psyker-class

[marble crater]

Pretty much

Some players use smite for 99% of the mission, smiting two poxwalkers instead of just using the melee, smiting a horde that's already taken care of by the zealot or ogryn, but now instead of it getting funneled into a door all the enemies are spread out outside and stunned, so they need to walk out and kill 1-2 enemies at a time instead of having them all come through the chokepoint

[stuck sinew]

That last point doesn't really seem like that big of a deal imo

[plucky flax]

Always blame yourself not others.

[radiant frigate]

Real

[granite mauve]

But i'm the best, so naturally, the blame always fall on others

[dim parrot]

Always blame others not yourself

[marble crater]

Not for me personally, but I have seen that complaint a few times, so I included it.
I would rather have someone who smites too much than too little, but I would also rather have someone that smites only in the important situations instead of all the time
As long as we complete the mission I don't mind too much unless people are toxic

[stuck sinew]

I mean if it's those people that go down and complain you're not killing their smite targets for them I get it

Like you can switch

[marble crater]

That's something I have seen more while leveling or in lower difficulty, because some people maybe didn't play psyker and don't know that the smite won't kill the 5 crushers, even though it looks really impressive

[stuck sinew]

I have had to do that to clutch on one occasion because there was no room

[marble crater]

"Oh the psyker has it handled, I will kill those other guys instead" type thinking

[stuck sinew]

It took a min

[dim parrot]

best advice, If u sense somebody being not that good at the game, just stay near the ogryn, so that he catches all the bullets flying your way

[plucky flax]

Let him cook!!

[marble crater]

On Vet I try to stay away from the ogryn, I want to hit the enemy

[hollow current]

When I return to the game I’m probably going to eat the dirt SO hard.

[radiant frigate]

most likely

[supple dock]

the last point is MASSIVE in aurics

you get swarmed

and making every single attack kill 10+ pox walkers is pretty important

[stuck sinew]

I only play auric, it's really not when all of them are stunned and (if empowered) also dying anyway

I mean I've never done it without EP tbf

[radiant frigate]

what attack and what point

[stuck sinew]

Why would you

[supple dock]

in general, for people who have aoe or cleave

nothing specific

@radiant frigate

funneling enemies into one area

[lethal lagoon]

Oh god, who would do such a thing? Certainly it wouldn't be obvious from the scoreboard, given smite can't crit or weakspot. Man it'd be embarassing being caught doing something like that.

[rigid sky]

How strong is EP with smite actually? I tried a surge/smite/EP build and one with WS instead

WCs boost the Surge and gives you more Shrieks which I really liked

[stuck sinew]

It either doubles or more than doubles the damage icr

[rigid sky]

I only really like EP with brain rupture atm, don't like it much with Assail compared with DD

[lethal lagoon]

EP smite to 85%, shriek, Smite till 100% combo will take a rager to 10% health.

[rigid sky]

Or regular smite into Shriek even

[lethal lagoon]

No?

[stuck sinew]

Regular smite I think is best used in a short burst for the knockback

[supple dock]

oh wow it's almost as if you didn't read what I said about people ineffectively using smite

get over yourself dude

[rigid sky]

The Shriek is a big chunk of damage, getting to hit it more is better right

[lethal lagoon]

All these new people don't get my jokes

[supple dock]

imagine coming off as aggressive towards someone you haven't interacted with

[stuck sinew]

I wouldn't call that aggressive

[supple dock]

snarky

whatever

[manic halo]

its ok atlus

[lethal lagoon]

I think you have no idea what you read and are reallly confused.

[manic halo]

i still love you

[lethal lagoon]

It's actually kinda of funny how agressive you are.

[supple dock]

?? You're coming off as passive aggressive and idk you dude

so yeah, i get it if you're being funny

but idk you so idk if you're serious or not

[stuck sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowns-gif-26474330

[manic halo]

that gif is mesmorising

can't stop watching it

[supple dock]

so yeah I apologize if I'm out of line, but I don't know how you usally act

[manic halo]

its like it loops perfectly

[lethal lagoon]

You don't need to know, everything was there in the joke, it was a smite-only scoreboard.

Just a bad comedian, don't look at my shame.

[manic halo]

https://tenor.com/uVLK.gif

[supple dock]

man sarcasm and passive aggressiveness is hard over text

we're alright though. sorry.

[manic halo]

Im not alright

[lethal lagoon]

I'm saying you don't have to read it, the scoreboard was the kicker to the joke

[manic halo]

im ready to kill

kill YOU

whoevers reading this

[lethal lagoon]

😨

I read it

[manic halo]

https://tenor.com/sJKd17Qh9t.gif

[supple dock]

i guessed it was smite and it's a really good score, but the comment to go with it made me a bit defensive

[plucky flax]

Imagine getting only smiter and a blaze trauma dude on your team. Literally impossible to win.

[manic halo]

onlysmites

new name just dropped

[dim parrot]

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, you thought I ran a smite-only, literaly smite-only auric as a serious build and not a meme, therefore the whole comment comes off differently

[supple dock]

yeeee

lack of information ;;

[lethal lagoon]

Imagine getting carried in an Auric Mael duo by a lvl 11 psyker

Yikes

[manic halo]

https://tenor.com/bLBn0.gif

[plucky flax]

It was lvl 7 tho.

Or 6.

[lethal lagoon]

6, lvl 11 came after

[lethal lagoon]

I'm really sad to learn how unhuggable sloths are

Like literally one of the most dirtest diease ridden animals ever.

One scratch and you have a disease thought to be extinct.

[dim parrot]

[lethal lagoon]

[dim parrot]

[lethal lagoon]

[dim parrot]

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

sloths are so slow they don't realize some diseases are last century

[plucky flax]

Worse than komodo dragon?

[manic halo]

hug a koala bassicaly same thing less disease

except for the chlamydia

[lethal lagoon]

sloths are so slow by the time they've decided to scratch you and infect you with a disease from the 13th century, you've already been dead for 100 years.

I can't spell disease, I give up.

[dim parrot]

deseaiasese

[lethal lagoon]

Nah Komodo's are comfy

[marble crater]

We talking about which animals would be immune to nurgle?

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

What's ur vote?

[marble crater]

Tardigrades would probably have a good chance

[lethal lagoon]

That's cheating

[marble crater]

Then maybe some deep sea fish, who knows what's going on down there

[lethal lagoon]

I'm with Dog, cause that big nurgle slug is already a dog

[radiant frigate]

would you really call that "immune" though

[marble crater]

Should we feel bad for killing a beast of nurgle?

[supple dock]

yes

they're basically puppies wanting to play

from what i've heard

[radiant frigate]

okay but their play kills you

[fair spruce]

that are so virulent they kill whatever they get close to

so they're in a state of constant 'YOU! PLAY?' and then disappointment/confusion when the person stops moving and melts

[supple dock]

lmaoo

[radiant frigate]

are plague drones a thing in 40k too

or is that a fantasy special

apparently yes, they are a thing, and they do the same thing

[marble crater]

And then they get really sad and depressed and turn into something very nasty and dangerous, yes?

