened back when you could bug BB to safely cast at 100%.

So probably dsync, yeah.

Or maybe I'm just too dumb to have ever noticed it

If someone kills your BB target at the last second, you don't retarget, you just get "credit" for the kill in terms of peril and talents.

[strong gulch]

The whole round's timing seemed off. It was probably a combo of me and the desync.

[cosmic sigil]

i have blue eyes and gray hair

[lethal lagoon]

So I have just weak little eyes then

[cosmic sigil]

YES

but yeah, i have developped a bit of astigmatism around the mid thirties

and driving during the night is not that comfortable

[mellow prairie]

this (red box) is what you should try to get close to 380, right?

I've been told about the 380 but IDK about the other numbers. and respective rating

[lethal lagoon]

I dunno if you live in the U.S but that's gotten way worse for me the past few years. So many trucks and SUVs with lights that look like they are always on full brights.

[restive slate]

Hows the new patch, I don't know when I'll return to Darktide yet haha

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, that's an easy metric.

I don't think this patch is worth returning for, I'd wait for some more content

For force sword the dump is warp resist and then mobility.

[restive slate]

Fair, I see a lot diving instead these days

[lethal lagoon]

So you don't nessarily need to shoot for 380

[cosmic sigil]

i live in New Caledonia, a french semi autonomous island near Australia

it's very dark outside the capital city

and everbody drives a truck

a lot of pavement princesses too

but yeah i feel the pain

[mellow prairie]

yes I am familiar with the dump stat, most people say mobility can be low as long as everything else you want is close to 80%
Can you explain the other numbers? The Rating (348), the perk rating (30), and blessing (25). I'm under the impression that the latter two don't matter as much because you can reroll them?

[lethal lagoon]

There's no need to look at anything other than the base rating.

In terms of ratings

[cosmic sigil]

check the pinned guide ;0

i cannot tell what's normal and full brights tbh

[mellow prairie]

which pin are you referring to

[cosmic sigil]

there's a chapter dedicated to weapons

[ornate hamlet]

yeah but short hand, weapon stats up to 380, perks up to 50 and blessings up to 120

max those numbers can get

so the unicorn of weapons would total 550 rating

[mellow prairie]

Oh I read that one yesterday

I'm not sure it says what I'm looking for

it has a chapter on weapons but it goes over what perks and blessings are good

I'm more looking for what the numbers mean.
What does Perk 💠 30 mean. What does Blessings 💠 25 mean. The highest Modifiers can get is 380. What is the highest that Perks and Blessings can get?

[pallid spindle]

Perks and blessings have 4 potential levels each (though some blessings only exist at some levels). The highest they can get is level 4, represented by a symbol with 4 filled in sides

But what matters (except, maybe, for rolling blessings) is not the perk or blessing's contribution to item level, it's the magnitude of its actual effect. "This perk gives 25 item level" is irrelevant, "this perk gives +25% maniac damage" is good and relevant.

[mellow prairie]

ok. So from what I understand, the magnitudes for the relevant stats should be as close to 80 as possible. And this holds true for not just the modifiers like damage/warp resistance, but for the perks like +20% carapace damage as well?

[pallid spindle]

The perks go up to level 4, not 80%

[mellow prairie]

Oh, ok.

[pallid spindle]

For example, in that screenshot, the carapace perk has 3 pips and is +20%. A perfect carapace perk has 4 pips, which gives +25%

[mellow prairie]

So from my understanding,
perks cannot be rerolled. Blessings can be rerolled and can be added from other guns by votive offering.
To have the "perfect" gun, you'd want the modifiers to be as close to 80% as possible, for stats that you care for. Then you'd want the two perks you have to be the ones you want. Then you can repeatedly reroll the two blessings for the ones you want.
Am I understanding this correctly?

[pallid spindle]

no

[ornate hamlet]

perks can be rerolled and so can blessings, however you only get to modify 2 of em before the other 2 get locked

[mellow prairie]

ohhh ok

[pallid spindle]

whichever two of perks or blessings you modify can be modified as many times as you want

[mellow prairie]

To have the "perfect" gun, you'd want the modifiers to be as close to 80% as possible, for stats that you care for. Then you'd want at least two perks or blessings that you want. And then you can repeatedly reroll the last two perks/blessings for the ones you want.

[ornate hamlet]

lets say i had a deimos force sword, and i wanted to make me a good one just min maxed. For the stats i would accept anything about 370-380 is and i would try and have one stat that i dont care for (in this case it would be warp resistance) be the lowest while makeing sure the stat i cared for (finesse) was as close to 80 as possible

then i would go to hadron spen 200-300 plasteel and throw it away because it gave me infexted and unarmored damage with the finesse on dodge but thats a different story

[pallid spindle]

on a weapon with multiple reasonabl

[ornate hamlet]

but you would then try to get 2 things you want either perk or blessing and reroll the other two

[mellow prairie]

ok so I think I understand it , then

[pallid spindle]

reasonable dump stats it doesn't necessarily need to be 370-380

it's about how high the relevant stats are

[ornate hamlet]

eh when you get alot of docets you get picky

but about 350-380 is reasonable late game no issues

[mellow prairie]

When upgrading, does going from blue to purple to gold do anything? Other than change its rarity. From my understanding hadron can upgrade the rarity, right? Does it increase its modifiers %? Does increasing its rarity increase the levels of its perks or blessings?

