psyker-class

[vestal fulcrum]

Who am I to judge

[wind spruce]

I'd rather have flurry nexus than flurry blaze

Your crit chance without nexus is garbage

[cosmic sigil]

You do not play Helldivers 2 like half dt user base?

[harsh urchin]

helldivers is gud

[plucky flax]

No I'm broke I just bought palworld. I still need 2 new tyres for my car this month too.

And maybe a tattoo appointment

[wind spruce]

TAXE GO BRRRRRRRR

(i blew myself up twice with scriers cos im gud)

[cosmic sigil]

You run. You don't need tyres. O//

[radiant frigate]

what's helldivers 2

[cosmic sigil]

The problem with taxe is comparing them to caxes

[wind spruce]

whats ur favourite caxe

i made a rashad then didnt use it

just been using taxe mk II

[cosmic sigil]

Antax is my favorite caxe

[vestal fulcrum]

A Co-op first third person shooter vidya

It released yesterday

[vestal fulcrum]

Based

[plucky flax]

How many players?

[cosmic sigil]

MK2 is good

Mk7 too

[vestal fulcrum]

~50k IIRC?

[plucky flax]

I like the graphics the capes flapping look cool.

[cosmic sigil]

Yesterday more than 40k

Pun intended

[plucky flax]

I mean how many players per round.

4 or 8 or?

[vestal fulcrum]

[sullen sphinx]

Heard it has some technical difficulties, so I'll wait a bit

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s up to 4 players/lobby

[plucky flax]

Sound

[wind spruce]

antax doesnt have finesse though

[cosmic sigil]

yeah but i know the moveset by heart

so it's comfy

i do use the rashad tho... well i tend to rotate my loadout

[upper sun]

its time to roll another deimos

[potent echo]

Helldivers has quite alot of players, if you press quickplay you gonna get matched instantly

For now at least

[tulip kettle]

yeah and then you get kicked from the server 3 mins later for no reason by nothing

[plucky flax]

New game launch in 2024

[granite mauve]

game would run fine on my very powerful machine but constantly crash

so this game was a solid refund for me

(I'll buy it again when they patch it)

[wheat seal]

Trauma staff is god tier

@tulip kettle early week I was saying trauma is bad lol

[flint aspen]

is warp nexus advisable for voidstrike

[wheat seal]

yes

[flint aspen]

because Hadron attempted to brick this one, had to change sustained fire for it

[acoustic swallow]

rather do warp nexus or terrifying barrage?

[vestal fulcrum]

Terrifying Barrage is not a good blessing. Upgrade Nexus, if you can.

[plucky flax]

Nah it's bad.

[misty cypress]

the amount of people ive see running terrifying barrage on purpose blows my mind

[vestal fulcrum]

People apparently like to SUPPRESS

[flint aspen]

melk wtf are these perks

[misty cypress]

I think they assume it works on melee

thinking it becomes a cc machine

which would be cool

[vestal fulcrum]

What they might not realise is that many enemies don’t care about suppression, or that Purgatus already suppresses well by itself, or that TerriBADradge has a limited range and only triggers on direct damage ticks

[misty cypress]

ive been getting bored of staffs, or at least wanna mix things up. What guns other than laspistol can I use on psyker? Stuff with solid ammo economy. I'm so sick of assail so I don't wanna do an assail build ft. gun

[urban sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-meme-yeah-boy-gif-19319988

[cold geode]

#psyker-class message

This is what I use.

[tulip kettle]

this is completely bricked

[misty cypress]

is graia more efficient than columnus?

[tulip kettle]

depends what you mean

[misty cypress]

ammo wise

[tulip kettle]

well, depends on the target

[flint aspen]

as expected

[tulip kettle]

for shooting trash? sure

[misty cypress]

everything but monstrosities

[tulip kettle]

its only more efficient on trash really, as you can hit the 1 shot on trash breakpoint easily

goddamn it wrong reply

im such a dinosaur

[cold geode]

I might be insane but I don't think you get access to colum on psyker? I've been awake for far to long.

[misty cypress]

gotcha

youre insane

[tulip kettle]

he is indeed insane

stop listening to the voices thyazide

[cold geode]

Sweet

[misty cypress]

why tf dont we have braced autos

gotta be racist

[tulip kettle]

because imagine how OP that would be

[cold geode]

Look. They tell me what I want to hear

[misty cypress]

elaborate

[tulip kettle]

same guns that are already good on us but the twice the ammo

hmmmmm

[misty cypress]

the voices tell me to waffle stop a shit in the walmart urinal so i stopped listening

[cold geode]

Well anyway I use what I use cause ammo efficiency

[misty cypress]

it wouldnt be op, itd give an option for when you dont have a vet with survivalist

[cold geode]

That all brain remembers

[tulip kettle]

to be fair, you dont need survivalist at all

just use assail more

[misty cypress]

exactly

id rather die

[tulip kettle]

you really shouldnt be shooting trash as much as possible

[misty cypress]

sick of assail

[tulip kettle]

fair, bring an illisi then

and play with a revolver

put +cara and +maniac on the revolver, with rending and crits

flak and whatever other junk you want on the illisi

cut all the trash into ribbons and shoot the scary stuff

[cold geode]

I only use it when its necessary. Target to far, ooa, or don't have time to reload

[misty cypress]

ive been enjoying illsi with stacks of dd. Hits breakpoints on trash nicely. although tbh I havent spent much on illsi without dd, so maybe its just my blessings

[plucky flax]

High damage illisi with slaughterer 4 cut through horse with just light spam

[misty cypress]

poor horse

[plucky flax]

Horde D:

Nice auto correct

[tulip kettle]

the third option which i dont see a lot

is Kant IV with flak and maniac

shoot everything that isnt a crusher or bulwark and actually have good ammo economy

still 1 shotting trash with DD

but also killing everything else fast too

[dim parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/bojack-gif-22160592

[plucky flax]

[flint aspen]

60 damage, this ain't great for stats, right?

[dim parrot]

sadly no

may u have better luck on your next roll sibling

[flint aspen]

fucking brunt

I have both 347s, this one with slow quell speed and the other slow charge speed

[plucky flax]

Blast radius is dump on void so its not as hard to find a good base like trauma.

[flint aspen]

welp, how can I save my current voidstrike as a stopgap until I build a better one

[rigid sky]

Quell speed is like the tertiary stat

it's not so important if it's not that high

you'd rather it were lower but you can use that one

[flint aspen]

the replaced blessing was sustained fire in favor of warp nexus

built another one

[plucky flax]

I like high quell speed.

[tulip kettle]

this one can work though

useable at least

sustained fire for surge then whatever you want to do with the perks

[tulip kettle]

i would change maniac to carapace then keep flak, you can always swap cara again later. surge is best DPS with nexus but you could also go for flurry for now if you dont have surge

but really youre looking for 60 in blast radius then max everything else on void, so still room to improve XD

[untold niche]

@haughty star game not fun
they made it like too hard
Keep spamming the boss that takes ages to kill

vomit guy one shots you in like 2 tick damage

Genuinely HD1 was more fun although it looked more bland

[flint aspen]

I have a surge

[untold niche]

if you want it to feel consistent/"good"
Take flurry
if you want to 1tap crusher, take surge

[flint aspen]

this is my current surge

[untold niche]

no he meant surge blessing

[flint aspen]

o

[untold niche]

my build: #psyker-class message

My wall of text, advice for voidstrike:
#psyker-class message

[marble crater]

Can I use voidstrike with bad aim? How necessary are headshots?

