Probably the best
#psyker-class
rigid sky
near wyvern
you are welcome 😉
upper sun
you are welcome 😉
yeah im sure thats what he would say whoever he may be
radiant frigate
crazy that someone would put in all this effort
untold niche
censored name because he became somewhat of a regular i think.
(its not just this but i don't really want to make a big deal)
idk internally i got irritated when he asked pygex if it was really bugged.
But upon reading again, it seems more like it was disbelief rather than not trusting pygex
idk this made me only post the general build guide from now on.
Pygex is very patient man
upper sun
you know we can searh stuff
untold niche
i trust that you don't :v
untold niche
but basically i replied again answering the original convo starter qn, saying that KD is good because it helps with revives as well
and no reply
very sad.
upper sun
its ok im sure others are also playing while posting and also watching something on a second monitor
severe nimbus
new weapon guys check it 🤑 
patent steeple
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ba896af-53cd-44f2-b465-b79015d112ec/my-surge-staff-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button ok, so do you guys have any advice on this build of mine (other than "just don't use that staff")?
upper sun
flak and elite/maniac/crit chance for surge i would drop the brain burst upgrades
also 10cdr is kinda better than 5% damage
warp can give 24% damage if you fill it out
frail harness
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ba896af-53cd-44f2-b465-b79015d112ec/my...
This is the standard surge staff build and it's pretty hard to argue with most of the choices
Also slaughterer is going to benefit the Illisi more than unstable power most of the time
upper sun
yea i was about to say
frail harness
Brain burst is good, Kinetic Flayer is not
frail harness
Battle meditation vs perilous combustion is mostly preference IMO
jovial juniper
you got two free here
one for KD or just trust the deflector
upper sun
ye i have deflector for that one
jovial juniper
Quietude is goated
Specially paired with Illisi, since you can spam special and quell
jovial juniper
It's fine as long as you quell peril
smoky wigeon
Oh...wait it's for quelled peril I didn't read it right
Thought it was just when peril was going down smh
upper sun
Are the toughness Regen talents when losing peril worth getting
quelling is a lot faster than generating peril
its also higher % than the other one
smoky wigeon
Ah okay
upper sun
i would take mettle over warp expenditure
updates are so slow vet mains are playing psyker
oh the humanity things must be really bad
smoky wigeon
Vet is the most boring class imo
I main ogryn but I'm forcing myself to GET GOOD
Ogryn is...easy
severe nimbus
gun psyker really is just the better veteran
smoky wigeon
Well ogryn isn't EASY but
upper sun
ogryn does take some skill too
upper sun
rocks are tough to hit quickly if you're not used to it
smoky wigeon
Psyker I get breathed on I die
upper sun
they devs dont want anyone to know this but the entire psyker class is designed around guns
our stamina is shit so in case we go DD/gaze we dont run across the map in two seconds
rich spindle
Ogryn slow speed is too awkward for me
upper sun
the trick is to turn off your brain and do heavy attacks 24/7
rich spindle
Lol yeah i do the heavy melee build
But the time between charging heavies is awkward
When trying to close the gap with some shooters
jovial juniper
the trick is to turn off your brain and do heavy attacks 24/7
Pick attention seeker and push every now and then
upper sun
the silly shit is that melee from ranged weapons also proc a lot of talents
rich spindle
I play psyker because you can build it to quickly deal with anything at any range
jovial juniper
When trying to close the gap with some shooters
That's when you slap
upper sun
the alt attack with the guantlet is based
FS COOKED
sad we cant have cool alt attacks like that for staves
rich spindle
Ive never used a staff alt once
upper sun
what if
alt attack for surge: build 60% peril and do a low damage quick CC for enemies 2m around the player
alt for for void rapid fire mode but cant charge
idk about the two others
jovial juniper
alt attack for surge: build 60% peril and do a low damage quick CC for enemies 2...
He taps it on the ground
upper sun
ye
jovial juniper
I think Sienna could suspend enemies on the air, trauma alt could be that
upper sun
HEY
DID YOU KNOW THE ARENA IN RELAY STATION CLOSES BEHIND YOU AFTER THE FIRST MEDSTATION
BECAUSE I FUCKING DIDNT
spice veldt
f
upper sun
THERE ARE NO AUDIO CLUES NO (hey :3333 we cant go back :3333)
I Tried to kite a pogryn there and boom wall
fun times
radiant frigate
agony
jovial juniper
DID YOU KNOW THE ARENA IN RELAY STATION CLOSES BEHIND YOU AFTER THE FIRST MEDSTA...
Yeah I noticed
Similar situation but Crushers instead of boss
dusk void
I Tried to kite a pogryn there and boom wall
Try a chaos spawn
rich spindle
alt attack for surge: build 60% peril and do a low damage quick CC for enemies 2...
60% is crazy lol
Insta pop button
near wyvern
you mean insta power up for creeping flames
rich spindle
Im quitting my venting shriek addiction cold turkey
rigid sky
I don't understand why people take inner tranquility tbh
I mean I get it kinda if you don't run Shriek, but if you're not running Shriek then why are you running warp siphon
cedar pendant
Why are the worst players who have ever existed playing auric damn right now?
frail harness
I don't understand why people take inner tranquility tbh
Because with quickswap cancelling my surge staff generates ~70% peril in about 3 seconds even with tranq
upper sun
wait steam is down now too?
frail harness
Probably steam Tuesday
upper sun
ughhhhhh
wind spruce
our stamina is shit so in case we go DD/gaze we dont run across the map in two s...
Just throw on a stam curio?
upper sun
ye i do
vestal fulcrum
It's not 
It's very unlikely that it doesn't work, though, but the effect is very minuscule
wind spruce
It's not <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
I stole from you heh
vestal fulcrum
I stole from Kuli, so all is well in the world
rich spindle
I don't understand why people take inner tranquility tbh
Some guy said its good for spamming illisi special into hordes which i can see
Esp if you have a bad warp resist stat on your sword which a lot of people do
wind spruce
I have bad warp resist on my illisi so I can get high peril for shriek
But, yeah, spamming illisi special and surge staff are the only good uses for inner tranq
People who take it on void 
hollow current
Why are the worst players who have ever existed playing auric damn right now?
