psyker-class

[rigid sky]

100%.

[paper lily]

have yet to have a gunker out dps me too so i just don't see the point at all really

[rigid sky]

You gotta try it at least once imo

It's an excuse to use SG

The most fun psyker ability

[paper lily]

i've used sg with staves

its just harder to manage

[ionic needle]

Get a good CIAG, grab SG and DD and hope you get a survivalist vet on your team

[rigid sky]

Most gunkers are dogshit because they don't commit

[rigid sky]

Assail helps a bunch. We are less ammo starved than a gun lugger

We get more ouchie per bullet than anybody else

[clear bridge]

Thank you, saved these

[ionic needle]

I run it with smite to get access to psykinetic aura, assail just doesn't feel good with gunker

[lapis violet]

both of these are braindead ez since you have shried

don't be a fool and you'll live

[clear bridge]

Mmm - cool!

[rigid sky]

You haven't lived until you've one-magged a boss

[clear bridge]

What do they do, broad strokes?

[lapis violet]

this one too

[ionic needle]

This shit absolutely shreds

[rigid sky]

Personally disagree, Assail one-shotting stuff under DD/SG feels great and it preserves your ammo and mag

Voidstrike with DD is lit a f too

[lapis violet]

smite/surge one is a cc heavy, burst damage heavy one. bb/purg is horde clearing extravaganza +picks through empowered psionics/bb

[ionic needle]

I just pair CIAG with DS4 to kill hordes and crushers, ammo is usually not a problem unless I go full zealot mode and decide every last heretic needs to be shot in the face

[wind spruce]

I also run smite with CIAG but assail absolutely feels good with gunker

It's at its strongest with DD

[ionic needle]

I tried it, don't really like it

[lapis violet]

purg psyker drip

smite psyker drip

[ionic needle]

Sure it makes killing hordes easier, and I can swap DS4 for knife for some extra mobility and it's easier to get DD stacks with assail but it's something about the playstyle that just doesn't feel right for me

[clear bridge]

Thank you thank you- not sure I'm psyker-literate enough to understand what all these things mean, but I will try these builds!

[lapis violet]

(no i don't have the blood-red hood. fuck this penance)

[lapis violet]

ask away about literally anything

[ionic needle]

That penance works with force sword push as well

At least it did when I did it

[wind spruce]

It's not for hordes

[lapis violet]

tried my damned hardest and still only managed this

[ionic needle]

Did you do the level with the end event where there are two bridges leading into a hacking room? It's pretty easy getting it there if you got venting shriek with a force sword and just blast a few idiots off the bridge

[spice veldt]

could also grab a dclaw with trauma and hammerblow and see if that works

hmm i wonder how much stagger you can do with both of those

[near wyvern]

EP also works. If going gaze and assail I would pick EP over DD.

[rigid sky]

I can see Smite working though tbh, especially without Illisi

Good on you for finding something that works

[clear bridge]

Is Surge just Venting Shriek in this situation?

[rigid sky]

Idk, I feel like Assail and DD are made for each other

[spice veldt]

damn not as much stagger as i thought

[clear bridge]

Also, how should I be building around crits, if at all?

[ionic needle]

Assail with EP is very nice

[near wyvern]

I do use assail and DD on my Gunker but with Creeping Flames (Shreik)

[wind spruce]

EP assail is marginally better than DD assail, but then you don't get any benefits for melee or ranged

[lapis violet]

how do you mean? you take surge staff and venting shriek, yes

very safe build

[rigid sky]

Tbh my gunker doesn't win that much, I just like to maximise the archetype and have fun with it

[near wyvern]

Yeah but if you go Gaze + Assail your build is fighting against itself

[lapis violet]

warp nexus is a must

[rigid sky]

Maybe I am wrong

[lapis violet]

warp nexus

[near wyvern]

Using Assail results in shorter Gaze or having to quell manually while using Gaze means you lock yourself soon out of Assails for a moment. EP fixes that.

[rigid sky]

But I'm having more fun than anybody else on my team lol

[dim parrot]

thats the spirit sibling

[rigid sky]

Right up until I throw one too many assails and suffer a critical existence failure

[lapis violet]

is double ball for voidstrike a lvl 4 blessing?

[rigid sky]

Yep

[lapis violet]

;-;

[near wyvern]

Warp Nexus is a default pick on all the staves TBH

[wind spruce]

Fair, but I'd rather take the broader buff of DD and manage when I need to prioritise being in Scrier's vs assailing more

[ionic needle]

If you're killing stuff without going down (too much) while also having fun you're definitely not doing it wrong

[rigid sky]

If I go down it's because I'm fucking up my peril lol

I am quite comfortable quelling in SG if there's a break in combat though

[near wyvern]

The buff is too inconsistent to be relied upon, DD for highlights is the way. Don't get me wrong, the bonus is nice and you can do some XII lasgun one shot shenanigans with it. It's dropping all the stacks at once which makes it awful for using mainly for the buff.

[rigid sky]

There are times when you can bide for a few moments

[rigid sky]

Doesn't take too long to build it back up again

And even a few stacks is strong

[wind spruce]

I strongly disagree with this. People way over emphasise how difficult it is to rebuild your stacks.

[rigid sky]

I wouldn't take it with an MGXII though, I like gunker with rapid fire finesse

[ionic needle]

The only thing I really hate about DD is the target restriction

[near wyvern]

It's not about how fast you can stack it up, it's about the fact that you cannot rely on having X amount of stacks at all times to meet breakpoints whenever you need to

[ionic needle]

Like why in the name of our lord and savior the Emperor isn't every human sized enemy a viable target for it??

[rigid sky]

CIAG mainly, I would also use Accatran Laspistol if I had less respect for my LMB

[lapis violet]

imagine you're about to commit peril seppuku and a monstrosity picks you up to eat you

[ionic needle]

I'm also not a fan of it sometimes jumping to a different target just as I've aimed up a shot on the current one

[lapis violet]

does their face get blown up?

[paper lily]

you explode the instant he stuns you

[near wyvern]

No because the explosion just tickles

[lapis violet]

yeah. upsetting

[ionic needle]

I was grabbed by a chaos spawn as I was exploding once, thought I was safe but then exploded the second it dropped me again

[wind spruce]

Another huge overemphasis people make (breakpoints). A good amount of weapons inc. the best gun are high RoF, making breakpoints largely irrelevant.

Assail also has huge variability between weakspors and crits.

[near wyvern]

DS4 mutant one shot is not irrelevant

[wind spruce]

Bruh

[near wyvern]

Meeting one shots on things like gunners and flamers is not irrelevant

[paper lily]

its pretty irrelevant

[ionic needle]

Doesn't DS4 at least two shot mutants without DD?

[near wyvern]

There are many times when you only get a small window on an enemy, and if you manage to down it in one hit it can save a run

[paper lily]

ds4 one shots mutant with special + heavy stab

stop the charge with special, heavy stab to kill

[rigid sky]

One shots if you hit them twice?

Are you zylus

[ionic needle]

Hahaha

[paper lily]

i just consider it one interaction

[ionic needle]

One (see: two) shots

[near wyvern]

But it's not one interaction

[rigid sky]

Yeah I get your point though lol

But I usually just oneshot with DS4 headtap anyway?

Doesn't need much help

[near wyvern]

The better "one" interaction is to do heavy into special but even there if you fuck up the timing the mutant will grab you

[paper lily]

idk about that

[near wyvern]

Even when the special after the heavy is almost instant

[rigid sky]

Maybe I have +maniac or something

[paper lily]

blitz cancel special into heavy stab

[wind spruce]

This is a bias. Runs are also saved by outputting more damage and hitting "breakpoints" that are less noticeable than the mutant or special that can, admittedly, swing things quite dramatically

[ionic needle]

I usually stab it as it charges me, dodge left or right and turn around to stab it again. Unless the first stab crits which will oneshot it.

