psyker-class

[magic kayak]

at 63 on mine it does 125.2 heavy and 46.95 light

minimal difference so I figure going with the other stats being high is really where I want it to be

[rigid sky]

Yeah, sounds like penetration might be better there. Depends also on what you actually hit with it though

[spice veldt]

it'll make up the difference since rending has diminishing returns once you hit 100% adms anyways

[magic kayak]

I point is uncanny wont make a difference to the penetration stat damage multiplier

not that adding the blessing wouldn't be ideal if I use it for crushers etc

[spice veldt]

rending does interact with adms

adms being what's listed in the description of penetration

[magic kayak]

Uncanny isn't going to make up for a low penetration stat in other words

[spice veldt]

e.g., the light attack vs carapace 6.34% is the armor damage modifier of your 1st light against carapace

[magic kayak]

So its better to have high pen than high damage on dagger unless you will just never use the knife on armored targets

[spice veldt]

comparing 0% pen to 80% pen, you're missing out on 8.2875% damage against carapace on heavies once you reach 100% adms with uncanny

and 11.475% damage on heavies against flak

and that's between 0% pen and 80% pen

between 0% and 80% damage, it scales from 100 to 132 base damage

[magic kayak]

with zero blessing or perks, I do 293 dmg to carapace weakspot hit on a 79 dmg dagger vs 305 dmg on a 63 damage dagger

[spice veldt]

yes

the point is that with uncanny

[mental grail]

I use assail on my gunker currently to save ammo lol

[magic kayak]

With uncanny I'll still do more damage with the lower dmg stat, higher pen weapon

[spice veldt]

do you know what rending does

by any chance

[magic kayak]

yes it basically bypasses a % of armor on the target

the penetration stat does not

[mental grail]

this is a bunch of non force sword gibberish I'm too much of a deimoschad to understand

[spice veldt]

rending interacts with the same stuff that the penetration stat does

the armour damage modifier value

[magic kayak]

it interacts in a completely different way

[spice veldt]

alright, how does your version of rending work

what's the formula

ah fucking loadout config crashing me

[magic kayak]

basically when you attack certain types of armor you can see in your damage table the amount of damage you will do, effectively it autocalculates the % damage reduction your weapon does against armor types

[spice veldt]

and for my version of rending
Let's say your attack deals 40% damage to carapace. Then, rending will contribute a full, additive effect to your ADM. If you have +24% rending, then that means you do 64% damage to carapace now. This continues until you reach an ADM of 100%, after which rending will now have 1/4th effectiveness. E.g., If you deal 100% adm to carapace and you have +24% rending, you'll deal 100% + 24% * (1/4) = 106% to carapace now.
In addition, rending is capped at 100%, so there is no further benefit of having more than 100% rending.

[magic kayak]

for example, if I hit carapace with my knife the heavy attack to the weakspot does 290 dmg, wheras it does 476 to unarmoured

[spice veldt]

lemme demonstrate it once i get loadout config working

[cosmic sigil]

i use melee

[spice veldt]

Let's establish the numbers.
Without uncanny,

• a (0 damage, 80 penetration) knife deals 232 damage
• a (80 damage, 0 penetration) knife deals 173 damage

With uncanny, and at max t4 stacks,

• a (0 damage, 80 penetration) knife deals 439 damage
• a (80 damage, 0 penetration) knife deals 546 damage

[magic kayak]

my dagger does 60.92 % against carapage with a heavy attack. with uncanny iv adding up to 120% rending, that would return the weapon to full damage against carapace in addition to 80.92*.25=20.23% damage

[spice veldt]

The proof of this, in order as listed above,
https://streamable.com/9m8zma
https://streamable.com/5cszp8
https://streamable.com/ysumv2
https://streamable.com/o6v71r

the mod used is Loadout Config if you wish to verify for yourself

[magic kayak]

why would you go from 0 to 80?

that really skews the weapons

[spice veldt]

to exaggerate the effect to demonstrate it

yes i know

i'm not here to make a nuanced continuous take

[magic kayak]

that creates an ad absurdum argument though

[spice veldt]

i'm here to demonstrate what rending is

and what it does

[magic kayak]

I know what rending does though

but when you reduce the base stat so far, the modifiers become less and less effective

penetration works off a % of base damage itself

[spice veldt]

no you don't

because you would not say this sentence otherwise

[magic kayak]

you're dead wrong lol

[spice veldt]

i recorded the videos above

you can go watch the videos

[magic kayak]

64 damage versus 80 damage isn't nearly as big a spread as 0 damage....

[spice veldt]

yes I know

but the scaling is linear for boht

[magic kayak]

well that's what I'm specifically talking about

[spice veldt]

what range should i record for pen

64 vs 80?

i'll record 64 damage 80 penetration and 80 damage and 64 penetration then

[magic kayak]

I just grabbed this weapon and I answered someone that the damage stat isn't as important

[spice veldt]

yes and I'm declaring you wrong

(with uncanny strike stacks up)

[magic kayak]

I'd rather have the higher pen and mob and fin and first target over the damage stat

[spice veldt]

if we're talking about the other stats, i'd rather dump mobility so that i don't dodge out of range of enemies all the time

[magic kayak]

I'm using this in a psyker who won't be in melee if he can help it unless I'm trying to take out a priority target

[spice veldt]

but between damage and penetration, and with uncanny strike stacks up, a knife with 80 dmg 60 pen will deal more damage to carapace than a knife with 60 dmg 80 pen

yeah that's fine then

[cosmic sigil]

dodging out of range is a momemtum knife zealot pb tbh

and maybe ws vet

[spice veldt]

but either way, i've already recorded videos demonstrating that higher damage is better than higher pen against carapace

you're free to watch them

[magic kayak]

I would like to see how 60 dmg 80 pen vs 60 pen 80 damage compares for sure

[spice veldt]

you can also go look at the rending calculation in the github

search up rending and the formula is somewhere in a file

[magic kayak]

even past 100 rending you get a 1% damage bonus for every 4% rending past 100

so my initial statement that uncanny isn't going to make the penetration stat useless is correct

adding uncanny blessing does not make up for a lower penetration stat

[spice veldt]

sure, but this statement is

[magic kayak]

which was my entire point

[spice veldt]

yes it

does

[magic kayak]

no it does not

[spice veldt]

I JUST DEMONSTRATED IT WITH THE VIDEOS ABOVE

YOu CAN GO SEE THE NUMBERS FOR YOURSELF MAN

COME ON

[magic kayak]

uncanny with 60 pen vs uncanny 80 pen, the 80 pen will do more damage

try to read what I write instead of what you assume

[spice veldt]

ok fine 60 and 80

...

[cosmic sigil]

onslaught is a fair and balanced blessing on a autogun

[magic kayak]

I'm sorry if you're jumping to conclusions here but the damage modifier of penetration still applies with uncanny or not

[cosmic sigil]

PROVE ME WRONG

[spice veldt]

tbf onslaught is a whatevs talent

since it's 2.5% per hit anyways

[magic kayak]

so you can't tell me uncanny with 0 pen is going to do the same damage as 80 pen and uncanny

[spice veldt]

both stats scale linearly

and thus are proportional to the point cost in the same manner

it won't do the same number

but as a function of the stat point, the ordering will be the same

[magic kayak]

You confused two points of mine into one.