[potent echo]

when a bonbon dies does it go back to bonbon heaven

[fair spruce]

nope, just lil los pupi lookin fer fren

[stuck sinew]

They turn into rot flies

[thorn cedar]

they get sent to a farm up-hive where they can frolick and vomit to their hearts content

[fair spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1229089721091756184/vivaldi_4_seasons.mp4?ex=662e6a00&is=661bf500&hm=9e618920f5497cfb9594a1f22555dc594f4bc0b8791ed6a5d31afa753cf64af5&

[supple dock]

LOL

[ornate hamlet]

vivaldi 4 seasons

[fluid skiff]

so, does anyone know why psyker gets the dueling swords but the veteran doesn't?

[jovial juniper]

Because of refinement

[plucky flax]

Just played 58 mins long game.

Very based. (My fingers are dead.)

[marble crater]

Did you use trauma?

[jovial juniper]

Go and smack something with a shovel vs here's 40 ways to use this weapon

[plucky flax]

I was on zealot.

[marble crater]

Ah, then you can't use this game as evidence for trauma buffs sadly

[plucky flax]

Knife zealot in fact so I kited a lot. Would have died on psyker pretty sure.

[small whale]

I haven't had that long of a game in years what the heck happened

[plucky flax]

It was VEG maelstrom. Green monsters.
2 dudes died and ragequitted, so we had 2 bots since the first event. Then the other dude with me died 5 times. I had to solo clutched like 4 times during the map so it was slow af.

[small whale]

thats ruff

[plucky flax]

If the other guy left while waiting for me I would have left too. But he stayed so I had to soldier on.

[marble crater]

Looks like this AgentChaos guy is kinda good at the game

[plucky flax]

Not when he plays blaze trauma

[marble crater]

Because blaze trauma is a handicap, please buff

[hexed storm]

Is this a mod other than Scoreboard ?

[quick python]

that looks like ovenproof's edit for the scoreboard

theres also PowerDI

which is more a data tracking tool than a scoreboard

[plucky flax]

Addon for scoreboard aye

[marble crater]

Is that new one worth upgrading?

[supple sedge]

Sparkheads?

When ogryn in team

Kill snipers

Ogryn gun not good at long range

[restive ice]

rock

[supple sedge]

Try doing it while in horde

Not easy

[near bobcat]

https://streamable.com/i46h38 So I tried my first auric maelstrom.

sadly lost at the train tracks with a DH but it was a hell of an experience

[rocky yarrow]

what do you run purgatus with?

[hexed storm]

got a link ?

[marble crater]

Which melee? Dueling sword for me

[rocky yarrow]

idk im trying to figure ou what role it fills

[marble crater]

Purgatus is close range horde clear, so you want a melee for high single target and BB or assail for far away targets

[plucky flax]

Something to deal with crushers. So duelling sword or deimos or knife.

[plucky flax]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/241

[hexed storm]

Thank you

[broken carbon]

psykers are fancier, more "refined" more glass cannony while vets are more brutish and agressive

[plucky flax]

Vet have mk6 powersword the most op melee weapon.

They don't need to touch any other melee.

[radiant frigate]

i would not call vets brutish

zealots definitely

[radiant frigate]

power greatsword when?

[jovial juniper]

That's why the heavy stuff

[ornate hamlet]

Vets are more aggressive until the player finds out psyker has goated active defenses and is a bar of soap

[radiant frigate]

local space wizard "like a bolt of greased lightning", sources say

[ornate hamlet]

Like a bar of soap if it was covered in soap

Homie zooming around like it's Dragonball 40K

[rich spindle]

We need staffs with combos

[jovial juniper]

We need staffs

[rich spindle]

Wow.

[jovial juniper]

Ikr

[potent echo]

I think if that ever comes out it's just going to be a weaker pee6

[potent echo]

It's hard to top (destroys hordes, staggers ragers, 2shots crushers)

[rich spindle]

It 2 shots crushers? I never used it

[cinder moon]

work the alt attack into your regular kit, boom, combo

(unironically, staff alt attacks are slept on)

[jovial juniper]

Killing with alt1 has the same feeling of slapping something to death as Ogryn

[wind spruce]

They really arent

[supple dock]

considering your RMB staggers just fine on EVERY staff

And if you're close enough to poke with your staff then you should pull out your melee anyways, no?

[potent echo]

Yea and the staff bash is also SLOW, not even like guns which are instant

There's definitely an speed advantage of bash cancelling reload on slower guns (bolter) to stagger dogs/bruisers rather than swapping then pushing

[supple dock]

It'd be cool if the alt attacks allowed you a stronger variant of your RMB for one shot at a significant peril cost

[potent echo]

Imagine if they gave us carian greatsword lol

[cinder moon]

at critical peril, no chance to quell, need to attack something and don't have time to pull out melee

i've used the staff alt to put distance between me and a rager/bruiser on a few occasions

this is not to say the staff alts are good, just that they are underutilized and underestimated

[supple dock]

I mean I can legitimately see that

[potent echo]

You can like using them but you can't convince me that they have a place

[supple dock]

But generally your skill helps prevent that kinda stuff, bubble means you're next to allies at all times, venting shriek is just extra defense vs it

scrier's gaze is..

[cinder moon]

vent can be on cooldown, i don't run bubble

[supple dock]

...well. you're probably fine

of course

But it's a pretty rare scenario is all im saying

[cinder moon]

once in a while you're in a situation where the alt is genuinely the most viable option to take

[supple dock]

Hmm

You know what?

I'll try it if I see myself in that scenario

Will report back

[cinder moon]

helps that you can spam alt1 into alt2 very quickly

[lethal lagoon]

Is this a controller thing?

Because then I can buy it

Switching stuff on controller feels slow and painful

[cinder moon]

no

[lethal lagoon]

[cinder moon]

this is a "shit's in your face and switching to your pistol isn't faster than reloading" thing

[lethal lagoon]

Melee swap block, dodge slide away, etc all superior to gandalf bonk

[cinder moon]

there are scenarios where you have nowhere to dodge

[lethal lagoon]

I would argue I've never been a scenario like that without having been a lil dummy

But in that case, block, block push still better

[cinder moon]

rager in the middle of their attack pattern, just bonk

[lethal lagoon]

Hmm ragers... might be an exception

[cinder moon]

sweep, now you've made room, dodge

it's part of the toolkit, people should learn how to use it

like i said earlier, it's not good, but it's situationally useful

[lethal lagoon]

I can buy it

mostly cause I want it to be useful

But still

It's just... it's never really 1 or 2 ragers pressuring you that's a problem, no?