[wind spruce]

It's just harder to notice these differences as there are dozens and dozens happening throughout the game

[near wyvern]

It is not a bias, the fact that you can go I shoot this once then move onto this makes all the difference in carrying auric maels

The fact that you can rely on your skills and weapons is what makes you effective

[stuck sinew]

Sounds like an overstatement

[vestal fulcrum]

Question

[wind spruce]

Except that's not how most weapons work dude

[vestal fulcrum]

Why go up a gunner’s face

[near wyvern]

The discussion between high ROF weapons and low is discussing different builds and playstyles

[wind spruce]

You're having to single out high damage single target weapons

[ionic needle]

Because it's fun to stab it

[vestal fulcrum]

TRUE

[paper lily]

they will also try to melee u sometimes

[ionic needle]

Gunners?

[vestal fulcrum]

They more than anything will try to get a firing angle on you

This sometimes involves going into the melee zone

[paper lily]

they can absolutely smack you with their gun but it depends on if they were shooting before

[rigid sky]

I find they usually just press the gun into my face and keep the trigger held down lol

[untold niche]

u took twbs and marty! haha

lazorr and exhil is pretty good , you can ask them

[untold niche]

revolvo, staffs other than purg, plasmagun, rumbler, kickback
its only three examples, but three those that gets used alot tho.

That and like pygex said there are many melee options that most certainly dont "small but many" damage.
( i think the only ones are like bleed focused melee? which is like what, daggers and oggie's shield)

and I already described in the message that you didn't reply to how most of the tiem additional damage that doesn't change thresholds doesn't really matter. Of course, unless all 4 of you are vets running ciag as stated

[untold niche]

MR HAMPTER IS BACK

[untold niche]

sound like jordan peterson

but hampter, not rat

wait kjerad

do you do commisions?

[vestal fulcrum]

I am an unpaid amateur what types of commissions?

[untold niche]

dont know just curious, your art is nice i think
Assuming both your pfp and background is drawn by you
economy sorta coming back up
And i feel majority of society is trending towads bespoke vs luxury

(Personally have always been a bespoke person myself :p)

i mean don't make it a job

just like take commisions you find interesting

get like 30-300 depending on what they are asking for

you know.

[vestal fulcrum]

ART?

If I ever develop the skills to draw, I certainly would have drawn rats

[untold niche]

is your profile pic and background not done by yourself?

[vestal fulcrum]

Of course not

I’m wearing somebody else’s clothes

[untold niche]

damn i was so impressed, your friend?

[vestal fulcrum]

(But they are very comfortable)

[vestal fulcrum]

Nope, I have just found them somewhere in the meanders of the Internet

[untold niche]

ah

hol on lemme sahre something funny

context is itsa character discord for tekken 8, bryan fury character

[vestal fulcrum]

The tarot card background you probably could find by typing “Warhammer end times tarot cards” into your favourite browser

[untold niche]

[vestal fulcrum]

And the rat is… probably inspired by either text based RPGs, a fat rat being grabbed meme and/or World of Horror video game

[untold niche]

im pretty sure is the meme, but the colour palatte really nice

[wind spruce]

What message that I didn't reply to? I can't see any other messages you've contributed to this discussion.

This was primarily a discussion about assail and gun psyker, but yes, small increases in damage matter less the higher damage per hit a weapon is and the more consistently you're hitting targets with the same source of damage from full health to zero. However, that's not how most of Darktide works, and particularly not with Psyker.

Enemies will be taking damage from low RoF weapons, dots and teammates that contribute to the overall [DPS minus overkill] rate. This is particularly true in the case of gun psyker and assail where you have a huge amount of variability with how much damage each hit will be consisting of.

[patent wing]

imagine if we could get soulblaze on crit when scriers gaze is active

[untold niche]

this one sir

but ok my bad i should have tagged u

[wind spruce]

So, SO often in the relevant cases you are dealing with small increments of damage that add up to killing an enemy very quickly, and there isn't as much overkill as everyone bangs on about. If you're willing to sacrifice and, frankly, underestimate a much larger DPS increase for more consistent one shots on Mutants and flamers like Pygex was saying, you do you, but you're leaving a lot on the table.

[wind spruce]

Ah fair play, I didn't check back for a few hours

Yeah, I still don't agree with your take, specifically when it comes to Psyker.

[untold niche]

if its ok with you read that one, but short answer is:
even if its small and many damage, a 10% only matter if you are the only one doing damage to it, else

1. other guy finishes his threshold & you waste dps
2. you help other guy reduce his threshold but that 10% wouldn't have mattered anyway

but pls pls read original message ;-;

let me feel loved :p

[wind spruce]

I read it, but I still don't really agree, specifically when it comes to Psyker overall and even more specifically gun psyker and assail

[untold niche]

gun psyker, i assume you mean when you use ciag?
genuinely, i do see volvo being more common on gunker though.

[clear bridge]

Hello, I am a folding shovel ogryn

Breakpoints are very important in a lot of situations

[wind spruce]

Our damage is coming from multiple sources across many enemies at once, whether it's any of the staves but surge, soul blaze, assail or any gun that isn't the revolved

[clear bridge]

They are not the only way to play the game

...as yall are discussing

But also, you're not playing the game right if you're not killing a Crusher in one blow

[wind spruce]

Psyker also has SO many damage variables between warp rider, perfect timing and our keystones

Not to mention blessings

These will be adding up to unpredictable breakpoints so often

[clear bridge]

Now sadly, my wife is going to hit a breakpoint if I don't stop talking about darktide

[untold niche]

from what i understand of gunker
you are mainly using assail and ds4.
Ds4 does big damage, soulblaze softens them up, a 10% prob only very very slightly shortens the time to get to the hp you want.

[clear bridge]

(I don't have a wife :])

[wind spruce]

It isn't just cut and dry, easy to caculafe

[wind spruce]

I don't even run assail with a CIAG, and with the 2nd best gunker weapon (las pistol) you're using that a lot due to its ammo efficency

[untold niche]

perfect timing is the one with crit on 5 headshots right?
Thats why i play assuming i don't have it and just react when it does happen.

your point about random shit flying right, is why i say like the 10% doesn't matter.
still same threshold, e.g. he hits one, you hit 2.
Just wasted damage.

[wind spruce]

But that's what I mean, right, we're dealing with 0-15% from perfect timing, 0-20% with warp rider, 0-crazy amounts with blessings, 0-24% with warp charges 0-the moon with DD

[untold niche]

blessings is always up no?
DD is always up as well
i imagine DD to be way easier to proc on gunker than void

[wind spruce]

But you're still looking in a vacuum where every enemy is cleanly getting hit by one singular source of your damage and only your damage

[wind spruce]

Hell no, none of them are always up

[untold niche]

the only time my DD is down is elevator or director randomly decide to give break

[wind spruce]

Well I actually kinda agree with that DD uptime is slandered heavily

But I'm just saying the variability is huge

Darktide isn't a clean vacuum where we can say "oh that 10% damage is a waste cos breakpoint x isn't affected"

[untold niche]

i mean the converse of this statement is true only when you are the solo guy AND you are using smal but many damage as explained

so yeah it does matter? just very very niche situation

[wind spruce]

No, i disagree

It's only dramatically noticeable in niche situations

Which is the cope that's happening by talking about "yeah gotta hit that mutie breakpoint"

The variability is happening constantly throughout the gme

[untold niche]

if all of you are running big damage, the 10% doesn't matter, its just wasted dps.

[wind spruce]

There's twenty enemies in front of you and you used 47 bullets instead of 60.

6 voidstrikes and 4 assails instead of 8 and 5

[untold niche]

like if my volvo needs like 3 shots on a crusher, and someone's void need say 2 shoots,
the 10% isn't going to change how if we fire together its still 1 shot from void and 2 shot from volvo

[wind spruce]

But THATS the niche dude

[untold niche]

you wouldn't use 6 voidstrikes instead of 8 though.