1. for me personally I wanted the stat rolls for modifiers and the damage stat wasn't as important to me
2. uncanny with penetration doesn't make penetration stat moot

[spice veldt]

i didn't confuse your first point at all

you're free to pick whatever you like

i have beef with the second point

[magic kayak]

I'm sorry but you did confuse my first point, because you see, that's my opinion

[spice veldt]

wha

i already said that it's fine to run whatever you like

i literally have no contention with that

i am directly stating that i don't care about what you run

and will repeat once more that you are free to run whatever you want to

this is as direct as I can be

[magic kayak]

I enjoy all the math so that doesn't bother me and anything I do to learn more about how its calculated is great

my only real point was that uncanny itself even at and beyond 100% still doesn't negate having a higher penetration stat to do more damage

[spice veldt]

i don't disagree with that

[magic kayak]

even if you do 80 damage 80 pen with uncanny versus 80 damage 0 pen and uncanny, you'll see a damage increase against carapace and flak

[spice veldt]

i will repeat once more that i disagree with this statement

and i am quoting you directly

[magic kayak]

I haven't seen that part disproven yet

[spice veldt]

i'm not wrangling your words or anything

did you watch the videos

[magic kayak]

Yes but you're using 0 pen and 0 dmg

Instead I was actually referring to 64 dmg vs 79 which are the two daggers i was considering

[spice veldt]

sure but hopefully i don't need to whip out a mathematical proof that since the damage outcome are both a linaer function of the stat point, the ordering will be the same regardless of the numbers chosen as long as the stat point difference between both comparisons is the same

[magic kayak]

that isn't true though because the 0-80 on each stat block effects each stat differently

[spice veldt]

yes

i know

i'm saying that they're both linearly proportional

i'm not saying that they scale at the exact same constant wrt the stat point

i'm saying that they're both linear anyways

[magic kayak]

being linear in and of itself isn't relavent though as you're comparing the two and they are not linear with one another

0-80 damage stat on dagger is 100-140

pen is 53.4%-99.3% for flak

carapace is 34.4% - 67.55%

[plucky flax]

My teammate hates exo suit.

[mental grail]

I like your funny words, magic man.

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/zpkxjd
https://streamable.com/n0if64
https://streamable.com/wjy6b0
https://streamable.com/3opf7e

[magic kayak]

ok let me watch the videos

[crisp monolith]

Uncanny just broken

[magic kayak]

ok so the higher penetration did more damage the first 2 hits, then uncanny took over on doing more damage, up to cap of 571 vs 544 damage

[spice veldt]

yes

[magic kayak]

the crits obviously I couldn't record

so first three hits they do 1 damage difference

total

80 dmg / 60 pen w/ uncanny = 273+394+506=1,173
60 dmg / 80 pen w/ uncanny = 288+401+483=1,172

I know it goes up from there as with max uncanny strikes it was 571 vs 544

It makes sense that running uncanny with penetration makes penetration about 25% less effective if going over 100% rending is a 4:1 ratio

[wind spruce]

So you were wrong

Isn't the second heavy on mk2 the same as the heavies on mk5 except lacking the cleave stat?

[magic kayak]

I'm not really sure what you feel this statement I made actually meant

[untold niche]

means the damage grow by the order of O(n)

[magic kayak]

I have two knives and was comparing them I wasn't making a blanket statement about penetration over damage. I know damage stat isn't as direct as it seems where 60-80 damage is a 20% damage increase etc

[spice veldt]

sure, but i also disagree with what you said about the rending calculation

[untold niche]

arco i think you putting too much effort :v
you should at least save these somewhere imo

[magic kayak]

what did I say about the rending calculation

[spice veldt]

that it doesn't interact with the same value that the pen stat does

when it in fact does

[magic kayak]

Yes it does, my statement was wrong in that regard

[spice veldt]

alright then my job is done

[untold niche]

[magic kayak]

Good, because my original two points were right

[untold niche]

im laughing at the situation arco is in, im not laughing at you personally zero.
To me everyone is just randomInternetMan

[magic kayak]

I'm not offended lol

He basically went to all this effort to basically pinpoint a single statment I made that was wrong which was unrelated to the original points made

[spice veldt]

because i don't care about the original points

i never cared about it

[magic kayak]

Except you did

[spice veldt]

i only care about the wrong statements about rending

[magic kayak]

Because what started all this was me saying that my lower damage higher pen weapon would do more damage

[spice veldt]

alright what even were the original points

[magic kayak]

more damage than what?

[spice veldt]

yeah I read that and disagreed with that statement as I interpreted it

[magic kayak]

"well, more than more other knife I was comparing it to." We still have finesse and first target to contend with

[spice veldt]

ok but i don't care about that

i only care about the damage and pen comparison since ADM and rending was involved

[magic kayak]

my higher damage knife with lower pen has lower rolls on both

[mental grail]

knife users are losers

[cosmic sigil]

The MK2 h2 is horizontalish... Whereas mk5 heavies look like overhead slash

[magic kayak]

haha at least we can run fast and die alone 1 mile ahead

[mental grail]

real chads use proper weapons

[spice veldt]

this is where i started to begin disagreeing with what was said

[mental grail]

based

[spice veldt]

whatever original point you had, i did not care

[magic kayak]

I don't think anyone is talking about who cares about what

[spice veldt]

and the fact that i had a pinpoint disagreement with what you said is hopefully indicative of what i had contention with

[mental grail]

unfortunately I don't need a knife to run ahead and die

[magic kayak]

Pen does damage % against armor types though, it definitely does

[mental grail]

[spice veldt]

sure, I'm responding to this statement which implied that all of what i said was solely to disprove your original point

[magic kayak]

it isn't always addiitonal damage though, depends on the weapon

[spice veldt]

which it wasn't

[rigid sky]

All because I asked if the damage stat was high enough lmao

[magic kayak]

Don't you EVER, EVER, do that again

[spice veldt]

ye

just that the value that pen and rending interacts with, the adm, are the one and same value

[rigid sky]

Accidentally started the Great Psyker Schism of 2024-3-10 morning

[mental grail]

Why did you divide us like this?

I'm holding you directly responsible.

[untold niche]

🐭

[magic kayak]

but doesn't rending also effect all armor types? penetration only effects flak and carapace

[spice veldt]

affects flak, maniac, unyielding, and carapace

[magic kayak]

So by definition they are not mutally inclusive of all armor types

correct

[spice veldt]

they made it not affect unarmoured and infested somewhere in patch 13

alright fine if i want to be precisely correct, then they interact with the same sort of value

i'm not here to be that pedantic

[magic kayak]

haha I'm teasing on that last part

[spice veldt]

i just had a disagreement with what was said about rending

o ok

[magic kayak]

I was being pedantic there for sure

I knew pen did a damage modifer against flak and carapace but I didn't realize rending was an additive multiplier up to 100%

[spice veldt]

it used to be multiplicative up until patch 13 or whatever which was probably what messed you up

[magic kayak]

I knew rending capped at 100% but not that that 100% was inclusive of your actual pen armor modifier

so how does that work if you're at 110% pen modifier (does evisc do extra damage to armored?)

I know you can't get uncanny on all weapon types, but can you get it on any with a more then 100% modifier?

[spice veldt]

yeah just eyeballing it, the knives have 100% or so adm against unyielding

so if you had 100% rending (the cap), you'd do 125% damage to unyielding

[magic kayak]

I'd like to that take easy route but I'm ok being wrong when I'm wrong. In this case I just didn't think they were directly additive to one another up to 100%.

So I could just not use uncanny then I could feel better about my 64 dmg 80 pen haha, except its basically the only blessing worth having

[cosmic sigil]

Yes uncaknyfe it is

[magic kayak]

yeah but what about the second blessing?

[wind spruce]

Riposte

20 + 15 from knoife + 7.5 class + 5-10 from talents = great EE uptime

[cosmic sigil]

I like precog

Riposte is good too

Maybe riposte on a psyker yeah

I would go precog on zealot

[lyric burrow]

i like precog on both classes although duellist + precog on zealot is really strong

[plucky flax]

No bleed

[static needle]

Does soulblaze dmg from blaze-on-crit blessing still scale with uncanny strike for rending?

