psyker-class

[rigid sky]

Genuinely yeah

[spark swallow]

I'm using columnus(?) forgot the blessings, its the one with damage increase and range attack invulnerability for 1 second on close kill

[rigid sky]

Scrier's Gaze and Disrupt Destiny basically break reality

[untold niche]

i saw bro kill mauler in less than half a sec with ciag

[worn beacon]

I need to know more about CIAG for gunker

[onyx sentinel]

any no ammo pickup maelstrom you'll always hit 1 mil damage because the vets are stuck with powerswords lmao

[spice veldt]

i prob wouldn't shoot crushers but crits give a nice bump to CiAG's adms

[worn beacon]

Scrier's Gaze + Disrupt Destiny = Manifest Destiny

[untold niche]

hmmm, arco would it make sense to horde clear with the ciag as well? (alongside assail)
i never played gunker so i don't know if what i say is stoopid

[spark swallow]

ah, so I'm doing it right for quite a while now. thats what I rely on but, bullets man. it gets scarcer with randoms racing for them

[spice veldt]

if you want to though i'm generally paranoid about burning through ammo, as plentiful as it may be

if you're on the looting grindset, you can certainly afford that

[rigid sky]

Assail man

[untold niche]

gunker also has no VS so kinda sad.

[spice veldt]

i usually just farm true aim stacks with DS and throw shards once i have 5 stacks

[rigid sky]

For the majority of your fighting, Assail is great

[spark swallow]

yeah thats what I'm running on as well, drain assail as much as possible rather than use bullets. Only pull them out against special targets

[rigid sky]

The gun comes out for when you can't wait for the travel time or the recharge, or for when SG gets too unstable

After about 15-20s you can't safely Assail more

[untold niche]

oh yeah i don't know if you know but sometimes its not good to shoot asail from too far away due to limited uptime.

[rigid sky]

So the gun comes out and everybody fucking dies

[spice veldt]

and make sure to wildly swipe your mouse around when shards are in the air for maximum gaming

[spark swallow]

its pretty good if you aim for your target. it does hit far.

[rigid sky]

Basically gunker is about edging

For a more explosive release

[jovial juniper]

It tracks until it hits

[untold niche]

yeah but it can only pen like 1 guy frm what i understand
like lets say at close range it can pen 3(? don't know max pen)
but far range can only pen 1 because after you pen 1 the projectile dies.

[spice veldt]

though there is an extra target it can hit (and another with ethereal shards)

so swiping your mouse is unironically an optimal strat to ensure lock-ons

[onyx sentinel]

I don't run gunker but is it even worth it to run assail over losing psykinetik aura

[rigid sky]

I mean I'm weird and I even take mind in motion deliberately

[onyx sentinel]

especially at histg/maelstrom

[rigid sky]

So I can edge for longer

[rigid sky]

Well yes, it is

Assail is so strong

[spice veldt]

in terms of performance yeah I'd say it's worth it

[rigid sky]

It is balanced out by not having access to Psychinetic's Aura

[untold niche]

whats psykinetik aura

[spice veldt]

in terms of not letting my brain rot, i am definitely taking assail over the other two blitzes

+5% cdr on elite/special kill

[spark swallow]

I don't take mind in motion anymore, I tool the other one to boost its damage, normally I max out the stack by melee kills

[rigid sky]

Group CDR on elite/special kill

[untold niche]

but that one is so cool tho :(
lets me spam my vs

[rigid sky]

I take both :)

[onyx sentinel]

if you take aura can't you just have perma scrier's and never even use your blitz

[rigid sky]

Nope

[spark swallow]

nope

[untold niche]

cd starts after the thing ends

[rigid sky]

It doesn't start to regenerate until it falls off

[onyx sentinel]

womp womp

[rigid sky]

It isn't Executioners Stance

Sadly

[untold niche]

also, warp charges doesn't work on gaze for idk how long, i actually don't.

[rigid sky]

Also Assail does crazy damage with SG and DD

[untold niche]

since the dawn of when the latter got added?

[rigid sky]

You can one-shot gunners with it

[untold niche]

since p13?

[spark swallow]

as far as testing, I felt like it does, the build up is slower(?)

[untold niche]

no i mean the CDR

[spark swallow]

I only started using gunker when the twins came out

[rigid sky]

Assail and Disrupt Destiny are made for each other

[untold niche]

warp cahrges give you cdr on your ability right.
doesn't work for gaze

[rigid sky]

Especially in random teams

Where brain rupture is a "shoot this guy" ping

[untold niche]

no my VS and DD is made for each other
can't shoot guy through wall? just VS
ez buff restock

[spark swallow]

I never noticed this one honestly

[quaint fiber]

They are?

I thought the empowered whatever works alot better

[tired estuary]

yes, dd helps assail reach breakpoints and assail rmb is v good for tapping blue people

[quaint fiber]

If you're using assail as a crowd control tool

[spark swallow]

head shot with Assail and Disrupt Destiny does magic

[untold niche]

if you can condition your team to do that then thats good
imagine you just never actually do your brain rupture
so they are just attacking on your command.

[rigid sky]

Assail under DD does more damage than under EP

Iirc

[quaint fiber]

DD was the one that requires you specifically to kill the enemy right?

[rigid sky]

And Assail helps you to maintain DD

[rigid sky]

Yep

[quaint fiber]

Yeah that's why I don't really like it

It's super inconsistent depending on your team

[rigid sky]

I didn't at first

[untold niche]

wouldn't the gun do the same tho :v

[rigid sky]

The trick is to take the 30s duration

[spark swallow]

gotta say, "same".
I never liked DD and SG back then. Until I was forced to use guns.

[rigid sky]

Yes but it helps to have an option that doesn't drain your mag

[tired estuary]

nah even if people steal your blue guys there will always be others except certain scenarios and loading elevators

[untold niche]

take 30 and the +3 on weakpoint, once you hit max stacks, you only need to refres hit 30 seconds
REFRESH. meaning you just need to damage them.
So every ~15 seconds, find your blue target and send him a kiss and buff restocked

[rigid sky]

But take the 30s duration and don't worry about it falling off sometimes

[untold niche]

don't need to drain mag on max stacks tho

[spark swallow]

^ I wasn't doing great against the twins with staves back then

[tired estuary]

and the big secret is even if you lose stacks it doesn't matter b/c it doesn't take long to build them back up

[rigid sky]

It does happen

And it is fine

Just try to not let it happen if you can

[untold niche]

so tbh yur target priortisation doesn't get fucked at all.

[quaint fiber]

If I can even damage them @_@ although thats alot easier on damnation and auric where there's actually enough for the veteran or ogryn not to immediately remove

[untold niche]

idk i run void and even then its pretty easy

void isn't hitscan.

[tired estuary]

I mean assail is high dmg rmb and crowd clear lmb so if there's a blue guy somewhere on your screen it'll be easy to kill unless its like a mauler lol

[rigid sky]

DD is for Void and Guns both imo.

