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#psyker-class
empty shuttle
I tried restarting the game and reconnecting directly into the fight- still crashing
spice veldt
oh damn that quick
urban sandal
it's very effective at taking out shooters/gunners, specialists and dreg ragers assuming they aren't swarming so if your team is having trouble dealing with a bunch of dug in ranged enemies or flamers etc then assail can be very useful even in HISTG
empty shuttle
Telling you, it has to do with DD specifically and mods
urban sandal
especially since shooters stagger more than they should in current patch and because of the revolver/plasma meta no one is killing them so they become a constant toughness drain, assail can make quick work of them
low cedar
should i get crucian and hand cannon on here, or should i just get crucian and swap the 8% perk out
for gun psyker
urban sandal
for zarona you generally want surgical rather than crucian
low cedar
oh ok
so i guess the question is do i double change blessing or just pick one blessing and change perk
urban sandal
depends how you plan on playing it, and if you think you'll take advantage of point blank or not. Personally I'd swap point blank for surgical and 8% for flak
low cedar
i guess the original thought was to use it for assail and just leave it unloaded
most of the time at least
and get crucian buff for assail shards
idk if it works like that tho lol
urban sandal
doesn't work like that since the assail shard will come out purple when it's going to crit
so you can't just send them out and swap back to the revolver for the crit chance
potent echo
Yea, but you do get trickshooter and handcannon (I think)
low cedar
after a google it was a thing but it was a bug and got patched out
looks like ill be goin surgical
potent echo
Surgical is really good, the difference between 1 or 2 shot is a big deal for revolver
tidal scaffold
correct me if im wrong but the assail shards target whatever your cursor is on not random targets after they hit the first target
blissful pulsar
Trying to make trauma staff for the first time, how should I modify this one?
strong gulch
Trying to make trauma staff for the first time, how should I modify this one?
Sprint to flak
Flurry to nexus
spice veldt
correct me if im wrong but the assail shards target whatever your cursor is on n...
yeah they'll lock onto whatever your cursor is over
tidal scaffold
yeah they'll lock onto whatever your cursor is over
it took me 300+ hours to figure this out
blissful pulsar
Sprint to flak
Flurry to nexus
Thanks
Would Wildfire or Enfeeble be better? I figured wildfire would combo decently with spreading venting shriek stacks during a smite but enfeeble is pretty great to I imagine.
strong gulch
For trauma in general in terms of efficiency and minimizing tools that do similar things, Trauma has so much CC on its own. Smite doesn't really round out your build the way the other blitzs do.
For Blaze trauma specifically, wildfire is decent. Blazing spirit on staves only stacks up to 6 soulblaze stacks, and wildfire helps to maintain or preload those stacks.
blissful pulsar
True, but my vet friend I play with is so insanely good at long range control I never end up casting BB anytime I grab it. Figure having an option for crusher patrols in smite would go further.
strong gulch
Trauma does decent damage to crushers while smite will just CC them. That being said, there's different ways to play with the same tools.
If you play with your vet friend a lot, trauma is great at hordes, CC, and keep your vet safe.
If you stick to the left side of the tree for BB, creeping flames, and warp charges, only whip out the BB as needed. If there is a squirrely special that keeps going behind walls or a sniper in a difficult spot, use BB. Otherwise rely on your other tools.
There is assail + blaze trauma. You miss out on some really good nodes tho. It doesn't lock you into using your trauma as much.
This is my don't think about it too hard just click buttons build with assail + blaze trauma + DS4.
blissful pulsar
Yea I never use assail because then I lose psykinetic's aura which... never feels worth losing t.t
strong gulch
It's a great node. 😭
blissful pulsar
Is what I currently run
strong gulch
FYI, the extra jump doesn't apply to smite RMB.
You might know, but a lot of ppl dont.
wind spruce
FYI, the extra jump doesn't apply to smite RMB.
Has this been proven or is it just a feels thing?
strong gulch
It was proven, I forget by who.
blissful pulsar
FYI, the extra jump doesn't apply to smite RMB.