Because I’m on vacation and haven’t been able to pub into random maelstroms. 😔
untold niche
I don't understand why people take inner tranquility tbh
Gaze probs
upper sun
Because I’m on vacation and haven’t been able to pub into random maelstroms. 😔
change your name to pug wrangler
lapis violet
@upper sun has darktide been launching really slowly on your GFN lately, too?
it's making me want to play the game less. not queue times, not previous session recap, the bar just gets stuck at like 94% and then refuses to move
lapis violet
a month ago it used to launch just as quickly as any other game
but for all of the previous 2 weeks, the previous issue has been arising
i tried looking it up but nothing ever came up regarding it, and i know how terrible the forums are for GFN
or geforce things in general
upper sun
do you have your server on auto?
lapis violet
don't think so
upper sun
check it see if its the closest nivida server to your location if it is try the second closest
lapis violet
it is. frankfurt is consistently the closest server
might need to try the 2nd one
today was surpirisngly fast but i also haven't played in like 4-5 days because of that issue
upper sun
germany?
upper sun
🤔 wouldnt eu central be better?
lapis violet
it might have been eu central? not sure
i remembered frankfurt due to both valorant and apex
upper sun
i hate to say it but you might wanna try... eu south
upper sun
accept it
lapis violet
no
upper sun
accept it
central europe isnt even a real thing
just a term excommie contries made up to distance themsleves
wind spruce
Gaze probs
You have to be incredibly dumb to take warp charges with gaze
lapis violet
just a term excommie contries made up to distance themsleves
nah but really
stable halo
It's very unlikely that it doesn't work, though, but the effect is very minuscul...
I use it for my melee psyker playstyle pretty extensively
little sapphire
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stable halo
As a Deimos main I believe the mk 4 is better for dps overall
If you're chaining headshots
spice veldt
antax/rashad come to mind
frail harness
DS 4 is also quite mobile, which is important for bosses
radiant frigate
the blunt illisi of being good at everything else
stable halo
Recently I've been trying to horde clear with revolver melee whips to practice movement while playing at lower levels. I feel like that illisi might be slower (hyperbole) (I know damage dump is viable)
rich spindle
kinetic flayer and purg is actually a good combo on mostrous specialists
lyric burrow
Flayer exists simply because spending all your points in psykers tree is actively difficult so you can just afford it anyway
P mid overall tho
It exists
halcyon gust
It's very likely to hit a fodder enemy with the chance of maybe tagging a elite you're dealing with
Though it is funny when Flayer does work with you
upper sun
KF exists as a trap
halcyon gust
I only run it for meme builds 
Perfect for stupid fun as it hits the pox walker that was gonna die anyways
mental rock
it is funny that you can punch someone and their head has a chance to explode from it
rich spindle
what lol
Spamming purg on the boss triggers at least one bb on it
Was doing nice dmg in a run i just did
mental rock
speaking of bosses I just had a very nice monstrous specialist run
a nice 250k boss damage
halcyon gust
That be a juicy amount of boss damage
radiant frigate
how good is purgatoose boss damage exactly
quick python
You will probably do the most damage unless you have a zealot with a crucis
harsh urchin
Wanna post a scoreboard?
I want to see the "nice dmg" that you're doing with a single BB proc
mental rock
I too would like to see how nice that dmg is
harsh urchin
and then everybody in the darktide discord started clapping
his name? albert einstein
rich spindle
exactly
smoky wigeon
is Slaughter 4 worth it on Deimos?
potent echo
It's not my first pick but it's keepable if you want to roll perks
smoky wigeon
What do you usually go for with Deimos?
I just use i tto kill armored with H2 and mutants
potent echo
I do unstable because that's my playstyle
smoky wigeon
But I guess thats what its used for
potent echo
I usually use staff till high peril then swap to melee so I immediately get benefit from the blessing
Also makes it easier to one shot mutants with some peril, although warp rider alone is usually enough
harsh urchin
What do you usually go for with Deimos?
uncanny executor has really good synergy
potent echo
Some people like executor too yea
trim arch
what’re y’all’s builds for aurics
potent echo
I might try one executor deimos
harsh urchin
uncanny is required because it's just overtuned right now
and executor is much better after the last set of bugfixes
potent echo
Uncanny is the best damage boosting blessing it works against everything
Except unarmored and infested but like who needs that
rich spindle
what’re y’all’s builds for aurics
Shriek warp siphon trauma feels like the strongest overall to me
trim arch
Shriek warp siphon trauma feels like the strongest overall to me
could u send a screenshot of the tree
rich spindle
Thats pretty good. Id be satisfied with that
potent echo
Change shred to executor or slaughterer or unstablepower
rich spindle
I mean its gonna be really annoying to roll better than that and its not much of a diff anyway
smoky wigeon
oh okay
potent echo
Flak isnt needed on Deimos, so I would go cara or unyielding
harsh urchin
What would make my sword better?
proper perks/blessings. the stats are pretty good.
smoky wigeon
damn it
rich spindle
Uncanny and shred are good enough
smoky wigeon
ah well, its decent
potent echo
Yea it is
smoky wigeon
Hell, maybe I should just wait for the crafting overhaul lol
harsh urchin
shred is pretty mediocre on deimos
smoky wigeon
I put what blessings / perks I thought it needed lol I shouldve consulted a guide before
butttt w.e
harsh urchin
I put what blessings / perks I thought it needed lol I shouldve consulted a guid...
ye flak/maniac is a safe option
but it's not correct
in this case
potent echo
Usually just go into the psyk and see what things you are a few hp away from killing in 1-2 shots then adjust from there
smoky wigeon
Thats...really smart Guihelbie
lol
YEah I cant figure out wtf the Obscurus is used for
lyric burrow
Its p mid
Its meant to be an in-between but it has no redeeming qualities over the others
And a weird moveset
restive ice
think i edged a little too much
smoky wigeon
I...yeah I mean I can one shot any mutant with Heavy 2 regardless of the perk
I probably shouldnt have taken that perk
Hmmmmm
Oh well
God, I wish I could just STOP playing till updates but the game is so fucking addicting
lyric burrow
Yeah h2 kinda murders everything
Plus blessings
Maniac is nice for ragers but thats kinda it
smoky wigeon
H2 doesnt 1 shot ragers?
lyric burrow
Havent tested in a bit but i dont think base h2 will
Can check
Yeah base h2 wont its close tho, but thats no perks/blessings
Or talents
lyric burrow
That being said it knocks them over and like anything else kills them anyway
wind spruce
kinetic flayer and purg is actually a good combo on mostrous specialists
Kinetic flayer is like 100 dps lmao
wind spruce
Flayer exists simply because spending all your points in psykers tree is activel...
I guarantee you I can find a bunch more important talents for your build than a dreadful talent like flayer
wind spruce
It's not free, you have to use a point
Dude it procs once every 15s at most
It's garbage
Straight dumpster fire
cinder moon
it's not about constantly proccing it, just getting the extra damage because purg is essentially guaranteed to get it due to how it works
frail harness
Kinetic Flayer is up there as one of the worst talents in the game
ornate hamlet
Kinetic flayer is ass
fluid skiff
worse than Perfect Timing? or Malefic Momentum?
wind spruce
it's not about constantly proccing it, just getting the extra damage because pur...
It's like 1500-2k damage once every 15s at most
That is garbage
ornate hamlet
The point is more often than not better spend elsewhere
wind spruce
worse than Perfect Timing? or Malefic Momentum?
