psyker-class

[hard dragon]

Nop
It's Beatrix Bükmann II

[patent wing]

whats the vets anti boss gun/melee?

[wet belfry]

Colomnus?

[upper sun]

plasma gun and a brick

[spice veldt]

columnus prolly

[vestal fulcrum]

Wouldn’t it be wiser to ask that question in #veteran-class

Nonetheless, probably Columnus 5 IAG, maybe Bolter. If you’re a god at hitting weak spots, revolver can also do respectable boss damage, but Columnus is likely the winner here, still

As for melee… you can’t really go wrong with PS6 and Rashad caxe

[patent wing]

k ty

[rigid sky]

Maybe Hellbores work idk

Bolter is the classic for it

[stone canyon]

I guess workable base for blessing lottery

[upper sun]

its a very good staff i wouldnt turn that in if you get a good roll

[stone canyon]

Sadly cant check if id get lucky yet

[upper sun]

see you on the front lines sibling

[stone canyon]

Once i get my drooling mini-ogryn to sleep first

(I named my Ogryn after his 3rd name because of resemblance in looks)

[hollow current]

@upper sun this one is Studio Killers - Jenny

[upper sun]

thanks ive got 12 so far

[untold niche]

thank for reply

[mighty cipher]

????????????????????????????????????????

The fuck happened here?

The Daemon aggroed onto me

[upper sun]

you clearly had a naughty thought

[hollow current]

Might be a brain burst suppression thing? I've seen the same thing happen albeit more obvious when another Psyker BB'd a mook that was right next to the DH.

[mighty cipher]

They removed that a long time ago

My running theory is that it saw me through the floor

[hollow current]

this is fat shark were talking about lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1207369974801236018/bb_triggered_host.mp4?ex=65e8a069&is=65d62b69&hm=4732de12bd325f3abba32af56cfea35523ab262c39f72d3a65549201f8b2b973& same thing happens in the first 3-4 seconds here but without the verticallity

[spice veldt]

did you ignite the barrel that led to the ground fire underneath it?

there's an ignitable pipe at that corner

[patent wing]

my melee psyker now plays with brittle trauma and its great

[hollow current]

actually going frame by frame on the source video I was wrong. Apparently the DH got some soulblaze stacks on it somehow.

looks like the guy was a blaze trauma user and didn't notice the DH.

[rigid sky]

I appear to have burst into flames. /tf2spy

[balmy flax]

Gonna get T4 block and block efficiency on it and hide behind it forever. Pocket ogryn.

[upper sun]

ah the blaze sword of FUCK NO

[little rapids]

what do u guys think is better
61% warp res 80% quell speed
or
73% warp res 44% quell speed

everything else very similar
on trauma staff

[rigid sky]

High quell

Warp res dumpier

[little rapids]

there is also a difference in that

one has warp flurry 1 and the other warp flurry 4

but idk if it matters that much

ill try the high quell one

[upper sun]

post them both

[little rapids]

ok

[upper sun]

theyre both good

[little rapids]

yea the differences are only ever marginal i guess

[patent wing]

i wondered whats going on with our ogryn, until i die and spectate him just to see:

full auto rumbler and infinite ammo

"bug since yesterday" for sure

[radiant frigate]

appears legitimate

[primal ravine]

finally got that karnak twin hard mode drip

[upper sun]

damn nice

[primal ravine]

I don't remember who recommended the LFG, but thank you

After I put a group together we did it in 3 tries, felt super easy

[upper sun]

did you have to do the puzzle bullshit to get the insignia?

[primal ravine]

What do you mean?

we just rang the bell for hardmode

[hollow current]

Yeah you gotta do the karnak twins normally, tho you can do it on sedition iirc and do the bell puzzle to get hardmode

only 1 person has to do the puzzle though for the whole team

[primal ravine]

nah we got lucky tthe bell were at the start

[rigid sky]

I would probably take flurry 4 over a better quell speed

[austere crest]

what in the world

anyone had this happen with bb's post patch?

[upper sun]

nope

[austere crest]

double yew tee ef

[arctic ledge]

Is bio lightning decent?

[little rapids]

sometimes

it does no dmg btw

like 5

[little rapids]

ive started to realize trauma can cc as well as smite

[orchid shadow]

Two very different playstyles for CC. Smite can be screen-wide-and-into-the-next-room CC, when you go, "Okay, enough of this. Everyone needs to just stop for a moment."

[brave fiber]

blaze trauma can lowkey do everything

it’s nutty

[mighty cipher]

FATSHARK. FIX YOUR SHIT.

SECOND TIME TODAY

[brave fiber]

What even happened

[mighty olive]

Host is randomly aggroing, I've noticed this and none of us were even close to the host, she was on a different floor

[brave fiber]

like only thing I can think of is fire spreading to the dh somehow but that shouldn’t be able to happen

[mighty olive]

The first video he posted wasn't using fire, he brainbursted something away from the host and it aggroed

I was on my zealot when one aggroed on us from a different floor, no idea where it came from lol

[brave fiber]

I mean in that vid that was just posted the dh took a little damage as soon as they woke up, they got hurt from something

[upper sun]

could be a soulblaze stack from perilous combustion

is this my fuck up? im pretty sure the bursters shouldnt pawn in precooked and the love tap from purge shouldnt blow them up

[thorn kestrel]

After gambling

Which is better?

[upper sun]

more burn = more better

[haughty star]

Smite increases team survivability on auric alot

Good for those random back spawn trash mobs that always wanna come in when shit hits the fan

[brave fiber]

If burn isn’t at 76% minimum for a purg staff toss it

regardless purg generates so little peril the warp res and quell stats don’t matter much

[mighty cipher]

Thats just a fucked up door

That'sTHE door you dont want to stand by

[upper sun]

i thought they were gonna spawn from the room right next to it

[austere crest]

that spot is notorious for bursters at the door, always wait until after the special spawn to health up.

[upper sun]

welll now i know but still the tap from purge shouldnt have popped them

[austere crest]

im al about the idea of DH's having a chance multiplier of just waking up for no reason. It's possible a teammate was running while in vicinity? She's more likely to wake when sprinting vs walking by her

Sketch in general on purge XD i wake them up all the time from rogue venting shriek stacks just boiling on her

[orchid shadow]

That happens on every door that I've seen with a burster. I always give them enough clearance at the door for them to at least take a step out of it.

[thorn kestrel]

Actual misery

[brave fiber]

a tragedy

[thorn kestrel]

A confuddle

[brave fiber]

another thing about purg is that you don’t really have to care about the dmg stat either, since all of your damage is burn

[austere crest]

Is bonk affected by Damage modifier? Asking for a friend

[brave fiber]

shit as long as you get good burn and good cloud radius you’re good

[thorn kestrel]

Its more that I want a really good staff for my main tbh
Anything above 370 and is pratically perfect shall do for me

[mighty cipher]

My current purg staff has 18% damage

[brave fiber]

I got 50 percent or so but realistically that’s only like 2 points dmg difference or something for the flames themselves lol

[brave fiber]

Higher modifiers also gives you better chance at better perks and blessings iirc

[upper sun]

is your friend the person who discovered the special attack bug?

[austere crest]

no what is the special attack bug?

