psyker-class

[long wharf]

it has drawbacks already

give it a maximum range

[spice veldt]

it has drawbacks that i consider to be pretty outweighed by its strengths

and i really want it to have some form of skill ceiling

even if that comes in the form of intentionally hampering how you aim it

[long wharf]

well, nobody asked for your masochistic opinion

[spice veldt]

alas

[lyric burrow]

infinite cleave and insane stagger def outweighs any drawbacks it has rn

and thats not counting blazing

[long wharf]

I'd rather see a range limit with proper aiming

[sullen sphinx]

But any elevation and range is increased. It's fun to play as an artillery sometimes

[long wharf]

except you're not given a proper aiming mechanic

if it was supposed to be artillery, we'd see a trajectory

I'd be fine with it becoming artillery, honestly

I hate the current aiming system

[untold niche]

yessir skill expression

thats why i like arco takes

[long wharf]

nobody is arguing for mechanics that just win with a click

but that's a poor excuse for unintuitive mechanics

[untold niche]

i think in that regard, having a non invis projectile for trauma would be good

[long wharf]

sure, turn trauma into an artillery staff

I'm absolutely fine with that

just make the aiming make sense

[untold niche]

remove the aoe circled visual if there is a visible projectile

[long wharf]

yep

[spice veldt]

if you can aim a rumbler, you can aim the trauma staff

[untold niche]

me me godly on rumbler

[long wharf]

I aim using the trajectory path though

[untold niche]

at least when i played oggie

[spice veldt]

you still get an idea of where the explosion is from the circle

[untold niche]

no need for scrub traj paths

[spice veldt]

and based on the distance and elevation, you can figure how the circle will move with your crosshair as you continue to use it

[untold niche]

yes yes

[spice veldt]

and you can aim projectile weapons in other games that don't show the arc

[hollow current]

just like Rip Torn said.

[long wharf]

if trauma were changed to a projectile, we wouldn't need a trajectory path either

[spice veldt]

though that would mess with its unique property that it doesn't land on enemies

[long wharf]

nah

[spice veldt]

make it phase through enemies?

[long wharf]

just make it only hit solid geometry

and bulwark shields

ooo, and carapace

[near wyvern]

Then I can't hit shit behind the ledge anymore 😦

[long wharf]

can't have everything

[spice veldt]

if it were changed to a projectile and without a trajectory, then it'd just be the same aiming system as what we currently have except with a delay

[long wharf]

that's right

[spice veldt]

so you'd just have the same aiming system at the end of the day except a delay and visual change

[long wharf]

but the visual of the projectile is important

[spice veldt]

so you only care about the visual of it?

[long wharf]

visuals are a big part of usability

[spice veldt]

if the aiming system doesn't matter at the end of the day, then i don't see why you argue against it so much

well, it has a giant circle that shows where it'll blow up

that is very visual to me

[long wharf]

because it's unintuitive the way it is now

[spice veldt]

i mean it's pretty intuitive
aim higher to shoot farther
the crosshair placement has a nonlinear relationship with how far you shoot, like how a grenade launcher would work

[long wharf]

no

just because you're used to it, doesn't make it intuitive

[spice veldt]

the player just has to connect the dots that it's just a grenade launcher with an instant projectile time and tada

[long wharf]

it is not obvious that where you aim is not where the blast is going to be

[spice veldt]

but there's a giant circle

displaying where the blast will end up

[long wharf]

so what?

[spice veldt]

that fact is very obvious

[long wharf]

"intuitive" has meaning

[spice veldt]

so the player can very easily see the discrepancy between where the circle is and where their crosshair is

and thus they can figure out that where you aim is not where the blast is going to be

the weapon has some initial learning curve but once you get past that hurdle it's not all that unintuitive as you make it out to be

[long wharf]

that's the unintuitive part

everything else in the game is either "effect is where I'm aiming" or shows a trajectory path

[spice veldt]

then people can use those weapons if they want something familiar

[long wharf]

projectiles have two behaviors - not affected by gravity and affected by gravity

[spice veldt]

why not make something unique with how many weapons this game already has

[long wharf]

because you're call for "uniqueness" makes the aiming unintuitive

[spice veldt]

and players can always learn

[sullen sphinx]

Yea, Trauma has a unique aim. But maybe it's part of its charm? It would be just another projectile weapon if you could've just lobbed a bomb with your mind

[spice veldt]

and i'm claiming that it's not as unintuitive as you say

I agree that it has an initial learning curve

[long wharf]

it absolutely is

[eager token]

trauma

trauma on stairs or a ledge

[elder gyro]

are there cosmetics for the psyker where he changes voice? just heard a darth vader sounding veteran and that was awesome

[spice veldt]

like, from my perspective, you just have very little faith in the player

[long wharf]

if it were a projectile, players would immediately go 'oh yeah, I gotta lead for that'

[spice veldt]

and if players don't want to deal with the trauma

they can just use a different weapon

[long wharf]

it's not about "faith in players"

[spice veldt]

yeah, but the circle is very obvious

[long wharf]

it's about good game design

[spice veldt]

and people can see how the circle moves in relation to how their crosshair moves

[long wharf]

User Experience is a big deal in software and game development

[spice veldt]

yes

but that visual component already exists

in the form of the circle

[long wharf]

and it's not immediately obvious how that circle behaves

it is, by definition, unintuitive

[spice veldt]

yes the weapon has some initial learning curve and the player will have to get used to it

[long wharf]

just because you can overcome that doesn't change that fact

[spice veldt]

alright but then you need to establish that it being unintuitive is bad

[long wharf]

do I?

[spice veldt]

which you haven't and it's what i'm disagreeing with in the first place

[long wharf]

unintuitive is always bad

[spice veldt]

so melee weapons shouldn't ever have combos?

[long wharf]

there's a huge difference between something behaving differently from expectations and something being unintuitive

[spice veldt]

have something like the light chain for hordeclear only and heavy chain for single-target or whatever, just because that's intuitive?

and any form of combo mixing to achieve either would be unintuitive and thus should not ever be implemented?

[long wharf]

when something behaves differently from expected, but follows established guidelines or rules, then it's not unintuitive

when something behaves differently from previously established guidelines or rules, and there's no obvious reason for it, then it's unintuitive

[spice veldt]

and the trauma staff follows the established guideline of a projectile weapon like the grenade weapon, under your criteria

[long wharf]

why should I be treating an instant effect as a projectile?

[spice veldt]

not treating it as a projectile

[long wharf]

there's no travel time, it's not a projectile

[spice veldt]

but treating it with the same aiming system as a grenade launcher

[long wharf]

ergo the aiming is unintuitive

[spice veldt]

bro you can literally see how the circle moves with your crosshair

[long wharf]

it isn't relying on previously established and understood behaviors, and it lacks an obvious reason for it

[spice veldt]

yes and god forbid players learn or just google it

[sullen sphinx]

The problem is, how do you define that staff is unintuitive? So far it's established that the aim is unique

[spice veldt]

and it's on the magic class

[long wharf]

how are you not understanding that seeing the circle move contrary to established behaviors elsewhere is what makes it unintuitive?

