psyker-class

[lyric burrow]

simply were unaware

[lunar hollow]

sometimes u get a true aim proc on a poxburster and then this happens

[austere crest]

yehaw

[lyric burrow]

i hate to say it josho but i think the answer was to not shoot at the poxburster

after the first one

[lunar hollow]

i didnt wanna put the void away

i was havin fun

[austere crest]

bonk it

[lunar hollow]

u cant deny a man his entertainment

[austere crest]

u wont

[lunar hollow]

that other psyker tried to save me

he got overheaded

[lyric burrow]

you could have at least bonked it yeah

[lunar hollow]

it was a 2 for 1

the heretics outplayed me

nothing i could do

[lyric burrow]

you can even charge up the bonk

[lunar hollow]

dude the last time i used a staff special

it was in like june

and i got mad at how the timing from input to the actual bash was so slow you couldn't use muscle memory from a gun bash like brauto or bolter to push a poxburster

[lyric burrow]

yeah its like 3 years later

[austere crest]

heavy bonk works

[lunar hollow]

lmao

[lyric burrow]

it is so sad

that you have to heavy bonk

that is like a 80 frame animation

[austere crest]

prob still faster to Q-push-Q

its charming to me how much this game crashes

[lyric burrow]

almost certaintly

[austere crest]

still not as bad as helldivers, but at least a crash or two a night

[lunar hollow]

memory leak my beloved

[lyric burrow]

Q-push-Q is what i use

99% of the time

[austere crest]

i remapped my mouse wheel to melee up, staff down, and its honestly so much nicer than Q alot of the time

[lyric burrow]

i try to avoid using mouse wheel if i can

except to ping

ill use it over numpad oddly enough

but since this game has Q and G i just use those

[austere crest]

tru, i have mostly everything on a mouse button

except ult

[lyric burrow]

yeah i use my mouse button to crouch

mostly for sliding

and the other is still special

[austere crest]

if panic, i dont over Q this way, i get the guaranteed weapon with scroll

[lyric burrow]

never had an issue with that

[austere crest]

yeah me too

i do but i got panic fingers

and i play too fast

[lyric burrow]

i have def like gotten stuck sometimes trying to use Q

and then i just stare at the poxburster or i use peril at 100% and die

then arco tee bags me

[austere crest]

yeah thats what i would do, swap to melee and realize i didnt as i explode

[austere crest]

hawt

[vernal blaze]

how long until im not fiending for dockets

will it be a few hundred hours after i finish hunting for blessings

[lyric burrow]

yeah i think he enjoys it a little too much

[urban sandal]

finished hunting for blessings in a few hundred hours hey

[vernal blaze]

havent been particularly vigilant when it came to nabbing every t4 blessing i could get my hands on

230? hours in and ive probably got a bit less than half

[urban sandal]

you'll be hunting for t4 blessings for like a thousand hours

it's all luck based

[austere crest]

i got em all , i want more

[vernal blaze]

not me forgetting to check for flechette on random brunt shotguns for the twentieth time this week

[spice veldt]

yes

i deny them

[austere crest]

dont feel bad, im now 36mil in on my surge staff search

im gonna go annoy some auric players for a lil

i spawned into downed team, started to revive, died

XD

[wind spruce]

As if you don't have a God roll surge

[untold niche]

36 mil?

not one god roll?

[austere crest]

ordos

oh many

just not what i want

i want super specific modifiers and roll

im close

[untold niche]

how come

[austere crest]

real close

[untold niche]

what do you want specifically. am just curious.

[austere crest]

ive been soloing a pub auric and no one has joined

almost to first event

stopping to type lol

i want all 80s and shit quell speed

[urban sandal]

I struggle to find a full auric maelstrom lately

[austere crest]

with the same blessings but maxed

come join

3 spots

[untold niche]

why you want shit quell speed tho

[urban sandal]

I just got off for the night

[austere crest]

nvm full now

[urban sandal]

the node before warp siphon keystone makes up for it

[spice veldt]

i suppose you can just quell with your blitz if nothing else

0% quell speed staff with 100% everything else

[wide lake]

My time as a dakka spark 'ead has come

[rigid sky]

Just remember

if the voices tell you to throw one more assail out during SG

listen to them, they wouldn't hurt you :)

[viscid heart]

Whats the best map for getting the cliffhanger penance?

[vernal blaze]

I'd assume it would be the prison holdout section final event one

[wide lake]

I got at the last part of the map that you upload false data into the server in the middle

[vernal blaze]

fuck me if I'm gonna remember the names of these missions though

[wide lake]

one that u have to scan bodies first then go up the lift

[vernal blaze]

it's one of the torrent missions

[wind spruce]

Yeah me too

[wide lake]

Espionage Mission iirc

[viscid heart]

Haha, alright thanks for the suggestions!

[vernal blaze]

we're talking about the same one

[wide lake]

I donno, they sound a lot like zealot with blood and skull I'm about to take

[viscid heart]

Penance has been surprisingly difficult

I just got my malleus monstronum one finally

[vernal blaze]

just run shout with neither of the secondary perks

the damage/soulblaze one

[viscid heart]

yeah I am

Just been lookin for a good spot

[vernal blaze]

I hope you at least have a general idea of what we're talking about when we say the prison holdout section

[viscid heart]

I think i do

[vernal blaze]

the one where you're in that small island on the last scan with the two bridges

[viscid heart]

Can you do it in a private game? Or does it have to be public

[near drift]

cliffhanger is public and private allowed

[urban sandal]

hab dreyko extraction getaway, there’s a spot where enemies pour through on the ramp heading up and around towards the valkyrie, I just waited for a bunch of pox walkers to drop and used shriek

[rigid sky]

Vigil Station Oblivium?