[upper sun]

I love it when 3 people die in maelstrom and the last man standing gets to cycle between 15 different teammates until i get saved since two people keep leaving

[austere crest]

no lol, ive only used purge a couple times, but that does sound like bonk cancel lol

[brave fiber]

special attack and secondary attack are two different things, no?

[austere crest]

yeah

special attack is bonk on staves

[brave fiber]

Yeah I get that confused often

I feel like so many special attacks are just worthless in this game

[austere crest]

Wow, just did a Pub Auric Maelstrom on Hab Dreyko, me and a vet, no one else ever joined. It was a blast, we slayed it. Wild to do an impromptu duo lol

I like bonk

Bonk make funny noise

[brave fiber]

Always good to have a team who you don’t need to worry bout and it’s just a chill time

I’m kinda shooting myself in the foot by only playing pubs lmao

[rigid sky]

Hab Dreyko has to be one of the hardest missions to do below full strength

That final event is fucking brutal

[austere crest]

We played every aspect of that in perfect tandem, it was probably one of the best runs in dreyko ive had in a while too XD LasgunEnthusiast, i've matched with him a bunch of times, but never just the two of us.

Yeah the final scan took us forever to finally get to lol

[rigid sky]

I remember when it was a joke before they properly put the elites and specials into it

I still get the "wtf this used to be easy" feeling

[brave fiber]

Also I genuinely thought they added the smoke grenade recently because in my 300 hours of playing I’ve never seen someone use it till now

[rigid sky]

They're subtle

[brave fiber]

even then

[austere crest]

Oh yeah! Smoke grenades exist lol

[rigid sky]

Pure defensive support options are less attractive I think

[brave fiber]

Like 99% of vets use Karl

[rigid sky]

But then again psyker shield is very popular

[brave fiber]

Krak

[rigid sky]

ROCK AND STONE

[brave fiber]

True

[primal ravine]

FOR KARL

[brave fiber]

I need to play funny dwarf game again

Shame they hardly update it anymore

Excited for their new game tho

[primal ravine]

They add new cosmetics all the time

[brave fiber]

Yeah but content

Here’s to hoping rogue core is sick

Im guessing that’s where their manpower is going rn

[brave fiber]

Tbf the options are either vent or shield for staffs and realistically you only take shield if you run purg or your peril management game is on point

*or you want right side crit buffs

[rigid sky]

I like it on Trauma only tbh

[lapis violet]

which perk do i change into what?

[brave fiber]

Personally I’d do unyielding to flak or maniac dealers choice

[fallow yacht]

is this worth picking up?

[hollow current]

YES

[lapis violet]

yes tf?

[fallow yacht]

how important is Cleave Damage on Duelling?

[lapis violet]

don't care

80 on everything else

[austere crest]

its the most important stat

[fallow yacht]

and flak which is nice

[hollow current]

It already has one staple stat. You just need to get lucky with Maniac or uncanny + whatever blessing

[brave fiber]

Not at all lmao

[rigid sky]

Don't use Blazing Spirit on Voidstrike

[austere crest]

lol i kno

[lapis violet]

this text chat is on drugs i swear to god

[austere crest]

phht

[brave fiber]

Mk4 is primarily heavy spam

So cleave don’t matter

[austere crest]

Please Siblings, play off meta stuff, its more fun, and when you do go to meta, you'll be on cruise control.

[rigid sky]

If have to ask, I am not gonna recommend some marginal bullshit to you lol

[brave fiber]

Game knowledge is more important than anything

Even your build

[austere crest]

thats what im sayinn

[rigid sky]

The meta options are nexus/Surge and nexus/flurry, with flurry/transfer as an option C

[austere crest]

yeah

[brave fiber]

On the other hand blaze trauma is so comically broken I can’t help but not use it it’s so fun

[austere crest]

i guess im saying, if you learn on meta builds, it sets up not being able to handle other things/situations. The grind to lvl 30 is a whole learning experience bc u have to try diff things on the way there

[austere crest]

i think its always going to be a blast

[lapis violet]

how does unyielding to carapace sound? damage values to flak and unarmoured are the same, therefore hitting flak is like hitting unarmored

[fallow yacht]

I wish they would fix targeting - it's so obnoxious. It could just put template on the floor / object where you are aiming, instead of pulling this shit with aiming upwards...

[austere crest]

i would always go unyielding > carapace personally, it's just more common

and hurts bosses better

[brave fiber]

Carapace is decent if you hate crushers, but maniac or flak gives more value imo

[austere crest]

flak and unyielding is a deadly perk combo

[brave fiber]

Anything works

You can change it later if you want

No risk

[austere crest]

Thats the take. Yeah, anything works lol

[lapis violet]

arguably changing elite sounds better to me

kinda

since it's only 10% and i could get a 25% to flak or cara

[austere crest]

https://imgur.com/a/Selj5nI/layout/grid

here this is super helpful

[brave fiber]

eh, void isn’t known for its boss dmg

And you already destroy reapers

Bulwarks are always gonna be an issue bc they just block u

[tired estuary]

surge void headshots can do solid dmg vs boss

[austere crest]

^^ agreed, i started just meleeing them mostly, dodge the swing and jab. They are unyielding.

[brave fiber]

but bringing ye olde poker (duel mk4) is just far better imo

[lapis violet]

what do scab shooters look like that their arms are unarmored lol

pic attached i see, nevermind

[brave fiber]

Speaking of dueling mk4 with uncanny is all you ever need for any carapace enemy ever

[austere crest]

yeah

[lapis violet]

elite to cara or unyielding to cara?

[brave fiber]

Me say unyielding

elites are also nice to have bonus dmg against

[lapis violet]

this is damage breakdown btw

[brave fiber]

You’re not really gonna notice the unyielding dmg

[lapis violet]

the carapace kinda sticks out like a sore thumb to me

what all is carapace

[tired estuary]

crushers and mauler's heads

[brave fiber]

Mostly just mauler heads and all of crushers

[austere crest]

its only on a couple enemies, if you have uncanny it wont make a difference to have carapace

[lapis violet]

reaper armor bits, crusher, mauler head

[austere crest]

yeah

[lapis violet]

uncanny this uncanny that

[tired estuary]

yeah reaper has like a tiny bit of carapace lmao

[brave fiber]

And like 90% exposed skin

[lapis violet]

i used a dueling sword once and nearly blew my head off

[brave fiber]

the bladed end goes towards the enemy

not you

[lapis violet]

nah the bladed end does go to the enemy

my voidstrike ball goes towards my face whenever i have to use a dueling sword

and i always hope for a crit

giving it 1 (one) more chance

[brave fiber]

do you take true aim with void

[lapis violet]

true aim is..?

not versed in names of things

[brave fiber]

Every 5 headshots you get a guaranteed crit on your next shot

With void it’s op

[lapis violet]

brunt did kind of cook here

[tired estuary]

dw bae hadron gonna cock it up

[brave fiber]

Especially with surge blessing

[austere crest]

we should petition for void to get a faster charge rate

[upper sun]

you guys ever look through your inventory and notice a bunch of really solid profanes that you dont remember getting?

[lapis violet]

i don't think hadron is capable of bricking a 372 to the point of irredeemability

[tired estuary]

[upper sun]

ha HAHA

[lapis violet]

my forgotten zealot's collection of columbus autoguns

[brave fiber]

It’s already Uber op I don’t think that’s a good idea lol

[hollow current]

I pick up anything with good stats from the hourly.