[untold niche]

big damage situations are way more common in my games than people running small but many damage

[wind spruce]

You don't isolate a crushers health out most of the time, you have grenades going off doing chip, people hitting it and having to move off to another threat

[untold niche]

if you don't mind, directly reply to this.

because what you are saying seems to be "oh but other people will damage as well"
but im saying without or with the 10%, taken into account other people damage, the time to kill is still the same

[wind spruce]

I've already said that, yeah, with weapons like the revolver that are extremely high low instance damage weapons it's less and less relevant

But that's not the average psyker situation

You have half charged staff hits, warpfire, assail

Headshots and non headshots

Crits and non crits

[untold niche]

your 10% is not going to make up for lack of crits timetokill/threshold wise

[wind spruce]

Every extra bit of damage is hitting breakpoints you don't even notice on walls of poxwalkers, shooters, ragers and gunners running towards you

Maybe it's the way I play but if I'm using a voidstrike/assail/shriek build or a trauma build or a laspistol/assail/scriers build I'm looking at the sea of enemies as a larger set of enemies with individualised health

But I'm in the shit, I'm spreading fire and knives around, I'm constantly ducking and moving and shooting off full orbs, half orbs, half trauma blasts, full trauma blasts

It all accumulates together

And you keep going on about 10% damage, I'm talking more than that, I'm talking about 10-100% damage. All of the variables stacked together. They make these individual breakpoints meaningless. And, yes, each 10% itself isn't hugely meaningful but they are cumulative.

[untold niche]

i mean, you shoot a voidstrike into zombie horde
even if you have +1000% damage its still ultimately only going to take a half charge

soulblaze wise yeah, the even 20% is a huge diff

Im mentioning like 10% because it was the original number, even +30% wouldnt change much.

both pub vet and pub oggie are nukes
nobody plays daka oggie anymore, no small damage melee barring shield bleed build
Pub vet is pgun+psword
Im guessing zealot and psyker has regional differences, but in my area its trending towards big damage
(tbh all the melees are big damage if you think about, damn fatshark. Imagine you get like a gatling gun melee, that would be cool actually)

gatling gun melee for oggie

https://tenor.com/view/tekken-tekken7-jack-jack7-robot-gif-23173377

oggie shoul get his gloves.

[wind spruce]

Again, that's too narrow of a view. Yes, a small voidstrike charge will one shot a poxwalker, but not the 99 other damage sources or possibilities. Add some smaller damage sources together and suddenly that's a dead poxwalker you don't even have to touch with your void.

Peak Darktide is absolute chaos, and every bit of damage counts there because you aren't cleanly taking each enemy from 100>0. You're getting fucked about and having to bail from kills to prioritise other enemies, reposition etc. Small amounts of damage from any and all sources that don't finish off the enemy will likely be beneficial.

We tend to over-estimate the lack of benefit extra damage has when we're theorycrafting. "Oh it's still a one or two shot" "oh if I build my voidstrike with a terrible perk like carapace I can one shot crushers if I get a surge proc and headshot them with both hits even though that's actually pretty unlikely when they aren't stock still in the psykhanium, so i wont take flak because i already one shot all gunners!"

The actual game is more fluid and annoyingly complex and every bit counts to that room of enemies just getting absolutely flattened

[patent wing]

is it too much to ask for BR not beeing able to hit non specialists/elites

[wind spruce]

Apparently so

[magic hull]

I'll be honest, the in game description of how boosters and benefits works for talent, perks and blessing is terrible. Most of the time it's not as good as what was written.

[wind spruce]

Sometimes they're much better than they seem

[magic hull]

And unlike most players as you can see don't have time to understand the little things that make the difference.

[wind spruce]

You add scriers and DD together and you get like 250% damage

[magic hull]

I find myself way too many times being told that its worse than it is objectively, but i guess the placebo is just much stronger than facts.

So conclusion? you feel good? u play good.

[wind spruce]

What's an example?

[magic hull]

crit for example.

perks

some weapons do well some just dont

[wind spruce]

Ah yeah crit is a good example

Hardly does anything on some weapons

[magic hull]

carapace vs flak or any other perks. Really depends on playstyle and needs too

[wind spruce]

And then you have the las pistol...

Well the 25% damage perks are very straight forward and fairly broken

[potent echo]

PATCH

[wind spruce]

Especially flak

[wind spruce]

Omg

[untold niche]

ok i will say, in alot of cases, obviously my literal threshold does not matter in the sense if someone else shoots a void, then i only need to shoot twice.
But it does matter in the sense of if i shoto twice, someone shoots it, its not dead, i still have to shoot it.
In a practical sense of course if someone shoots something and it dies i move on, but i can't count on the chaos of the game helping me to finish off that rager pack in the back. that i procced x3 soulblaze off of. i still have to shoot it twice if its not dead.

and im not saying this in a psk context. its just off experience that my own thresholds matter alot.
Its not as if i see the rager getting damage, then i know "oh i only need to use 20% of my charge instead of 50%" or i can use 0.7 bullet of a volvo.

Thresholds are what keeps things predictable, consistent and safe for me.

[upper sun]

PATCH?

[magic hull]

Dont get me started on the soulblaze stack talent tree.

[untold niche]

what changed?

[magic hull]

its a huge placebo for me

[untold niche]

wildfire?

[magic hull]

like ok, people say its bad, but when i play it, it feels good.

[magic hull]

yeah i think this one

[upper sun]

vet buffs psyker fixes as always

[untold niche]

vet get buffs AGAIN?

[potent echo]

Dev note: All projectiles, including projectiles from weapons like Psyker Force Staves and Ogryn Rumbler or player blitz abilities like Psyker “Assail” or Zealot “Blades of Faith” etc, now will only receive the buffs that were active when the projectile was fired/thrown/spawned from the player and keeps those buffs during its trajectory. This for example means that the projectile will have the damage and power the player had when shooting it and they will not time out or be lost during the flight of the projectile.

[untold niche]

wrong reply

hoho

[potent echo]

assail gaming is cancelled

its ogre

[wind spruce]

It's not you shouldn't know your breakpoints, it's that damage that doesn't help specific breakpoints is still extremely good because you're usually adding different damage sources together

Eg assail should ALWAYS be weaved with your ranged weapon

So it's usually not "what's your ranged weapon breakpoint"

[untold niche]

im not laughing at you, im laughing at the ituation look at what gui typed

[wind spruce]

Oh dw I wasn't thinking that bro

Ur all g

[untold niche]

right when we were discussing

[wet belfry]

Changed the number of players the Daemonhost kills before leaving to 1 across all difficulties

[wind spruce]

Is that it for psyker

[untold niche]

YESSIR

YESSSSSSSIRRRR

[potent echo]

Deimos Mk IV Blaze Force Sword

Fixed an issue where Heavy Attacks were not displayed as Strikedown in the Inspect menu.

[untold niche]

STOOPID VET THAT WOKE IT UP ITS NO LONGER COMING FOR ME

[wind spruce]

Link notes?

[potent echo]

did they fix the deimos flinging yet or its intended lmao

[potent echo]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-17-notes-live-now/91924

[upper sun]

"Mk II Purgatus Force Staff

Fixed an issue where the weapon special attacks could be cancelled before they could do any damage if spamming the special attack."

[untold niche]

@lunar hollow bossman your psyker build is gone

did they patch smite blitz cancel?

[wind spruce]

Tyvm

[potent echo]

lol who even noticed this

[wind spruce]

Brain rupture is going to be a fair bit quicker now, I think?

[spice veldt]

rip

i can't kill maulers with assail now

so sad

[untold niche]

when they going to fix warp + gaze bug!!!

[potent echo]

Fixed an issue where the Celerity Stimm increased the charge time of attacks and abilities instead of reducing it.

thank god lmao now we can finally use blue stims

[magic hull]

good, its dogshit last i played it.

[wind spruce]

What change

[upper sun]

"Made the Scab Shotgunner and the Scab Trapper a little more vocal." PRAISE FATSHARK

[spice veldt]

launch screen has a slightly different UI now it seems

[magic hull]

BB should be much faster than it currently is.

[spice veldt]

#psyker-class message

[potent echo]

Removed push force applied from shots by Scab/Dreg Shooters and Scab/Dreg Gunners.

YES FINALLY

[untold niche]

Fixed issue where Veteran base Aura “Scavenger” was stacking with the upgraded “Survivalist” Aura.
@spice veldt AMMO PROBLEM FIXED BRO

[magic hull]

I know theres a talent that make it fast, but still you need special ability to trigger it.

[spice veldt]

so true

[untold niche]

LETS GO LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[wind spruce]

Enemies:

Removed push force applied from shots by Scab/Dreg Shooters and Scab/Dreg Gunners.

