psyker-class

[thorn cedar]

i will say that having both battle med and purloin providence can give you some hilarious results at times

[rigid sky]

I think it's the usual thing to have a build saved for every staff type and a general guns build that you can swap guns in

[topaz steppe]

I like the assail into gun build using scriers but have also been enjoying the voidstaff and issis sword combo with the lightning and bubbles shield

Idk if that means anything lol

[rigid sky]

Not my style on my voidstrike build but I can see that working well

[wind spruce]

We understand you, sibling

[topaz steppe]

I’ve been using the Vgak 7 Gun

With the gun build

Seems fun

[rigid sky]

#psyker-class message

[topaz steppe]

Recoil a bit wack

[wind spruce]

Try a columnus infantry autogun

[topaz steppe]

I have one too

I enjoy it

[wind spruce]

It's the best gun in the game

[cinder moon]

no, no, go for mk2 laspistol so you can get repetitive strain injury while also deleting everything

[rigid sky]

This is a good gun build but consider taking warp replenishment instead of warp speed or the 15 toughness node at the bottom

The trouble with HH guns in particular is the bad maniac damage multiplier

CIAG plays into all of the DD/SG strengths by being rapid fire and having great crit and weakspot stats

[wind spruce]

Full auto mod

[thorn cedar]

laspistol is the gunker DD weapon imo

[wind spruce]

When I'm try-harding I actually drop warp speed for another 15 toughness

[rigid sky]

The trick is, it feels like Illisi is the best companion weapon...

[thorn cedar]

instant draw speed and pinpoint hipfire accuracy

[rigid sky]

But DS4 works better imo

[thorn cedar]

Makes picking out bluebois a breeze

and the DD bonuses are hysterical on it

[rigid sky]

Yeah, Accatran laspistol is the other best choice

[wind spruce]

If the columnus wasn't just broken levels of good, yeah, las pistol would be better

[thorn cedar]

its just too slow for me

[rigid sky]

I like CIAG more for crowds and bosses I guess

Magsize is better for the laspistol too

[cosmic sigil]

I like graia

[thorn cedar]

columnus has better ammo actually

you gotta half the number you see on the laspistol

[rigid sky]

https://www.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/funniest-simpsons-gifs-ralph-go-banana.gif

[rigid sky]

Rapid-fire makes it easier to waste bullets though

[thorn cedar]

trigger control makes all the difference yes

accuracy gets dificult with the bloom on the columnus and you dont have the suppression immunity of the laspistol

still, its about flow for me

[rigid sky]

Plus laspistol has bigger impact per round fired

One laspistol mag contains more death than one CIAG mag

[hushed egret]

it isnt though

[rigid sky]

And reloads faster

[thorn cedar]

laspistol reload is so fast

and its in three tiers

very easy to load up

[rigid sky]

I really want to like it

[wind spruce]

You're delusional lol

[rigid sky]

I just hate how it feels

[wind spruce]

Sorry but thinking min height is best for voidstrike is ridiculous

[rigid sky]

I'll try to give it another go another time though

[upper sun]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa this shit is bugged

[rigid sky]

What are the blessings and perks we want on accatran laspistol?

[cinder moon]

infernus, dumdum/ghost

[upper sun]

i asked two people to commit sedduku and and i didnt get it

[mental rock]

Well it says 3 different people

[thorn cedar]

id skip infernus entirely

and just do dumdum/ghost

[upper sun]

ye but the first one i didnt ask

he just died

[mental rock]

Oh

Lol

[rigid sky]

Infernus seems good for bosses?

[wind spruce]

Dum dum is mandatory

[cinder moon]

infernus is good for bosses

[rigid sky]

Or is it capped

[thorn cedar]

it has a cap

[mental rock]

Yet another broken penance I guess

[wind spruce]

Second blessing is largely irrelevant except for bosses, yes

[thorn cedar]

its okay for bosses and that's it

[rigid sky]

What's the cap

[thorn cedar]

everything else you're just going to plink at their head while intangible

[cinder moon]

if you take empathic, ghost is kinda redundant

[thorn cedar]

nah, its a safety net

sometimes that crit doesnt proc

[cinder moon]

embrace the peril, sibling

[thorn cedar]

and it sucks

and emphatic stays relevant in melee and with assail

[upper sun]

i will not stand for EE shit talk

[mental rock]

The blessing says the cap. I think it's 10 stacks at rank 4

[wind spruce]

I'd rather have raking fire than ghost

[rigid sky]

For Psyker I'm a firm believer in the Swiss cheese model of defenses

[potent echo]

damn 915 plasteel from one match

[rigid sky]

I want as many ways to say "no" to damage

[upper sun]

hell yeah

[rigid sky]

Including different streams of toughness regen

[upper sun]

best way to say no to damage is to not play the game

[thorn cedar]

this has been my build for waaay too long now

[cinder moon]

playing assail for the new penance gave me a headache

i still don't get what people like about it, the shards randomly fuck off and disappear

rmb an elite 25m away, literally nothing happens

[upper sun]

also

the fan in relay can kill you now

i feel like this is important to know

[cinder moon]

where's the fan?

OH

for real??

lmao

[upper sun]

yup

[cinder moon]

does it down you or instakill

[upper sun]

important info ngl

[zinc star]

Gonna be fun seeing people die to it

[potent echo]

isnt it the one where you gotta stop the fan

[upper sun]

insta kill

[cinder moon]

lmaooo

[upper sun]

not even until death can save you

[cinder moon]

that's awesome

[mental rock]

Oh wow do you turn into red mist too?

[upper sun]

hell yeah

more weird shit

[zinc star]

based

[upper sun]

they COOKED

[dark lotus]

what weapon do you use?

[thorn cedar]

deimos and laspistol

[cinder moon]

i had fun turning the showers on in consignment yard, then i realized there were a couple with graffiti and went "oo a puzzle"

it's too bad i can never remember the names of 90% of the maps, the puzzle guides are less than helpful

[rigid sky]

It's your spammy option

You take it if you have a precise ranged killer in your secondary slot imo

[cinder moon]

it even sucks at spam

i can just voidstrike the horde

at this point i'm convinced everyone that likes assail is just exhibiting stockholm syndrome

maybe if shards were unlimited it'd suck less, but you send out 10 and a bunch hit walls or something and do literally nothing but you get the peril anyway

[rigid sky]

It's great with guns

Imo voidstrike doesn't really need a blitz, but assail can help for wider enemy formations

[mental rock]

If you're hitting walls with assail stop looking at walls

[cinder moon]

the shards do what they want

aiming them is basically just asking nicely

RMB is more consistent but i've still had the shards just disappear when i had clear LOS

BB and smite are consistent, if nothing else

[rigid sky]

Assail isn't great for long range tbh

It's better for midrange

You have to play around its weaknesses, but the strengths are great

Very flexible and weavable

Safe hordeclear

Automatic DD uptime

[cinder moon]

until you run out of shards

i can just keep casting smite

or blow up everything in sight with 3/4 staffs

[rigid sky]

Synergises with weakspot/crit damage stuff like DD

[rigid sky]

It's meant to be swapped to and from

[cinder moon]

that would make sense if: safe hordeclear didn't require melee/wasting ammo on hordes to offset its downtime, because if you're swapping to staff you have to quell anyway

[rigid sky]

So with Void I might nuke a crusher, keep the weeds off me with a few assails, VS blast a rager that comes mixed in with them and a Gunner, back to assail for the next wave or melee to kill them if they actually reach me

Quelling is fine

It's not something to be scared of

[willow hazel]

The right click assail is pretty great at long range

usually it's killing stuff faster than BB

[rigid sky]

It's better at least

[cinder moon]

i don't have a problem quelling, i just think assail objectively sucks

[rigid sky]

It doesn't, it just doesn't gel with how you like to play.