So much so that I've started to stop because I don't know why I've done it in the first place.

[austere crest]

im 36mil in on a single staff lol she totally will.

[lapis violet]

don't mention that name in my presence i beg you

[brave fiber]

sorry

[austere crest]

lol

[lapis violet]

;-;

[upper sun]

She sure could ruin a 373

[austere crest]

jesus fuck

[lapis violet]

laughing fit

i can't

[austere crest]

it was a good modifier set too!

[lapis violet]

are you keeping it as a reminder of what can happen

[austere crest]

Its always the ones maxed with a dump stat that shit the bed, its so annoying

[brave fiber]

I once saw a real life psyker in this chat run terrifying barrage run and gun void with sprint efficiency and stamina

[lapis violet]

how do i spec this btw?

[primal ravine]

the running psyker can't hurt you

[radiant frigate]

lingering and maybe cruel fortune

[hollow current]

lingerinh influence and cruel fortune

[brave fiber]

those skills don’t exist to me tbh

[rigid sky]

30s duration, probably take the final point too

[lapis violet]

what about middle? garbo?

[primal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[radiant frigate]

useless

[brave fiber]

based

[rigid sky]

Worse than battle meditation, which is also bad

[rigid sky]

But DD is fun

[brave fiber]

Hey I like battle meditation

[lapis violet]

how haven't i learned of this before? this is awesome

[primal ravine]

This is not the place to talk about Sisters of battles breast size

[rigid sky]

So do I but it is still bad lol

[brave fiber]

but why tho

[rigid sky]

I relent, it is good with warp flurry

[tired estuary]

idk there's way better stuff to put point towards over a chance to have a small amt of peril quelled for killing a blue guy

[hollow current]

this is my assail-melee-gunker build

[brave fiber]

it’s really good if you want to stay at high peril for nexus but not quell every 5 seconds

[tired estuary]

and yeah like other people said just take lingering and cruel fortune

[lapis violet]

🤮

[primal ravine]

peak melee psyker

[lapis violet]

missing illisi

[primal ravine]

I use deimos myself

[lapis violet]

are both the lower mk swords the lock-on ones?

[rigid sky]

Both are good with different rangeds

They're opposites effectively

[primal ravine]

I mostly use my sword to focus one target otherwise psyker have better stuff for horde clearing than a piece of metal

[rigid sky]

But what if you aren't using a horde clearer

[primal ravine]

Like what?

[rigid sky]

If you are gun psyker, you'd want an Illisi over Deimos imo

[primal ravine]

Gun psyker are not real

[upper sun]

does in fire reborn trigger by killing an enemy using soulblaze or killing an enemy who has soulblaze stacks?

[rigid sky]

Surge, Gun, arguably Voidstrike

[rigid sky]

The voices in my head say you aren't real

[primal ravine]

I run surge with venting shriek never been overpowered by a horde

[rigid sky]

Gun psyker is craziest psyker

And with psyker crazy is best

[primal ravine]

other build is purge with bubble

[brave fiber]

Surge is the only staff that can’t deal with hordes but even then you take smite + shriek so you’re gucci

[rigid sky]

Not saying your way doesn't work

Just saying there are other ways that are equally valid :)

[primal ravine]

exactly how I run surge lol

[upper sun]

if the staff doesnt have good clear youd need a weapon or a blitz that has good clear

[primal ravine]

I don't know everyone praise illisi and I've never felt the need for it

if anything a DC is better at horde clearing

[brave fiber]

^^^^^^ SAME

[upper sun]

illisi is love illisi is life

[rigid sky]

Illisi feels fucking amazing

[brave fiber]

I love the sword but why use it when I can just point blank spam my staff

[rigid sky]

It is joy

Do we not play for joy?

[primal ravine]

Illisi regular attack are so weak tho

[brave fiber]

I reserve my melee slot to ds4 for schmoovement and poking crushers in the head

[upper sun]

because illisi has better clear than surge

[rigid sky]

You speak the bull shit.

Slaughterer is gud

On illisi

[dim parrot]

Illisi my beloved

the attack pattern is very lovely

[primal ravine]

illisi got something like 1xx damage on regular attack and deimos got 2xx

[dim parrot]

why would I use deimos, when I could use duelling sword instead

[primal ravine]

to one shot muty with the special attack

or any special for that matter

[dim parrot]

u can do that with duelling

[primal ravine]

unlimited dodge over dueling

[dim parrot]

unlimited dodge?

[rigid sky]

Don't need special lol

H2 does it

[upper sun]

the issue with deimos is the animation lock on special but other than that its really nice

[brave fiber]

They don’t have that anymore

Unfortunately

[dim parrot]

ye hate the lock, wich is why I never use it

[primal ravine]

you can break it mid animation just doesn't do the full damage

[upper sun]

yes but you run the risk of not having the damage apply

[rigid sky]

Only use Special if you don't think you can land the combo, or if it's Carapace, imo

Or for StYlE PoInTs

[primal ravine]

carapace hate this one simple trick

[rigid sky]

Which is 99% of what psyker is about

[primal ravine]

also stagger crusher so its gucci

[radiant frigate]

special lock is pretty cringe

[radiant frigate]

this is illisi slander

[primal ravine]

nobody have time to charge attack, if I'm charging something it is my staff sir

can we all agree that the obscurus sword sucks tho

[lapis violet]

wait do i aim assail by holding right click on a specific enemy>

[brave fiber]

It locks on yeah

[upper sun]

does the animation cancelling thing actually work or what i tried it a couple of times and either nothing or only a light attack applies

[primal ravine]

Like I said you can cancel the lock but only a light attack applies, basically the lock is a brainburst

[dim parrot]

yes, yes we can

the forgotten child

[primal ravine]

no point charging an attack with deimos as heavy and light attack have the same damage

[lapis violet]

what's the obscurus do?

[upper sun]

soo whats the point if only a light attack applies?

[dim parrot]

make u sad

[upper sun]

nothing

[primal ravine]

everything, but not good at nothing

[dim parrot]

[lapis violet]

yes that makes sense

[brave fiber]

baby's first force sword

[lapis violet]

but what's the activation tho

lock on?

[primal ravine]

we give them to prisoners it's not like they could be dangerous with it

[upper sun]

even longer than deimos

[dim parrot]

u mean our former selves?

[primal ravine]

No I mean the one they keep locked for the big E to swallow

[dim parrot]

f to our siblings that r still in prison

[primal ravine]

you can shave some time off a full lock getting all damage if you dodge as soon as the palm open

[olive ember]

Obscures used to be good and then they released the two variants smh

And then they powercrept the game smh

[hollow current]

pulling some sick moves.

[primal ravine]

Why are you posting video of sonic the hedghog

[brave fiber]

if you want to go fast use a knife

run fast

die fast

[upper sun]

were here for a fun time not a long time

[hollow current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1209017467645468692/The_Great_Escape.mp4?ex=65e56442&is=65d2ef42&hm=e633124952922279dac4894d21ffc6d819b18a31a98c19160e1a6ccc7dbea480&
I'm an acolyte of speed.

[rich spindle]

Lebron James Reportedly Brings Assail And Laspistol Build To Scab-Only Maelstorm

[rigid sky]

Running with swords is very dangerous

...to heretics

[brave fiber]

man i need precog

riposte is not nearly as good

[hollow current]

Precog is amazing for taking on elites.