[spice veldt]

and people can then build new schemas

i'm saying that players can learn it

[long wharf]

and I'm not arguing that players can't learn it

I'm arguing that players shouldn't have to

the system isn't intuitive

[spice veldt]

alright fine let's compromise on an aiming arc

give it the same thing as a rumbler and there we go

[long wharf]

I mean, if there was a visible arc showing why the aiming circle ends up where it is, that'd mostly solve the problem, wouldn't it

[spice veldt]

yes

that's exactly it

[long wharf]

it's not just a "visual", it's a visual explanation for the behavior

this is all fundamental User Experience stuff

I deal with User Experience stuff professionally

[viscid heart]

How good is the surge force staff? I mostly run the fire boi staff. How does the force one do with crowds/elites?

[spice veldt]

i mean just the circle and the crosshair is like an 1 + 2 = ? question where the reader has to fill in the gaps, but I don't think there are many gaps to fill to figure out how it works

[long wharf]

no

[spice veldt]

but if you disagree so much, then sure let's throw in an aiming arc

[long wharf]

it's not 1+2

it's lacking the part that ties the desired mechanic to user expectations

[sullen sphinx]

It's great with melting armor, but can struggle with dense hordes

[viscid heart]

roger, thanks ^^

[long wharf]

surge doesn't melt armor

[viscid heart]

I see this one as one i can buy, dont know how good it is

[long wharf]

patch 13 normalized the ADMs for surge

[spice veldt]

if it were the only weapon in the game, then sure i'd agree that such an unintuitive and unexplained aiming system would be a spike in the learning curve
but there are also other weapons for players to content themselves with

[long wharf]

it's just decent single-target damage now

[spice veldt]

i'm saying that it being unintuitive is less of a concern because players have other options

[long wharf]

it's the only weapon in the game that behaves as a point-and-click but aims like a projectile

[spice veldt]

sure

players have other options that they can fall back onto if they decide that the trauma is too much

[long wharf]

it flies against user expectations and established visual cues elsewhere in the game

not the point

[sullen sphinx]

Not great perks and blessings

[spice veldt]

it's not like it's a core mechanic where it being unintuitive will hamper a player's experience with the game

[long wharf]

just because something can be learned or worked around doesn't change the flawed design

[viscid heart]

I wont grab it then

[long wharf]

we've already agreed that it can hamper the player's experience, to where they choose to avoid interacting with it

that alone is proof that it needs addressing

[spice veldt]

and they can come back to the weapon later

because the point is that they have other weapons to content themselves with in the meantime

or they can just avoid it if they don't like it, like you do

[long wharf]

man, all you've done is say different versions of "players can deal with it"

[spice veldt]

yes

[long wharf]

just admit I'm right already.

[spice veldt]

that's what i've been saying

i don't have as low of an expectation in players

[long wharf]

it's not about expectations

[spice veldt]

and i've already said that we can just throw in an aiming arc

[long wharf]

I will forever call out bad design decisions and champion trying to fix them

[spice veldt]

and as far as I've read, you agree with that

[long wharf]

I'm a software engineer, it's what I do

sure, a trajectory path showing why the circle ends up where it does would fix it

[upper sun]

its not great you want warp nexus flurry flak and elites i have only managed to get 3 out of those at the most

we should call out bad design in anything and everything not just games

the god damn ticket machines that has 64mb of ram and need to load for 30 seconds if you have the audacity of touching the back button is a big thing for me tbh

[mighty olive]

#MakeSurgeGoodAgain

[hearty oak]

Next step would be cracking the game's code and pointing arrows at mistakes and send them to the devs with "WTF??" somewhere in the screenshot

[mighty olive]

It's my least favorite staff now >_<

[upper sun]

nah dont do screenshots print it out and mail it to them with a mechanicus purity seal

[long wharf]

I already have a full-time job

[upper sun]

ESTIMED MAGAS OF OBISTIUS SHARK PRIME

[long wharf]

I get headaches tracing through Darktide's Lua

it's horrible

and I too wish for the return of the OG surge staff

#BringOriginalSurgeBack

#SurgeMeBabyOneMoreTime

[sullen sphinx]

"Sacred weapon customization is tech-heresy against perfect design of Omnissiah"

[long wharf]

which is outright nonsense

WH40K lore (games and books) are crammed filled with people customizing their gear

[upper sun]

"RNG is a symptom of chaos influence and shall not be tolerated in your forge world"

[hollow jolt]

I think you mean using Omnissiah blessed tools >.>

Customization violates the machine spirit UwU

[viscid heart]

FINALLY i got the warp battery penance

Do we have a solid knockback option? for the cliffhanger one

[rigid sky]

Venting Shriek

Or just push especially with force sword

[viscid heart]

Okay, that's what i had been trying. wasnt sure if we had a better option

[rigid sky]

I did it at the end of vigil station oblivium

Dodged to side of horde on bridge, F.

[viscid heart]

I just knocked a lot of enemies off, really surprised i didnt get it lol

[rigid sky]

Or maybe I did it through a window

You really need a lot of enemies

I fluked it

[viscid heart]

Yeah, 7 enemies it says but it def feels like ya need 40 lol

[robust iris]

Got mine with force sword pushing on one of the hab dreyko bridges. Would have been easier with shriek

[untold niche]

i did it on the green map where after activating the objectives there is a green slosh

the defence area

just lure them to a corner

then vs

that or the map with 2 levels and like 4 bridges

green part is the stairs
the part where it bends there is a window

personally i wish the map names were more memorable

[marble crater]

Smite and chasm station assassination mission are your friend for this. Towards the end after you walk up the stairs and need to drop down again, there is that one balcony looking thing where hordes jump down from sometimes. Just smite upwards into the enemies coming from there

[viscid heart]

Il ltry that out

If I can find the right spot. thanks ^^

[marble crater]

This spot #psyker-class message

You might get unlucky because there are no enemies coming, but if they do it's easy to get

[glossy ember]

have your tried using scrier's gaze with it

[grim inlet]

To the voidstrike staff users: is surge worth it? Right now I'm rocking nexus and flurry level 4

[eager token]

yeah it’s pretty good and can 1 shot crushers with the right setup on a crit, make sure you keep nexus over flurry

[grim inlet]

That sounds awesome. I just started using one yesterday. Was previously using trauma. Thought I would try it out and got a godroll 380 after like 20 buys from brunts

I'll try and get surge to replace flurry

Thanks

[rare arrow]

It also does great monstrosity damage

[little rapids]

Surge on void strike is godly

also which dev decided to name an important blessing after one of the weapons

I thought u meant surge staff at first lmao

Personally I run surge and flurry because I’m addicted to flurry.

Also get the true aim talent I think it’s called

[rare arrow]

You lose a lot of procs not having nexus

[grim inlet]

Is that the 5 weak spots guarantees crit?