[pallid spindle]

doubt someone asking these questions is in a position to be picky immediately

[potent echo]

More blessings more perks

Base stats never change

[mellow prairie]

the max is 2 and 2

so I take it that the rarities under gold have <2 blessings and <2 perks?

[potent echo]

Yea you get rolled 2 perks and 2 blessing randomly

Green - 1 perk
Blue - 1 perk 1 blessing
Purple - 2 perk 1 blessing
Gold - 2 2

[mellow prairie]

So basically if you have 1 perk you like and 1 blessing you like, and the stats are all good, it is a good candidate to hold on to and reroll.

[potent echo]

Yea some people roll to blue then decide whether to keep going

Some yolo to gold go big or go home

[ornate hamlet]

yep, oh and hold on to some weapons you dont like because upgrading them to unlock blessings is something your gonna have to do

[potent echo]

Yea make sure to extract blessings that you don't have on weapons you don't want

[mellow prairie]

So if you have Executor level 2 on a weapon but you wanted Executor level 3. There's no way to get around that, other than "rerolling" it, and taking up one of your 2/4 reroll slots.

[mellow prairie]

you are referring to votive offering, yeah?

[potent echo]

You can't reroll a better executor if it's already on a weapon

[ornate hamlet]

yep

[mellow prairie]

oh that sucks

[mellow prairie]

oh that sucks even more

[mellow prairie]

so if you have a good perk but it's a low level you basically have a dud

[potent echo]

But you can extract a level 2 executor and use it for anything else forever

So eventually you want to collect all level4 blessings

[potent echo]

Yea unless you want to yolo to purple and gold

[ornate hamlet]

some noteworthy ones to lookout for are shred, slaughter, and uncannystrike oh and you have to do that for each weapon type... if you get them on dueling swords it doesnt unlock them for forceswords and vice versa

[mellow prairie]

so the best roll already has two level 4 blessings/perks you already want.
If you have two blessings/perks that are not max level, you are basically comitting to having them be your two rerolls on that gun.
Am I understanding this correctly?

[mellow prairie]

And I take it that some people are happy with a mix of level 3 and 4 blessing/perks. But some people want to have the best roll so they try to have four level 4 blessing/perks?

[potent echo]

It's not a "reroll" you get to pick what you want

[mellow prairie]

yeah so basically you are hoping for RNG to get two level 4s you want. And the other two you can votive offering off of other weapons you have.

Is that the correct understanding of it?

[ornate hamlet]

the difference between a lvl 4 and lvl 3 blessing sometimes makes no noticable difference and sometimes just isnt worth it

[potent echo]

Yea you just want 2/4 with good stats for optimal weapon

But you don't need optimal weapons

• depends on the weapon

[ornate hamlet]

you can run this game with greys

culumnus is a disgusting example

[potent echo]

Or more accurately you don't need optimal weapons to start having fun with this game

It's not a gear grind mmo where you build suddenly becomes viable/broken based on gear rolls

[mellow prairie]

yeah I just want to have the proper understanding of reroll mechanics down because I will hit level 30 soon so I will start doing that

I am not actively rerolling anyhting right now

[potent echo]

You should start crafting after 30 yea

Because those weapons will stay

Early weapons with like 100-300 base power gotta go

[mellow prairie]

I have designs upon a shredder autopistol and an Illisi sword that I wish to get good rolls for

can you speak on curios

and how they are rerolled

Is it the same case? That they have four slots so you want to get at least two slots with the ones you want

[true lake]

you dont even really need to reroll them much, just get them and upgrade them upwards then change out stats here and there

only real reason to go crazy into it is if you are min maxing them and want very specific things

they arent like weapons where you know they are useless right out the gate or not with their stats

[potent echo]

There are only a few examples of blatantly OP blessings, you can learn about them in the psyker Atheneum

uncanny

[pallid spindle]

A curio has one primary bonus and 3 secondary perks. You can't change the primary stat, so a good curio has a good primary stat, and a secondary bonus that you want in one of the 3 perk slots

wound curios always give +1 wounds, stamina curios max out at +3 stamina, toughness curios max at +17% toughness, and health curios max at +21% health

[mellow prairie]

so one from left column and three from right column

[pallid spindle]

Yes, and you can only change the right column

[mellow prairie]

Can the three from the right column be identical? Or you have to have three different ones

[pallid spindle]

different

[mellow prairie]

dang

[pallid spindle]

This means you can take each perk up to 3 times total, because you can't have duplicates on the same curio, but you can have the same perk on different curios in your 3 curio slots

for example +10% dockets on all your curios to max money

[mellow prairie]

I'll probably reroll the curios first then

before I reroll my weapons

[pallid spindle]

I think curios are usually much less impactful than weapons, if that changes your calculus any

Additionally, the best way to get curios is to wait for a decent-looking one to enter the shop; you can't just spam dockets at them like you can with weapons

[mellow prairie]

because weapons you have to look for good modifier %'s (close to 80%). and then have two slots that you want.
But for curios, you only need to have two slots that you want, and then you can start rerolling from there on out.
So wouldn't it stand to reason you'd encounter a good curio rerolling candidate before you encounter a good weapon rerolling candidate? Right? I think so.

[pallid spindle]

So the number of curios you can roll is much more limited

[mellow prairie]

I'll have to keep that in mind. I wasn't really in the market to spam dockets for weapons either 😛

[true lake]

I'm still biased for my slaughterer

makes my deimos feel like an illisi

[near wyvern]

Why not uncanny + slaughterer?