[radiant frigate]

i like the new soundtrack for this clip

[hollow current]

I think it was this one that came up on autoplay for me. https://youtu.be/Oaw_Wy6XDFk

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[long wharf]

I'd so be playing Last Epoch right now if their servers weren't down

[haughty star]

God damn it I'm actually gonna have to play to find out how good bb is now aren't I

[eager token]

you missed the PLASTEEEEEEEL

[haughty star]

I was gonna give you shit for running ahead and team dying but they in front of you

[hollow current]

Yeah that part of the clip haunts me. I swear I spammed e a few time but it just didn't pick up and I kept going.

[hollow current]

I was fully intending to leave the vet in the dust after the first group of maulers because the end event was a 7 minute shit show that annoyed me but the second group blocked me. That said as speedy as I am, I try not to go further than a room ahead when the current one is mostly cleared.

[hexed geyser]

What's the talent tree if you don't mind posting it? (and the laspistol because i never made one)

[orchid shadow]

Huh, they changed up the first interrogation section for Excise Vault. They made it a lot easier for enemies to get to you.

[stone canyon]

Melk being very generous tonight

[potent echo]

No more shooter push back is wild now I don't even know if I'm being shot at

[stone canyon]

That ColumnusV so good im not even sure what to change in it. Maybe infested to something else? +5% crit or Maniac?

[cosmic sigil]

Elites is good too

[potent echo]

Maniac is a safe choice, killing flamers and trappers quicker is always nicr

[cosmic sigil]

It already shreds maniacs

[potent echo]

Shreddier

[cosmic sigil]

The dreg rager is maniac elite so...

I like the +5 Crit chance

[stone canyon]

Yeah crit would help with Crushers too

[potent echo]

Critchance might be good too because ciag has crazy multipliers

[cosmic sigil]

I think I would go Crit chance

[stone canyon]

And 4 bullet crit string

[potent echo]

If you crit HS a mutant it just dies

[cosmic sigil]

Just keep the blessings as is

[stone canyon]

Went with that, can always change if it feels lacking somehow

[static needle]

Is there a hud mod so that I can move the DD stacks counter?

I dont want it to move based on the other buffs, I want it static so i can easily divert my eyes to a set spot and see how many stacks i got

[hollow current]

I've mostly used the laspistol on the left, though I'm going to try the one on the right. The important things are dumdum and unyielding so you can deal with bosses.

[hexed geyser]

Thanks for the late answer, i'll try that soon 😅

[hollow current]

I was away 😝 . Hopefully it's not too difficult to use.

[hexed geyser]

Well i'm used to psyker and ds4 it cant be too much worse lol

Would you also use a columnus with that build?

[hollow current]

Yeah you can do columnus. I just prefer the las pistol for the quick draw.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1209527213469212712/BRRRRT.mp4?ex=65e73eff&is=65d4c9ff&hm=7935039b9ea70ade36faef4ebd955068d007bde42594eff1f82a7cd67701ccd7&

[wind spruce]

There's a mod called buff HUD improvements which gives you a second buff bar

It also let's you hide certain buffs entirely

[potent echo]

Technically yes, there's one that lets you set priority buffs

[feral knoll]

For the Blessed by Fate penance. It mentions to use Psykinetic’s Wrath (unupgraded shriek name) to survive peril explosion

Can I use the upgraded version to unlock this still?

Just weird wording. I assume upgraded shriek is fine but that’s the unupgraded shriek name

[urban sandal]

the penances were made before the talent tree and upgraded skills were added

but yeah you can use the upgraded version

[wind spruce]

Terrifying Garbage* fixed the name

[barren lintel]

its to do the purg 100% blessings trick

[wind spruce]

Ah fair

[limber silo]

What is the trick?

[barren lintel]

Upgrade Purg to Green, if the perk is perfect, go to blue, change blessing to TB4, then fully upgrade the weapon, you will increase your chances tremendously to get either warp flurry 4 or or Warp Nexus 4

[limber silo]

That actually makes sense

Wow

[untold meteor]

I like both for gunker but I can't decide which I prefer more

[upper sun]

Ok im gonna need to know if you threatened hadron or bribed her for that

[wind spruce]

I'll just add that this works with any weapon, although purg benefits the most from the method due to the small blessing pool.

[austere crest]

this bb stuff is driving me mad

[radiant frigate]

you should cast bb on the enemy, not on yourself

don't give in to the voices

[urban sandal]

yeah the hand jittering when bb should be going off has been affecting me a lot since the patch

last patch was the sitting at full for 2 seconds before it actually goes off like in the 2nd clip

[austere crest]

its so inconsistent, but the speed is nice with the update

[tribal sparrow]

🤔 why do you need to know the 00.00 of your warp peril?

or do you just like see number go BRRRR

[spice veldt]

peril rounds to nearest so i suppose there's the niche of knowing if you're in between 99.5% and 100%

[tribal sparrow]

and youd need that 0.1% of the time?

[spice veldt]

prolly

they're also playing on a 4k monitor so i imagine that the extra digits makes it easier to see from the cornner of your eye

[tribal sparrow]

perhaps

idk

i hide hud lol

[rigid sky]

I guess it means you can fire one more staff LMB safely or activate your force sword one more time

[tribal sparrow]

🤔 perhaps

[austere crest]

i forget why now, but im just used to it more than anything, i like that granular aspect vs jumping numbers tho

[tribal sparrow]

understandble!!!! also number go brrrrr

[austere crest]

this mf

[bold badger]

oof that sucks

[sullen sphinx]

Yea, that's weird

That's why I'm using Smite or Trauma on those guys, not going closely to them

[upper sun]

maybe if you had some armor this wouldnt happen

[blazing drift]

what u guys think of the current pskyer skin?

[upper sun]

Well I love the lower and upper body parts as usual

[rigid sky]

Mfers on reddit be like "ew gun psyker"

"Get a staff or go back to veteran"

Like veteran is a fraction as cool as gunker

[urban sandal]

there's a few spawn doors that do that

got them printed into my mind since that bullshit always happens to me

that one is probably the worst offender though

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s OK for what it is

It’s not exactly what my Psyker would wear, but it’s fine

[hollow jolt]

I wish the psyker skins had more armor :c

Always liked how warhammer's casters are usually good fighters as well

[upper sun]

you clearly have never bound your tag button to attack

[hollow jolt]

Play purg psyker -> bind ping to attack

[rigid sky]

Good gods I ran into that once and it made me want to leave lol

I ping a lot but uncontrolled pinging just feels meaningless

But I guess better than no pinging at all

[upper sun]

i wish they would add a silent tag option

[hollow jolt]

I prefer constant pinging over no pinging

Even the aurics are terrible at comms

[upper sun]

but its soo much fucking easier instead of tagging stuff then aiming doing it in one step

[rigid sky]

People don't understand that the strongest weapon rejects have is the ping

[rigid sky]

The ping helps me line my shot up

It's gotta be 2 steps for me

But usually separated by about 0.2s

[hollow jolt]

It helps inform allies too like when a burster is coming but I can't kill

[upper sun]

like you would have 12% damage extra damage 24/7 if vet uses it all the time

silent tags would actually make me play vet just for that

[rigid sky]

Ping basically = a delayed "fuck this fucker up"

[hollow jolt]

The funny part is finding out a Vet has ping keystone and just isn't using it lol