I heard this, but I also heard it doubles the spread rate?
wind spruce
It definitely doesn't double the spread rate
If you spawn a bunch of shit in the psykhanium it's hard to tell the difference
But the jumping has some randomness to it, so it's difficult to say definitively from such tests
strong gulch
I could be remembering wrong tho. My memory can be.... fecking bad.
wind spruce
Mine too
strong gulch
rip
lethal lagoon
Has this been proven or is it just a feels thing?
The only thing proven is that the debuff doesn't apply to smite RMB
The jump works, I think? But it's not clear as to whether or not it's functionally useful
lethal lagoon
Is what I currently run
The debuff doesn't apply to smite rmb
The jump is a viable option if you are using smite a lot.
This is what I run as a fellow ep smiter 
strong gulch
The jumps are just as scrutable and fartshack's tooltips.
near wyvern
The only thing proven is that the debuff doesn't apply to smite RMB
This is false
near wyvern
Check damage ticks against a crusher with and without it, make sure you don't have warp rider
near wyvern
Single digit number on tick so easier to distinguish
Cause sometime the game combines the ticks sometimes it doesn't
But 10% more laughable DPS is still laughable
Both smite upgrades are very underwhelming
Cause you can just do 2 quick LMB casts and if you need more than that you should RMB anyways
blissful pulsar
Cool, gives me two more points to move around then
near wyvern
Plus with 2 quick ones you can choose the targets
blissful pulsar
Yea jus tested spread thing and definitely doesn't affect spread rate
lethal lagoon
Any idea why the debuff mod doesn't show it for rmb?
near wyvern
Well it's hard to tell but if you don't notice a significant difference it doesn't matter if it works or not, there is no significant difference
near wyvern
Any idea why the debuff mod doesn't show it for rmb?
No idea
blissful pulsar
I pushed enemies into a line and listened to the audio of it spreading
The 'fwoosh' sound had the exact same rhythm no matter if I had perk or not
near wyvern
Not very scientific but as stated, there is no significant difference so even if it worked it should not be used
lethal lagoon
But what if your character name is OnlySmites?
blissful pulsar
Not like FS gives the tools for scientific testing
near wyvern
But what if your character name is OnlySmites?
Pour all talents into soulblaze stuff and actually do something while only smiting
lethal lagoon
That is the plan
blissful pulsar
Only thing I can really think of grabbing with the extra points though is +15 doughness, +5% toughness DR, or 5% movement
hearty oak
Does the push on the force sword do any damage?
strong gulch
My brain replaced this with OnlySmites. Brain infection successful.
blissful pulsar
flat toughness it is
strong gulch
Does the push on the force sword do any damage?
The push no, push attack yes.
hearty oak
The push no, push attack yes.
Always seemed to be a funny push attack. Just blowing a poxburster up in my face cause he felt the sudden wind about to blow him away
blissful pulsar
I heard something about the push attack counting as a weakspot hit for blessings for every enemy hit by it? That true/false?
wind spruce
Toughness DR doesn't stack additively
the nodes stack together additively, but then that total stacks multiplicitively with other sources
blissful pulsar
Never tried since I've used the same sword for so long
near wyvern
Someone stated that it stacks like so:
Damage multiplier = (1 - TDR_a/100) * (1 - TDR_b/100) * (1 - TDR_c/100) ...
Haven't verified the formula but it can be true since there is diminishing returns when you stack enough toughness DR
near wyvern
the nodes stack together additively, but then that total stacks multiplicitively...
Not correct
wind spruce
Not correct
It is correct, I've tested it
strong gulch
I heard something about the push attack counting as a weakspot hit for blessings...
True. You can see orange numbers in the meat grinder.
near wyvern
It is correct, I've tested it
near wyvern
I heard something about the push attack counting as a weakspot hit for blessings...