[vernal blaze]

hab dreyko is one of the few map names I remember

actual horror movie when I first played it

it was probably my third damnation run ever

and it was hi stg

[urban sandal]

monstrous specialists maelstrom in the final event can be real crazy

especially if there’s nurgles blessing

[vernal blaze]

not ringing any bells

[wide lake]

one with actual prison section iirc

assassination

[vernal blaze]

no that was like

something oubliette right

the final event I'm talking about was the one with the holdout section with the uhhh

scanning bit with the minigame

[urban sandal]

vigil station oblivium is the torrent map that ends with the interrogator stacks n has 4 narrow bridges

[vernal blaze]

I swear it was two bridges

the other two sides were just normal paths, one had more of a balcony kinda deal

[urban sandal]

it’s 2 up top and 2 below it

[austere crest]

holy shit that was a crazy mission

[vernal blaze]

right there's the entrance bridges

[urban sandal]

yeah

[austere crest]

yes yes exactly, the 10% quell 10% chance is really great too

with the quell speed node its the only stat i dont mind losing

[vernal blaze]

man I don't like the reuse of map tiles I know it lightens the load for devs but i cant remember which mission uses this shared tile but transitions into another unique one

[austere crest]

thats how all games are tho

[vernal blaze]

this is the part where I make an obligatory comparison to vermintide 2 isn't it

[austere crest]

the more i got into modeling for vr stuff the more i learned about repeating objects/map pieces

[rigid sky]

I like the re-use personally

it makes Atoma feel like a connected whole

[austere crest]

feels like the same place

[rigid sky]

like popping out of the Torrent at the very beginning of Archivum Sycorax

[austere crest]

bc enclavum baross is literally out front of archivum for instance, and alot of things are just lower levels of the same area

[rigid sky]

or going under the train tracks in Chasm Terminus, then over the same train tracks in Ascension Riser 31

this shit makes me happy

[austere crest]

yea

the one i notice the most is the floor of the psyhanium

[vernal blaze]

yeah I like pointing out like 'oh yeah I've been here before and this door wasnt open before' but if you told me to describe any section of a random map I'd be stunlocked for a full minute

[rigid sky]

One map where you go up the lift in the torrent, the other one where you go down the same lift

[austere crest]

and everytime i see it i know i can kite the room in a circle just like orthus offensive, same floor, or either carnival map's events

[spice veldt]

big sad when i stand on the wrong side of the elevator where the button isn't

[austere crest]

i think orthus offensiuve is the coolest mod they did to a map tho

it actually feels like a trap

[rigid sky]

I really want them to do one in the Mourningstar at some point

like repelling an enemy boarding assault

[spice veldt]

something that makes use of the tutorial tileset would be nice

[rigid sky]

think I've seen a few people suggesting the same idea but it really appeals to me

I'd like one part to be venting a hangar filled with heretics into space

[austere crest]

NOoooooo

i was so close

[rigid sky]

Perfection right?

until toaster mum ruins it

[austere crest]

ugh

its a shit staff and shit roll :/

flurry and barrage sucha waste

[urban sandal]

[rigid sky]

Flurry is great

[urban sandal]

thats the only good thing

on it

[austere crest]

unneeded with anim cancel tho

[rigid sky]

it's the other shit that's the problem

[upper sun]

i feel u bro

[rigid sky]

What would you rather have though?

Obviously Nexus

[austere crest]

run n gun and warp nexus

[rigid sky]

but blessing #2

[upper sun]

id love to get something useful on surge

[rigid sky]

I barely touch surge staff anyway so idk I guess

worst gameplay loop for me

[austere crest]

literally this with all 80s and low quell speed with T4 Ranged

[bitter walrus]

What perks should a surge staff have?

[rigid sky]

ew crit damage

[austere crest]

best perk

[upper sun]

crit damage is usless on it

[austere crest]

XD

[urban sandal]

crit damage is useless full stop

[austere crest]

silly psykers

[rigid sky]

The perk we all wish was good

but is actually shite

[austere crest]

its for primary fire

no secondary

[upper sun]

flak and elite if you cant get elite crit chance or unyielding

[austere crest]

if u run surge dont do my roll

[upper sun]

what is primary fire?

[austere crest]

😮

[bitter walrus]

K

[austere crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8LqegN-fb0&t

[spice veldt]

i really like the tighter and smaller map sections of the tutorial, though i suppose it is designed purely for a single player

[austere crest]

60% crit chance at high peril is lovely

[austere crest]

`RIGHT!?

i want another mission like that so bad

[lyric burrow]

Yeah give me faster moving missions

So people learn to not like

Stand in place and fight stuff for 30 minutes

[austere crest]

oops i mean to link this one since it was yesterday sorry for video spam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElGE0dFoj5o&t

[viscid heart]

got my cliffhanger done. ANd now i have every psyker penance. whew

[austere crest]

exactly the thought process of my build, never stop never stopping

[austere crest]

Yay!! <3<#

[viscid heart]

❤️

[austere crest]

Proud of you sibling

[spice veldt]

the tutorial really does remind me of some nice l4d2 custom maps

[austere crest]

i love how the story is unfolding as you go through it too

idk i run it on solo mode sometimes bc its just a cool setting

just wish u could raise the intensity and bring a load out

But yeah CritChance/Damage are going to effect the primary fire LMB of staves not the secondary RMB so on run-n-gun its the best for all around consistent damage. A normal surge build would be Carapace/Flak/Maniac/Unyielding for sure

normal staff use just gets boring after a while until they make some new ones

[urban sandal]

on the bridge where you first encounter bruisers you can see so much if you peek over the sides in either direction

and they just never made a map like that

[upper sun]

yeah I have one dam/chanc but i suck at aiming primiary fire on staves so i dont run it

[austere crest]

try making it a run-n gun one, it gives 10% more damage while sprinting too

you can just run through shit

the most slept on blessing across the board

[upper sun]

its maxed on mods came with flurry barrage and infested/crit damage

[austere crest]

dont u get mad everytime u get infested/groaner perks

[upper sun]

yeah

[austere crest]

that 380 kinda sexy tho

[upper sun]

ye i really wanted unyielding or elite or manic instead of crit but anything is better than infested

[austere crest]

if u get ranged perks like that , get practice with the animation cancel

[acoustic swallow]

should i change unyielding to maniac or should i change crit dmg to crit chance for a smite build?

[upper sun]

hell ill take stamina over infested

[austere crest]

same

[upper sun]

you mean the quell animation cancelling?

[austere crest]

yeah

break your fingers daily 😛

[upper sun]

ive done it a few times on accident is there a guide for doing it consistently?

[austere crest]

tap quell the split second it shoots, and then rock your fingers back and forth

for a while i could only get a few out before id inevibly rush it and double hit keys

id get so sad seeing other psykers in game being able to shoot super fast and couldnt get it to click

[cold geode]

I used to use a macro to do it back in the day.

Was silly with void

[austere crest]

i tried that last year too and couldnt get the macro to do it right so i gave up and then started relearning just this past month

[graceful cypress]

Is the warpfire staff any good?

Or should I not bother with the close range stuff as a psyker

[austere crest]

yeah on void, you can q cancel on secondary the same way while just holding rmb down while u do it instead

[dim parrot]

so like at the same time or right after?

[austere crest]

u just get powerful consistency

right after

the second the shoot animation starts, tap quell, and you'll hear it get cut off

[rigid sky]

It's good enough

[austere crest]

or you'll shake your hands violently not doing anything XD

[rigid sky]

Take a long range blitz with it

[dim parrot]

Ok I will try to learn it for the funnsies

[austere crest]

its clutch to do when u need a lot of power in a rush

but i dont do it every time because fingers, and its probably super annoying to hear

[rigid sky]

Also consider Trauma with Blazing Spirit if you want more explosive fire

[austere crest]

^

[graceful cypress]

?