No push back from ranged enemies

[spice veldt]

OH SHIT

BABY WHAT IS THAT

WOOOOOOOO

[wind spruce]

Fuck yiiiis

[upper sun]

what

[untold niche]

thats what gui typed

slightly early

earlier

@plucky flax

[potent echo]

Music for ambush hordes have been re-added after receiving community feedback.

lol

[upper sun]

fucking hell where was this yesterday when i got yeeted 3 floors down from a shotgunner

[untold niche]

FUCKER THEY DID NOT NERF PGUN???

HUHHHHHH

[spice veldt]

reapers still have some push-back but it is significantly reduced

you are no longer on ice skates

this is the greatest patch

[potent echo]

wait really

[wind spruce]

Dev note: All projectiles, including projectiles from weapons like Psyker Force Staves and Ogryn Rumbler or player blitz abilities like Psyker “Assail” or Zealot “Blades of Faith” etc, now will only receive the buffs that were active when the projectile was fired/thrown/spawned from the player and keeps those buffs during its trajectory. This for example means that the projectile will have the damage and power the player had when shooting it and they will not time out or be lost during the flight of the projectile.

BRUH GET FUCKED

[potent echo]

whats a peegun

[wind spruce]

Assail weaving is dead

[potent echo]

i only know peesword

[wind spruce]

Get absolutely fucked

[potent echo]

assail kekw finger pointing

[untold niche]

plasma gun

[wind spruce]

Sorry I'm behind

[potent echo]

ah

plasma is definitely fits in the pee weapon universe

[untold niche]

very :p
that was the message i was referring to when i said i was laughing

[wind spruce]

Hahahaha my b

[magic hull]

shotgunners are by far the worse. They tank, they don't get staggered, they deal lots of damage and is dangerous in groups. Not sure if this update fix the push back too.

[wind spruce]

Too much to take in at once

[untold niche]

no shotgunners easier to kill
And imo they are dumber

[wind spruce]

I'm mad AF

[magic hull]

but i like added challenge, if everything is too easy the no fun

[potent echo]

i mean shotgunner push back makes sense

and also they only shoot once per second

not 20 times

[magic hull]

well its a pain facing then in groups

maybe thats just me

[wind spruce]

Well I'm glad I didn't spent my 2.5 million dockets on a perfect las pistol that had maniacs and flak so I could assail weave to its full potential

[untold niche]

Added alerted voice when dreg rager is being alerted

[magic hull]

thing is they dont get staggered as much which is why i find more trouble fighting them.

[potent echo]

hiiiiyaa

[clear heath]

oh i finally know why this happened

[untold niche]

Added alerted voice when dreg rager is being alerted
ragers aren't ninjas anymore

[potent echo]

make dt vermintide2 again

plague monk screeching

[wet belfry]

Plague monks are terrifying

[wind spruce]

Fuck this update

I want actual meat 😦

[potent echo]

devs still playing helldivers2

[wind spruce]

"Sorry we've been silent over our three month holidays, here's a bunch of bug fixes we introduced/didn't catch last patch or two"

[untold niche]

FUCKER THEY BUFF THE PSWORD

We have added a second weapon special activation action in the attack chain of the power swords. This new activation allows the player to continue an attack chain if using the weapon special in the middle of one. This mid chain activation was added to allow for a more varied attack pattern even with frequent use of the weapon special.

[potent echo]

i mean its a holiday soooo

i dont even know what the hell they are saying in that line lmao

[spice veldt]

tbf this is basically a change for non-PC power swords

[patent wing]

its so fking annoying that i need 3 brainburst to kill a crusher while the vet throws a krak grenade and kills 6 (and gets new nades for free later)

[untold niche]

what pc mean

[spice veldt]

the mk6 psword gets a mild nerf but you can block cancel to reset back to l1 l2 l3

power cycler

[upper sun]

-wake up
-vet buffs
-psyker fixes

[potent echo]

kraks dont snipe snipers across the map

[untold niche]

i thought even with power cycler its still a buff?
Pc just let you cleave with the special no?

[patent wing]

yeah he can do that with plasma or lasgun

without needing 2 seconds charge

[potent echo]

thats 2 slots

[patent wing]

also snipers dont end runs

its crusher and mauler squads

[upper sun]

im so happy about the shotgunner nerf cost me a run like 2 days ago

[potent echo]

uhhh

[upper sun]

i got pushed into a corner off the map and a dog pounced on me from a place i couldnt get off

[patent wing]

man just be honest and acknowledge that brainburst is useless without EP

[upper sun]

its not useless

[wind spruce]

Psyker fixes and nerfs

[patent wing]

and even then it sucks hard that it can hit non elites/specs

[upper sun]

ok yeah that does suck

it needs better prioritization

[wet belfry]

Use jump

[wind spruce]

Kinetic resonance is underrated imo

[patent wing]

also its kinda stupid that i need 3 brainburst for 1 crusher

[potent echo]

brainburst just isnt anywhere as good for anti armor vs our melee options

[wet belfry]

All the blits abilltys are underpowered

[spice veldt]

eh against crushers i'm fine with bb being weak

[wind spruce]

No they arent

[patent wing]

its a high dmg single target spell that needs 7 seconds to kill a crushers wtf is that shit

[spice veldt]

i like melee weapons being the usual way of dealing with them

yeah but you can't expect a weapon to be always good

[potent echo]

except if the weapon is peegun or peesword

[spice veldt]

the state of things as it is plain abnormal

[untold niche]

i personally want bb to be able to deal with crushers
may be not damage, could have it slow them by like 80% or something

[patent wing]

WHAT ELLSE AM I SUPPOSED TO USE MY SINGLE TARGET HIGH DMG SPELL AGAINST

[untold niche]

like its such a boom skill, but the impact is meh as fuck

[patent wing]

if not the guys with most hp which can also oneshot me

[potent echo]

the game lets you use it on anything

[wind spruce]

Uhhh... specials

[patent wing]

u clearly dont play aHISTG

[wind spruce]

Sniping off specials with BB is its best use, and then gunners after thst

[potent echo]

so find a spot for it in your loadout or just dont use it

[wind spruce]

Bruh

[wet belfry]

LMB staff outdamages BB vs specials

[patent wing]

hf using bb against those 6 shotgunners

[untold niche]

[potent echo]

this is the classic example of square block in the star hole

[wind spruce]

Yeah OK just lmb the hound down

[untold niche]

" no no but you have auto aim and cross cover with bb!"

genuine and valid argument that i just personally don't care about.

[wind spruce]

Crushers is literally the last thing I'm BBing

[wet belfry]

75% im killing a special with lmb not BB

[wind spruce]

I'm not saying it's in a good spot

[patent wing]

vet doesnt even need cover when his plasma 1-2 shots everything in a line

[potent echo]

but plasma and powersword are literal braindead weapons

you just click on everything and it works

[untold niche]

they should buff BB legit
could have it slow the target by an amount, imo that would be cool and thematic :v

[wind spruce]

But cmon, it's niche is literally quick targeting high-mobility high danger enemies

[untold niche]

BRO I FOUDN MY SOULMATE

[patent wing]

yeah thats because i just ask for 10% more bb dmg and only special/elite aim

[untold niche]

99% of pub vet run that and shout

[potent echo]

thats a very common opinion 👀

[untold niche]

but so many people still using their peesword

:L

[potent echo]

peesword peegun peeshout

[clear heath]

everyone know's it's a braindead build

that's the point

[patent wing]

krak
shout
psword
plasma

easily most broken shit in game

[untold niche]

its not even the whole build, the weapons individually is broken as fuck

[clear heath]

i run vet when i want to be braindead

[potent echo]

you dont even need krak just take shredder and you are actually a god

[untold niche]

guess who can't dodge dogs in my a5mael game?

[wind spruce]

Yeah idk why you would take krak when u have plasma

[untold niche]

🐭 🐭 🐭 🐭 🐭 🐭 🐭

[wind spruce]

Seems obsolete, but idk vet well

[modest pasture]

SpongeBob SquarePants?

[untold niche]

spongebob +5 vet pants!