Perfect timing is extremely good lmao
cinder moon
The point is more often than not better spend elsewhere
for a purg build it's fine
frail harness
worse than Perfect Timing? or Malefic Momentum?
Both of those perks are good or very good
fluid skiff
I have never noticed a difference in damage for either.
wind spruce
for a purg build it's fine
Purg doesn't make it not trash
ornate hamlet
If the player at least had some control over when kinetic flayer procced, it would be great to do double brain bursts
frail harness
MM obviously needs a specific build
wind spruce
I have never noticed a difference in damage for either.
It gives you 15% extra damage at max stacks, and max stacks are extremely easy to build/maintain with most staff builds
I don't understand how you can't see that's great
cinder moon
it's not free, it requires points
ornate hamlet
A great investment
wind spruce
it's not free, it requires points
At least it provides something substantial
ornate hamlet
It gives you damage for playing the game normally, ergo it doesn't need you to play around it, ergo free damage
cinder moon
It gives you damage for playing the game normally, ergo it doesn't need you to p...
same can be said for kinetic flayer
spice veldt
the uptime argument would be meaningful if it wasn't on a 15 second cooldown
ornate hamlet
Except kinetic flayer is ass?
wind spruce
same can be said for kinetic flayer
Except its much less damage
It's a terrible waste of a point
ornate hamlet
Actually
Even then, opposite sides of the tree already start making it a bit annoying
And it's a random brain burst every 15 seconds vs. 35% damage
I know which side I'm going for
cinder moon
taking all the top nodes is pretty common
but for purg if you're relying on malefic, you're not purging right
wind spruce
but for purg if you're relying on malefic, you're not purging right
Well no shit but none of us are recommending malefic with purg
A +15 toughness node will always be better than kinetic flayer
fluid skiff
what about a 5% Toughness DR node?
cinder moon
Well no shit but none of us are recommending malefic with purg
the context here was purgatus build, so malefic is irrelevant
ornate hamlet
I'm pretty sure that any build someone comes up with that uses kinetic flayer, someone else can find a better use for the single point spent on it
cinder moon
not malefic lmao
frail harness
If KF had a 3 second cooldown I'd still be iffy about it
The randomness kills it honestly
ornate hamlet
Even taking malefic momentum out and leaving only perfect timing, the latter is still a much better choice over kinetic flayer
cinder moon
perfect timing isn’t mutually exclusive to kf
ornate hamlet
And?
cinder moon
you can have both
ornate hamlet
Or you can have perfect timing and another good talent
It would be an entirely different conversation if kinetic flayer was consistent, but it isn't and the fact it can just randomly be wasted on a poxwalker in front of a bulwark because the stars aligned just makes it bad
I could've been a buff you manually triggered to power your next attack, or maybe be a timed buff to brain burst's RMB, but it's just a random brain burst that sometimes can help and sometimes is visiting Disneyland
And when I'm facing a mixed horde, I don't want my kinetic flayer to explode a random poxburster and go on vacation
cinder moon
kinetic flayer and purg is actually a good combo on mostrous specialists
in the context of the original statement that started all this
ornate hamlet
I mean, it's a bit confusing because monsters are one thing and specialists are another
And for monsters, perfect timing can just make the soublaze deal more damage
And not using kinetic flayer will open a talent point for something better
Kinetic deflection is a great pick because it helps kite them around, a sixth warp charge helps the cooldown of fire shriek and also nets better damage when on full charges, warp rider can increase the damage, empathic evasion will make it easier to not get slapped by random ranged shit when focusing on another enemy, and the list goes on
cinder moon
monstrous specialist is a modifier
ornate hamlet
Is that the maelstrom thing where specialists sometimes come out as monsters?
Just goes back to what I said then
I did forget those were a thing
rich spindle
Kinetic flayer is like 100 dps lmao
fluid skiff
is there a visual effect to Disrupt Destiny? I've only tested it in the meatgrinder.
I'd assume there is
spice veldt
doesn't work if invisibility is on
spice veldt
oh i meant with creature spawner
potent echo
Trial by fire YouTuber it works for me builds are the best
untold niche
For mini monsters can the death on one mini spawn another one? I never had it happen but would be funny
Also gunner resist, affects shooters?
@plucky flax I think man's going to buy dragons dogma 2
stable halo
What do you usually go for with Deimos?
Mine is uncanny and slaughterer. At 5 stacks of each and 15 on disrupt destiny I can 1 tap crushers with heavy 2
ornate hamlet
Gunner resist only affects gunners and reapers
plucky flax
<@150967101836886016> I think man's going to buy dragons dogma 2
Haven't played it.
untold niche
Gunner resist only affects gunners and reapers
thanks
this frame i use
not sure if scrub frame or not
upper sun
its one of the nicer looking ones
upper sun
theyre always hiding the good stuff
cinder moon
stopping the rot you get for just playing the game long enough
i have it as well as headtaker frame, though i forget where headtaker is from
untold niche
stopping the rot you get for just playing the game long enough
kill X zombvies
upper sun
i wanna get the raid missions one or the rescue teammates one
untold niche
achyls so fucking slow might as well be called combat hammer
untold niche
i wanna get the raid missions one or the rescue teammates one
isn't the rescue teammates one three only, at least i ahd one like that
upper sun
this one
cinder moon
i use indefatigable or mancunio campaign
untold niche
mfw when bad ogryns get chunked by melee enemies
also next game was a heresy difficulty with like two level + 1XXs
tired estuary
aatrox axe so fucking slow :v
It feels way better on martyrdom zealot. Still technically worse than rashad but it hits some ez breakpoints and its shortcomings become irrelevant
untold niche
i was talking about achyls
got the wrong name
also agent
why unarmoured not listed as recommended perk on rashad caxe for zealot
plucky flax
Because you don't need.
untold niche
reduce gunner and scab bruiser threshold tho
plucky flax
You can 1 shot scab bruiser with headtaker stacks.
plucky flax
Don't think you can 1 shot even with unarmoured.
plucky flax
You can 1 shot shotgunner though with headtaker and flak.
untold niche
t 2 shot without unarmoured, at least full stack judgement but no headtaker stacks
rich spindle
So bad compared to combat axe (on zealot).
have you tried tac axe mk 2
plucky flax
Yes I tried all tactical axe. Mk4 and 7 are my preferred but they all suck compared to antax/rashad.
This is on zealot.
I don't play axe on psyker I don't see the point.
rich spindle
really? you dont like the all overhead combos on mk2?
plucky flax
really? you dont like the all overhead combos on mk2?
No it's same/worse damage than combat axe light attack and slower.
Combat axe is too slow on psyker.
untold niche
but yeah agent
rich spindle
tac axe is faster than rashad im sure
untold niche
have u tried achyls
plucky flax
It doesn't feel good without attack speed.
plucky flax
You just suck.