[tired estuary]

then just shoot/stab him v hard

[radiant frigate]

disrupt destiny is clearly for melee

[tired estuary]

yeah like don't take assail for dd if you're running void

[untold niche]

yeah im just saying its easier to do it on guns since its hitscan

[spark swallow]

A poke in the eye is always the solution for maulers tho

[radiant frigate]

[rigid sky]

Why not

[quaint fiber]

Yeah that's why I prefer empowered because half the time I'm using it to cleave through hordes from afar and when there's smth that can't be assailed easily the revolver comes out

[rigid sky]

Blitz matters less on Void than the others tbh

But if your target is hiding or moving laterally

[untold niche]

i mean i never use my blitz, but why would you take assail when you have void

[rigid sky]

Assail can tag them easily enough

[tired estuary]

they got a lot of overlap and you can just take single point of smite for point economy + more flexibility in tree

[rigid sky]

That is valid

[quaint fiber]

I like guns

[tired estuary]

in case you want cdr aura

[untold niche]

void shoots through covers, and if they move just aim

[rigid sky]

Smite is the other option I would go with

[worn beacon]

I took smite on DD gunker because smite helps in some situations

[rigid sky]

And you take Venting Shriek with Void too

[untold niche]

anyway yu play about 1-2 week with DD and you will get used to it

[tired estuary]

on void build you can ptake smite and entirely ignore it

[rigid sky]

To let you fight in width as well as in depth

I guess Assail is mostly a skill issue mitigator for Void

Like training wheels

[tired estuary]

I hate smite on gunker lol, assail is just too good to deal with certain bullshit like rager storm or problem specialists behind mobs + it's fun to weave in between melee/shooting

but ofc you do you

unless you're dying a bunch then fix smth

[rigid sky]

Gunker is high skill floor

If you are dying, you are learning

[radiant frigate]

you mean, low skill floor

[rigid sky]

Not if you fully commit to it with SG

[untold niche]

i feel if you are going to use assail on void might as well just use an actual assail build (like gunker)

[radiant frigate]

so it becomes easier if you commit to it? am i getting this right

compared to what, half-assing it?

[rigid sky]

High skill floor meaning it's difficult to be doing well enough to not die

[radiant frigate]

that is the opposite of what high skill floor means

[rigid sky]

No it isn't?

[worn beacon]

Rager storm feels not so threatening when Uncanny Strike + dmg buffs exist tbf

[rigid sky]

Floor is the minimum you need to do to do well

If the floor is low then it's easy to reach

If the floor is high then it's hard to reach

That's how I always understood the metaphor?

[radiant frigate]

the floor is not the requirement though

the floor is the bottom of where you can be

[tired estuary]

when there's a mixed mob of them up in your shit like hab dreyko its pretty nice to just completely shut them down instead of risking chip dmg tho

[radiant frigate]

you do not start in the basement

[rigid sky]

Nah, it's the bottom acceptable level

[halcyon creek]

What you’re thinking of is “the output at low skill”

[worn beacon]

Yes, floor is bottom acceptable level of skill

[stuck yew]

It is.
Like ur not pulling smth out if u don't have enough skill
Ceiling as opposed is a max possible

[worn beacon]

So basically a requirement

[worn beacon]

Yes you do, did you play the binding of isaac

[radiant frigate]

the voices are loud today

and no i did not

[halcyon creek]

If “the output at low skill” is below the amount required to kill efficiently, then the “skill floor” is high, higher than the “output at low skill”

That is to say, you need a higher skill to perform at the required output

[jovial juniper]

I played and DD is not for me

[radiant frigate]

learned something new today

always understood skill floor as "output at minimum input" as opposed to the ceiling being "output at maximum input"

evidently i stand corrected

[rigid sky]

I mean I get the logic of how you were looking at it Kat

Ultimately it's just a metaphor anyway

[radiant frigate]

i do not particularly like admitting i was wrong, but

i was wrong

[untold niche]

for me skill floor is:
understanding the game / thing and being able to do average or appear to be able to do average

well maybe slightly under average but people can see you are getting there.

[halcyon creek]

I always imagine a graph of “damage output” vs “skill input”

Not to scale, of course

There’s some minimum level of damage that’s going to be useful in the game. We’re interested in the amount of skill needed to generate that level of damage

For this example, the red weapon has a high skill floor, because it needs a lot of skill to perform at the blue minimum acceptable damage

That breakpoint in the green weapon means it has a lower skill floor than the red weapon. But at that particular skill, the green weapon actually does more damage than the red one

(The red weapon has a higher “skill ceiling”, because at 100% perfect skill, it does more damage than the green one.)

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk

[cinder moon]

go laspistol with warpcharge/kinetic flayer, you basically just go pew pew pew and everything dies

plus you have brain burst for stuff on which you don't want to waste ammo

[tired estuary]

no thanks I'd rather not touch kinetic flayer

[cinder moon]

it's literally free warp charges

randomly popping specials is a nice treat but not the main point

my laspistol gunker uses bubble + illisi for horde clear and quelling

it's really fun watching monstrosities melt at 6wc

[weary crane]

Does sanctuary replenish your toughness aswell?

[rigid sky]

Not any more really

Used to be when brain burst kills gave warp charges off anything

But we get warp charges now only from elite/special kills, from the 4% chance of all kills in coherency, or 10% from kills involving soulblaze

[cinder moon]

yeah, the secret is wildfire; pop specials with the laspistol

[jovial juniper]

10% a second

[rigid sky]

Wildfire sucks now lol

[cinder moon]

not really

[rigid sky]

I mean always did

Yeah really

[cinder moon]

it's just there for getting free wc on this build

wildfire is actually really good paired with EP smite

[weary crane]

Hmmm, not sure what to do on my build then

Which one is better

[jovial juniper]

Personally, I like the enervating one

Stops muties, dogs, trappers, bombers

Bursters

And, of course, projectiles shot at it

[weary crane]

Yeah, but doesnt replenish toughness, thats why I essence harvest for that one

The second stored shield doesnt work that well with warp siphon

[jovial juniper]

I mean, you have soul stealer and mettle

[weary crane]

Oh this is with purgatus btw

[weary crane]

Me too, but when there is a horde of muties the shield breaks quick

[jovial juniper]

And hunting grounds

[weary crane]

What's the actual benefit to the double shield, if you calculate when to place them correctly then you can deploy just as many

[jovial juniper]

If you dodge a mutie while inside the dome, it'll hit the dome

[cinder moon]

wildfire smite best for hunting grounds

[upper sun]

this convinced me

[weary crane]

My original build was heavily on smite, it's so easily to use an effective

[cinder moon]

i have way too much fun with the UNLIMITED POWERRRR

[wind spruce]

There's no evidence here that wildfire is what is putting in work relative to CF and PC

[untold niche]

smite abuse? disgustang

[weary crane]

I had empowered blitz and shriek so I could hold it for very long

[cinder moon]

between wildfire and venting shriek soublaze stacks, it's doing work

[weary crane]

Wait how did your ability regen so quick?

[wind spruce]

There's still no evidence to that notion

[cinder moon]

one of the nodes gives ability CD on kill, i forget

[near wyvern]

Yes if you have resonance and EP active. Otherwise revolvers, plasma vets and helbore vets will out speed you.

[cinder moon]

psykinetic's aura

all those specials and elites getting smited = free shriek

[weary crane]

Only worked because the hounds were weak though right?

[cinder moon]

hunting grounds makes that sort of thing a lot easier because hounds are weak, but it's still possible in histg

that build is my "brain off" build because casting and quelling both give toughness. i got abandoned during a histg damnation carnival run this morning and carried the 3 bots while taking zero health damage until 3 more players joined 75% of the way through the match

[near wyvern]

Ehh, EP on smite. You can do the same with warp siphons without having to sweat on not wasting a charge. It's also a lot easier to get the infinite going with that outside of dog waves.