[cinder moon]

it took me like 2 minutes to see why DD/void is a good build

5 matches of assail/DD and i still don't get it

[willow hazel]

Are you throwing assails while sliding or in between melee combos?

How often are you getting 2-3 specialists killed with single right clicks?

[cinder moon]

often

except where the shards disappear

[willow hazel]

They last 2.5s

[cinder moon]

low ceiling/rafters/literally any map geo? too bad, so sad

[willow hazel]

you can aim them around that

Like you can throw the right click angled at the floor ir wall to deal with tight spaces

[cinder moon]

there's zero feedback for where the shard goes when you don't have LOS, i could never tell if it was going to track to an enemy or circle back to whatever i'm looking at

[willow hazel]

It uses the BB halo thing

[spice veldt]

it locks onto enemies that your cursor is over and never locks back onto the same enemy

[cinder moon]

i've watched it literally ignore the halo

[willow hazel]

if you throw a right click and look at a 2nd enemy, it mostly goes straight their

[cinder moon]

the "mostly" is my big problem with it

[spice veldt]

the minor unreliability with the aiming mechanism is also offset by the fact that you have 10 shards

[cinder moon]

BB and smite do exactly what i expect every time

except when BB's resonance times out during a cast, that shit sucks

[spice veldt]

throw shards, swipe your mouse wildly side-to-side to make shards lock on, and call it a day

it's fairly simple to exploit how the aiming mechanism works

[cinder moon]

yeah, that's why i got a headache from using it

[wet belfry]

beauty

[willow hazel]

unfortunately this is also the best way to use a lot of melee weapons

[cinder moon]

doesn't bother me with melee

[spice veldt]

so just motion sickness

shame

[cinder moon]

it's not motion sickness, it was a genuine headache lol

[spice veldt]

sounds like motion sickness to me

[cinder moon]

i play a bunch of games with headtracking, if i got motion sick that'd be impossible

[marble crater]

I didn't know assail works like that

[jovial juniper]

Virtual labyrinthitis

[mighty olive]

Assail feels different, I dunno if it's intentional but it feels slower and does less maybe?

[spice veldt]

seems the same to me

[lyric burrow]

It will still do its own thing somewhat if you dont move it but yeah follows the mouse

[spice veldt]

doesn't quite follow the mouse
just locks onto enemies that are under your cursor

[cinder moon]

maybe assail psykers thinking it's good at hordeclear is because they're swinging their view around so wildly they can't tell their teammates are doing the bulk of the work

[lyric burrow]

You can get it to not hit bursters if you look away in time

Before it memes you

Or kills arco

[spice veldt]

that's a bit rich coming from somebody who makes a point of saying that they don't use the scoreboard

[willow hazel]

you don't really need to move the camera much against hordes

[spice veldt]

and somebody who has a strong opinion about a weapon that they evidently don't know how to use

[willow hazel]

just look at the horde and spam left click

[cinder moon]

i don't need to use the scoreboard to tell i'm carrying my weight

[mighty olive]

Nah it is really good, I top damage on my games, but since the patch it feels slightly less effective

[lyric burrow]

And yeah assail kills hordes,and anything not cara or unyielding for free

[jovial juniper]

Right!?!

[spice veldt]

sure, but by how much are you carrying your weight

i'm certainly not going to operate by sheer vibes

[cinder moon]

i can carry almost any team, except the ones that fail so hard that literally nobody could save them, i.e. pulling DH during a hishock horde with a chaos spawn while being wildly out of position

[spice veldt]

sure i don't doubt that

[torn dawn]

hey so we're talking about double scriers gaze in here right

[spice veldt]

what i do doubt is your ability to make confident statements about balance

[wind spruce]

man assail is so bad, why even run it?
https://outplayed.tv/media/44ydQ7

[spice veldt]

such as asserting weapons to be objectively bad

[upper sun]

they should go more hard core with the enviromental stuff

remove all hanging ledges from places where you wont die

[mental rock]

That could be a fun modifier maybe

[willow hazel]

just add an option like "hold space to fall"

[spice veldt]

like i said, i would hope that your opinion is more quantitatively informed rather than operating on vibes

[torn dawn]

"all weapons are bad except dueling sword 4" - the emperor (real quote)

[mental rock]

Like, modifier is "no safety nets" which is no rescues, saves or revives

Could be cool

[upper sun]

hell yeah even better

i just tried to do a super hero landing in relay station 😭

ledge wont elt me

[torn dawn]

literally the deeds from vt2 (would b so epic)

[upper sun]

start game with a wound for +50 plasteel

zealot would eat it up

[cinder moon]

my previous position on assail was "i don't get it", after trying it for a fair amount my position is "it doesn't do consistently what i expect, which is objectively bad"

[wind spruce]

i actually cant believe how bad it is
https://outplayed.tv/media/rNlzYO

[spice veldt]

and this goes against my own experience of it consistently doing what i expect to a high degree of probability, especially if you have 10 shards to spam if you need reliability

[modern bronze]

Awooooooooga

[spice veldt]

the only thing that would make sense to me is that you are consistently at a low # of shards when you do need that reliability

which, i will say, is not assail's fault

[spice veldt]

can you do alcoholic darcy rp for me

[lyric burrow]

The only way to get arcos attention

[cinder moon]

experience? so, a vibe?

[spice veldt]

i'm not operating on vibes alone

[fluid dawn]

Nah you can’t download the scoreboard to tell that your dragging the team down and you know the second you saw the numbers you would uninstall.

[lyric burrow]

Those are for sure 2 different things

[potent echo]

what the hell does a heretical totem look like

do they spawn outside the play area or smth

[lyric burrow]

They kinda glow like grims

[upper sun]

they look like green poopoo

[potent echo]

green poopoo

[lyric burrow]

They kinda spawn in out of the way spots

[upper sun]

LIKE ALL THINGS HERETICAL theyre green

[spice veldt]

because i have similar stats as my teammates in a premade
and I consistently do the same range of damage with other builds that I would consider "good"

[mighty olive]

They're like a pile of skulls that glow green like a grim, there's 4 per map and they'll be in places you can see pretty easily, i don't think they spawn in event rooms

[spice veldt]

my point isn't that you can't base your judgement in part on feelings

but if you don't have any numbers to back it up, it's going to be shaky if you say something is objectively bad

[cinder moon]

it would be one thing if my entire point was only "it feels bad", but it's not

"it doesn't consistently do what i expect" is different

[spice veldt]

yeah and i already argued against that by saying that you can get reliability by just spamming shards

[wind spruce]

maybe be less bad then

[mighty olive]

