psyker-class

[compact cargo]

When we can use brauto

lmao

All the gun deniers bending over backwards to avoid the superior gun psyker

[marble crater]

Exactly, it's definitely not my most used one together with surge, I hate deleting hordes and elites without much effort

[lethal lagoon]

Me wizard me magic me no gun

[compact cargo]

Magic gun

[lethal lagoon]

Me wizard me magic me sometimes gun

[rich spindle]

Columnus sg is boring to me

playing cod zombies at that point

[radiant frigate]

we can't

it's a vet/zealot exclusive

[dense vault]

it is big sadge when my space wizard is most damaging with bloody firearms

do not want

[radiant frigate]

it is big gladge when my space wizard is most damaging in melee :)

[lethal lagoon]

TBF the firearms suck against crushers surely the best tool for that is magic

Surely

[compact cargo]

Exactly the issue

And why I'll always make the joke

[radiant frigate]

dueling sword coming in with a steel chair

[compact cargo]

instead we got shitty recon

[radiant frigate]

i just use voidstrike ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spice veldt]

when are our psykers going to hit the gym and handle heavier guns

[radiant frigate]

a waste of their unparalleled minds, morrow should send a blunt

[half iron]

when will psykers hit the gym and get a force 2handed chainaxe

[silent socket]

How would I make this recon las better. . .

[radiant frigate]

when will psykers get force greatsword for The Big Chop™️

[rocky yarrow]

what perks are best on columnus 5?

[radiant frigate]

flak maniac probably

[rocky yarrow]

i meant blessings

[radiant frigate]

dum dum and whatever

[rocky yarrow]

my b

cool

[radiant frigate]

2nd one barely matters

dum dum important

[marble crater]

I hope it doesn't get nerfed because it's so good

[radiant frigate]

i think blessings overall are a bit insane

40% extra damage and cleave? sure

300% increase in horde kill speed? of course

bigger numbers just because? always

[upper sun]

some blessings are like MORE NUMBER

other blessings are like eh maybe more number? idk if you're really good and praise the emperor or smth

[rigid sky]

You throw it into a trash compactor

Recon II is the worst variant of the worst gun class in the game

[radiant frigate]

and some blessings are.. focused channeling

or exorcist

[upper sun]

exorcist can be usable if they just made it on weakspot hit

[silent socket]

YKNOW WHAT? NO, IM GOING TO BE UNIQUE AND UNCONVENTIONAL.

I WILL MAKE IT GOOD

WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

[upper sun]

good luck

[silent socket]

That and also it suprisingly melted plague ogryn last game so >->

[upper sun]

I have not used a recon since i leveled psyker

[karmic finch]

It's ok vs monsters

But really meh vs near everything else

Burning stacks is a crutch for terrible up front damage

Oh and reapers

Basically if you're hitting something without armor and lots of hp

Not mutants though they have the modifiers to ranged and melee damage

[lethal lagoon]

They nerfed crit strings on Recon, I don't really get how Columbus mk5 crit strings just got ignored

[radiant frigate]

lol?

[lethal lagoon]

I mean I don't want it to get nerfed

[rich spindle]

Does toughness regen speed only apply to passive regen for psyker

[lethal lagoon]

I'm just really confused about their thought process

[rich spindle]

I think everythting is instant

[lethal lagoon]

Toughness regen is coherency toughness regen only.

It affects both the delay and spd.

[stuck sinew]

Many have tried, many have failed

And will continue to fail until the Devs buff it

[karmic finch]

Ya, coherency Regen.

It both increases the rate it regens and decreases the delay before recovery starts

[lethal lagoon]

Toughness regen is also multiplicative(don't even ask how the math works, I'll cry), so you want 90% or 0.

[karmic finch]

Coherency toughness Regen is just kinda meh compared to the other tools psyker has to get toughness

[rich spindle]

Whats the time diff between 30 and 90

[stuck sinew]

Psyker also has a billion good toughness regen talents

It's kinda redundant

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message

Now you might be wondering "How is that multiplicative"

Well don't wonder.

Just accept it.

[radiant frigate]

the math doesn't work because 30% is not 30%

[lethal lagoon]

Bro dont even I can't.

[radiant frigate]

30% is in fact 25% for another number

[lethal lagoon]

You can read the whole convo we had around that link

[radiant frigate]

i am aware

i was there for it

[lethal lagoon]

Stop changing your name

[radiant frigate]

i only changed it once

[lethal lagoon]

[radiant frigate]

irosk's fault

[lethal lagoon]

And that once happened between then and now

[radiant frigate]

very well i will change again

[lethal lagoon]

[silent socket]

Knife ear

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-eating-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-gif-13425073513713719938

[silent socket]

Still a knife ear.

[radiant frigate]

i'm not trying to disprove the knife ear allegations

[lethal lagoon]

Dragon's Dogma 2 pawns were like 32% Frieren

And everyone followed literally the exact same guide forit

[radiant frigate]

wouldn't know, haven't played

[lethal lagoon]

Fake Elf

[vestal fulcrum]

Based elf

[lethal lagoon]

Based in the land of fake

[karmic finch]

So the reality is, 30% toughness Regen is actually 27% toughness Regen ADDITIVE and 20% toughness Regen delay MULTIPLICATIVE

It lies

[lethal lagoon]

So.... no.

[karmic finch]

Each 30% adds 2.25 toughness Regen, and shortens the delay by 20%

[radiant frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1049121734554566686/1137756580838920334/WhenTheTopicOfHoggarsBridgeComesUp.gif

[lethal lagoon]

You know what, sure, it works that way

Actually wait, not joking this time, yeppers.

No wait I dunno.

[radiant frigate]

toughness regen speed isn't real, it can't hurt you

[lethal lagoon]

[untold niche]

very nice shaders

also atlas are you on break?

you super online these few days

been like 1 month

[karmic finch]

It's both additive and multiplicative

Yay

[upper sun]

ye i also didnt know i just one 30% regen on zealot because i was stuck with it but when i changed it it felt worse

[lethal lagoon]

No it's only multiplicative.

No wait

I don't remember the math

Yeah okay it's additive and multi

[karmic finch]

Each one adds 2.25 Regen per second. So additive (like 27% toughness Regen)

Each one reduces the delay by 20%, this is multiplicative (arguably this is 25% faster)

[upper sun]

wounds are still the best curios in the game because 90% of the time they show up in brunts with a free t4 blessing

unbrickable

[untold niche]

tbh, all you need to know is t regen increases by a flat amount
t delay has diminishing returns.

[untold niche]

^

[marble crater]

@lethal lagoonare you okay?

[upper sun]

just remember more number more better

[lethal lagoon]

No.

I'm not okay

[marble crater]

More wounds is better. Noted.

[untold niche]

intuitively you would know that diminishing return = multiplicative

[lethal lagoon]

Wound psyker is meta because they are buffing the peril explosion to double the size of the ogryn nuke

[marble crater]

And because we can explode more often, right?