I tried achlys heavy 1 repeat meme though it's not good. Xd
Just hurt your fingers.
rich spindle
try the tac axe 2 with a crit build. the faster attack speed procs it a ton, its fun
untold niche
no the light so slow :(
rich spindle
on zealot
untold niche
woudlnt the crit not proc because you one shot everything
rich spindle
🤨
untold niche
you want to use critspam build right
and then relies on hitting already bleeding enemies.
plucky flax
Maybe it's fun but I'm lazy and I prefer to just smash left click and win with combat axe.
100% more effective than tactical axe any build.
untold niche
judgement caxe make me feel like beyblade
plucky flax
I want to play this stellar blade game but it's ps5 exclusive
rich spindle
and then relies on hitting already bleeding enemies.
most non trash doesnt die in a single hit
untold niche
just buy ps5
plucky flax
No I am not console pleb.
untold niche
face the truth you just have no money
upper sun
I want to play this stellar blade game but it's ps5 exclusive <a:nooooo:97110225...
just wait 5 years
plucky flax
Yeah sony realising that pc gamers would buy ps5 exlusive games.
But they do the drip feed.
raw token
is the voidstrike still the best staff? havent played in a few months
upper sun
its the second best
plucky flax
face the truth you just have no money
Tru I'd have to buy a tv + console. 
upper sun
Tru I'd have to buy a tv + console. <a:SadgeCry:927346529725976586>
dont you need a license for that?
raw token
its the second best
so whats better
rich spindle
so whats better
trauma
upper sun
a tv license
plucky flax
Only to watch stuff.
plucky flax
You don't need tv license to just use the tv for games.
rich spindle
its debatable between that and blaze/nexus
untold niche
hmmm, 12 stack ragers back in histg
rigid sky
is the voidstrike still the best staff? havent played in a few months
I wouldn't say any of the staves are really the best tbh
they're all great
plucky flax
Surge is best.
rigid sky
they just do different things
plucky flax
rigid sky
surge is probably the worst by a little bit
untold niche
hmmm, 12 stack ragers back in histg
why like every update they blobl size changes
plucky flax
Bruh
rigid sky
but it's not like it's bad either
raw token
yeah just a few months ago when i was playing the voidstrike was acually the best by far
rigid sky
It did get toned down a bit since patch 13
untold niche
Surge is best.
everything u can do on surge i can do on void but better
rigid sky
but it's still very very good
untold niche
i think trauma can beat surge too
plucky flax
everything u can do on surge i can do on void but better
Play with me and see who does more damage.
untold niche
Play with me and see who does more damage. <a:nooooo:971102259490476083>
no because with 300 ping man cannot aim
plucky flax
I can try play on sea server.
upper sun
now thats not fair since you dont need to aim
plucky flax
Actually I'm visiting vietnam in december. I can try sea darktide on my laptop. 
untold niche
noice
rich spindle
the way trauma lets you knock down everything 360 degrees around you to their feet is what makes it the best imo
untold niche
just let me know if you actually want me to play psyker
im levelling vet rn and playing abit of zealot because caxe
rich spindle
trivializes super dense hordes of crushers and maulers
untold niche
been sum time sincei last played psyker
plucky flax
Sea pubs can't be worse than europe.
untold niche
i think if i play now maybe i would explode once
oh but my boss damage will be trash
upper sun
yeah people in europe most of the time quietly leave if they get pissed
untold niche
i neevr really cared about boss damage
upper sun
see french player base
upper sun
idk i mute russian when i hear russian on vc
plucky flax
is the voidstrike still the best staff? havent played in a few months
Serious though blaze trauma is the best staff by far but it needs a lot of brain capacity and luck to get a good roll.
raw token
what makes it so good
upper sun
massive aoe stagger
upper sun
so will your ears
vestal fulcrum
It trivialises any threat that wants to kill you in melee
upper sun
its very loud
plucky flax
Idk maybe yours won't but I flick when I play it. So it hurts.
upper sun
our psykers endure psychic pain when they use staves why shouldnt we?
also gotta flex my staff
plucky flax
Not bad.
near wyvern
what makes it so good
Being able to CC everything except mutants and monstrosities while dealing out good enough DPS to all targets. Even better of you use creeping flames as you can exponentially increase the damage output while quelling a bit peril allowing you to cast more in a quick succession but honestly the staff works with the shields as well.
raw token
remind me do i put the extensions mods at the bottom of the load order.txt or the top
untold niche
4 times disabled 3 times downed ex dee
still on going
very fun run
i can finally say i don't suck at zealot :v
rigid sky
Trauma with shields is basically tank psyker
And by tank, I mean one of them fuckers with the big cannon
upper sun
hello hello usable alert?
halcyon gust
hello hello usable alert?
It's not usable until it survives Hadron
upper sun
I just tried using illisi and obscur and I just can't
obs isnt good illisi is mainly a clear weapon
but yeah a good deimos can one tap a mutie even without perks
rigid sky
Illisi and Deimos are just very different roles
Although Deimos does have better horde clear than I was giving it credit for (since I usually bring it as backup when my ranged is more horde focused so I hadn't actually tried it much)
Tbh I feel like deimos is better antihorde than obscurus is
Obscurus isn't a middle of the road sword, it's just a strictly worse Deimos
smoky wigeon
H2 is so good
Knocks down every single enemy
Or fucking kills them
@untold niche those numbers are insane dude wut
untold niche
the overall values are high because its a5histg
as in if you are talking about the actual values
rigid sky
Also apparently you had Tzeentch with you
untold niche
ya that guy was pretty good
didnt go down a single time
respekt
meanwhile me
3 times killed 3 times downed xD
he was rnning blaze trauma i think
and very patient
somehow DH got angry at me and i said i didn't proc and he just typed in all cas
caps
NO MATTER
upper sun
were you running blaze or combustion?
untold niche
@plucky flax headtaker let me two hit gunner yes,
But when i run into gunners i don't have headtaker stacks.
Im seriously considering running unarmoured
untold niche
were you running blaze or combustion?
was playing zealot
upper sun
🤔 how the hell did DH get pissy then
plucky flax
<@150967101836886016> headtaker let me two hit gunner yes,
But when i run into g...
Do it if you want I am not your daddy.
untold niche
no idea
i'll wait when its 3am and exhil and lazorr are online :(
Just really curious why no one runs unarmoured
plucky flax
Maniac let you 1 tap flamer.
untold niche
oh?
halcyon gust
A dead flamer is a good flamer
As it is very easy for a flamer to start the Dominos of wipe
untold niche
As it is very easy for a flamer to start the Dominos of wipe
hmmm tbh its quite rare you will need to 1 hit melee a flamer
Cause most of the time you shoot it first to stagger
imagine new ogryn enemy, unyielding.