[dim parrot]

maybe if the game throws a good trauma my way, but def not gonna farm for that lmao

[graceful cypress]

I'm level 24 on my psyker and I have no clue on what your talking ABT.

[dim parrot]

when u grow up sibling, u will understand

[austere crest]

the consistency of crit is kinda nutty, if you have dodge ranged on crit and speed/damage on crit, it just gets stupid

[dim parrot]

why does it look like your fighting godzilla

[austere crest]

im in japan

[cold geode]

Trauma staff with blazing spirit and warp nexus. Crits apply fire stacks to targets.

[austere crest]

in my soul

[wind spruce]

I managed it but the macro was hilariously convuluted

[dim parrot]

I also want darktide japan update pls

[wind spruce]

It had multiple delays and repeated itself internally

[austere crest]

yeah iut was fucky

[wind spruce]

Super jank but it worked perfectly

[austere crest]

oh mine was not perfectly

it would do like burst shots

but not consistent ones

[graceful cypress]

Please put that in dumbass terminology, I have never heard of these two things

[wind spruce]

I could hold it down and it would just machine gun

[graceful cypress]

Trama staff?

Warp nexus?

[austere crest]

roll more staffs

[graceful cypress]

Me not know what that is.

[dim parrot]

get to level 30 first sibling

[wind spruce]

If you don't know what trauma staff is probably just go play the game

[austere crest]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

[graceful cypress]

Ah ok

[austere crest]

just get the experience in sibling, you learn the terms over time

[cold geode]

Trauma staff. Make circle on ground, blow up. Blazing spirit applies fire to targets when you get critical hits. Warp nexus gives critical chance.

You blow people up and set them on fire at the same time.

[graceful cypress]

Ohhh

Om

Ok

That makes sense now

[rigid sky]

Trauma's main weakness is steep damage drop-off outside of the epicentre of the blast

But blazing spirit means if it crits, everyone in that circle gets 3 stacks of burn

[graceful cypress]

But wouldn't you also still have the crowd knockdown effect?

[rigid sky]

Right to the very edge

[rigid sky]

Yeah baby

[austere crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUNfzOig86E

[graceful cypress]

It's still a good delay tactic for hordes and chaff

[rigid sky]

It doesn't stop being a Trauma staff

It just makes its damage much wider

[graceful cypress]

Ah

[rigid sky]

But most importantly

It looks fancy as fuck

[austere crest]

to give an idea hat, the area around the circle, would all be soulblaze with the blazing spirit blessing

[untold niche]

tbh, you don't need to care about these stuff until you hit 30 hatman

[rigid sky]

Yeah, this is something to look forward to in the future

Trauma staff in general is a level 30 toy

[austere crest]

careful its addicting too

[rigid sky]

It isn't functional without level 30 stat distribution

[austere crest]

eh

[rigid sky]

And on top of that it's the hardest staff to learn to play

[austere crest]

releveling for fun with poopy traumas are still pretty fun

[radiant frigate]

seen this happen once as i was taken out by a silent burster

[austere crest]

pop very easy sometiimes

[cold geode]

Which is funny cause its the staff you get in the tutorial

[radiant frigate]

the remaining two teammates were like, pistol and knife enjoyers

[austere crest]

u got a staff in the tutorial??

[rigid sky]

And on top of THAT, the blazing spirit build is the hardest Trauma to build and tonplay

[radiant frigate]

they ran around for the next 5 minutes and never got to the revive bit

[austere crest]

i think i just had a devils claw

[rigid sky]

Because you have to ride high peril on it

[cold geode]

If I remember correctly

[austere crest]

i think they unlock at like level 4? i could be wrong, its been a minute

[cold geode]

Though its been over a year lol

[rigid sky]

I think psyker starts with a laspistol

[austere crest]

XD

[rigid sky]

Accatran

[austere crest]

pew, pew, pew

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[untold niche]

laspistol felt good on zealot ngl

[rigid sky]

Well accatran is more like pewpewpewpewpew

[plucky flax]

It's not harder to play than rending trauma. It's just hard cos trauma aim. Much harder to build though probably the hardest weapon to craft in the game.

[untold niche]

n00b

[rigid sky]

Until your mouse falls apart

[rigid sky]

It's more critical to ride high peril with

[cold geode]

[rigid sky]

Or you don't start fires as consistently

[graceful cypress]

To be honest periling is something that happens to me more than it should

[rigid sky]

Depends on the weapons imo

[graceful cypress]

I once tried to quell and got domed by a sniper, didn't down me but I did still explode

[untold niche]

just have the habit of looking at your peril after you do something

[rigid sky]

Also if you ever change your peril generation rate

You will fuck up on your next match

[austere crest]

lol

^^

[rigid sky]

I dropped a 10% peril resist node on my trauma build to go more toughness

[untold niche]

how are you invis

[graceful cypress]

Also what warp shenanigans did you do to do this?

[rigid sky]

And blew up in first contact lol

[austere crest]

u get so locked in to muscle memory

[untold niche]

thats why i don't run the % to quell peril on kill nodes when i am peril edging

[austere crest]

is from when we were testing venting shriek's shape/size

solo mod u can go invisible like psykhanium

[untold niche]

wati can you get mats from solo mod?

[austere crest]

mats?

no

nothing counts

completely offline mission

[untold niche]

ohh

[graceful cypress]

You know what I'm glad for

The fact that psyker can't friendly fire

[austere crest]

same

[graceful cypress]

Because if he could he would end so many runs

The amount of times psyker would kill their own team from periling alone would be insane

[untold niche]

nobody explodes at a5

well almost nobody

[graceful cypress]

I don't play haz 5

I try haz 4 but get shitstoomped alot

I have had 2 successful Haz 4 games and they were with ogryn and zealot.

It's a large jump from Haz 3 for sure.

Can't imagine how difficult Haz 5 would be

[radiant frigate]

i thought you were talking about drg

[plucky flax]

No he's talking about helldivers.

[radiant frigate]

i tried one mission of that with pubs

i would rather play solo in the future

simply put, i do not want to see this

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah.

So much team kills.

[radiant frigate]

blown up by teammates way more than by the enemy

so annoying

[plucky flax]

Danger close danger close.

Tbf on higher difficulty people are more aware of teammates when calling in airstrikes.

[radiant frigate]

that said i don't think i'll be playing it alone

[plucky flax]

Its hard alone.