[mental rock]

Ah yes the new subclass, martyrdom psyker

[untold niche]

good for sedition

get to explode 7 time

[lethal lagoon]

I just realized that whole couple hour convo didn't actually cover the random ass +2.25 toughness regen.

So the toughness regen delay is multiplicative(in the good way).

That was what we covered

Never even got to the random ass +2.25 toughness regen

[marble crater]

So long story short, we still don't need toughness regen on psyker, yes?

[karmic finch]

Lol, additive can also be diminishing returns

[lethal lagoon]

The additive in this case is diminishing returns yep

The multiplicative is not. It's not about the seconds it's about how fast the delay is recharging.

[karmic finch]

If you have 100% damage and add 50% you just gained 50%.

If you add another 50% you just gained 33% lol

[untold niche]

but thats not additive :v

[compact cargo]

Why do you need toughness, don't get hit

[untold niche]

hold on, 33% of original?

or new

[upper sun]

but being multiplicative is just the same as being additive just repeatedly

[lethal lagoon]

Cough cough

[upper sun]

🤔

[untold niche]

how do you get 33%

[lethal lagoon]

150 + 50 is 33%

100 + 50 is 50%

So yeah additive, and my brain is being weird again.

[upper sun]

uhhhhh technically its 33.333 repeating ofc

[untold niche]

thats 33% of the new, not the original?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, that's diminishing returns. Adding 50% now gives 33%

Multiplicative is if 50% always gave 50% of the new number.

He's cooking

[karmic finch]

In path of exile they use additive %, increased % and more % to distinguish flat added, additive percent increases and multiplicative % increases

In other games it's guesswork

[lethal lagoon]

In darktide they use a random % that internally isn't even the same number

[karmic finch]

I wonder what the lower % toughness Regen ones do

[wind spruce]

Its 30% and 20%

[untold niche]

Im confused.

wouldn't additive be:
your base damage is 1.
your first % increase is 50%
second % increase is another 50%

50%+50% = 100%
so 1 * (100%+100%) = 2

And multplicative:
Base damage is 1
your first % increase is 50%
second % increase is another 50%

1 * 1.5*1.5 = 2.25

[wind spruce]

Because the 8.25 comes from the 7.5 base +10% from the node above seers presence

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah?

1.5 to 2 is a 33% increase

[untold niche]

[wind spruce]

But otherwise you are correct

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-the-simpsons-monkey-gif-15399757

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-the-simpsons-monkey-gif-15399757

[upper sun]

FS should just remove tool tips and just show us code

[untold niche]

Only i get to make fun of myself!

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-hitting-someone-sword-13world-reaction-gif-23469319

[lethal lagoon]

I like how meta it was for you to not get I was making fun of myself

[untold niche]

but why

arent you correct

why would you

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-the-simpsons-monkey-gif-15399757

[stuck sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-inner-machinations-of-my-gif-5040640

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, but you didn't see the engine turning in the background

You also missed my deleted comment

[upper sun]

NOOOOO NOOO NOT THE MILK 😭

[untold niche]

this how i felt when you didn't reply to my small talk

im very dissapointed atlas

i thought we were gamer bros

[lethal lagoon]

Did you small talk me?

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/chico-gamer-gif-22935589

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-the-simpsons-monkey-gif-15399757

[upper sun]

im sorry but did you just SMALL TALK ME?

[untold niche]

Implying i missed you but no reply

[wind spruce]

But the bar fills up with less reduction in time with each additional curio

[untold niche]

im still alive but im barely breathing

[lethal lagoon]

Time isn't real

[lethal lagoon]

Nah I'm a working adult. It's just the worse my insomina get's the more you'll see me.

[wind spruce]

Funnily enough I was watching something today about paradoxes and I think it's a mathematical paradox that seems like it's a paradox but actually isn't

[untold niche]

imagine two young adults arguing over simple math in a coop game.
thats the level we stooped to.

[lethal lagoon]

The barber only shaves people who don't shave themselves. Who shaves the barber?

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-sad-gif-23979342

[upper sun]

barber's wife

or at least thats what my barber said when i asked

[untold niche]

the other barber ezpz

[lethal lagoon]

No making fun of Set Theory

This is serious bussiness

[untold niche]

im taking discrete math atm

so

[upper sun]

does a set containing all sets contain itself?

[untold niche]

;-;

[untold niche]

yeah thats a power set

[upper sun]

every single branch of math other than calc is fake

[untold niche]

clad aren't you going to take masters in CS as well

[upper sun]

electrical engineering maybe idk

if i get accepted yeah if i find a job ill do that instead or somth

[untold niche]

how come you can't help us solve simple math problem smh
|| im totally not in a similar boat ||

[upper sun]

im an engineer i dont do word problems

[lethal lagoon]

If a boat only sails people who don't sail themselves, who sails the boat?

[wind spruce]

I lost a trivia night because no one listened when I said the answer was calculus to the question "what mathematical theory describes change over time" and they put fucking newton's third law

[untold niche]

differnetiation?

[wind spruce]

I'm still 3 months later

[lethal lagoon]

I'm still

[wind spruce]

THE ANSWER WAS CALCULUS YOU LITTLE SHIT

[upper sun]

i remember going to a math class for math majors once i solved everything before the math majors but provided zero elaborations and zero proofs

[untold niche]

sorry man.

[marble crater]

We are all still

[lethal lagoon]

I have become still, unmoving of worlds.

[untold niche]

the proof is important, as important as end result

[upper sun]

too confused to sleep too tired to think

[rigid sky]

I mean I'd understand if they said newton's second, even though it'd be wrong

[upper sun]

nuh uhh

[rigid sky]

third law is just reaction force lmao

[lethal lagoon]

(lowkey I would never forgive them but pretend everything is fine)

[untold niche]

my discrete math prof disagrees

https://tenor.com/view/cocaine-drugs-gif-23720718

^ psyker chat rn

this is about as zealot chat as psyker chat can be

[upper sun]

on all levels exluding the physical i am a casio fx-991ex

[rigid sky]

Psyker chat is the angry argument chat

[wind spruce]

Look, they may have said newton's 2nd law, that bit is fuzzy

All I remember is we lost in the tiebreaker

[rigid sky]

At least newton's second law uses calculus I guess lol

[untold niche]

the only one thing left is for someone to randomly make fun of someone else, and then for that someone else to come in and make conversation with the people, and topic change for 1 hour

[rigid sky]

and newton developed calculus iirc?

[upper sun]

ye

[rigid sky]

so it's pretty close

[lethal lagoon]

You suck

[rigid sky]

average player, you suck

anyway how about the sportsball

[lethal lagoon]

On your screens, who sucked first?