Force sword push attack counts as a weakspot hit yes. For blessings and for True Aim.
wind spruce
That's not proof
near wyvern
That's not proof
That is not proof yes but all I state in the guide have been tested in game. Which means that can be repeated.
You can go test it yourself
I have poured multiple days worth of work into Atheneum for testing all the stuff. If I would upload every single proof online that would double the time I need for testing which just isn't feasible since I need to work as well.
lethal lagoon
How do you test toughness, low level sniper?
lethal lagoon
I figure it'd be fine at tier 1
near wyvern
Other ranged mobs often do multiple strikes with some hitting and some not
I always do it at Damnation
lethal lagoon
Yeah, knowing fatshark there might be differences 
near wyvern
Well it's clear you cannot trust FS
near wyvern
And by the way, this
near wyvern
Someone stated that it stacks like so:
Damage multiplier = (1 - TDR_a/100) * (1...
Makes sense with this formula
If you count in the UI rounding
Cause 5% is so low stacking only a couple is very near to additive scaling
1 - 0.95 * 0.95 = 0.0975 which is very close to 0.1 a.k.a 10%
So with only two nodes it impossible to tell the tell how it stacks due to UI rounding
Adding a third one 1 - 0.95^3 = 0.143 so within -1% from that 15%, again, impossible to tell from the UI
Even with five nodes 1 - 0.95^5 = 0.226 where as additive would be 0.25
But that's why I listed seems additive in Atheneum because it was not purely additive when testing even with the low nodes for some attacks. But since it is hard to confirm due to UI rounding I will leave it as 'seems to stack additively'
wind spruce
@near wyvern
Reference 1 - https://outplayed.tv/media/BbvVyE
Reference 2 - https://outplayed.tv/media/bQlr2Y
As you can see in video one the poxwalker does 84 damage with 0 TDR. With 25% TDR it then does 62 damage which, with rounding, is closer to the 75% you'd expect from additive scaling compared to the 77.37% you'd expect if it was multiplicitive
In video two the poxwalker does 50 damage with endurance + 25% from nodes. 0.8*0.75=0.6 and 50/84= 0.595
blissful pulsar
lmao
Hab dreyko is not the mission i'd choose to try a new weapon I've never used before
but quick play is a harsh teacher
near wyvern
<@345531303942291457>
Reference 1 - https://outplayed.tv/media/BbvVyE
Referen...
I guess we have enough data then to call it additive since
1 - 0.8 * 0.95^5 = 0.38 where as 1 - 0.8 * ( 1 - 0.05*5) = 0.40 which is exactly the 40% that it seemed to be as well.
That is, the DR nodes are additive but stacking multiplicatively with other sources
wind spruce
Yep, and you'd also expect the poxwalker to hit me for 65 damage if the nodes were multiplicitive, as this:
near wyvern
Yep, and you'd also expect the poxwalker to hit me for 65 damage if the nodes we...
UI rounds always down so no
near wyvern
Well the two extreme cases are 63/84 and 62/85 since the UI rounds down and that gives us interval of [0.73, 0.75]
Which would say 0.77 is definitely not the case
wind spruce
Exactly, so it MUST be additive just from that
near wyvern
Yeah
dusk sierra
untold spindle
That is, the DR nodes are additive but stacking multiplicatively with other sour...
isn't that p well known?
safe meteor
Hello fellow psykers, how goes the psykering?
sullen rapids
does toughness regen speed buff the peril related toughness stuff
lethal lagoon
I personally still think it's worth depending on how much time you spend in coherency and your build.
sullen rapids
does toughness regen speed buff the peril related toughness stuff
what does it affect? just coherency?
sullen rapids
sounds like dogshit ill stick to cdr/stam on my curios then
lethal lagoon
It is just 3 seconds
I'm of the opinion once you have gunner resist, just do whatever you want.
lethal lagoon
Assuming ideal spam and depending on interactions with psykinetic aura and warp charges.