[lyric burrow]

ye

to my knowledge all soulblaze is still affected by uncanny

[static needle]

How do you one shot a crusher with parries?

can psyker do that?

[lyric burrow]

probably not

the crusher one shot is pretty talent specific now you need stuff like zealots duellist + martyr buffs

maybe like full scriers + 30 stacks of DD

true aim up

[lunar hollow]

true aim doesnt work on melee SMH

[lyric burrow]

oh right

[radiant frigate]

crusher parry oneshot sounds way too specific

[cosmic sigil]

Telopots does it without martyr on zealot

https://youtu.be/YvB0dV9qqIU?si=7FUxrSFlQM3oPixO

[radiant frigate]

though, if you look closely

it was an ulted parry

[dusk void]

Question. Is 32 GB of RAM overkill to a gaming PC?

[halcyon gust]

If it is worth doing

It is worth over doing

And there is no such thing as overkill

[untold niche]

depend on game

if you have to ask that means you ahve super high end rrig anyway

so just get the 32

[upper sun]

how is min maxxing ram even a question?

you need at least 76 gb for the breakpoint

[plucky flax]

32 is pretty mid.

64 is common now.

[wet belfry]

Depends highly on what you are aiming to do.

Generally id say yes 32 isnt needed.

Majority of games dont eat 32 gbs of ram.

On the bright side if you ever want to install more ram its not to difficult to open up the motherboard to add more.

You can also use SSDS as potenial ram but that isnt ideal.

[potent echo]

32gb is just extra on top of 16, for your background videos while gaming

Since 16 is the standard for consoles and most games follow the consoles

[fathom totem]

I'm at 8-10gb just having my chrome and background apps open.

32gb is safe.

[balmy flax]

I think 64gb starts to become a future proofing thing. I def wouldn't buy a new decent gaming rig with less than 32 at least.

Doesn't dual channel with 4 slots carry higher risk of instability? That would make me prefer 32x2.

If not really then 16x2 and upgrade with another 16x2 if needed.

[fathom totem]

It depends more if you are mixing speeds and timings of the ram.

[potent echo]

Probably don't mix speeds, but yea 16x2 is the safe bet, 32x2 is pricer for not much benefit, but if price ain't a concern then

[smoky wigeon]

@cosmic sigil Does that parry guide work for the Duiling sword as well??

[balmy flax]

Im at 6.2gb with steam, 1chrometab only, discord running. Windows 10 though.

[plucky flax]

Yep 32x2 is the way. Only use 2 sticks.

[crude vortex]

Don't usually need more than 16 GB, kind of overkill otherwise

[upper sun]

if you have an ssd and your system is debloated you dont need need more than 16 for most things

[crude vortex]

Even with an HDD I didn't need more than that. It's going to depend more on the power of your GPU and CPU if your brick can think hard enough to process things without chugging

[near bobcat]

my time playing psyker again has left my mind wondering "just how hard can I torture a rager for all the trouble they give me?"

[crude vortex]

Dueling sword 😏

Poke it to death

[balmy flax]

I like capturing a sniper and then yelling on team that we have sniper prisoner.
Nothing makes the whole team assemble faster than that. Weird.
Netted? nah xD

[rigid sky]

Purgatus LMB buff until it's dead

[main wyvern]

what perks do you guys use for illisi

i just got 25 flak and 20 carapace

[halcyon gust]

I generally run Flak+Maniac

[upper sun]

flak is perfect with or without carapace you're not gonna do damage to carap

maniac is great

what blessings do you have?

[main wyvern]

idk it's purple

with slaughter 3

[upper sun]

slaught 3 is good

[main wyvern]

i was hoping for uncanny + deflector

[upper sun]

slaught works great with illisi

but lets see that second blessing tho

[main wyvern]

i'm perpetually 0 plasteel so that's gonna have to wait

[upper sun]

iktfb

tho force swords are not that bad to build there are a lot of good blessings

[junior linden]

does anyone have a decent assail build I feel like shutting my brain off

[upper sun]

and since you already have slaught flak its pretty much great already

[main wyvern]

how important is first target

i am hoping it's not that important

[rigid sky]

Illisi doesn't seem that bad vs carapace if you use the special

[upper sun]

its pretty important

damage+first target then finnese mobility then warp res

[main wyvern]

don't say that

i can't buy another sword

[upper sun]

this is us right now

i spent two weeks grinding aurics to get one deimos

[main wyvern]

i got this one idk how good it is but we're keeping it

[upper sun]

its good

[upper sun]

idk i still dont feel great walking up to a crusher with an illisi rather than a deimos

[plucky flax]

First target is a bit low to 1 shot mutie without any buff.

But you should be able to do it with warp charges/peril.

[rigid sky]

Me neither but my gunker build doesn't have many better options

I run Illisi/CIAG/Assail

[upper sun]

we need a no ds4 support group 😭

[rigid sky]

CIAG isn't too bad at killing them with DD/SG but I have to resort to the Illisi sometimes

I have a DS4

[upper sun]

then use it!!!!

[rigid sky]

Nah, prefer Illisi for that

One-shots muties with unpowered heavies with DD stacks

or SG

[upper sun]

ds4 with gaze/dd stacks has great clear

[rigid sky]

It isn't cleave capped?

Illisi with gaze/dd stacks has great single target lol

gaze/dd stacks make all finesse weapons busted

[upper sun]

i dont think its a cap like evscirator i think it just doesnt do any damage on anything more than the 4th target

[rigid sky]

isn't that what a cap is >_>

[upper sun]

i mean like a soft cap

[rigid sky]

I don't know, DS4 is the holy trinity weapon I use least

Prefer the force swords generally

[upper sun]

shit i think its 3

yeah 3 for light 4 for heavy

no wait heavy isnt capped

[rigid sky]

Hard to cleave much with heavies though

Except for those perfect stack moments

[upper sun]

yeah you can also do it before they pile at you

[rigid sky]

The other weapon I found really suited gunker was the Rashad actually

Just a strong allrounder

Unimpressive crits though iirc

[upper sun]

what do you use with it?

thrust?

[rigid sky]

Decimator all I have lol

Only tried it once

(And obviously bromentum)

[near bobcat]

has anyone tested disrupt destiny with assail at all?

i mainly use empowered psionics with it

[rigid sky]

Very fucking strong

If I run Assail, I run DD.

[near bobcat]

hrm.

okay, i might swap to it.

[rigid sky]

Make sure your ranged is compatible with it too though

If you don't run Voidstrike or a good Finesse gun you're losing a chunk of the benefit

Maybe Surge idk

[near bobcat]

i run voidstrike

[rigid sky]

Yeah definitely DD, or WS imo

I do DD

[near bobcat]

DD?

[rigid sky]

Disrupt

[near bobcat]

ahhh

lmao first match i try it and i get left alone with 3 maulers and a horde while everyone else focuses the plague ogryn

okay game, thanks for the confidence

[upper sun]

what staff did you have?

[near bobcat]

voidstrike

[upper sun]

simply kill them

though i cant talk about this subject pox bursters and maulers are most of my deaths on psyker

[near bobcat]

3 maulers and a horde while the rest of my team just screws off to deal with the plague ogryn.

literally the sole ogryn we had could've dealt with the plague instead of everyone just leaving me to my death lmao

[rigid sky]

Horde makes it harder

3 maulers alone you can just smash with the voidstrike

[near bobcat]

yeah, i got slowed by the hordes taking potshots at me while i was trying to dodge back

[rigid sky]

Horde makes it harder to find windows to nuke

Do you run Venting Shriek?