I've played 1 round of darktide this week.

[radiant frigate]

i would still prefer DT

[plucky flax]

Fair. I do really like dt but fs is active killing their own game.

Updates are soooo slow.

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s more like passive killing, then

[plucky flax]

Actively doing nothing.

New class new weapons new maps new everything. So much they can do.

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, they certainly are doing something

[plucky flax]

And nothing is being done.

[vestal fulcrum]

Description of Ceaseless Barrage on Ogryn’s Stubbers says as much

[radiant frigate]

idk what that is or does

[mighty fractal]

This is just how Fatshark operates

they go silent for 5 months

[vestal fulcrum]

Doesn’t really matter, what matters is that its localisation is broken

[mighty fractal]

then drop a giant update out of the blue

then they go silent again

[vestal fulcrum]

And doesn’t generate appropriate description

AND the description suggests that its effect is being changed

Because there is no variable defined for it

[plucky flax]

Yeah but their way of working a game doesn't do them any favour. Some people check it out, some won't bother at all.

[mighty fractal]

FS is not very good at communicating

yes

[vestal fulcrum]

It… probably won’t change with their current headcount

[plucky flax]

And this game premium skins model is a joke. Randomly increased price because of 'extra work' with the same amount of clipping.

[vestal fulcrum]

I would have applied for CM position, have I had the required qualifications and lived in Stockholm

[radiant frigate]

i still find it really stupid that premium skins are on a rotation, and not in a catalogue

imagine someone asks you about an outfit you have and all you can say is "idk when it's available again, i got it june 2023"

[vestal fulcrum]

Ha ha. What are you, stooped? Can’t read or visually comprehend more than 3 cosmetic item pages at a time?

[mighty fractal]

that's the worst part of the current mtx

[plucky flax]

Yeah top dogs in gaming companies don't care about the actual games.

[mighty fractal]

It'd probably generate more revenue if they had a big catalogue and then randomly put a set of skins for each class on sale every week

[radiant frigate]

Yes

kind of like, oh idk, vermintide 2

[mighty fractal]

just a misguided application of rotating cash shops

my guess, by some monetization team they hired

[radiant frigate]

imagine giving money to people so they tell you how to make money

get scammed idiot

[mighty fractal]

That's a lot of the gaming industry

surprisingly

or not so surprisingly honestly

There are a lot of consulting firms out there that will tell you how to market or monetize your game

[plucky flax]

Larian studios head. He does care about his games and his players.

[mighty fractal]

idk about that..

he wears the funny armor

[plucky flax]

I hope he can secure warhammer fantasy license and make an rpg game in the settings.

If he wanted to I'm sure game workshop would considering the success of bg3.

[mighty fractal]

just dont expect that game to be finished on release either 🙂

[sullen sphinx]

At least we have our 40k rpg with Rouge Trader

[mighty fractal]

incoming comments about owlcat releases also being unfinished

[radiant frigate]

games? finished on release? in this economy?

[mighty fractal]

Or never, really!

[plucky flax]

Yeah but the level of 'unfinished release' in bg3 is miles above every other recent launches.

Credit to them there have been a lot of missing contents added since release last August.

[mighty fractal]

it's a weird myth that there was this golden age where games released finished and polidhed

because that is just not true

[sullen sphinx]

Game didn't fry my PC, so it was a resounding success by owlcat

[radiant frigate]

it only took me half a year to actually finish bg3

[plucky flax]

Darktide was released 1 whole year early and we were the testers.

Paid them to test their game feelsbad

[radiant frigate]

i was baited into DT at release by my bf

[dim parrot]

bread

[radiant frigate]

I agree

bread

[rigid sky]

oh man

maelstrom hab dreyko with a fucking bot for 90% of the level

the finale is really really bad if you're stuck with a bot

that's actually put me off playing for a little bit

[mighty fractal]

I got blasted by two silent bursters in the melee mael that's up right now

very fun

[rigid sky]

I guess quickplay can't put people into a maelstrom in progress

[mighty fractal]

Nope

[rigid sky]

so if the mission ticks over to the next one

you're fucked

[sullen sphinx]

Purple bursters are fair and balanced

[mighty fractal]

yeah it stinky

[rigid sky]

I guess I'll try to only queue for maelstrom if there's 45 minutes on the timer or something

dogshit design

[mighty fractal]

my current game is two zealots going down and chain-leaving/rejoining

[radiant frigate]

very epic

[mighty fractal]

the lack of actual lobbies/matchmaking is probably the thing that annoys me the most about this game atm

but that's not changing

[radiant frigate]

i miss taal's horn keep

[untold niche]

thanks mr agent.

[mighty fractal]

QP-only promotes a weird culture where people leave and join games constantly

[sullen sphinx]

Yea, it's weird to see chains of people leaving and rejoining in a dire situation, I think my record was 7 people in the row

[mighty fractal]

It's good for match quantity, but not match quality

[dim parrot]

for me its joining a mission with chance that something something become monstrosities, just for me to be the last player alive and us failing so that I cant play the mission again because its gone

[mighty fractal]

^^^

Especially with how slow connecting to matches and to the hub is

[dim parrot]

also that yeah, just makes it so painful and it doesn't help that u of course have to join mid game with 2 players already dead and u on 1 wound

joining mid game is either the round has just started or madness

[plucky flax]

I like joining game at end event.

Free leech.

[untold niche]

usuall i have people abusing the bot thing
I hate that, i rathe lose.
i seldom get legit quitters

[rigid sky]

I quit if I realise I am tilting

Mostly happens on psyker

[untold niche]

how come

[radiant frigate]

perils of the warp IRL

don't give in to the voices, sibling

[sullen sphinx]

Stay calm, sibling

[untold niche]

heh.

[radiant frigate]

like the "everyone is down and the last one standing just got dogged"?

when suddenly a bot materializes out of nowhere

[untold niche]

yeah and you see the person that joins have the same username

also usually i don't try to clutch unless i feel director is giving me a chance, im too lazy.
Im just an average player.

[mighty fractal]

it also makes it hard to play maps that aren't just what QP throws you into

[sullen sphinx]

And goes down the second time to the same trapper

[mighty fractal]

because QP seems to prefer the most recently spawned map

overall, I think those problems are more of a threat to the game's longevity than slow updates

that's just youtuber concern shit

[untold niche]

i still think this game needs more skill expression
got repetitive for me. (though tbh the other pushing force was noob vets, admittedly)

That said i want a similar casual game where its casual enough i can pick up any time but it has some difficulty that i get satisfaction from playing it

[sullen sphinx]

Or maybe some fun modifiers that change gameplay, just not another "wave of [insert specialist name]"

[mighty fractal]

I wish it were like VT2 where you could host a lobby (without a 60-sec timer), and QP could throw people into your lobby

but alas

[mighty fractal]

Skill expression in what way?