All it does is the crusher's toughness breaking swipe
upper sun
flamers are not as bad since december
stealth maulers and pox bursters are the bane of my existance as a psyker and ragers are the bane of my existance as a zealot
untold niche
its not the stealth mauler
Its the teammate dodging it through corner then you get hit
also somehow i stagger crusher mid OH more easily than a mauler
halcyon gust
flamers are not as bad since december
They're not as bad, but can be annoying if not dealt with ASAP
upper sun
simply shoot them
halcyon gust
And I know how bad a Flamer is if not dealt with ASAP
Because as a Ogryn player
PEOPLE DON'T SHOOT FLAMERS ASAP
upper sun
ah lmao
untold niche
wait wat difficulty are you on
maybe regional thing but usually on a5histg here people aren't that braindead
halcyon gust
I generally do damnation pubs on US East
untold niche
damnation normal? or auric?
halcyon gust
So player skill level varies from competent to "I'm carrying these idoits"
halcyon gust
damnation normal? or auric?
Normal Damnation
quick python
Normal damnation is filled with reprobates
upper sun
i only do low inten and high inten damnation
halcyon gust
I'll flip between both normal and Auric damnation
upper sun
usually people in low inten damnation are good but hungry for easy plasteel
halcyon gust
But recent Aurics pubs I done.....Some varlets need to spend more time on learning the Melee basics
upper sun
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1221841953768079360/1701738081451142.jpg
where else if not pubs would you get this exprience?
halcyon gust
Hot dropped into this lobby Yesterday to basically clutch it out
untold niche
But recent Aurics pubs I done.....Some varlets need to spend more time on learni...
there is no melee basics in DT
just dodge every second swing and randomly shove
ezpz
halcyon gust
just dodge every second swing and randomly shove
That is the Melee basics...
quick python
Do damage and don't die
untold niche
i thought you would say like react to people hitting you or reacting to the woosh sound
untold niche
That is the Melee basics...
idk i feel you should try auric more
Most normal people are there
quick python
The woosh sound doesn't even play half the time
plucky flax
Me I only play sedition.
untold niche
and even when it does play, you dodging doesn't mean you won't get hit
xD
i tried it in psk
untold niche
The woosh sound doesn't even play half the time
and tbh, if its constant you going to hear alot of woosh when you get surrounded which is not ideal
halcyon gust
and even when it does play, you dodging doesn't mean you won't get hit
Or you have a well placed Pox walker blocking your dodge direction and you just eat a Crusher Pancake special
untold niche
still its good to react to it imo
untold niche
Or you have a well placed Pox walker blocking your dodge direction and you just ...
i suffer from that alot but i feel that one is on you
or on me
untold niche
Me I only play sedition.
Auric sedition ++++
plucky flax
Just simply don't take any damage smh
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1178074718000119828/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2023.png?ex=6611b514&is=65ff4014&hm=7bc3c46e7af28d0beb25c40a306b3c4cbe390913af9a88230fbde34839576066&
plucky flax
Yeah.
halcyon gust
It possible to go damageless if you're on point that day
And your team has working braincells
plucky flax
Me no brains
upper sun
only if it was really g
weary crane
I have given in to the smite
terse granite
(Insert unlimited power meme)
weary crane
Only thing this is weak against the the annoying green ones, but most psyker builds dont handle them welll
rigid sky
Nurgle's Blessing dudes?
rigid sky
Yeah, for the most part you just have to kill them
weary crane
Nurgke trappers are the wirst
Bubble is stupidly strong
But my crit build kinda doesnt need it
I was using purga bubble warp charge
So I basically had a bubble up all the time
Purga is quicker to gain warp charges because of in fire reborn
I had assail in it
I cant remember it exactly
You would think it works well with deflection but deflection is just pointless
Most people use shield
You can only block shots from 1 shooter, normally there is multiple
And you cant do anything while slowly walking towards them
At the expensive of the other blessings its just not worth it
plucky flax
At the expensive of the other blessings its just not worth it
Deflector clutch
https://youtu.be/CYoalxaVzKA
dusk void
I think I suck at this game. In one mission, I encountered an army of metal at me and couldn’t hold my ground with them.
In another mission, I was stuck fighting a chaos spawn and couldn’t seem to clutch it. Maybe because I was tired at that point. But I’m still saying I suck, even though my psyker is level 300 something
upper sun
running away can be a good option esp on maps with tons of routs
dusk void
Tried that. The army of metal got me and the chaos spawn defeated me. Wasn’t my night to be the hero. But died while trying , especially when my whole team needs rescuing
quartz barn
Just remember that holding your ground =/= preventing enemies from passing a certain point
Its all about management while wittling them down
upper sun
happens
they gotta keep that door open after the first event
like bruh where am i supposed to go
quartz barn
Meaning you can just move all over the place while you bait the horde around, slowly clearing them
dusk void
I had very successful clutches, but it was mainly fatigue and couldn’t really focus. I shouldn’t be playing if I’m already tired to begin with. But I did great being the last teammate to die 😆
Maybe I should tone it down and chill on the auric missions and probably play on the normal missions board
quartz barn
Depending on the area you can also just run around a bunch to group everything up
cosmic sigil
Deflector clutch
https://youtu.be/CYoalxaVzKA
infinite dodges clutch
fathom totem
Maybe I should tone it down and chill on the auric missions and probably play on...
There is no chilling in the normal board. You have to deal with incompetence there. 
dusk void
There is no chilling in the normal board. You have to deal with incompetence the...
I still deal with incompetent people on the auric board too
fathom totem
I still deal with incompetent people on the auric board too
Yes, but that the minority.
fathom totem
I swear every weekend I have to res 24/7 on damnation.
dusk void
idk auric is usually a bit better
Unless you’ve encountered crappy zealots that fuck up your whole mission
upper sun
they gotta update bots to do objectives
upper sun
Unless you’ve encountered crappy zealots that fuck up your whole mission
know when to walk away
and know when to run
dusk void
know when to walk away
Stealth zealots. Yup, running away from those fuckers
upper sun
i also dodge if i see any vet without survivalist
like no talents is legit better than no survivalist
dusk void
Although I’ve encountered good zealots and good vets, but doing a mission with all psykers is somewhat overkill. Not great when I’m the only one doing boss damage with my chainsword while the other psykers take care of the enemies surrounding us
jovial juniper
I'd play with those zealots, sure it would be a pain, but I'd learn how to deal with their gimmicks, also walk slowly so they get impatient
rigid sky
A 4 psyker team should have one person on gun really
purgatus can do bosses too but gun is the other best option
dusk void
I roll with trauma but my chainsword does significant (or decent) damage to bosses. Maybe I should try being a gunker 🤔
But a 4 psyker team would be perfect for a no ammo pickup maelstrom
wind spruce
i also dodge if i see any vet without survivalist
Yikes man
upper sun
I had too many games where i had to play full melee because my entire team was on read since vets ran ammo hungry stuff without contributing at all
wind spruce
I find it hard to believe that's more than like 1% of your games
upper sun
i would rather have scavenger than fire team or the other one
spice veldt
just loot
there's at least 810% ammo on maps and there's theoretically 1050% ammo just looking at the lua
upper sun
i can not stress this enough they were using revolvers on trash mobs
spice veldt
and at least two ammo crates
sure
just loot then
mfs bitch about ammo and then don't loot
upper sun
two vets had revolver and one zealot had flamer
upper sun
the ammo boxes got double tapped
spice veldt
if they spammed click on it then that's a problem
wind spruce
i can not stress this enough they were using revolvers on trash mobs
Yeah, in one 1% of your games. This just doesnt happen remotely often enough to have such a dumb gatekeeping attitude toward talent selection lol
spice veldt
but if they deployed it and there was an interval where you could've picked ammo from it given knowledge of how the team uses ammo
there is more than enough ammo in side paths
and if you want to be even comfier on ammo, just run assail or some shit
if you want people to play in a particular way, go play a premade
i don't see why people bitch this much about teammates when it's not even griefing when you willingly use public matchmaking
upper sun
if you want people to play in a particular way, go play a premade
i have performance anxiety ok?