If you see them shoot them, most aren't in melee range

[cinder moon]

a blitz should be reliable

[wind spruce]

you obviously have a skill issue

[spice veldt]

and not being at a low # of shards when you do need reliability

[upper sun]

usually a good rule of thumb is one is one room after the previous

[spice veldt]

but it is reliable, because it has such a low time cost and has autoaim

[cinder moon]

i never said anything about running out of shards

[spice veldt]

then i don't see how it would be unreliable

[cinder moon]

i said the shards will fuck off randomly, which they do

[spice veldt]

if you need it to stun a special in a quickie, it can do that reliabiy

[wind spruce]

do I need to post a third video of it fucking shredding a thousand elites in 3 seconds

[cinder moon]

dumping them into a horde 5m away doesn't really say anything

[spice veldt]

yeah and i've already remarked on that as just you not knowing how the aiming mechanism works

because you would not say that it randomly does it if you knew how it worked

[cinder moon]

clear LOS, literally nothing in the way, looking straight at my targets, press LMB a few times, watch 2 of them go up and disappear

[modern bronze]

BWUH

[spice veldt]

i'm not sure what to say other than that has never been my experience with assail

if my crosshair is on point, then it is locking on them within a certain range

[cinder moon]

if there's a low ceiling, those shards are literally gone

all for some peril gen and no effect

[spice veldt]

they do not disappear on hitting a wall

[fluid dawn]

Are you on the right patch my guy. You can report to FS if your game is broken though you probably won’t get an update for 9 months.

[cinder moon]

great input

[spice veldt]

great vegetables

[fluid dawn]

Your welcome

[lyric burrow]

Oh my god arco based?

[potent echo]

angy, assail bad

[spice veldt]

it's a stupid reference to a streamer i like

[lyric burrow]

I was hoping you had played the game 😭

[spice veldt]

oh wait you've played persona

it's a reference to that game yeah

[lyric burrow]

Ah ok

Cool

You have gained cool points

[wind spruce]

are you at this sort of range
https://outplayed.tv/media/6WjJv3

@cinder moon

[cinder moon]

on occasion, but it's happened in cqc

[spice veldt]

as far as i can interpret what you're saying, shards do not disappear on hitting geometry https://streamable.com/do3edn

[cinder moon]

if you don't reestablish LOS to any target after a shard hits level geo, it just goes away and does nothing

[wind spruce]

Yes... that's how it works

[cinder moon]

it will also go away and do nothing even within a window of reestablishing LOS

[wind spruce]

For LMB anyway

[spice veldt]

yeah because the shards don't lock on if they're not within a certain distance of the target

it's not like you can dump a bunch of shards in one direction 20m away from a target, look at them, and have them missile onto them

[cinder moon]

this happens at 5m

[spice veldt]

there are very obvious boundaries to the aiming mechanism

[cinder moon]

it's not just a long range thing

[willow hazel]

the shards disapear if the hit carapace

[spice veldt]

you'll have to post a clip of it the next time if you do decide to run assail again because that's just counter to my experience

[wind spruce]

Also pls post clip of staff bashing

[lyric burrow]

I also have never had this issue and i have run my fair share of assail

[cinder moon]

all you have to do is go into psykhanium, send a few lmbs while standing behind a pillar, and then walk sideways to look at a target 5m away. most of those shards will not track

[upper sun]

no thats my thing

[spice veldt]

probably because they're just getting sent out farther than their lockon range?

[cinder moon]

this is just an example of level geo or literally anything being in the way for long enough during LMBs to render it useless, not an explicit example of how i played assail

[spice veldt]

like, just aim at the enemy and fire shards at them?

i don't get this manufactured example that specifically makes use of a fundamental and intentional limitation of assail's locking mechanism

[wind spruce]

Or aim above enemies and look down

Not straight up, like 30-40°

[spice veldt]

can't believe my weapon has limitations and that it is easily gotten around by initially shooting my shards in the direction of the enemy i want to be hit

relying on shards that were not initially shot out into their direction is just on you

[cinder moon]

when a see-through fence, box stack, or whatever gets in the way during a dodge for just long enough to make the LMBs go away and be useless, that's annoying

[spice veldt]

sure, but the game gives you 10 shards to start with, and assail has a minimal active time cost for using it

0.2 seconds for the first shard to be launched and 0.3s for the second
and an unmeasurably small amount of time to swap to it

if you don't like how it plays or to mitigate its occasional unreliability with the fact that the game gives you 10 shards, that's fine

but that doesn't make a weapon objectively bad just because you don't want to use it well

[tired estuary]

you can just dislike smth you know, it doesn't have to be more than that

[fluid dawn]

Post a clip stop yapping and back it up if you want us to shut up clipping ain’t hard comes with Nvidia total gameplay 1 mission I’ll count how many times it becomes an issue because there’s no way your gonna be complaining about hafting to hit an input a 2nd time surely not.

[torn dawn]

literally neither of u are gonna convince the other of anything i dont want u guys getting 2 upset does anyone wanna talk about double scriers gaze instead i think its fun

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/27NO039cd9MjyW/GqvNU4KZsov6?invite=cr-MSx6Qk8sMjI2NDA3ODc2LA look at this yippee

embed fail laugh at this user

[tired estuary]

Its not psyker chan if people aren't jumping down one another's throats over an option being bad or not

[wind spruce]

Awesome

[cinder moon]

meanwhile smite and bb will continue to work through the level geo

replace the pillar with a box stack, see through fence, what have you

[fluid dawn]

So true I mean are we even psyker’s if we don’t

[spice veldt]

damn good for those two weapons

[potent echo]

is there only one green poop per mission?

[willow hazel]

none of those shards disapeared

[spice veldt]

i'm glad that they can work through geometry, and that sure it is a shame that assail can not do the same

[willow hazel]

they went behind you

[marble crater]

For the plasteel? 4

[spice veldt]

fortunately, it has other strengths that outweigh its weaknesses

[potent echo]

huh? how do you find 4 im fcken blind?

[spice veldt]

almost like you can't just look at a weapon's weaknesses and call it objectively bad without also considering its strengths

[willow hazel]

google "object permanence"

[wind spruce]

Hahaha they literally lock on when you actually aim at the enemy

You've proven us right

[cinder moon]

how many of those that went behind me ended up doing something once LOS was reestablished

[fluid dawn]

Was gonna say

[willow hazel]

thats beacuse you were not aiming at anything

[spice veldt]

at this point, you've smugly remarked about assail players thinking that it's good at hordeclear because they're swinging their view despite not knowing what your stats in a game are
you've strongly implied that shards disappear on contact with geometry despite it not being true
you've remarked that the behavior of shards not locking onto enemies is random despite the rules being very obvious if you've done any testing in the psykhanium (shards only lock onto enemies that your mouse is over, only shards that are within a certain distance of enemies have the possibility of locking on)
you've remarked that it is unreliable, but you have a numerous amount of shards to spam at any moment of time as well as a minimal active time cost for using it

[wind spruce]

Absolute clownery

[marble crater]

I wouldn't say I find them, I accidentally destroy them with the trauma shockwave , but there is a counter in the top right corner whenever you destroy one

[willow hazel]

they wander around if you look at nothing. If you want them to hit enemies you need to look at the enemies

[potent echo]

oh they are outside of the play area

[spice veldt]

and corner peeking is evidently not what you're supposed to do with spamming assail

if you want to corner peek a bunch

there are other weapons for that

[radiant frigate]

no, everything i dislike must be bad!!

[spice veldt]

doesn't make a weapon objectively bad for that

[cinder moon]

i'm literally aiming at the enemies, or do you need to be pixel perfect with a spam weapon?