[modest pasture]

VeteranPants?!

[untold niche]

psword, pgun, shout

[patent wing]

again do u think its to much to ask if i want bb to have 10% more dmg to reach breakpoint for crusher 2 shot and only hit specs/elites

[untold niche]

wombo combo

[modest pasture]

GET HIM OUTTA THERE HES A GOOFY GOOBER

I had Luthor, my Psyker for Darktide, redone As a Wrath & Glory character.

[untold niche]

what is warath and glory

[spice veldt]

ooooh interesting

seems like you don't have to swap cancel bb to get the most out of it now

delightfully devilish

well, swapping still does help

but it's not as bad as before w/o swapping

[wind spruce]

Sweet! That was my interpretation but not online to test

[spice veldt]

also i feel like loading into the psykh is slightly faster

[onyx sentinel]

didn't even realise there's an update

has anyone tested what this means

[patent wing]

they didnt nerf the plasma gun 🤡 🤡

[spice veldt]

basically the animation after the cast also gets scaled by the speed increase from kinetic resonance and EP

[onyx sentinel]

cool

Fixed an issue where the Celerity Stimm increased the charge time of attacks and abilities instead of reducing it.
fatshark has now peaked

[rigid sky]

I think they didn't want to put any serious nerfs in on a minor patch, I respect that

If you're gonna nerf something, give a new toy to make it sting less

Don't get me wrong plasma needs a nerf

But not the day to do it I guess

[spice veldt]

deimos still has the funny knockdown on h2

[patent wing]

are there vids of psykers doing solo a5 histg's?

[plucky flax]

That's only the special chain to light I think. I don't use it that much.

[quartz barn]

Dont know about solo videos, but play enough AM and you'll end up doing it yourself

[untold niche]

arco, wat about this?
i feel with caxe the crit isn't that important

Taking the oggie one like you did will help with bulwark kant fire wise and also help with minigun oryn when i melee him
not sure about crusher

[patent wing]

ser we are in a psyker channel stop the heresy

[untold niche]

but i don't like the vet channel :v

they didn't even tell me about the -6 second voc thingy and they said i will die in auric

[upper sun]

its tru were so big brained were better vets than the vets

also idk about krak grenades they have such little range

[untold niche]

krak deal with cruher

crusher

[upper sun]

yeah very true

[spice veldt]

depends on if you can hit the bruiser one-shot w/o it

[upper sun]

but they pretty much only target one they would have to be stuck together

[untold niche]

thanks d00d

[untold niche]

wait

which bruiser

tin can head

or tin body

[spice veldt]

check if you can hit one-shots on both

[rigid sky]

Yeah, they're only for if you lack anti-crusher elsewise

[spice veldt]

i also like some source of toughness regen besidees VoC

[untold niche]

okeh!

[spice veldt]

e.g., the weapon spec toughness on weapon swap

i also don't consider grenade tinkerer to be important with krak's grenade

cuz it's just bosses that will be affected by it really

[upper sun]

grenade tinkerer isnt really that great tbh

[untold niche]

oh don't need that for crusher?

[spice veldt]

nah

they get one-shot regardless w/o tinkerer

[untold niche]

so ^?

[spice veldt]

i'd move that to +1 nade if you wish or weapon spec toughness on swap

[rigid sky]

Maybe widens the killzone a little

Idk

Might be a sharp dropoff

[spice veldt]

oh yeah desperado

[untold niche]

moved tinkerer to the melee crit

[spice veldt]

damn i feel like loading into the psykhanium is a lot faster

[upper sun]

wow yeah

its so much faster

[spice veldt]

i wonder if this fixes being able to get assail shards from field improv ammo packs

[little rapids]

finally celerity stim works with staves

[eager token]

Removed push force applied from shots by Scab/Dreg Shooters and Scab/Dreg Gunners

[mighty cipher]

HOLY SHIT

BLESSING BLITZ EFFECTS IS GONE

BRAIN RUPTURE BUFFS YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAH

[spice veldt]

bb enjoyers eating good

swap cancelling is still needed to make the most of it but the difference between swap cancelling it and not is much less pronounced

[patent wing]

its enough i will run 3x bomber resistance from now on

[near wyvern]

Assail weave nerf

Sadness

[mighty cipher]

This isn’t December, bomber resistance is kinda pointless.

[spice veldt]

now they finally need to destroy the zealot throwing knife railgun

and finally clean up the mess that is blessings affecting other weapons and DoTs

[mighty cipher]

For the April Fools day patch they should revert every enemy to their strongest iteration.

[spice veldt]

horrifying

[mighty cipher]

I want to show people who didn’t experience it the 250+ dps fire.

[spice veldt]

you should be locked up

[mighty cipher]

What would the other enemies look like? I was only around for the hellfire bomber fiasco.

[near wyvern]

My only question is... What does it matter?

[mighty cipher]

Cause it makes going staff only easier

[near wyvern]

Staff special and damage in a same sentence

[mighty cipher]

I still want to get a full team and see how far we can make it using literally only the staff melee

[near wyvern]

Trapper fix will be huge tho

[near wyvern]

WDYM I think it would be cool if blessings were balanced around being always active regardless of the weapon you have on. Some should be for melee and some for ranged attacks only but those should then affect the potential melee attacks or ranged weapons or ranged attacks on melee weapons.

[spice veldt]

i don't expect them to balance it in any due time and it would be a system that would on'y affect a few specific weapons

[quartz barn]

Serious question tho: who in here even uses the staff melee and why?

[wet belfry]

Testing purposes?

[quartz barn]

Good bot

[rigid sky]

I like to punish one particular annoying sniper or trapper sometimes

Worthless cretins that they are

[long wharf]

RIP high APM assail

[wanton sandal]

patches for thee but not for me...

would be cool if the illisi force sword got this as well

[orchid shadow]

I've barely played my Vet after 30 after failing to get Power Cycler so many times. Did that sword even need this?

[untold niche]

n0.

also, last epoch hit 1.0

[spice veldt]

it's just a cosmetic change so far

besides the mk6 getting its combos slightly messed up but you can juts blockcancel it and psword has no timing penalty for blocking

[quaint fiber]

😭

My perfectly balanced and fair feature

[tawny pebble]

Does anyone know if blaze stacks are affected by this?

It says projectiles but feasibly it could apply to other damage

[spice veldt]

DoTs are still updated in real time

[tawny pebble]

Thank goodness

[dawn spoke]

my assail weave

[urban sandal]

has anyone seen how much quicker brain burst is now

?

[hollow current]

Dang. this nerfs like half the interaction between assail/warp projectiles and warp rider? Should be fine tho.

woah. subtitles look different in game

[prime elk]

devs hate fun

[spice veldt]

killing maulers with assail is funny bit perhaps a bit much

and also a bit of a balance nightmare

[plucky flax]

Bad patch I'm still gonna helldiving.

No new weapons no new maps no new contents.

[untold niche]

r u sure
failed to connect to game

[lyric burrow]

no its balanced

weaknesses are for bad weapons

[spice veldt]

FLY MY SCARABS https://streamable.com/a0eabl

[eager mantle]

Definitely a "new years cleaning" kind of patch

[untold niche]

i dun get
or thats actually a mauler and you showing amauler one hit

[spice veldt]

it's a mauler yeah

multiple assail shards hit it with uncanny up

tbf this is back in patch 13 with 2.4k hp maulers and pre-nerf assail iirc

this is back when i was less than lvl 1k so probably patch 13

[untold niche]

did they give more hp to maulers?\

or remove hp

feel mauler quite tanky

so im guessing give moe hp?

[spice veldt]

they used to have 2.4k hp before being buffed to 3k hp

crushers likewise had 3k hp before being buffed to 3.6k

[untold niche]

from a subjective standpoint, i wish they lowered mauler hp from 3k
just feels too tanky
like an annoying kind.

from a balance standpoint it does make sense, else they will just be bruiser+

i jsu tdon't want to melee them for10 hours

[spice veldt]

it depends, since the issue is that we kind of just 2/3-shot maulers

and the way that the game is handlign difficulty is to spam 20 melee elites at you at a time

[hollow current]

After playing (1) game I can report that assail feels the same, at least with how I use it.