Helps those moments

[near bobcat]

no, shield

[upper sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvhWskjIwR0
long ass clip ikno

but i swear to god pox bursters avoid me when i play zealot and gravitate to me when i play psyker

[junior linden]

was having a good run until I got knocked off the edge by a plague ogryn 2 seconds after it spawned

kill me

[radiant frigate]

i'm surprised how little you melee

[upper sun]

its the fear

[static needle]

Laspistol gunker with tac axe scriers gaze build

[junior linden]

jesus christ

which laspistol?

[rigid sky]

I'd imagine both work but maybe Accatran a bit better?

[junior linden]

ive been enjoying columnus gunker but I wanna branch out to more guns once I get a good stockpile of plasteel again

[hollow current]

@upper sun lmao look at what popped up in my hourly.

[upper sun]

😡

🤔

72% first target tho

[hollow current]

I don't even need them but man, the odds for two decent swords to pop up at the same time.

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1216372129721749575/f6a89e6cfe8ab3fa06a75526f879decb.jpg

i got this for ogryn today

i dont even play ogryn

[hollow current]

wow both the perks

I think unyielding and carapace is preferred but at least it isn't poxwalkers lol

[upper sun]

i have no idea

[mighty olive]

Good afternoon siblings, hope you're all doing well!

[hollow current]

I bricked 7 swords last night.

[upper sun]

I bricked many hammers swords and some guns and failed at some blessing hunting

[hollow current]

• minus 7k plasteel.

[orchid shadow]

That's a whole lot of bunny hopping.

[hollow current]

But I have 250k so w/e i guess

[upper sun]

i swear to god if they add a new tier of weapons that renders what i have already unusable im going to sweden to scream at them personally

[upper sun]

my cs source days have left their mark

[mighty olive]

I'll come with you, I wanna try Sweden's banana curry pizza >_>

[upper sun]

nah if anything ill just open a can of rotten fish in the lobby

[mighty olive]

Ewww

That might just work

[mighty olive]

Is this an auric or maelstrom map? That's amazing >_<

[junior linden]

with that much damage accross the team it has to be

[cinder moon]

not who you asked, but this laspistol of mine demolishes everything

even bosses

really funny watching the rest of the team doing basically chip damage and then my pew pew pew takes big chunks of the health bar away

[junior linden]

Ty!

[tepid rock]

was able to solo a beast of nurgle on Malice for the first time using perill edging

my hands hurt

[queen trout]

i love just sitting 2 feet from a reaper spraying me down and shooting him in the face with ghost

[rigid sky]

Tbf gunker in general treats bosses like fodder

[cinder moon]

the laspistol in particular doing uber boss damage is just funny, though

[rigid sky]

It's pretty good at that I thought

Especially since you put infernus on it

[cinder moon]

yeah, but it's seemingly incongruous because "it's just a pistol"

meanwhile 6wc/scrier's go brrrr

[mighty olive]

what's the difference between the accatran heavy las pistrol and the kantrael mk x ?

[rigid sky]

Accatran is faster

Kantrael is almost as slow as MGXII

[mighty olive]

ahhh got it, thank you ^_^

[rigid sky]

I like fast guns for psyker

[mighty olive]

mhm i would too i think

[rich spindle]

Lebron james reportedly brings laspistol to scab only maelstorm

[junior linden]

lebron james spotted picking up grimoire on damnation

[proud mantle]

can someone explain why the surge is doing so much rn, are crits also doing weakspot dmg?

[rigid sky]

When did you last use it? Surge staff was reworked in patch 13

[proud mantle]

used today, granted it was in an all melee auric mission but it whooped the mission

[rigid sky]

It's now a single target nuke staff (with minor cleave to a second target)

[upper sun]

a whole lotta good that ghost blessing did him

[rigid sky]

I mean before you noticed it feeling stronger

[proud mantle]

oh uhhh

waaay back when they added multiple trees in the first place

[hollow current]

raking fire + DD + scriers gaze + red stim on beast of nurgles weak spot

[upper sun]

aaaaa fuck off brunt

give me something for any other class

[cinder moon]

i'm only half gunker build with my laspistol, still outdamaged 2 ogryn and vet against beast of nurgle in my last match 😂

6wc go brrr

can you tell she used to be an enforcer?

[kindred thicket]

what do all the force swords do?

[rigid sky]

Deimos single, Illisi cleave, obscurus doesn't get picked.

[kindred thicket]

Thanks

so what do obscurus do?

[upper sun]

single target jab that does the same damage as the illisi cleave

like the worst of both

[static needle]

Auric maelstrom

[mighty olive]

ooo very nice

am impress<3

[shy willow]

finally got warp battery

[halcyon gust]

Congrats Sibling

[shy willow]

changed up my build a bit to get it, and I found one that works pretty well for me

[crude vortex]

May I see 👁️

[shy willow]

what, you can't just use your psyker powers to see?

[crude vortex]

No I'm focusing on hovering these rations into my mouth

[shy willow]

xD

one sec, let me get you a screenshot

[pine carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

[crude vortex]

oh you even used the 6 charge build

[shy willow]

it probably looks inefficient as all hell

[pine carbon]

swap the brain burst talents

[shy willow]

nah, I don't use venting shriek unless I absolutely need the stagger

[wind spruce]

That's not a brain burst talent

They mean get rid of kinetic flayer because it's garbage

[upper sun]

if you wanna use guns something like this is prolly better but im not a good gunker

[shy willow]

I haven't used scrier's at all, I'll look into it

[upper sun]

maybe assail instead of smite but the issue with that is no psykinetic's aura

scrier is great for guns

[wind spruce]

Battle meditation is better than purloin providence and there's no point having perfect timing without a staff or assail, but otherwise that's good

[upper sun]

oh wait yeah its warp damage only

[shy willow]

I usually use a staff, but I found it too slow for snap kills to get warp battery

[upper sun]

yeah you're right

[wind spruce]

Yeah, I'd drop perfect timing and purloin for battle meditation and another 15 toughness

Purloin providence is 3% peril reduction per blue man kill. It's pretty low impact

[upper sun]

tbh im not a big battle med guy i only use it on purge but yeah perfects useless there

[wind spruce]

It's good with scriers

Battle meditation shouldn't ever be run with creeping flames

Because, yeah, overall it's extremely low impact

[upper sun]

i use bubble with purge i know about the boss interactions but idk i feel safer with it on purge since its less mobile

[wind spruce]

Boss interactions?

[static needle]

Gunpsyker here! As a gunker you definitely want assail to get toughness back unless u have an illisi to use warp attack to get back thru soulstealer (which u always wanna run anyway). And i would also as well recommend running battle meditations to get a few more seconds out of scrier's gaze

[upper sun]

the extra stacks

[wind spruce]

Columnus gunker is perfectly viable without assail

[static needle]

or vent in general. Its overkill at that point

[static needle]

true, that too

but its not as fast as assail but if you can handle that, go for it

[upper sun]

i agree clear would be great on gunkr but its just too hard to say no to psyknetics

[wind spruce]

You mean getting above 15 stacks of soul blaze with shriek? Not really what I was talking about

[upper sun]

i was hoping to get a columus for that build

[upper sun]

yeah

[wind spruce]

The toughness regen isn't as fast?