Movement?

[half cradle]

I also miss Horn's Keep bulshittery before a game starts

[untold niche]

its hard to do this that forces you to change your approach instead of just your build
i.e. the one people found most fun, the one with crushers and maulers mostly, if im on zealot, i defo won't run caxe of course

[mighty fractal]

Slower weapons that promote deliberate attack patterns?

[untold niche]

i was discussing this with arco some time back

[plucky flax]

I only run op stuff.

[untold niche]

hold on lemme find

the messages

[plucky flax]

Like surge staff on psyker and stealth combat axe on zealot.

[spice veldt]

stuff that requires more inputs and stuff would be nice

cuz a lot of stuff in this game you can just spam

[plucky flax]

[spice veldt]

neat weapons like zealot's Crusher whose combo you actively think about

[plucky flax]

Why play crusher when you can smash the left click on combat axe and do better.

[untold niche]

#psyker-class message

Scroll up, scroll down. this was the one i recall the most fondly though.

[spice veldt]

i like the mk5 duelling sword's heavy -> heavy -> light combo though it is on the more basic end of things

[spice veldt]

i cri

[untold niche]

@mighty fractal

[plucky flax]

If they tone down combat axe I might play more crusher.

[mighty fractal]

Timed quell?

[spice veldt]

i like crusher in premades cuz Skullcrusher is an unironically great blessing

[lunar hollow]

unethical

[spice veldt]

highly ethical

[plucky flax]

But right now crusher is just a much sadder bm axe. And I don't love that weapon like some do so no reason for me to play it.

I do really like combat axe though it's just a meaty cleaver.

[untold niche]

above it i had a suggestion that the game encourage quell cancelling.

[plucky flax]

Chopping heads feel good man.

[spice veldt]

i love me caxe zealot

martyrdom to go with it, of course

highly ethical build

[untold niche]

i suck on that build

i suck on zealot

;-;

[plucky flax]

Combat axe and og chainaxe have really good weapon feed back.

Cleaving 4 heads in 1 swing with a meaty thump feels nice.

[spice veldt]

yeah they have a nice "stop cleaving" weapon anim thingy going on

[radiant frigate]

not to fond of axes

[untold niche]

people tell me, when face 12 gunners just dodge and slide
but then i do that and still die, veyr sad.

[plucky flax]

Use your range.

Use your grenade.

[radiant frigate]

12 gunners from one direction ok

[plucky flax]

Use your ability.

[radiant frigate]

12 gunners but from 2 angles bad

[upper sun]

heavy caxes are amazing

[untold niche]

12 gunners from 180*

[plucky flax]

Use the environment.

[untold niche]

am running kant,
i don't want to pre-kill 6 before i dive in

[plucky flax]

Use brain.

[untold niche]

its not

[upper sun]

yeah thats why the emperor gave you grenades and cover

[untold niche]

thematic.

[untold niche]

;-;

i do use cover

[radiant frigate]

when you said that i thought of comrade Immanuel

[sullen sphinx]

Use your INCOMPARABLE MIND

[plucky flax]

I like kant shotgun.

It's so cool.

[upper sun]

grenades are used for more things than getting a dog off a teammate whos 3 levels above you

[plucky flax]

Good against specials.

[mighty fractal]

Could be interesting, I think I see what you mean

[plucky flax]

And monsters.

[untold niche]

i just don't like shooting 6 gunners with my shotgun before i dive in, kind of disrupts my gameplay flow

and its not cool

[upper sun]

the snipy shotgun is nice

[untold niche]

NOT COOL

[upper sun]

it has long and short range

[radiant frigate]

i wish to slap them but they knock me back

[mighty fractal]

(personally I want dual axes but yeah)

[radiant frigate]

angy

[plucky flax]

I'd use it on psyker if we could. Illisi assail kantrael sounds kinda pog.

[mighty fractal]

Yeah we could use some more weapons with unusual combos that reward you for knowing how each move chains into another move

like the Crusher

[untold niche]

give me a weapon with DMC combos

imagine you float an entire horde

[mighty fractal]

or slower, more deliberate weapons that force you to think about each strike for huge damage (2h ogryn weapons cough cough)

nurgle fears dante imo

[plucky flax]

Give full auto shotgun.

Aa12

[mighty fractal]

It is a bit absurd that the weapons with the most LMB horde clear also have some of the highest individual hit damage

[untold niche]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/devilmaycry/images/e/e1/Rain_Storm.gif/revision/latest?cb=20180616132737

[mighty fractal]

as well as high stagger

[spice veldt]

no brain activity in this household

[mighty fractal]

I do think this game does have quite a bit of skill expression, though

it's mostly in map knowledge, good movement tech, and positioning

but 'smarter' weapons would be very welcome

[spice veldt]

yeah, i want some more "in the moment" sort of things

[untold niche]

i want more tech.
Turn down power level, give power level to those who can execute tech.

[spice veldt]

and just doing more interesting inputs over the course of the game

rather than "press LMB the same way throughout the entire match"

[spice veldt]

pppppppppppsword

[untold niche]

FUCK PSWORD

psword should cost hp on charge
as well as pgun

best take 10/10

[mighty fractal]

nahhh

it should just cost more toughness to vent

it was horrid when plasma cost health to vent

that was one of the things keeping its power in check, funnily enough

[untold niche]

exactly.

make the n00b vet kill himself

very cool gameplay idea.

[mighty fractal]

i hardly see psword in auric and mael, oddly enough

I think people are just bored of it

plenty of plasma still, of course 🙂

[untold niche]

hardly?

bro you should come to SEA

psword + pgun

[mighty fractal]

maybe not hardly, but not as much as you'd think

[untold niche]

very cool.

[mighty fractal]

North American vets seem to have taken a liking to knives

for whatever reason

[dim parrot]

lmao

can one play in different regions?

or is it unbearable

[untold niche]

its similar to what you will feel on normal fps games

[spice veldt]

this is killing me so much

[untold niche]

i.e. if i played on EU server i can't hit anything

[mighty fractal]

it's very fiting

[spice veldt]

though they're doing the same as people with other builds so i'm like whatever

but i have seen so much combat knife + revolver

on NA west

[mighty fractal]

I get multiple per game constantly

[untold niche]

seal team 6: John Darktide?