im not bitching i will simply not play
spice veldt
hmmm i see a lot of bitching on here
dusk void
hmmm i see a lot of bitching on here
That’s me 😆
upper sun
im tame by content begging standards
spice veldt
ammo is plentiful, you have ways to mitigate it, and the player power level is high enough that it doesn't even matter
vestal fulcrum
thats the entire discord
I do not associate with the entire Discord
upper sun
I do not associate with *the entire Discord*
🤔
vestal fulcrum
And yet I don’t whinge a lot
spice veldt
ammo is indeed plentiful, you indeed have ways to mitigate it on zealot and psyker, and player power level is indeed high enough that it doesn't even matter
wind spruce
Just take a chill pill and stop focusing on what auras people are running lol. It's doubtful this isn't confirmation bias on your part to a large degree anyway
dusk void
ammo is indeed plentiful, you indeed have ways to mitigate it on zealot and psyk...
I agree with this 💯
upper sun
if i could actually play the game to have fun it wouldnt matter as much
why would i play a game where i know im gonna have a disadvantage id just be wasting time i can spend grinding plasteel
spice veldt
tfw pubs have variability in the form of the quality of teammates that you get matchmaked with
if only there was a way to play with people whose quality was known
much to think about
quartz barn
Its better when teammates run a poor loadout, they go down more often so i get more revives for penances 
upper sun
i would really like to get to a point where i can just have fun and not worry about the bottom line but playing games with a handiecap is gonna delay that
spice veldt
go run a generalist build or something
vestal fulcrum
much to think about
Or be me, and genuinely enjoy random occurrences in games I attend
spice veldt
it's not that hard
it's in your court to do that
if you run a specialized build in pubs, then that's just how it is
vestal fulcrum
Wins or losses aside (it’s mostly wins, though, plenty of good PUG folks to play with recently)
spice veldt
it shouldn't be a shocker that generalist builds are the best to taper down the variability of pubs
upper sun
if you run a specialized build in pubs, then that's just how it is
i do braced gun and evsci on zealot and truama/illisi or assail purge/deimos i wouldnt say those are specialized
spice veldt
and that further begs the question of how you're even running out of ammo if you're not running a specialized build that uses a lot of ammo or something
unless you're just plain not looting
ammo has never ever been a problem in my games
upper sun
because the entire map was picked clean
except a few locations that had small ammo tins
spice veldt
i really doubt that except in scenarios where pubs actually do loot
and i have never had team where all three players looted
at most, it's only been one other person who's been looting and i don't think i've ever seen two other teammates looting
i would really like these pubs where teammates actually do loot
plucky flax
infinite dodges clutch
Yes bring it back
dusk void
Just loot and help your teammates out with ammo. I’m decent at pubs but at least I loot for ammo and grenades to help my teammates
halcyon gust
Knife zealots come in a few forms
- Loot goblins as you end the mission with 880 Plasteel in the bank, 3 scriptures, and 2 grims at once
- Speed runners
- "Experts" that die painful deaths in some fuck off corner in the map
fresh reef
so, first time back in a few months and I'm using the build I had when the skill trees dropped
Mk5 DS, purgatus, BB, walls
still shockingly effective
mental rock
Ds4 generally considered the best DS now
fresh reef
fully aware
quartz barn
Ds5 is good too
fresh reef
Mk5 just has a flair to it I enjoy
untold niche
i would really like these pubs where teammates actually do loot
two is enuf
more than two it just becomes a plasteel competition in my experience
near wyvern
Its all about the dodge anyway
Combat blade enters the chat
quartz barn
dodges hordes while sliding and spinning around in circles
wind spruce
goofy ass build
Not taking one with the warp certainly is goofy
fresh reef
Not taking one with the warp certainly is goofy
which one is that again? forgot node names
fresh reef
I mean, I could
wind spruce
Should*
fresh reef
but purgatus crit toughness regen is really stupid as is
wind spruce
That doesn't make it less worth taking
wind spruce
It'll increase your effective toughness more than the +15 node will
You could also drop kinetic flayer since it's garbage
fresh reef
You could also drop kinetic flayer since it's garbage
**funny
wind spruce
Fair
vestal fulcrum
I have turned away from the ways of Wildfire
fresh reef
Don't it's big damage.
a third of my damage was in fact from warpfire
weary crane
Do force sword normal attacks count as warp damage?
frail harness
I *could* drop wildfire
You probably should tbh
wind spruce
Do force sword normal attacks count as warp damage?
No
wind spruce
a third of my damage was in fact from warpfire
A third? On a purg build?
Does the initial burn effect not count as warpfire
That makes sense I guess
fresh reef
only the DoT counts for the warpfire damage stat on scoreboard
wind spruce
Fair
plucky flax
a third of my damage was in fact from warpfire
I can confirm.
frail harness
goofy ass build
Warp Battery is going to be a lot better than kinetic flayer. That or OWTW
frail harness
Goofy ass build indeed
fresh reef
my siblings trying to recommend build tweaks looking like:
plucky flax
Yeah I use ee on my purga but I run creeping flames.
weary crane
No force weapon build
weary crane
Revolver and knife
brave fiber
based
digital narwhal
Imagine using Battle Meditation with a Gun Psyker build
weary crane
That's how its supposed to be used
The build wants low peril
Too keep gaze going
You cant be relying on battle meditation to keep your warp attacks going, its too unpredictable
Also if you go melee
It can reduce your peril while melee
Which reduces damage on warp builds
digital narwhal
The build wants low peril
Gun Psyker never really wants low Peril, especially if you're using something like Revolver or Combat Knife, which are entirely focused on single target damage, meaning you're not making the most of Battle Meditation's proc chance.