[static needle]

yes

[wind spruce]

Meh, you get plenty back from mettle and peril

[static needle]

assail is kinda mandatory for any other weapon than colomnus tho imo. They dont have fast crit chains like colomnus

[upper sun]

yeah a couple of shards on trash and you're at full toughness too

i wish assail and smite switched places 😢

[wind spruce]

I'd probably agree with that

I always default to assail with las pistol

[static needle]

the problem is, what do you do when scriers isnt active? then theres no effective way to get toughness back while still killing things unless ur running illisi

[wind spruce]

Mettle

And you don't need toughness if you're killing things

[static needle]

then run crit aura and 5% crit on the weapon

[wind spruce]

You'll be immune to ranged and you shouldn't be getting hit by melee

[static needle]

the firing time doesnt have the uptime that laspistol does tho, therefore emphatic evasion will be a little less useful on colomnus than on laspistol

spamfiring the old laspistol will also make u immune to ranged

[wind spruce]

Idk, I just dodge slide a couple of times while I'm reloading then I'm good to go again

[wind spruce]

You can also just smite for a few seconds to generate enough peril to get most of your toughness back. It's a non issue

[static needle]

then youre not being active and killing things, youre just stalling at that point

thats my rationale anyway

[stone canyon]

Doubt ill ever use it, especially on Psyker, but 4x 80, must pick for collection

[wind spruce]

There are either enough enemies that staggering them and knocking them over will be useful, or there are so little enemies you don't need the toughness anyway. Regardless, you could just keep using your columnus in both situations. There is also a ton of situations in which stalling for 3-5 seconds is extremely useful.

[stone canyon]

dogs

[halcyon gust]

Times I wish you can transfer weapons to other characters you own

Big ball of Melee elites

[stone canyon]

Yeah and wish Fatshark took time to make balance patch for all forgotten weapons and talents

[kindred thicket]

Is there away to use smite for damage instead of CC?

[cinder moon]

pair with wildfire/vent with creeping flames

i use that on my full lightning build, CCs entire mixed hordes in auric damn while killing a fair amount of them

[near drift]

EP smite if you realllllly want damage but I can't recommend it

[cinder moon]

EP works best with the lightning build since you get it back quickly from hordes, and you can spam venting shriek without losing EP stacks

[kindred thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[cinder moon]

you have to really commit to smite to get the most out of it

[near drift]

I'd rather do warp siphon to make smite last longer while also benefitting my staff, full committing on smite just feels too much like throwing for trash clear

[cinder moon]

my w/r on damn/auric is like 95% with the lightning spam, can easily carry weak teams

can keep smite up for pretty long between battle meditation/venting shriek

[kindred thicket]

what staff could I pair with it?

[cinder moon]

i use surge but a good trauma staff would probably work well, never tried it with void

[kindred thicket]

what does the void staff do?

[cinder moon]

this is how i run it https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b88aab3-1ace-484a-a1ae-63b4c89f1ac9/unlimited-power-3

[rigid sky]

Charged up energy balls that penetrate well and do huge impact damage. Can build it to 1-shot Crushers on a crit headshot. It's fun and strong as fuck.

[cosmic sigil]

that's my build with a shred taxe and a graia / columnus, i have no tg pb tbh

[rigid sky]

It feels like a psychic bowling ball

[cosmic sigil]

nobody complains about smite when using it appropriately

[rigid sky]

Not a fan of using it myself but always appreciate somebody using it wisely

Would definitely take Venting Shriek with it

Tbf I think most psyker stuff synergises best with shriek

Definitely what the class was built around lol

[cosmic sigil]

well, on that build, i use it like a stun grenade for ''oh shit moment'', when people didn't see the pack of crushers or that buster coming silently

[rigid sky]

Yeah, or controlling a bunch of ragers

It's like a pocket zealot Chorus

[cosmic sigil]

pushing them to the ground

yes

[rigid sky]

Without the toughness and invuln bits

Like the only problem I have with it is that it's yet another close range thing

Most psyker shit is already close range focused with CC baked in besides for gunzerker

[cosmic sigil]

this is why i use the graia now, easier to snipe

[rigid sky]

I feel like I end up relying on my team for sniper standoffs

Ah :) I use CIAG which snipes just fine too, but my gunker uses assail

[wet belfry]

I dont really see how psyker is close range

[rigid sky]

Because SG/DD assails are hilarious

[wet belfry]

The only ranged weapon on psyker that cant be long range is purgatus staff

[cosmic sigil]

i use pygex build for assail / ciag shenanigans

[wet belfry]

Every other weapon either is a gun or is a staff with LMB

[rigid sky]

Our other staves, besides void, still have limited ranges right? Not sure how long Surge is

The LMB is pretty good

[wet belfry]

LMB on staffs dont

[rigid sky]

I struggle to hit with it a little but I am trying to use it more

[cosmic sigil]

yes, i stopped using ep completely

[rigid sky]

But Psyker's fancy shit is usually closer range or blitz (or gun)

Staff bolts are like the nothing-better-to-do stuff

[cosmic sigil]

and i use this for revolver + illisi

[cosmic sigil]

yeah that's pain with a trauma, i don't know how i would do without br

[jovial juniper]

Around 30 meters?

[still hearth]

Wildfire 👀

[still hearth]

Iirc it's 21 m for Surge to lock on, but the lightning can jump further.

But that was old data, I haven't played in months

[wind spruce]

This is nice except you should swap the 5% TDR node for a +15 toughness node. Much better bang for your buck, especially considering TDR is multiplicative.

Also, what's tg pb?

[cosmic sigil]

Holy... I totally missed that! /facepalm

tg pb = toughness problem

[wind spruce]

I don't think I would've got that in a million guesses

[cosmic sigil]

i think that's because i use a mod to make the tree smaller and i thought that i could not reach that node

[cinder moon]

i mostly use them for when teammates are failing to kill whatever ranged unit my lightning can't reach

[cosmic sigil]

god i feel so stupid

[cosmic sigil]

what would you do with that point? i am all ears 😄

[wind spruce]

What blessings are on the revolver? You could potentially drop a second point to get true aim

[cosmic sigil]

surgical handcanno

[wind spruce]

Hmm yeah probably not worth

I'd just keep wildfire. It's not bad. When you play with the debuff indicator you can really tell the difference.

[still hearth]

5% movespeed is alright. Mettle would be good if you got enough crit but it doesn't seem like a crit build. But yeah, you don't got many great nodes to jump to.

Wildfire might be the best choice tbf

Even if I think the damage it adds is kind of wasted.

[cosmic sigil]

yeah mettle would be ok with a shred illisi

but i use an uncanny one with that build

i assume the +10% dmg on all sources from smite is not that good

[still hearth]

It's not imo

[cinder moon]

it stacks with wildfire/creeping flames

for horde clear assist, it makes a difference in quickly dispatching mixed hordes

[still hearth]

Well, that's one way you can use it, yeah. Though with an Illisi it feels a bit extra

[cinder moon]

illisi isn't for the kind of situations where that combo matters

locking down huge mixed hordes in auric/maelstrom so your teammates can safely (and quickly) deal with them

[still hearth]

These nerds need me to hold their hands??

[cinder moon]

it's just more for expediency

[jovial juniper]

The protocol demands it

[still hearth]

Other than like ragers, crushers or bulwarks it shouldn't really be necessary compared to just clearing my part. And even on those guys it needs to be specific situations for me to whip it out.

So I don't really care for it.

Other than EP Smite I only really use Smite to hold down enemies because there's too much going on, or someone got unlucky.

[cinder moon]

i do wish EP did more for smite

some peril cost reduction would be nice

[silver portal]

help what blessing to replace the punch one

[wind spruce]

Uncanny strike

[dusk void]

The director needs to play auric missions to understand our pain and suffering and his unfair spawns

[cosmic sigil]

Perks are bad :

[wind plover]

Wasn't the spawns lowered for like a week but y'all complained and they hotfixed it?

[wind spruce]

Auric damn and half the maelstrom modifiers are not hard enough

I have no idea why people complain about unfair spawns

[upper galleon]

palying auric is literally meant for "unfair spawns"

IT WAS LITERALLY MADE so they top players would always have access to hi-int or higher maps

[paper lily]

you are left clicking hordes?