[potent echo]

you dont need to corner peek with assail, thats the idea

[willow hazel]

you can corner peak with the right

[marble crater]

No, just hidden, sometimes not so hidden

[potent echo]

you run out and fck up all the shooters in the world

[cinder moon]

this isn't about the corner itself, i already said

[spice veldt]

are you dense
i've repeatedly remarked on the shards having a range limitation on their lockon

[cinder moon]

literally anything getting in the way during a cast can do this

[wind spruce]

You have to be looking at the enemy when the shards strike

[spice veldt]

this is a very obvious and documented behavior of the shards

[cinder moon]

11m away is outside of the range?

[wind spruce]

It's not fucking rocket science man

[willow hazel]

you were aiming at the pillar. The moment you aimed at the enemy a shard hit it

[spice veldt]

yes if the shards bounce away

like, if you just throw the shards normally into their direction and have your cursor over them, it reliably locks on

[cinder moon]

they go beyond their range lock inside of 2 seconds of bouncing?

[spice veldt]

you realize that 2 seconds is a long time in this context

your timescales are way off if you want to say that as an argument

[wind spruce]

And yes they quickly lose their lock-on if you look away from the enemy

[spice veldt]

either way, just throw a shard into an enemy and maintain LoS for some short but reliable amount of time to ensure a lock-on and there you go, you get your reliability

[willow hazel]

The left click shards don't care about what you are aiming at when thrown, they will move towards your cursor for the whole 2.5s duration. If you look at a wall the whole time they will do nothing

[fluid dawn]

11 m to at full distance when you dodge behind the pillar also

[willow hazel]

you can also do other stuff while aiming the shards, like reloading your range weapon or quelling

[cinder moon]

so lockon is greater than 2 seconds?

[spice veldt]

unreliability is baked into the behavior of assail, but you make it a much bigger deal than it is

what are you even saying

[willow hazel]

the right click lockon is until it hits

[cinder moon]

this isn't about rmb

[willow hazel]

the left click is always trying to lock on your cursor, unless that enemy was the last one hit

for the whole duration it's flying

[spice veldt]

in the video, you throw shards into the pillar which bounce away to the point that they are too far to bounce
and i'm pretty sure you're getting tricked by when the shard spawns

the shard spawns 0.2s after you click on the first one
and 0.3s for the second
(and repeating)

e.g., for the first shard, this is when it initially spawns

when you're looking at the pillar

thus it doesn't llock onto enemies

(the trail indicating when the shard has spawned is what's highlighted by the red rectangle)

[cinder moon]

.

[willow hazel]

that is how every gun works

[cinder moon]

this isn't a gun

[spice veldt]

yes that's a weakness of assail and a lot of weapons

[willow hazel]

if you shoot a voidstrike into a wall it does nothing either

[spice veldt]

good thing it has strengths

you are making its weaknesses to be way more than they are and concluding that it is objectively bad based on that

[willow hazel]

If I clip a box with my revolver it's useless too

[fluid dawn]

Stop rage baiting you 3 wound user

[spice veldt]

and a shard can hit 2 targets (3 targets with ethereal)

[willow hazel]

Assail actually has some room for correction compared to most weapons because the shards are still useful even if they clip a wall

[wind spruce]

Rage bait or dropped on head too often

Was arguing staff bash is useful yesterday

[cinder moon]

this is my 5th build which has wound curios for the memes, didn't want to unspec my other 4 builds which all have no wound curios

[spice veldt]

bash is useful but these weaknesses of assail are shrimply too much for them

just post clips of assail exhibiting these behaviors (in a real game and where there was no possibility where your input could have possibly improved the functionality of assail because I don't want to point out very obvious flaws) next time since this isn't going anywhere

[fluid dawn]

Then you should have used 1 of them because there’s no way I’m gonna take you seriously now

[cinder moon]

ah yes, focus on that

[plucky flax]

Not enough players so bots are filling up the space.

[fluid dawn]

Valid it probably is your meme build considering how much you dislike assail so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt

[cinder moon]

i run 3 stam curios on my ds4/void build

[radiant frigate]

interestingly enough i found that i barely use voidstrike in my more recent penance-seeking setups

[fluid dawn]

I will because if I took anything you said seriously I would have wiped 99 times on sedition

[cinder moon]

[radiant frigate]

sedition is hard ok

[upper sun]

++PERDITUM SANCTUS++

[wind spruce]

Dude you've hoovered up everyones good will

[hollow stirrup]

Ogryn popping into the spark 'ead chat to wish everyone a good day or else you're getting an ogryn™️ hug

[radiant frigate]

appreciated, sweet brute

[marble crater]

I don't think I would survive an Ogryn hug, sweet brute

[hollow stirrup]

I give weaker hug then to make sure I don't break boss' back

[hollow stirrup]

Of course spark 'ead, you blow heretic brains out good

[fluid dawn]

You know what at least he hasn’t said holding smite is helpful to the team

[radiant frigate]

that is the plan :)

holding smite is helpful to look at the pretty colors

[cinder moon]

locking down mixed hordes when your team is struggling isn't helpful, yes

[upper sun]

Smite is ok

[radiant frigate]

i think that lobbies will be a lot more freeform/chaotic in the immediate future

[upper sun]

ye

[potent echo]

ah now that ive been looking i found 2 token

[radiant frigate]

as people play unusual builds for penances

[cinder moon]

penance builds are making things interesting, for sure

[potent echo]

they are usually on some ledge

[upper sun]

i feel like they made the game easier for the tons of people that came back on

[wind spruce]

Impossible, knite likes it

[fluid dawn]

No

[cinder moon]

i have expressed two opinions that made people in this chat very mad

[fluid dawn]

Yes

[cinder moon]

but everyone else is clearly right, staff bash has absolutely no use and assail is perfect

[upper sun]

staff bash is based

[fluid dawn]

Yes

[upper sun]

shut up

currently in game can someone pull up my vid of it staggering a crusher

[rapid steeple]

Siblings, how is the fashiontide looking this update

[wind spruce]

Two highly questionable opinions that you've followed up with a dozen other questionable opinions and obstinately refused to listen to anyone's logic while constantly moving the goalposts

[upper sun]

fun

[cinder moon]

i never moved the goalposts

[radiant frigate]

more of the same

[rapid steeple]

Did our beloved bless us with the most fashionable garments?

[cinder moon]

my position has been consistent

[radiant frigate]

red outfits and/or tubes

unfortunate

[spice veldt]

though you've said a lot of things that made quite a lot of what you've said just uninformed

[radiant frigate]

and a white+blue for penance junkies

[spice veldt]

e.g., assail disappearing on geometry and calling its lock-on "random"

[rapid steeple]

That sounds fun.

[fluid dawn]

Looks up what other actions that one could’ve taken to stun the crusher realizes it’s to long on psyker

[spice veldt]

i certainly don't hold trust in you to make any objective statements about game balance

[cinder moon]

wrong

[radiant frigate]

i am somewhat disappointed by the fashion

or lack thereof

[spice veldt]

yeah them fucking off

i'm not here to debate semantics

[upper sun]

nuh uhhhhh

[radiant frigate]

but perhaps something can be done

[fluid dawn]

Same dripless

[rapid steeple]

Hallowette will have something in the next couple of rotations, maybe lol. Only for aquilas..