[upper sun]

smart people were built different back then theory doesnt work? make your own branch of math

[untold niche]

Hi atlas

[wind spruce]

There was a guy on my team who everyone wouldn't shut up about working for the department of defense

[rigid sky]

you won for me atlas

[untold niche]

Hi atlas

[lethal lagoon]

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-sterling-archer-hey-phrasing-phrasing-gif-4228674

[wind spruce]

Can't even get an obscure maths question right how u gon' defend the country

[rigid sky]

I wasted time typing their name

[lethal lagoon]

Man, people are so nice nowadays.

[untold niche]

|| tbh i was making reference to them randomly posting stan quotes, and then stan come in and the subject topic changes ||

its funny though, just that the subject change is abrupt at times

[upper sun]

soooo were food posting now?

[rigid sky]

the subject topic, and the name of half of the people in the conversation

[untold niche]

yepp

[rigid sky]

Stan is a fae

except in reverse

[lethal lagoon]

What is objectively the best psyker staff

[rigid sky]

he doesn't steal your name, he just "gifts" you a new one

[rigid sky]

columnus infantry autogun

[upper sun]

trauma

[lethal lagoon]

Hint, it's not Blaze Trauma

[wind spruce]

There is only an objectively worst (purgatus)

[karmic finch]

Trauma

To meme run blaze, else run the charge time and brittleness blessings

[untold niche]

i like to pop heads with void more

satisfying

[karmic finch]

Void can't juggle 8 crushers

[untold niche]

who said

skissue

[upper sun]

yeah void kills them

[marble crater]

You can pop heads with trauma, you just need to wait for the enemies to climb up

[lethal lagoon]

I like to completely turn off all mental falculaties while running Surge.

[karmic finch]

If there's 8 crushers in your face trauma is the only one that copes

[upper sun]

same

[karmic finch]

Surge is my fave, but trauma is better

[untold niche]

letting 8 crusher kiss you is skissue

[lethal lagoon]

I love hate blaze trauma, but aiming it hurts my eyes in like 1-2 games.

[marble crater]

That's a lot of toughness

[karmic finch]

Depends on spawns

[lethal lagoon]

brain off brr on

[upper sun]

remove battle med and add mroe toughness

[lethal lagoon]

The monkey brain satisfaction of filling out the tree is part of the brain off build

[untold niche]

smh the fact that you don't memorize all the spawn doors and patrol locations

[zinc phoenix]

Surge/smite handles green baddies, trauma does not

[lethal lagoon]

Since when?

[zinc phoenix]

And large groups of crushers can be brief smited til they burn, then zap while jelly bean mode

[untold niche]

i remember toda / yesterday either pygex or arco said you can't surge green bulwark because you can't stumble them

[upper sun]

game gets boring if you do

ok 80% chance a trapper is coming from here
90% chance a bomber is gonna show up when we go up the stairs

[patent steeple]

I still have no idea what "green" means in this context, but I assume it means Sedition/Uprising diffs...

[zinc phoenix]

Nurgle blessing maelstrom

[untold niche]

yeah sedition gaming

[zinc phoenix]

😂

[untold niche]

why you reply so fast man

fuk u

[lethal lagoon]

Is that a recent change, surge stunnign nurgle blessing?

[zinc phoenix]

Smite does surge just damages them

[lethal lagoon]

Smite used to not to, at least last time I've played.

[zinc phoenix]

Unless they changed it last patch it does stun them

I haven’t played this patch, got bored

[upper sun]

i dont think thats true

[patent steeple]

right, I never do Maelstroms (I am in a constant Plasteel-grinding limbo so I never get the chance to do Maelstrom), I didn't know what you meant...

[lethal lagoon]

[zinc phoenix]

Yes? Smite still stuns them

[upper sun]

surge targets base armor even if the shield is up it should still damage them

[lethal lagoon]

I'm all but positive smite doesn't stun them.

[untold niche]

you said surge still damages them :v

[zinc phoenix]

Crushers

And other green enemy

Bulwark is not the only kind

And crushers were the initial topic

[untold niche]

oh my bad

sorry

i apologize

forgive me

[lethal lagoon]

He apologizes but secretly resents you

[untold niche]

da me

dui bu qi

[zinc phoenix]

Well @ me if you test it and they’ve changed it so you can’t smite em

[lethal lagoon]

No no, I mean since patch 13 to 17 it doesn't stun green

I thought you were talking about recently it stunned then

That's why I brought up recent patchs

[zinc phoenix]

Are you talking about surge or smite?

[lethal lagoon]

Both

[upper sun]

aaaaa someone check already does creature spawner do greenies?

[zinc phoenix]

Smite does, I tested it after the patch that added it

And used it regular

[lethal lagoon]

I dodged nurgles whenever I rolled smite cause it didn't after I tried it once.

[zinc phoenix]

It does feel slower with them

[untold niche]

i downloadd it few months ago and it doesn't.
Unless new patch to mod

[upper sun]

😭

[lethal lagoon]

Quick topic change

[untold niche]

their tolerance is so fucking high i was wondering how the the flamer that took a void headshot didn't fall down

[lethal lagoon]

I guess I didn't try to smite them long enough.... right...

[untold niche]

does ep smite increase stagger

im too lazy to check darktide build editor

[lethal lagoon]

I pretty much only EP when I actually use emite

So that wouldn't matter for me

No clue though

[karmic finch]

This the shout range?

[lethal lagoon]

Yes

[karmic finch]

It also goes through some walls

[lethal lagoon]

The vertical and horzonital range is the same

Imagine a southpark child holding an ice cream cone

[upper sun]

what about elevation?

[lethal lagoon]

Too slow bud

[upper sun]

please use the inverse square law to find out

[untold niche]

ngl it feels more lik ethis

feels

[mighty olive]

What staff are ya using with ep smite if ya don't mind me askin?

[untold niche]

i know im wrong

[lethal lagoon]

Surgey wurgy

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[mighty olive]

Ooo okay, graci<3 I have a smite surgery with warp charges but I hate warp charges xD I remake build

[karmic finch]

I have had over 200k warp fire from just venting shriek before

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message

[mighty olive]

Damn autocross phone

...autocorrect omg

[lethal lagoon]

EP Smite is meta

[untold niche]

how you know its not from the kill elite blaze

[marble crater]

How do you not quell all the time with EP and surge?

[karmic finch]

Because I don't take it

[untold niche]

ohh

[karmic finch]

Nor do I take the spread burning when they die one

[untold niche]

agent goingto come in

and lecture you

on why wildfire is actually good

I SUMMON THEE

[manic halo]

psyker chat full of numbers

[marble crater]

Wildfire is debatable, but the elite kill wildfire one is actually good

[manic halo]

RP is can't be escaped

[mighty olive]

I love your hairs! XD

[lethal lagoon]

In case you are wondering about the true level, I make too many alts and have multiple psykers.

[karmic finch]

Not the 200k game but a solid one. this was HI damnation I think, might have been HI shock troop

[lethal lagoon]

Don't @ me about wildfire until you play with all healtbars to test the spread

The best place to test is the balcony on the Magi Assasination boss.

That's why I had them on in that video actually

[karmic finch]

Surge staff with venting shriek and warp charges.