[marble crater]

How about momentum and momentum on zealot

[little rapids]

I know :( but I still prefer it

[little rapids]

Yep

[rare arrow]

The main setups are flurry/nexus, nexus/surge, and flurry/transfer

[little rapids]

Like I’d rather have less crits and more balls

Then fewer balls and more crits

Speaking of blessings

If you guys had a flurry trauma staff

[rare arrow]

With nexus you’ll net more orbs than with flurry in a surge build

[little rapids]

Would you add rending or blazing

As the second blessing

[rare arrow]

I use blaze trauma

[little rapids]

true but directed to the same place. With flurry I can more quickly take down trash

[rare arrow]

Though rending is fine too if you don’t have a good roll

[little rapids]

I have it with blazing and nexus but I miss flurry(addicted) so I was wondering how useful blazing would be without nexus

I also have no idea how useful rending is

Lol

[rare arrow]

Same as surge, less crits means less surge procs. On trauma less crits means less blazing procs

If you’re going to force the flurry roll then use rending

[little rapids]

aight

[rare arrow]

20% less crit on trauma is pretty significant given that it doesn’t have crit on it

[little rapids]

Wdym doesn’t have crit on it

I’m still a bit noob

[rare arrow]

Surge staff has innate crit

[marble crater]

Flurry with Shockwave, Nexus with Blazing

[little rapids]

Trauma has 0% crit by default?!

That’s evil

Cute puppy Lucian

[rare arrow]

Thanks, she’s always with me lol

She goes to work with me and sits under my desk

[little rapids]

Awww

My cat is like that she loves being nearby

[rare arrow]

Keep in mind to use whatever feels best for you.

[little rapids]

of course

that’s the goal of the game isn’t it

[rare arrow]

My work allows dogs so she’s been coming to work with me since she was a puppy

Well she’s only two but since I got her

Back to work for us

[grim inlet]

Take my dogs with me everywhere too. Thank goodness I work from home or else I would get depressed without them with me lol

[mighty fractal]

Don't worry, the match before I got it, I had a Dreyko mission where I was one second off

[tulip kettle]

catching up for the day, everyone saying brutal momentum bad on taxe? wut?

being able to kill 4 enemies per swing instead of 1 = bad?

[mighty olive]

Lule 👎 nowai

[tulip kettle]

crusher void 1 shot, requires high peril and crit on surge

[glossy ember]

smh

[upper sun]

high peril charges and crits

vet be like "i looked at it and held my breath"

[tulip kettle]

u dont need warp charges, u can use DD or just perfect timing, and can guarantee the crit with true aim

its a lot more achievable than you would think

like yes i have 6 warp here, but if i had DD stacks or 5 stacks of perfect timing it would also work at 80+ peril

similar to the DS4 1 shot on mutants, technically you need a damage steroid to reach it but you will usually have one

[little rapids]

can you convince me that surge staff is good when voidstrike can do this

every time I try it it feels so underwhelming

[tulip kettle]

i dont think surge staff is good.

some really like it, but i cant get along with it

i was referring to the surge blessing above. I think surge staff is good for being easy to aim in high stress situations (you dont need to aim), but i think it generates too much peril for the amount of damage charged shots do, it has range issues, i cant convince you no haha

[mighty olive]

Surge is fun and fine in lower difficulty, but in auric damnation, it's suboptimal

I hope they change it, and once they make it good they don't touch it again

[tulip kettle]

just make it deal half damage to the second target

instead of tickling them

maybe lower the base peril cost of charged attacks

[mighty olive]

Well, do you really want a staff that's only going to do you good for the first and 2nd target? I don't

I want lightning, I want mass death!

https://tenor.com/view/upshock-upshockgg-gif-18209105

[tulip kettle]

at the moment it just hits the first one

though i tend to agree

make it lean into the identity

make the charged attack even stronger, increase the targets, decrease the dmg by 20% per target

[mighty olive]

Bring old surge back!

[tulip kettle]

i dont remember it

i never really played psyker before they changed it

[mighty olive]

https://youtu.be/xJEt6a-qgcc?si=0V3sL7NgjT0AAght

Short video demonstrates it, it was more of an aoe

[prime elk]

It’s honestly not that bad

Prob not going to be meta but it’s totally fine

[tulip kettle]

yeah that looks more like what i want, but its dmg is too low to be good there

[mighty olive]

Compared to other builds, it's not good

[tulip kettle]

oh shit wait its the same dmg

[prime elk]

It’s not amazing but it’s fine

[tulip kettle]

i mean, im in love with my blaze trauma

[mighty olive]

I just wouldn't bring it to auric, otherwise you're kinds screwing your team imo

[prime elk]

Not really

It has its niche

[mighty olive]

I liked how it used to fork out and aoe things

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats what it still needs to do

[magic hull]

its day and night when you get to CC crushers and get breathing space in auric mael

[tulip kettle]

and then decrease the dmg per each target hit

[prime elk]

It’s a very capable anti specialist stick

[willow hazel]

I think it's the best staff for PUGs

[tulip kettle]

lol hard disagree with that

[mighty olive]

Hard pass lol

[tulip kettle]

trauma is objectively the best staff

[mighty olive]

I love my void, can't replace it >_<

[tulip kettle]

for the ability to be permanently safe and no other reason

[willow hazel]

Surge shits on ranged enemies and specialists, which usually kill PUG runs

[prime elk]

It’s perfectly capable on auric damnation, even if it’s not the best

[tulip kettle]

its also great for other reasons but trauma just lets you carry any game

[prime elk]

Yeah it’s quite valuable in that sense

[mighty olive]

I just feel it's lacking, and I wouldn't bring it to auric, just me xD

[tulip kettle]

so does every staff that isnt purgatus

[willow hazel]

not as well as surge though

[tulip kettle]

disagree, as shown above

[magic hull]

Yeah, surge is slightly better and i main purge

[prime elk]

Not exactly true given that surge allows for way faster reaction time

[tulip kettle]

voidstrike 1 shots any non monstrosity

[willow hazel]

*on crit

*with headshot

[tulip kettle]

which you can guarantee

it also kills 15 trash mobs at a time

[prime elk]

Realistically surge is going to be safer for dealing with specialists

[willow hazel]

*and if the reaper doesn't get staggered by your teammate and tuck his head

[tulip kettle]

bro with trauma you knock him down

[mighty olive]

Void crit allows you to go bowling, not only is it fantastic with armor, but it deleted hordes too

[tulip kettle]

and all of the staves allow you to supress anything

they have insane supression on lmb

[mighty olive]

I unnos just my opinion on surge, it needs some love

[prime elk]

I wouldn’t mind it getting buffed yeah

[dim parrot]

cant disagree with that

it does need some love
but its still usable

[willow hazel]

It is closer to needing a nerf than a buff

[magic hull]

well surges nice for sure, been serving me well at least

[tulip kettle]

hard disagree

[prime elk]

Definitely not lol

[willow hazel]

I just hope they don't remove the animation canceling because that makes it fun

[mighty olive]

Nah if they nerf surge anymore, they might as well remove it from the game

[prime elk]

It’s ok but nowhere near needing a nerf

[tulip kettle]

this is the one ive been using, and i get consistently lower dmg than both my traumas and voids

[willow hazel]

thats a skill issue

[magic hull]

its good where its at

[upper sun]

yeah no matter how good you are with the staff its still only two targets

[dim parrot]

its usable where its at

[magic hull]

bring assail + surge, best combo.