[true lake]

because I was unlucky and had deflector instead

[gloomy magnet]

deflector saved my life

from biubiubiu hordes

[royal ibex]

deflector really is one of those perks that you tend to miss when you dont have it

[upper sun]

and not use it when you do

[vestal fulcrum]

I never miss Deflector

clueless

[gloomy magnet]

ranged fire is so brute

[vestal fulcrum]

There’s means to mitigate it

Aggression is the best one

[gloomy magnet]

even my ogryn with pain-killer can be hit to die very sooon

[royal ibex]

this is what ive been using for a while, should really swap one of the percentages around but eh

[half iron]

i always miss

[plucky flax]

Same. I got terminal cancer until I found deflector.

[gloomy magnet]

I'm Sagittarius

[potent echo]

biubiubiu hordes

[patent wing]

deflector is so useless imo

1 gunner deletes your tougness in like 2 seconds

[marble crater]

DS4 doesn't have deflector, so I also don't use it on force swords

[half iron]

the catachan combat blade does not have deflector

[short jasper]

is it just me or is the buff icon for disrupt destiny broken? it decays every 3 seconds, even with the 10sec node, although i somehow get progress on my "maintain 15 stacks" penance

[half iron]

the buff is still there, but the hud currently cannot handle it. you may also have it confused with the little 2 second speed boost/other it gives you on blue man kill

[marble crater]

Yeah, that short buff is the one for killing something, the stacks are visually bugged

[short jasper]

ohhh, that explains a lot, thanks!

[marble crater]

EP is also visually bugged for me sometimes

[half iron]

the visual bug is my screen being addictively covered in smite

[short jasper]

dont harass a small indie company about visual bugs /s

[marble crater]

Sorry

[short jasper]

In the name of all crack-rat-zealots:
we appreciate the stuns

[half iron]

john/jane fatshark buffed ep smite for the new penances

[short jasper]

jeah, but smite still feels more like a support skill, even if you can kill hordes with ep

the true value in auric comes from the 15 stunned crushers

[potent echo]

I witnessed another 2 reject pancake the other day, glorious

[marble crater]

Smite, smite, smite, stop to quell, see team get killed by 3 overheads

[potent echo]

Take out your uncanny stick and 👨‍🦯

[rigid sky]

Anyone have much success with the 25 stack Disrupt Destiny yet?

I would guess it's more for HI5+ since the enemy body count isn't enough to support it on regular damnations

[potent echo]

I don't like the 25

Until the day specials can become tagged

Or ogryns

[rigid sky]

I've just had the chance to do one game with the 10s duration one so far

[potent echo]

It feels really good

You can fight bosses with 10-14 stacks

[rigid sky]

Since I've just played with my GF since the patch and she's one-tricking gun lugger atm so I don't want go gunker

And voidstrike is probably the build I'm least confident on

[potent echo]

Voidassail brr

[rigid sky]

I love it but I feel like I suck with it

[rigid sky]

Yeah that's the one

[potent echo]

What's the struggle?

[rigid sky]

Mental load

[potent echo]

With DD?

[rigid sky]

With aiming voidstrike mostly

It's the staff itself

I just don't play it as much so I'm less good with it so I don't play it as much so etc etc

I'm sure if I got some more reps in I'd feel better with it

My last game with it went great

[potent echo]

Me with any non uncanny psyker melee

You mean I can't delete crushers in 3 seconds?

[austere crest]

what should i make

[potent echo]

you tell me i have 240k

[upper sun]

nothing

stop interacting with the crafting system

[potent echo]

headhunter gun for psyker idk

[austere crest]

ok yah i maybe have a missing blessing somewhere on there

nope got em all

i keeps

[potent echo]

we're so ready for the new psyker staff

anytime now fatshark

[plucky flax]

Play another class.

[austere crest]

theyre so boring, i just did the dumbest fail possible on a pre planned route. tox gas threw my timing off and I went right over left. i still have work to do on psyker DX

[potent echo]

lmao the ogin died immediately

[upper sun]

finally made the jump from sedation to uprising(low) so rough bros

[supple dock]

me and psyker tried like 3-4 times and could not do that maeltrom lmao

pubs be like

[rigid sky]

Tbh with the survivalist nerf I'm staying on LI sedition.

Can we have a difficulty below sedition?

Where you just walk through the map and there aren't any heretics

[upper sun]

so tru so tru game is unplayable now took me 5 days to do the vet weeklies

[rigid sky]

I also want full plasteel from it

[upper sun]

ignore plasteel

itll just make you angry

[austere crest]

it was torture

[marble crater]

I would enjoy that to appreciate the level design, not a lot of opportunities to look at it when you get thrown around in fire and tox gas

[drowsy meadow]

Could someone help me with malleus monstrum ? I'll be glad to help back

[plucky flax]

Stay in sedition with me.

[supple dock]

#vox-lfg-nasa

[upper sun]

huh ogryn charge lets you negate fall damage

[marble crater]

Ogryn is op

[potent echo]

ogryn farts as he runs so it cushions falls

[static needle]

Sick melk contracts today

[gloomy magnet]

collect 12 poopoo books; complete 8 missions without death

my shark is so fat...

[upper sun]

woah are you saying getting contracts that your team has to do as well isnt engaging and fun?