[cinder moon]

i don't like wc smite because using shriek dumps them

getting EP stacks back is trivial, and they're not time limited

[near wyvern]

Yes but using Shreik applies +6 stacks of blaze

[cinder moon]

it doesn't jive with me since that build is full lightning

[near wyvern]

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

Every time you shout it increases the damage

Until they are dead ofc

[rigid sky]

Infinite ammo blitz vs gun though

[jovial juniper]

You have more options

[rigid sky]

I would expect them to outspeed me

Wouldn't be fair otherwise

[near wyvern]

The thing is, if you use a quick LMB puff to interrupt a special you drop a stack. If you don't want to do that you might let a netter fire their net, a bomber throw their bomb, which can result in a player going down.

[cinder moon]

i usually just zap them with the staff

[near wyvern]

Sometimes too slow, smite LMB is pretty much instant

If you just tap it

[cinder moon]

still have to switch to it

[near wyvern]

Which is almost instant

[cinder moon]

lmb also doesn't immediately stun

[near wyvern]

Psyker life is juggling between your weapons, that's why we have faster swap time

[cinder moon]

i've had lmb let me down with trappers or whatever ignoring the ramp up and still doing their thing

[near wyvern]

No but it does immediately interrupt and force flamers, netters, bombers and dogs into the 'collect your gear' animation

[cinder moon]

i just keep the staff out 90% of the time

it works

[jovial juniper]

I keep the blitz out

Switch to melee every now and then

[cinder moon]

i almost never use melee unless i need to deflect the gunners my vet is ignoring

[edgy hatch]

Isn't staff LMB better to do a quick stun than Smite's?

Except for Purgatus

[cinder moon]

yeah

if you can aim

[rigid sky]

Don't have to call me out like that:(

[cinder moon]

luckily spamming lmb staff is pretty cheap on peril

[edgy hatch]

And specials tend to be pretty close to the team so theyre usually easy to hit

Except for snipers, but theyre not that important to stun anyway

[rigid sky]

I do like randomly killing things with LMBs though

Feels like cheating

Like they look surprised that i can do that too

[edgy hatch]

Ive been bonking people lately

Completely useless but completely funny

[rigid sky]

Slaanesh approves

Which makes you a heretic

[edgy hatch]

[cinder moon]

the staff melee is actually really funny

[edgy hatch]

Im not even sure if it staggers

[cinder moon]

it staggers chaff for sure

[rigid sky]

"Even hand to hand I am dangerous!" -Edwin Odesserion

[edgy hatch]

I think i staggered a crusher once but im not sure if it was me

[cinder moon]

when i play with my newb friend in malice (because he lacks gamesense and is still learning) i often use the staff melee to play with dogs

[supple sedge]

Ulgo also train lil one to play. They lack spacial awareness

[cinder moon]

this friend of mine lacks awareness in general

[supple sedge]

Yes. Ulgo say not go toward dog. Turn around looks at dog asks.
Is this dog?

[cinder moon]

playing star citizen with him, going to do bunkers, he fucking jumps out of my ship as i'm landing and nearly gets himself run over with the landing gear or knocked over by the thrusters, doesn't say shit about what he's doing except to talk nonsense

does everything possible to make his own experience worse

[supple sedge]

Sometime Ulgo think lil un not know how to use class. Is sparkhead but never use power

Only melee weapon. They not use TALENT POINTS

[cinder moon]

luckily this friend of mine only plays ogryn and is basically an ogryn in terms of mental capacity as it relates to gaming

no offense, hefty associate

[weary crane]

Places down shield
Ogryn runs straight through it

[cinder moon]

watching him magdump ripper gun without ever bracing it was actually painful to witness

[supple sedge]

Skull crusher. Sometimes

[supple sedge]

He... what

[cinder moon]

i told you

[supple sedge]

[cinder moon]

i'll give him advice on what to do and he just ignores it

does the same thing over and over even if it doesn't work

[supple sedge]

Ulgo think they need special help

[cinder moon]

he does much better with stubbers

[radiant frigate]

hm, have to say

surge with assail is not half bad

it's like just running voidstrike

but with two slots

[supple sedge]

No kidding

Is machine gun

[weary crane]

Isn't this your cousin ulgo?

[supple sedge]

Ulgo stop everytime Ulgo see dead pal

Is sad to see

[rigid sky]

Don't be sad

They are with The Emperor now

[supple sedge]

Ulgo knows... wish Ulgo was there to help pals out

How are pals with emperor? Ulgo never ask before

[cinder moon]

our hefty associates go to the great mess hall in the empyrean, over which him on terra presides

[supple sedge]

They go to Emperor lunch table?

[radiant frigate]

Yes.

[cinder moon]

aye, sweet brute. rations forever

[supple sedge]

Lucky Ogryns... when Ulgo die he meet emperor at lunch table?

[cinder moon]

he sits at the head of the table

you may be so lucky as to sit next to him

[supple sedge]

Ulgo want to tell emperor lotsa stories!

[rigid sky]

Tbh if any of us deserves to sit next to Jimmy himself, it's Ulgo

[supple sedge]

Who is jimmy?

Is jimmy emperor pal?

[rigid sky]

Jimmy Space

[supple sedge]

Ulgo like jimmy

[rigid sky]

Inventor of the Space Marines

https://youtu.be/LhspXkE8wVQ?si=KlA3YMTGZJAxSzWY

[supple sedge]

Ooohh! So best pal of Emperor?

Ulgo like jimmy

[rigid sky]

I don't care if it isn't official, for me it is

[stone totem]

Why did FatShark intentionally make the 5-headshot perk not proc on brain bursts

me when I design a tree to be anti-synergistic with itself

[radiant frigate]

brain burst is incapable of crits

that is why

[stone totem]

Lame

[rigid sky]

Tbf it's in a separate branch of the tree

They generally try to make each subclass workable in isolation

It's OK to have nonsynergies

[stone totem]

It's close to EP, which is practically a requirement for using brain burst decently

[rigid sky]

I mean that part is true

EP is definitely better for BR than the others at least

[stone totem]

I don't see why make a "tree" instead of strict subclasses if they don't want things to mingle, I don't believe that was their thought process

[spice veldt]

brainburst having a 1x weakspot multiplier so it can't even benefit from the +weakspot damage from DD

[rigid sky]

You can use it without but it does feel sad

Well they do want things to mingle

Not every combo has to work though

[spice veldt]

it's just an oversight and a general problem with them tying crits and weakspots together

crits and weakspots being tied together this much really needs to be shot in the kneecaps

[rigid sky]

You know an even worse combo?

[stone totem]

That's a bizarre defence for something intentionally making a mid ability have even less potential than it does

[rigid sky]

Inner tranquility and Venting Shriek

[spice veldt]

i didn't think i was defending them

[stone totem]

Not you Arco

[spice veldt]

at least to me, it's pretty clear incompetence

o

[rigid sky]

I kinda am

True aim has no synergy with lots of Psyker shit though

Smite

[stone totem]

I don't see the point in not letting them be tied together, your defence of them is pretty much "Just cuz"

[rigid sky]

Surge staff

Purgatus

Trauma

That's basically it I guess but that's still a big chunk of gameplay

[stone totem]

You know that's not a very good point, considering that means more reason to let it mingle with BB, right?

[spice veldt]

crits themselves have too much with them, and a lot of things in this game is not balanced around deterministic crit sources

weapons tending to have the same weakspot and crit dmg multipliers

[stone totem]

That's true, but I do think BB should get the pass considering the zealot tree is much more player-friendly

[spice veldt]

i consider zealot's tree to be on the more braindead side of things so i don't want to set that as my standard

[rigid sky]

Psyker feels more player friendly than most to me?