[cinder moon]

that's what the sweep is for

[potent echo]

You sweep one then the other one catches you, or you sweep and it hits a poxwalker

[cinder moon]

all you need to do is make enough room to dodge/give enough time to swap to melee

[lethal lagoon]

Aye, you keep saying enough time to swap to melee, but that's instant

[potent echo]

It's a real desperate moment if you need to press that button, worse still it isn't instant

[lethal lagoon]

I'm not too sure what you mean by that

[potent echo]

The staff swing is probably the same time as swapping to melee lol

[cinder moon]

the bonk comes first and is quicker

[lethal lagoon]

Probably more, the swaps in this game are game-breakingly fast, they cause all sorts of bugs.

[cinder moon]

sweep is there if you need it

i've gotten downed while trying to bring up melee

it's not instant

[potent echo]

It is faster than FS push attack for sure

But you can just FS block and dodge

Block OP

[lethal lagoon]

How long have you been playing? Back when Ob was the only(useful psyker) melee weapon, swapping inbetween attacks was the highest DPS

Swapping is instant

l1 swap swap, l1 swap swap, l1 swap swap was infinitely more DPS than just l1s and was insanely fast. I think it still is.

[potent echo]

Your inputs need to be on point though, because there is no buffered inputs afaik

[lethal lagoon]

Of course Obs is dead

But still

[cinder moon]

since early access; don't try chalking this up to a skill issue

[potent echo]

I mean it really is an input issue

[lethal lagoon]

I just... so much of this game's tech is around the weapon swap being game-breakingly fast.

I'm not even saying skill issue, just priorization issue maybe

[patent jacinth]

QQ is a fatshark thing

[cinder moon]

at least the other guy said they'd go try it, meanwhile y'all will theorycraft scenarios where the staff alts are useless simply to justify ignoring part of the psyker's toolkit

[potent echo]

QQ swap is real and can hurt you

[patent jacinth]

Exists in VT as well

[potent echo]

But if you hold block while swapping you don't block on frame 1

You have to swap them press rmb

Iirc

[cinder moon]

which is less reliable than simply pressing alt attack

which in certain scenarios may be more useful

[potent echo]

Sure but I played 2k hours of tide games so

[jovial juniper]

I do apologize, but this is false

[cinder moon]

which is all i've been saying

[lethal lagoon]

Have you compared it to keyboard?

[potent echo]

Which leads me back to you can like it but you can't convince me it's good

[cinder moon]

i didn't say it was good

[spice veldt]

this is so funny to me

[jovial juniper]

Literally 1 button

[potent echo]

Ok not good but it's not even worth using imo

[spice veldt]

this is what no updates does to a mf

staff alt attacks being the hill to die on

[cinder moon]

lol

[lethal lagoon]

There's 2?

[cinder moon]

all i'm saying is people should learn how and when to use them

ofc a bonk and sweep aren't going to be as good as a karking sword

but they do serve a purpose, which can be leveraged

[spice veldt]

firstly, i completely disagree that it's even situationally useful especially on the class with the highest base stamina regen delay

[cinder moon]

most matches i never touch staff alts, but once in a while it's useful

[potent echo]

In that sense sure

[spice veldt]

sure, it's useful if you completely mismanage your stamina on the class with the fastest stam regen delay

[jovial juniper]

Not by default

[cinder moon]

not every match is going to go perfectly, especially in pubs where people have no idea wtf they're doing

i'm going to use every tool at my disposal

[lethal lagoon]

One to access your blitz, the other weapon swaps. Unless I'm remembering wrong. It's been a few months since I tried controller.

It just feels wrong for a class that uses blitz alot

[jovial juniper]

Down pad

[lethal lagoon]

It makes melee combat or atlerntaivenly blitz combat painful

[spice veldt]

but you don't have to play perfectly to use your melee

it comes out far faster than the staff bonk

just lmb + rmb

[lethal lagoon]

Which for psyker being blitz heavy, is super annoying

[jovial juniper]

But it's not

[lethal lagoon]

It just doesn't feel fast or snappy to go from melee to blitz to ranged etc.

[jovial juniper]

Lack of practice is showing

[lethal lagoon]

Look mate, there's not much sense in contiuning this unless you've also have plenty of hours on keyboard, agree to disagree.

[spice veldt]

i don't know if you know this, but the push comes out the moment you press lmb + rmb

[lethal lagoon]

Everything I'm saying is relative

[spice veldt]

it's not tied to the animation or anything

the very instant that you press lmb + rmb, it comes out

and this is true for ALL melee weapons

[lethal lagoon]

this is one of the few games I play kmb, so definitely not lack of practice, kmb is just superior in a lot of ways for this game unfortunately.

[cinder moon]

pushing requires stamina

[spice veldt]

and the only melee weapons so far that have a delay on swap so far that i've seen is on ogryn

[spice veldt]

damn good thing i didn't make repeated remarks about psyker being the class with the fastest base stamina regen delay specifically to make you avoid saying something stupid

[lethal lagoon]

[cinder moon]

i'm quoting sefoni here because you've been largely missing my point anyway

[spice veldt]

i don't think i'm missing any point
I am specifically tackling the statement where you said it was situationally useful, which I completely disagree with

this one

[cinder moon]

there are certain uncommon scenarios where the staff alt is more useful than trying to pull out melee. in 90% of situations, it's not useful. happy?

[lethal lagoon]

(give me a gandalf staff slam or give me nothing)

[spice veldt]

no, I completely disagree with that at all

you are missing my point

there is no 10%

[lethal lagoon]

10%

I'm not sure I agree I just like the symbology

[fair spruce]

preach

[cinder moon]

congrats on never having been in that situation

[jovial juniper]

For ranged, maybe
For melee, not really

[spice veldt]

yes, and I don't think it's difficult to avoid situations where it would ever come up as an option better than what you have

[lethal lagoon]

? it's painfully obvious when someone is playing controller because of how slow they turn and react in melee compared to kmb.

[jovial juniper]

You can change settings

Sensitivity, dead zones

[lethal lagoon]

It's still not going to be even relatively comparable to meleeing with a high dpi mouse.
(holy english)

[cinder moon]

maybe in your dream, sibling, but when you're playing with shitty pubs anything can happen

[spice veldt]

motherfucker i do pub

i don't get where my reputation for only doing premades comes from

why do people keep jumping to this argument

[cinder moon]

i don't even know who you are

[spice veldt]

why are you implying that i don't pub then???

[cinder moon]

because you're acting like every match goes perfectly

[spice veldt]

how

you're the one saying that there will be a situation where a bonk + sweep that comes out with a noticeable delay will ever somehow be more useful than a melee + push that comes out instantly

[cinder moon]

never a 10% where pubs somehow magically do literally everything wrong such that one piece of the toolkit which is extremely niche can actually be useful

[spice veldt]

yes there's never a 10% because a melee push is just straight up going to dominate those scenarios because it comes out instantly

why would i ever wait for something that has a delay and is cleave limited

instead of relying on something that comes out instantly, has infinite cleave, the game cheats in your favor against dogs and bursters

[cinder moon]

you missed the part where this is a niche piece of kit and is capable of interrupting attacks when you're at 0 stamina and backed into a corner and have literally no time to swap or anywhere to dodge

[jovial juniper]

You can set a sensitivity, have better access to your alt

[spice veldt]

and you're blaming your team for this...?