[supple sedge]

Ulgo say thank you for kind words

[little rapids]

aiming is easy with big bowling ball

trust

[haughty star]

I downloaded enshrouded last night and it's pretty freaking good so far

[plucky flax]

We lost.

I tried my best but they were sus.

Top boss damage with surge staff.

[vestal fulcrum]

You did well

Shit happens

[plucky flax]

Surge right click is repsectable boss damage.

[idle plover]

Jumpscare ping from day away

[vestal fulcrum]

I’d rather whip out Deimos and shoot for the weak spot hits, but Surge as a lazy method of killing bosses is also OK

[plucky flax]

Hrm I play illisi with surge.

So no deimos for head poky.

Not really sure what's the best loadout for green monsters modifier.

[flint aspen]

so basically I have to have DD for Voidstrike

s h i t, I'm not used to Disrupt Destiny

[untold niche]

if you want to 1 tap crusher
honestly, you prob don't need to, i just prefer DD thresholds
and DD is always up

also DD cost less than the left tree, that one takes like 2 more nodes

warp cahrges

[misty cypress]

sorry if i don't have the context, just saw this, if youre asking whether you need dd to make voidstrike good, no.

[plucky flax]

Why do you have to take dd?

Nothing is a must.

I don't use dd in my void build.

[misty cypress]

can you one tap a crusher without crit with dd?

[untold niche]

no but i remember with crit, warp can't do it
or at least 4 cahrge warp

[mental rock]

I'm pretty sure you can with the surge blessing, although it won't technically be a one tap

[untold niche]

@flint aspen are you on PC?
if so get the creature spawner build and try out the thresholds urself
for DD to proc, you need to disable the invisibility (as in no see, not no die)

[misty cypress]

is the invisibility what keeps them from attacking and moving around?

[untold niche]

yeah. because thhey can't see you

[misty cypress]

bruh i never knew. thanks for the info

[untold niche]

also, i can full charge 1 tap a gunner on max DD stacks (no crit)
prob can't do that on warp charge

[misty cypress]

weakspot or no

[untold niche]

yep headshot

with voidstrike who is shooting at the body anyway

[misty cypress]

not that it matters since headshots are so easy

[untold niche]

that too.

[misty cypress]

been thinking about using scriers with purg or void, feel like i should use the bottom node for -20%peril generation on the scriers. At least with purg since I just want the flame staff proc with crit. Finesse would matter more on void

anyone got experience?

[rigid sky]

you're playing with fire there

my balls aren't anywhere near big enough to pull that off

[untold niche]

with scriers, you can't run peril related buffs
(crit and damage)
not can't but it will be like you know, contradicting

And scriers have like downtime.

i tried it for i think three days
but admittedly that was when i wasn't good on psyker yet

[misty cypress]

thus the reason i wanna do the -20% generation of peril, might make it safer. maybe warp charges too for decreased peril gen

[untold niche]

this game is boring, just try the build

if you running scrier tho

prob flurry + the minus peril on kill on your staff

you will want solidity

[untold niche]

i was talking about void context
i remember someone that plays purge scrier admitted that althouigh he liked running it, the thresholds prob didn't change / matter that much / doing the other builds was better

i think its @glossy ember

[glossy ember]

[untold niche]

:3

[glossy ember]

who dareth summon me

[untold niche]

booden

do you play scirer purge?

scrier*

[glossy ember]

no i ran scrier surge

[misty cypress]

for the finesse bonus on scriers?

[glossy ember]

no

[untold niche]

ah, this man here is considering scrier purge
and i thought you would be able to help given your top1% skill

[glossy ember]

finesse doesnt work on surge staff

[glossy ember]

unfortunately

someone else played scrier purge

idr who

[misty cypress]

finesse=crit do more damage?

[glossy ember]

i dont really like purge so didnt do it

[untold niche]

finese is weakspot do more damage iirc

[glossy ember]

yeah thats what i remember too

[misty cypress]

i think it reads weakspot and crit

[glossy ember]

hm

well either way

you mostly wanted the crit rate and raw dmg

for surge

you can probably search for clips i posted in this channel

by filtering my name with vids

[untold niche]

b ooden are you doing the surge cancel

with blitz

the one uh agent posted

[glossy ember]

blitz cancel yeah

is there anew one?

i havent played in a long time

[untold niche]

nah its prob exactly hwhat you are htinking of

[untold niche]

this game?

or surtge

[glossy ember]

this game

stopped cuz of wrist pain

[untold niche]

now im wondering who also is active in this servber bu doesn't play xD
Ah, i hope you get well soon. Especially since thats likely to affect work

[misty cypress]

i notice that i never see people in the chat and in lfg, its one or the other

[glossy ember]

seems to only happen when i play fps games lol

so im chillin at work and on other games

darktide made it real bad tho

so i just stopped

i like the game a lot but i aint risking it

[untold niche]

YOou shouldn't but can consider a wrist guard next time u plasy

[glossy ember]

hm

might give it a shot

[tired estuary]

I had to switch to a vertical mouse for fps but it did wonders for my tendinitis

[vocal cliff]

Scab melee only, perfect for a special something

Oh a tauntgryn, usually it's just 4 psykers so it's nice to not have that be the case

[untold niche]

that mael makes some builds cry

like my uh caxe zealot

[misty cypress]

wtf is a vertical mouse

[untold niche]

doesn't affect psyker at all tho

[misty cypress]

ill google lol

[misty cypress]

is it just one of the sideways/slanted ones or do you use a trackball too?

[tired estuary]

just a wireless sideways one, the key thing is having your hand oriented like that while steering a mouse is better ergonomically than while holding it flat

[vocal cliff]

2 of them were smite psykers

Great

[zenith vessel]

this singlehandedly fixed my RSI i had from playing games & working on a pc all day. it became so bad i couldnt click my M1 while at work. switching to vertical mouse while at work fixed it completely, highly recommend

[vocal cliff]

The kind that just spam smite when both of them don't need to

One is good enough

[zenith vessel]

"quick, someone else kill this thing"

"yeah, someone else kill it!"