[spice veldt]

BB should get some neat stuff but it shouldn't have to do with crits

[rigid sky]

Vet and Ogryn have more awkwardness

[stone totem]

I think one crit per five BBs is perfectly fine

[rigid sky]

Actually I kinda like the idea of BR critting

[stone totem]

That's a LOT of investment for one crit

[spice veldt]

one of the more egregious parts of zealot to me is the design of its keystones since they all virtually require no particular interactivity

[rigid sky]

Maybe enough to push it over a minor breakpoint

Like make it 2-shot a Reaper instead of 3

[spice veldt]

sure, though you can just farm true aim stacks with other weapons

and i really do not want true aim to keep the "guaranteed crit on x weakspot hits" thing

[rigid sky]

Works for Voidstrike and Assail

[stone totem]

Good, BB NEEDS the spotlight

[radiant frigate]

zealot keystones be like
crit more
hit hard when low health (and running wound curios)
hit hard when you run/dodge

[stone totem]

It's been garbage to mid at best since LAUNCH

[spice veldt]

we really should just kill the idea of linking crits and weakspots together

[rigid sky]

BR is great now imo

[radiant frigate]

why not

[spice veldt]

sure, so it should get improvements in other and more interesting ways

[radiant frigate]

i feel it would get a little too spicy if it was "on kill" instead

[sullen sphinx]

Stack BR with EP and mow down gunners

[rigid sky]

It is fine out of the box if you just need a reliable long range and anti-armour attack

[spice veldt]

it's not the condition that i have a problem with

it's the fact that it's bonus related to crit

[rigid sky]

And it's actually really strong with EP and its speedy modifier node

[spice veldt]

crits and weakspots should be untethered

[stone totem]

I can agree, but unless they want to rework lotsa stuff just for BB, making true aim work with it is a fine placeholder buff for now

[spice veldt]

and crits should be left as an RNG mechanic

[rigid sky]

It kills an elite/special every 1.3s I think?

And you can precook it

It tracks if you can land the crosshair on the target for a single frame

[radiant frigate]

i think that would kind of ruin my voidstrike surge setup

[rigid sky]

It staggers before it even does the damage

It's really strong now

You just can't use it as a primary like you can with Assail

And that's a problem with Assail

[spice veldt]

though it is the voidstrike

[rigid sky]

What class can use a Blitz as a primary, apart from with Assail?

[upper sun]

vet

[rigid sky]

(And don't say Smite or I'm calling the commissar)

[sullen sphinx]

Smite Psykers

[rigid sky]

COMMISSAR

[radiant frigate]

smite psykers make me very sad and also confused

confused because sometimes they still do solid damage

[rigid sky]

OK Vet if you do the funky keystoneless grenadier build

[sullen sphinx]

Funny enough with enough resistance you can spread Smite enough for it to deal damage to the whole horde, so maybe that's why

[stone totem]

Maybe that node that increases enemy damage taken counts it as their damage?

[rigid sky]

Which I still have to try because it looks fun as fuck

[upper sun]

the ideal team comp is 2 smite psykers 1 truama psyker and a zealot with a hammer who only spawns if theres a boss

[radiant frigate]

is that a fact

[stone totem]

Not at all, just a guess

[radiant frigate]

hammer vet new meta

[rigid sky]

Vet with a hammer?

Heretic

[upper sun]

i was looking at your post when i was typing 😭

[radiant frigate]

thumder hmamer does just kind of slap bosses into oblivion

[rigid sky]

I'm still trying to make a good Crucis

Looks fun as fuck

[radiant frigate]

XV eviscerator also kind of does

[rigid sky]

But I am terrible with it

[radiant frigate]

i haven't really been playing zealot

[rigid sky]

And my hammer is also terrible

[radiant frigate]

i get really confused when i have ragers in melee and i can't stagger them

i just go Huh?

and die

[rigid sky]

I prefer more agile Zealots mostly

[upper sun]

i got lucky with it and got a good one on my first roll

[rigid sky]

Indiana Jones them

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bring-it-on-indiana-jones-and-the-raiders-of-the-lost-ark-sword-tricks-come-at-me-gif-21873021

this gif is a scam

no gun

[rigid sky]

https://images.app.goo.gl/fPUCnFd7F7zQREDH9

[radiant frigate]

yes thank you

[rigid sky]

Tease+denial variant

[radiant frigate]

i guess the bigger problem is that i have a habit of engaging ragers in melee because i know i can stagger them

(thank you force and power swords)

[rigid sky]

I think some weapons can

Like combat axe special

[radiant frigate]

yeah but that would be just one at a time

(and i would be using a combat axe which makes me feel very strange)

i tried it, and i can say that it felt.. reliable? but like, not good?

idk if i would have done better with power sword

maybe it needs to be built hyperspecifically

so it can oneshot things on vet

[plucky flax]

It's not good on osykwr.

Psyker

On zealot its for me the strongest melee weapon.

[rigid sky]

It works on Psyker pretty well actually but only some builds

Disrupt Destiny helps it to make breakpoints

[rigid sky]

Veteran finds it hardest to build iirc

I haven't pulled one off yet

I think a Veteran Rashad might be the hardest weapon to build in the game, if you consider a Power Cycler III Power Sword "good enough"

[radiant frigate]

i would never even consider axe on psyker

[radiant frigate]

ah, splendid

[rigid sky]

I wanted to try it on gunker

[radiant frigate]

no wonder it felt so awkward

[rigid sky]

So I would have a versatile weapon that can handle carapace

[plucky flax]

Nah not too hard. Veteran has 10% melee damage node.

[rigid sky]

It worked but Illisi works better imo

[rigid sky]

But that means taking that node

That's right tree right?

[plucky flax]

Yeah you can spec from krak nade.

[rigid sky]

I think for a melee veteran it's definitely easier

[plucky flax]

And it's just 1 extra point to the right.

[rigid sky]

But it's not like the old Veteran Rashad pre-13

Where It Just Works

Veteran points are the most expensive points too in general

Since their tree is so massive

[plucky flax]

Aye but they get shout which is super op. And plasma which is also super op

[rigid sky]

Yeah, it's easy to kludge some shit together and carry with plasma/VoC/Surv Aura anyway

And regenerating shredders

And power sword

Side shit is more fun, love my max dps CIAG with E Stance

[plucky flax]

I only like playing psy and zealot. Even though my vet is lvl 400+.

[brave fiber]

I need to finally level my vet

I play literally only psyker and zealot, I really tried to like ogryn but I don’t vibe with the big man playstyle

[upper sun]

huh so we all only play psyker and zealot?

[mighty cipher]

I play everything pretty equally. Except for psyker of course

[hollow jolt]

Veterans and Ogryns are a myth

Don't trust the lies

[upper sun]

everyone plays vet and no one plays ogryn

[mighty cipher]

I absolutely hate most of ogryn's weapons but the few I do like are some of my favorites in the game

[rigid sky]

I'm an omnireject

Psyker main but I cycle the other 3 a lot

[rigid sky]

IIIb clobb drum solo LET'S GOOOOOOOOO

[radiant frigate]

psyker onetrick pretty much

occasional vet (bad)

[weary crane]

Uhhh so gaze doesnt work with siphon because spending the warp charges doesnt reduce the next one

[mighty cipher]

Yeah

[weary crane]

That's annoying

I was trying to maximise my crit chance

[rigid sky]

Gaze is for guns and guns are for DD anyway

DD maximises your crit/weakspot damage

Which is what gun psyker does so well

[mighty cipher]

HOLY SHIT THIS PSYKER IS LEVEL 2.2K

[hollow jolt]

What a nerd

[mighty cipher]

He crashed my game

[weary crane]

what are these levels?