[mighty fractal]

shout, knife, revolver

nonstop

[spice veldt]

the thing that makes me fearful is if it's a youtuber build

or if it's just some convergent behavior

[mighty fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/puipui12-puipui天竺鼠車車-pui-pui-molcar-馬鈴薯-potato-gif-20859666

[untold niche]

[mighty fractal]

it's probably a power fantasy thing plus shoutvolver being a top tier loadout

like

[lunar hollow]

u must simply study the blade

[mighty fractal]

people want to run one-man-army rambo vet

and it just so happens that some of the best talents and weapons fit the bill

so they run revolver and shout

knife is there for the ride

(plus vet arguably has better melee damage talents for knife than zealot, Chastise notwithstanding)

Vet has more damage multipliers

Zealot has way more frontline self-sustain talents

[untold niche]

so from most to least, im pretty sure it goes for dev's love of the classes.
vet>oggie>zealot=>psyker

[dim parrot]

is it not
vet,zealot,oggie,psyker?

[spice veldt]

looking over my recordings, I have 3 games in a row with a knife + revolver player (2 vets, 1 zealot)

[lunar hollow]

all 3 of them me

[spice veldt]

die

[mighty fractal]

I've even seen knife + revolver gunkers lately

madness

[untold niche]

could be but oggie overtuned.
Zealot defo has more expression.

[lunar hollow]

im even more annoying than a knife revolver player

so

[mighty fractal]

Oggy wishes it had zealot's frontline talents

[lunar hollow]

be careful what u wish for arco

[dim parrot]

true, but zealot got the hammer first

[mighty fractal]

imagine ogg with TWBS

or Holy Rev

[untold niche]

oggie has the node that give him twbs on heavy attack iirc

[spice veldt]

fine, you may continue to exist if only to dilute the amount of knife/revolver players in the darktide player pool

[mighty fractal]

Nobody takes that

[untold niche]

uninterruptible

[mighty fractal]

And it's only for heavies

[lunar hollow]

shovel bolter is simply sublime

[mighty fractal]

zealot doesn't even have to think to get value out of TWBS

it's just THERE

[untold niche]

oggie just whack and toughness goes back full

don't even have to dodge as oggie

oggie doesn't need twbs because his toughness never gets broken anyway

[mighty fractal]

I’m not sure if you understand just how stupidly good twbs is :x

Ogryn still hates it when something interrupts him, breaks his toughness, and now he has to take health damage to get toughness back

Ogg and zealot are actually pretty well designed as two sides of the same melee coin

In a vacuum, ogryn is practically invincible in a thick horde because he builds toughness forever

[untold niche]

how often you break toughness as oggie say real :v

[mighty fractal]

And Ogryn is great

(Toughness ogryn is also absurd right now)

a lot of Ogryn’s weaknesses are less tangible

[untold niche]

oggies's only weakness is that he is fat and the walls aren't big enough to cover all of him.

[mighty fractal]

Huge hurtbox, slow movement, poor dodge stats on most weapons, stamina recovery

He’s still amazing

And his mobility isn’t abysmal

And he can sustain by himself for a long time

But zealot has better tools for zipping around the battlefield, diving targets, killing them, getting back out

Ogryn has to commit more to do the same thing

[untold niche]

don't need to dodge beyond snoiper shots
don't even need to shove due to the insane stagger so stam recovery non important
Movement is a non issue most of the time, that can be mitigated heavily by the charge ult.

[untold niche]

commit???
Bro the only thing i commited on oggie was taking out my rumbler

[mighty fractal]

Zealot simply had better frontline sustain talents that let it keep itself alive without always having to hit things

Second Wind is underrated and really good since it price on both melee and ranged attacks

TWBS helps zealot dive gunner nests without getting stunlocked

Holy Rev lets him make big plays every two minutes

Both classes excel at different flavors of frontline, and that’s good design

Chastise lets Zealot dive constantly and get out of trouble easily

You still want to dodge slide on ogryn

[untold niche]

i play oggie, genuinely brain off
i play zealot, so many things to think about / make decision.

Oggie i can just walk up to 2 minigun ogryn and feel irritated that a quater of my hp is gone.
When i see a mixed horde, i don't even have to do target prioritisation.

damn i should grind for a shield again

and then upload a l33t gamer ogryn video

[mighty fractal]

Zealot has higher apm in general

Oggy has fewer actions but does have to think more about getting disabled and chipped by attacks that hit their big fat hurtbox

Slower dodges, fewer dodges, less dodge invuln means that they need to be more aware of their positioning

[rigid sky]

Ok I'm glad I did another game before giving up for the day

Went to Voidstrike instead of staying on Trauma

that game was an absolute pleasure

[rigid sky]

imo the Until Death bit is the important part, Holy Revenant is slightly less important now

My knife pervert takes Until Death only, not Holy Revenant, due to point budget reasons

but not having Until Death is a real Feels Bad Man moment

[coral cave]

yo guys what blessings should I be looking out for on MK IV dueling sword?

[rigid sky]

Uncanny 100%

[mighty cipher]

Thank you Brunt

[rigid sky]

Second one is debatable

[mighty cipher]

And Hadron cucked it

Carapace AND unarmored

[coral cave]

what else would u recommend?

[rigid sky]

I am unsure actually. The guide recommends Shred but I kinda don't

For me a Duelling Sword isn't something you keep out and constantly use

[coral cave]

I was also thinking something for crit

[rigid sky]

I like the ones that trigger on dodge

[coral cave]

how about finesse damage

on dodge

[rigid sky]

But so long as you have Uncanny it will be fine either way

[coral cave]

alright so uncanny is a must

[rigid sky]

Yeah if I could I would use that myself

[coral cave]

rn I got riposte and precognition

[rigid sky]

The main job it has is to reliably one-shot mutants

[coral cave]

which one should be replaced?

[rigid sky]

I will let somebody else answer this

[coral cave]

I assume riposte

since I already wanna be aiming for heads

with heavies

[vestal fulcrum]

Reeh

Tough call

But I probably would pick Riposte if you prefer a longer but less consistent a buff

And Precog if a shorter but a more consistent a buff

[coral cave]

this is what I'm working with rn

[vestal fulcrum]

Oh. Riposte is quite low level

[coral cave]

modifiers are good enough I mostly just use it cuz perks are maxed out

[vestal fulcrum]

I would pick Precog then

[coral cave]

I have higher lvl riposte

[hollow current]

riposte to uncanny 4 or ur bad at melee

[coral cave]

is flak fine on it?

[rigid sky]

Damage on that thing is quite low

Do you one shot Mutants without a crit?

If you don't it's a bad DS4 imo

[hollow current]

flak is good. Lets you reach the threshhold to 1hit flak gunners and you should be able to 1hit flak shotgunners.