[lethal lagoon]

Look you said earlier "ranged, maybe". What if I told you melee in this game benefited even more than ranged from using a mouse

[cinder moon]

they share the blame

i don't claim to be innocent

[spice veldt]

if you end up in corners that frequently, sure

[cinder moon]

i never said frequently

go back and reread

[spice veldt]

but enough for you to make a "10%" statement

[cinder moon]

don't get so hung up on a random number hoss

[jovial juniper]

I play this game, I know that

[lethal lagoon]

Then what do you want lmao
That's also literally not what you said
#psyker-class message

[spice veldt]

situations where you are simultaneously out of stamina, in a corner, and unable to dodge
and since dodging is not a factor, waiting 0.5 seconds also works

lemme time the bonk and see how fast it comes out

[cosmic sigil]

@austere crest is famous now

[jovial juniper]

Controller is as good as mnk for melee

[strong gulch]

staff special

[lethal lagoon]

That's a wild claim to make without playing kmb

[lethal lagoon]

Skudie been on reddit a few times, one was for cheating cause her build zooms too fast

[jovial juniper]

I could say the same about mnk, but I will not

[lethal lagoon]

I have literally no idea what you just said, did you mean to say controller?

[supple dock]

normally shortened to kbm btw!

mnk is confusing af

[jovial juniper]

That's a wild claim to make without playing controller

Better?

[lethal lagoon]

I literally said I played it?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah, then you said you stopped

[lethal lagoon]

When the game came out I played 1-30 and some time after with controller before switching.

Kmb was so superior despite the fact I rarely if ever use it

It was an obvious choice

[supple dock]

in most scenarios controller doesn't have the ability to snap and track as easily

[jovial juniper]

Up to player skill

[supple dock]

haven't played darktide with it but I have played fps games with controller and it's always a slog

[lethal lagoon]

Alright, you frequently forget things both of us have said, you are a grey name, you've never actually played kmb, you are messing with me right?

[supple dock]

if you're more comfortable with controller that's fine

but it doesn't give the same amount of control or comfort in most cases

[jovial juniper]

1. What does the color have to do with this?
2. Played mnk
3. Not messing

[spice veldt]

0.35 (plus or minus 0.0166s) seconds for an uncharged bonk to come out
(and it has no cleave in a situation, something that you would deeply need if you were cornered to the point of being unable to dodge)

stamina regen delay being 0.5s for reference

[lethal lagoon]

I can see it being useful if one angry rager corners me. But like at that point, I should just accept my fate.

What's the speed for swapping to melee and using dueling sword special, I feel like that would be a good comparsion.

As the use case is mildy similar if you squint.

[torpid girder]

am i crazy or can't u just like take out ur melee and dodgeslide/push and then stab them or something

[cinder moon]

go back and reread

[torpid girder]

i'm not exactly the smartest can u explain it for me cuz i'm having trouble understanding

[lethal lagoon]

@wind spruce

[wind spruce]

It's for those situations where you're so backed into a corner and surrounded you can't dodge anywhere, you're at 0 stamina, you're stamina has depleted in the last 0.15s so you can't push before the staff bash would come out, you don't have a ranged weapon that will stagger and there is only one enemy/few enough enemies that the cleave limit on the staff bash won't be a problem

I.e.

Fucking never.

[torpid girder]

that's wut i was thinking so i'm confused

[cinder moon]

there are other times it's useful, i just picked that example out of a hat and everyone started reeing

[torpid girder]

and like isn't the first hit of the staff special a stab anyways

so it'd only really be a singletarget attack

and i just tested it, it doesn't even stagger ragers unless hit in the head with either hit

like atp why not just m1 instead

[lethal lagoon]

That is accurate

But also they need to give an actual staff special.

[torpid girder]

give it sienna's scythe special

:)

[lethal lagoon]

Give me gandalf or give me death

[torpid girder]

wizard staff slam magic aoe

[lethal lagoon]

That's the gandalf

[torpid girder]

sienna's scythe does that too so that's wut i was thinking

[torpid girder]

also another big thing is that on half of the staves you could probably just M2 anyways right

like surge/trauma

[wind spruce]

Provide a scenario then

[cinder moon]

at critical peril, bad idea

[cinder moon]

maybe when i'm not in a match

[wind spruce]

That comes out slower than the 0.5s to regen stam to push, tbf to knite

[torpid girder]

ig that's fairrr

Ig i'm thinking in situations where like u aren't completely cornered and there isn't an enemy already in a melee animation

[wind spruce]

You're not wrong, we're just in Copeland atm

[torpid girder]

I do also think that "X thing is good in X situation" is a generally weird argument since literally anything can be good in hyperspecific situations specifically made for them but i'm a little dumb

[wind spruce]

I'm pretty happy to say that there's literally no scenario the staff bash is the best option

[torpid girder]

since like wouldn't how good something is be heavily correlated to how common the situations it's good in are

[torpid girder]

that's also fair

[cinder moon]

best option, no. only option, maybe

[wind spruce]

If it's your only option it's your best option lol

[torpid girder]

i was going to say that but that's just semantics so i didn't think it was that important

this is also assuming like things like shriek are on cd/ur not using shriek right?

Honestly my biggest question is how are u running out of stamina if you're mostly using a staff considering everything you do with the staff forces you to be walking or charging unless ur running like a run n gun purgatus for some reason so there's no way u would have 0% stamina when backing into the corner right?

unless u were blocking with ur melee weapon beforehand and that's how u have critical peril with KD but then why would you take your staff back out after

[wind spruce]

Extremely valid point. It might not even be possible to get into the scenario described unless for some reason you sprint into a corner with your staff out lmao

[cinder moon]

as if every round goes perfectly

[wind spruce]

Fucks sake dude

[torpid girder]

yea I was trying to put myself in the exact situation with like ragers or something to even see how viable it would be as ur only choice but i'm having trouble just putting myself into the situation

[cinder moon]

what part of "niche" do you guys not understand

[torpid girder]

It's not even like going perfectly it's that you physically have to try to put yourself into that hyperspecific situation

[wind spruce]

You aren't remotely listening to us and this comment proves it

[torpid girder]

Like in a practical perspective i think it's effectively impossible for that to happen unless you physically tried to make it happen

but i'm not very smart

[wind spruce]

We are clearly talking about scenarios where A LOT of things have gone wrong

[cinder moon]

literally what i said

[cinder moon]

.

[torpid girder]

It's not even that "Everything is going wrong" it's that both everything needs to go wrong AND you need to go out of your way to make the wrong decisions to put yourself in that situation

[wind spruce]

So why do you keep saying "as if every round goes perfectly" as if we are saying it does?