[upper sun]

ye exactly why ping something as vet when you can kill it

[hollow jolt]

Lmao what

[upper sun]

buut the tag/attack combo isnt as annoying if you use a torrent fire weapon or say a plasma gun

[rigid sky]

Somebody's gonna murder it

[hollow jolt]

If pinging slows you down to the point it affects your gameplay, I don't think ping is the issue

[rigid sky]

Not saying it slows me down, I'm saying it murders heretics lol

[hollow jolt]

Hence why Purg staff and recons should ALWAYS do it

[hollow jolt]

Oh my bad, I interpreted it as "delaying" the target's death

[upper sun]

its not exactlu about slowing down you would apply the best amount of stacks per shot on the target

[upper sun]

"I have zero range and my BB takes too long pls help"

[hollow jolt]

Na its not worth it for Vets to wait for stacks

[upper sun]

yeah dont wait for stacks use them as you get them

[hollow jolt]

4% every 2 seconds is a bit long imo

[upper sun]

youd use more stacks over all for tag attack but the annoyance is not worth it

not to mention you are making your team focus on something that may not be an issue

[hollow jolt]

Weirdly I find people shoot Vet pings more

I guess its because its yellow and special looking?

[upper sun]

prolly

[rigid sky]

Just ping as soon as your target goes down

[rigid sky]

Yellow feels like higher priority

[upper sun]

too many buttons for my smooth purge staff brain

[hollow jolt]

I always ping as Vet just to refresh buffs

[hollow jolt]

True and technically you do more damage

[hollow jolt]

Vet is one of the easier classes imo if you build around ping

A 48% damage buff distributed around your team 🤔

[upper sun]

sorry i cant aim

[rigid sky]

The talent trees are more difficult imo

[hollow jolt]

That's the best part, you don't need to

[rigid sky]

Too many options

[hollow jolt]

Ping activates on ally kills too

[rigid sky]

Not clear which are actually worthwhile without spreadsheeting

[hollow jolt]

Yeah the better builds are very strict on points sadly

[upper sun]

eh silent pings are still needed imo

[rigid sky]

The sound helps me a lot

Maybe squelch for 3s after a ping

[hollow jolt]

Ah that's actually easy as if you literally put all your points in the middle. You actually make a decent Vet

[rigid sky]

So it can't be spammed

[hollow jolt]

Vet is weird where all the good talents are in the middle but the best talants are spread around the left and right

[upper sun]

yeah same but pinging something just for yourself is also useful if you dont want your team to lose focus on what theyre doing and focus on the thing thats already dead

[rigid sky]

Experimenting is easier on the others though, I don't like to full lock 1 style

[hollow jolt]

Indeed

Though I wish Psykinetic Aura could be taken with Assail

[rigid sky]

It puts me off Vet a lot

[rigid sky]

I kinda like that it can't, I would just feel pigeonholed into Assail too much otherwise

It's part of what sometimes pushes me to BR

[hollow jolt]

I use assail so I want it

[rigid sky]

Without feeling like I'm throwing lol

[upper sun]

yeah some games with bubble BB i can manage having two bubbles at the same time with it

[hollow jolt]

Such is life :c

After 2 heavy nerfs to assail, its still a strong pick

[upper sun]

still a good option if you dont have anything long ranged or you're playing the ammo maelstrom

[hollow jolt]

I miss the good old days

[upper sun]

GO AHEAD SHOOT SOMETHING

[hollow jolt]

Won a duo maelatrom by just bubbling our way through :p

[upper sun]

also im pretty sure bubble still randomly blocks dogs

[rigid sky]

Also great for voidstrike and gunker for different reasons

Hard to track laterally moving targets with Voidstrike

Assail fucks em nice and easy

[upper sun]

i really love it for picking off snipers

[rigid sky]

I love when you have SG and DD both up and it oneshots anything smaller than a Mauler

[quartz barn]

You can still get 3 bubbles up when theres a lot of elites on maelstrom or auric, but 4 is sadly borderline impossible

[spice oar]

Any new interesting play options for psyker from the new patch? I've heard BB is good

[urban sandal]

the buff to bb was the only real change

however the buff only works if you're using kinetic resonance or whatever the speed buff after ability usage is, or using EP

or both

makes it easier to take down conga lines of specialists and gives higher dps on bosses/ogryns

[rigid sky]

Assail also got a bug fixed that now brings it down a bit iirc

You can't apply uncanny to it for example

Which relatively boosts BR as a choice

[austere crest]

listen, i just clutched a maeltrom 3 times for 3 zealots on my team, im a survivor, I'm not gone give up, I'm a survivor, keep on survivin. Till I die. Then I'm dead.

Felt cuter in my head

The voices lied

[upper sun]

ur naked

[austere crest]

no u

i hate when u have to work and u know scab only/mostly melee is up

its so nice not getting shot at as much

[upper sun]

I love the cooldown ones and the melee ones

[austere crest]

its nice to not feel the need for the dodge ranged on crit node and getting that sweet sweet damage node instead

oh yes oh yes

gimme all da cooldowns

[upper sun]

I uhhhh

does this mean i have to go gunker now?

[austere crest]

dayum

worth it

[upper sun]

until hardon gets her hooks on it yeah

[rigid sky]

Would be nice to swap mobility with ammo

[upper sun]

false alarm everyone

[rigid sky]

Fucking toaster asshole :(

[austere crest]

jesus fuck

[rigid sky]

That is a real abomination

[austere crest]

as much as the extra sprint is fun, it sucks that its an option

[upper sun]

wasnt meant to be back to staves

[rigid sky]

Don't give up

Gunker is the hidden 5th class and it is sick as fuck

[upper sun]

my first ~10 hours in the game i played recon psyker

[austere crest]

do you tank yourself up with gun psyker?

[hollow jolt]

Gun psyker bad, Melee Psyker good

[upper sun]

I'll just roll whatever good stuff i find in the store

[upper sun]

idk i try not to remember what i did back then

[upper sun]

I have 5 good illisis and zero deimos and dueling

[hollow jolt]

Be luckier

[upper sun]

for some reason my store shits out 370+ illisis but nothing else

and somehow they all get flak+something usable

[rigid sky]

Well Recon is certainly... a choice...

CIAG 4 lyfe

[upper sun]

I didnt know any better ok?! the friend who got me into the game played 5 matches in a row with me then decided he "had to work"

lucky i had the guide or else who knows you might have seen vent smite gunker

[rigid sky]

Also pre-13 Gunker is a totally different beast to modern Gunker

[upper sun]

were talking like a week before twins

[rigid sky]

Ah ok

Still, Disrupt Destiny makes a big difference too but you weren't that far off a proper gunker

[upper sun]

yeah

[rigid sky]

Just that final magic multiplier

[cosmic sigil]

Auto pistol gunker ❤️ those were the days

[vivid estuary]

question: las-pistol or stub pistol?