[rigid sky]

He brain ruptured your PC lol

[hollow jolt]

How many times over lvl 30 you reached

[weary crane]

how can you tell

[hollow jolt]

For context, a normal damnation is like 50% or so for a level up

[hollow jolt]

True Level mod

[brave fiber]

I feel like zealot is by far the most popular class from personal experience

then a tie between vet and psyker

[upper sun]

yeah because most people join the game thinking I FUCKING LOVE THE EMPEROR

[weary crane]

then realise zealot is trash

[brave fiber]

also having a melee focused class in a melee heavy game fits too well

[upper sun]

zealot is great

[brave fiber]

I feel like every class is really strong

[weary crane]

vet has better melee tree

[upper sun]

every class except psyker

[brave fiber]

individual balance aside they’re all really good

[brave fiber]

wym

[upper sun]

every other class is easier and cheaper to build

[brave fiber]

im just talking sheer effectiveness not ease of use to be fair

also I will say purg and surge are extremely easy to get good rolls on

[upper sun]

i still cant get a good deimos or mk4 to complement my purge

[jovial juniper]

Weird, zealot is the best class in the game

But you know, you do you

[brave fiber]

all you need for a good mk4 is uncanny and carapace, maniac is preferable for second and the second blessing can be either riposte or precog, preferably the latter

[hollow jolt]

Zealot is high skill cap and very low average player skill

Very fun combo

[rigid sky]

I fuckin love Psyker

[brave fiber]

zealot is extremely unkillable for all the reasons ogryn is not

*skill wise

[plucky flax]

Huh zealot is pretty easy to play for me.

[spice veldt]

i'm generally surprised at the amount of people who call zealot trash

[plucky flax]

Just pick martyrdom + any weapon.

[brave fiber]

by skill wise I mean talents mb

[plucky flax]

High stam good stam regen high hp.

[spice veldt]

difficult to die to non-disablers

is very nice

and i get to run knife and rack up insane amounts of crit chance

love my 100% deterministic crit chance

[brave fiber]

zealot has the highest clutch potential from how high his survivability is

[vocal stream]

hi psykers. any recommendations on perks/blessings to maximize this item until there is a better one?

illisi
damage: 79
mobility: 78
warp resist: 66
finesse: 69
first target: 76

+1.5 stam
+8% melee (groaners/pox)
t1 riposte
t4 shred

[plucky flax]

Yeah zealot is very easy to clutch.

Especially with access to stealth.

Just run and ress. Xd

[rigid sky]

The perks and blessings are kinda unfortunate

[upper sun]

what do you use it with?

[plucky flax]

Also loner aura so you can regen toughness anywhere.

[rigid sky]

But it's probably workable

[vocal stream]

voidstaff

[brave fiber]

It’s not great, for the time being replace both perks. Maniac flak should be fine

[vocal stream]

yeah, not too thrilled lol

[upper sun]

then i would say either flak or maniac for groaner and slaughter for riposte

[vocal stream]

been using chainsword and dipping into force

[brave fiber]

perk damage boosts are much more valuable than a change in blessing imo

[upper sun]

or flak maniac and keep blessings

[lucid flicker]

tried purgatus ingame again

it's growing on me

[spice veldt]

only reason i don't take loner is just cuz pathing

[rigid sky]

Warp Charge ultimate synergy stick

[upper sun]

dont forget the sunglasses and its 💋

[vocal stream]

ok ty psyks

[spice veldt]

if only i could get it to avoid loner spawns

[rigid sky]

All the shrieks all the time

[brave fiber]

what’s your knife build?

[plucky flax]

Loner spawns seems like a myth./

I don't even notice getting more enemies.

[brave fiber]

I find trying to get crit knife to work with shroundfield is extremely tight with skill points

[spice veldt]

this is what i usually run

i run chastise instead of shroud

[supple sedge]

Ulgo think best team comp is
1 boss.
1 sparkhead
1 shouty
1 Ulgo!

[lucid flicker]

i've been using EP brain burst for helping with distant or problematic targets

[idle plover]

1 ogryn 2 vets and a psyker

Leave bully zealots home

[rigid sky]

I just suck it up and do slow brain ruptures lol

[supple sedge]

No zealot sometime good

[rigid sky]

My Trauma uses the luxury EP ones

[brave fiber]

this is why my pub comps aren’t doing well, there’s never an ulgo with me 😞

[mental rock]

Best team is quad ogryn

[lucid flicker]

i also just like the extra kick it gives.

[supple sedge]

With Ulgo little ones ask. Where is horde? Ulgo say Ulgo krumped them all!

[rigid sky]

Wish I could take both lol

[lucid flicker]

couragiously crush the carapace cranium, yes yes

[rigid sky]

But I like that I can use Shriek almost entirely freely with a Purgatus

[brave fiber]

thank you ulgo you serve the emprah well

[supple sedge]

Ulgo wonder why squish head? Brain squishier no?

[supple sedge]

[rigid sky]

I just try to make space for the shooty bois to deal with ranged as much as I can

[lucid flicker]

i'm just happy to find a style i prefer

[supple sedge]

Ulgo need sparkhead near him. Easy to protec lil uns

[mental rock]

Ulgo no serve emperor, He has his own waiters called the black ships

[supple sedge]

Huh? No Ulgo serve emperor

[mental rock]

Ulgo too small brain to get joke?

[lucid flicker]

perhaps this kindness may be returned with a SHIELD

[supple sedge]

[brave fiber]

there is not greater connection in this game than when an ogryn is slapping the life out of a dreg and I join him with knife punches

[supple sedge]

Ulgo maybe dumb. But still stronger than you psyker

[supple sedge]

I give thumbs up!

[jovial juniper]

Right!?!?!

[supple sedge]

Zealot not bad. Need to think like zealot. Let god emperor guide you

[brave fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-stomp-kick-wen-life-hits-us-ouch-gif-16592611

[mighty cipher]

A second level 1.1K psyker joined

Easiest game I've ever had in my life.

[orchid shadow]

We're you just in that assassination mission?

[mighty cipher]

Oh hey Skudie

[orchid shadow]

Skudie went poof right at the finale. 😦

[mighty cipher]

Yep

[jovial juniper]

It's hilarious

[austere crest]

Damn literally just had such a clean run with one of my fav psykers to run into, with two good zealots on lights out, we did a 100% clear, get to the final event, and game crashes wont reconnect

[mighty cipher]

Yeah, did you still get the rewards for that match?

Thats a fucking travesty

[austere crest]

nope

[rose dagger]

When did they buff trauma? Feels way more powerful than I remember

[austere crest]

i like mentioning clearing DH at top of match and everyone being on the same page to count them as part of the mix

[mighty cipher]

Also, technically we didn't do it deathless because of the bot that got ledged at the start

[austere crest]

trauma gets stronger as you get older sibling

[supple sedge]

ULGO INVISIBLE

[austere crest]

the voices linger

[mighty cipher]

I got the 6 monster kills in one match because we slaughtered three hosts that match btw

[supple sedge]

Ulgo solo demonhead once. Still very proud

[austere crest]

was doing good do on bosses

[mighty cipher]

I FORGOT TO GRAB YOUR BOOK

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[radiant frigate]

always been like this

[mighty cipher]

Holy shit the other zealot ended that match with 139K boss damage

[rose dagger]

last time i used it was before the rending changes way back, so it was probably that

am using rending shockwave

also hello skudie

believe we've played together a number of times

[mental rock]

Not having 300k boss damage

[gaunt seal]

The craziest run going so good and then boom instant death at full hp. 1000 something games and have never seen that happen

Instantly put bomber resistance on all 3 curios because what the actual fuck why didn’t it down me

[weary crane]

I have perfected my psyker build, it works by scaling the peril and peril resistence perfectly.