[rigid sky]

Misinformation is heretical.

[radiant frigate]

in the words of the savant
drowning.. drowning..

[radiant frigate]

something without tubes??

[fluid dawn]

No you’ve said about 4 things that are just wrong

[cinder moon]

do your name a credit and be silent, sibling

[rapid steeple]

Alas, we are only allowed to have tubes

[wind spruce]

Do your name some credit and disappear back to where the sun don't shine

[rigid sky]

It's important to aggressively discredit misinformation so that players who are looking for advice don't get confused and put off

[wind spruce]

And incredibly amusing

[cinder moon]

i never gave my opinion on assail as advice to anyone

[fluid dawn]

yeah no it’s to pay homage to a friend who’s no longer with us but you wouldn’t understand since you have none

[wind spruce]

No one said you did, maybe re-read the comment

[rigid sky]

These channels are full of implicit advice as well as explicit

[mental rock]

I mean if you say assail is objectively bad that sounds like you are suggesting people not to use it

[cinder moon]

granted i said at one point it objectively sucks, but i further clarified that what sucks is it not doing what i expect on a consistent basis

[wind spruce]

Well luckily

You've now been taught how to use it properly

[fluid dawn]

And we’ve pointed out that your example is half baked

[cinder moon]

i pointed out that example was not an explicit representation

[rigid sky]

You could have just said "I don't like assail" and backed it up the same way, and I wouldn't have had any quarrel

[fluid dawn]

So show us in gameplay it impacting its consistency

[cinder moon]

no thanks

the conversation won't go anywhere anyway

[wind spruce]

I would've still had the same quarrel, because they're not liking it because they don't understand the mechanic

[rigid sky]

"Objectively bad", though, I'm going to argue and discredit because it's false.

[fluid dawn]

Cool so stop yapping and go back to corner

[rigid sky]

I don't like combat axes but I get how they work lol

[wind spruce]

Because you refuse to intake new information

[cinder moon]

where is this refusal? show me

[wind spruce]

That's my point, he didn't/doesn't understand how it works

[rigid sky]

Same with gorg stubber

Fair.

[wind spruce]

The video standing behind cover expecting it to lock on proved that

[cinder moon]

"not an explicit representation"

[spice veldt]

banger

[mighty olive]

My God this is still going on? >_<

[wind spruce]

Also you are objectively a bad person for not liking combat axes

[upper sun]

combat axes are mid

rashad is brain rot

[spice veldt]

such a strong opinion on something to the point of calling it objectively bad and not going to show any footage of it in a proper game

something something good faith

[wind spruce]

You're not wrong

[upper sun]

nuh uhhhhhh

[wind spruce]

But also it pairs so well with void and idk why

[rigid sky]

I am objectively a bad person, but not because I dislike combat axes.

[radiant frigate]

and thus i weep

[upper sun]

its true he is a bad person @rigid sky stole my dog and fed it chocolate

[wind spruce]

There are so many reasons

[fluid dawn]

What do I spy with my little eye oh an example, Oh the absurdity.

[radiant frigate]

same but it's because i dislike guns

[wind spruce]

Good, dogs suck

[upper sun]

[radiant frigate]

whiskey tango foxtrot

[upper sun]

horrible movie

[radiant frigate]

movie?

[wind spruce]

Horrible, drooling, facelicking, literal shit-eating creatures

Come at me

[cinder moon]

if you want them to come at you, there's a mission modifier for that

[radiant frigate]

I'm a cat person but dogs are based

[rigid sky]

OK Irosk is a worse person than me

[radiant frigate]

irosk I'm revoking your person license

sorry

[wind spruce]

Cats rule dogs drool

[wind spruce]

I am an orc

[fluid dawn]

Based

[wind spruce]

So that's fine

[upper sun]

theres a movie with the woman from 30rock called whiskey tango foxtrot its not great even tho shes usually funny

[radiant frigate]

i see

[wind spruce]

30 Rock is so mid

[upper sun]

OH COME THE FUCK ON

[wind spruce]

Hahahaha

[upper sun]

what the hell is it today

hottake day

[radiant frigate]

i have never heard of 30 rock

[wind spruce]

Ok ok I've only seen an episode or two so I'm not really gonna stand by that

[fluid dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

[upper sun]

30 rock is nice

[fluid dawn]

Good

[wind spruce]

Ok here's another

Rashad > Illisi

[upper sun]

[wind spruce]

[rigid sky]

Community is shit

[upper sun]

its "ok"

[wind spruce]

First two seasons were good

[rigid sky]

I did not care for the godfather

[wind spruce]

But maybe when I was younger

[fluid dawn]

I mean it’s alright more of an Obscurus fan myself

[wind spruce]

The Godfather is shit

[rigid sky]

It insists upon itself

Family Guy is funnier than people give it credit for

[wind spruce]

Wait who says family guy isn't funny

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-screaming-family-guy-scream-ahh-gif-2492574003783366721

[wind spruce]

I don't think I'd actually sit down and watch it anymore

But it was always solid

[steel egret]

I do.

[upper sun]

family guy is ||okay||

[steel egret]

But its intent is to be funny

[fluid dawn]

I to am confused is it not implied that to simply exist as long as it has that its funny or is society just suffering from brain rot

[rigid sky]

Counterpoint: the Simpsons post-golden era

[steel egret]

You could also be american dad enjoyer.

Or whatever its called.

[fluid dawn]

Fair point

[wind spruce]

Frasier ran for 11 years

[fluid dawn]

GG well played

[cinder moon]

talk about misinformation

[fluid dawn]

Nobody asked god usually I’m more patient with people with an IQ under 90

[weary crane]

smite is so broken lol

[wind spruce]

It's always sunny is criminally unubiquitous

(Which is now a word)

[steel egret]

Quantum Leap.

The guy jumps into other people and corrects problems in their life while same time insisting he wouldnt mess with things in the future.

[upper sun]

sunny is good

[fluid dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[upper sun]

tbh lately i switched to anime since every movie released in the last 4 years is ass

[wind spruce]

Amazing

[steel egret]

Anime?

[upper sun]

yes

[fluid dawn]

Not a bad take tbh

[steel egret]

Isnt anime just worse?

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma still underpower and need buffs badly.

[upper sun]

nah its okay

[steel egret]

No.

[plucky flax]

Dune part 1 and 2 are good.

[wind spruce]

300 friendly damage done

Nice

[upper sun]

overrated

[plucky flax]

Watch yon barrels!!

[wind spruce]

I just want everyone to stfu about Zendaya

[rigid sky]

Poor Things was great imo

[compact cargo]

who

[plucky flax]

Bullet Train is pretty good action movie.

[wind spruce]

That's the spirit

[rigid sky]

Actress, main character in Euphoria

Idk what else she's done

[compact cargo]

So a nobody

[rigid sky]

She's fucking great in Euphoria

[compact cargo]

yes but, a nobody

[upper sun]

mid

[wind spruce]

Dune, spiderman

[rigid sky]

Less of a nobody than me lol

[plucky flax]

Lil' Timmy is great in Dune.