[torpid girder]

we're alrdy talking about the thingy as if everything is going wrong yea

[wind spruce]

We are saying that even in extremely imperfect scenarios the staff bash isn't your best option.

[torpid girder]

i was just saying like even in that situation cuz of the stam system and how psyker's staves work i don't really think it's possible for it to happen

[cinder moon]

everything has to have gone wrong to be in this scenario

which sometimes happens

i said this is a niche piece of kit

[torpid girder]

^^

In practicality it's just impossible for it to happen unless u go out of your way to make it happen on purpose

the scenario i mean at least

[cinder moon]

besides, there are other scenarios where it's useful, but y'all are so hung up on this one that it's going to be irrelevant anyway

clearing a poxwalker out of the way before casting a surge, or something like that

[indigo portal]

From my skimming of this convo the real solution is to not put yourself into a niche scenario only solved by a staff bash. Seems like it'd actually take more effort to set up the scenario than it would to just avoid it.

[cinder moon]

yes, brilliant

[mental grail]

As a console main who moonlights on PC, yeah lol

I've been playing on gamepad for like 15 years, and I'm already better on PC in like 6 months

wildly superior in any fps game

It's not that gamepad is horrible, its just that the kinesthetic for a keyboard are way better for binding

[torpid girder]

mmhm basically

[plucky flax]

[austere crest]

o.O

[strong gulch]

What I don't understand about staff special is its cleave. It does SO little and yet it has a lot of cleave.

[cinder moon]

they're for making space, not actually killing

though you can use them to finish off bruisers/poxwalkers

[strong gulch]

I upvote Atlas's demands. GIVE us big no pass slam.

It's for memes.

[cosmic sigil]

potato, you're back???

[torpid girder]

The maelstrom ai director today is soooo angry

[plucky flax]

Be like me and play sedition.

[half iron]

low int sedition director is a meaniehead😢

[stable halo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP-hGXwDiHs

Some assail gameplay footage

[plucky flax]

Big true its scary

[lethal lagoon]

Except halo

Halo is always to be played a controller.

[plucky flax]

Don't cod games have crazy aim assist on controllers.

Ez free hax

[lethal lagoon]

Why waste money on anti-cheat when you can just give the players cheats

[potent echo]

Works when you are fighting with only around 3-4 enemies on your screen at once

[lethal lagoon]

Everyone waiting for Elon Musk to make catgirls meanwhile....

[radiant frigate]

is the best way to use deimos just to avoid using it whenever possible?

[potent echo]

Nope

[vestal fulcrum]

You typically don’t want to be using it most of the time

It’s just the stabbo that you want it for

Had it not had the H1 and L2-4 cleaving attacks so awkwardly angled…

[radiant frigate]

as i thought

awkward weapon tbh

[vestal fulcrum]

You know you’re dealing with jank when your only remotely powerful attacks are L1 and H2

If only they looped perfectly

[radiant frigate]

meanwhile illisi:

[lethal lagoon]

Deimos should just be double heavy pokes like d4

[potent echo]

Ew removing combos from weapons

[vestal fulcrum]

It should get Obscurus H1 overhead attack

[potent echo]

Imagine if all weapons played like the new evis : 🤮

[vestal fulcrum]

Overhead into stabbo would be awesome

[lethal lagoon]

Oh overhead is a good one

[vestal fulcrum]

(Or the other way around IDK)

[lethal lagoon]

Inserting completely worthless attacks into a weapon isn't the same thing as it having a combo

[potent echo]

Ok fine the H1 sweep actually sucks and I won't even use it for horde clear

[lethal lagoon]

Like if the H1 had a single use case I'd agree with you

But it doesn't

[potent echo]

It's like a punishment if you failed to combo properly

[lethal lagoon]

It exists just to make us suffer, cause we complained about FS just a few too many times

[marble crater]

That's how I feel about the H3 on the Ironhelm

[potent echo]

That actually has some use

In mixed hordes situations a charged thrust H3 can oneshot gunners

It's something

[lethal lagoon]

You scared me there

[marble crater]

Yeah, I just want a combo for horde clear that's less awkward on a weapon that doesn't get the special blocked by a poxwalker

[potent echo]

I'm about to restart the staff bonk discussion

[rigid sky]

I mean I love the evis XV

But I want it to be a minority of weapons

[potent echo]

Hey they added 200 damage to H3 ironhelm activation, must be good now

[rigid sky]

Easy unga bungas are important for less mechanically gifted players (and for when you want to turn your brain down)

I would like them to put a difficulty rating on weapons tbh for new player accessibility

[radiant frigate]

doesn't it have that exactly though

[rigid sky]

I was scared of trying the XV for so long because the II humiliated me

[radiant frigate]

the XV is just vt2 exec but juiced up

[vestal fulcrum]

Damage profile-wise?

[lethal lagoon]

Humiliated is a strong word

[potent echo]

Unga bunga exists as an option

[lethal lagoon]

[vestal fulcrum]

IDK actually, but the attack is diagonal and hits ass

[radiant frigate]

also animation-wise

[vestal fulcrum]

What, the H1 on Deimos is not an overhead

[marble crater]

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s a funny puny diagonal swing right to left IIRC

[potent echo]

Even vt2 exec has a liiiiittle bit of nuance where push attack and light 3 had a higher crit chance, so you would do that to proc swift slaying

[vestal fulcrum]

They should give H3 like 2000 damage boost and maybe then it could be useful

[radiant frigate]

okay so they are similar but not same

and obscurus overhead does a tiny bit more damage than deimos diagonal

[vestal fulcrum]

Re: damage profiles, they are identical

[potent echo]

The only meaningful breakpoint of H3 ironhelm activate vs H1/2 is that you need only 1 thrust stack to kill ragers rather than 2-3

It's soooo minor

[vestal fulcrum]

(which is stupid, considering Obscurus has 2 heavy attacks like these, and one is an overhead, and the other is a horizontal-y swing that has an odd angle as well)

[potent echo]

Yea the Deimos one makes you think it's like a horde clear-y move but it isn't

[radiant frigate]

does it

[vestal fulcrum]

It is A BIT horde-cleary

[potent echo]

Spamming light does better than trying to weave in H1

[radiant frigate]

actually yes i am an idiot and compared weapons with different damage%

[potent echo]

Sometimes I just start spamming heavies

[vestal fulcrum]

Spamming heavies is fine if you're up against elites in crowd/dense bruiser swarms

[potent echo]

My favorite playstyle is Deimos/void/assail

Void and assail can handle anything, Deimos is mainly for boss damage

[vestal fulcrum]

Light spam I'd only ever consider against regular horde dudes, and if I have a power buff going on

[radiant frigate]

swap deimos for illisi and assail for brain burst and we can talk

[potent echo]

Yea but if your build requires Deimos to hard carry killing hordes then don't bring surge staff with Deimos

[potent echo]

I realised that I started to use void like BR and that assail actually complements void more

Void has similarly infinite range and you charge it to kill far away elites, to me they are too similar

[radiant frigate]

turns out we just use them differently

[potent echo]

Yea because I have assail so I use it differently

[supple dock]

i like my clear cut use of surge/illisi/br

[potent echo]

And deimos

[supple dock]

every weapon is a specific use

[potent echo]

If you swap your loadout around the entire playstyle changes

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[potent echo]

Dornktide

[radiant frigate]

which is why i have tried a bunch of things and found what i find most comfortable

probably same for you

[potent echo]

Actual self expression in builds

[radiant frigate]

illisi surge assail is pretty comfy too

or even ds4 surge assail

[potent echo]

I might need to whip out my smite gunker build more

[supple dock]

i like br because snipers mostly

ik assail can get them too but there's some crazy angles that snipers can get

[marble crater]

With EP or Warp charges?