[upper sun]

its still a fun staff and easy to build since t4 is only three blessings

[prime elk]

Its usable, nothing amazing

[upper sun]

its a lot easier to build a surge than other staves

[prime elk]

If I do that I’m just playing with assail all games

[magic hull]

basically yeah, i only use surge on crushers auto aim flying hounds and pox

[willow hazel]

Surge + Smite is probably the way to go just for access to Psykinetic's Aura

[tulip kettle]

surge and smite sounds just awful

[willow hazel]

then vent every 8 seconds for horde clear

you don't use smite almost ever, it's just for access to Psy Aura

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[dim parrot]

oof definitely slice hounds for satisfaction points

[magic hull]

people forgot surge is useful on mael because of the auto aim feature which could save you from hounds and last second poxes

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats whjat i said above

its the only thing going for it over others

[magic hull]

• CC crushers for breathing space? day and night

[tulip kettle]

no need to aim in high stress

[tulip kettle]

trauma does this better and safer

[magic hull]

i still prefer auto aim

[tulip kettle]

well thats fine 🙂

[upper sun]

yeah surge is great until you get cornered with 7 crushers you kinda need your team to deal with them asap

[tulip kettle]

i can click my mouse on heads

[magic hull]

prob wont do a 360 flick on a flying hound thats for sure

[upper sun]

i tried surge in mael and its kinda rough

[willow hazel]

getting cornered by 8 crushers is a problem for most builds, but you can always just run Vent with surge

[magic hull]

at that point thats really on you tbh

[nimble burrow]

good thing you have two weapons and one is a toothpick that goes right through a crusher's brain

[dim parrot]

for that old surge would kinda be better ngl

[willow hazel]

it would take longer to kill than the new surge, so probably worse

[mighty olive]

I would like to see the left clicks on the staves to be changed so they're not all the same

Sienna's Coruscation Staff left click would be awesome

[plucky flax]

Really surge works great for me on mael.

[upper sun]

well either way maybe auric maelstrom is just out of my skill level or i just got bad teammates the 2 times i tried it

[silent coral]

For those playing gun psyker do y'all use assail or smite?

[dawn spoke]

assail
a gunker with no assail is probably going to struggle with ammo economy unless you can guarantee you'll have a survivalist vet on your team

[radiant frigate]

ammo economy? just melee

[prime elk]

Melee? I play psyker so I don’t have to touch filthy heretics

[willow hazel]

I see a lot of psykers end games with <10k melee damage

[dim parrot]

I will never understand psykers that dont melee

[willow hazel]

yeah, psyker melee is great

at the very least equip a dueling sword to stab some mutants

[dim parrot]

could never betray illisi my beloved

[feral verge]

not meleeing as psyker is a common mistake i see noobs make

purga staff is the worst offender

[hollow current]

It was the biggest problem when the game came out. They just never fucking melee'd.'

[feral verge]

i will see noobs setting solitary enemies on fire, or mutants or crushers on fire

[willow hazel]

smite only psykers don't like melee either

[lyric burrow]

tbf psyker melee did used to be on the weak side like a year ago

so i could kinda get it back then

but now i dont get it

we even have uncanny on everything

[dim parrot]

what happend to your name? stan?

[lyric burrow]

arco actually

[dim parrot]

lmao

arco the silly goose

[lyric burrow]

he is one silly goose

[willow hazel]

since they released the Illisi/Demios, psyker melee has been really well off

[hollow current]

I really liked Deimos when slaughterer was over tuned.

[lyric burrow]

yeah its been a long time since we had bad melee

[hollow current]

I mean, I'd still like it if the mk IV wasn't a thing

[dim parrot]

give us new non warp bases melee that has similar attack patter to illisi

thank u

[willow hazel]

are you talking about the heavy sword?

[feral verge]

psyker needs more staves, more than anything

more than any other class needs new weps

[dim parrot]

also new staves
thank u

[feral verge]

i hope new staves are the priority

[dim parrot]

heavy sword?

[feral verge]

and im probably askijng for too much, but a staff rework too

[willow hazel]

it is basically just the illisi without the charge attack

[feral verge]

make staff melee special do something useful, or better yet unique per staff

make every staff have a unique lmb

[willow hazel]

swap staff melee and hellbore melee for april fools

[radiant frigate]

Yes

i generally do not understand people who don't melee

[dim parrot]

I play darktide for the melee

mostly

[radiant frigate]

average illisi enjoyer

[tulip kettle]

warp magic isnt real anyway

there is only the machine

the purity of steel

[frail harness]

Where else would you even go to play a game where you only shoot enemies with guns though? Do they even make games like that? /s

[harsh urchin]

smite gaming

[radiant frigate]

shooting guns is easily my least favorite part

i do it out of necessity

[frail harness]

There was a dude in Veteran chat a while ago who was like 'I want a gun that's good at hoarde clear and good at killing elites'

[mighty fractal]

Fatshark has definitely cornered the market on melee combat in FPS games

[frail harness]

People replied: yeah just use Columnus IAG.
He's like, "I already use that! I'm bored" 😂

[mighty fractal]

It's the sound design, and the animations, and the weight and feel of the swings

and a bunch of other less-tangible things I can't think of at the moment

[mighty fractal]

Plasma gun 🙂

[frail harness]

I use Crusher because I want to see the funny ragdolls

[mighty cipher]

Anything tied directly to your peril is considered a warp attack

No

np

[mighty cipher]

You ever swing a charged Ironhelm into a crowd only for it to cleave cap and get lodged in it?

Yes

Dont feel sorry about asking things

Yes

Also, the Force sword charge attacks count, as well as any form of soulblaze!

[mighty fractal]

Honestly it's kind of satisfying

It makes the weapon feel weighty

The hammers in this game don't feel as heavy and chunky as they do in Vermintide, though

which is just one reason why I hope Ogryn eventually gets a 2h hammer or maul

We need something really big and heavy

[mighty cipher]

Thats crazy, given that these hammers feel like trains whenever you charge them

[mighty fractal]

Cyberpunk 77 does a pretty good job with the blunt weapon tree

[rugged glacier]

They feel a bit, like, small, when uncharged

But charged they feel like I have a nuke about to go off in my hand

[mighty fractal]

Oh yeah the charged hammer attacks feel wonderful

It's the uncharged lights and heavies that feel... well, lighter in this game than in VT

[torpid girder]

I want ogryn to get a 2 handed hammer and i want the special attack to just be a crusher overhead that does insane damage

[mighty cipher]

Just give ogryn the crusher mace

[torpid girder]

i also want ogryn to get a blitz where he throws a tungsten rod into tertium's atmosphere and it lands on an enemy upon re-entry

[mighty cipher]

Let me pancake a fucken Chaos spawn

[mighty fractal]

^^^

The disappointment when everyone saw the Crusher teaser and it was revealed that it was a Zealot weapon

was immense

[mighty fractal]

saaaaaame

Maybe even give it a special attack like Sienna's scythe in VT2

where you slam the ground and stagger/knock down enemies in front of you

[radiant frigate]

personally i do not want ogryn

but maybe that's just me

[rugged glacier]

And then it was awful for months

So glad it's good now though

Well, awful isn't the right word

[tulip kettle]

also, is it really good now?