[paper lily]

legit considering running unyielding on my surge staff cuz of bulwark hp increase

[potent echo]

does it open them up though

with the power boost

[paper lily]

don't care about that cuz i do surge cancel tech

[plucky flax]

Bulwark is not dangerous for surge. We can slowly wither it down.

[paper lily]

eh i had 2 clutch situations today that i lost cuz it just took too fucking long to get the pc train rolling

it does change the bp

and lately at least ime crushers are significantly more rare than bulwarks

[plucky flax]

What do you have now? I have flak maniac and still so very well post patch.

[paper lily]

was just running flak and elites

most maniacs i kill with assail or ds4

and i'm not too bothered about flamers

[plucky flax]

I run with smite so I only spam surge.

Good for specials killing.

[snow grotto]

Sup spark heads,
What's everyone running on a voidstrike these days ?

[paper lily]

yea i mostly play surge as well

assail is for weaving and just proxy killing hordes

i cancel tech that too

rather have a blitz im gonna use over just a travel node

[upper sun]

nexus/flurry or flurry/transfer or surge/nexus

[static needle]

Have they changed it so it acts on enemy kills where they die not from soulblaze (but while burning)?

[snow grotto]

And perks ? Crit chance & carapace ?

[upper sun]

for surge/nexus yeah i like crit chance

ccarap is for one shotting crushers

really anything you can get

[static needle]

Does wildfire also proc when enemies dont die from fire (but are still burning)?

[plucky flax]

Yes

[snow grotto]

ty, will try a few things, got a surge/nexus to toy with

[plucky flax]

If dead corpse is on fire it can spread.

[static needle]

Do you vent at max blaze stacks at 86% or 100%?

[upper sun]

depending on the staff i use if im comfortable going 90+ with it then higher than 86

finally got SG penance

time to never use it again

[static needle]

SG is baller

for gunpsyker

[upper sun]

yeah

but if wanted to use guns id play vet

[static needle]

what difference does it make

[upper sun]

im more likely to blow up with shit like surge than any other staff so i tent to vent sooner

[plucky flax]

84+

[static needle]

are you 100% positive its 84 and not 86?

[plucky flax]

It's 83% actually but the peril can round up. So if you're at 82.7 it'll say 83 but you won't make 6 stacks.

So I do it at 84+ to be safe.

[hearty dagger]

I would like to start a session of prayer to the emperor for Psyker to get a good looking helmet this thursday

[supple dock]

wildfire is deceptively strong

originally thought it was garbage

now i run it lol

[supple dock]

85%

But I usually save it for 100% so I can continue charging my staff and not get inerrupted by blowing up

[plucky flax]

[supple dock]

don't judge me

i have made mistakes, i am better now

[hearty dagger]

Thy buffoonery is in the past, yet, we judge.

[plucky flax]

Listen to top 1% 😤

[supple dock]

suck this top 1% dick

[marble crater]

Top 1% in sedation

[cinder geyser]

anyone has any tips for the cliffhanger achievment ? cant seem to get it no matter what

[supple dock]

To be honest? Run vent and just play game. You'll get it

[plucky flax]

[marble crater]

This spot worked for me https://youtu.be/SiZp4X8YQww I played normally but just kept an eye out for this spot to smite

[hearty dagger]

As a top ligma% psyker, i say run whatever you want except dueling sabres that aren't DS4

[torn grove]

Use lighting , they will fall back opposite of your direction and then vent.

[hearty dagger]

It's nice seeing all these cliffhanger strats

Back in my day, Cliffhanger needed 20 instead of 7 and it was hell

[queen fog]

Hell my ass u just waited at counter intel last part, wait for pox walkers to pile up on choke

Then spamed force sword block push

[hearty dagger]

And then didn't get it because the push attack didn't count

[queen fog]

Which is why the shriek is there, Dw I was confused doing the penace too

[marble crater]

So say my friend wants to make a horde clear knife for his surge build, which knife with which perks and blessings?

[hearty dagger]

Personally, Knife 3 with Precog/whatever gave crit chance and the one that gave finesse on dodge or maybe Uncanny

Knife 6 can also work but imho knife 3 lights are more comfortable

Then again, i'm a knife 6 using hypocrite so maybe go with that instead

[marble crater]

[hearty dagger]

Ah yes, another stupid ass answer to a genuine question

All part of the great plan

In all seriousness though, knife 6

[marble crater]

Now I am confused

[hearty dagger]

It does good horde clear and the heavies can help too

With Psyker, you can't really capitalize on bleed so go with crit chance and finesse damage on dodge

[plucky flax]

I run ds5

[hearty dagger]

You are the worst kind of Psyker, a, and may the emperor forgive me for saying this, a Weird Boy

[marble crater]

Thanks and I assume mobility is so good that anything above 50% is good enough and is the dump stat

[hearty dagger]

Ehh, honestly i just look for high damage in my knives

I'm a simple man

I just stab

I leave the numbers to the nerds

[plucky flax]

Knife always give 5 dodges. So even sub 50 is okay. Obviously shorter dodge though.