3 cool down reduction trinkets, cool down reduction aura.

Basically shouting on cooldown

[lethal lagoon]

Surge right click spam with flaming shriek spam

[untold niche]

auric?
total damage seems way too low for a5histg

[lethal lagoon]

😋

[marble crater]

Soon you won't have to, you can have all the multiple personalities in one psyker

[karmic finch]

Don't think so in this one

[lethal lagoon]

Can you change sex?

[karmic finch]

Was playing with some friends who are less confident so don't think this was on auric board

[mighty olive]

Hank said you should be able to change everything

[karmic finch]

I have run auric and AM with this before though

[lethal lagoon]

This is an auric t5

[lethal lagoon]

I mean I mostly leveled alts while playing with friends, but this makes me but also

[karmic finch]

That's the one

[marble crater]

Looks like it

[lethal lagoon]

At least I'll still have my multiple melk rolls for psyker

[marble crater]

I love the addition, I wanted to try new personalities without losing my gear

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah it's honestly a change that should been done a long time ago

I'm glading they are adding QOL stuff

They could argue you can't change for roleplaying/story reasons but the game literally doesn't have either

So it should have been the default

[marble crater]

Even then, make it an option and the people who care can just not use it

[lethal lagoon]

TBF, blessings are shared across characters

So you don't "lose" your gear per say

Curios are really the only problem

But I guess that doesn't really matter anymore, my multi-psykers are a relic of the past

[marble crater]

I lose my rolled gear, I don't want to spend millions of dockets and thousands of plasteel for a new voice

[mighty olive]

I'm farming and stocking up xD

[lethal lagoon]

lvl 1-30 is usually enough for 1 BiS weapon

If you ahve the blessing unlocked alreayd

I dunno, my RNG has always been

Or maybe my standards are just low

[marble crater]

I definitely have discarded some decent weapons because they weren't as high as I wanted them to be

[upper sun]

for some reason i get better rng on chars i dont play

[mighty olive]

so if there's ogrynomics, is there also psychonomics?

[untold niche]

i usually get a try to get a new weapon during heresy because the bp changes are very very noticeabe

and then fail

[upper sun]

i got brumomen and skull crusher on the only shield i rolled for ogryn

[mighty olive]

or would is be psychanomics, not sure of spelling O_o

[untold niche]

imagine caxe need to be buffed to get 1 hit on shooters
and even with buff can't 1 hit bruisers

[marble crater]

There is, it's pinned

[upper sun]

needs to be updated tho

pygex needs to enlist some help fr

[untold niche]

athenemumowfinum not updated?

[lethal lagoon]

It's honestly a crime agaisnt emperormanity that this isn't in the psyker guide.

People need to know the truth about shout

[untold niche]

^

[lethal lagoon]

[karmic finch]

I think so many people think it's like a 10m range lol

When in reality it deletes rooms

It hits through walls too so save your buddies from dogs

[upper sun]

"updated 1 Mar @ 3:31pm" huh

[lethal lagoon]

Playing with multiple psykers who understand how Flaming shriek works actually feels pretty bad cause everything is just deleted and you are fighting for scraps

[untold niche]

save buddie from dogs
get my DD refreshed ✅

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker guide is like 99.57% accurate.

Doesn't really need to be updated(except to include that anyomous beautiful drawing).

[upper sun]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2291831214684187275/945D1C5725B36E8BCA5CDB07FEC5BC949BDC5337/

this is for surge

[karmic finch]

Take off the 2 burn nodes, they suck

[upper sun]

thats not mine its from the guide

[wind spruce]

Pretty sure it can

[karmic finch]

Get some more nodes for toughness Regen at the top of the tree and the warp damage on crit

[lethal lagoon]

Need to put "Orthodox Surge" in the guide

[untold niche]

im saying while leveling...

not a "normal" caxe

[vestal fulcrum]

It doesn’t really get more complicated than this

[wind spruce]

Ahh

[karmic finch]

Better but swap burn on elite with the peril vent on kill

[upper sun]

usable for everything

[karmic finch]

Imo

[lethal lagoon]

PC is OP as fuck lmao.

Chain reactions will never get old.

[wind spruce]

What no

[lethal lagoon]

Bm is the most mid psyker trait

[wind spruce]

Pc is op

Battle med is seriously fucking shit

[lethal lagoon]

You have to kill 100 things to get 1 psyker peril bar.

[wind spruce]

"Oooh I killed 100 enemies and got back a full peril bar"

[lethal lagoon]

Too slow bud

[wind spruce]

Stop stealing my lines you bitch

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

aktually its very good because soulblaze kills can save you from exploding with it

[wind spruce]

How bout just not being bad

[upper sun]

no

[wind spruce]

Fair

[karmic finch]

Less the explode save, more that when you shout a room you can use surge indefinitely till they finish burning to death as you keep getting the 10 peril back for another right click

[wind spruce]

Except not really

[karmic finch]

Obviously watch your peril still as you have no shout to fall back on

[lethal lagoon]

I think you are overestimating the amount of targets in a room

[wind spruce]

As we said, 100 enemies, on average, gets you ONE peril bar

[upper sun]

really tho its kind of a wasted node

[karmic finch]

You don't need 1 peril bar

[upper sun]

if anything its never gonna be useful just mess up your edging sesh

[wind spruce]

You're right you need a couple hundred per game

If not way more

[untold niche]

sounds perfect for the psyker martyr build

[karmic finch]

You can do surge just fine at 99%

[wind spruce]

You're missing the point

[karmic finch]

Dropping from 100% to 0 isn't the goal

[upper sun]

4th aura+keystone pls

[lethal lagoon]

The point is on the end of my staff

[karmic finch]

You're moving the goalposts

[wind spruce]

That's not the point...

[untold niche]

u guys talking about the random quell on kill?

[upper sun]

even dropping from 80 to 70 isnt good either

[karmic finch]

The venting lets you loose another right click without needing to vent

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think it has that affect in an actual game anywhere near consistently enough to beat out PC

[upper sun]

the only place where bm can bs used is purge and even then its wasted because it has low peril gen

[lethal lagoon]

Most of the time BM triggers is when you don't need it.

[upper sun]

psyker node be like +2% chance to do 1% extra damage

vet nodes +25 MORE DAMAGE

+15% MORE DAMAGE

[untold niche]

imagine new class, pure support class
slash enemy to get buffs, dodge to spread buffs to team :OOO

[wind spruce]

venting shouldnt be an issue: a case in point
https://outplayed.tv/media/OvyDRj

[lethal lagoon]

That could easily mess up a rotation for maintaining 4 stacks of warp nexus

BM actually fucks me on Blaze Trauma for that reason

[rigid sky]

Battle meditation is basically just for gun psyker

[karmic finch]

I shout on cooldown pretty much

My warp nexus charges are just for toughness Regen and more cooldown reduction

[rigid sky]

SG is a hell of a drug

[lethal lagoon]

Same, but that's just another argument for no BM

[rigid sky]

Warp nexus is the staff blessing that gives you bonus crit for having high peril

are you thinking about warp siphon/warp charges?