[rigid sky]

For me Las. Psyker likes fast Finesse guns

Laspistols and CIAG are the best choices. Would probably favour Accatran in particular

Unstable damage bonuses favour a fast RoF

[vivid estuary]

I've been using the stub pistol for gunker and it's pretty good, honestly I find it better than the las

the las-pistol has a faster firerate and more magazine, but the stub pistol does way more damage per shot and has more supression

went from 3-5 shots to kill armored specials to just 1-3

[rigid sky]

I like CIAG because autofire feels great

Cone of death

[vivid estuary]

Plus the stub pistol has the "hand cannon" blessing, which gives it a bunch of rending on crits

[rigid sky]

Yeah, the one weakness my CIAG build has is crushers

I either have to Illisi them which isn't great or just dump half a mag into them under SG

[vivid estuary]

I've been able to two shot crushers, bulwarks are the annoying ones

[rigid sky]

I like the run speed talent for SG for those

Makes it easier to skate around their guard

[vivid estuary]

i run shield wall so I can usually just stun them if they're close enough

it's also really funny catching mutants and hounds with it

[rigid sky]

Ah, yeah I like Scrier's Gaze/Disrupt Destiny too much for gunker

Think we talked about this before lol

[vivid estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/never-get-on-gif-7163062975330736707

[safe ingot]

I prefer to run dome shield because I've had gunners end runs more than any other enemy (for all characters I play, barring Veteran).

[rigid sky]

Mm, I find all 3 of the abilities deal with them very well

Shriek with Flames has amazing range and can kill them

Shield protecc

SG + DD Assails or Gun kills them very efficiently

[safe ingot]

It's usually a LOT of gunners; Like 4-6 gunners.

[rigid sky]

Trouble with shield is it can fade fast under fire

Dome will always last at least 6s

And that can be enough to clear the gunners out

It is actually great

But I like SG lol, the dps and playstyle of it is very addictive

Shield great for short range weapons like Trauma imo

[safe ingot]

These days I use the Trauma staff a lot, so yeah

[rigid sky]

It makes a huge difference for that imo

Enhanced psionics brain rupture under a dome can kill the gunners surprisingly quickly

[upper sun]

why the hell is hunting grounds less dockets than shocktrooper

i wanna quick play t4 auric but knowing my luck its gonna be the one mission i dont want

[meager pecan]

hab dreyko?

[bronze hound]

Is there any way not to be a little bit more tankier? I'm not trying to be a zealot will dozens of dmg reductions and everything, but is there any possible way not to be on the floor on 3 hits?

[upper sun]

habzone yeah

[meager pecan]

i keep getting that one b2b when its the only one on the board in quickplay

only one of that map i mean

[upper sun]

the worst quick play i got was i think the torrent where i spawned in with 70% hp and two dead teammates

throughout the mission we cycled like 4 players until we got a team good enough to blast through it with ease

[rigid sky]

Psyker is all about active defense

You have to abuse your very fast toughness regen

Getting hit in the back by 3 bruisers at once is just always gonna be death

Nothing you can do apart from try not to get hit

But we have amazing passive dodge, near infinite blocking ability

The possibility of keeping all the heretics on their ass for a whole fight

Incredible raw damage in some builds

It's very feast or famine

Glass cannon style

[bronze hound]

My build must be the wrong then, I'm very used to dodge and not to get hit, but eventually we all will be hit, and that's what makes me thing there must be a way not to get downed in a critical situation in 3 hits.

[upper sun]

yes dodging

[rigid sky]

Positioning, awareness, and help from your team

It's OK to get hit

It's not OK to get hit twice in a short space of time

But also empathic evasion is crazy

It's like, crit and you autododge ranged attacks for 1s i think?

[bronze hound]

So stacking toughness and hp won't change the game

[rigid sky]

And psyker shits out crits like it's eaten a gas station sushi burrito

[rigid sky]

It will mitigate a bit

But not enough really

I do 2x toughness and 1x stamina

[brave fiber]

psyker is second to zealot in how well they synergize with crit

It’s really good

[rigid sky]

Which stretches out the effect of Kinetic deflection a lot

[upper sun]

whats the upload limit here for non nitro?

[rigid sky]

You wanna take at least Quietude and Soulstealer from the top of the tree for survival

And probably Mettle too depending on your specific build

The top of tree stuff is super important for Psyker

[upper sun]

assuming i can convert this before chat changes topics were pretty much adcs

[rigid sky]

This is Psyker chat, not Zealot lol

We ain't that fast

[spice veldt]

don't tempt the devil(s)

[mighty cipher]

I have never in my life seen more moronic players than while trying to level my ogryn

I've had TWO people look at a daemonhost, think for a second, and than lay into it like a lobotomised monkey.

[upper sun]

like here 100% my fuck up for being in the wrong place but the ogryn could have staggered the crusher instead of lol failing a dodge

[mighty cipher]

Lmao

[upper sun]

you can see the little second where i stopped attacking and accepted my death

[mighty cipher]

I dont think that 100% your fault

[static needle]

btw, stability is the dump stat. It wont make a noticable difference in the slightest

[mighty cipher]

You got forced into the corner

[rigid sky]

Man I don't always think to use the special attack Stun on overheads

[upper sun]

could have jumped over and hung around there

[rigid sky]

Shit does happen

[mighty cipher]

Thats 160 points of fall damage though

Trust me, I found out the fun way

[upper sun]

[radiant frigate]

crusher jumpscare

[spice veldt]

rumbled

[upper sun]

need that fov at 200

[spice veldt]

those instances also kill me a lot since i don't even see the overhead, usually blocked by another crusher

[hollow current]

When the tip of one overhead phases through the crusher in front of you and snipes your toe.

[feral knoll]

No heretics allowed. Plain and simple

[upper sun]

when you're scanning and see a little red dot next to you

[mighty cipher]

MAKE IT THREE

[feral knoll]

Psyker is probably the one class I had trouble leveling up. Because shriek and brain burst are weird to learn

[mighty cipher]

IM GOING TO KILL MYSELF

[feral knoll]

Especially when it’s like “I can pop everyone’s head. But should I?”

[rigid sky]

Easier now I guess

Assail gud

[upper sun]

going from assail back to bb i had so many miss casts

[rigid sky]

Brain Rupture is a more specialised tool

[feral knoll]

Once I got something beside BB it kind of became easier

[rigid sky]

Especially since it doesn't do warp charges now

[upper sun]

assail is king in lower levels

[feral knoll]

Assail is king on anything that’s a trash horde enemy

[static needle]

If yall rated the staves in terms of efficiency, how would u rank them in order

and this is assuming u can build them any way you like

[rigid sky]

They Are All Great (and CIAG is an honorary staff)

[feral knoll]

My favorite spell. Bullet

[static needle]

I personally think the trauma is the best due to its amazing CC and good damage

[upper sun]

i havent had any good trauma or voids yet so i cant comment on those but i think surge falls off in higher threat levels

[rigid sky]

Literally, play what you do best with

[static needle]

nothing can hit you if you have a trauma

[rigid sky]

Or what you feel like

[static needle]

how about surge staff tho? i feel like its not worth running compared to a voidstrike with flurry and nexus

[rigid sky]

Crushers are immune for long enough to land a swing after the first stagger now

[feral knoll]

Surge falls off a bit IMO. (I still play it a lot and love it)

Purg. I honestly don’t know how to rate

Trauma and Void. Good

[rigid sky]

But they die fast enough under Trauma spam that they won't get the chance

[upper sun]

surge is great at t4 and below

[static needle]

huh? they are immune??