Gun Psyker is more efficient when using Warp Rider and edging your Peril, and only dipping in Peril right before using Scrier's Gaze; you juice up on as many buffs as possible for maximum DPS and use Scrier's Gaze as your steroid, instead of something to constantly try to be in.
Scrier's Gaze is advertised as something you want to extend the time of, but it's best use is for the crit chance and movement speed.
weary crane
Non warp weapons dont have high peril blessings
Warp rider will do very minimal, the build is focused on crit and weaksot
digital narwhal
Warp Rider exists, homie
Warp Rider is not minimal
and Warp Rider further juices your crit damage
vestal fulcrum
up to 20% damage
minimal
radiant frigate
20% extra damage is minimal now?
vestal fulcrum
Pick one
radiant frigate
this individual has clearly never played an mmo
digital narwhal
Thank god you guys are sane
radiant frigate
20% is huge
weary crane
You cant edge with gaze
vestal fulcrum
I’m not entirely sane, but im not going to sniff at 20% extra damage
digital narwhal
You cant edge with gaze
It's almost as if I said "edge your Peril for buff uptime, and then dip before using Scrier's Gaze"
vestal fulcrum
You cant edge with gaze
But you can with Assail, so, what gives?
radiant frigate
should i continue using obscurus..
digital narwhal
should i continue using obscurus..
Yes, it's funny
upper sun
You cant edge with gaze
you dont need to edge you need to goon keep it at max
digital narwhal
(Obscurus needs some serious moveset shuffling, attack value buffs, and a new Special fr)
upper sun
ok that was a bit much sorry
vestal fulcrum
And Scrier will eventually get you automatically to the funny 20% damage at 80% peril, which you can then use with your melee and/or ranged (or once you get to 100%, you can start edging Assail)
weary crane
But you can with Assail, so, what gives?
Well i will use it when im not in gaze,
I also have perloin and battle meditation to quell for me
digital narwhal
Scrier's is literally just free engagement with Warp Rider, yeah
radiant frigate
obscurus is kinda based
vestal fulcrum
I can’t think seriously of PP and BM for peril venting purposes, sorry
radiant frigate
wish it had an entirely cleavy attack chain though
somewhere
it would also be based if the special stacked true aim like it stacks uncanny
digital narwhal
The issue with using Battle Meditation on anything that isn't a Staff is that manual quelling is also just better, meanwhile Battle Meditation takes away your precious Peril as a Gun Psyker.
Assail is a "limited" resource, meaning you can only go so high with your Peril, and so using Battle Meditation means you end up with less damage gained from Warp Rider.
I'd rather take +20% damage than something that doesn't benefit non-Staff Psykers.
weary crane
Gaze speeds up over time
digital narwhal
Yes, and you don't need it on forever, so the issue is?
vestal fulcrum
Zaiz, a question: what are you trying to justify?
weary crane
Gaze speeds up over time
So the time where im actually in the 80-100 windows is very small unless i quell
digital narwhal
Like, you use Gaze for movement speed and crits as a Psyker, so
radiant frigate
yes and 1% quell on kill will not really change that
digital narwhal
yes and 1% quell on kill will not really change that
Watch 'em hit you with "but it's 10% on kill"
weary crane
I'm not using warp rider lol
digital narwhal
I'm not using warp rider lol
Okay, and that's your prerogative.
But it's literally just free damage for every Psyker.
Like
It's right there
at the bottom
for anyone to grab.
plucky flax
Based warp rider free player.
upper sun
its in a good spot too
upper sun
im breaking into his house and changing his talents as we speak
im behind you @weary crane
weary crane
I would have to swap it for something arguably more important
digital narwhal
I'm not forcing him to use it, I'm disagreeing that using Battle Meditation on Gun Psyker is helpful.
Massive typo
yeesh
plucky flax
Swap out combustion for it.
digital narwhal
It just so happens that my disagreeance of using Battle Meditation on Gun Psyker lines up with a good point for Warp Rider
weary crane
I'll test it
I'm just worried about taking on hordes of crushers with a knife
I'm going to be doing a lot of running
digital narwhal
Literally all I can say is just to get better at it.
I do it just fine and it's a matter of just getting used to using knife movement.
plucky flax
You'll never get hit by crushers on knife don't worry.
upper sun
I'm not forcing him to use it, I'm disagreeing that using Battle Meditation on G...
the issue is if you wanna get to assail what are your options?
vestal fulcrum
the issue is if you wanna get to assail what are your options?
Mettle and Perfect Timing are right there
These skills work great with Assail
upper sun
perfect timing is only warp damage tho
digital narwhal
the issue is if you wanna get to assail what are your options?
brave fiber
I'm just worried about taking on hordes of crushers with a knife
using knife is a trial by fire, if you arent playing like a rat drenched in olive oil you’re doin it wrong
vestal fulcrum
perfect timing is only warp damage tho
It’s more damage for the thing you will be using most of the time throughout the match. That has to have some weight, you know.
Mettle also can proc multiple times per attack
vestal fulcrum
That’s almost 1:1 what I typically use, except that I’m getting DD keystone
digital narwhal
That’s almost 1:1 what I typically use, except that I’m getting DD keystone
I'll use DD when it's less of a ball ache to use
vestal fulcrum
I just take Finesse upgrade for Gaze instead of warp resist
upper sun
thats not DD tho
weary crane
I added soulblaze to make use of mettle too
vestal fulcrum
I added soulblaze to make use of mettle too
How does that work?
plucky flax
Mettle also can proc multiple times per attack
Yeah but if your only warp weapon is assail mettle won't be enough. I've tried running only mettle as peril gen with assail and it sucks so bad. Need soulstealer.
weary crane
Oh i meant perfect timing
vestal fulcrum
Yeah but if your only warp weapon is assail mettle won't be enough. I've tried r...
I can agree with that.
plucky flax
Mettle alone is gucci for purga, trauma and surge tho
vestal fulcrum
Oh i meant perfect timing
Fair
digital narwhal
Yeah but if your only warp weapon is assail mettle won't be enough. I've tried r...