[karmic finch]

Oh, wrong one

[lethal lagoon]

Imagine BM procing right before a flaming shriek shout at 85% KEKW

[karmic finch]

Warp charges lol

[lethal lagoon]

yeah, I was a bit confused

[karmic finch]

My bad

[lethal lagoon]

My point still works though I guess

[karmic finch]

But ya, crits on surge aren't reliable anyway, the peril gen and venting speed makes my peril yoyo a tonne

Even at best you hit like 60% iirc?

[wind spruce]

@karmic finch look at that video. I vent about 5 times from seconds 11 to 18

[karmic finch]

I don't run the aura

[lethal lagoon]

[wind spruce]

Y'all don't need battle med

[lethal lagoon]

I think we've lost the rub here.

[upper sun]

psy aura with assail would be so broken

[wind spruce]

Literally. Any build without SG running it is strictly incorrect.

[rich spindle]

Sometimes i take it as a path node over pc

[rigid sky]

Does nothing > free damage?

[rich spindle]

Does nothing = no damage

[wind spruce]

The ultimate headache
https://outplayed.tv/media/5KbJN4

[upper sun]

zero cooldown game mode when?

[mighty olive]

anyone tell me what blessings ya use on your force swords?

[upper sun]

which sword deimos or illisi?

[mighty olive]

both XD i havee one of each

[upper sun]

for deimos uncanny is important for illisi slaughter is important

second blessing can be unstable/executor/deflector

[mighty olive]

graci, i appreciate it ❤️

[upper sun]

deimos has a nice interaction with uncanny and executor you get 4 stacks for a special

and you get one stack on either sword with a force push attack

[vestal fulcrum]

Uncanny Strike, Slaughterer and Executor

[mighty olive]

got it, ty so much<3

[upper sun]

hadron keeps giving me slaughter on deimos and executor on illisi 😭 id have god rolls if it was the other way around

[mighty olive]

damn >_<

[supple sedge]

There a way psyker can become beserk like ogryn and shouty?

[mighty olive]

hmm maybe the scriors gaze melee/gun build, usually goes RAWWWWWWRRRR SWISHSWISHSWISH STABSTAB PEWPEWPEWPEW

or something

xD

[supple sedge]

[mighty olive]

the more ya kill the longer your gaze lasts, and more stacks you gain, is fun

[supple sedge]

[manic halo]

what have you done to this poor games HUD

your a MONSTER

[wind spruce]

I create beauty from the darkness

[quartz barn]

Child of darkness moment

Embrace

[marble crater]

Grim darkness?

[quartz barn]

Nah personality wise

You either feel comfortable in the dark or it frightens you

[upper sun]

siblings....

[marble crater]

Good luck with that slaughterer

[upper sun]

BIG MONEY BIG MONEY LETS GO

[potent echo]

Smallest money

[upper sun]

cant believe i started the game for this

[marble crater]

That's messed up

[patent steeple]

btw Siblings, what is the standard Surge Voidstrike build? (the only things I need to know are the ult and Keystone selections, the rest I can figure out on my own)

[potent echo]

Deflector meme stick possible

[upper sun]

I will never match this roll

its someone else's btw

[upper sun]

surge/nexus and +5 crit with anything else as the second perk

[patent steeple]

I meant talents

[upper sun]

ah

[wind spruce]

I have a better rolled deimos than this

[marble crater]

Not even a 550 roll

[upper sun]

you can use this on pretty surge/void and you have two free points here

[wind spruce]

You also want to dump warp res not mobility

[upper sun]

i stopped rolling for stuff tbh i just buy whatever usable thing i find at brunts

[dim parrot]

whats your marty build with mk 15 like?

[upper sun]

bad

[dim parrot]

show it anyway pls

[upper sun]

okie

but if you want something good use this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a7b2080-d916-450b-a9ba-720fdb915af1/vin-marty

[wind spruce]

This is the superior voidstrike build

[upper sun]

DD bad 😭

[wind spruce]

People who think DD bad bad 😭

[marble crater]

DD bad, Trauma bad, Psykers can't have shit

[quartz barn]

Tbf literally no one trusts us

[dim parrot]

u definitely want +3 wound curios?

[upper sun]

this is what i use

[wind spruce]

I hate having my headshots and crits do like double the damage

So bad

[upper sun]

idk some people do 2 wound 1 toughness i do 2 wound 1 stamina

[wind spruce]

Clad

[quartz barn]

Overkill = wasted dmg, so bad

[upper sun]

i never said it wasnt

[wind spruce]

Bro

You don't even have duellist

[upper sun]

yes

[wind spruce]

I wasn't referring to ur build when I said so bad

But it is

[upper sun]

i have no intention of doing damage

i simply collect plasteel

[dim parrot]

and u also cant mix marty with swift certainty?

[upper sun]

oh its good

[patent steeple]

this is my current Voidstrike build btw. I have another variation which I will post in a sec.

[upper sun]

like i said the build i linked before is better

[marble crater]

If you don't dodge duellist is a wasted talent

[dim parrot]

hm

[upper sun]

ye exactly

using martys purpose is better if you dont plan on surviving

[wind spruce]

Give up the 9 points in the warp charges leg and you can do so much more

[upper sun]

this is the goal of my build

[dim parrot]

cause I wanted to build it like this

[patent steeple]

ok, so this is that other variant of my build that I mentioned before.

[upper sun]

thats good though i shall not fall is pretty good

[dim parrot]

but the thing is

[upper sun]

and blood redemption is not all that good if you use momentum on a weapon you wont have toughness problems

[dim parrot]

I currently have only 1 wound curio on my zealot

[upper sun]

they're pretty common

[dim parrot]

ye I know

[upper sun]

now camp the store for 48 hours straight

[dim parrot]

just dont have any yet cause I never bothered looking for one

[wind spruce]

That's good, but I'd suggest taking the two points away from getting to malefic momentum to get soul stealer and perilous combustion

[dim parrot]

fuck no

psyker had the chance to camp

with zealot I just vibe

[wind spruce]

Actually scratch that take off purloin providence and battle med for them

You don't need peril reducing talents

Natural quell is already ridiculously strong

[patent steeple]

but then I end up exploding too often (I keep spamming Void too much in hopes of getting to kill the DD target before my team does)...

[upper sun]

ye auto quell can mess up your edging

[dim parrot]

but would u say I survive with mk 15, graia, ×2 toughness ×1 wound curio?