[rigid sky]

Although you would need Uncanny on it to test it

[hollow current]

you need warp charges or DD stacks to 1hit mutants

[coral cave]

well rn its a heavy in the head then a swipe usually

[rigid sky]

oof

[hollow current]

For me it takes 7 dd stacks or some number of uncanny strikes

then there's warp rider to take account too. lots of stuff.

[coral cave]

imma get uncanny on it instead of riposte for now

[rigid sky]

True, siblings tend to be more variable than the others

[mighty cipher]

TFW warp rider was 2% off oneshotting a dog and now Im getting """Kisses""""

[ebon pawn]

escus me watafak

[mighty cipher]

It counts the NUMBER of times you staggered something

[ebon pawn]

numbers?? i dont belive that, thats a conspiracy made by grendyl

[rigid sky]

Numbers have a liberal bias.

[sullen sphinx]

Only numbers blessed by the benevolence of the Omnissiah have the right to exist.

[ebon pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-warhammer-tech-priest-gif-14919800332216808310

[near wyvern]

It's the amount of staggers applied. You can stagger a single enemy multiple times. Smite Psykers tend to get like 23k staggers.

[silent coral]

What is the BIS build for trauma staff in terms of perks and blessings?

[lyric burrow]

blazing spirit/warp nexus with flak and crit chance

Rending Shockwave/warp flurry is also decent

[sullen sphinx]

flak+carpace with Rending/Flurry if you want bully elites

[hollow jolt]

I go rending shockwave

Fuck ragers

[sullen sphinx]

I like Flurry variant too, great fire rate without need to edge your peril

[rugged glacier]

i like edging my peril

until i edge too hard and explode

[hollow current]

wanna form a group where we goonmax and edge our peril?

[sullen sphinx]

I like to see my peril go to 0 after exploding the horde and fire nonstop

[hollow current]

I ran into a blaze trauma and gun psyker last night that were actually good.

[sullen sphinx]

But I am also pyromaniac, so I'm running Blaze+Flurry with flak+crit variant. Explosions are enough to melt the bulk of the horde by itself and with 22.5% crit chance stuff that's flying from the explosion will catch on fire with high enough probability

[hollow current]

If it wasn't for a daemonhost getting triggered and wiping everyone else they were gonna out damage me. 😳

[mighty cipher]

Is this not normal?

[hollow current]

Just don't let the zealots know.

[mighty cipher]

Do people just not know who to do the investigation mission?

I was having to turbo carry the final section because the rest of my team had the collective IQ of a watermelon and would refuse to get over to the side with all of the scanables. I literally had to get on mic and yell for them to get their asses over there.

[hollow jolt]

They don't

[hollow current]

Hab dreyko finale is tough with randoms.

[hollow jolt]

Its why when I quickplay its a Vet with VoC + Plasma + Psword

I need to be able to solo an auric maelstrom to work with randoms

Hab Dreyko + High Intensity + Shock Gauntlet is absolutely miserable

Its actually constant elites and specialists

[mighty cipher]

Its missions like these were I get to remind myself that Im actually pretty good at this game

[hollow jolt]

The fact I end a mission without 5 total deaths compared to the random psyker spamming assail is all I need to know 😎

[mighty cipher]

That guy was on smite

Revolver and smite

[hollow jolt]

Smite would have been useful

It was a recon + assail psyker

[mighty cipher]

Thats an.... intresting combo

[hollow jolt]

I've stopped taking images and blocking shitters

I've gotten numb to it all

He had a dueling sword at least

[rigid sky]

Not that different from the meta CIAG/assail

Except shit

[hollow jolt]

So he was useful when he didn't have ammo

[hollow current]

I really need to figure out how to deal with bulwarks.

[hollow jolt]

Assail

[rigid sky]

Why take a Duelling Sword on gunker

Because recon is shit at maniacs I guess

[hollow jolt]

Flick the assail over their heads

And mark thrm

[hollow jolt]

Idk, the guy died (not downed) 5 times

So it wasn't working out

[mighty cipher]

Wait for them to finish an attack. after that you get to stab

OR lay into their shield enough for a guardbreak

[hollow jolt]

Can't you just flick the shard over the shield for a headshot stagger?

Still works for me

[mighty cipher]

I run BR so I dont know assail tech

[hollow jolt]

Ah

[mighty cipher]

Yeah, I did this shit with BR and a purg staff

[hollow jolt]

Assail trivializes bulwarks but bulwark patrols are still pain

[mighty cipher]

Call them bitches Phalanxes

[hollow jolt]

Crusher is still pain

[hollow current]

i tried doing the shard flick about a minute in.

I keep forgetting the duelling sword special also opens them pretty good too.

[hollow jolt]

Didn't mark them

Shard prefers and tracks harder vs marked targets

[mighty cipher]

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

[hollow jolt]

?

[mighty cipher]

SO ASSAIL GETS EXRRA TRACK BUT BR DOESNT?

[rigid sky]

BR also prefers marked targets

[hollow jolt]

^

Its just fucky

[mighty cipher]

Doesnt feel like it

[hollow jolt]

Yeah...

[rigid sky]

I feel much more in control over BR than Assail

[hollow jolt]

Its a problem for Focus Target Keystone for Vets as well

[rigid sky]

They're both really good (although part of the power of BR vs Assail comes from having access to Psychinetic Aura)

[hollow jolt]

I use only assail so I've just accepted the jank

God if assail could psykinetic aura...

[rigid sky]

It's a really good balancing "trick" tbh

Assail is kinda OP except it locks you out of another OP thing

Not even on the same row

[hollow jolt]

Indeed

[rigid sky]

Feels better designed than that karking mess that is the Veteran tree

What an abomination that is

[hollow jolt]

Especially because psykinetic is based off your elite kills

And assail dumpsters them quickly

Would probably an op combo 😔

[hollow jolt]

I'm just happy its not the talent stick anymore

puts all the defense talents at the end

[rigid sky]

I don't enjoy figuring out which hyperspecific damage boosts I need to make a particular gun work

[hollow jolt]

Idk why more Vets don't use Focus Target because of that

[rigid sky]

I just want to point and shoot at stuff lol

[hollow jolt]

Don't hit breakpoint? 16% damage keystone

[rigid sky]

It's the boring choice even if it is the best

[hollow jolt]

Such is life

[rigid sky]

I take it on my plasma build

But my heart belongs to MF Deadshot CIAG

Piss away all my stamina in a second

[hollow jolt]

I take it on all my builds lol

[rigid sky]

But do almost Gunker level damage

[hollow jolt]

12% team damage? Yeah ez take

[rigid sky]

All the time

[stone canyon]

Its good though when comboed with that talent that gives you stamina when evading, so just dodge slide backwards from baddies or sideways to dodge their fire and deal that juicy crit dmg

[mighty cipher]

Is it normal to be able to mark enemies through doors?