[rigid sky]

I have far fewer acting credits than Zendaya

[upper sun]

but ur ciag guy

[rigid sky]

I spam mah builds a bit I guess, just want to spread the same joy I get from this game

OK fine I'm as big as Zendaya

[weary crane]

https://tenor.com/view/jaw-drop-shocked-face-funny-sus-gif-6800971269662910489

At least 15 terabytes

[lapis violet]

jojo pose

[lapis violet]

annihilation? must-watch for me

[cinder moon]

what are you running for blaze trauma, i'm still trying to figure it out

[plucky flax]

Build right at the start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ-bMEwvcxw

[upper sun]

bots survived 10 minutes doesnt count!!!!!!

[plucky flax]

Pls never play blaze trauma.

Need buffs first.

[cinder moon]

i will play it and say it's objectively bad and start another argument

[upper sun]

so tru so tru its bad

[worthy trellis]

Looking for a bit of advice on survivability on Auric Damnation. Currently running a Mk 4 Force Sword, Surge Staff, 3 x Toughness Curios with extra toughness, sniper damage, toughness regen

Whenever I get even slightly out of position I seem to almost instantly die. Basically feels like without a team to somewhat protect me I die lol. I do decent on my other classes, trying to master this one more.

Running BB, Bubble, Warp Siphon
I've got my full build with exactly what I have (not perfect perks but not bad) https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bd4962c-fab0-4887-a3db-0930da7785aa/psyker-build-4

[upper sun]

seriously tho

theres kind of a gap between truama/void and purge/surge

[cinder moon]

my smoothest runs are either surge/smite or void/whatever

void is bonkers

[upper sun]

my smoothest runs are in the bathroom

[upper sun]

i can send you my build for surge if that would help but tbh most of it is movent and positioning

[worthy trellis]

I'd love to at least compare. I blindly took the top part talents, still trying to see which help with survival and which are just pretty numbers but don't do much 🙂

[plucky flax]

Few suggestion. You have no horde clear with deimos and surge. I'd suggest going illisi with surge. Also surge and bb do the same job but surge just kill faster. Unless you want to take it purely for the bb proc chance then it's fine.

I'd also remove empathic evasion you don't have enough fire rate to proc that often like assail or purga.

[worthy trellis]

I do struggle with horde clear for sure

[upper sun]

what he said

[plucky flax]

You die fast when surrounded because you don't have kinetic deflection. So your guard get broken very quickly.

You can spam push forever though with psyker stam regen delay.

[worthy trellis]

Interesting, I'll change up my melee, swap those talents, and practice pushing more. I rely heavily on dodge and don't push much right now

[cinder moon]

surge/illisi/smite is the way to go IMO

you can make up for lack of long range by using staff LMB

illisi with deflector will get you out of tight spots where you can't surge or smite

[worthy trellis]

I for sure don't use LMB enough on that staff

[upper sun]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bd498f6-57f6-489b-b945-de0d85a31da9

[cinder moon]

also creeping flames vent so you can surge/smite for longer

[worthy trellis]

Last question, can I easily swap in voidstrike staff and keep the rest once I'm ready to learn that staff?

[upper sun]

pretty much

[topaz steppe]

I love voidstrike it’s my fav

[plucky flax]

My least favourite.

[upper sun]

i use the same thing for void

[worthy trellis]

I consider the Surge basically like a less risky Void, but I see how much the Void can do when used well

[cinder moon]

hadron just won't give me nexus 4 on trauma, it's been like 100 staffs now

[upper sun]

i got flurry 4 and nexus 4 in one day for truama

[cinder moon]

[plucky flax]

Surge has aim bot.

[upper sun]

just upgrade to blue

[plucky flax]

Very easy to play well.

You should spam surge more!

[cinder moon]

i got ultra lucky with my dueling sword and void rolls though so i guess this is my bad psyker RNG

[upper sun]

brain OFF
surge CHARGED
yup its zapping time

[upper sun]

ye took me forever for one good void

the +5 crit on it is crazy good

[cinder moon]

this is my best trauma out of 100+ rolls

[tawny pebble]

hadron taketh

and taketh

[plucky flax]

RIP no flak.

[cinder moon]

brunt also hates giving me any trauma over 350

[tawny pebble]

and taketh

and taketh

[upper sun]

idk if its the charge rate or what

but the 373 one feels so much better

[cinder moon]

not sure how relevant blast radius is with void

[upper sun]

not at all

inspect one at look at the range

i asked the very same thing turns out it has ass scaling

[cinder moon]

[upper sun]

still bigger than a zarona bullet

[cinder moon]

look at this absolute banger from brunt

[upper sun]

HELL YEAH

[patent steeple]

blast radius 2%

what does the explosion aim circle look like in actual use if its got 2% radius?

[plucky flax]

Inspect it.

Miniscule explosion.

[cinder moon]

i already sold it, just took that one pic for posterity's sake

[upper sun]

also might be a hot take pen on ds swords has alright scalling

like 15% off pen give you what -3% on flak and 1% off carap

[plucky flax]

Pen can be offset with uncanny strike also.

[patent steeple]

btw, does Anticipation work now?

[vestal fulcrum]

"now"? Has it not worked before?

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[patent steeple]

I meant the part of it that increases dodge duration...

[vestal fulcrum]

It never increased "dodge duration"

It increases a different stat, but one correlating to dodge

[patent steeple]

ok well would "dodge i-frames" be more accurate?

[vestal fulcrum]

This is what it does

It effectively makes it so you are harder to track after dodging, by melee-based enemies (the grace period is longer)

And it gives you an extra effective dodge, of course

[spice veldt]

it hasn't been bugged
it just doesn't do what you'd hope it does

[patent steeple]

so if I take it on a gunker build where my DS4 has only 4 dodges, then I could survive better if I ned up in melee?

[vestal fulcrum]

As many other things in this game

[vestal fulcrum]

Well that's still a "maybe", but in theory, still maybe yes

[patent steeple]

I mean, idk which would be better for gunker, Empathic Evasion or Anticipation...

[vestal fulcrum]

It's not the most valuable skill point of all time, but if you feel like you can make good use out of the extra dodge or you want to have a slightly longer melee-tracking grace period, then go for it

Definitely Emphatic Evasion

It has more relevant use cases on Gunker

[patent steeple]

I mean, I could grab both Empathic and Anticipation, but then I cannot get Warp Expenditure or Combustion...

Expenditure for better toughness regen during Gaze, or Combustion for... ummm... probably getting soulblaze on DD targets in mixed hordes...?

[vestal fulcrum]

Expenditure IMO is even lower than Anticipation in my book

It's not a good toughness replenishment talent overall, the conversion ratio is just bad.

Perilous Combust is solid, though, it's a lot of extra "burst" damage in an AoE for just doing the things you should be doing

[upper sun]

is pc really good on things other than purge and truama?

[vestal fulcrum]

It's free damage

Sooo...

[upper sun]

but the range isnt all that great

[vestal fulcrum]

You can also bust groups of small elites as Gunslinger, there's no hiding away from that

[vestal fulcrum]

Yeah, but elite groups are typically tightly packed up and/or have some small enemies near them

[upper sun]

tru

but i'm still on the fence id have to play games back to back with and without it

[patent steeple]

but does 3 stacks of Soulfire get to do anything, really?

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, they sometimes are, but my point is that whenever they are, you can pop a couple of elites and launch a chain reaction of the rest burning to their deaths

[plucky flax]

Always combustion always wildfire.