But a lot of times the ability will just be sitting there.
near wyvern
@wind spruce
I checked my testing notes, the UI values are rounded down (you can deal 1 more damage to mob than total health if you sum ticks together, crusher low stack soulblaze damage) but because FS quality I use a slack of 1 in my regression analysis (max error of 1 to any direction between UI label and actual value)
With UI rounding up the interval is 61/84 for low and 62/83 for high so [0.726, 0.747] which technically would say it's more than +25% but that's mostly because some hidden rounding.
When following the rules for my regression analysis we get an interval of 61/85 for low and 63/83 for high [0.718, 0.759] so the conclusion still holds, nodes are additive with themselves.
cosmic sigil
That is, the DR nodes are additive but stacking multiplicatively with other sour...
is it the same with dmg nodes? addivites but stacking multiplicatively with sources like perks., blessings, aura from teamates
leaden mulch
can someone teach me how to use assail on damnation?
I feel like it can barely kill anything, and creating too much peril before making any significant result
plucky flax
But a lot of times the ability will just be sitting there.
Carried 
lethal lagoon
Carried <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
plucky flax
radiant sleet
I found a trauma staff with blazing 3 in my Milk shop, is it time to finally start rolling for a trauma?
radiant sleet
true what am I thinking its probably unviable for heresy RIP
plucky flax
But yes if you don't have it already get blazing spirits 3 unlocked at least.
Just because blaze trauma is so hard to make you need all the help you can.
lethal lagoon
Bubble smite psykers be like
They have ascended beyond us mere mortals.
radiant sleet
I spent all my dockets getting a sick deimos + voidstrike basically godrolls so I do not have it unlocked, but I remember trying for a good trauma one time and deleting 1m+ dockets pretty fast
plucky flax
lethal lagoon
I spent all my dockets getting a sick deimos + voidstrike basically godrolls so ...
🙏
plucky flax
Spoiler: it's impossible.
radiant sleet
just rolled this, quell speed rip but maybe useable?
plucky flax
Mine is as close as it can get but still not 100% god roll.
lethal lagoon
just rolled this, quell speed rip but maybe useable?
plucky flax
Yeah pretty good. Change maniac to flak.
Low quell speed you might have to quell for 3 ticks from 100%.
radiant sleet
okay sweet well time to farm out the last milk mission and grab blz thanks for the advice I will swap maniac to flak
plucky flax
Prepare to flick
radiant sleet
I already destroyed my wrist from voidstrike/assail quell cancelling and such I am ready for this moment
plucky flax
Take it to scab melee only. If you're half way decent it's easy 1m+ damage.
radiant sleet
okay I will give that a shot. Have not played with trauma much other than on a hardcore character that is currently level 10 so I might have to warm up a bit with it
rocky raven
that quells gonna be rough ouch just saw the roll dang
radiant sleet
yeah quell speed is pretty bricked but I can also quell on deimos a bit maybe
is deimos or assail faster quelling?
rocky raven
def not deimos, p sure it has the force swd quell debuff
59 may be just enough to stay net positive or 0 tho
spice veldt
both are prob the same
rocky raven
would have to check the mult inspect on staff
spice veldt
50% is usually the default for weapons that don't have that stat modifier
untold niche
can someone teach me how to use assail on damnation?
I feel like it can barely k...
Get ready for high apm gunker
swap to your melee after you shoot your assail to pro buffs
Then swap to your gun when assail is out
rocky raven
sail needs to be weaved ya
untold niche
I already destroyed my wrist from voidstrike/assail quell cancelling and such I ...