[upper sun]

you have until death you can surive pretty well

[dim parrot]

bet

[upper sun]

it might feel weird but 3 wounds is fine

[wind spruce]

Ok couple of things

1. Practising without it is how you're gonna stop doing that.
2. You don't need to kill the DD target! You only need to damage it to refresh your stacks. This should be really easy between the penetration void has and using Shriek

[dim parrot]

maybe I'll catch some wound curios at some point

[wind spruce]

Void with Shriek is the easiest loadout to maintain DD

[upper sun]

this is what i use

[dim parrot]

will be interesting to see if mk15 performs better with crit or marty build

[plucky flax]

If you play martyrdom go all wounds and get to at least 5 stacks.

If you're not on low hp just play momentum.

[patent steeple]

ok, I get the first point.

However, I often tunnelvision on getting MORE DD stacks, thus I need to kill the DD target each and every time (according to my brain)...

[upper sun]

we've been over this agent my only goal is to get plasteel

[dim parrot]

dont have enough wound curios yet

YET

[wind spruce]

I get that, just gotta get used to damaging a blue man where you can. The issues caused by focusing them down goes well beyond just headpopping, gotta overcome the habit

Especially once you hit max stacks, just fire a charged shot at a blue man every 20s or so, and then ignore them

[upper sun]

this is a slightly more serious build

i would add a revolver there IF i had one

[dim parrot]

,,What you doing out here mate?"

,,I saw a blue man and I'm chasin' him"

,,Hehe- aren't we all chasing the blue man. Looking everywhere to find him. Everywhere but within"

[wind spruce]

Bleed for the emperor is garbage

[upper sun]

its nice when i fuck up a crusher overhead and get chucked to 10% in one hit

but yeah second wind or vicious offering might be better

[wind spruce]

Except its three points to get there

Not one

[upper sun]

i still recommend the builds pinned in zealot more

[wind spruce]

You could get invo of death

[upper sun]

i'm just stacking toughness

[upper sun]

thats not all that good without a crit build isnt it tho?

[wind spruce]

Or duellist plus sustained assault

For 25% extra damage, no questions asked, plus duellist

[upper sun]

yeah sustained would be better

[mighty olive]

my games lately, it's painful, need older players to come back xD

[plucky flax]

Always get sustained assault.

Free damage.

[upper sun]

@dim parrot ok yeah im taking off the toughness node idk why i put one there anyways and bleed for sustained assault

[dim parrot]

huh what did I miss?

yeaah imma just go back to crit mk15 build while waiting for my third wound curio I guess

[wind spruce]

Raw damage

[upper sun]

cirt is still better imo

[dim parrot]

stop seeing this ad

[upper sun]

i cant aim knives bad

[dim parrot]

had to lose on swift speedy mode node to get fire nade cause knifes are not reliable

[upper sun]

no no no knives are great we just cant aim

[dim parrot]

true

cant lie

sometimes there are moments where knifes come in clutch, I just rather cover the ground with fire to burn my enemies while I split them apart

[upper sun]

OH FUCK I LEFT AN ENERY DRINK IN THE FREEZER

[mighty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-yikes-this-is-the-worst-cringe-gif-21219465

[dim parrot]

OH NO THE ENERY DRINK

[upper sun]

God bless monsters that shit is anti freeze

[dim parrot]

ice cold drinks are the best drinks

[plucky flax]

Ice cold cocacola.

[upper sun]

peach monsters 😋

[dim parrot]

ice cold fairy drink capri sun

og that shit is fire

[dusk void]

3 psyker team is tough, ngl

[mighty olive]

one was gunker, they just didn't do much

[dusk void]

Damn, that’s sad. Should’ve dealt more damage

[zinc phoenix]

Four psyker team ggez clear tho

[mighty olive]

yeah they were running smite and using smite most of the time, they wanted to help the team, i explained it helps when ya kill stuff not just hold with smitee XD

[zinc phoenix]

Weird how it works but I’ve never won with 3 psyker and never lost with 4 psyker

[mighty olive]

yuh i've been in all pysker games, they're usually good

i think they're just kinda newish players

[dusk void]

I stopped using smite because of that reason. Now I’m more offensive with trauma/assial/chainsword.

[dusk void]

I’m the opposite 😂. A 4 psyker mission is too much for me

[karmic finch]

Love 4 psyker missions

Think the last time I was in one it was all the staves too

[karmic finch]

Smite players hurt lol

[supple dock]

but but but i can give a 10% damage buff

[karmic finch]

Had one in auric quick play the other day that I swear was using realasianrobot's build for smite+surge, then use smite half the time (the guide says to do this...)

[supple dock]

[supple dock]

bruh wtf

im looking this up now

[karmic finch]

https://youtu.be/lI87i9iSZrs?si=W1NRoZdXEyUyu8Q6

Kek

Look at like 14 mins, just camping smite in low pressure situations

[radiant frigate]

siblings i think i may have contracted brainrot from playing martyr zealot

[supple dock]

BM detected, opinion disregarded

[radiant frigate]

battle meditation???

[karmic finch]

That's so he can keep smiting longer, you know, from all the kills it gets

[supple dock]

"will help you quell in battle"

How about just killing the threat before needing to quell, or, idk, disengage?

OR PULLING OUT A FUCKIN SWORD

W I L D F I R E

[radiant frigate]

no don't tell me he's going into kinetic presence

noooooo

true agony

[karmic finch]

That's the top of his tree, he goes empowered psionics

[marble crater]

Psyker chat has a collective meltdown, love to see it, until we violently explode

[supple dock]

K I N E T I C D E F L E C T I O N

is not there

I'm mad

[karmic finch]

5 deaths by the way

Calls the build effective

No scoreboard mod

[supple dock]

also, ALSO

[karmic finch]

He was one of the deaths

[supple dock]

He has the 6 stacks for warp charges

how is he getting stacks

he isn't killing fucking anything

[karmic finch]

That vid he goes empowered psionics, to make smite 125% more damaging

Unfortunately 125% more than bugger all is bugger all

[supple dock]

lmaoo

He's talking about how you NEED creeping flames nowadays

Bruh I use unaugmented venting shreik

auric maelstrom to boot

[karmic finch]

I swear the guy I played with used this build because he was smite + surge, and had most of his damage on lesser enemies

Surge staff should get you much more onto elites etc

[supple dock]

yeee

But why surge smite. They don't compliment each other at ALL

It's a redundant slot :/

[upper sun]

THIS MAN right here

hes the reason everyone hates smite psykers

[supple dock]

"It will give you enough time to kill the trash with smite"

[upper sun]

smite surge is fine if you dont use smite

[supple dock]

While he kills the same amount of trash I kill with a single illisi charge

[upper sun]

its a good path to psy aura and its better than BB with surge

but BUT

EP SMITE

[supple dock]

I will FIGHT you on this

I am a bb stan

[upper sun]

i use it with purge

[upper galleon]

What, one is single target dps and one is aoe control

[upper sun]

but not really with other staves

[upper galleon]

They literally do compliment each other and that is partially why surge staff was reworked the same time smite released

[fresh reef]

Is mk2 DS worth investing into? It's the only one of the dueling swords I haven't given an honest try yet

[karmic finch]

Shout does the job but better

[upper sun]

mk4 is a lot more damage and better heavy animations

[upper galleon]

I think void is a better match and trauma is just strong but surge smite is just as good

[upper galleon]

(Shout) clarify

[karmic finch]

I won't lie I path through smite and I use it now and again in a real pinch

[supple dock]

i use venting shriek for those scenarios

[karmic finch]

But like an "oops I got stuck on terrain vs 8 ragers" pinch

[karmic finch]

Ya, that works out most times

[upper galleon]

Also smite is best with soulblaze build and not going venting soulblaze is borderline troll unless you are skipping every other soulblaze talent as well

[upper sun]

the other one has higher finesse and still less weakspot damage

[plucky flax]

Why I play surge and smite.