Make sure to deploy the shield before using staff or brain burst to get rid of warp charges, and increase your brain burst speed

Use it on low peril

[brave fiber]

I think it may have downed you but insta killed you the frame you were downed lol

That’s wild

[jovial juniper]

I think something else killed you

[lyric burrow]

i think more than likely his corruption just went above one wound from all the poxbursters and then ran out of health and insta died

[jovial juniper]

It took a wound and a half

[radiant frigate]

bomber resistance will not save you from poxbursters

anyway the reason it didn't down you is burster 1 takes off a bit mroe than half a wound in corruption, burster 2 does it again and then you're on your last life as burster 2 kills you

[brave fiber]

I take it upon myself to watch my teams flank because god knows nobody else will

[radiant frigate]

ironically you would have lived if you had taken damage beforehand

[jovial juniper]

Also the zealot tried to push the burster

[gaunt seal]

Damn

[jovial juniper]

My favorite frame btw

[gaunt seal]

I read somewhere that bomber resistance was coded for pox bursters

But seemed like bs

[radiant frigate]

no it's definitely the flame grenade bombers

[gaunt seal]

Was just hoping true after this run ending bs

[radiant frigate]

it is still a good thing to have for when you get caught in a bad position and fire rains down on you

fire is still the thing that will kill you the fastest

not counting overheads and multibursters

because multibursters are rare

[jovial juniper]

With the exception of modifiers of course

[gaunt seal]

I also read that bomber resistance doesn’t effect the fire itself just a broken perk in general

No way to test that though I’m on console can’t summon bombers in meat grinder

I had 15% corruption resistance when I died

I wonder if there is any thing I could have done with my curious that would have saved me in that clip

2 toughness one health was what I had

But one in a thousand death so probably just don’t bother planning to prevent it in the future and accept it as freak fuckery

[radiant frigate]

it definitely affects the fire

[upper sun]

flak

[weary crane]

Huh?

[untold niche]

it got fixed

last time it only affect his kick

[upper sun]

purge needs flak

[austere crest]

Oi!

[weary crane]

I was considering that yes

[untold niche]

also i think around p14 fire damage really hurt (you go down if you start from the center) so i have thre curios on psyker that have bombur resist

[austere crest]

listen XD not a gun psyker and built for low damage high output lol

[untold niche]

the only way to not die from bomber was to take the curio perk, so i did.

mfw it got nerfed one month later

[austere crest]

wait

those do st uff?

i thought the curio perk for flamer and bomber was for their melee attacks

am i an idiot

[untold niche]

it used to be that some time ago

[austere crest]

so when a grenade lands where my teammate wont unnet me, theres a chance i may not die?

[austere crest]

or does it not change the team

XD

[untold niche]

last time it let you survive 2/3 more ticks (can't rmb)

so you would prob still die if netted

not sure about now

thats how insane the damage was that time

imagine you get stuck in zombie horde

can't run from nade

garunteed death if no curio perk

[quartz barn]

good old bugged bomber time

[untold niche]

atm my psyker runs toughness regen and cdr on curio perk.
if curios werent hard to grind the third perk would be gunner resist.

But imo CDR really important to me so yeah

[austere crest]

what if this happens https://youtu.be/UxnFPtMdbXc?si=vDzphvdNbkE-qyGA&t=19 (timestamped)

[quartz barn]

also you can dodge slide jump out of almost everything, including the bugged nades

[untold niche]

i don't think thats the correct timestamp

i see you getting vomitted by bon

[untold niche]

i remember someone showing a video eve nfi you dodge slide out of it you still die

[austere crest]

it was a joke lol

fresh health, some nurgle juice and a poxburster is the real mvp

[untold niche]

do you have all classes levelled to 40?

30*

atm im back to play vet like a zealot

[quartz barn]

did that long ago

also you could live, just needed to jump at the end so you'd fling yourself out of the fire

[untold niche]

u should cme back for 1 hour tho, they made some cool changes like

gunner no longer knock back

and uh

trappers can get staggered

and uh

[quartz barn]

hmm

[untold niche]

thats all i rmb

xD

[quartz barn]

also gunner knockback nerf lmao

[untold niche]

ya, gunner no longer knock back

phrasing bad

same meaning

[quartz barn]

you die instantly if they beam you

• bubble exist

also dodge

[untold niche]

shotgunner ( and rager too i believe)

[quartz barn]

trapper stagger is kinda wack tbh

[untold niche]

oh yeah they fixed some sounds

[untold niche]

better than last time when i mistime the forward slide dodge only for that bastard to look me into the eyes with a delayed net

[quartz barn]

ye but the last thing this game needs is it to be easier

[untold niche]

just need more skill expression i feel :v
but i don't think fs will add any.
most of the regulars here i see talk about numbers and pure balancing

[jovial juniper]

It shouldn't be frustrating though

[untold niche]

i don't see any regulars trying to fight for skill expression

[jovial juniper]

The sound cues keep you alive

And then they are gone under certain circumstances

[untold niche]

tbh at this point the only sound ques i pay attention to are trapper and bomber
even flamer i don't care bcause i don't know which hole he is coming out from, and him being a flamer i have some leeway from when i see him to when he is a threat

dogsi just habit shove everytime i hear the bark so the spawn sound que doesn't really matter

poxy bursters one i habit shove but most of the time i pray to heaven i don't get hot potatoed from outside my view
like luck is more important for poxybs
(am half joking obviously)

[jovial juniper]

The way push works

You don't need to face the burster

Nor the dog

[untold niche]

i know. thats why i said i habit shove on sound que.

[jovial juniper]

Which is infuriating specially during hordes

[untold niche]

idk the only ones that sometimes are gone is the poxyb one when they ledge or game breaks down.
bomber sometimes have no line sbut the greade is loud anyway.
Which one are you most affected by?

[jovial juniper]

Mostly hounds

Setting the mix preset to low helps a little

[austere crest]

if it always kept you the closest, this one be such a cooler look than the flat one in the menu

[untold niche]

wait you can change the sound settings?

[untold niche]

wow leve l2214 very pwo

[austere crest]

yeah there are sound presets in the menu

[austere crest]

2247 now that was last weekend

i wear it shamefully

[mighty cipher]

Question. Why are you butt naked?

Or how moreso.

[patent wing]

is there a trick to dodge daemon host attacks

[jovial juniper]

Dodge

Keep the block up

It'll probably burn through your stamina though

Kinetic Deflection will help you a lot

Move away enough and it'll teleport to you

[patent wing]

i can block it infinitely but when i try to save on stamina and dodge, it never works

and the window where he can be stabbed is like 1-2 stabs, so it takes ages to kill

[near drift]

Ideally you don't aggro the DH but I try to find some waist high stuff enemies have to path around and dance the daemonhost around that

[stone totem]

The director throwing a no-delay dog at me while I'm clutching:

[quartz barn]

just kill the dh before it can kill you, also aggro on purpose since we dont trust rando qp teammates here

[feral knoll]

How is knife on Psyker?

[rigid sky]

We have better options for the same job imo

DS4 or Deimos

But I haven't tried it to be fair

Nor have I ever seen another psyker try it

I see more recon lasguns in fact

[hollow jolt]

I've seen knife psykers

Never impressed though

Usually new players trying out new gear

[fathom totem]

To be honest knife on psyker is not that bad. It's good for running a away quickly

[orchid shadow]

If I could ever roll a nice knife, I'd try it out just for the getting around. Occasionally get a little tired of running like a little duckling after speed freaks with my Illisi weighing me down.