[vestal fulcrum]

No, but kill 3 tightly packed elites/specials and sing along to Disco Inferno

[upper sun]

idk i feel like if 3 soulblaze stacks are the difference between killing something and not then usually my team will fire a potshot or two towards whatever is causing the issue

[tawny pebble]

my purgation flamer zealot friends love torching everything with me

[upper sun]

blind leading the blind smh

[vestal fulcrum]

It might not matter always, but it's a valid observation

[tawny pebble]

well, I also use purgatus staff, being fair

wall of fire > spreading stacks

what're they gonna do, shoot me?

[rigid sky]

I think it's better than it looks

More uptime on regen

[vestal fulcrum]

but does one really need it, is always the big question

[upper sun]

ideally? if you're never in trouble and never have to resort to that for toughness no

[vestal fulcrum]

I often have to wage that with Ogryn's toughness replenishment options, especially since one option was buffed this patch to be actually relevant

[upper sun]

but i was in a couple of situations where it would have helped though simply being better would have resulted in me not needing it

[rigid sky]

It's another layer for the Swiss cheese protection model

[upper sun]

i think ur just hungry man

[tidal scaffold]

i want to make a good smite psyker what build do yall reccomend and tips for using smite?

[rigid sky]

We die from taking melee hits without toughness at full typically

[upper sun]

switch to your main weapon and only use it in emergencies

[rigid sky]

So more periods of time where we are generating toughness are better

[rigid sky]

Definitely take Venting shriek

It combos into creeping Flames so well

[vestal fulcrum]

It's fine, I just don't feel like I need it most of the time. Soulstealer and Quietude are typically more than enough

[tidal scaffold]

warp charges or empowered psionics?

[fathom totem]

Empowered Psionics very good now.

[rigid sky]

Yeah, it is the least necessary one of all of them

[upper sun]

depends on the ranged weapon

[rigid sky]

Mettle too btw

[fathom totem]

Just swapped over from warp charges.

[upper sun]

EP smite is still not great for damage

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

its not

illisi is better clear than smite

[rigid sky]

I would probably take warp charges still tbh

[fathom totem]

200% smite is very good now.

It was 125%

[rigid sky]

And try to focus on spamming more creeping flames

[upper sun]

smite has two modes team pls help >.< and THANK ME PEASNETS

[upper sun]

whats that like 6 more damage per tick?

[fathom totem]

Burn down a whole pack of elites.

[fathom totem]

If you have to do it alone. The spread is good. :p

[rigid sky]

Smite isn't there to be your damage source imo

[upper sun]

yeah

[rigid sky]

But idk, maybe it can be now

[fathom totem]

No it's not. But penance.

[rigid sky]

I feel like getting more shrieks per minute matters more

[upper sun]

like ok to be fair even if you're smite only you can still help out the team

[rigid sky]

Idk what the penances even are, haven't had the chance to play yet

[upper sun]

but you know what also helps? a weapon

I will never forgive real asian robot for the smite psyker meta

[fathom totem]

EP elite kills.

[upper sun]

so does a bullet

[fathom totem]

It's going to take forever if you going to use BB.

[marble crater]

Kill enemies with barrels

[rigid sky]

You would be surprised

[upper sun]

a staff kills them faster than either bb or smite

bb is mostly used to support purge now imo

[rigid sky]

My top build is an EP brain rupture bubble trauma psyker

[fathom totem]

Toke me 4 games to do 250 elites with EP on smite.

[fast frost]

Should include fire ones

[rigid sky]

I often end up being our primary ranged elite/special killer

[fathom totem]

That's in auric though.

[rigid sky]

Me too lmao

[upper sun]

tell me honest to god you wouldnt still do the same thing with any other build

[fast frost]

I’ve been running surge and smite and loving it

[true zenith]

Hey guys, which group is best to get help with psyker penances?

[fast frost]

Also for the endeavours I’m susprised there’s not one for auric maelstrom

[marble crater]

Tips for completing them? Here

[rigid sky]

Not on my purgatus build

[tidal scaffold]

what is the deal with people not following the servo skull in the phage tree mission

[fathom totem]

Just ask in the vox channels or here. There should be people that are willing to lend a hand.

[true zenith]

More like ask for people to join for malleus monstronum

[tidal scaffold]

like guys its not THAT hard to follow the shiny skull

[upper sun]

you can try #vox-lfg-lexicanum or asking in #general-chat

[marble crater]

The vox lfg channels then

[true zenith]

Alright thanks!

[upper sun]

🤔 yeah the hoard clear weapon

[rigid sky]

Yeah but I'm talking about brain rupture use

[upper sun]

shit i gotta go

[tidal scaffold]

brain burst can be fun when your sniping specials from across the map without even thinking about it

[upper sun]

also i kinda forgot what my point was in the first place

[rigid sky]

If I have purgatus I find it's better to stay purging as much as you can

[fast frost]

https://tenor.com/view/going-crazy-mr-boss-smiling-friends-freaking-out-going-wild-gif-5258506792416434328

Me trying to do any movement objective based with randoms and they don’t follow the skull

[lapis violet]

turns out they gave psykers the blicky this patch

[tawny pebble]

we've got the strap

[radiant frigate]

they finally gave sienna a glock...

[untold niche]

btw how come reviews for DT drop

from mostly pos t mixed

[crude cape]

probably because people wanted more from the update

wasnt a bad update

[untold niche]

apparently its people annoyed, yeah

[crude cape]

just wasnt really 'content'

but good stuff for the framework of the game

[lunar hollow]

theyve said the crafting rework comes after the penance stuff

and people are mad it isnt crafting

[crude cape]

i hate to say it tho, still feels like "unfinshined" stuff that the game shoulda had at 1.0 to me lol

that too for sure

i was also dissapointed when i heard no crafting

[rich spindle]

So does EP smite kill poxwalker hordes any faster now

[lyric burrow]

People cannot read

They dont get what they want

And they get mad

Then they get what they want and get mad anyway

Vet also got nerfed and we all know how vets are

[rigid sky]

I think it's partly Veterans mad about surv aura

[lunar hollow]

people oftentimes give themselves false expectations of what an update will include

pox gas and the tox bomber are both cool updates that add more consistent gameplay changes than something like a new map

[untold niche]

xD how was he nerfed

[lunar hollow]

but new maps and weapons are also in the works

[rigid sky]

Melodramatic little bitches

[lyric burrow]

Survivalist got a CD

[rigid sky]

Surv aura

5s cooldown

[untold niche]

vet discord must be so mad

[lunar hollow]

5 seconds between procs praise the LORD

[rigid sky]

Not really tbh lol

[untold niche]

what is pox gas

[rigid sky]

Most of the ones on here are like "sweet, I get to path on the right now"

[rich spindle]

They needed to nerf plasma and shout :/

[untold niche]

always could, is just they influenced by meta / peer pressure i feel

[untold niche]

pee shout, pee sword

[rigid sky]

True tbh

[untold niche]

like i wanted to run the right hand side one and some guy was just absolutely going wild on me

for not taking surv

[rigid sky]

I had one build without it already

[lyric burrow]

There is a lot of things that could be nerfed but surv was a big one, however its unlikely that you will get big weapon changes till crafting cause people will freak out

[rigid sky]

Entitled shitheads

Suppose you weren't on a vet at all

[untold niche]

the channel?
I go in and had a bad experience until path replied me

[lunar hollow]

same general principle as the gas in the twins fight

[lyric burrow]

Less punishing

[lunar hollow]

its bugged rn so it doesnt really work

[untold niche]

tox flamer throw that?
or how it spawn

[lyric burrow]

I thought it worked too well

[lunar hollow]

but its cool

[untold niche]

tox bomber*

[lunar hollow]

there's a condition for it and tox bombers also throw it

[untold niche]

lol

[lyric burrow]

Was the issue

[rigid sky]

I mean if you weren't a vet at all they wouldn't expect the aura from you

[lyric burrow]

It is neat though

[untold niche]

i wasn't a vet main but they still told me to pick it when i first started making the build

let me screen shot, will censor

[rigid sky]

It's mostly a "if you can take it, take it"

[plucky flax]

420 smoke it with vet

It'ts very based.