[spice veldt]

i'd tone down the amount of elites and keep their tankiness (and nerf the strength of players)

[untold niche]

again from an objective standpoint, no arguments.

Its just i really personally don't want to melee maulers so much.
cause they also one hit you with OH
they just feel like slimmer crushers with a less strict threshold.
Which is kinda boring.

[spice veldt]

p much

on the other hand, they have a flak body to allow you to slowly whittle away at them with any ranged weapon

and overheads have a short dodge catch

and are iirc one of the attacks that are lag compensated

[untold niche]

yeah whittle :(

[spice veldt]

they're pretty lenient as long as a teammate doesn't drag an overhead into you

[rigid sky]

They're fun in groups of 10

Or when they blend in with the other scabs

[untold niche]

i deal with them fine, just doesn't feel fun to fight
at least crusher is thematic
big fat guy, sort of "boss" you get me.

just feel like im shooting a wall

[rigid sky]

Maulers are a bit quicker iirc

[hollow current]

Yeah, keep an eye out for people who dance with carapace lmao.

[rigid sky]

I like that they exist to encourage bodyshots

[spice veldt]

yeah they could prob do more to diversify maulers from crushers

[untold niche]

crusher i feel like im shooting helplessly at an incoming threat, which is cool.

[rigid sky]

Like my heavy sword uses horizontals to kill them instead of my own overheads

[untold niche]

mauler is more like ah fuck i have to press lmb 2 times more now

[lyric burrow]

yeah maulers could prob be different

they are in a weird spot though cause as arco said you just 2 or 3 shot them

even crushers are kinda the same wayu

[urban sandal]

maulers are basically just mini crushers

[untold niche]

mauler do swing only with full cleave, so if teammate group up on him all of them get hit
tap head. i am so smart.

now you have some enemy that forces the team to be not near each other.

[tawny pebble]

it is entirely inadvisable but i still like knocking them down with deimos heavy 2

[lyric burrow]

like if they didnt just one shot me they would really be irrelevant

[tawny pebble]

yeah, their regular non-overhead swings are almost ignore-able

[lyric burrow]

i do enjoy them having a flak body as its at least a second option

[spice veldt]

i want some melee enemies that are faster

[untold niche]

if you running the meta of the meta yeah.
But even then when they come in like 6, now you need 18 shots.

[spice veldt]

and aren't ragers

[lyric burrow]

yeah faster melee enemies would be good

that arent ass

like ragers

although ragers still get outrun

[untold niche]

you say that i already knew you were going to show gaze dd haha

why you delete

now i look stoopid

[lyric burrow]

i mean the only way ragers even get into melee with you is if they are in a group of 20

because you dont have enough ammo

in one mag

[hollow current]

sometimes you can 1 hit them if you get all your juice going and crit.

[hollow current]

I meant to quote the other guy lol, my bad

[untold niche]

imagine ragers but they deal damage but don't stunlock / interrupt you
OR
they do but when they do their string they cant move forward so you can dodge out of it, you get rewarded for knowing the timing when to dodge.

bro rewarding skill expression

[lyric burrow]

yeah you can get some pretty crazy numbers

[spice veldt]

yeah fast enemies that are actually dodgeable

[untold niche]

they should just hire me

[lyric burrow]

i would prefer ragers be like fightable in melee but not in groups of 20 ye

[spice veldt]

i like ragers as a non-dodgeable enemy so that they encroach on your space but >10 of them gets old really fucking fast

[lyric burrow]

rn they are a dps/stagger check

[patent steeple]

Dunno if I just have a skill issue, but I have experienced something that feels like ragers moving forward while attacking, making it kinda hard for me to actively outrun them...

[lyric burrow]

blocking not being ass would help

[lyric burrow]

they have a lot of range

and can advance

[untold niche]

DT atm is a dps check
i can't remember last time i got bit by a rager more than 2 times

[lyric burrow]

if you get caught it can be hard to get out

[untold niche]

ususalyl they don't even get to smell me

[lyric burrow]

i think they reach like 6m

[spice veldt]

and have undodgeable attacks unlike the majority of enemies

[lyric burrow]

yeah

[spice veldt]

tbf the attack range of ragers is roughly the same our melee attack range

so it's fair game i suppose

[untold niche]

some of their attacks are lunges so you are right to say that
they also have that stupid starter attack that has insane lunge

[lyric burrow]

yeah i dont hate the range although with the whole 20 of them thing you cant like

duel them

and then theres stagger etc

[untold niche]

bro it feels they have more rnage
I tried to outrange htem in psk but couldnt

the lunge attack

[lyric burrow]

some weapons do it better

like DS is really good at it

[spice veldt]

they're nice as an enemy that makes blocking required

but at the same time, there's 20 of them

and blocking in this game is really ass

[lyric burrow]

yeah you cant block 20

sadly

you can block 1

[untold niche]

don't they eat alot of your stam if you block it?

[lyric burrow]

no

[spice veldt]

ragers don't do much stamina damage per hit

[lyric burrow]

they actually eat very little

[untold niche]

i not sure if diff attack cost diff stam on block

[lyric burrow]

its just

45 attacks

[spice veldt]

yeah different attacks can cost diff stamina

but a lot of stuff costs the same

e.g., bruiser/poxwalker/groaner melees all cost 1 bar

[untold niche]

yeah once i reached a difficulty where there is more than 1 rager i immediately realized no point blocking the fucking rager

[lyric burrow]

i do remember there was a time when i actually blocked ragers

pre

800 a match

[untold niche]

i think thats why i never block anything in DT beyond bosses :v

[lyric burrow]

no point really

you block cspawn

[spice veldt]

yeah blocking in this game is just too niche

[lyric burrow]

running or dodging is always better

even weapons like knife that have 0.5 block cost

[spice veldt]

they really should just buff the block cost of weapons across the board

[lyric burrow]

its nice but like

idc

[untold niche]

no, i block DH because i didn't see him

[untold niche]

still would be no point in blocking, it doesn't help your situation

[spice veldt]

true

[untold niche]

its like if you have a failing business and you don't inject more capital into sales division

[spice veldt]

create a greater emphasis on blocking by changing enemy attacks or something i suppose

[untold niche]

i personally thing not having to block is ok.

[spice veldt]

since blocking in vt2 seemed quite a bit better

[untold niche]

im not a VT vet so i don't hold strong opinions about needing to block in a FS game.

[lyric burrow]

tbf with dodging as strong as it is itll be hard for blocking to catch up

they would need to force me to not dodge

[spice veldt]

that's true

[lyric burrow]

theres also like no on block talents

that im aware of

[untold niche]

also arco, just wanna ask, after push, are you still ina blocking state?
multiple times today i pushed, someone attakced me and my weapon got bounced from lack of stam

[lyric burrow]

maybe ogryn has some

[spice veldt]

ye

[untold niche]

no wonder.

[spice veldt]

for some time after a push, you're still in a block

[untold niche]

thats fucking annoying

[spice veldt]

it's both a good thing and a bad thing yeah

[untold niche]

on my zealot i took off twbs and that kept happening

[lyric burrow]

yeah its probably like that for pushing bursters in a crowd

and whatnot

[untold niche]

zombie behind, i hear the swish, i push, then weapon bounce

[untold niche]

best thing would be no block, but make push animation cancelable

bro

im an average person

somehow

have better idea than FS

[lyric burrow]

well weapon bounce still happens with no TWBS

[untold niche]

yueah i took twbs off
Thats why im experiencing that now

i think main problem with me is on zealot i just spring everywhere

most of the time attacking 3-4 times will regen enough stamina for you to dodge and push

[spice veldt]

they prob mean that it still hapens with TWBS

[untold niche]

so i never manage stamina

[spice veldt]

since getting guardbroken is a separate mechanic from being stunned/staggered

[untold niche]

i see, my bad then.
But is that true? never seem to have it happen with twbs.

[lyric burrow]

yeah its just blocking without stam

TWBS is stun immunity from being hit/shot

[spice veldt]

maybe you're more comfortable with hittrading when you have twbs and you feel more obligated to block without twbs? idk

[flint aspen]

are there any ways to increase the crit chance on a surge staff?