[stuck sinew]

Hot take: Knife is not that bad because psyker doesn't need to rely on melee to kill things

[fathom totem]

This exactly.

[worn beacon]

I'd still rather have illisi/deimos or ds4

Because they're cooler

Than a british shank

[vestal fulcrum]

But this is something you can say for at least two other weapons

(which does not indicate that the knife is "bad" per se, either)

But it doesn't have reach, and the other two things I have in mind have reach

[stuck sinew]

Knife as a weapon is ok in the context of classes that can actually build into melee

Psyker it's just because zoomies

Anyway give vet the duelling sword, I wanna see what that finesse talent does with it

[worn beacon]

Give zealot power swords

[stuck sinew]

Truly one shot crushers

[jovial juniper]

Knife psyker heavy attack speed hack any%

[hollow current]

Siblings. I am about to buy 200 MK IV's in a foolish attempt to improve upon these. I will record the raw bounty and then delete the chaff one by one. I will also record the misery of sending the promising few to Hadron.

[manic lagoon]

Psyk out, Siblings

[brave fiber]

imagine you get a god roll on like, the second attempt

[hollow current]

NOH MY GAME CRASHED

Oh whew shadow play still recorded the buying segment

Good news siblings. I bought the wrong MK.

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/exasperated-michael-scott-gif-13179415001013058912

[hollow current]

Upon inspecting all 200 I can say while a blunder it was entirely inconsequential as there was maybe two candidates out of two hundred that had potential but were still poor.

I found this item worthy of collection however.

Time to buy 200 more. I'll be sure do the right ones this time.

[jovial juniper]

unfinesses your weapon

[hollow current]

One shining diamond in the rough, siblings. There's a few other candidates but none so glorious as this one. I'll

[upper sun]

how much did you spend?

ive spent everything i made in 2 weeks on deimos and I have had nothing useful closest one had first target as a dump stat with almost max warp resist

[hollow current]

3,261,150 this go around. In total? Maybe 5-7mil at least.

Possibly up to 10. I haven't really kept track till this time.

[upper sun]

my god this game has zero respect for our time

[hollow current]

I usually buy in batches of 20 here and there and last time I did it was a month ago.

[mental mist]

Hey guys, question, what is the general consensus best gun for gun psykers? I use the fastest infantry lasgun with headhunter and deadly accurate. I tried using recon lasguns but they just seem to run out of ammo super fast and don't do a lot of damage. Headhunter autogun seems good too. The reason I went with the lasgun is for the attack speed and proccing crits.

[feral verge]

las pistol is the way

[upper sun]

recons are awful ive seen people do great with the laspistol

[mental mist]

I never thought to try that one

Is the newer one or the older one better?

[lavish glade]

Columnus autogun

[stuck sinew]

The OP megafart meta gun is Columnus Infantry autogun

[hollow current]

Best DPS is the columnus, but I prefer the laspistol for the quick draw and find it better for spot killing specific threats.

[mental mist]

Interesting

[feral verge]

good question

they do the same dps, pretty much

but the newer one requires less clicking

[hollow current]

Basically. Old one does more dps from my testing but it's not by much. Maybe 10-15%.

[mental mist]

Las pistol makes a lot of sense since you swap to blitz ability so often. I would have never thought about that

[hollow current]

I never had that specific thought tbh but yeah, it's something I do constantly. Swapping between Assail, Melee and Las Pistol.

[mental mist]

I've never tried the las pistol on any class. I'll have to give it a go. Thanks

[torpid girder]

What's the mod that makes ur inventory like this? :o

[hollow current]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/188 😄

[torpid girder]

tysmmm 💞

[hollow current]

Here's what buying 400 weapons looks like.

[upper sun]

how did you know i was autistic?

[long wharf]

I thought it was pretty obvious

[hollow current]

Deleting all the trash took 10 minutes.

Here are the vaunted candidates!

[cinder moon]

feels like brunt specifically will give you bad rolls when you go on a buying spree. i limited myself to only getting 10 of anything at once, then waiting a while to get more if those 10 had nothing good

this has actually worked out for me pretty well

[hollow current]

Feels the same to me tbh.

Generally when buying batches in 20 it feels like I almost always get a decent 370+

[upper sun]

Ive been playing two damnations then buying deimos with everything and still nothing good

i think it gives you better rolls based on the amount of mental damage you've taken trying to build the weapon

[cosmic sigil]

i am sure there's some kind of reset on the rng

maybe it's some kind of protection against bot buying + selling

[hollow current]

Nah, it's fatshark. Every game has made the rng worse and more unbearable than the last game.

[rose dagger]

i wish

[hollow current]

The problem is when you're trying to perfect something, decent no longer cuts it.

I spent 3 mil on weapons and only one came out as good as I could ever hope for. Now I have to pray Hadron doesn't turn it into a brick.

[rose dagger]

oof

it be like that

im saving millions for the fabled next content drop

tho i already have good rolls of nearly every weapon

[hollow current]

Same, that and bricked weapons that might be useful in a crafting update.

Every time I hit the cap tho, I spend a few mil and eek out an extra 0.5% damage or a better blessing that probably ultimately goes unnoticed.

[upper sun]

thats me huffing the hopium

m-maybe theyll increase the lock limit to 3 maybe some of my gear will unbrick itself

but tbh they have zero faith in their product thats why they gave xbox people so much currency

[hollow current]

My hope is they'll let you swap stats once or smash weapons together for an improved version.

I got a lot of weapons that would be great if a stat is swapped.

[upper sun]

i swear they dont actually play their own game they dont know its actually fun and they feel they have to cheat people into staying by making the grind so stupid

I dont see them changing anything with the crafting system

[hollow current]

it's a fun game! I just really wish they would talk more about what's going on.

[upper sun]

they already changed it once companies like that dont like change the same system more than once itll make it seem like they dont know what theyre doing

[spice veldt]

at least in fatshark's case it just seems like they're slow

[upper sun]

if they want to attract new players they need to lower the bar for getting good gear its not resonable to assume that the average person is willing to spend 500 hours to get 4 usable builds on 2 chars

[spice veldt]

with the pace that they're doing things, my expected time for a crafting rework is on the timescale of years

[upper sun]

increase plasteel given by missions
give an option to buy blessings
make the lock limit 3 instead of 4

[upper sun]

THERE I FIXED THE CRAFTING in 3 easy steps!

[limber silo]

They're shitting on us (and rightfully so tbh)

[hollow current]

Chaos wastes came out 3 years after Vermintide 2 released and that was the most fun it ever was outside of the release bugs like Krubers automatic rifle and blow horn blunder buss doom shotgun.

[limber silo]

Whoever made this was 5'11 tho

[upper sun]

if i have to grind for red gear now and rebrick all my shit im deleting my chars

[hollow current]

sneaking 5' 11'' in there, huh

oh damn i was too late.

[hollow current]

red gear in the last two games was max stats so at least once you get it, it's good.

VT 1 they were unique weapons iirc, VT2 they had cool skins and names but you could do whatever.

[upper sun]

took me 460 hours to get 1.5 builds for my psyker and 1 build for vet and zealot

ogryn still on blue gear

if they add gear with better stats im deleting them all and sending some "mail" to sweden

[hollow current]

Ever since I learned of the extension that lets you view the shop in a web browser thats where I get all my other weapons for the characters I don't play.