[tired estuary]

yeah it can be kinda hard to find a decent one for cheap and might take a little getting used to but its 1000% worth it

[flint aspen]

the big E is way too keen on giving me axes as psyker

I think he's given me more axes than he does with autoguns

[upper sun]

nah even 3 smite psykers is fine as long as you dont get any bosses 🙂

[upper sun]

its not the Emperor its the chaos forces dont listen sell the axe

[flint aspen]

I'm a space mage, not a lumberjack

do psyker players ever use the autopistol

[haughty star]

Try the razer naga. It will change your life

[glossy ember]

i have uh

razer basilisk v3

good mouse

[upper sun]

get an mmo mouse and macro everything

[flint aspen]

two melk stuff

[haughty star]

Yeah I use that one too but I'm saying if your wrist problem is left hand it helps alot with the naga to bind all the dumb fortnite actions you have to do in this game to the mouse

[vocal cliff]

Bruh

[glossy ember]

oh no my wrist problem is mouse hand

my keyboard hand is fine and dandy

[zenith vessel]

vertical mouse will definitely help a lot

[glossy ember]

i can imagine yeah

[zenith vessel]

I use the logitech one, it wasnt very expensive

[glossy ember]

i just didnt wanna fork money again after i had bought a mouse recently lol

esp since i like the texture

and i have no pain unless i play fps games

[zenith vessel]

Takes a little bit to get used to but you don't need to use it 24/7 if you dont want, start by like 50/50 and see if that alleviates the symptoms

[vocal cliff]

What.the.fuck

Yes I did forget where the burster was for a bit but what thy fuck

[glossy ember]

i'll give it a shot if i notice pain even without playing fps games

[flint aspen]

as for the two melk items, are both of them usable or not?

[idle plover]

Some scriers gaze psyker might occasionally try it out

[zenith vessel]

Another option (if you're looking for options) is to maybe try changing sensitivity on your mouse. If you have high sens and "wrist aim", maybe try clearing some desk space up and using low sens to "arm aim"

[rigid sky]

I used to like the idea of doing the autopistol when gunkers took kinetic flayer

but I never actually touched gunker at that time

also autopistol was busted at that point

I kinda feel like CIAG is just the same gun but better

[glossy ember]

had 0 desk space but wasnt running high sens either (kept bumping my kb lmao)

im getting more desk space soon tho

[idle plover]

Auto pistol was somehow busted before?

[rigid sky]

yeah baby

or rather

[idle plover]

Damn

[rigid sky]

pinning fire was busted

and autopistol got a huge benefit from it

bolter was also busted with pinning fire (although unlike autopistol it was also still strong even without it)

[idle plover]

Wish it would be strong today

[rigid sky]

but autopistol was just Pinning Fire: The Gun

[hollow current]

If you like revolver I think hand cannon is a BIS blessing. dunno on chainsword but finesse kinda dumped on that so maybe not

[rigid sky]

if you want the feel of it run a CIAG

it feels just like autopistol used to for me, except more controllable

[rigid sky]

I think for the Agri revolver hand cannon and crucian roulette are the meta

obviously for Zarona (my beloved) it's surgical/hand cannon

but crucian fits the spammy nature of Agri more

[flint aspen]

the only bad part about the revolver is that it isn't the ADS one

damn it melk

[rigid sky]

I only take Zarona on my Zealot, wouldn't touch Agri if you paid me

but idk about the other revolver users

I feel like right keystone vet would prefer Zarona too

[flint aspen]

esp since braced revolver doesn't even have a dot when aiming

[rigid sky]

but psyker, idk

Gunker feels spammy to me

it doesn't feel like a precision shots spec

[vocal cliff]

I think I'm just gonna avoid this maelstrom as psyker because of how many psykers just want to pile in on it and just go plasma shout vet

[flint aspen]

its psyker that's basically "yeah, I'm out of mana, except I still have this glock on my cloak"

after trying out the autopistol as Psyker

whew you ran out of ammo quick

also fatshark what is this clipping

[vocal cliff]

Of course the second I go vet there's only one PSYKER

[haughty star]

The basilisk is such a solid unit

I've had mine for 2 years with literally 0 problems

[hollow current]

fat shark, give me the mouth guard without the toilet bowl

PLS

[spiral minnow]

do 17% toughness and 21% health curios exists? didnt see so far any...

[hollow current]

They do, just rare. gotta be a very high base. around 75-76+ iirc

[vocal cliff]

It wasn't a psyker it was a vet

[flint aspen]

fuck the non-ADS revolver crosshair really is just unusable

[misty cypress]

why do people run 2 tough and 1 health instead of 3 tough? is there diminishing returns on a third?

[rigid sky]

Effectively yes, depending on how you look at it

[idle plover]

Suppose they do want that extra bit of hp

[rigid sky]

if 1 toughness curio gives you say 50 toughness, 3 will give 150

[flint aspen]

aaand bricked, thank you hadron

[idle plover]

Or they got most toughness modifiers from the talent tree

[rigid sky]

which is linear, rather than compounding

[idle plover]

Id use that

Well swapping reload and raking fire

Aside

[rigid sky]

so let's say the first is a 17% increase, the third will be

uh

I'll check in a little bit

[flint aspen]

what to swap reload and rake fire with

[misty cypress]

right, so on a class where all of our perks for sustainability are focused on regening a percentage of total toughness pool, why would you ever sacrifice a toughness curio for a health one?

[rigid sky]

it's a 12.6% effecitve increase over the second

[idle plover]

Prob vs maniac

[rigid sky]

Poxbursters

[idle plover]

For blessing not too sure

Or infested yes

[rigid sky]

there's a few enemy types which, if they break your toughness, act as if you had none to your HP bar

poxbursters and snipers

also previously fire would just straight up break it

[idle plover]

I have inspiring barrage on my autopistol

[rigid sky]

but not any more

[idle plover]

Magdumping to fill toughness

[rigid sky]

atm I think toughness stacking is the best it's ever been

[flint aspen]

surprising, since flak usually is the first choice

[idle plover]

Raking fire would be good if that was for veteran

[rigid sky]

but I cba to make a perfect toughness curio to replace my HP one lol

[idle plover]

I mean flak is fine but you will be still dumping a lot of ammo

I personally just have infested so i can spray poxwalker horde

[zenith vessel]

yeah, also just melee in general will chip your hp unless you're at 100% toughness when you get hit every time

[misty cypress]

thats been my experience. I grab as many as many toughness nodes in the tree as I can and go 3 toughness curios. kinetic deflection too so i dont have to use a stamina curio

[flint aspen]

so basically

kill dreg ragers asap or shred the poxwalker horde

[idle plover]

It has worked for me at least. I could see flak being still ok alternative

[rigid sky]

Kinetic Deflection has amazing synergy with stamina curios though lol

I run a single +3 stamina for it

[misty cypress]

thus the reason I use 3 toughness because I can regen more toughness to bring myself up to full before something gets me with a followup. I rarely take chip damage as a result. Only die to poxburst and trapper

[misty cypress]

to just block longer?

[rigid sky]

If I get pressured and can't get my staff out, and I'm stuck with a single target weapon

yeah, helps me block longer so I can push and dodge myself out of the corner

or get the pressure taken off me by another teammate

also I run deflector on my Deimos

so it helps with that too

[zenith vessel]

It's all % based though, so regardless of how much toughness you have, being <100% toughness and getting hit by melee will have a certain % also hit your HP. But yeah you can be pretty gucci if constantly regenning toughness

[idle plover]

Autopistol is more on a tool than lethal gun side of things so i prefer just maxing its potency vs hordes

[misty cypress]

thats what im saying, like in theory, ive just lost 15 toughness from something, and regening 18 protects me from a followup melee vs the 12 I might regen if I only have two toughness curios

[zenith vessel]

Ah gotcha yeah I see what you mean

[misty cypress]

ill try out a health just to see if three tough is overkill but ive had a lot of zero damage damnations and a couple aurics too

[idle plover]

I usually dont like to stack all into toughness dependant on build

I usually like 2 toughness one hp

[misty cypress]

i was just talking about that specifically

[idle plover]

Shame there aint 2 wound relics

[rigid sky]

I still wouldn't use the buggers

They reduce the effectiveness of health stims

Since stims came out, I think wound curios have gone from being questionable to being outright bad

[idle plover]

I use them occasionally if i get decent enough durability from tree already

Like very middle heavy vet

[radiant frigate]

technically this describes every class

[flint aspen]

I'll carry at least one wound curio just in case I suddenly got the worf flu in higher difficulties

[near wyvern]

Yeah nah, if you go down on Auric Maelstroms that's it. Extra wounds don't really matter, you want to do everything in your power to not allow that to happen.