[cosmic sigil]

it's harder to find people to play with than playing the mission itself

(at least in oce, when i want to play)

[cinder moon]

no, what made you think that

[paper lily]

you mentioned the 10% smite talent

[cinder moon]

what does that have to do with left click

[paper lily]

it doesn't work on the right click

so i assumed you were left clicking hordes

[cinder moon]

how does it not work on right

[paper lily]

it just doesn't

[cinder moon]

[paper lily]

go install debuff indicator and check for yourself

[wind spruce]

Haha that's so true. Is OCE Oceania... east?

[wind spruce]

It does work on rights

I've tested it

Idc if there's a debuff listed or not, the damage goes up by 10%, atleast for smite itself

Although that does make me think I need to test it with non-smite damage. Shouldn't be difficult, just gotta use soulblaze

[paper lily]

better to use powerdi where it will reflect real damage values

in fact powerdi will show you if you did in fact apply said debuff to the enemy

[wind spruce]

I haven't used power di since it was in beta because it was causing lag

But ill try it

Regardless, I have a video that I posted here showing smite damage going from 16 per tick to 18.6 per tick when enfeeble is enabled

[cosmic sigil]

I am in New Caledonia so yeah i play with whatever is available... NZ, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane...

I am probably having people from Perth sometime

[wind spruce]

#psyker-class message

@paper lily

We tested it with decimals on the healthbars later in the convo

[wind spruce]

We shall play together then, I'm melbourne

As you say it's tough to find team-mates atm

[paper lily]

weird, maybe it has two different effects

[wind spruce]

And borderline impossible in maelstrom

[wind spruce]

Wdym?

[paper lily]

for it to affect allied damage the enemy would likely need to be debuffed

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, i had to QP regular damn the last few days

I won't try Mael considering how hard it is to find good teamtes in Auric

and most of my premade is taking a break from DT

[cosmic sigil]

don't hesitate to add me on steam, my account is keet_seel

[mighty cipher]

Darktide reigns supreme over Helldivers because I can't get my head caved in by some guy for literally no reason

[still hearth]

With the right combo you can pretty much infinite a poxwalker horde so it's fine.

But it's not that good on small to medium hordes

[cinder moon]

i do like how smite gets better the more enemies there are lol

[still hearth]

It's neat. But the game actually doesn't have thick enough hordes for it to feel worth it to me that often

We need thiccer hordes

[cinder moon]

one reason i mostly play damn/auric

[still hearth]

Yeah I pretty much only play auric

[cinder moon]

playing malice/heresy with my newb friends is a snoozefest

[still hearth]

I say that but I also didn't play in a few months

[mighty cipher]

Did they mess with the director again? I swear the gunner/reaper count has quadrupled

[jovial juniper]

They even started spawning inside each other

[mighty cipher]

I went from getting teamkilled in helldivers to getting professionally Dick twisted by DT’s director.

[cosmic sigil]

the ambiant spawn has been fixed

but considering it has been broken before.... they could have broken something else trying to repair the first pb

[mighty cipher]

That’s usually how it goes

[cosmic sigil]

yeah

[torpid girder]

planned!!

[cinder moon]

gifted by him on terra just now

[plucky flax]

Find fake unsanctioned psyker.

[potent echo]

QP'd yesterday and could only find 2 other players, with the last one filling in at around 60% progress, but it was a weekday 1am game.

Cool to see they were level <100, means there are new(er) players having fun with DT

[wind spruce]

[cinder moon]

first time playing warren 6-19, what a great mission for smiting

great soundtrack, too

[onyx sentinel]

took 10 minutes waiting for a bloke to join the maelstrom lobby

about 5 minutes for director to spawn 3 monstrosities on our ass and end the run

[ivory path]

lol this pull

NO BRAKES

thats a white scars staff if ive ever seen one

[cinder moon]

shoo-wee, i'm envious

[near gale]

Gah, i'm playing some doom 2016 and I somehow triggered one of the hell knight spawns on the 3rd mission foundry, but, I got the blue keycard early due to a little bit of platforming that I figured out on my own the 1st time I did that mission... so there were no enemies, I went through the 2 blue doors, then went back through them again and got jumped scared by a sudden hell knight that I didn't hear until then

A ninja Hell Knight was not what I was expecting xD

I've never beaten doom 2016, but, I thought I would start over again

[untold niche]

i tot you can lower difficulty

[untold niche]

i don't even have a level 100 char

[near gale]

I mean I could play on I'm too young to die, but, that would be so boring... even with me having a lot of difficulty keeping track of the demons due to my brains poor ability to percieve visual info(or w/e it really is)... I still can't really bring myself to play on easy and expect any fun from it

[untold niche]

i think ego issue

have u tried it yet

if no try yet then ego issue

genuinely depend if you want to keep your ego or just have fun with the game
sometime for me, i keep my ego too. nothing wrong i feel, not affecting anyone

i don't touch r6 anymore because ego issue

[near gale]

I've tried easy before and it really wasn't even fun

I wasn't even in the mood for something really active, and I wanted something casual... but it still was boring even at that

[untold niche]

hnnn, idk i tried doom and i didn't like it
Normal difficulty too easy hard is too weird, supposed to melee alot but my hp gets chunked anyway

Not sure how its meant to be played i will say

just play shadow warrior

ez casual game, quite fun

[near gale]

I'm actually busy playing doom 2016's version of "The Imp Song" on repeat, instead of having the normal music because I really like the beat to it, and I can definitely explore and kill demons to that song

Normal is pretty easy, tbh

I'm somwhat tempted to turn it up to ultra violence, but, I don't think I am ready for that much excitement today.

[untold niche]

like the hard mode, i won't die but it just doesn't feel good being close to near death everytime

[near gale]

You mean uh nightmare

[untold niche]

don't know, i don't even know if my normal was the real normal or normal+1

been like 3 years

maybe if you watch gameplay of hardest difficulty you could see how its meant to be played

[near gale]

I'm not going to put my poor ability to see things against nightmare, unless I really just get a strong feeling to try

Doesn't matter with color blind mode or not... the stupid imps blend in so easily to the surroundings

[untold niche]

you could use reshade to alter the colours further

[near gale]

Maybe, but, I'm okay with playing the game like this

[untold niche]

i don't know how colour blindness works, but im sure you can make the spectrum that isn't as distinct to you have higher saturation so its easier to see

[near gale]

If anything it will help me get better at spotting things :/

[icy garnet]

i play on the max difficulty and idk what the fuck im doing to be honest

i just mash explosives

[untold niche]

i played finish the second real level then i stopped iirc, i really don't find it to be fun

[near gale]

Meanwhile on normal I forget I have a frag nade, until I accidentally hit the frag nade button when I am trying to crouch...