[radiant frigate]

neither, DD

[marble crater]

Hmm

[tired estuary]

I've had zero problems with deimos lights vs hordes idk

[supple dock]

deimos is so bad vs hordes

it's an amazing sword for single target but that is pretty much it

[radiant frigate]

i would not take deimos without assail

ever

[tired estuary]

even l1 can hit multiple enemies before power blessings and it swings quickly

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s somewhat manageable if you’re playing Smite/Surge with Shriek

But sometimes you will have to hold a horde with Smite and sneeze at it

[tired estuary]

ig y'all instantly assume fetal position when you have to spend more than 2 seconds clearing a horde with melee on other classes

[wind spruce]

It can do the job but so can every melee weapon. Deimos is pretty close to the bottom in terms of horde clear

[supple dock]

When you have a horde of 100+ combined with LOTS of armor in the middle of it, you're gonna get pushed into a very unfavorable position

[lethal lagoon]

I have no idea what this means. Deimos is like D/C-tier for horde clear. Wouldn't I assume fetal positon if i have to clear a horde with Deimos? It's really easy with actual horde weapons.

[wind spruce]

What do we actually think is the worst psyker melee for horde clear

[lethal lagoon]

Staff bonk

[wind spruce]

Trigger warning pls

[lethal lagoon]

[untold niche]

huh what happened
new low

[lethal lagoon]

3.8k is pretty high atm?

[untold niche]

no no

not he part i highlighted

watch the end

[lethal lagoon]

I mean I can guess that number, but I don't know what it is.

It's just a bad screenie

[untold niche]

1737

i jsut watned to show the trend

[wind spruce]

Bloody hell

[lethal lagoon]

1737 in the middle of the night for a dead live service?

That's pretty decent

When it dips below 1k is when it's panic time

[untold niche]

1650*

[lethal lagoon]

I mean you look at the jaunary to patch 13 numbers

And compare

For a more accurate picture of if this is really bad

[untold niche]

[wind spruce]

Don't worry penance update will fix it

[untold niche]

i think its a genuinely fun casual game

dk why it fell off so hard playerr count wise

[wind spruce]

Because there hasn't been an update in 6 months and we all have the attention span of an orange?

[lethal lagoon]

They released an early access game and pretended it was a full release

And then pretended it was also a live service

Lots of pretending

[untold niche]

so many buildas to grinmd for tho

[lethal lagoon]

So the lowest weekly average prior to patch 13 was 4100

[wind spruce]

This is 2024 boy, if you don't give me new content my dopamine runs dry

[lethal lagoon]

Last week was 4100

That means it's time for a huge release, penance patch is bigger than we though

[wind spruce]

Every class except Psyker is boring af and I have every weapon maxed and 100,000 plasteel

Not many builds left to try

[untold niche]

no last week dip was 17xx, peak was 4xxx tho ya

[potent echo]

I think everyone already knows the numbers will never really bounce back to a healthy live service

[lethal lagoon]

I'm just basing it off what the chart says

I assume it's measured the same

The year chart I mean

[potent echo]

That's why they are working on ____tide

[wind spruce]

You'd think people would realise but they still seem surprised everytime fatshark disappears

[untold niche]

i find zealot fun
ogryn is fun if you ignore how easy-to-not-die it is

[potent echo]

It's like an abusive relationship where you feel good once every 20 interactions

[lethal lagoon]

Ogryn is functionally immortal, the reddit convos about how easy he dies is geniunely painful.

[wind spruce]

I finally picked up zealot recently after literally 14 months without playing it and fuck me, the whole talent tree is solvable in about 5 minutes and it's utterly boring

[vestal fulcrum]

Itemisation rework update might bring in people long term, but if there will be no meaningful content updates to follow that up, they probably won’t stay for long

[lethal lagoon]

LIke if you don't get disabled, you really shouldn't die

[untold niche]

he gets chunked by gunner yeah
i assume that specific redditor don't know about sliding

[lethal lagoon]

Kind of? But I mean that's why you roll 40-60% gunner res

[potent echo]

Even then it only delays the problem

[untold niche]

you still get chunked tho

im not saying hes not stronk

im just saying if you don't know about sliding you get chunked by 12 gunners pretty hard

[lethal lagoon]

That is not my experience. Then again I run around 200 toughness

[patent wing]

guess u didnt see me playing ogryn

[potent echo]

It's roses until you run out of FNP stacks

[lethal lagoon]

All Ogryns are good Ogryns

[untold niche]

i expected more from you as a regular in the discord

[potent echo]

If they are struggling they probably either don't have FNP or just don't keep FNP stacks

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkeys-disappointed-tired-af-tired-gif-18385092

[patent wing]

last game with ogryn was like, oh i cant dodge, theres an obstacle, -> down 1 second later to 2 gunners and a flamer and the bulwark behind me

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-side-eye-side-eye-look-gif-2172576260448763209

[lethal lagoon]

All Ogryns are good Ogyns

[potent echo]

Flamer plus disabler is the wombo

[lethal lagoon]

[patent wing]

oh im a regular now

[untold niche]

i see you somewhat frequently here yeah :v

[lethal lagoon]

You SEA a lot huhd

[untold niche]

fak u

[patent wing]

me too me too

btw i got hooked playing zealot

this mf is unkillable

[untold niche]

i ||SEAmen on ur mom||

@lethal lagoon

[patent wing]

i have 700 hours on psyker and like 60 on zealot now yet coming back to psyker was uncomfy xd

[wind spruce]

Yeah well you were literally inside your mums foofoo

[lethal lagoon]

I SEA up

[wind spruce]

Gross as

Why even be born

[patent wing]

funnily enough going to zealot from psyker also felt bad because there was no toughness source besides the dodge thingy

[wind spruce]

Yeah the no toughness thing was a bit weird

[untold niche]

you slash one line 50% toughness back

[untold niche]

what does htis read
im dumb dumb

[wind spruce]

It's like why aren't I back at full after doing literally anything

[potent echo]

Zealots have the weakest toughness replenishment and I don't know why

[patent wing]

its kinda ok with the dodge source + the momentum keystone

[lethal lagoon]

When a wizard with OCD sees what he fears most and the whole class get's to watch his mom give birth to him.