[radiant frigate]

i will use triple toughness curios with triple gunner/flamer/bomber DR

[idle plover]

Only dr i take is vs gunners

Others i can manage

Then its the 5% tough/hp or toughness/stamina regen

Or sprint efficency

[eager mantle]

You can revive a lot in aurics. Stuff like this make me look at wound curios sometimes.

[idle plover]

Do gunner res also work on shotguns

Or are they completely outside all dr

[flint aspen]

ah yes, stealth poxbursters

[eager mantle]

I love being rezzed and then immediately a poxburster lands on me

[idle plover]

180 degree spin bursters

[upper sun]

had a rager casually walk up to me after i ulted today

[idle plover]

I hate that you just die instantly if fire is on ground when rezz

[upper sun]

idk if its the tick rate or hit boxes or something but idk if its ever gonna get fixed at this point

[flint aspen]

ragers are my new PTSD after this event

[feral seal]

[eager mantle]

Depends. But it was funny seeing an ogryn get deleted quickly when the fire change first happened

[flint aspen]

this is regular ass damnation btw, no modifiers

[feral seal]

Shit ass quell speed

Btw what combat blade do yall prefer, the original or the new one?

[flint aspen]

never tried combat knives as psyker

[idle plover]

Neither have i

They feel too out of place on psyker

Altho i do love my vet commando with knife

[eager mantle]

I like it but I also like DS4 poke and range more

[flint aspen]

been trying to find ways to utilize the special attack in conjunction to the first light and heavy poke

[rigid sky]

special attack is for when you feel spooky

idk maybe it helps on crushers

[upper sun]

this works with illisi idk if it does with demios but if you hold heavy attack then charge its slightly faster

[flint aspen]

hold heavy then charge?

[upper sun]

ye but if you dont let go on the right time it would just be a light

[radiant frigate]

can manage is good, having twice as much time to deal with something is also nice

[idle plover]

Sure but i have generally been able to clap other specials before they are issue, gunners are way too common issue for myself so i hard focus them

Also on ogryn i tend to get bomber res

As with him its harder to avoid the pools of flame

[rigid sky]

iirc it doesn't affect their bomb damage

hilariously

it just affects that kick they do when you get very close to them

[radiant frigate]

that was fixed

[rigid sky]

oh shit ok

[radiant frigate]

it most certainly affects the flame damage

[flint aspen]

your head asplode

[vague musk]

is there any talants that can make lightning better

[feral seal]

When the trauma psyker has the most disabler and special kills

[zenith vessel]

yeah, use the staff version instead

good damage on literally all types of enemies, high stagger so you're still stunlocking crushers and maulers

[flint aspen]

so apparently deimos big poke can OHKO a mutant if hit in it's weird head hitbox

...with max warp charges that is

[rigid sky]

Different tool in a different slot for a different purpose.

[flint aspen]

I was wondering why my deimos suddenly is becoming much more of a monster than when placed in a different build

turns out its just because my warp charges has the +4% damage increase per warp charge

[long wharf]

you should also be using Warp Rider node

very hard to turn down +20% damage based on peril

especially when every build is basically one point from having it

[vague musk]

is the 1-6 stacks of soulblaze or 100-200 flat damage better

[flint aspen]

I also have warp rider, yes.

[eager token]

soulblaze

they should really get rid of that flat damage shriek talent and make it so it extinguishes flames or something instead

[vague musk]

or an extra long stun or damage vuln to targetr

[long wharf]

yeah, the flat damage node is absolutely trash

there's never a reason to take it

ought to be replaced

[opaque charm]

Hmmm. Switch to the good ult and you will be fine

[untold niche]

@haughty star the people in that game discord are insane

[haughty star]

Is that the helldivers discord?

[untold niche]

correct

[untold niche]

like to me it really isn't about the absolute value.
i spent like 100+ on tarkov for its "best" edition. i regretted it, i also felt that it was expensive but i won't complain
because its the only game that can give me that kind of experience and its the first game that did.

[haughty star]

Maybe I'll let my buddy buy it for me

[untold niche]

i think waht i found most amusing is how random internet guy can get so mad at another random internet guy for feeling that the game isn't worth it (esp since it has all those server issues etc)

[vague musk]

does quell speed only work if the weapon is active

[spice veldt]

ye

the weapons that can quell have their own quell speed
blitzes and force swords have an unlisted quell speed of 50%

[vague musk]

damit

[spice veldt]

this leads to a funny situation where if the quell speed stat on your staff is less than 50%, it's faster to quell with your blitz/sword than with your staff

[eager token]

what are people mad about in there exactly lol

[untold niche]

that 1. i said the 60 dollar game was 40 dollars and 2. i called it expensive and complained about the grind

mainly 2.

[eager token]

ya game is kinda grindy

so was the first one iirc

it’s fun though

[untold niche]

1000 warbondsuper credits( like you said) just to get 1 premium warbond

[eager token]

those are super credits

and it just unlocks them

[untold niche]

i prefer the first game
the new game, they spawn too many chargers at low difficulty, no real way to deal with that

[eager token]

you buy them with regular war bonds

yeah i think it has some balance issues

[untold niche]

likei think core gameplay is good

sound of gun, enemies reacting to getting shot, gun recoil

but the balance veryu whack.

[eager token]

the battlepass stuff isn’t p2w or anything so it’s eh

[untold niche]

its debatable
certain weapons are in the premium battlepass

[eager token]

like what

[untold niche]

scroll all the way down of the premium battlepass

[eager token]

from what ive seen/tested they seem to be pretty shit

[untold niche]

you will see

jar 7 or is it jar 4 or something

[eager token]

those are in the regular one tho it’s just they have an explosive modifier

[untold niche]

thats not the only one as well

[eager token]

unless i missed something

there aren’t “premium” war bonds btw

they’re all the same

[untold niche]

its still a difference
anyway im not here to argue about that.
Because how strong my argument is would rely on how strong the weapons are.

point is its a tedious grind if i specifically wanted jar 7

[eager token]

you just spend the creds to unlock the other one

yeah the grind is a thing for sure

[long wharf]

shame Helldivers devs insist on keeping GameGuard

[eager token]

[long wharf]

I refuse to let that shit onto any computer I have any control over

[untold niche]

i feel that, whoevebr is putting enough effort to bypass popular/good anticheat that isn't kernel level on fucking helldivers, should deserver that hack xD
(am sort of joking btw)

[long wharf]

there's zero reason for an online-only game to require client-side anti-cheat

especially when it's not a PvP game

[untold niche]

so yeah its weird they put kernel level anti cheat on a pve game

i feel compelled to install darktide back now

like i need a casual game

but i also know that i will get bored of DT after like 1-2 weeks again

[long wharf]

Darktide can be casual

I keep it installed just because I play it a few times a week

[untold niche]

yeah it is, its just that it gets repetitive very fast for me

[long wharf]

which is why I also rotate which class I play

[plucky flax]

We palling frens.