[fluid dawn]

By picking up the crit chance up in specs running gaze if your a psychopath and rolling high (nexus to but I assume you know that)

[flint aspen]

Boss, Spark'ead has learnt something weird again.

[near drift]

Is it still a stub barrel revolver if there's no barrel

[upper sun]

YOU SEE IVAN

[hollow current]

ingenius. no pesky barrel to slow down the bullet

[brave fiber]

all the hand damage of holding a live grenade with none of the inconvenience of having to pull the pin

smart

[hollow current]

Hey, did fem Savant get a new ult line? At least for Scriers gaze. "No more Hiding"

[mighty cipher]

Yeah, Apperently the female Savant straight up didn't have some of her lines

[hollow current]

I only noticed because my music was between songs and it sounded way different/empowered compared to the others.

I also didn't meant to hit Scriers, It was an accident.

[upper sun]

is it just me or are plasma guns stupidly broken

[hollow current]

They're pretty OP when you got a good roll and know what you're doing with it.

[upper sun]

the very first one i rolled can kill a line from the mauler to the mutant in meatgrinder

doesnt even have maniacs

just cara unyielding

[flint aspen]

Are the colored names also new

[upper sun]

the glowing numbers in meatgrinder? yeah

[flint aspen]

I meant player subtitle names

[urban sandal]

yes they are

[agile garden]

Can anyone recommend perks on Voidstrike staff?

[urban sandal]

surge + warp nexus

oh

perks

[agile garden]

Carapace> Maniac> Unyielding> Crit Chance> Flak?

[urban sandal]

cant go wrong with flak and crit chance

cara is only if you want to 1 shot crushers

otherwise elites, maniac or flak might serve better

but with surge you'll want crit chance

[fluid dawn]

Idk about this weak spot should be in contention at a minimum and the spawn count if unchanged by this patch of carapace enemies should be 40ish total

[agile garden]

i like weak spot for transfer perik as a blessing (paired with flurry)

but everyone says surge+nexus or flurry+nexus

[fluid dawn]

Maybe you do want it for all of those high priority enemies but idk flak feels lackluster due to it just not doing much for break points you should already one shot

[fluid dawn]

Flurry nexus is better but surge nexus plus the 5 weak spot crit is super fun

[urban sandal]

weakspot damage doesn't scale as well as you would think and is more or less a dead perk

[fluid dawn]

Yeah but so are the others that was my point. Plus if your making use of true aim it is dmg your already gonna have

I do understand that it’s not great but idk what I’d actually want on perks maniac the idk

[harsh urchin]

hah psyker nerfed again

lovely

[fluid dawn]

How so?

[mighty cipher]

How?

[harsh urchin]

Dev note: All projectiles, including projectiles from weapons like Psyker Force Staves and Ogryn Rumbler or player blitz abilities like Psyker “Assail” or Zealot “Blades of Faith” etc, now will only receive the buffs that were active when the projectile was fired/thrown/spawned from the player and keeps those buffs during its trajectory. This for example means that the projectile will have the damage and power the player had when shooting it and they will not time out or be lost during the flight of the projectile.

no more uncanny assail

[mighty cipher]

Good

That shit was stupid

[fluid dawn]

Oh yeah good

[harsh urchin]

I'm not sure assail is useable anymore tbh

in auric histg

[mighty cipher]

It definetly is

[harsh urchin]

before this it was pretty mediocre compared to the other options

but you could force value from uncanny

[mighty cipher]

What other options???? Brain rupture is mid as fuck at best and smite is... smite

[fluid dawn]

Brain seems fun now and nah assail is good for single target non horde builds still

[fluid dawn]

Brain buff

[harsh urchin]

ah assail EP i meant

[mighty cipher]

Nevermind, thats entirely valid point

[harsh urchin]

I think you just go a staff or gun build now

i dont think assail EP is playable anymore in the harder difficulties

it already was barely good enough with constant weapon swapping for uncanny

[fluid dawn]

Maybe with the rending staff

Idk

[harsh urchin]

not really cuz with both of the trauma builds you just exclusively use trauma

as much as you can

[fluid dawn]

Fair point

[radiant frigate]

"Added Scrier’s Gaze VO for female Savant."

nice

i just assumed they couldn't get a hold of the VA for a bit

[brave fiber]

I feel like psyker blitzes in general are kinda eh as soon as you start getting really good staffs

[harsh urchin]

they're mostly just a tool

assail EP I just had a soft spot for

cuz it was one of the unique builds where you could make it a primary

but it's already been underperforming in aurics, and takes a lot of effort to play

[brave fiber]

psyker blitzes have the issue of being outclassed by staffs in a lot of ways unfortunately

[harsh urchin]

not sure if it'll be good enough now without uncanny

[mighty cipher]

BR gets outclasses by fucking everything

The only bonus is its consistency

[brave fiber]

like realistically what blitz do you take with crit surge voidstrike that isn’t made irrelevant by the staff itself

at least surge staff has some kind of synergy with smite

[fluid dawn]

Smite

[brave fiber]

what use do you get outta it

[fluid dawn]

It’s not great but it’s probably good to use 1% of the time

[fluid dawn]

Stoping the 12 bulwarks and crushers that have pinned me in a corner

As I’ve stated it’s not good but it might be okay vs the other 2 which are just useless

[brave fiber]

That’s true, but it’s a pretty rare scenario to be in, and the playstyle with voidstrike generally is to delete things like crushers before they even make themselves known

Additionally voidstrike knocks crushers on their butts really easily, so even crusher cc is covered

[harsh urchin]

but the staff does that already lol

[fluid dawn]

Yep which is why it’s only good to smite if it’s the scenario I listed or your pinned by something worse

[harsh urchin]

I just take assail to deal with shooters, or BB if i want psykinetics aura

[fluid dawn]

Does most of it it doesn’t full save you

The point is stun make a tiny bit of distance and strike them down

[harsh urchin]

eh you can easily deal with armored ogryn pack with vs

especially with surge one-shotting them when it pops

[fluid dawn]

Does staff go thorough bulwark shield haven’t used it in awhile?

[brave fiber]

• true aim being op

[brave fiber]

idk how exactly it works but I think a full charge shot knocks em over

Doesn’t go through tho

[fluid dawn]

Then yeah if there’s enough to the point your in a corner and overwhelmed which as l’ve stated is insanely rare I think it’s good to smite get distance and staff it up

[brave fiber]

yeah, the overall point of psyker blitzes being just overall too weak at high levels kinda sucks tho

I wish they were better

I wish EP was better moreso

[brave fiber]

*too weak compared to staffs

[fluid dawn]

I don’t think there awful but EP does deserve a buff to make them good

Aka in line with weapons or it’s just useless

[brave fiber]

yeah I added compared to staffs, I don’t think they’re weak just not worth investing into over a staff unless youre gunker

[urban sandal]

with shriek it's actually hella fast now

never tried EP but I imagine it would be crazy with both shriek and ep

[mighty cipher]

You're thinking of kinetic resonance

But yeah

[urban sandal]

no shit

[brave fiber]

I think main issue with BR is that it’s got a bit of an identity crisis. FS wants to make it really good at killing elites and specials, but it would be much better if it did more substantial damage to carapace and unyielding enemies

god knows psyker needs it

[urban sandal]

with the speed you can pop them off now I would say it has good cara damage

[brave fiber]

It’s got decent carapace damage

But not enough to warrant using it specifically for that purpose imo

[feral knoll]

Me: “Man this killing an elite with your 100% explosion one must be hard”

Gets it first try

[urban sandal]

yeah I just use it for specialists and ranged elites generally unless they happen to be really far away

between ds4, trauma staff and bb I'm all set for carapace damage anyway

[brave fiber]

Best thing about BR is being able to lock on to something and hide in cover

[feral knoll]

Anyone have advice to get the cliffhanger penance (knocking 7 or so people over an edge in like 2 seconds)

[urban sandal]

hab dreyko extraction getaway, on the ramp that goes up and around towards the valkyrie there's a hole that enemies will pour through, wait on the opposite side of the cliff and use shriek when a bunch of enemies drop

[hexed geyser]

And the espionnage mission where you upload data in the middle, on any of the little bridge when a wave comes.