That's why I put my reload on spacebar and jump on R
Coop game, no need for you to jump sideways or even backwards
rocky raven
^ remap quell for psyk to something easier 100%. mouse thumb for me
graceful ruin
Hi, I am doing a psyker penance called Malleus ''Monstronum'', and it said in the penance I needed a dedicated strike team to complete it. I'm kind of new to this Discord server, so I don't know how to inv or where to inv and what to say. 
near wyvern
is it the same with dmg nodes? addivites but stacking multiplicatively with sour...
hard to tell cause we have so few but in general, power, vs_armour perk and rending bonus stack multiplicatively with each others and then a third category which includes all other buffs (which stack additively with each other)
rocky raven
Hi, I am doing a psyker penance called Malleus ''Monstronum'', and it said in th...
can usually find peeps in the vox lfg, will want a shield ogryn that knows how to tank a DH
flint aspen
speaking of monstronum penance, do weakened monstrosities also count in it?
rocky raven
easy method is Daemonhost w/ogryn tanking
graceful ruin
can usually find peeps in the vox lfg, will want a shield ogryn that knows how t...
thanks
flint aspen
and brain burst for the monstrosity, yes?
that or surge idk those two are my main primary damage dealers against monstrosities
rocky raven
must be only brain burst dmg
flint aspen
I feel useless in monstrosity fights if I don't have brain burst or surge, at best I can only do force sword spam
hearty oak
It's better than nothing. Sometimes letting the 3 teammates do the boss while you kill the horde is in on itself an important role.
rocky raven
theres many better boss dps options than bb; penance just specifically reqs it
rocky raven
It's better than nothing. Sometimes letting the 3 teammates do the boss while yo...
^this is true as well
foggy condor
hey guys, im new to psy, which staff is better here.. not familiar with dump stats and prios on the staffs
rocky raven
ehh.. neither would work well for blaze trauma, but could make a rending trauma prob
radiant frigate
theres many better boss dps options than bb; penance just specifically reqs it
many?
cosmic sigil
hard to tell cause we have so few but in general, power, vs_armour perk and rend...
God. I would like to see proper documentation.
foggy condor
ehh.. neither would work well for blaze trauma, but could make a rending trauma ...
is the dumpstat warp res or radius
rocky raven
is the dumpstat warp res or radius
res
radiant frigate
is the dumpstat warp res or radius
radius and charge rate most important to my understanding
spice veldt
yep
rocky raven
trauma is tough to roll ya, always want rad/cr due to the atk and slow rate fr sure
either way may as well lv the 379 to farm blessings worst case
foggy condor
even with only a .85 increase in radius?
rocky raven
thats about 11% over base radius still so ya
trauma is entirel about wide aoe coverage. need the A-
foggy condor
gotcha, well i just rolled a 1% warp resistance after asking lol
foggy condor
rocky raven
level. that. shit.
foggy condor
preciate the help, gonna farm some plasteel and ill let you now how it goes
foggy condor
radius and charge rate most important to my understanding
thank you aswell
rocky raven
what are you aiming for? blaze trauma?
rocky raven
blaze be tough, really want 80/80/80 across the big 3 + good quell speed
one fo the first 2could def make for a decent rending trauma tho for sure
flint aspen
what does warp resist even do
foggy condor
ill look that up and see about it
rocky raven
what does warp resist even do
rate at which actions build peril/s and base peril per action
flint aspen
also an important stat, yes?
rocky raven
wRes tends to not be a huge stat variance esp compared to quell spd
flint aspen
or just dump
rocky raven
less critical than the others
more than offset with high quellspd when you can lower the ticks from 100 to quell back
flint aspen
so what's the most important stats for staffs
rocky raven
so what's the most important stats for staffs
depends on the staff
i.e. purg doesnt care abt dmg, but burn/cloud nearly max/max are critical
flint aspen
and Surge prioritizes damage a lot?
urban sandal
yeah
in general damage and charge rate should be maxed on all staves but the exceptions are purg and blaze trauma which you don't need damage for
obviously helps but it's not important
wind spruce
<@319370581185265676>
I checked my testing notes, the UI values are rounded do...