[rugged glacier]

Absolutely

[tulip kettle]

sure, it staggers stuff, when you put stagger blessings on it

[rugged glacier]

Well considering it only has stagger blessings

That's not a 'when'

That's just it's base lol

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats my point

its a pure stagger weapon with low damage and a forced activatio

[rugged glacier]

Idk about pure stagger, it's good very good dmg potential in my experience

[tulip kettle]

that was not my experience

but i am a crucis enjoyer

though i went back recently and made myself a pretty damn good ironhelm, and i gotta admit

its pretty much just better, because it actually kills stuff

why dont thunderhammers have bromentum

[mighty fractal]

It was pretty close to awful at the start

It got a huge glow-up in U13 though

I use Ironhlem more these days, but Crusher is very safe and easy to use, and it has good breakpoints on anything that isn't Carapace or a boss

[mighty cipher]

Ironhelm superiority

[mighty fractal]

😤

[mighty cipher]

Anways, this is sounding too much like the zealot chat.

Whats your opinion on Block Efficency?

[mighty fractal]

It gets a lot of value if you run Kinetic Deflection, since it'll reduce the peril cost of blocking

[radiant frigate]

i think block efficiency is not really needed overall

kinetic deflection does most of the heavy lifting

[tulip kettle]

yup its not great

better to run stamina

any place you can run block efficiency, run stamina instead, if using KD

[dim wren]

what's the scaling like on voidstrike charge shots? is it worth charging to 3/4 instead 1/2, or is a partially charged shot always the same damage until you reach full charge?

[long wharf]

for a second, I thought FartShack finally released some chaos psyker gear

[upper sun]

Illisi is peak weaponry

[tulip kettle]

i dont know exactly cos im pretty much always fully charging, but it definitely pens more enemies the longer you charge it

[long wharf]

I wish more head cosmetics had the glowing eyes

[dim parrot]

I wish more head cosmetics would change your voice and at the same time not make u look goofy

[primal plume]

I just want full proper robes

almost all art of a psyker has them wearing robes

or at least give us something sorta like sienna has

half robes or whatever

[torpid girder]

when it comes to applied effects and DOTs, how does the game work them out?

Like say 2 players have soulblaze and bleed, do they both apply the same stacks or do they both apply their own separate stacks? and if they stack up the same stacks and the enemy dies to soulblaze or bleed which player gets the kill, the one who applied the first stack, the one who applied the most, or the one who applied stacks last?

[spice veldt]

both players contribute to the same stack
There is a singular "owner" of the stack, and that owner is the first person to apply that stack onto the enemy
Buffs of that owner and no one else will apply to that stack
Only the owner will get kill credit

[torpid girder]

okay awesome tyyy

[spice veldt]

360-noscope a horde with venting shriek so that the purg psyker on your team gets no credit

[long wharf]

I like to cut down a burning horde so the purge psyker doesn't get the kills and damage

[sage plaza]

Ok question: should I keep Warp Nexus on this? Or throw on Warp Flurry?

[little rapids]

you already have it modified, try both see what u enjoy

if u can spare the plasteel

[sage plaza]

I can, but would rather not, y'know?

But yeah you're right, I should experiment.

[little rapids]

meta is ur current blessings but i really like warp flurry

i havent tried it with nexus though

[long wharf]

ouch, you kept crit damage perk

[sage plaza]

Sometimes you gotta settle.

Besides, +8% on a charge shot double-tap is more than a regular double-tap.

[long wharf]

you're going to want to replace that

no, it's not

it's not even +8%

crit damage perk doesn't work that way

it multiplies the damage difference between a normal and a crit hit

not the damage of the crit hit total

[sage plaza]

Neat.

[little rapids]

this needs to be pinned

[long wharf]

yeah, it's ass

[sage plaza]

Can't change it, though.

[little rapids]

its ok

my voidstrike has +20% unarmored

🙂

[long wharf]

oof

[little rapids]

wish it was flak or somethn

[long wharf]

you want flak

[little rapids]

yeah getting 2/4 from hadron is like impossible though

[long wharf]

not impossible, just expensive

Hadron and Brunt as in cahoots

[little rapids]

my only perfect staff is purgatus, and surge i guess but i dont use it

[long wharf]

a real racket going on

[mighty olive]

Can I has Pfhoenix on my weapon? Weapon go floof!

...floof is the sound I made irl trying to imitate fire sound, didn't work well

Crackle crackle, floof!

https://tenor.com/view/pirómano-meme-jeje-odio-bomberos-gif-15722930

[long wharf]

yikes 🙂

I've never in my life heard a fire make a "floof" sound

"fwoosh"

[mighty olive]

What's the sound it makes when yo...oh fwoosh

That works

[long wharf]

even "prrrshwipe" in movies

[sage plaza]

Acvtivating a bubbleshield makes kind of a "floof" sound.

[mighty olive]

XD

Ohhh imagine we had a fire shield o_o that'd be amazing

Heretics catching fire as they run through

[little rapids]

tested in game

confirmed

[sage plaza]

Ok just did some testing, I'm not getting that many more shots out of my Voidstrike with Warp Flurry. GOnna switch back to Nexus for extra double-taps.

[long wharf]

you'd light yourself on fire and then use the knife to as quickly as possible run into every enemy in the mission

[sage plaza]

Gonna chalk that up to the low Warp Resistance roll on mine.

[mighty olive]

Oh I so would do that, sienna ult when!

[little rapids]

RIP sorry it didnt work out for you

[long wharf]

you can make flurry+surge work against crowds

as long as you also have True Aim from the talent tree

[little rapids]

yep true aim is really nice for surge(blessing)

[sage plaza]

I'll look into that, ty

Another question: what are the "unarmoured" enemies in the game?

[little rapids]

i wonder if i should run +30 tougness or +10hp/warp rider on my warp flurry/surge voidstrike

[little rapids]

the psykhanium or google it to see a list of all enemies and their armor types

the common enemies that look like zombies are usually unarmored

flak if they have some shitty armor

[long wharf]

you should basically always be using Warp Rider

[sage plaza]

Yep, I know.