[upper sun]

max dodging distance on knife is enough to make you sick tbh

[marble crater]

good to know, well anything will be better than illisi mobility

[upper sun]

feels like teleporting

[hearty dagger]

Tbf it's more like force sword mobility

I would kill to have decent movespeed with a force weapon

And i do, i run DD

[marble crater]

Yes, I want DS mobility with illisi horde clear for some of my builds

Fatshark please

[hearty dagger]

Honestly force swords really need a mobility buff

The Deimos just gets shit on by DS because of the sheer mobility DS has

Sure, Deimos has an assload of stagger but it's locked behind H2

So if you need it in a pinch it's going to come out way slower than the funny jab

[marble crater]

One of the reasons I prefer the DS over the Deimos now

[quartz barn]

Just use a staff instead

Unrelated note, i thought i was running mk4, but was actually running mk5, had them mixed up until last week

300h in lmao

Guess ill spend some plasteel to actually get a good mk4

[marble crater]

Sounds like you don't really have to, if you have been running that all this time

[quartz barn]

I guess im top 1% psyker for a reason

[upper sun]

the reason is ur uncle works at fatshark!!!!

[round gull]

guys which is your favourite staff?

[marble crater]

Surge and Trauma

[upper sun]

there are lines now for fucking up the mini game lmao

[marble crater]

I tried to roll 6 knives, none gave me a single blessing I could use, I will just try a DS2 for horde clear now

[upper sun]

hadron moment

[primal tusk]

currently quite like the Void, as im currently running a Smite build, and the main weakness i have is nuking enemies at long range like Snipers, Gunners and Reapers.

full support psyker build helps me get through diff 4 missions quite easely thus far unless team does intentional major oopsie

[round gull]

I don't use smite

I use the brain stuff i don't remember the name XDDD

[primal tusk]

Brain Rupture

[round gull]

yeah

[primal tusk]

then i'd say Surge or Trauma depending on which you like better c:

[round gull]

ohh

Nice,thanks 😄

[primal tusk]

Surge does lightning, Trauma does a ground circle that explodes anything in its radius

[round gull]

Idk what to think about Smite

I've been testing it and it's weird

[primal tusk]

i use it as a support tool

[round gull]

well makes sense

[primal tusk]

stunning the entire enemy wave for essentially free, allowing team to mop up without taking any damage

[round gull]

yeah

With the shield,right?

[primal tusk]

yeah

shield makes holding out in an area relatively easy cause no fear of gunners, shooters, reapers or snipers

[round gull]

yeah

The one i don't understand is the assail ._.

[primal tusk]

alternative playstyle i like. Brainburst + the 10% chance to proc on any hit, then get Scriers gaze, and then get Empowered Psionics.

Scriers gaze to just go ham with sword and gun

and then EP for downtime empowered bltizes

blitzes*

Assail is easy, just spam throw into a horde for free clear, or aim to throw at distant important enemy

[marble crater]

Assail can help with horde clear and kill shooters/ gunners at medium range and you can use it to snipe specialists

[round gull]

oh

[primal tusk]

and since Assail is homing, its fire and forget

[strong gulch]

If you want to do meaningful damage beyond smite's CC utility, you need EP smite + creeping flames.

[primal tusk]

do got a psyker question, Empowered Assail, what charges does it not consume? EP charges? or the Blitz charges

[marble crater]

The Blitz

[primal tusk]

ah, so just one free assail throw

[marble crater]

You use an EP charge to throw a free Assail

[primal tusk]

seems hardly worth it lol

[paper lily]

u can end up machinegunning assail

it's def on the weaker side tho

[strong gulch]

Assail can be guided by looking at enemies. The primary can interrupt while the secondary does more damage and peril.

Getting a feel for when to use both helps a lot. Like two primary shards and then the aimed secondary can take out a lot of the smaller elites and keep your peril up for gun builds.

[marble crater]

Can be worth if you end up killing 5 or 6 gunners at once

[round gull]

ohhhh,I understand

[strong gulch]

Be careful using assail around a demon host.

[marble crater]

[round gull]

Oh yeah

[marble crater]

I will not! I will not!

[round gull]

Assail is quite dangerous because I go boom boom

[strong gulch]

If you like to spam assail, EP really is the way to go.

RIP to the aimed assail no longer opening bulwarks.

[round gull]

one question,what is EP?

XDDD

I'm not used to the talents yet

[upper sun]

middle keystone

[strong gulch]

Empowered Pscionics. The middle keystone. The purple nodes at the bottom of the talent tree.

It's a lot to take in.

[round gull]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

Thanks :]

[strong gulch]

No problem. We use a lot of shorthand and abbreviations. It can be confusing.

[marble crater]

Could be worse, the zealot chat has an entire pinned message for all the acronyms

[round gull]

bruh

that's sick

[strong gulch]

I was about to say maybe we should have one.

[marble crater]

Definitely wouldn't hurt to have

[round gull]

It's a good idea

Mainly to new people

[rigid sky]

Assail has great synergy with DD too

If your ranged has DD synergy too that's a nice way to get cross-synergies

[round gull]

what's DD?

oh god

[marble crater]

[rigid sky]

Sorry disrupt destiny

[marble crater]

The right keystone

[strong gulch]

Right keystone.