The hidden rounding/round errors are possibly because the actual toughness isn't 200:
urban sandal
went down before the first event in chasm logistratum so I'm hangin for the medicae down in the train tunnels with 1 wound, other psyker with us goes down on the stairs heading down, then rushes and takes the 1 charge then proceeds to get killed by shooters and then blows himself up and rage quits 
half iron
canon
flint aspen
anyway I got this as a mission reward, bricked or not
plucky flax
Yes
vestal fulcrum
anyway I got this as a mission reward, bricked or not
These perks and blessings are less than desirable
flint aspen
thank you big E
upper sun
anything is better than the void staff of running
upper sun
i got surgical 4 surge and cleave 4 all from melk
flint aspen
hey look, a warp nexus
upper sun
he can be a real one some times
flint aspen
and a rending shockwave?
the Devil's Claw sword looks promising
any of these usable?
flint aspen
I'll just snatch a blessing for one of these then?
vestal fulcrum
If you are desperate to have Lv3 blessings of these types, sure, but they are not Lv4 
Or don’t particularly care about having Lv4 blessings, then sure, I’d just look for bigger fish to fry
quartz barn
The 439 void can be ok i guess? You'll need to get t4 surge so you can change pox dmg and up t3 nexus
Even then its base is only 344
paper loom
Does anyone know if the auto pistol blessing "pinning fire" works along with the stagger from venting shriek?
wet belfry
Does anyone know if the auto pistol blessing "pinning fire" works along with the...
It does
wet belfry
The SMG is a maniac specialized weapon.
paper loom
I only ask as I'm yet to find pining fire
wet belfry
Its currently for most part outdone by colomnus infantry autogun
proven crest
hollow current
i luff laspistol
willow hazel
I only ask as I'm yet to find pining fire
stacking pinning fire isn't the issue with autopistol
long wharf
well, not any more, anyways
ornate hamlet
oh look, a mission reward autopistol
Damn bro that’s ass u should give it to me
subtle igloo
flint aspen
I never liked the shredder autopistol anyway
What if you set your Psyker curios as
"welp all toughness" curios
plucky flax
Good luck against poxbursters and grims.
flint aspen
I will destroy every since grimoire I find
grizzled iris
Alright fckers, today I'm going to play some games and I don't wanna see anymore of this BULLSHIT SMITE ONLY GAMEPLAY IN MY LOBBIES TODAY! I played 4 games yday after work and in 3 of them I had smite psykers doing nothing but spamming SMITE Knock it off!
opaque charm
How good is a crit focused lightning staff?
Like how many full charges to kill a crusher if it crits?
hushed heart
GO AHEAD
KICK ME
IT WON'T UN-EXPLODE YOUR GRIMOIRE
opaque charm
Lol they only need to get one to screw the run up
While I'm at work growing weaker, idiots with anti-grim curios are in the mission que growing stronger
elder glade
Could be a gun psyker who just picked it for that 1/10 situation where it would actually be useful.
opaque charm
100% a gunpsyker he's even got the crutch gun
long wharf
it's not a "crutch gun"
it's absolutely the best option, by a large margin
what a stupid take.
flint plover
100%
hopped on discord to see people hating on a useful tool and one of the bes guns in the game
weird day
long wharf
some people's children.
queen fog
The beauty and curse of a functioning brain, it doesn’t know when it’s not functioning
long wharf
sometimes
other times, it can absolutely recognize when something isn't working right
it can be hell.
quartz barn
also, why would you even pick anything but smite on gunker
long wharf
because assail lets you deal with hordes without spending ammo
spice veldt
i will die of boredom using smite
long wharf
and?
quartz barn
smite would help with gunner groups i guess?
long wharf
assail would be better
grizzled iris
long wharf
assail will kill them, instead of making them dance funny
grizzled iris
Just look at those revives
prime elk
Assail on gunker helps wipe out shooters without wasting ammo
long wharf
Just look at those revives
congrats
grizzled iris
No not congrats!
quartz barn
you actually want to get revives lol
grizzled iris
No wtf
long wharf
it's one of the few penances I don't have
quartz barn
yes
long wharf
unironically yes
dim parrot
there is a penance for revives? like do that much in a round? or over-all?