[long wharf]

it's free +20% damage for just doing psyker stuff

[little rapids]

idk im worried that constantly quelling only a bit to stay at high peril will lower my dps, compared to quelling to zero

or is it still worth it quelling to zero

[long wharf]

you don't have to edge peril in order to get utility out of Warp Rider

[little rapids]

is edge peril the official psyker term for it

[long wharf]

you're going to be driving your peril up regardless

[little rapids]

fair

[long wharf]

we call it "peril edging" here

[little rapids]

is there known values for the actual scale

[long wharf]

because we're perverts and degenerates

[little rapids]

of what peril corresponds to what %dmg

[long wharf]

not that I know of, but it shouldn't matter

[little rapids]

aight

[long wharf]

higher peril = more damage

so if you're uncomfortable staying really close to popping, you can still get the benefit by quelling enough to feel safe to continue

that shouldn't ever be lower than 70%, really

the real edgers use a mod to know precisely what their peril is and ride it with reckless abandon

[little rapids]

i usually quell to zero unless im in a dangerous situation so i can stay attacking as often as possible without having to stop to quell. unless im overestimating how much time it really takes to stop and quell between attacks

[sage plaza]

Question: True Aim, with Transfer Peril and Surge on my Voidstrike.

[long wharf]

and if Warp Rider is a linear scale, then 70% peril is still getting you something like +16% damage

[sage plaza]

Crit generation with Peril reduction.

[long wharf]

TP doesn't care about crits

the second projectile from surge will still proc TP if it hits weakspots

[sage plaza]

Yes, exactly.

[long wharf]

the second projectile from surge doesn't crit

aside from that, it's just another void projectile

[upper sun]

surge should stack it would be so funny if someone crashes the servers by hitting the lim n>in f=x^n or something havent done calcin 3 years

[long wharf]

I'd argue that the surge projectile ought to be a crit

it's simple enough to limit the surge blessing to creating a second projectile only

the wording of the blessing description leads you to think that it's a double crit

[little rapids]

its not? D:

its 1 crit 1 regular?

[little rapids]

oh

that sux

but its still a great blessing anyways i suppose

[long wharf]

yep

it's still meta for damage

surge is also what allows void to stagger-lock bosses

[dim parrot]

.

arco explain yourself

[fallen yacht]

Realistically, they would cap it at a certain number of double procs. Statistically, we would have to consider how unlikely it would be, but also figure out how many double crit shots would have to occur in a row

[spice veldt]

this

I

[dim parrot]

[spice veldt]

I have no relationships with geese

that statement is out of context

[lyric burrow]

arco did threaten to kick me into a volcano once

wonder if this is related

[dim parrot]

what a goose would definitely do if they could

[spice veldt]

no

[upper sun]

i can abolutely fuck up a goose in a fight i dont care what canadians say

[misty light]

raw hubris

[austere crest]

what did i come into here

https://tenor.com/view/goose-gif-15180835

[upper sun]

no fangs shitty claws tiny mouth no bite strength

easy

[wind spruce]

It is a crit

I tested this a few weeks ago

I'll find my documentation in a tick, on mobile atm

https://outplayed.tv/media/j4W5jQ

Voidstrike testing:

The surge projectile does more damage than a normal headshot.
Each crit projectile procs mettle twice, meaning with surge you get four procs, ie, 20% toughness back
Each crit only gives you one perfect timing stack even with surge.
It's not shown here but the normal + surge projectile does not cleave through more enemies than a single projectile does. It seems to explode at the same point along a conga line of poxwalkers.

[long wharf]

interesting

it might be mettle being bugged

if the surge projectile was a crit, it'd proc perfect timing

unless perfect timing has some internal timer/cooldown

[wind spruce]

As shown in the video, a surge crit will proc mettle four times and perfect timing once

[spice veldt]

perfect timing is per attack rather than per hit so that fits

[wind spruce]

And the surge bolt does more than non-crit damage but very slightly less than a full crit (I couldn't figure out why)

[long wharf]

ah

strange that the surge projectile would count as a crit but not do crit damage

but good to know

[spice veldt]

the gamer strategy of attacking the air with your duelling sword to maintain perfect timing stacks

[wind spruce]

If you frame freeze the video it's close enough to crit damage that it basically is.

1465 and 1380

Vs 1183 non crit

Actually that's like 70%

[spice veldt]

maybe something wonky with the charge level of the 2nd shot, if it's anything like the plasmagun

[little rapids]

this seems likely

to me

[spice veldt]

if the 2nd shot is consistently some percentage of the full-charge shot, then that might be it

[wind spruce]

Better than any of my theories

[wind spruce]

IIRC it's always the same % but don't quote me on that

[feral verge]

quoted (on that)

"IIRC it's always the same % but don't quote me on that" - IroskTheOrc

[mighty fractal]

It’s just your Psyker attacking The Voices

it’s perfectly real

As far as your psyker is concerned, they’re actually hitting something

[spice veldt]

so true (my psyker is a seer)

[mighty fractal]

Does anyone have a video or mp4 of the high peril sound effect(s)?

I can’t find one on yt and can’t check SoundCloud

Not the high peril lines, but the screechy and wobbly noises with the daemon voices

[feral verge]

your psyker is the seer, yet you play like you are blind

[torpid girder]

arco's seer specializes in seeing nothing

[hollow current]

my psyker doing it to keep the slide rhythem going

then I mess it up and scootch two meters forward instead of 10

[lapis violet]

brunt's been cooking recently

[feral verge]

Low charge rate rip

[hollow current]

it goes from 1.6 to 1.9 tho

[feral verge]

That's a lot of time

Doesn't sound like it, but it is

Quell speed is the dump stat, never charge rate

[hollow current]

Worth handing it over to Hadron to see if she feels like making another brick. If it turns out good, the charge rate will hardly hurt it much.

[feral verge]

Even if it was godrolled, I would still make another

With higher charge rate

[little rapids]

60%...

[feral verge]

Most important stats, in order: damage, charge rate, warp resistance, blast radius, quelling speed

[little rapids]

is blast radius actually more important than quell speed

i never notice the blast radius

even with high stat

[feral verge]

I'd rather have it higher

IDC about low quell speed

Quelling is fast as hell

[little rapids]

can always be faster

[feral verge]

They buffed it awhile ago, we have a feat that makes it even faster

I'd value the slight damage

[little rapids]

i mean like, when i shoot the voidstrike at someones feet, it does like shove damage lol

it feels really insignificant idk when the radius is helpful

[hollow current]

60% is 1.72 sec and 80 is 1.66

[feral verge]

It doesn't look like a lot of time

But it is

[little rapids]

wtf actually

[feral verge]

It will be felt

[little rapids]

thats like 4% difference

for a 20% stat boost

lol

[hollow current]

Overall, a good staff. Use it until you get lucky on another.

[lapis violet]

it's so over

[hollow current]

Mankar must have sensed this.

[little rapids]

hadron is a bitch

[lapis violet]

what do i do with this staff btw?

i'm trying to get a double ball blessing to put onto this

but what about a perk. change unyielding to maniac?

or spec?

[hexed geyser]

What's the current state of voidstrike? i'll hop in with you lol. Nexus flurry or nexus surge that is recommended?