[spice veldt]

they get a period of stagger immunity after being staggered

[rigid sky]

They gain immunity for a few seconds

[static needle]

why are we even discussing playing heresy? this is heresy

[rigid sky]

Then it wears off

This is quite new

[feral knoll]

I just like Surge cause lightning zap time

(It is very silly with Smite too)

[upper sun]

welllll then dont even look at surge

[spice veldt]

it's been around for a while, though i don't know if they've changed the length
I do know that they made it so that medium stagger also triggers the immunity

when it was only heavy stagger (knockdown) that triggered it before

[static needle]

i dont think it's that underwhelming

[upper sun]

the two target only hit rate is not that great when you have hoards of heavies coming at you

[rigid sky]

1.5 really lol

Second target takes low damage

[upper sun]

the best thing about it is that it can one shot a lot of elites even from behind cover if it locks on correctly but the number of targets matters

[rigid sky]

Prefer Void personally

[gaunt seal]

Surge has nice crit bonuses, but is it worth taking 5% crit chance over an armor type and is there a better blessing than warp flurry? Also… how do you hit weak spots with surge, is it random?

[rigid sky]

Flurry/Nexus is king

Idk about perks tbh

[upper sun]

elites flak

pretty much bang on perfect

[paper loom]

other than gunner reists whats handy on a curio?

its my +1 wound one

[primal ravine]

more dockets to get rich

[radiant frigate]

wound curios 💀

[paper loom]

i have 600k

[primal ravine]

you need more dockets

[paper loom]

haha i like the buffer so run just 1 wound

i havent the reactions of an 18 yr on G fuel im 45

[radiant frigate]

that's fair

[primal ravine]

you'll need dockets for your retirement

[radiant frigate]

but perhaps you could have the reactions of a 45 year old on gfuel

[paper loom]

tho saying that i just did a Auric without getting hit once

just a shame i blew myself up twice lol

[radiant frigate]

your reflexes are alive and well

now you just need to stop listening to the voices and you're good 👍🏻

[paper loom]

haha

[tawny pebble]

the feeling of consistently starting to carry runs is kind of odd

like, am i just unlucky with matchmaking, or am i actually getting gud

[upper sun]

had a game with 2 knife vets and a zealot

swear to fucking emperor no one stayed in coherency

[tawny pebble]

was the zealot also a knifer

[radiant frigate]

i generally find that the more knives a match has, the worse it is

[upper sun]

nope heavy axe

[upper sun]

we did great in t5 auric

until the end

one guy got downed i died trying to save him then everyone else

[wet belfry]

Actual good knife zealots might aswell just play solo

They dont need anybody else.

Which is probably what they are doing

[tawny pebble]

I swear on the Throne, people lately don't know what a Hunting Grounds is

[upper sun]

they were good but it was horrifying for me since no one stayed near the other

like some how we got to coolant rod part all at 90% health

[hollow jolt]

Hunting ground is funny

People will just walk into the open

[tawny pebble]

i swear

it's like they forget the hounds come in two waves too

[primal ravine]

spending 2M dockets to get no good staff is crazy

[stone canyon]

The moment you feel you on top of your game and its going really smooth. Assassin boss scene comes and sudden rager rush from behind, overheating yourself to save others and then doing that right next to flaming barrel 🤷‍♂️ 🔥

[primal ravine]

that was hot

[stone canyon]

But its nice feeling when you get that rhytm of hard hitting critting blazing traumas comboed with constant dodgeslides

Can just surf on the hordes and make em burn and explode

[distant quartz]

What ways can i do to increase assail damage?

Or efficiency in general

[plucky flax]

First game in a while 1 mil damage

[rigid sky]

DD and SG are a good combo if you do guns

DD alone if you do Voidstrike

Warp Charges and Enhanced Psionics do it too

Warp Rider

There's that talent that increases Warp damage after a non-warp kill

[tawny pebble]

i can't believe i survived the 20 crusher special after it wiped my squad

what the fuck AI director

there's a sneaking suspicion I'm not ready for aurics after going through that lol

[elder glade]

"oops! All crushers."

[brave fiber]

gotta say I doubted blaze trauma for a while then melk randomly dropped a god roll for me and I haven’t looked back since

[upper sun]

after losing one auric at the final section without one person being downed the entire time

i am ready for a silly little t3 mael

[rigid sky]

Seems like it should be a gimmick

But it's so fucking strong lol

[brave fiber]

I’m so upset at how effective it is

I feel like it just invalidates every other staff lmao

[rigid sky]

Voidstrike is sick as fuck too

That's still better single target dps

Also blaze Trauma needs to be peril edged more

[brave fiber]

Void is S tier but trauma is like Z tier

[plucky flax]

How good is your blaze trauma?

[brave fiber]

one sec

[upper sun]

wtf since when does bb not kill muties?

[rigid sky]

Isn't Z the worst?

[rigid sky]

Forever lol

Takes 2-3

It can contribute though, still good to hit it if you get a good lockon

[rigid sky]

Praise the karkin Emperor

[plucky flax]

Not bad.

[brave fiber]

the only thing I can complain about is tier 3 maniac

And that’s stretching

[plucky flax]

I prefer crit chance but maniac is good too.

[little rapids]

i dont get why

isnt crit chance super important on blaze trauma

what will maniac do for u

[plucky flax]

Let you 1 shot flamer.

[little rapids]

hmm ok

[plucky flax]

Wait no, trapper.

Without crit.

Not like trapper is a problem for trauma though.

Cos you just knock it on its ass anyway.

[little rapids]

literally every enemy

lol

honestly i think trauma's stagger is kinda crazy.

[plucky flax]

Yeah melee scab only + blaze trauma is ultra meme fun.

Everything burn and ragdoll around.

[brave fiber]

These the skills I use. Battle meditation is a comfort skill, ik something else for survivability is prob better but I don’t get hit often

[little rapids]

also i learned the surge animation cancel tech and now i feel gimped whenevr i dont use it

can i wipe my memory somehow?

[little rapids]

kinetic deflection 🥺

[plucky flax]

It's good but not needed. I barely did blitz cancel earlier and got 1 mil damage.

[brave fiber]

I run 3x gunner dmg reduction so idc about that tbh

[plucky flax]

Tbh I'm just too lazy for it.

[brave fiber]

Tho it is good

[little rapids]

but it lets u block dh and fun stuff :3

[tawny pebble]

yeah, deflector i've been toying with getting rid of

but kinetic deflection is too fun to tank with

[plucky flax]

425 melee kills with just slaughterer. I don't need any other damage amp blessing with illisi.

[upper sun]

😦 i have to take executor with illisi because no slaughterer yet

[little rapids]

oof

[plucky flax]

Not even tier 3?