[upper galleon]

Which in that case why?, soulblaze build is the only way to make smite an actual dps option to clear hordes

[karmic finch]

I probably fall back to smite as a panic button every 5 or so games at auric damnation level

I hate brain burst

Not tried patching through assail

[supple dock]

yeah a lot of people find it clunky af

[karmic finch]

Also surge has such a strong left click even vs far targets it's fine

[supple dock]

I use it for really specific circumstances that my normal arsenal doesn't cover

mainly snipers and big boss damage with kinetic resonance

[karmic finch]

Just annoying when you snipe a sniper and the projectile speed lets them run away

[fresh reef]

Recently been using EP BB with a graia autogun

Shockingly effective

[supple dock]

that actually sounds pretty fun

[plucky flax]

Ep assail spam ez
#psyker-class message

[upper galleon]

Assail is still good

[supple dock]

i'm of the opinion that assail is the strongest for general use

[karmic finch]

Smite is a perfect panic button and should only ever be used as such.

I think it's in a fine spot I just think people use it bad

[fresh reef]

EP Assail with the increased chance on kill node is genuinely as good as purgatus as clearing hordes effortlessly

[fresh reef]

That and the people who use it are bad, usually

If anyone lurking here uses bubble smite and you call yourself a "support psyker" please, please stop doing that

[plucky flax]

Should always take assail with charge on elite.

So you can kill 20 elites for free.

[zinc phoenix]

Smite surge is stupid good in auric damn if you know what you’re doing with it. Even good teams it’s just so nice

[fresh reef]

It depends on if you're using it specifically to kill elites or just using it for mindless horde clear like I usually do

[golden kite]

Is Gaze good with assail?

[karmic finch]

The only decent support build in darktide is shouty taggy vet. and that's because the buffs are gigantic and over toughness is busted, and you don't sacrifice your own DPS to use them

[zinc phoenix]

I play shout vet as a melee monster personally

Your solo sustain is comical

[fresh reef]

Not particularly. If you're running gun psyker it can help you save on ammo though

[zinc phoenix]

Completely disregard all keystones on vet in favor of stacking more melee perks imo

[karmic finch]

There's a couple of other uses like tagging bulwarks before swapping off the moment they stagger.

And the dog pack modifiers.

[upper sun]

why can vet shout stagger bosses but shreik cant?

[fresh reef]

Real talk, because it'd be overpowered

[zinc phoenix]

Papa palps massacring the dog packs is always funny 😂

[golden kite]

Thanks I mostly use it for CC and my CIAG for Single or big enemy patrols

[zinc phoenix]

So no different then 😂

[mental rock]

And vet shout isn't?

[fresh reef]

Psyker already has the ability to trivialize everything short of bosses by just spamming trauma staff at anything

[zinc phoenix]

Vet shout stagger range isn’t nearly as good as shriek

[supple dock]

can psyker even stagger bosses?

[fresh reef]

Being able to oneshot a chaos spawn on top of that would just be ew

[mighty olive]

yes, with void staff

[supple dock]

OH right

Forgot about that little note

[fresh reef]

*and only with surge blessing

[supple dock]

yeah! i remember now

[upper galleon]

no, you burn up too much peril

[marble crater]

What if I never use bubble and call myself a support psyker because I use a trauma staff?

[upper sun]

taunt support ogryn, tank chorus vet, squad leader vet, and support psyker the ideal team comp

[fresh reef]

I still think mildly less of you because of how braindead trauma staff is but at least you're actually contributing by killing things

Unlike the guy who just smites hordes who thinks he's doing something

[marble crater]

And what if it's blaze trauma? Better or worse?

[fresh reef]

Blaze and Rending are equal, really

Either way you're deleting everything short of bosses with minimal effort

[marble crater]

No way, one of them really needs a buff

[karmic finch]

Which one?

I wish brittle wasn't half the listed value

[upper sun]

blaze very weak

[fresh reef]

Blaze trauma is severely underpowered, pls buff fat shart

[upper sun]

pls buff

[marble crater]

Blaze of course, very bad

Seriously though, I tried void and since I can't aim it well enough to make it great I am sticking to the other staves, I blame being on Xbox instead of my personal skill

[upper sun]

so tru so tru

i blame it on geforce now input lag

[karmic finch]

Void with venting headshots and the faster charging

Feels so good to just spray the right clicks at hordes forever

For me it's surge > trauma > void >>> purgatus

I even have a god roll purgatus

379 with low peril resistance as the bad stat

When it's buffed I'll be set

[marble crater]

Purgatus taught me peril managment, it will always have a special place in my heart

[fresh reef]

Purgatus is good as is, it's just less easy to use

[karmic finch]

I feel everything it does is done better by trauma, with the only exceptions being killing bursters safely and boss damage

[fresh reef]

That's because trauma is the most overpowered staff in psyker's arsenal

[karmic finch]

They just gotta give it a normal light attack (or make it interesting like low damage but inflicts soulblaze) so that you don't feel forced into BB to take out anything above 9 feet

And then buff secondary a bit to compensate

[fading galleon]

Thanks for all of the advice I got in here the other day btw siblings. You're good people

Sweet brutes 🤝 spark'eads

[marble crater]

Make sure you tell the Witch Hunters

[upper sun]

so tru so tru everyone else on the ship hates abhumans

[karmic finch]

Omg so I checked the video again because it felt like he was quelling real slowly.

And he has 60% quell speed...

It's the lowest stat on his staff...

[mental rock]

Yeah many consider quell speed to be the dump stat for staves

[karmic finch]

Favouring warp resistance over quell speed just means less toughness generation from the nodes near the top of the tree

And quell speed scaling is really high

[upper sun]

lemme quell real quick for 2 hours to kill a few walkers instead of using melee

[karmic finch]

He was at least using his staff to quell smite, so that's, something I guess

[mental rock]

I'm aware of how quell speed scales. Generally it's better to be able to get one more charge attack off than quell slightly faster though

[karmic finch]

If you're trying to keep high peril for the crit chance the difference in peril lost per tick of quell more than makes up for the peril cost scaling

Force swords have a pretty savage range, so peril resist on them is actually important

But if your 60 has to be somewhere, I'd rather it be there

[mental rock]

Well that's like, your opinion man

[karmic finch]

Also charge speed effects peril generation too, so having that high also reduces peril per secondary

You rarely go from 0 to 100 though.