[eager token]

im just grinding 100% achievements for DT then will put it on the shelf and play around updates

[plucky flax]

I haven't finished weekly in 3 weeks.

[untold niche]

palworld?
eh.

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's very buggy but it's fun.

[long wharf]

I'd end up hating myself and Darktide if I tried to grind out the last of my penances

[eager token]

i been 38/40 stunned enemies killed on zealot for like months

[plucky flax]

I'm just alternating between palworld and disco elysium atm.

[eager token]

i have 100% penances on ogryn and psyker

[plucky flax]

Maybe 1 round of darktide a day.

[long wharf]

I still need mission penances

and total kills

[eager token]

i need 20 more games with no one going down (lol lmao) and 40 stunned enemy kills on zealot and i will be done

[untold niche]

these kind of game i see it at its core and then i get disinterested xD
at its core: survival game, but very cool aesthetics + rewarding "battles"(?)
but how rewarding it is depends on how immersed/ how much you like the palkemon

[plucky flax]

I'm just memeing on single player.

With custom settings.

Ain't nobody got time to grind.

[eager token]

real

[untold niche]

are you like playing beach volleyball with the sheeps

xD

[untold niche]

thats one melk task i skip every single time

i can't even trust myself (in a normal game) to not down once
how can i trust the legendary +3 vet || you know exactly what i am going to rant about here||

[untold niche]

@plucky flax

[plucky flax]

[untold niche]

mehhhh

i bouight tekken but like

im still working on the gameplan

and it snot casual

you kniow what would be fun in DT

if i can get to play as the bomber

imagine 4v4
zombie team, all choose bomber

very cool.

roasty

[long wharf]

the zealot already throws a holy fire grenade

[untold niche]

no i want to burn the human team

they will call me kobe burn-yan

[long wharf]

... ok

[untold niche]

[long wharf]

perhaps you should get some sleep

you'll make more sense after some rest

[eager token]

some bombers are already kobe bryant tier

seen some crazy throws

[long wharf]

kobe places basketball

[untold niche]

thye have +10 IQ and +10 accuracy when they are not alone

[long wharf]

the better sports analogy would be american football

[eager token]

eh

[long wharf]

they place grenades better than a professional NFL quarterback

[eager token]

i prefer to imagine them shooting free throws

tom brady ass mfs

[long wharf]

why? the net doesn't move in basketball

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/kobe-bryant-kobe-legendary-gif-26049594

the bomber everytim

[long wharf]

bombers are hitting their target, wherever it is, through the smallest of possible spaces

[stone canyon]

Blast radius wasnt that important right?

[untold niche]

yeah, some people like it low too

[long wharf]

right

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/kobe-bryant-mamba-mentality-lakers-rip-dunk-gif-16173164

pox burster highlight reel

where is arco

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-bills-49ers-gif-19476505

[untold niche]

im making good memes

[radiant frigate]

what the fuck am i reading

[long wharf]

people complaining about microtransactions in a game where you can earn the premium currency by playing the game

salt of the earth folks

you know, morons.

[untold niche]

pov this is how you feel when you successfully coordinate the power cell lader skip, throwing it to your teammate

[long wharf]

that's bombers every minute of their in-mission life

perfect throws 24/7

[untold niche]

if we coulkd whack the molo

it would become baseball

taphead.jpg

[long wharf]

the ogryn with the shield ought to be able to knock the grenade away by pushing

hounds should deflect off the shield as well

[untold niche]

oh yeah iw as surprised when hounds still could get you even when you are in stance

[long wharf]

I don't normally like the shield, but since my ogryn has melee contract this week, I used my shield (which is almost god-rolled) in a damnation yesterday, and I felt well-nigh invincible

[untold niche]

yeah i really like shield

good CC and damage

[long wharf]

with a heavy melee survival build, that shield just wrecks basically everything

[untold niche]

and gunner "resist"

[long wharf]

I ran shield+rumbler+taunt

felt weird not playing gungryn

but nothing could touch me as long as I was still swinging

[untold niche]

in response to

And the 60 dollar version gives you that pass as part of it so cry some more
Just say you're not good at saving for a game you want and move on

I took one jab at them though:

Just say that you can't judge value.
I honestly am not sure why you are defending the devs.

Maybe you are a very special type that likes overprice stuff, because that fills your ego about your spending capabilities? idk.

[long wharf]

calling it "overpriced" is really stupid

the base game is $40

[radiant frigate]

what game is it even

[untold niche]

:(

[long wharf]

and you can earn everything in-game

[untold niche]

i found it overpriced.

[long wharf]

then you don't have a normal perception of what new games cost

[untold niche]

yeah perhaps.

[long wharf]

Helldivers 2

when new console games are upwards $70 these days

[radiant frigate]

yeah but then you're playing on a console

[long wharf]

AAA games sell for $70 on Steam base, with upgrade versions going up to $120

no big studio is selling their new game for $40

[radiant frigate]

any game that is 70 eurodollars i am not buying

[long wharf]

doesn't change what the current market is expecting

nor what current publishers are expecting

calling a $40 overpriced is simply stupid

[radiant frigate]

40 is probably reasonable

[long wharf]

now, if it were a 30 minute experience, I'd agree

but it's Helldivers, and the devs are not only passionate about their games, but love interacting with their fanbase

and there's easily dozens of hours in Helldivers 2 if you aren't into grinding for stuff

$40 is more than reasonable

just a real shame they insist on using GameGuard

else they'd have my money

[untold niche]

its with context that, the premium currency takes alot to grind for
and to get the weapon i wanted i needed to grind for premium currency.

Imo its still a subjective thing. To me, its overpriced, to the industry, its expected. to you its more than reasonable.
So i don't get why the need to argue so strongly for/against

[radiant frigate]

what does "but it's helldivers" mean exactly

[long wharf]

"So i don't get why the need to argue so strongly for/against" and yet you felt it necessary to respond to their subjective opinion

[untold niche]

i was more responding at how strongly they felt. and then just explaining my stance.

[long wharf]

Helldivers 1 was a ton of fun

great co-op experience

I played it with my wife and kids on PS3

we easily put in a hundred+ hours

Helldivers 2 is, by all accounts, easily as good as the first

[radiant frigate]

granted "you no job so you no money" is a weird thing to go to

[eager token]

it’s a goofy coop horde game

[long wharf]

the devs put in the hard work and created a worthy sequel experience

I definitely wouldn't call Helldivers "goofy"

the setting is pure satire

[eager token]

i just mean the game world mostly

yeah

satire def a better word

[untold niche]

yeap this being my point.
You could say that uh, im not being realistic or whatever and thats fine, thats understandable.

jsut going that route shows some idk extremity? not sure exactly how i would phrase it but you get what i mean.