quartz barn
also just happens normally when you play ogryn
long wharf
I never keep deathless run weekly contracts
grizzled iris
These are the only penances I don't have
quartz barn
no you need 500 revives / 1000 rescues
long wharf
so I don't mind when teammates go down, because I get to pick them back up
quartz barn
both also give a funny border
grizzled iris
Oh yes, the "Look at me I'm a pro" boarder that was very popular on release and everyone wanted it because it showed how "Skilled" you were, even tho people got it by spamming sedition speed runs with modifiers
long wharf
you're a real fucking ray of sunshine
tame venture
i bought a whole load of staves and this is the only good one i rolled lol
long wharf
I bet you're a hoot at parties
grizzled iris
Ouch my poor poor soul
long wharf
yeah, that about sums it all up, doesn't it
grizzled iris
Even now you think you are superior by attempting to put other people down 😦 Sad
rigid sky
save it for the heretics
elder glade
long wharf
buck up little guy, just because someone says something you don't like, doesn't mean you have to put yourself down like that
long wharf
what kind of heresy is this?
opaque charm
it's not a "crutch gun"
"it's not a crutch gun, it's just the only way I and 90% of gun Psykers can play and please ignore the fact that it's bugged and FS is going to patch it"
long wharf
a heretic attempting to persuade an emperor loving soldier with some sort of chaos cigar?
long wharf
"it's not a crutch gun, it's just the only way I and 90% of gun Psykers can play...
what's bugged with the columnus IAG?
grizzled iris
"it's not a crutch gun, it's just the only way I and 90% of gun Psykers can play...
Wait, how is it bugged?
dim parrot
a heretic attempting to persuade an emperor loving soldier with some sort of cha...
a psyker trying to calm his fellow siblings down
with a special kind of cigar
opaque charm
what's bugged with the columnus IAG?
long wharf
that is no psyker, it's a cultist
tulip kettle
oh THIS shit again
dim parrot
that is no psyker, it's a *cultist*
thats 100% a psyker.
tulip kettle
gtfo out of here
pygex and arco already explained it to you
and you said you dont know what ADM's are
plz gtfo
opaque charm
and you said you dont know what ADM's are
Yes and then later I tested it and we discussed how, compared to other weapons, the stat page of Columnus makes no sense
Cuz it's bugged
tulip kettle
bro
long wharf
that forum post was acknowledged and closed
tulip kettle
weapons have a cleave damage stat in the stats page 🙂
opaque charm
that forum post was acknowledged and closed
Threads close 7 days after the last reply. It was acknowledged as a bug. FS is aware the gun is bugged
It will get fixed
hearty oak
will™️
opaque charm
So enjoy the crutch
long wharf
opaque charm
It will become Shredder Auto-pistol 2.0
long wharf
seriously, using what's currently meta isn't a crutch by any definition
paper loom
He probably using void staff
wet compass
What do you guys prefer vs crushers and maulers surge or void?
spice oar
Which gun is the "crutch"
opaque charm
Cope all you wish, the gun outperforms everything and it's gonna get fixed
paper loom
Allegedly Columnus
hearty oak
We heard your complaints and we figured you guys wanted to see the recon lasgun event again so were just nerfing the stats all acorss the board on the Columns
Thanks fs. very cool!
Watch, they buff the recon lasgun again to actually perform well and it just becomes the top pick again. Just tagging in guns for the month
tulip kettle
the columnus is strong because of crit strings and ADMs, not because of a bug
yes its strong and it may get nerfed
but complaining that the stat screen isnt accurate is just... interesting
long wharf
don't the other IAGs do the same crit strings?