[untold niche]

he keep say same thing for like 5 messages

[lunar hollow]

ppl relying on survivalist are cowards

i am unashamed to vacuum the ammo

i will use it better than you. i need to magdump this wall because of a revelation i had in a dream

[untold niche]

right before that screen shot i said this

i never had team thirsty for ammo unless there was like two ogryns spamming rumbler, no surv and no staff psyker

[spice veldt]

people not looting at all getting outed this patch

[untold niche]

wat u mean

[spice veldt]

cuz you wouldn't be running out of ammo if you loot

[untold niche]

oh

[plucky flax]

Average columbus psyker.

[spice veldt]

theoretically ~1000% ammo pickups on the map and 2 ammo crates

[plucky flax]

Just spam that op gun against anything and everything and steal all ammo.

[untold niche]

1000%?

no way

[lunar hollow]

(i do this with laspistol)

[spice veldt]

i've only seen up to ~810% so far

[plucky flax]

Do it with columbus for the 'meta' build.

[spice veldt]

oh wait it was 850% #psyker-class message

[plucky flax]

Look at me I carried the game
19 small ammo 12 big ammo 5 ammo crate pickup

[lyric burrow]

Simply use assail + gun and you will never need ammo

[spice veldt]

so sad that gun psyker has no way of mitigating ammo usage

guns on non-vet classes DEAD

[untold niche]

i don't knwo for how much ammo there is on the map just thru experience its so weird that guy so insistent on surv like it make the game 10x more fun and im dissapointing whatever religion i believe in

[plucky flax]

Why swap to blitz when you can just hold left click with laser beam rifle.

[lunar hollow]

fun is directly tied to how many shots you fired

don't you know

the less bullets = the less fun

[lyric burrow]

So true

Uninstalling

[spice veldt]

good riddance

[untold niche]

i take shotgun never run out of ammo before
don't know what he smoking

[lyric burrow]

After dealing with old dogs and hunting grounds and mission map this is where i draw the line

[lyric burrow]

What the fuck

Youd miss me

[plucky flax]

Based columbus psyker. Least plasteels but most ammo pickup.

[spice veldt]

i miss the oxygen that has been consumed by you

[rich spindle]

So how does this work now with 25s cooldown

[cinder moon]

you can get scrier's back in like 10s

or faster

[untold niche]

i think irosk test it and ya it overlaps now

[lyric burrow]

You dont deserve it

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/blowing-capuchin-monkey-monkeyboo-blowing-air-giving-some-air-gif-18753683

that both of u
yoshi and arco

[rich spindle]

Soo the ability starts re genning as soon as you click F

[spice veldt]

nuh uh

[lyric burrow]

Wrong animal

[spice veldt]

no

[untold niche]

i like monki
and both of u are monkeys

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

monke gud meme animal

underrated

[lyric burrow]

I am a monkey

In multiple ways

[plucky flax]

Time to go shave my legs.

[lapis violet]

do not, i repeat, do not use DD+bubble+surge+dueling4

worst build of my entire carreer

[marble crater]

What did you use for hordes?

[radiant frigate]

i do not really consider that a nerf personally

[plucky flax]

Plasma vet will now hoover up all the ammo.

[lapis violet]

assail

[marble crater]

Better than BB

Could have been a worse build still

[lapis violet]

bb wouldn't have resulted in me killing myself 3 times

[radiant frigate]

on the flipside, you can run other auras and not feel like you are completely inting

[marble crater]

[radiant frigate]

• no more dog-shaped ammo deliveries on hunting grounds

[lapis violet]

lmb smite-ahh pose

[marble crater]

New poses were a nice addition

[lapis violet]

yes. the ones we had were really not great

[plucky flax]

Speed aura buff to 10 or 12% would be nice.

[marble crater]

Need to grind penances now for the psyker pose I want

[lapis violet]

psyker had "anxiety", "the thinker" and "schizophrenia"

[marble crater]

Pretty fitting descriptions

[lapis violet]

now we've got some good ones

but also smite lmb, so

win some, lose some

[marble crater]

Can't win them all

[lapis violet]

this would have been such a nice pose if you could choose the melee

imagine this with an evis

or an hsword

[marble crater]

Choosing the weapons in general would be nice, or it just taking the one you have equipped could work as well

[lapis violet]

basically what i meant

for veteran i get the lasgun because literally all regiments use them but for zealots?

knife, hsword, eviscerator, HAMMER, DCLAW would all work wonders

a chainsword is a space marine thing for me

that or a guardsman captain

[marble crater]

Maybe if we complain enough it will happen

[lapis violet]

there's more complaints that i have

for example that some mission final objectives (or just stationary "wait for this thing to happen while you kill enemies") desperately need the chance for daemonhosts to exist or for monstrosities to appear

like, imagine you're doing the repair mission with the cryonic rods, right? the loading section would be great if one stairway was blocked by a DH and you had to be careful

or a chaos spawn running at you while a teammate's sweating with the auspex code

more come to mind but i've had this thought for a while

would even bump up the difficulty for super-advanced teammates or super good players

[cinder moon]

boss spawn at the end of consignment yard is fun

[lapis violet]

yes! more missions need this

[plucky flax]

Spawn a monster at hab dreyko end event.

[cinder moon]

[lapis violet]

wait

[cinder moon]

you mean the escape right?

[lapis violet]

what's hab dreyko end?

[cinder moon]

boss at the tree would suck for real

boss chasing you for extract would be cool though

[lapis violet]

OH SHIT

imagine

that would be awesome

[nova bridge]

What boss/monster would that have to be, to make it extra cool?

[lapis violet]

a beast of nurgle, obv

[cinder moon]

chaos spawn or scab captain

[lapis violet]

oh for extract?

yeah either of the two

[nova bridge]

Was going to say Greater Deamon of Nurgle

[cinder moon]

slug puppy would be fine at the tree

[lapis violet]

nah, plague ogryn charging you and pinging you off the edge

[plucky flax]

Bonbon at the tree.

When 10 ragers and 20 gunners drop on yo ass.

[lapis violet]

with 4 snipers making it a laser corridor

[plucky flax]

The new end event is really hard without stealth.

[lapis violet]

for hab dreyko?

[plucky flax]

So many specials and elites spawn. And the area is much smaller so less kiting.

Aye hab dreyko.

[lapis violet]

they made it smaller?

[cinder moon]

smite unironically great for that

[lapis violet]

anybody shitting on smite hasn't been picked up while a psyker was smiting

[plucky flax]

They blocked off the far corner.

And the entire side opposite the rescue area.

[cinder moon]

most people still like to meme about "muh smytker smiting 2 poxwalkers"