[rigid sky]

But again you really want to have a ranged that works with it too (I.e. Finesse gun or voidstrike)

[round gull]

thanks,don't worry XDDDD

[round gull]

This is gonna be hard

I think i must have a paper with all the acronyms

[rigid sky]

You get used to it

[marble crater]

Imo, focus on one build and then branch out once you are comfortable with that

[rigid sky]

But yeah I should try to use them less

Build should always be built to fit around your ranged weapon on a psyker

[strong gulch]

If reading images isn't great, there is a guide in the pins called the Atheneum. It is thicc with info. Don't worry about combing through every bit. #psyker-class message

[marble crater]

Some of the talent names are just too long and hard to spell though, like I don't want to type of Psykentic's Aura every time

[rigid sky]

Do take the Atheneum with a tiny pinch of salt though, iirc it says that Surge dumpstat is Crit Bonus

Which I disagree with quite strongly

But Pygex is a much better psyker than me so idk lol

99% of it is great

[strong gulch]

Plus updated changing names, us giving them nicknames, or us refusing to adapt to new language.

[round gull]

omg tysm that will be of great help to me

[marble crater]

Chastise zealot ability, good luck finding that in the talent tree

[strong gulch]

The Atheneum is tried and tested, and kept up to date as best as possible. There's things that I disagree with in there, BUT I am not doing as rigorous or consistent testing.

Some of my decisions are straight up emotional choices and preferences that are not based wholly on data.

[rigid sky]

Yeah, there's a lot which is subjective in this game

This isn't like FFXIV in that every class is effectively a solved puzzle

Playstyle actually matters here

But I still think you can make some objective claims

[round gull]

yeah,that sometimes happens

[strong gulch]

Like, I don't dump crit bonus on surge staff either, despite the data. I also choose different perks on my revolver because of enemy preferences.

[round gull]

ye

[strong gulch]

what @rigid sky said

[round gull]

exactly

[marble crater]

Unless your build is completely bad, I don't think one wrong talent/stat/perk or blessing will cost you the mission anyway. As long as you can cover almost every situation it's fine

[strong gulch]

yip

[plucky flax]

Copy my stuff if you're scuffed like me and play in sedition

[marble crater]

I will play with DS2 in sedation to try horde clear with it

[strong gulch]

I have a baby zealot. I do not know the zealot things. So I for sure just copied you.

[plucky flax]

Can't go wrong with bm headtaker combat axe and martyrdom/momentum.

[marble crater]

Momentum

[strong gulch]

Momentum for sure. My zealot is called zoomies for a reason.

[plucky flax]

Unnerf it

[patent steeple]

I am guessing Piety isn't worth it on sedition, otherwise I could see myself suggesting it (even though I have yet to play my zealot to level 30 lmao)

[plucky flax]

It is very good. Just not for combat axe.

Knife is op its good with all 3 keystones.

[strong gulch]

I like knife. My hands do not.

[marble crater]

Evis 15 with fury, shred and perfect strike. Swing twice in a horde and you have your combat ability back

[plucky flax]

Why perfect strike. It already has 10 cleaves

Go rampage for extra damage.

[marble crater]

Because I want more cleaves

[native kite]

So i have a Deimos, with 80 dmg, 80 finesse, 75 first target.
Perks: +8% melee weakspot, +2stam
Blessings: Deflector 4, Precog 3

trying to farm the Blazing Spirit to replace Precog. and am thinking of swapping +2stam for Carapace dmg?

[marble crater]

Also nice for elite packs

[rigid sky]

Got that damage hard cap on 4 targets though

[rigid sky]

Don't put blazing spirit on it

Uncanny much better

[plucky flax]

Based blazing spirits sword gamer

[rigid sky]

Tbh you kinda have a brick there anyway, maybe even keep the two blessings and change the perks

Precognition is actually pretty good

[marble crater]

I know, but the crits still count and you still hit the other targets, so they still get impact as well

[rigid sky]

That is true

Advanced use case then

[strong gulch]

Unless you are knowingly trying to meme, don't put blazing spirit on Deimos. It works better on illis, but it still isn't great.

[marble crater]

My evis has two free blessing slots, so I play around with a bunch of different combinations

[near drift]

Deflector on Deimos 🙌

[marble crater]

Rampage, momentum if I don't want to go for crits is also fun

[plucky flax]

Big 2 handed chainsword horde clear slower than a one handed axe.

[marble crater]

At least it gets points for being cool

[plucky flax]

I find axe very cool and the modded skin is sick.

Heavy sword is cool but it's weak imo.

Puny against armoured.

[native kite]

ok so, conesus is, swap precog for uncanny and still swap +2 Stam for Carapace? on Deimos

[plucky flax]

Check if you can 1 shot headshot heavy 2 against mutie.

If not go maniac, if yes go carapace.

My deimos has both maniac and carapace so I'm set.

[marble crater]

[native kite]

just shy of 1shot on Damnation

[rigid sky]

Slap some warp rider on that

[native kite]

v.v; just barely a sliver at 90%

[rigid sky]

Oof

[native kite]

this is without uncanny on atm.

[plucky flax]

What staff you gonna use it with? You can range it a few times before

[upper sun]

iktfb

[native kite]

atm ive been using purg. got a halfway decent surge staff but its not finished.

muties i normally just brainburst anyway.

with empowered psionics

[strong gulch]

Rashad right? What perks you like?

[plucky flax]

Both rashad and antax are good at different things. But I use flak maniac on both.

Can already 1 shot scab bruiser with headtaker stacks.

[analog solstice]

what build do you guys recommend for the defy fate penance (disrupt destiny talent)

[strong gulch]

good ole flaniac. No headtaker yet, but I'll keep an eye out.

[marble crater]

I did it with mainly just with assail, I used a purgatus staff with it or gunker
Best option is probably voidstrike with assail

[analog solstice]

kk, i was about to go surge but had second thoughts, marked enemies must be killed by me and not my teammates right?