Mettle is for movement speed and crit sting Toughness gen
stuck sinew
I tune in to psyker chat and there's a convo about edging 
weary crane
I'll be faster than a zealot if I hit my crits
brave fiber
blaze trauma users when their opponent is a slightly tilted surface
weary crane
I tried speedrunning enclavon with vet build
I did it once
Lowering the bridge is the hardest part
brave fiber
there are three flavors to knife zealot, those who run crit cdr, those who go for maximum toughness regen, and those who die 150 meters ahead of their team because going fast is better than crack
digital narwhal
What's funny is Zealots actually get the least out of Knife
brave fiber
the secret menu fourth flavor is bleed knife zealot but we don’t talk about them
brave fiber
tbf zealot gets the most dmg and survivability out of knife but the reason knife is good on those classes is because they kinda immobile otherwise
plucky flax
I disagree. Zealot double bleed is based.
plucky flax
1 crit and the bleed would finish a shotgunner/gunner.
upper sun
bleed is stupid
plucky flax
I can clear shooters pack so fast with double bleed.
brave fiber
The second a zealot crafts a knife with mercy killer their fate is sealed
plucky flax
Just crit once and move to next dude.
upper sun
how does hitting someone with a knife then hitting someone else in the head make the first person bleed harder
weary crane
Oh just to be sure, malefic momentum applies to soulblaze right?
plucky flax
Not double bleed but this is how I knife on zealot. Teammates be like
https://youtu.be/_88_iKC4Vug
vestal fulcrum
Oh just to be sure, malefic momentum applies to soulblaze right?
It should, yeah.
upper sun
if its a melee weapon uncanny
brave fiber
I'm not sure what knife to use
mk3 is generally the better one because it’s super good single target but I’ve seen some people advocate for the newer one
plucky flax
Only very based players can use lacerate and flesh tearer together.
Don't try it at home.
brave fiber
Mk3 you want uncanny precog as blessings, then any combination of dmg perks you want depending on what you want out of the knife
plucky flax
No bleed
brave fiber
(I run nothing but crit cdr with shroud so I take crit chance + flak)
neat hare
The second a zealot crafts a knife with mercy killer their fate is sealed
yep here i am zealot crit bleed revolver combo wombo doing wonders
brave fiber
Yeah same thing with the zarona
neat hare
still map is my biggest enemy i usually when dodge fall of it xd\
brave fiber
You get a a god roll on that thing, you never look back
upper sun
hmm maybe i should log in and check what blessings i have on the knife
weary crane
I want uncanny and riposte and mercy killer and fleah tearer, because they all compliment each other
brave fiber
I want uncanny and riposte and mercy killer and fleah tearer, because they all c...
Precog over riposte always
Precog is just too op
weary crane
My build is based on crits though
upper sun
why not both?
brave fiber
because uncanny is op
fathom totem
I dunno about uncanny bieng OP.
upper sun
yeah
fathom totem
I don't run it.
upper sun
i dont have that
brave fiber
I dunno about uncanny bieng OP.
It’s op
fathom totem
Doing better then my blade with uncanny.
fathom totem
Then again I like to backstab and head stab all the time.
One shotting crushers is funny.
upper sun
why the hell do uncanny procs activate for everything instead of the target you're attacking
brave fiber
uncanny makes it so any melee weapon that can have uncanny is able to like 2-3 shot crushers
And deal with maulers even easier
Not to mention how good it is generally for most armored elites
fathom totem
It's all relative to what your gameplay is.
I have made like 10 blades with all the combinations.
End up using backstab and mercykiller the most.
brave fiber
It just straight up makes you do more damage against armored enemies
With knife specifically, the thing with backstab is that it’s too conditional, it’s not really useful for most elites that you can kill at a decent speed anyways. Uncanny is a persistent buff that just lets you ignore armor and kill everything easier
fathom totem
It's more on stealth char.
I'm not saying uncanny is bad. Just not on every blade on every char.
I have a build with canny blade.
brave fiber
yeah for sure I’m not arguing, there’s a place for backstab, it’s just that uncanny is just more generally useful, and the small niche that backstab fills is still done by uncanny with only a tiny bit more effort
honestly tier 4 uncanny should give max 80% rending, and backstab should get some other bonus to damage to make it more specialized
spice veldt
kill rending entirely
brave fiber
True
upper sun
universal rending is bad just make it only apply to the target you attack
spice veldt
if nothing else, they should revert it back to being multiplicative instead of being additive
especially if they want to give it in such absurd amounts
also the knife shouldn't get absurd adms on crits
brave fiber
Uncanny giving more than 100% rending at t4 always seemed funny to me
spice veldt
1.75x unyielding adms on a crit by default lamayo
brave fiber
it flattens weapon ADMs too much for my liking
also what’s adm? Not familiar with some of the terms
spice veldt
armour damage modifier
brave fiber
gotcha
fathom totem
Maybe I'm just outgrown the "jump in dodge slash everything" gameplay with the blade. Just want some more nuance when I'm playing the blade. Was also the first build I did and stuck with for the longest time on Zealot starting the game.
spice veldt
just the % of the base damage you do to an armour type
on crit, knife heavies deal 115% to flak, 150% to maniac, and 175% to unyielding for some reason
brave fiber
it’s supposed to be an assassin weapon, it’s just it’s way too ridiculous with uncanny
spice veldt
fatshark don't give weapons more than 100% adms challenge impossible!!!
brave fiber
tbf the vast majority of people don’t play at only high levels like the people in this discord do, it’s only a balancing issue for people who push this game to its limits
fathom totem
tbf the vast majority of people don’t play at only high levels like the people i...
That's very true sadly enough.
brave fiber
god knows when fatshark finally fixes the crafting system there’s gonna be some people who do some funky stuff
spice veldt
with adms and rending and all the things that can affect it, it results in a very weird situation where you can have a higher ADM against flak/cara than against unarmoured
which is not intuitive at all
so i want that sorted out
weary crane
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9baa651e-e206-4b14-8b76-b13b625304de/crit-psyker
Should I change any perks or blessings?
brave fiber
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9baa651e-e206-4b14-8b76-b13b625304de/cr...
My preference on knife would be uncanny over flesh tearer bc op, and for revolver, maniac over crit chance and surgical over point blank
otherwise it’s fine
You want warp rider tho
weary crane
yeah i got it
plucky flax
Knife has good enough finesse that you actually don't need uncanny to kill crusher.
It'd speed up kill time a lot, but It'd kill without in a competitive time anyhow.
brave fiber
true
plucky flax
When I play uncanny knife it's more for the extra bleed damage on monster.
Bleed just do more damage per tick for no reason.
brave fiber
knive does many things but I feel like it’s at its best when specialized
plucky flax
Specialised in applying bleed.
brave fiber
I got like 3 knives, one uncanny+precog, one mercy killer+flesh tearer, one flesh tearer+lacerate for memes
for reference I have them on zealot
not psyker
plucky flax
I'm from uk I have lots of knives.
brave fiber
Because I’m addicted to dueling sword
plucky flax
digital narwhal
Lacerate is a bad Blessing that encourages players to not do what the weapon wants to do, which is hit headshots.
Use Flesh Tearer instead.
Max Bleed stacks with 2 crits.
jovial juniper
Did say for the memes
untold niche
- knife
- run fast but
- clinks against metal
- zero horde clear
- why?
at least off memory its bad against cara...
flat nexus
It aint that bad against carapace 👀
plucky flax
You have faulty memory.
untold niche
hmmmm should i try knife on my zealot den
judgement knife
but knife needs crit right
flat nexus
Wait