[potent echo]

Even the vet right one is straight up better

[wind spruce]

And then it's like oh my ranged damage sucks balls compared to Psyker so I literally just melee all game

[untold niche]

its so bad i always take second wind (15% toughness on dodge)

[wind spruce]

Yawn

[lethal lagoon]

[patent wing]

i just dislike that the zealot is weak against bulwarks gangs if u dont use the flamer shotgun

[lethal lagoon]

Say "I SEA U P" out loud

[potent echo]

I get so mad when little zealots run at me from miles away to free me from dog instead of shooting

[patent wing]

but the problem is that voidstrike is also really bad vs bulwarks

[untold niche]

you didn't caps up or put fullstop
you the dumb dumb

not me

[potent echo]

Nuh uh

[untold niche]

huh

[wind spruce]

Only sort of

[untold niche]

voidstrike hit through shield

and open

[patent wing]

playing zealot is just cocaine infused melee combat and coming back to play the squishy glasscannon that hides is new

[lethal lagoon]

[potent echo]

Is zealot really cracked in melee

[patent wing]

yeah but low dmg

[wind spruce]

If you hit a surge headshot it instantly goes splat

[potent echo]

I just pick up shield ogryn and shit on literally everything

[patent wing]

through the shield?

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/bleh-capuchin-monkey-monkeyboo-stick-out-your-tongue-put-your-tongue-out-gif-18753696

[wind spruce]

Pretty sure?

Can't you headshot through the shield?

[untold niche]

shield ogyrn and rumbler
rumbler is just trauma scaled down

[patent wing]

i dont think so

[lethal lagoon]

How long did it take for you to get into that make-up? Probably just 30 minutes. They had lots to work with.

[potent echo]

You just shoot the void open

[lethal lagoon]

[potent echo]

Shoot the void at head

Dead

[untold niche]

don't laugh at my monkey

[patent wing]

yeah but needs fully chargd shot to open it which takes ages without flurry

[untold niche]

either away at msot its going to take 2 shots iirc

[wind spruce]

Idk bulwarks don't really bother me much with void

[untold niche]

^

[patent wing]

6 bulwarks running at you dont care about one shield opened

[patent wing]

with fully charged headshots maybe

[wind spruce]

I just sorta ignore them

[untold niche]

if i don't care about 6 crusher you think i care about 6 bulwwark

u funny man

[wind spruce]

It's not like they're a real threat

Plus the other elites that run through them just get splattered

Adding PC stacks

[lethal lagoon]

[patent wing]

well they run fast

[wind spruce]

But then they attack slow

[patent wing]

and you need much time to charge and shoot all those shots

[untold niche]

void staggers them :v

[patent wing]

yeah one

[wind spruce]

And you just ignore them while dodging

[patent wing]

thats why trauma best

but trauma gameplay unfun

[untold niche]

i never felt like bulwark problem
me me think skissue

[patent wing]

im like lvl 250 psyker with hardcore twins badge tho :(
won with void psyker

[wind spruce]

Someone go test if u can weakspot them through the shield

I insist

[untold niche]

thats what make it worse
im just level 70 and have it too.

[wind spruce]

I'm level 900 and I don't have it

[patent wing]

but did u get it with psyker

[wind spruce]

I did regular twins once and got bored

[patent wing]

i was kinda disappointed when i saw that i can use it on all other classes too

the flex was winning as psyker

[untold niche]

yeah?
I only play a5histg and a5mael on psyker

[worn beacon]

Say fellas, waht should be good perks on the DS4?

[patent wing]

yeah me too

[lethal lagoon]

Maniac and Carpace

[wind spruce]

Carapace maniac

[untold niche]

how come u have problem with bulwark den

[lethal lagoon]

No, Maniac and Carpace

[patent wing]

i dont have problems with them

[worn beacon]

Carapace? Why's that?

[patent wing]

i just say there are better staffs than the void to deal with them

[lethal lagoon]

Because you can 3 shot crushers

[wind spruce]

Scrub

[worn beacon]

o

oooooooo

[lethal lagoon]

Still faster than you

[wind spruce]

Because you have tiny nimble fingers

[lethal lagoon]

I actually have issue with wearing out the rests on mouse pads cause of my giant forearms

[untold niche]

it not 2 shot?

[lethal lagoon]

💪

[wind spruce]

Hot

[lethal lagoon]

(it's definitely not cause I'm a cheap motherfucker)

[wind spruce]

So I've been playing assail EP trauma

And you cannot one shot mutants without uncanny stacks

[potent echo]

Assail eeepeee

[lethal lagoon]

How do you get out of the habit of buying cheap peripherals for an expensive PC?

[wind spruce]

It's so shit

[potent echo]

Uncanny is just so good

[untold niche]

dk just start to hate it?

[lethal lagoon]

My hate is reserved for petty arguments on the internet.

[wind spruce]

So I started using my DS with maniacs and specialists again

[potent echo]

The forbidden answer: ||clean your desk||

[lethal lagoon]

🤢 🤮

[untold niche]

my desk is 4chan level messy and i still have a ninjafx mousepad

[potent echo]

If you have a clean desk and a shitty looking mousepad yea

[potent echo]

How long have you had it

Did you get it while you table was still clean

[untold niche]

dk few years?

no

i got it because i wanted it

dats all

[potent echo]

Damn you build different

[lethal lagoon]

I think he's built pretty average

SEA his name

[untold niche]

it may have contributed that i grew up in my messy house

a*

[potent echo]

Pay for a cleaner

[lethal lagoon]

A cleaner doesn't handle a desk mate

You gotta clean before the cleaner

[wind spruce]

I mean

[untold niche]

give me da moni

[wind spruce]

They will if you pay for it specifically

BREACH THE GAP

[lethal lagoon]

How will they know what's garbage or where it goes?

messy desk is no buono

[potent echo]

They know somehow

[untold niche]

but tbh against 12 gunnerws your shield will actualy only last for about 2 seconds

its veryy good against bosses tho dat i can say

[potent echo]

Wow so the best case you become shield plant gryn

How is this good again

[wind spruce]

mY bUiLd iS sTroNk bC i bUiLd pEriL 4 mOAr dAmAGe

[potent echo]

If they are in a doorway maybe they can like take cover behind the doorway (???)

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-angry-scream-gif-9202931

[wind spruce]

No need for cover for I WILL BE YOUR FORWARD SHIELD MAN

I'm sure none of the enemies will target you anyway

[untold niche]

you guys are having too much fun mocking reddit

https://tenor.com/view/run-afraid-gun-monkey-gif-15569301

[wind spruce]

If I am overwhelmed I will VENTING STREAK

[untold niche]

dats u irosk

[vestal fulcrum]

They clearly have an answer to everything

That does not justify giving Deflector more credit than it should have

[untold niche]

for 5 seconds

[wind spruce]

Yes yes, me with my columnus

(Actually accurate bc I can't aim)

[potent echo]

Every single gaming discord on the earth, prove me wrong

[wind spruce]

I just lay down suppression

[untold niche]

ReDdIToR BAd

https://tenor.com/view/мавпа-monkey-зроз-gif-14946422106251947498

[potent echo]

We should put upboats on discord and further lessen the value of human conversation

[wind spruce]

Upvotes fuel me

[untold niche]

psych ward mod

It adds Mourningstar functionality (shops, mission select, melk's, crafting, psykarium) as menu options in the character select screen.