[marble crater]

By you yes, surge should work too, if purgatus worked

[strong gulch]

Void if you like staves. Gunker is also good. I did the right side of DD; lingering influence. I had better uptime.

Assail works well with DD.

[analog solstice]

Gunker?

[strong gulch]

gun psyker

[analog solstice]

aight

[rigid sky]

Void or gun

[strong gulch]

As long as you kill your target and have the needed stacks, you'll make progress on the penance.

BUT some staves just don't benefit from DD the way void and guns do.

[marble crater]

DD should give crit chance

[quartz barn]

didnt even know you could get below 10%

[supple dock]

almost as impressive as the 0% modifier we saw about a week ago or so

[marble crater]

Very fast, very strong, but instead of fine stabs the psyker uses it like a baseball bat

[round gull]

Why this Purgatus staff deals so few damage?

[sharp forum]

because it stacks

[round gull]

OHHHH

[marble crater]

Purgatus damage comes from the fire ticks, stack exponentially

[supple dock]

damage for any fire weapon is a dump stat, you want burn and cloud

[rigid sky]

Quadratically iirc

[rigid sky]

Except Blaze trauma

[marble crater]

Cloud radius being the length of the cloud, not the width

[supple dock]

well, yeah, but trauma doesn't have fire built in as the actual attack

[round gull]

thanks,i was like...so few damage :[

[marble crater]

Well, something-ally

[rigid sky]

If you're gonna use something you might as well make it actually good

But yeah you can get the penance without having a build that makes sense if you really hate guns and voidstrike

[upper sun]

🤔 i dont wanna get political but why do the heretics call us the loyalists?

what does that make them?

[supple dock]

Rebels, since they're rebelling against the Imperium of Mankind

dunno if troll/meme post but

there's an answer

[upper sun]

idk i always thought traitor was the opposite of loyalist

[supple dock]

Seer Psyker calls flamers "traitor flamers"

[upper sun]

its the same thing as a communist calling himself a commie

[supple dock]

traitor and rebels are pretty much synonymous

[upper sun]

so tru sibling so tru

[rigid sky]

Enlightened maybe

Brothers or sisters

[supple dock]

So who's ready for Kusu to drive himself into a panic attack by having way too much coffee

[marble crater]

Half the time I don't think people are ready for you without the coffee

[upper sun]

HELL YEAH

coffeemaxxing bros ww@?

[supple dock]

[strong gulch]

hopped up on bean juice

[supple dock]

Gonna wash it down with mountain dew

let's fucking go

[upper sun]

HELL YEAH

lets do a line of ground up caffeine pills too

[strong gulch]

important. multiple stream of incom.... I mean caffeine!!

[upper sun]

gotta diversify your coffee intake

cant have all your beans in one basket

[strong gulch]

hold, cold, and butter

[upper sun]

hell yeah

butter coffee is legit

[supple dock]

gimme some of that cat shit coffee

[strong gulch]

Only have a mug left? Add it to hot cocoa.

half a mug lol

[supple dock]

Putting a crushed up hershy's bar in your coffee is actually fucking delicious

[marble crater]

Hershey 🤮

[strong gulch]

That's what I call T4s

[upper sun]

theres some belgian or dutch chocolate

tony's its fucking fantastic

[supple dock]

yes yes evil company but any chocolate works lmao

[upper sun]

evil? theyre just bad

[supple dock]

tastes like chocolate

[marble crater]

No, no it does not

[cold oasis]

Best combo of weapons to do the 40 kills during a single scrier's gaze?

[upper sun]

colum autogun

got it in the last section of oblivum station

weakpoint hits also help extend it if you go with the quell thing on DD

[strong gulch]

Depends on how quick you are, enemy density, and if your teams doesn't kill the things.

Columnus or void in a hallway. Take battle meditation for both.

[upper sun]

body block them so they cant shoot

[marble crater]

Hab Dreyko extraction run, everyone is busy running forward and surviving that you can mag dump on the horde following you, that's how I did it

[paper lily]

just listen for horde scream take illisi and faceroll m1 it

[cold oasis]

I'll try columnus, ty

[strong gulch]

If that is a struggle, you can quell with void or illisi to extend SG.

[plucky flax]

[supple dock]

wtf

[patent steeple]

hang on, which Brauto is that? I wodner if its still viable for a standard-issue gunker build...?

[upper sun]

psykers cant use braced auto guns thats a ciag

[supple dock]

can't brace with tiny arms

[patent steeple]

riiiiighht... I guess I forgot lol

[upper sun]

imagine a hammer psyker

[patent steeple]

ciag means Columnus mk5 IAG, right?

[upper sun]

ye

[patent steeple]

ok, so I have the same kind of gun (not sure about the blessings you used)

[supple dock]

isn't it just dumdum and whatever else

[patent steeple]

I know its the usual, but idk if they were using something else...

[supple dock]

this just in: local man discovers assail, forgets he has a staff

[marble crater]

Dumdum and either Deathspitter or Fire Frenzy or Raking Fire if you or feeling backstabby

[true lake]

is there a higher variant of uncanny than level 1?