[little rapids]

ive always been quite good at finding blessings, but awful at getting good rolls from brunt

[brave fiber]

I have a hard time justifying taking force swords over ds4 it’s unfortunate

[upper sun]

I do yeah

i need it for my surge build tho so no rush

somehow i ended up with 4 good illisis and zero deimos so i run an uncanny executor one with purge

[rigid sky]

Deimos and DS4 are interchangeable, but Illisi is a totally different animal

Obscurus can go fuck itself ofc

But Illisi works great with Voidstrike, Guns and Surge imo

[brave fiber]

for me it’s too much overlap for wave clear options I don’t feel like I ever need it

[rigid sky]

You really want horde clear on your weapons for those, while Purgatus and Trauma prefer a single target weapon

[brave fiber]

Deimos is great but I think ds4 is a lot more mobile and brainless in how good it is

[haughty star]

Illisii goes really well with a surge build

[rigid sky]

I only use Deimos when I want deflector tbh

I think DS4 is more fluid

But I like deflector a lot lol

[haughty star]

Deflectors weird

[rigid sky]

My Illisi is Slaughterer/Bloodthirsty, which isn't what I wanted initially but I love how it interacts with Mettle so I'm keeping it

[haughty star]

You're almost as safe just using that peril to lmb spam everything with a muzzle flash

[brave fiber]

Lowkey wish illisi special leaned more into the horde clear aspect by removing the single target burst but making the buff linger for like 3 seconds after you hit something

[little rapids]

yeah illisi special is kinda weird cuz u are better off just spam attack usually

tbh the force swords are amazing for their push and attacks, i rarely use their specials

and deflector ofc

[spice veldt]

special spam is certainly better for any measure of density and against ragers

let me put it this way
if you're just using the normals on the illisi, just go and use the obscurus

[rigid sky]

Special helps get Slaughterer rolling

Pierces armour better I think?

[spice veldt]

basically the same

175% against unyielding and 75% against carapace

compared to the normal's 65% against carapace

[rigid sky]

And it's great with Bloodthirsty and Mettle

Huh, tbf I never really tested it

[spice veldt]

i have the numbers memorized back when i was on the illisi grindset

[little rapids]

is this saying obscurus good or just a joke for saying i am wasting the illisi potential

[spice veldt]

wasting the illisi's potential

[little rapids]

Lol thought so

[spice veldt]

as a measure of comparison

[primal ravine]

nah deimos is where it's at

[spice veldt]

not to say that it's bad but it's just suboptimal

since the obscurus is still a fine but overshadowed weapon

[primal ravine]

the obscurus is doing everything but badly

[spice veldt]

i haven't bothered to do any timing tests this patch but the damage profiles are roughly the same as patch 12

in patch 12, special heavy spam was roughly 2x better than normal spam, albeit done in an a very ideal test scenario

[rigid sky]

No. The correct weapon for the correct job.

[spice veldt]

there's some range of how much better it is depending on how much density it is, but 2x in the ideal case is a fair bit of leeway

the obscurus does stuff fine

[rigid sky]

Deimos if your ranged handles hordes well (Purgatus, Trauma, Flurry Voidstrike)

[spice veldt]

it's still a weapon with force sword damage profiles and with their blessings

[primal ravine]

I run my deimos with surge and i'm doing fine vs horde

[rigid sky]

Illisi if your ranged handles hordes poorly

[spice veldt]

and you could do better if you wished to

[rigid sky]

Sure you do, but you could handle them better with a good Illisi

[spice veldt]

it's a matter of what you want for your build

if you're content with the deimos, that's fine

[primal ravine]

nah illisi is hella overrated

[spice veldt]

in what world is it overrated

[rigid sky]

You can win with a grey recon lasgun and a grey tac axe 2 if you play really well

[spice veldt]

most people run the deimos/ds4 here

including me

i think i've appropriately rated it

[rigid sky]

Your voices are smoking the aslume, sibling

[primal ravine]

nah everyone keep praising illisi here lmao

[rigid sky]

I praise both

Because I am not stupid

[spice veldt]

of course i'm going to praise the illisi because everybody else already praises the deimos/ds4

i've not seen you here for long and you're already making a mischaracterization of this chat

[rigid sky]

It's not like Deimos has no horde clear

[primal ravine]

I've been here since beta my dude

[hollow current]

I feel like Illi praise isn't too far behind DS4. Deimos feels more obscure but maybe that's me

[rigid sky]

Not saying it's worthless against multitarget

But if you think it's as efficient in multitarget you're blind.

[rigid sky]

It just isn't at all, very obviously.

[brave fiber]

Psyker chat is filled with irl psykers

[primal ravine]

because you think discord keeps track of everytime I remove a server? you're funy

[rigid sky]

If my Voidstrike is oneshotting any rager, mutant, 2-shotting crushers

Why the fuck would I take a Deimos over it

[primal ravine]

void is crazy good at horde clearing tho

[rigid sky]

To just do the same job

Again

[spice veldt]

hmm lemme see

[rigid sky]

Depends on the void

[brave fiber]

One shot with surge

[rigid sky]

More to do with Disrupt Destiny actually

Makes it more reliable for it

And void does do hordes well in depth, not width. You can still get pressured.

[spice veldt]

at least from your message logs, you were here at 11/23/2022 and then you joined back at 12/06/23

you can be the one to provide me an accurate date of when you left, then

[rigid sky]

Illisi kills the pressure better than any other psyker melee

[spice veldt]

either way, i haven't seen you around recently and you're already making a false characterization of this chat

it's fine to be new but don't make up shit

[brave fiber]

guys different opinions are allowed it’s ok

[rigid sky]

In short

Mind status: comparable

[primal ravine]

say the guy that say deimos is more praised than illisi

[little rapids]

NO

[rigid sky]

You just said a flat no to Illisi

I'm just saying no to your no

[brave fiber]

wah

[spice veldt]

it absolutely is

[brave fiber]

ok 😦

[little rapids]

sorry

:(

[brave fiber]

I will cry

[rigid sky]

I cannot stand heretical misinformation efforts

[spice veldt]

and i don't see how the # of people who say that they like a weapon or think its good is a good measure of how overrated it is
if that's the case, then both the illisi and deimos are overrated

go pick whatever force sword suits your needs

[little rapids]

Im sorry bear

[silent oriole]

Where could I ask for someone's help to complete Malleus Monstronum?

[little rapids]

lfg channel maybe

[upper galleon]

hmm just wondering whats the preference rn for psyker keystone with brain rupture

EP or charges

im thinking EP so i don't feel bad about pressing F

[lyric burrow]

EP is generally the better pick for it as the extra damage helps it a lot and your only doing it on elites most of the time

[upper galleon]

yee

chaining elite kills

[lyric burrow]

WC can work to get resonance more as well

[haughty star]

Illisi is best force sword becuz light saber

[distant quartz]

What does Illisi’s special do

[upper sun]

-vent purge
-double tap gunner with purge to stun him
-there was a barrel
-i am teleported into the arms of a demonhost

[feral verge]

it boosts the damage on the next swing by a bit, and more importantly massively increases the sword's cleave (the higher the cleave, the more damage done to enemies in a grouped up mass)

[haughty star]

Become lightsaber

[feral verge]

illisi is neat, but deimos is more fun

[clear bridge]

just tried Voidstrike

my god

[radiant frigate]

good

very good

[lapis violet]

using assail more and more and i'm failing to see the reason for brain burst usage

like, in one circumstance or another where you need to pick off a sniper or a bomber that's a mile away which assail can't do but

other than that? not really

[upper sun]

maybe horus was right

do you actually get good stuff from auric t5s or do I have to graduate to auric maelstrom?

[hollow current]

I don't think it gets better in maelstrom. All my rewards are either blessing fodder or extra dockets.

[upper sun]

this isnt even blessing fodder 😢

[marsh prism]

the real trick for getting good shit is brunt's roulette

[hollow current]

Getting ten good items from brunt so Hadron will only semi-cripple one by the time she's through with them.

[mental grail]

Welcome to the psyker blitz conundrum that has been in place since assail was created

Assail doesn't scale as well into damnation and auric t5 so BB carves out its place again