[potent echo]

I have the hub shortcut mode which is mostly similar

Press C to open hadron, M to open mission select etc

[wind spruce]

Yeah I've had a similar one for like a year

Something something menu buttons or whatever

[supple dock]

I use the hub hotkeys one

[potent echo]

Being able to open hadron in the psykanium is amazing

[untold niche]

thanjks im going to install that

[vestal fulcrum]

I legitimately would have gone insane, were it not for this mod and hub hotkeys

[untold niche]

you know up till now i don't have it :p

[vestal fulcrum]

[potent echo]

Why does hd2 still not have mods

[wind spruce]

Yeah that's until you refine a weapon during testing and spend half an hour wondering why you're not getting the fucking carapace bonus for mauler headshots

[manic halo]

smarter people can explain whyt prob

[wind spruce]

(Because you didn't reload the psykhanium 😦 )

[potent echo]

I don't need to, I just swap loadouts and it works

[wind spruce]

Fair

[lethal lagoon]

I've had some bugs with swapping

[potent echo]

Make sure you load the alternate loadout and not just quickly swap in the menus

[lethal lagoon]

I have no idea what that means

[wind spruce]

Select loadout, exit menus

[potent echo]

You switch loadouts, exit menu, see your character literally swap weapons, go back to menu, swap back

[lethal lagoon]

Is there another way of doing it?

[potent echo]

That's the fastest way I know

[cunning yew]

I bet this guy wants Infinite smite back

[lethal lagoon]

No I mean how can I be doing it wrong if there's only one way to do it

[potent echo]

You basically need to unload the current weapon in your hands

Somehow

Anyhow

[lethal lagoon]

We get people in here occassionally complaining about the surge "nerf"

[potent echo]

Those people are gone

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, very short stays

SurgeBnB

[potent echo]

Hate is always good for gaming discord

Shows that there are new players

No hate means dead game

[lethal lagoon]

[potent echo]

But at least I still see some level 30-50 around and kicking in QP aurics

[lethal lagoon]

Is probably an alt

[potent echo]

Perhaps

[lethal lagoon]

Alts are kind of rare honestly, from what I understand.

[potent echo]

I treat anyone below 100 basically as a coughing baby

[vestal fulcrum]

If people at level 30-50 can have a score “as good as mine”, it’s probably not their first character

[lethal lagoon]

Most people have a vast majority of playtime on one char

[vestal fulcrum]

Couldn’t be me

[lethal lagoon]

[vestal fulcrum]

670 on Ogryn, Vet is “close” behind at 498 IIRC

[potent echo]

I only have baby hours like 300/200/200/150

[cunning yew]

Probably cuz of sunken cost of microtransaction cosmetics myself included

[potent echo]

And I'm already 1k hours in darktide

[vestal fulcrum]

Tfw I have most of my cosmetics on Psyker, but play Ogryn the most

[cunning yew]

[potent echo]

They added that red gold silk to vets and it always throws me off

[wind spruce]

That red gold silk is mine and mine alone

Stabbing dogs leaping at me instead of pushing them is my new favourite sweaty move

High risk low reward

My favourite

[cunning yew]

The reward Is being avoided roleplaying as pitbull vs infant

[plucky flax]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1c4ivdm/unpopular_opinion_smite_is_a_crutch_convince_me/

[vestal fulcrum]

Brain Rupture is a crutch, fite me

[potent echo]

Activate stab

Unpopular opinion

[lethal lagoon]

I wanna troll with some smite boards, but I fear I'd actually increase the number of smite spammers.

[lethal lagoon]

[vestal fulcrum]

Why do people thing that having 1400 hours in a game is enabling them to have an opinion

No opinions are allowed on planet Earth Tertium, get outta here

[potent echo]

Bro he even signed off with his handle

[vestal fulcrum]

Perfect reply

[wind spruce]

@lethal lagoon this is your fate

Servitor chest

[lethal lagoon]

My OnlySmites subscribers will free me

[cunning yew]

Amazon's next invention

[wind spruce]

Dry my hands peasant

[lethal lagoon]

Yes sir

[potent echo]

Do they even wash their hands on tertium

Stinky

[wind spruce]

Instead of eat shit and die

You die and eat shit

[plucky flax]

Gatekeepers mane

Just let them cook with smite

[wind spruce]

I let people be in game

But there is no mercy on Reddit

[lethal lagoon]

I will say that guy has it completely wrong

the problem with smite is that it does do DPS

The only reason people don't realize it is because every smite spammer runs bubble

It's kind of contrary to a horde game, it needs a rework.

[wind spruce]

Maybe it's because I'm always running around far away from my team like a crackhead but I rarely see smite getting spammed too much anyway

[lethal lagoon]

Smite spammers mostly fell off

[plucky flax]

Yeah there are smite spammers but they are super rare.

[lethal lagoon]

It's a weird time to make the complaint

[plucky flax]

Maybe once every 20 psykers.

[wind spruce]

They included people sitting on assail too which also has fallen off

[plucky flax]

I'll go complain about too many columbus psykers.

That's popular.

[lethal lagoon]

I thought columbus psyker was high skill, even though it was OP

then I ran with another columbus psyker

And we were within 1k damage of each other

[wind spruce]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bcffa3d-8eae-425e-ad64-1c6984054f08/blazing-spirit

It hurts to look at

[plucky flax]

Columbus and high skill

[lethal lagoon]

It's a gun after all, guns have unlimited skill ceiling

[vestal fulcrum]

I was hoping to see Smite upgrades

[lethal lagoon]

But it was like 804k vs 805k for the match, it felt really strange.

[untold niche]

im below 100 thgo

[lethal lagoon]

But it made me realize how cookie cutter columbus assial is

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/giantsbetta-small-monkey-monkey-backpack-monkey-gif-661165206272321637

[wind spruce]

[untold niche]

im enjoying darkest dungeon 2 alot

you guys sghould try it as well

[lethal lagoon]

🦗

[tired estuary]

I'm mostly not big on roguelikes nowadays

[lethal lagoon]

I heard 2 fell off compared to 1

Market got saturated, but I would put 400 hours into Remnant 2 roguelite in a second

They need to release that already

Remant 1 random DLC roguelite mode is my favorite roguelite

Actualy it's technically a real rogue-like, which is rare.

Either way, that shit was amazing.

[cunning yew]

Remnant my beloved

The only thing holding it back Is the poor optimalization of the DLC area

Ruined king or how it is

[supple dock]

one true king