[icy garnet]

i like hard games

its fun in a way

[untold niche]

nah its not hard, its just unfun
i think hard and fun is separate for me
ds3 is hard but not fun
nioh 2 is hard and super fun

play nioh 2

[near gale]

I don't mind challenging games... I just am not out to make myself suffer. :/

[tired estuary]

Thats bc ds3 isn't fun

[icy garnet]

i like hard games that are fast to retry

[cinder moon]

if i want to play a hard game, i play something that's pvp and team based, because teammates are basically just extra enemies most of the time

[untold niche]

dats what i said
har but not fun :v

[icy garnet]

i keep hearing otherwise

[tired estuary]

(Its got sick mods tho)

[untold niche]

nioh 2 you can boss run once you get to last shrine

[icy garnet]

keep hearing ds3 is like one of the best dark souls

[untold niche]

because everyone circle jerking over how they completed elite gaming hard game

[junior linden]

ds3 good

[radiant frigate]

ds3 pretty good yes

when you fight the final boss and he hits you with the plin plin plon

🥹

[junior linden]

it's probably the weakest of the three in retrospect imo

[untold niche]

i tried it, finished third boss and just stopped playing
Meanwhile im regretting i don't hae enough time for nioh 2

[icy garnet]

i need to play ds3 one day

[untold niche]

nioh 2 is art

[cinder moon]

learn to dodge roll
learn super basic NPC attack patterns
learn which gear is best in slot
win

[icy garnet]

still gotta finish elden ring

[radiant frigate]

big fan of ds2

and ds2 2

[icy garnet]

im too mentally ill to not remake a save every 2 second

send help

[junior linden]

Hey thanks I needed more plasteel

[radiant frigate]

🪖

[icy garnet]

thanks

[radiant frigate]

you're welcome

[icy garnet]

just mash space until it works out

[junior linden]

elden ring is like if breath of the wild was a good game

[untold niche]

can't believeo nly sarah backing me up that ds3 not fun, and no one here appreciating nioh 2
smh

[tired estuary]

Ds2 is best for cultured jank appreciators

[radiant frigate]

haven't played nioh

[junior linden]

Oh no I love nioh 2 I'm just ignoring ds slander

[icy garnet]

never like totk or botw

[radiant frigate]

remember dinner rolls? i remember

[icy garnet]

liked*

[untold niche]

if you do play nioh 2, don't play it like ds3
its a meme that ds fans go to nioh 2 then complain its not un.

fun*

[radiant frigate]

remember the invincible havels? i remember

or the fliphavels of old?

[cinder moon]

last singleplayer game i played was trepang2, in which the harder difficulties consist of more and spongier enemies. was still fun, but adding difficulty by just cranking up health numbers gets old

[tired estuary]

Niih 1 is okay, nioh 2 great, wo long sadly kinda weak imo

[icy garnet]

i wanted to play sekiro but 60 buck for a game that isnt recent is absurd

shit is so so expensive

[untold niche]

I TAKE SUPER LONG WEAPON, I WAIT FOR ENEMY ATTACK. I DODGE ONCE, I ATTACK ONCE
HURRR GAME NOT FUN!!!!

[junior linden]

More like Sekino

[cinder moon]

i win 90% of my matches in hellish quart just by using a longsword 😂

[untold niche]

was supposed to be in reply to this ^

[icy garnet]

that sounds like every dark souls game if im gonna be honest

[untold niche]

exatly

exactly*

laptop ghosting smh

[icy garnet]

i dont mind it personally

[untold niche]

its not fun for me.

if you play nioh 2 like ds, you won't see the beauty of nioh2

[icy garnet]

just run mage and run away and spam spells

[cinder moon]

if you want to play a hard game, play world of warships. at high tier, winning a match in spite of your team is a genuine accomplishment

[icy garnet]

shrimple

[icy garnet]

world of warship sounds like the raid shadow legend of ship games

[radiant frigate]

this sounds like the least interesting thing to do

[icy garnet]

it is an alternative playstyle

[near gale]

I'm honestly interested in playing this run differently than I played my other run... so instead of taking a 2nd ammo I took 1 bonus health upgrade... and micro missiles instead of the sniper assault rifle, or w/e it is...

[cinder moon]

it's a wargaming title so it's arcadey and not as mind numbingly braindead as warthunder

[icy garnet]

pure mage is the builds for ppl that dont wanna play darksoul

[untold niche]

i don't even want to touch ds

[near gale]

I took the 1st upgrade for ammo, since I ain't fucking trying to play normal doom 2016 with 0 ammo upgrades x.x

[icy garnet]

been having fun with elden fing on my side

just waiting for my friends to get on cuz my main save is modded duo

i wish elden ring multiplier was good vanilla

[untold niche]

ER change any mechanics from ds3?

[near gale]

Oh, hey, it's the guy with the keycard I got earlier by applying a little bit of platforming and tomfoolery into doom 2016...

[icy garnet]

i dunno i never played ds3

[untold niche]

@near gale just google the way you should build upgrades

[icy garnet]

you can change skills on weapons

dunno if thats a thing in ds3

[near gale]

Fuck that, I play how I want. I've gotten far enough(in my last time I played the game) where I got the last ammo upgrade... I want to try something new

[icy garnet]

theres prob more build variety in elden ring

[near gale]

I might look up the secret locations, but, I am not going to make myself choose upgrades I don't feel like taking this time.

[untold niche]

okeh as long as u happ

[near gale]

I actually am just remembering where some of these secrets are, without even having to look them up... since the last time I played I got every secret in every level I beat

[radiant frigate]

yes, for example powerstancing is back, you can crouch (which also allows for roll attacks and sneakage), and you can jump
also, jump attacks are now from jumps rather than being forward heavies

[untold niche]

what power stancing mean

crouch and jump very cool

[radiant frigate]

dual wield movesets

[untold niche]

eh

[radiant frigate]

like ds2

probably my least favorite thing on this list

but, game still good

[near gale]

yeah, when you dual wield weapons and use both at the same time iirc

I don't even own elden ring, but, I've seen at least 2 or 3 playthroughs of it

[untold niche]

play nioh2

very cool

very fun

ultimate form of player expression

think only other game that come close is DMC

DMC is another thing by itself

[untold niche]

but also ^

[radiant frigate]

i only really liked dual wield in ds when it's borderline worthless/unusable

it does not sit right with me that it is OP in elden ring

[untold niche]

dual wield very cool thematically
so makes sense they make it good

[radiant frigate]

balder side sword + offhand zweihander jank mmy beloved

[cinder moon]

try out the half sword demo

[untold niche]

kat

you should accept my nioh2 shill and play nioh2

[near gale]

I love getting an early rocket launcher and plasma gun :3

[untold niche]

nioh2 makes you ultra cool gamur, cooler than reddit ds3 fan

[radiant frigate]

should i

[untold niche]

nioh2 like uh, discord contributor, very cool.
Ds3 like reddit user 🐭

nioh 2 in my top 3 game

imagin

if you have satisfaction of beating hard game

but hard game also fundamentally fun

[potent echo]

Nioh2 has a real combat system

[untold niche]

ye

[potent echo]

But you need to tangle with all their mechanics, or it's going to feel bad

[untold niche]

ye

very nice summary

[potent echo]

Like I've seen fextralife play high stance only vs the owl boss and it's so painful to watch lol

The dark souls roleplayer

[untold niche]

less biased and more objective compared to mine

[potent echo]

If you aren't fluxing and pressing 5 buttons within 0.5seconds to Regen stamina are you even playing nioh2

[untold niche]

pressing 5 buttons is more for hatchet users doing mgfws

[potent echo]

Yes

Team ninja new game coming out end of this month, I wonder if they are going to keep the stance system

[untold niche]

they have two new games right iirc

[potent echo]

Wolong is

[untold niche]

no, two new games announced after wolong

i don't remember the names though

[radiant frigate]

fextralife 🤢

[potent echo]

One is ronin, coming out this month on consoles only

[untold niche]

https://gamerant.com/team-ninja-next-game-rise-of-ronin/

[potent echo]

This is like last year

[untold niche]

im still waiting for some streamer to play nioh 2 properly and mock all the other streamers that played nioh2 like ds3 and call it unfun
then watch as the reddit nioh2 thread flood with echo chamber redditor

[untold niche]

i dumb dumb pls forgib

[potent echo]

Also it's some atelier mobile gacha game lmao

[near gale]

Isn't somewhere in the doom guy lore that the demons killed his pet bunny which triggered his soon to be a nigh infinite demon killing spree...?