[upper sun]

same

theyre such princesses my psyker slaves day and night and they get good greys for nothing

[cursive marten]

which blessing change to Rending Shockwave?

[hollow current]

Nexus if you want to do a shockwave build. With nexus IV tho that's set up for blaze trauma which a lot of the stave psykers adore.

[cursive marten]

ok thanks

[rotund fable]

Well this is a dissapointing roll...

23% mobility

[little rapids]

yeah i would probably play more without the item system

there are builds i want to try but literally not worth wasting resources trying to get the item for it

[harsh urchin]

Umm

[little rapids]

not even because its hard to get a decent item, but its nearly impossible to get a perfect item, and i feel somewhat obligated to get a perfect item for my main builds

[harsh urchin]

But if they're builds you just wanna try

Are they your main builds

[little rapids]

No

Im saying, just the cost of getting a good item with the blessings and perks i want i usually compare it to "oh but i could try and get god roll of my main build instead" so im less likely to try the other thing

if that makes sense

it isnt super logical but its an issue i have

[harsh urchin]

Note that I'm not defending fs here

I think the item system is deeply flawed

But i think playing with a 3 mod item

That's imperfect

Isn't as soul shattering as you make it seem

[little rapids]

it isnt

ur absolutely right

but its still unsatisfying

[harsh urchin]

My hope is that they streamline the existing system

And move the grind to a different part of it

Ie: make it easy for people to get the perks and blessings

But make the super grindy aspect to be

[mental grail]

Get 5'11 out of the helldivers section

[harsh urchin]

Pushing stats from 80-100 for red items

Or something

[mental grail]

Fuck 5'11 larpers

[little rapids]

maybe just make resources harder to get

but when you have them you know you can be rewarded

instead of spending 1 missions worth or 100 missions worth of resources and potentially getting the same outcome

[cosmic sigil]

The truth is that you do not need a good item to do auric or damn

[little rapids]

i know that

u can take greys into the hardest missions

but it doesnt excuse a poor item system

[cosmic sigil]

The quest to get the perfect item is just our gambling addiction in full throttle mode

[cosmic sigil]

Maybe they did not expect people to chase that much godrolls?

[little rapids]

maybe

[cosmic sigil]

I'd like to know what the intention was behind the design

What did they expect, their assumptions...

[torpid girder]

90% of crafters stop right before a godroll...

[cosmic sigil]

I see another maniac + specialist enjoyer for those really really specific bp

[upper sun]

its beyond stupid making a game where one wrong dodge gets you killed but having the crafting system be rng based

[little rapids]

i dont see the correlation

i just think the crafting system is bad

[upper sun]

you either get skill or rng. if you had the best gear you could want there would never be a scenario where you'd think huh maybe if my weapon/curio was a little better i would have survived

[little rapids]

i see

[harsh urchin]

Fundamentally they have to make some part of the progression grindy

My expectation is that theyll loosen it up once red weapons come out

And make those the real grind

[stone totem]

the "once" in question: 👴

[feral knoll]

Is Bloodthirsty considered good on Deimos (100% crit on charge kill)

[hollow current]

nuh uh

[untold niche]

my system is this:
if i want to play this class / build, i will get decent weapons.
If the decent weapon requires a godroll then i grind until i have the godroll. If it doesn't (i.e. shotguns, crusher weapon) then i won't.

Basically i spend a longer time grinding so i don't end like like your situation where you are stuck having decent but not great weapons

[little rapids]

what is red

[untold niche]

but are reds confirmed? o.o

[upper sun]

cmon they already have the code for it theyll obv reuse it somehow

[untold niche]

best stat stick, not sure if it includes choosable blessings

[hollow current]

bots have 100% weapons iirc. idk if they're red tho

[untold niche]

not obvious tho, maybe they want to make this game grindier?

[upper sun]

and they still suck sad!

[little rapids]

like 100 for all stats? this is a vt2 thing?

[upper sun]

yes

[untold niche]

p much

ngl i think some thresholds will be broken if its 100 instead of 80 for all lol

[hollow current]

vt2 I think weapons had fixed damage. But red weapons had it so the perks were always maxed out. So you just had to roll 1 or 100 times to get the combo you wanted

[untold niche]

100 pen

[upper sun]

my friends who played vt2 got great and finished out their builds with 400 hours of play

[hollow current]

I don't think penetration beyond 100 does anything unless it specifies damage vs ?

[untold niche]

i prob could finish my DT one well within 300 hours ngl :p
I played psyker for so long goddam

[upper sun]

like what do i do? I have to eat and sleep jesus fatshark i cant camp the store 24/7

[untold niche]

yeah but current cap is 80

[hollow current]

Oh yeah. I was thinking of something else

[untold niche]

kind of weird they choose to cap stats at the number "80" too

like "100 pen" could have 80 actual pen

[hollow current]

content baiting

[stable halo]

the worst part of it for me is just that- even with a ton of hours invested, I don't ever want to try working on a new build because Idk where the breakpoints are with all the variability in mid-tier weapons. If it was just consistent, I could learn how to fight with the rhythm of the weapon better and faster.

[untold niche]

just download loadout config mod

[shy prairie]

I sense filthy sorcery

https://youtu.be/r76RyD-PAOw?t=7

[shy prairie]

KHORNE SMILES UPON US

[plucky flax]

Steadily going down again since patch 13 update.

Great live service game with the yearly content drip. Xd

[mental grail]

fatshark never gives me what I want usually

[mental grail]

wait is this game actual live service or halo live service

wait halo live service is unironically better than darktide Xd

[uneven parcel]

Eh, that doesn't surprise me much. Pretty similar thing in vermintide where the player count soars for a bit when a new DLC class releases but goes back down to 3k ish.

[mental grail]

Halo live service generally gives free cosmetics

And the ones that aren't free are usually in the shop catalog

they do price gouge though

so not much better than DT

[onyx sentinel]

how is shriek spam not nerfed yet

[mental grail]

Shut up talking about it so it won't be

[mental grail]

Wait, can I see ur psyker

[rose dagger]

41 minute mission tho

[radiant frigate]

yeah but when do you ever see 1.4m damage done

usually an entire team maybe adds up to that

[onyx sentinel]

funny trauma moment pt 2

[onyx sentinel]

scab only probably made it possible, crusher patrols inflated that number

[plucky flax]

You are so pro.

I can get maybe 100k damage in sedition.

[onyx sentinel]

sedition only 2nd channel when

[mental grail]

I meant ur psykers drip, but it is startling to see so many dueling sword psykers

[wind spruce]

The scoreboard mod overestimates trauma damage by a good 30-40%

#psyker-class message

[wind spruce]

Its the strongest psyker melee

[onyx sentinel]

still hits the 1m mark 😎😎

[wind spruce]

Maybe, maybe not. Depends how many poxwalkers you oneshotted

[onyx sentinel]

also hard to gauge in a real game how much the error matters since a nontrivial amount of your damage is from shriek and perilous combustion

[wind spruce]

It's not hard to gauge, you just install ovenproofs extension

[onyx sentinel]

lmao literally no one has ever asked me that

[onyx sentinel]

yeah okay, first time I've ever heard of that extension or of the bug

[wind spruce]

It's a great mod, it shows different categories of damage such as warpfire and burn

[next turret]

we cant put ictures of weapons we got inm here anymore?

[feral verge]

@kalindichan yes we can

You don't have perms or something

[junior linden]

they should give braced autos to psykers I think that would be funny

[halcyon creek]

-shoots gun
-shrugs
-slings gun onto back
-shoots lightning from hands

[junior linden]

Gunker is so fun