[lapis violet]

if doing the double ball blessing it's defo nexus

[hexed geyser]

Double ball is surge, nexus is kind of a given

Also it's probably flakiac unless there's some interresting carap bp to reach

[urban sandal]

unyielding to flak or maniac, sustained fire to surge

[untold niche]

Cara maniac!
You want cara for 1 shot

[urban sandal]

cara can work too if you want to go for that

[wind spruce]

You want flak over cara

The one shot is incredibly overrated

[hexed geyser]

And how rare is surge? I'm starting to be scared

[wind spruce]

The exact same rarity as every other t4 blessing

[hexed geyser]

And for t4 blessings, is it still better to get blue weapons or golds?

[wind spruce]

It's cheaper to do the blue upgrade

[urban sandal]

if you actually like having plasteel I'd suggest trying to get it from melk or mission rewards

I got surge from mission rewards

[harsh urchin]

Tbh I would grab 5% crit on VS

One of the few weapons I'd grab crit over any other perks

[torpid girder]

This game ruins my mood sometimes

pinballlll

[lapis violet]

i like getting plasteel so i can roll for blessings (i am addicted)

[urban sandal]

[hollow current]

bursters fuck me up more than anything it feels.

They're also the only thing I can't really hear when i play tho, so i guess that's on me

[urban sandal]

I wouldn't say it's on you when the reason you can't hear them is because they are literally inaudible

[orchid shadow]

I always hear this complaint, but is that bug related to anything particular? I've never encountered a silent poxburster yet, and can always hear them, except for the stupid surprise ones coming of the door next to me that give only a warning when the door opens.

[torpid girder]

Ik i should have hit the shove or just used shriek there to save myself but it's insane i got punished that much for 1 burster Lol

[torpid girder]

iirc it's from the sound queue from being overloaded from the amount of specials in higher difficulties, since for some reason the poxburster ticking noise is actually really low on the priority list it's one of the first sound effects to get removed when a bunch of enemies spawn

at least that's wut I was told

I think even in the clip i posted above they're mostly silent except for a single ticking noise until the hound spawning howl is over

despite there being like 4 bursters

[hollow current]

I heard there's a bug but I play with music that's generally louder than the game. That said I can hear most audio cues. Just not poxbursters or horde spawns.

[orchid shadow]

It's faint, but I can still hear them in that clip. But the music that's playing is kinda drowning them out.

[hollow current]

That's another fellow but I'll post mine where I just got merked out of a clutch

[torpid girder]

You can hear a single tick at the 1 and a half second mark but you can only really hear them when the howling noise is finished at around the 2 sec mark

but i haven't really noticed the bug too much myself either

[urban sandal]

when a lot of sounds start playing it drowns out the bursters proximity ticking

you can always hear them spawn and can almost always hear them when they’re diving at you but even that can get silenced

[torpid girder]

Here's what it should normally sound like when a poxwalker is around that close to you vs the clip that was shown above
With the same song at the same volume

[hollow current]

going back I can kinda hear the spawns but man I got a nasty surprise.

[torpid girder]

MUSIC SYNC

[wet belfry]

DISRUPT DESTINY L.

SHOULDNT HAVE CRITTED.

[hollow current]

Pretty sure face pokes kill them regardless. I've done a lot of times lol.

[torpid girder]

Remember to always place trauma circles under poxbursters ur teammates are about to shove to scare them >:)

[little rapids]

brain burst glow

[urban sandal]

you actually bb it but it doesn't one shot it

hate when that happens to dogs too

and dreg gunners

[hollow current]

BB doesn't 1 hit dreg gunners?

[urban sandal]

if you have low/no peril and no warp stacks yeah

[hollow current]

ooof. been so long I've forgotten. but maybe this was a patch 13 thing with the buffed health

[spice veldt]

yeah patch 13

iirc dreg gunners had 1.1k hp in patch 12 and before

BB did 1k damage but we had +10% elite damage so we always were guaranteed for a dreg gunner one-shot if I remember correctly

[hollow current]

this is neat

[leaden mulch]

what should i change

[left basin]

the weapon

[untold niche]

Psyker should get a warp cannon where its like void but zero cleave, insane aoe and stagger, deals headshot damage and takes 30 peril per full charge. More you charge smaller projectile gets

[left basin]

psyker should get removed

psyker gang

[wind spruce]

carapace to flak then play with it and see how you like it before making any other changes

[left basin]

4th psyker blitz kamehameha

siblings

what headgear has the gnarly voice modification

the gnarliest one

the one from the funny t-shaped helmet

[limber silo]

Do crits have increased cleave?

[limber silo]

I can't say I enjoy the voice modification on Seer voice

I sound like goofy Darth Vader

[left basin]

yes

the laugh when you shriekcoom is something else though

[leaden mulch]

what should i change

[hollow current]

that's rough bud. stow it until maybe they unfuck crafting

otherwise make stripped down into dumdum and one of the perks into unyielding or flak depending what you want to kill harder

[viscid heart]

Malleus Monstronum is so hard to do. zz

[limber silo]

You just need a friend ogryn

[viscid heart]

I no have friends
And I can't solo it, cause bots are too good lmao

Actually, do the weakened bosses count?

I've come across those in a few missions, and they're pretty low health

[hollow current]

you can probably find people playing the lfg channels and ask them when in the voice comms

[viscid heart]

OOOOF i jsut got a DH to 2100 health lefet, and died

close, close

Didnt have a shield ogryn, but the guy i was with was dodging like a pro

[austere crest]

i help w this penance all the time if u need someone to hold the Dh for u no biggie

[lyric burrow]

skudie i finally tried knife psyker and it actually went pretty well but i think uncanny assail ended up doing 90% of the work lol

[vernal blaze]

you know maybe i shouldnt have kept double melee bounties from melk this week

i need to consciously stop using trauma staff

[plucky flax]

Get range contract then use assail

Assail kills count. Staff won't for some reason

Fs hate psykers

[lyric burrow]

true

terrible class

nerfed voidstrike unusable

[wind spruce]

So bad pls buff

Just like blaze trauma

[austere crest]

XD it gives you the speed u need, but warp is still the stronkest

well

subjective, knife is obv strongest

[lyric burrow]

like i did fine i just checked my melee damage and i was like

oh

that didnt do much

[austere crest]

primary fire is the ranged attack usually

[lyric burrow]

although my melee damage with knife tends to be lower cause im just using it to run to w/e priority target

[austere crest]

tested against plague ogryn, knife was around 20s faster than all staves minus purge, im not buying one of those

the second fasted was primary fire with anim cancel and runngun

[lyric burrow]

yeah knife is oddly enough probably one of our faster boss killers

[austere crest]

i guess its just its multiplier

[torpid girder]

how does DS4 perform vs knife?

[austere crest]

ds4?