[potent echo]

People who only play dark souls are so cringe, they keep saying that DS series games are hard (and by extension, how good they are for beating it)
Lol, lmao

[untold niche]

ya, one of the collectibles even

[untold niche]

i think its hard yeah, i don't think they cringe.
I only think they cringe if they try nioh 2 like ds3 then call it not fun

[potent echo]

Also they compare everything to dark souls

[near gale]

Dark Souls is more or less a game of either outlasting the times you make mistakes or just learning the boss patterns n such...

[untold niche]

not everybody, not good to generalize

[potent echo]

Did you press circle at the correct time, no? Then try again 🤷‍♂️

[near gale]

It's like that, but, without a quick time event thingy yeah lol

[untold niche]

nioh 2 has tigher dodges
Gui have you seen someone tonfa dodge all the wind strikes of that late game bird guy that jumps around, resist to all elements

[potent echo]

On the other hand sekiro is the antithesis, where offense is rewarded, even defense is largely proactive

[near gale]

the 3 imps spawned after the long drawn out thing where you see Olivia... and I was like "You know what? Fuck you Imps" and I fired my bigger aoe shotgun's explosive shot and they all died instantly lol

[untold niche]

i see sekiro just very parry heavy right?
people say quite fun
But i don't think theres any combos or special mechanics

[potent echo]

I haven't really explored tonfas, there's too much tech in that game lol

[untold niche]

i like tonfa because ki damage is insane

ez weapon

[near gale]

Man, having the original doom's music playing while you are constantly scouring the map for the secrets makes it feel a lot less tedious, hehe

[untold niche]

i used to use scythe

[potent echo]

Oh yea light has like some crazy kick combo lol

[untold niche]

scythe has a good execution skill floor
you also have the medium to heavy skill (usually done for cyclone) switch tech

[near gale]

The first time I did the foundry I failed 1 challenge and that was getting the 3 zombie guys in 1 barrel explosion...

[potent echo]

Scythe you mean kusurigama?

[untold niche]

no

wait

wrong reply

[untold niche]

no

switch glaive

if you don't flux / stance switch attack properly it becomes the other one

i had to take notes for that lol

basically if you wanted to flux, you must press ki pulse THEN stance
If you wanted to SAA you should only do it out of flux window because it might becomea flux

[potent echo]

Oh that one, the new weapon, I think I just do low switch to back off

[near gale]

So far the top most dangerous thing that kills me in Doom 2016 is... pits... :/

[untold niche]

you could continue strings with stance switch attack very cool
End game you should have enough stamina to do so

i don't have time so i can't pick up the game again, i only finished first run and played abit of second run

are you on fifth run?

[potent echo]

No I stop during third

I just don't feel like it's worth grinding "singleplayer" games

The multiplayer is decent but the game isn't really made for it lol

[pine carbon]

fixable?

[mental grail]

Buddy.

[junior linden]

had an absolutely embarassing run in auric mael just now. please kill me.

[cinder moon]

sending the black ships to your location now, sibling

[ivory path]

I'll administer the Emperor's mercy

[junior linden]

thank you. I deserve the emeperor's mercy.

embarassed myself in front of 3 level 300s

[ivory path]

I dragged along by a lvl 3100 earlier

it was surreal

[cinder moon]

i had a sibling go down like 6 times during a regular damn warren 6-19, they were using assail/surge/shield

eventually they left

[upper sun]

one went down 5 times on a regular game went alot better when we stopped rescuing him

"assail doesnt do much boss damage please use melee or ranged"

"nuh uh"

[pine carbon]

[untold niche]

each run got new mechanic, but i think you know too

one of the runs make dark realm harder iirc

[untold niche]

jus tkick him

no reward for him,

[cinder moon]

i've occasionally let all 3 of my teammates die before when they're not keeping up during objectives/encounters, they can watch me and learn how to kite and proper target prioritization

when the no wound curio psyker clutches, they know they messed up

only really a problem during karnak twins, yesterday i spent 5 minutes kiting mixed horde and one of the twins during the last temp encounter after they all fucking died to poxwalkers, only for them to crumble in the final encounter

[upper sun]

nah at least he was trying

one other game i had two vets neither of which had survivalist and they kept stealing my ammo

i really thought about leaving while all three needed rescuing

[untold niche]

dats something i would do on vet

[cinder moon]

you cad

[untold niche]

but usually its because

the

habit

like i don't want to take

it

its just i see

then i press E

you know

i will be like ah shit

[upper sun]

they also double/tripple tapped two ammo crates

[cinder moon]

only acceptable when there's a field improv vet and it's an ogryn with a nuke, and nobody needs ammo

[dim parrot]

I wish knifes wouldn't cost ammo, but grenades or something

[upper sun]

it was low inten t5 so wasnt too hard

[cinder moon]

had a field improv vet/nuke ogryn on my team yesterday, it was glorious watching the hefty associate throw 4 nukes in quick succession

[dusk void]

Last night, had a smooth run on an auric mission w/ 3 psykers and one vet 😊

And I even defeated a monstrosity w/ only my chainsword

[cinder moon]

if you had a full zap psyker, it might've been me

had an auric run where i remember someone dealing with the monstrosity with their melee while i was doing CC

[near gale]

Aw man... I was too late to save him... He went and even went 2 dimentional, because I took so long scouring the previous maps for all the secrets...

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-25701972

[cinder moon]

i know people run low graphics configs to get high FPS but isn't that going overboard?

[near gale]

(That's a classic doom secret room in case you don't know, so it looks that way on purpose)

[cinder moon]

(just ribbing, sibling)

[near gale]

Erm I mean, of course... You know how much of a... uh... what the word...

You know just how cheap I am

with all of those gray weapons I take to auric damnation

[cinder moon]

you cad

[mental grail]

For fucks sake

[near gale]

And I also make sure to unequip my keystone, uh, and um... do a hybrid build that gives me no real toughness bonuses... while bringing all stamina curios

[mental grail]

Dickhead random ruined my flawless downed streak

[near gale]

so that I can't be picked up more, like I could with wound curios...

[cinder moon]

going for the indefatigable portrait frame?

[mental grail]

I join in as the last non bot standing surrounded by crushers

Yeah

[near gale]

Honestly it might be fun to do that and do a heresy run with a group of friends doing the same thing...

[mental grail]

I'm so goddamn close

[cinder moon]

sorry man

i know how it feels, though

i got that portrait frame like 2 months after early access release, it was a nightmare

[rigid sky]

I think a group of people from here tried to do a level 1 Auric Maelstrom run a couple of weeks ago

idk how it worked out for them

[near gale]

Where you can't practically taste it? If it were a food? <.<

[cinder moon]

i got to 13/15 like, 3 times in a row

hot drop ruined one streak, dumbass teammates ruined the other two. one of those was a teammate who kept fucking hitting barrels and blew me off the map

[near gale]

Okay I know Lazorr and whoever else was with him did a all gray weapons, no talents, no curios(I think they all just put on green wound curios) on damnation and beat it iirc

That's a hell of a challenge to complete, tbh <.<

[mental grail]

I got blow off the map for no goddamn reason lol it pissed me off

[upper sun]

i was 14/15

but i was so fucking tired

i below myself off the map with a berrel

its a lot easier to do on zealot because you're legit unkillable

[cinder moon]

that's what i did it with, but early access was rough overall

[icy garnet]

it sounds fine to do on ogryn

[cinder moon]

i've definitely gone 15+ missions without going down on psyker in recent times

[upper sun]

zealot has far more mobility than ogryn

and the 5 sec immunity is great for being extra safe

[icy garnet]

fair enough

i like ogryn cuz of the crazy regen

[spice veldt]

i got it on zealot just playing normally on damn just today

[icy garnet]

and shield

[spice veldt]

zealot is p nice

[icy garnet]

i love the shield

[upper sun]

i cant play ogryn i feel like a child wearing size 55 combat boots

just stomping around like an idiot