[eager token]

also the $20 extra doesn’t get you much besides unlocking the premium stuff for purchase, you can spend $10 extra to unlock it separately if that matters

the mini game on your ship is fun though

[long wharf]

they had my super citizen pre-order until they announced they were using GameGuard

[untold niche]

i felt that HD1 is the better game.
HD2 has better graphics thats for sure but i don't think you are missing out.

im not going to refund it because i want to wait for them to balance and then try again

[eager token]

i much prefer the 3rd person to top down

[untold niche]

top down has the cool melee insta turn tech tho xD

[eager token]

the slapstick friendly fire moments are so much more immersive that way

[long wharf]

I whole-heartedly disagree - I know I'm missing out, my youngest son is playing HD2 and he only raves about it

but I refuse to let GameGuard onto my PC

no good reason for an online-only game to need it

[eager token]

gameguard thing doesn’t bother me but i get it

hopefully they just change it out later if enough people complain

i think some dev said as much anyway

[long wharf]

hopefully

I really do want to play it

but that's how strongly I feel about installing a kernel-level rootkit on my PC

doesn't matter how well the uninstaller works

[radiant frigate]

huh

official name

[untold niche]

try cooking a nade

best immersion

[long wharf]

Milkies

[limber silo]

So, force wepaons Warp Resist modifier shows how much peril their attacks generate, but does it apply to your overall warp resistance?

i.e. does holding a force sword make my scrier's gaze generate slower?

[long wharf]

that's a good question, requires testing

[untold niche]

let me do summoning magic

[limber silo]

lol

[long wharf]

the common sense response would be "it shouldn't"

but the knowing-fatshark response is "it just might"

[untold niche]

sorry man, the winds are not in your favour today.

[spice veldt]

shame

i don't know but i strongly do not expect it to affect it

[limber silo]

I'm just asking because I run a illisi and a 13g cs on my gunker build and my SG lasts for SIGNIFICANTLY longer when I sue illisi. That might be the sweeping attacks killing stuff faster and giving me warp resist faster

[spice veldt]

if nothing else pop scrier's gaze in the psykh holding the chainsword or illisi and see if you have the same amount of stacks at the end of it

[limber silo]

will do rn

[long wharf]

the killing pauses SG peril gain

so the more you kill the longer it lasts

[haughty star]

It don't pause it

[long wharf]

that said, the peril gain speed is based on how long SG has been active

[haughty star]

Yeah that. Its exponential

[long wharf]

peril gain is slowed when you kill, sorry

but yeah, the peril gain quickly gets to where you can't possibly stop it from hitting 100%

but with Illisi, you should be able to easily cap your SG stacks

[haughty star]

If disrupt only had a few minor changes

[long wharf]

since you're killing via weakspots on every swing (should be)

[limber silo]

okay, I only have -5% peril resist in my tree and it lasted for about 12 seconds with the cs

[haughty star]

[long wharf]

DD needs to give you credit when the target dies, regardless of who kills it

[limber silo]

same time with the force sword, warp resistance has no effect on your overall peril gen

[limber silo]

I thought it does

[long wharf]

it does not

you have to get the kill for DD to gain a stack

[limber silo]

I seem to get a stack of DD when I tap the enemy but someone else kills it

[opaque charm]

I use Assail as my main weapon in Auric Malestrom. You know what it takes?

[long wharf]

it takes using assail?

[limber silo]

I was gonna say an empty brain

[long wharf]

assail is still plenty effective on auric maelstrom

[limber silo]

It's decent, but it's not a main weapon good

[long wharf]

it doesn't slaughter the horde like in lower difficulties, but ... exactly, it's no longer your primary weapon

it's still great at staggering groups of gunners

[harsh urchin]

it is main weapon good if you're using it properly

[limber silo]

my point exactly. It's not main weapon worthy, but it's a decent tool

[harsh urchin]

the problem is that the amount of effort you have to put in

[long wharf]

swapping to your weapon every shard you throw, ugh

[harsh urchin]

yeah it's quite cancerous

[limber silo]

seems like it's not worth it

[harsh urchin]

it's a unique playstyle

i like it

[limber silo]

Sure

[opaque charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6O22-03KFc

[harsh urchin]

just much higher effort than other builds

[limber silo]

I too enjoy carpal tunnel

[harsh urchin]

too much apm

[rotund fable]

assuming you have a lot of space, could you theoretically throw out a lot of shards into the air, then swap weapon and look at your target?

[long wharf]

on damnation, I do more aiming+throwing assail

[rotund fable]

or does that not work

[harsh urchin]

well yeah that's how you have to play it

[long wharf]

that's precisely what you do

[limber silo]

yeah I feel like the charge attack is much better

[harsh urchin]

to make it main weapon worthy lol

[limber silo]

I run assail on my trama stack for sniper sniping and whatnot

[long wharf]

you have to have room to swap to your desired weapon before the shards start hitting things

[harsh urchin]

eh

having room is easy

[long wharf]

my try-hard build is assail+EP+trauma(rending)+bubble

[harsh urchin]

the problem is mainly just playing it

[long wharf]

with my ds4

[harsh urchin]

requires a lot of mental effort

[limber silo]

I do trauma with assail and creep shriek

[rotund fable]

I use assail with my voidstrike build to farm true-aim when i dont have time to charge up/line up a perfect shot

[limber silo]

I just like the traditional playstyle every so often

[long wharf]

on damnation, I found void less reliable for stagger-locking bosses

[opaque charm]

To main weapon Assail you want DD, not EP

[long wharf]

I don't main assail with my try-hard build

EP helps me keep using assail when I want to

[radiant frigate]

literally "if i stop killing the voices get louder"

[long wharf]

I don't focus on using assail 100% of the time when try-harding

[opaque charm]

Silly imo. You should switch to WC to get peril resist

If you are mostly using staff

[long wharf]

it's not mostly using staff, either

it's a 50/50 situation

[radiant frigate]

i like to do main weapon illisi

[long wharf]

which is why I stick with EP

EP lets that 50% assail time happen

not enough points to get to Warp Battery with my build

[opaque charm]

DD would give your staff 15% more damage as another alternative, as well as buff the heck out of your small

Assail*

[radiant frigate]

i kinda like DD because it's just 2 points

[long wharf]

DD with trauma isn't a great combo

[opaque charm]

EP is such a waste unless you are constantly using blitz, and then in that case DD is still better for Assail

[limber silo]

I sometimes use EP with purge for the extra fast BB

[long wharf]

hard disagree - EP is the best keystone with assail

[opaque charm]

DD or warp charges is better for staff than the nothing from EP

[harsh urchin]

well just in case you couldn't read, they are talking about main weapon assail lol

though I do agree

assail+vs is better with dd

[long wharf]

yes, but my try-hard build is trauma

[harsh urchin]

though I prefer vs with wc

[long wharf]

trauma isn't hitting weakspots

[harsh urchin]

and no assail

[limber silo]

Assail is just Ogryn but you have WAY smaller rocks to throw at people

[opaque charm]

Trauma Crits and DD gives base 15% dmg

[near wyvern]

My try hard build is surge with fire smites. Makes the game so trivial.