[fair spruce]

https://youtu.be/5oNpb0dLNhE?si=K4bZ0L1IKN7Q70H0

[final bay]

aye fellow zealots

wich perks would you put on a flamer ?

[fair spruce]

flak, unarmored, overpressure, and speedload

not blaze away as it encourages you to waste ammo

[rigid sky]

Warp Nexus, warp flurry

[fair spruce]

I did a series of videos on why everyone everywhere except me is using the flamer wrong

[rigid sky]

For the sexier flamer

[rigid sky]

Isn't overpressure broken ATM?

(Broken as in nonfunctional, not as in OP)

[lyric burrow]

yes

it does nothing

last i knew

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190943063728717864/1207357567530049607/j4h46f029i1a1.png
why wont the emperor give me a good d mk4 or a good demios 😢

[lyric burrow]

deimos was really annoying for me too

[upper sun]

i have a bunch of good illisi but zero deimos

[rigid sky]

I'm presently struggling with Illisi

[upper sun]

im willing to trade you one

[rigid sky]

My Deimos is perfect for a deflect sword

[lyric burrow]

illisi was also really annoying for me lol

i spent over 1 mil dockets on each

[rigid sky]

But my illisi is slaughterer/bloodthirsty

[upper sun]

you're gonna hate me

[rigid sky]

And I think flak/infested

[lyric burrow]

idk what its gotten up to now

[upper sun]

i got 5 from the basic store

[rigid sky]

So bad and yet still so OP it barely matters

[lyric burrow]

but i havent had to roll one in a while

[upper sun]

2 are usable and 1 is meta

[rigid sky]

Illisi is great with stats + Slaughterer alone

[lyric burrow]

i like uncanny slaught

[upper sun]

ye im trying to get slaughterer 4

[lyric burrow]

now

[rigid sky]

(And tbf bloodthirsty isn't totally shit)

(Could be better but could be worse)

[upper sun]

slaught/deflecter for me

but i dont have one with both i guess executioner is like a discount uncanny

[fair spruce]

I hear both ways and frankly am too tired of hearing about it to say one way or the other

I run showstopper for the giggles

cuz the flamer's plenty strong enough

oh

I forgot about inspiring barrage

that one's a bigly yuge help with the flamer cuz of the braced fire movement penalty

you can actually take hits while problemsolving with prometheum

for those not aware

[rigid sky]

Anti-horde close range weapon with a big draw time, makes sense

[fair spruce]

inspiring barrage is the 4% toughness per mag % spent

but

[rigid sky]

Helps vs chips

[fair spruce]

the second stack, doubles

third, triples

so it's 4, 8, 12, 16, 20% toughness regen

and at the fifth stack, it stays at 20% for every tick after

so your back half of the fuel tank is giving you a fifth of your bar back every three I think seconds

four

when you get into a situation you're actually losing that much and the flamers giving it all back to you

https://tenor.com/view/why-boner-gif-18485466

it's pure^

also

all of yall are sleeping on your left click primary fire puff

it may not seem like it does much

but each puff staggers and suppresses for the range in the stat

and the puff, stays alive, until the entire cone hits terrain or max distance

so if you fire it half above, half below covering terrain

it will go over anmd through the cover, and stagger/suppres what's behind it

[hollow jolt]

Funny, I find a lot of purg psykers ignore or misuse their rmb

[fair spruce]

so you can use this, for example, to puff puff puff as you advance through hallways

and shut up any and all ranged fire and stunlock the melee

instaed of having to turtle and fight with LOS

[hollow jolt]

A lot of purg in damnation seems to think "its burning, time to move on" instead of build up stacks

[fair spruce]

that's a muscle memory thing imo

getting comfortable with the flamer and how long you hold the cone over something for it to be dead and just not know it yet

[hollow jolt]

:c

[fair spruce]

I don't even count it really

[hollow jolt]

Indeed still sad to see

[fair spruce]

I just vary the speed I wash the cone over enemies

oh for sure

dumping the whole tank on a crusher pack

and having zero dodge cuz the gun's still out when they close

there's another place everyone could grow also if I might suggest

go into the crusher, spawn one maybe two standard infantry

brace the flamer but don't shoot

and see how long you can dodge those two standard fighters before you get hit

whoa champ that's a big number proud of you son

now do three

I say that cuz the flamer is really one of the absolute poorest choices to have in your hands when you get really caught up by melee enmies

if you can get to where you're aiming downrange with two or three smols actively trying to put their fingers in your kidney

and dodging them while shooting past them

son I'll buy you that pocket knife you've wanted

[hollow jolt]

I find the purg does really well vs melee hordes

The stagger from lmb and a quick rmb charge handles most hordes

[fair spruce]

for sure, I really fell outta fashion with that one but after careers

looks like it's got some oomph for sure

[hollow jolt]

Ragers get the funny force push from a deimos

[hollow jolt]

There's a meme purg + scier gaze build that decimates hordes

[fair spruce]

I still have nights where I can't resist the urge to go bubble/smite deflector/peril bullet blocking mage tank

[hollow jolt]

Lol same

[fair spruce]

step out in front, tell the bullets StopThat

[hollow jolt]

Deimos + deflector + purg dodging into gunners

[fair spruce]

tell the melee enemies NoStayNoStayNoStay

[hollow jolt]

"Dodge on crit" + flamethrower crit build

[fair spruce]

now there's an idea

[hollow jolt]

Surely nothing can go wrong

[fair spruce]

flawless logic

with just one requirement

don't let em hit you

just one thing idiot how hard can it be

[hollow jolt]

To be fair, most purg builds are crit flame builds

[fair spruce]

jokes aside I really am turning into a smite simp

there are so many tiny little nuances to how it works that in a pinch you can really pull some bullshit with

[hollow jolt]

Smite is bad imo just because my fps turns sad

[fair spruce]

like, you can't explode using smite

when you hit 100% you bounce off with an auto quell about 10%'

[hollow jolt]

I use assail to kill ranged enemies

[fair spruce]

so single target smite can sucker punch up to I think ragers and lolstun them

but you lose the force push

[hollow jolt]

And use mind in motion to move around quickly

[hollow jolt]

Still have the deimos

[fair spruce]

oh I meant

iif you hit 100% with the smite and bounce off

you won't push them at the end of the attack

you either get that auto quell, or you don't and you push em

[hollow jolt]

Ah that's not really a problem for purg imo

Just a quick lmb staggers everything not an elite

[fair spruce]

yip

and there's a logic to how it branches too

you can make left attack hit a room like the charge if you're lucky and you position

[hollow jolt]

No psykinetic aura hurts a lot though