[supple dock]

goes to 4

[true lake]

oof, guess I got to roll for that then

[supple dock]

tbh even t3 is really good

[true lake]

though even level 1 ain't too bad, better than deflector

deflector comes handy in a pinch but I've been needing it less and less

[marble crater]

Yeah, just don't get hit

[patent steeple]

btw, I kinda wonder if I should keep using 20% TDR from Gaze on my gunker build, or swap it to +15 toughness...

[supple dock]

Add 20% to your current toughness value

And see what your vaule is +15

Whichever is higher is the better option

[strong gulch]

flak

[jovial juniper]

But would a Psyker use a blunt weapon? (The answer is yes)

[supple dock]

I feel like the Loner would have moral objectification to that

[upper sun]

who cares about loners

they're one step away from the blackships at best

[supple dock]

I want same voice interactions

I want the Seer to freak out about dreaming the other Seer

[upper sun]

there are some

theres like the judges jerking eachother off same for the sevants

[jovial juniper]

Tbf, you can smack people with staff/gun regardless of personality

But I do see the potential of complaining about it

[plucky flax]

It's columbus.

[jovial juniper]

And possible interactions with like Ogryn or something

[supple dock]

"spark'ead use club like ogryn!"

[compact cargo]

fellow spark heads

any way to make surge staff not suck?

[supple dock]

yes

[upper sun]

flak

[compact cargo]

25% flak

[supple dock]

#psyker-class message

[compact cargo]

Still doesn't make it any better

[supple dock]

Check that tree out

[compact cargo]

Copy pasted it shamelessly

Still heavily outperformed by my own voidstrike build

[upper sun]

yup the surge orthodoxy tree

[compact cargo]

[plucky flax]

Just surge everything and spam creeping flames.

[supple dock]

Voidstrike has a faster kill time, but Surge is easier to manage and it provides CC

[compact cargo]

Yes, but CC doesn't make my EGO grow

https://tenor.com/view/dragontan-gif-24234219

[supple dock]

kek

Surge is deceptively strong vs bosses actually

[compact cargo]

I've seen

I love it because of that

[grizzled hearth]

question about One with the Warp, does it grant 10% toughness dr at 0 peril?

[supple dock]

not anymore

[compact cargo]

Reason I even went for surge, but... I feel a bit on the slower side, maybe it's a melee weapon issue, what's common dueling sword with it? Deimos?

[supple dock]

Wait I was thinkign warp rider

i dunno about one with the warp

[plucky flax]

Illisi surge smite.

[supple dock]

Surge is single target

[compact cargo]

That may have been the issue, no illisi

[near drift]

Hitting that one zap on specials and gunners with surge is always satisfying

[compact cargo]

I like my mobility

[jovial juniper]

Nexus and always at 75-85 peril

[plucky flax]

If you go crazy enough you do 1 mil damage with 400k+ warpfire

[jovial juniper]

[supple dock]

what do you mean

[compact cargo]

I will try with Illisi then

[compact cargo]

Dueling sword mobility over most others

Funny slide

[plucky flax]

Horde clear with creeping flames and illsi. Surge shooters and elites+specials.

I use surge like 80% of a round.

[supple dock]

I use dagger for my mobility

[near drift]

Surge has pretty generous auto aim with the zap and a quick charge so you can do a lotta slides n stuff while still zapping

[plucky flax]

Smite only for when there are too many armoured units.

I smite maybe once every 5 games.

[supple dock]

I generally save it for awkward positions and getting cornered

I'll use it maybe like 4 times a match or so

[plucky flax]

Yeah only in really sticky situation. Otherwise I'd prefer to dance around with surge/illisi.

Your illisi special light 1 is super fast and can even stagger crusher on headshot.

[paper lily]

surge staff is insane strong idk

[plucky flax]

Against ragers pack dodge back, special and light/heavy.

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

the surge staff itself is pretty great, you can 4shot a crusher with it

[plucky flax]

It'll stagger the rager(s)

[supple dock]

And it requires no preparation of aiming or positioning, you just send it

[upper sun]

fighting ragers is actually fun now after the fix

[supple dock]

trueee\

[paper lily]

i just like the animation cancel on surge tbh

trauma too

[compact cargo]

Why 4 shot crushers, when you can bug them into a wall to insta kill them

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is my class fantasy fulfilled

[compact cargo]

either way I'll be heading back to testing thanks

[supple dock]

Apparently I didn't realize I've been using the surge cancel for almost my entire time playing I just learned it had a name

Though surge has 2 parts to its damage

So cancelling it takes away the chunk of damage

[paper lily]

nah the entire dmg is frontloaded

[lethal lagoon]

Wait are you sure you are canceling correctly?

[supple dock]

ye

Let the hit go then swap

I have swapping my weapons as pure muscle memory so I didn't realize it was a thing that people used often

[jovial juniper]

Fr, they don't even feel dangerous, until you get a pack of them

[supple dock]

ooh

I was doing a lite version of it it seems

Do you quell or swap

[paper lily]

u have to swap i don't even think quell works

[ornate hamlet]

i never weapon swap and have never seen that before O.o

[supple dock]

I see

[ornate hamlet]

that looks so stupid

[supple dock]

I typically swap when I'm swapping weapons to close distance

[paper lily]

honestly i feel like it's how surge should be

legit looking at people and they just explode

[supple dock]

So I'll shock, swap to melee and slide forward

because I'm a super aggro player

[plucky flax]

That's an ultra scuffed hud if I've seen one.

[lethal lagoon]

[paper lily]

eh i have an ultrawide