[radiant frigate]

what part of that is ogryn

[limber silo]

Ogryn throws rocks. Assail is just a lot of smaller rocks

[near wyvern]

Fire trauma is good as well but smite spam is just ridiculous with blaze talents

[haughty star]

Surge is so good

[opaque charm]

Some ogryns throw rocks cuz they don't know the Kickback can 1 shot muties

[long wharf]

I'll give DD a try with my try-hard build, I just really dislike the way we lose all stacks at once and get no credit when a teammate kills our target

[limber silo]

In tabletop, assail throws fucking boulders at people

[haughty star]

A good play if you're going for a melee build is carry the zarona for tapping the annoying far away ones

[limber silo]

Shovel + Kickback + Rock = the very best ogryn

[long wharf]

not talking about melee build

[opaque charm]

Just damaging it will refresh your stack, very easy with trauma and Assail

[long wharf]

refresh but not increase

[limber silo]

What is up with you and your DD trauma obsession?

[opaque charm]

So use Assail to increase

[limber silo]

DD is good for voidstrike, that's it

[opaque charm]

DD helps, EP does not

[long wharf]

EP is great for assail

[limber silo]

Trauma does way better with WC anyways

[opaque charm]

Not once you actually use DD

[rotund fable]

The "Teamates can kill your target" part is the main reason i dont run DD.

[long wharf]

same

[limber silo]

DD + Assail makes your shards actually kill things well

[harsh urchin]

idk just git gudder lol

[opaque charm]

If only it was stupid easy to build/maintain stacks with Assail

[harsh urchin]

if teammates are killing stuff that just means you're not killing hard enough

[limber silo]

true

[long wharf]

good teammates means you can't rely on refreshing your DD stacks

[opaque charm]

Literally oneshotting shotgunners with Assail on non crits

[limber silo]

One time I tried a funny purge SG build. It sucked

Got SG active for one or two puffs and that's it

[harsh urchin]

SG is just in kinda a shitty state rn lol

regardless of how ppl try to shill it

[limber silo]

idk

Kinda nuts for gunker

[long wharf]

SG is a shitty designed ability

[limber silo]

wdym?

[harsh urchin]

it's not lol

gunker is carried by true aim

SG is very meh

[limber silo]

I feel like I've had this conversation with you before...

[long wharf]

time to go make dinner

[harsh urchin]

yeah and my opinion is still the same

it still has a bunch of issues

primary issue is that it has the thing where the cooldown doesn't start until the duration ends, which they reverted on executioners

cuz it made the skill unuseable

[limber silo]

10-30% damage, 20% crit, 20% move speed, up to 30% finesse, and 20% tdr for pressing a single button

and it's only a 30second cooldown

basically 20 seconds when you consider it's active for 10 seconds after you burn out

[harsh urchin]

yes, but compared to similar skills such as executioner stance for example

the downtime is like 3x

due to the fact that psykinetics aura has no effect on the cooldown while it's ticking

[radiant frigate]

fun

[harsh urchin]

and also due to the fact that WC CDR doesnt affect it

[limber silo]

Does psyker have executioner's stance?

That's a garbage comparison because it's not an option you can compare on the same class

[opaque charm]

It's a question of playing gunker with SG or vet in that case

[harsh urchin]

lolwut you absolutely can compare, especially when your comparison is gunker

[limber silo]

Psyker has talents that make it different but still enjoyable in a different way than vet

[harsh urchin]

sure, but we're discussing how ass of a skill SG is

[limber silo]

It's a playstyle choice and both are good in defferent ways

[opaque charm]

I play Assail Psyker with creeping flames and the Fanning Revolver, the True Gun Psyker

[limber silo]

Scier's Gaze is not as dude idk what you're on about

Executioner's Stance (which I rarely see anyone use) give you a bunch of damage and nothing else

[prime elk]

a bunch? eh

[limber silo]

You know what else gives you a bunch of damage? The rest of the vet tree, and it doesn't neeed executioner's stance to work

[harsh urchin]

bro, if you like playing gunker with SG that's fine, i'm not shitting on you for doing that lol

[radiant frigate]

exec stance kinda sucks

[harsh urchin]

but objectively SG is just dogshit

[limber silo]

it does

[harsh urchin]

the concept is fine

[opaque charm]

If they let Psyker have Brato gun I might use SG lol

[limber silo]

It only synergizes with headshot anyways

[harsh urchin]

but the current state has some design flaws that just make it fucked

[prime elk]

SG is just better exec stance

[harsh urchin]

disagree

I think it's worse

[limber silo]

The only flaw you've mentioned so far is that the cooldown doesn't drop when you use it

[harsh urchin]

due to the fact that it doesn't tick

until the cooldown ends

making the uptime significantly worse

[limber silo]

Yeah, everythings uptime is significantl;y worse than infinite dude

[radiant frigate]

but you can also melee with it

[tired estuary]

who cares its a piddly 30 second cd on an ability I don't want up all the time anyways by its nature lmao

[prime elk]

yeah SG's "downside" isn't an issue at all really

[radiant frigate]

my biggest probem with SG is that half the time i don't even want to use it

[limber silo]

You can have SG up for almost the entire mission. I have about 7 seconds of downtime when using it

oh no

[prime elk]

the real downside of SG is that it's a boring ability

[harsh urchin]

now you're just making shit up lol

[radiant frigate]

so i sit there wondering why i don't have shriek instead

[limber silo]

This is a valid point

[harsh urchin]

the downtime is forced

[tired estuary]

its nice to go as fast as zealot for a bit idk lol

[prime elk]

that's prob the one thing about SG that appeals to me

[misty cypress]

team was booty but I loved the build

[tired estuary]

b/c psyker's wack ass tree won't let crit build go into shriek cleanly

[prime elk]

killing things faster is great, but what about zooooooom

[limber silo]

You have 10 seconds where your cooldown is ticking and you still have all the damage benefits of SG. In that time you can kill enough shit where you have 7ish seconds odf downtime where you have no benefits at all

[radiant frigate]

so you're getting 13 seconds of cooldown reduction

[misty cypress]

this

[limber silo]

psykinetic aura baybee

[harsh urchin]

herein lies the problem aite? - you only get CDR from kills you get AFTER the cooldown starts

but if you press the skill

usually you're gonna be killing a bunch of shit

so where are you getting 13 seconds of CDR?

[limber silo]

and the cooldown starts after you hit 100%. You lose the benefits 10 seconds after you hit 100%

[radiant frigate]

we can say 3 from aura, that still leaves 10, which implies... 7 elite kills?

[harsh urchin]

all the elites/specials are dead already

[misty cypress]

its literally 30s its not that bad. I blink and I'm back with scriers

[tired estuary]

lmao oh no everything is dead but my ult isn't back off cd oh noooooooo

[limber silo]

for real

[misty cypress]

definetly a personal issue if you hate downtime

[limber silo]

seven elites/specials is normal

Especially in auric

[radiant frigate]

so what is this build exactly

gunker?

[limber silo]

Yeah

[radiant frigate]

without assail?