[feral knoll]

Literally the one penance keeping me from getting things I want. Thanks lol

[hexed geyser]

That one and warp battery are by far the worst penances i've ever done

[feral knoll]

I just want the cool psi veil

Eye cover thingy

[hexed geyser]

You don't need cliffhanger for that lol

The metal thing around the eyes? It's just the basic penances for both of them, not the redacted ones

[true shell]

anyone wanna help me get the solo headpop penance?

[little rapids]

i got warp battery by accident

idfk ho

how

with shield i guess i never needed it

[haughty star]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAYAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Take that assail nerds

[stable halo]

ya just waddle vaguely towards a rager and can usually take one out

[feral knoll]

Cliffhanger has no right to be this hard

I’ll shriek like 4 dudes off the ledge and the others don’t budge or they don’t move at all lol

[urban sandal]

make sure you have high peril

[feral knoll]

Higher = more stagger I take it?

[urban sandal]

yeah

[feral knoll]

Yah I had one lined up on the Dreyko evac and then my stamina broke from guarding

[hoary badge]

There's also a catwalk at the very start of Dreyko which is what I got it from

[upper sun]

better than getting it on accident

[primal ravine]

the only one im missing for psyker is the one where I need to kill a monstrosity with brainburst for 90% hp, but i have no friends so I can'T do it

oh and to do 250 mission as psyker

[upper sun]

guys pls do 250 missions with me real quick

[primal ravine]

that would be nice if we could finish by tomorrow as well

[lapis violet]

and this is a problem why?

[patent wing]

i was just playing with a vet that had 850k dmg in 35m (auric mael)

[left dagger]

change Terrifying Barrage to Warp Nexusor Crit Damage to Flak?

Terrifying arguably more useless than + crit so leaning to nexus

[upper sun]

I would say nexus too but keep looking for staves burn is very important on purge

[primal ravine]

which gun was he running?

[patent wing]

agrip and a devil sword and he was using weapon specialist

[left dagger]

what would be dump stat to purg, Raidu or rreistance?

[patent wing]

dmg is dump stat on purge

[upper sun]

also quell speed

quell speed is a dump stat on 90% of staff paths since even 50% is an improvement on basic blitz quell and thats not awful

you can also switch to melee quell then switch back but thats too many key presses for my smooth brain

[patent wing]

i have a purge with 80% everywhere but 32% quell and its still the best i got thanks to hadron

and it kinda sux

[upper sun]

gimme a sec ill post mine

[left dagger]

so Terrifying to Nexus whil ei roll for better purg staff?

[patent wing]

its not a good staff

burn must be above 76 i think

thats no1

[upper sun]

yeah tbh use it as is its kind of a waste

[left dagger]

oh dang

[upper sun]

took me 6 attempts

[left dagger]

so ideally max burn cloud, 70 dmg, dump in res and quell?

[ionic needle]

That's a disgusting purgatus

[harsh urchin]

76+ burn, 79-80 cloud, dump dmg, 70+ res/quell.

[upper sun]

yeah

[harsh urchin]

is the stats that I would aim for on a perfect one

[primal ravine]

yeah thats my setup, its hella broken lol

[left dagger]

oo interesting dmg is the dump

[harsh urchin]

yep cuz the dmg is the on-hit damage, the dot and the way it applies is related to the burn stat

you can see this if you mouse over the stat

[upper sun]

the game doesnt explain break points or where stats go very well like for one of the resolvers I have two one with reload speed at 50 and at 70 and their speeds are 2.40s and 2.50s

you have to go into the special "roboute guilliman" autism mode to see useful things

[patent wing]

the autogun too?

[primal ravine]

Nah I'm runnning agrippa stub revolver

I 2-3 hit crusher

[upper sun]

deadshot and tag i take it?

[patent wing]

cant find a build with weapon specialist with executioner

[left dagger]

oo i see. back to rolling at brunts then

[upper sun]

I kinda wanna do an asshole move on vet i'm pretty sure ill get kicked out of games for it but the damage output would be insane

if i bind tag to the same button as my attack key

i would do so much damage

[patent wing]

i was about to go afk i had 2 of those autogun vets in my team

12 mutants are incoming? u bet that noone would even reach us

[upper sun]

its so nice that the vet setup really prepares you for whats about to happen

recon? just leave the game no way you're winning plasma/autogun you're in for a chill time

[patent wing]

the rending talents are just to strong i think

[upper sun]

theres a very good guide for it on youtube

explains every single talent

[left dagger]

Unyielding to flak?

[harsh urchin]

unyield is good

unarmored to flak

[left dagger]

kk

[harsh urchin]

the good perks for purg are: flak, crit, unyield

[upper sun]

nice

[left dagger]

huh to use on Reaper and bosses?

[upper sun]

now thats a roll

[harsh urchin]

ye primarily for bulwarks and bosses

[left dagger]

oo bulwarks too yeah

too bad lv3 warp flurry, coping with 1% less charge time potentially

[upper sun]

warp 3 is fine

[primal ravine]

yep peak veteran

[near drift]

it's free real estate

[frail harness]

That's because the auto equip of stance doesn't proc WS

[wind spruce]

I'm so fucking mad about this change

[haughty star]

smite OP

pls nerf

[wind spruce]

Even less reason to take assail over psykinetics aura now 😦

[left dagger]

;you werent kidding on +unyielding purg on bosses

[feral verge]

There's more you can do

Get deimos force sword

With uncanny strike + executor

Set boss on fire with purga a bit

Swap to deimos, hit it's head a few times

Uncanny strike and executor will proc

And boost the damage of the purga soul blaze stacks

Soul blaze benefits from whatever weapon you have equipped

[left dagger]

dang ill have to choose deflector to exec so cant swap flak to Unyielding

[feral verge]

So unyielding on a deimos sword will do more for you in this scenario, than it would on the staff

[feral verge]

You can do big boss damage without unyielding

So I would prioritize executor over unyielding dmg

[left dagger]

kk back to farming for tier4 exec then

[feral verge]

But know, that flak is useless on deimos. It won't kill any flak enemies faster

Because flak enemies get 1 shot by it anyway

Elite damage, unyielding damage would be better

[left dagger]

yeah its a suboptimal spread

[harsh urchin]

I also wouldn't use that weapon straight up

finesse is a mandatory stat

[feral verge]

Also, once boss is set on fire with purga a bit, use fire shriek ultimate (at about 85% peril) to put even more soul blaze stacks on the boss

[harsh urchin]

you want that high as possible

[left dagger]

yeah a shame finess got dumped in this one

[harsh urchin]

it affects attackspeed which affects how the wep feels, and also weakspot damage, which impacts everything lol

[feral verge]

Because venting shriek temporarily boosts max possible stacks of soul blaze

Default Max stacks is 16 (at 76% burn stat) and fire venting shriek will add an additional + 6 stacks, for a total of 22 stacks. Stacks start decaying after 8 seconds, I believe

@spice veldt I summon thee, idiot. NVM I have no need of you, also you are stupid

[upper sun]

1-6 stacks based on peril i think

[feral verge]

The break point for Max stacks is 83% peril I believe

Iirc

[viscid matrix]

6 stacks at 84%ish might be 83

[harsh urchin]

100 * (5/6) = 83.33-

[copper torrent]

Does the projectile change affect shriek burn?

[wind spruce]

I very much doubt it

[lapis violet]

bricked

weeel, maybe

switching sprint eff to maniac and getting double ball might save it

[radiant frigate]

nono

[lapis violet]

but getting double ball as 2nd blessing is a must

otherwise kinda bricked

[radiant frigate]

you can still play the patented Blazing Surge Voidstrike

keep it

[lapis violet]

i love gambling so i'm rolling 2nd blessing anyway

[upper sun]

flak isnt horrible

LETS GOOOOO

[radiant frigate]

flak good

[upper sun]

BIG MONEY BIG MONEY

[lapis violet]

99.999999% of gamblers quit just before hitting the jackpot

[upper sun]

So tru so tru now stop edging us whats the second blessing?

[lapis violet]

no clue fam

am poor