More realistic gameplay is 2 ticks of quelling to 100

[hollow current]

Using both at the same time? Generally not the move. Tho if you’re at 0 peril, max shards and run into a soft patrol. Basically anything but carapace or bulwarks, it can be fun to pop SG and start yeeting high crit chance assail.

If you have a red stim, this is much safer to do as iirc it reduces peril gen (while increasing damage) by a significant amount. Like 34% ?

[whole merlin]

the damage stim?

[hollow current]

ye. Damage stim. It makes my 10% peril assail turn to 6.6 or something.

[whole merlin]

28-43 for brain burst

about a third off

[hollow current]

Some maps I’ll save it for an end event and do what I just described to wipe out loads of flak/mania losers.

Carapace gets the dueling sword pokes.

[whole merlin]

I boss dps with it and brain burst/kinetic resonance. It's not crazy but it does the job

Takes out ~60% before max peril on dif 4

[upper sun]

flak maniac goes in all perks smooth brain goes brrrr

i will not stop going flak maniac even if they release an all carap zero maniac game condition

[hollow current]

Does flak go on your DS too?

Most call me crazy over doing that.

[upper sun]

i wouldnt know i dont have a good ds

[marble crater]

DS next project after illisi?

[upper sun]

nah

im done rolling for shit until they release the crafting update

[marble crater]

We will see about that

[upper sun]

the only things i own that arent flak maniac are ogryn shield and staves

[karmic finch]

alright, so tested my surge staff, which has 70% peril resist, 76% charge rate, 80% quell, vs another I had lying about with 80% peril resist, 75% charge rate, 61% quell.

difference in quell is 8 ticks vs 10 for a full peril bar, or about 12.5 per tick vs about 10 per tick.

difference in peril per fully charged secondary is 19.5 vs 20.5

now that does mean that if you perfectly execute every secondary and never hold full charge you can get 5 vs 4, but if you release a tad before full just once it's 5 vs 5. pretty similar there for the 0-100% peril scenario, but admittedly if you don't vent at all a build with higher venting is worse...

[marble crater]

shield is flak/unarmorned?

[hollow current]

[upper sun]

yeah thats whats in the ogryn guide and it feels very good on it

[marble crater]

One shot all the bruisers

[hollow current]

I still have that one godlike DS that I haven’t rolled. Hadron bricked the other 10 and I said naw lol.

[upper sun]

dont do it

[karmic finch]

but as soon as you start venting the time saved is significant, the extra peril quelled means more toughness, and the "ticks of quelling per secondary" is 1.64 rather than 1.99

[upper sun]

i have a lot of good ones and im not gonna waste plasteel on them

currently i have 2-5 good bases of each weapon

[hollow current]

I’m not. I can’t, even! Im still away from home and like to check in and live vicariously through my siblings. Tho I think I can figure something out to take a look at the update when it comes….

[upper sun]

the game actually doesnt want to be played https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930903476756684816/1227398026318975056/cd6.jpg

huh i have a good kickback maybe i should try ogryn now

NOPE

this was profane it didnt even have a bullshit stat from brunt

[hollow current]

That was my ogryn kickback experience too.

“Oh look my 10 weapons got the same 3 bullshit blessings and no good perks”

[upper sun]

i will never stop wishing evil upon whoever made terrifying barrage

[hollow current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1212926509707165728/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.02.29_-_17.55.20.140.DVR.mp4?ex=6621c156&is=660f4c56&hm=54e4a98a86a47bb64a6c2f78de5703bbef2c13f851199d92331c02b89c681627&

Hadron bricked all of those swords but the last, which I kept from her.

[karmic finch]

it's funny how some weapons have like 4 blessings and that makes them super easy to craft, and others have like 11 and all but 3 are garbage

like more options is a significant disadvantage

[marble crater]

Hopefully a problem of the past with the crafting update

[near wyvern]

Yes

[upper sun]

doesnt explain why i keep getting TB on surge 😭

[karmic finch]

I got surge on trauma

XD

[limpid lodge]

i often wonder if fatshark tracks what buffs people arent using so they can adjust them to make them more wanted or used

[upper sun]

the conspiracy theorist in me says yes and they give you lower odds on good ones

[limpid lodge]

thats true i have seen that for sure

[untold niche]

chorus vet?

[upper sun]

yeah

[untold niche]

wait wat

[marble crater]

[pine carbon]

I'd love to say yes but I've seen a lot of horrifying loadouts in quick play more often than I see serviceable ones

[upper sun]

it would explain why i got skullcrusher and bromomentum on my first shield

and pinpoint target+blaze away on my first gaunlet then had 4 kickbacks brick in a row

[pine carbon]

Lots of run n gun, devastating strike and those weird impact blessings running around

[upper sun]

first weapons you roll on a new char should be good

SO to test that theory im gonna level my second zealot and try to roll something unrollable

[marble crater]

Perfect thammer?

[upper sun]

eh i already have a good one on my main

[pine carbon]

I would delete all of my operatives if my new psyker could have a perfect Voidstrike

[limpid lodge]

just gotta first get a 370 grey

[upper sun]

ive been buying all 370+ greys i see on 4 chars

hoping the crafting system unbricks them

[limpid lodge]

ya

imagine if they give us stats on the rest of our gear with that crafting system

so they are no longer just skins

[upper sun]

eh idk that might be too gamey

id hate to brick cosmetics too

[limpid lodge]

true

[radiant frigate]

i think thammer kind of sucks

it overkills its niche and is meh at the rest

[karmic finch]

Monstrous specialists is a maybe use case, but I think heavy eviscerator does the job and isn't so dead in the water vs everything else

[radiant frigate]

precisely

evis XV kinda creeping on everything else (except maybe caxe)

but then evis XV has much better boss/armor damage

[upper sun]

it has more reach than chaxe

[grave mango]

anybody got a link to a good gun psyker build?

I had some ideas but wanted some inspiration

[jovial juniper]

XV is also more perk forgiving

[fading galleon]

hey guys. perks for deimos?

[upper sun]

maniac/specials for reliable h2 mutie one shots and unyielding/carap for either boss or crusher damage

[fading galleon]

I'll do the former then, gonna pair it with trauma

still didnt roll slaughterer on fswords but I'm not complaining about this roll lol. 2nd deimos I bought from brunt and 1st roll.

[upper sun]

i think if you slaughter imo isnt all that great on deimos since its a single target weapon mostly

you really need uncanny with it

[fading galleon]

only if you're stabbing elites in the face with it

but that's what this puppy is for

[upper sun]

even without it l1h2 does crazy damage

sadly i dont have the best deimos luck

took me about 2-3 weeks of grinding for one good one

[marble crater]

You keep count of your bricks?

[upper sun]

started half way around my playtime yeah

[marble crater]

And is it helpful?

[upper sun]

no