[limber silo]

I run it with smite

assail doesn't provide much to gunker imo

[harsh urchin]

lol wot

[tired estuary]

idk I like it to help with ammo efficiency

[limber silo]

and I can't get psykinetic's aura with assail

[harsh urchin]

assail is pretty much required as gunker if you want to quickplay with pubs

[limber silo]

That explains why you whine so hard about cooldown

[tired estuary]

and it makes getting dd stonks generally easy

[mental rock]

I would say assail's usefulness also depends on your melee weapon

[limber silo]

Yeah so does shooting and stabbing things

My ammo efficiency is "stab more things" while I have a ton of damage reduction from Scier's Gaze

[harsh urchin]

well yeah, if you take assail you have to eat the full cooldown each time; and if you don't take assail you have no cdr

[misty cypress]

I used this guys build. Specifically with the graia its great ammo economy and I used my assail only a couple times for distant disrupt destiny targets and snipers. I use the sword on hoards. It cuts like a hot knife through butter then I switch to gun for elites and specials or killing trash at mid distance. I use scriers on sword or gun, depending on what feels needed

[hexed geyser]

While we are talking about that, what's the general build for it? Let's say i want to play with a revo and maybe ds4

[misty cypress]

stats from my last game with that build

[limber silo]

what are you talking about bro. Just take psy aura and presence

[harsh urchin]

if you want to play with revo/ds4 you can try out assail EP, it's pretty fun.

[limber silo]

It's not like the other auras are worth taking

[harsh urchin]

if you take assail you can't take CDR on kill.

[limber silo]

Yeah, so I don't

[harsh urchin]

ok whatever you do you lol

[limber silo]

It's the second part of your statement that makes no sense

[limber silo]

"and if you don't take assail you have no cdr"

Look at the OTHER thing he said

the thing I quoted

[harsh urchin]

"ammo efficiency and consistent way to sustain DD"

I guess I typed too fast.

[limber silo]

Just stab things dude

[harsh urchin]

lol you're not going to sustain DD

with melee

[misty cypress]

you are in a horde

[radiant frigate]

why not

[limber silo]

Lol do you even use DD? Plenty of DD targets get in melee

[harsh urchin]

the only DD targets it highlights is bruisers

[limber silo]

Pop your dd target, then continue stabbing

[harsh urchin]

90% of the time it'll be shooters/elites/specials

[radiant frigate]

all perfectly meleeable targets either way

[misty cypress]

just had a match with plenty of melee dd targets

running to me

[limber silo]

Most specials cannot be DD targets

Ogryns cannot be targets either

[zenith vessel]

My only complaint about DD is that the color of the outline is nearly the same (or is the same?) as when they have soulblaze stacks 😦

[limber silo]

It basically only stronger horde mobs, gunners, and ragers

[harsh urchin]

yeah I don't know what kind of teammates you play with where you can sustain DD with melee

[limber silo]

That's fair

[zenith vessel]

I wish you could change that little indicator cause i like using it

And still use it no matter what but still!

[elder glade]

You also have 30 seconds between kills, it's more than enough in most scenarios to get a kill in melee. You don't even need to kill the target either, just tag them and if some one else nails them it's good. Even if you lose DD it just requires about 5 weakspot kills to get it back up and running at max

[zenith vessel]

Also I don't really understand the mechanics behind it, but it seems like it removes marks from people if you don't kill them in time? I should re-read the keystone

[limber silo]

Ok, so your issue is there is nothing to kill for DD?

[zenith vessel]

'cause I've had some I'm about to kill and the DD outline disappears

[limber silo]

Congrats, you are being carried. Enjoy it

[harsh urchin]

no I think DD is good lmao

[limber silo]

It kinda flip flops for some reason

[zenith vessel]

Maybe there's an internal limit on how many marks there can be at a given time

[limber silo]

Usually it just picks better targets ats they appear

One

[zenith vessel]

and once it reaches that number it removes the oldest DD target

oh

is it really? lmao

[limber silo]

One DD target at a time, but it prioritizes targets

[harsh urchin]

I'm a little confused because the original point is that SG is awful due to the mechanics of the skill; that it forces finesse synergy, it doesn't tick cooldown until it ends, and it isn't affected by certain CDR sources

so what's the point of bringing up DD?

[limber silo]

It prioritizes ranged elites, then melee elites, then ranged basics, then melee basics

[zenith vessel]

good to know

[limber silo]

It does not active on trash

It does not activate on anything that is not human shaped

[limber silo]

Because Rick is talking aboutnit

[hexed geyser]

And what's the rest of the tree, if you have a screenshot or smt? I haven't touched gunker yet so i don't really know the important talents for it.

[cold geode]

@misty cypress So now that I've had some sleep. I think what my brain was trying to convey was that psykers don't have access to the mk2 braced. Which is what I use on other characters, but the Garia was the closest I could get to it in ammo efficacy and power.

[limber silo]

actually DD does not apply to specialists at all

[harsh urchin]

TLDR there's 2 builds I'd recommend:

1. Assail EP with a revolver
2. Assail DD with colum/vraks3/laspistol
   the first is more of an assail build, the second is a gunker build that builds off true aim

I think not using assail fucks your ammo economy a lot, and it's hard to sustain without a vet, so I generally dont recommend builds that don't QP well.

[spice veldt]

these are the enemies with psyker_mark_target set to true

[hexed geyser]

Well i'll build both if i can save my weapons from hadron

[limber silo]

I personally recommend using Smite or BB because you can't get psykinetics aura with assail

It does use a couple more points tho

[harsh urchin]

ye the problem with smite/bb is that if you matchmake into a game without a vet

now it's just gonna be suffering

[limber silo]

Do you not know how to just conserve ammo my guy???

[hexed geyser]

Probably, maybe, let's not start that debate again please

[radiant frigate]

strange discussion

[limber silo]

Maybe if you didn't shoot every single thing in existence you would have some ammo economy

[elder glade]

Very strange

[harsh urchin]

of course I do, that's why I use assail T_T

[hexed geyser]

And i will probably just swing my sword most of the time because that's what i like anyway

[radiant frigate]

based

[limber silo]

Just learn how to melee

Pluton has the right idea

[elder glade]

Dueling sword is the best stick

[limber silo]

Use cover to force ranged enemies to come in melee

[radiant frigate]

best stick with an asterisk

[hexed geyser]

Thammer is the best stick, i wish we had force hammers lmao

[zenith vessel]

Hold up, I jumped in because DD was being talked about

[limber silo]

Believe it or not, you can use the terrain to help you play the game

[elder glade]

That would be funny

[zenith vessel]

I saw someone mention something about it so popped in, I didn't bring it up 😭

[radiant frigate]

or use legs to bring melee to ranged enemies

[limber silo]

True

[elder glade]

Psyker's legs go brrrt

[limber silo]

You know what's good at that? SCRIER'S GAZE

[harsh urchin]

Yeah I think maybe we just play the game differently

[tired estuary]

or I could use 1 assail rmb to kill the blue guy that's 50ft away sometimes and behind cover and quickswap towards getting on with my life

[limber silo]

Dis mentioned that without Assail you can't maintain DD well which is bogus

[spice veldt]

venting shriek DD enjoyers shrieking through a wall to refresh stacks

[radiant frigate]

this is what most discussions end up with