[lyric burrow]

duelling sword

4

[austere crest]

ohhh

[vestal fulcrum]

Better in most ways

[austere crest]

ill try it now

[lyric burrow]

are you testing greys or whats considered BIS

[lyric burrow]

yeah heres the scoreboard from that knife game

[austere crest]

just seeing what kind of damage i get with my weird build

[lyric burrow]

the melee to ranged damage is gross 😭

[austere crest]

mines worse

[lyric burrow]

ok i feel a little better now

it was fun though

[austere crest]

its always much lower if you arent maining sword for sure

[lyric burrow]

yeah with illisi it tends to be way higher melee than ranged

but since i usually run gunker my ranged is a bit higher since im bringing melee for specific stuff

deimos/ds4/knife

devils claw sometimes although thats a strange build im still figuring out

[lunar hollow]

i had the lowest melee damage pog

[lyric burrow]

well yeah you were deadshot bolter vet

killing all the specials lol

[lunar hollow]

i REFUSE to engage poxwalkers

i am above them

[lyric burrow]

im aware

i wish i had clipped your sprinting away from 2 poxwalkers

[lunar hollow]

after 2500 hours i now know u can out-walk groaners with a bolter out

that was a learning experience

[austere crest]

doing now with ds4, but i am going to use flayer, and BB blitz since i did on the rest

XD

[lunar hollow]

dude it was so more before you saw me

i swear to god

[lyric burrow]

i dont doubt that

my issue was you were screaming for me to help

and then i turned around

and it was 2 fucking poxwalkers

by the time you called for helkp

[lunar hollow]

don't u know veteran has 1.25s stamina regen delay

[lyric burrow]

it was 2 poxwalkers

shit my bad

[lunar hollow]

if i block one attack i am NEVER regenning stamina again

[lyric burrow]

you def couldnt have fought them with shovel

[austere crest]

damn ds4 is nasty

[lyric burrow]

ds4 is cracked yeah

are you running uncanny on it

[austere crest]

using this

[lunar hollow]

they should make the ds2 like an ogryn club and give the sweep like 2-3x unyielding multi

[austere crest]

trimming now

[lyric burrow]

yeah ds4 is probably our best boss melee

[lyric burrow]

yes

if they are going to keep it at 20% less heavy damage

[viscid heart]

i sure hope the 90% monster damage is given at the end. I jsut did it, but didnt get it instantly

[lyric burrow]

or w/e the number was

[lunar hollow]

idk what theyll do with dueling swords

the numbers on em are just weird

[lyric burrow]

4 needs a nerf

[austere crest]

49s

[lyric burrow]

well

[austere crest]

thats the fastest ive done yet

[lyric burrow]

uncanny needs a nerf

[lunar hollow]

i want the 4 to have like a staged heavy

[lyric burrow]

they could also make use of specials not being universal

if they want to differentiate

actually idk what the 5s is

i dont use it

[lunar hollow]

the last time i used the 5 was before i had the plasteel to make a 4

back in like march when i was just starting to play damnation i liked the 4 but ppl told me the 5 was better and i got sad

[lyric burrow]

i used it a little bit like pre patch 12

it was pretty mid

i had a friend who really liked it though

[lunar hollow]

😔

[lyric burrow]

back then it was considered the like horde cleary one

but

it was worse horde clear than illisi

and deimos tbh

i forget if it could even proc rampage

that was back when psyker melee was illisi or deimos and nothing else though so not shocked it didnt end up well

guess you could run caxe

[lunar hollow]

antax push attack meta

[lyric burrow]

those were the days

[lunar hollow]

many eons ago

[spice veldt]

i will play ds4 only to spite you

[austere crest]

illisi is going to be the best for horde clear

[lyric burrow]

idk if its the fastest now actually, i think for a while devils claw beat it

when it first got buffed

not sure now

[lunar hollow]

that is not why you play ds4

meta slave

[spice veldt]

too bad

[austere crest]

ouch

[lyric burrow]

arco be like "fuck trauma too op" and then plays it

[spice veldt]

fatshark gave to me

[lyric burrow]

and slams it on me when i was trying to aim

[lunar hollow]

how would a trauma explosion prevent u from aiming

are u a scab gunner

have u been killed

[austere crest]

trauma was one of the slowest for boss damage iirc

[lyric burrow]

i still aimed

[viscid heart]

im at another DH. Just to be sure, are you supposed to get the 90% boss damage penance instantly when you finish it? or at the end of the game

[lyric burrow]

i just know what his intention was

i could see it in his eyes

[austere crest]

instantly

[lyric burrow]

@spice veldt do you deny these accusations

[lunar hollow]

im so glad my skull is devoid of any thoughts

[viscid heart]

I didnt get it with the last one then. Even tho I did 100% of the damage with brain burst, and im in a private game. hmm

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/kin5im

smooth brain, spacious skull

[austere crest]

how the hell can u stand looking at that lol

[lyric burrow]

https://streamable.com/zk2diz

[lunar hollow]

ask arco

this is not my clip

[austere crest]

that dog looks like a fetus

[lunar hollow]

he has played like this for 2000 hours

its all he knows

[austere crest]

thats not that much

XD

[lyric burrow]

he has become one with the playdough

[lunar hollow]

i would count any amount of time with those graphics as too much

[austere crest]

but its so...shiny

[lyric burrow]

its got charm

[austere crest]

slimy even

[lyric burrow]

i must admit

[austere crest]

its somewhere between xbox 360 and atari and i dont know where it falls

[lunar hollow]

this was a deliberate murder attempt because i am dumb and thought you were at one wound

[lyric burrow]

i switch to 3 toughness curios for the first time

and josho instantly attempts murder

[lunar hollow]

there were a couple times u still dont know about

so

[lyric burrow]

what did i do to deserve this

i saved you from poxwalkers

[lunar hollow]

i am reminding you to appreciate the good things in life

(not me)

[lyric burrow]

josho if playing darktide with the boys (including you) was not the good things in life i would not have stayed up till 9 am to play and then gone to class

[lunar hollow]

that's fair

i'll have to try harder next time

🙂

[lyric burrow]

damn

[vernal blaze]

3 psyker 1 zealot archivum with +specialists / monster specials

that was uhh

fun

[lunar hollow]

bring all voidstrikes and stunlock all the bosses

[lyric burrow]

dont do it

[vernal blaze]

only 1 staff user and i ran trauma

[viscid heart]

hmm. I dunno why the DH kill I did didnt count

[lunar hollow]

😔

[lyric burrow]

void corrupts your brain

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/pc9skp

[lyric burrow]

it changes you

[lunar hollow]

void has been unable to change my habits

[lyric burrow]

its enabled htem

[vernal blaze]

on one hand we actually did beat it

[lunar hollow]

mankar is at this point genuinely amazed at how liable i am to blow up to poxbursters

[austere crest]

clip of the night

[vernal blaze]

on the other hand we were practically cycling through downed players like we were working shifts

it worked out in the end though

[lyric burrow]

@lunar hollow i need to stop using void

why did you convince me to do this

(by association)

[lunar hollow]

u gotta blow em up

[lyric burrow]

i will not blow up my random teammates

however they did almost just let me die to a dog

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/l05o46

[lyric burrow]

like full health bar

[lunar hollow]

it happens to everyone