tulip kettle
no
long wharf
oh really
tulip kettle
columnus hits 5 crits per crit
flint plover
what is with people and rampant negativity today
hearty oak
Hell no. Id love the gria to perform as well as the columns
long wharf
I assumed they were all the same
paper loom
Cope all you wish, the gun outperforms everything and it's gonna get fixed
Exactly how is it a crutch? It's not like every psyker is using it , I think it's strong because it works well with crit
long wharf
columnus has lower fire rate than graia, though
opaque charm
columnus has lower fire rate than graia, though
Lol
long wharf
I thought that's what I saw in the screenshots on the forum post
hearty oak
Might have that backwards
paper loom
Nah I have both I prefer the grain because its slower
tulip kettle
no, they bopth have the same "crit time"
paper loom
Graia
opaque charm
Good to see you tried all the IAG before deciding to go with Columnus
long wharf
whoops, I had it backwards
paper loom
Good to see you tried all the IAG before deciding to go with Columnus
I actually have , I have god rolled Columnus and graia I prefer the graia tbh
tulip kettle
i really like the graia too, and depending on the targets its used against it is much better in some situations
hearty oak
Good to see you tried all the IAG before deciding to go with Columnus
Yep! i enjoy the guns in the game so much that it literally does not matter what i use cause i will just perform well. The columns is just nice to use and while the gaia is just the "balanced" variant, its no agri
tulip kettle
but columnus shits out damage vs high hp stuff because its ADM's vs unyielding and crit strings
dim parrot
what is with people and rampant negativity today
shit idk, imma just try to ignore it as good as possible, because my mood rn is fucking good
hearty oak
what is with people and rampant negativity today
skrissues everywhere
tulip kettle
but they do not have the same damage profiles, and you can see this by shooting targets at different ranges
will they nerf the cvolumnus? probably. is it "bugged"? no
paper loom
This is my one , nice ain't it?
tulip kettle
my ogryn shield says it has a cleave damage of 17
why i cant damage 12 pox walkers per string?
must be bug 🙂
hearty oak
This is my one , nice ain't it?
Pretty good minus the weak spot damage
opaque charm
Yeah but "does the same damage but shoots slower" is a pretty bad transition from Columbus to Griaia then you look at the heavy IAG and it "does the same damage but shoots even slower and has even less ammo" someone please explain that to me
rocky raven
why i cant damage 12 pox walkers per string?
pox have a cleve reduction value of 2
tulip kettle
pox have a cleve reduction value of 2
dude. dont.
so why i cant damage 7* per swing then?
plucky flax
Bruh I just wanted 1 no death mission for contract.
tulip kettle
must be bug 🙂
plucky flax
tulip kettle
Bruh I just wanted 1 no death mission for contract.
so dont die 🙂
long wharf
Bruh I just wanted 1 no death mission for contract.
reroll
plucky flax
so dont die 🙂
I don't. :>
tulip kettle
:p
dim parrot
give up sibling
plucky flax
On regular damn and people dropping like flies.
dim parrot
only works when u dont have the contract
plucky flax
I'm like how I'm killing everything and you still die 9 times.
tulip kettle
do a sedition run
paper loom
I always reroll that mission, usually its me that dies lol
tulip kettle
enjoy the scenery
plucky flax
But I need plasteels.
tulip kettle
i mean
youll get a few hundred and finish in 10 mins flat
so not even that inefficient
dim parrot
But I need plasteels.
do a different mission :o
paper loom
I had a Auric run earlier with 3 fucking sprinter zealots , moaning I was being downed constantly
hearty oak
do a sedition run
Much harder than damns
tulip kettle
nah thats heresy and malice youre thinking of
plucky flax
I had a Auric run earlier with 3 fucking sprinter zealots , moaning I was being ...
Gotta run after them 
paper loom
All 3 asshats running off leaving me fight packs of shit
tulip kettle
doesnt most of the community just leave when they see stealth dagger zealot?
i know i do.
dim parrot
depends
long wharf
why should I leave?
paper loom
I think if I get 3 again I will
dim parrot
If there teamplay is still good imma stay
tulip kettle
not worth the loading screen and running to mission start
plucky flax
I am the stealth zealot.
wet belfry
If theres 3 zealots and 1 psyker
tulip kettle
just to see them run past the first 3 groups then stand in the lift
paper loom
Tbh I gun psyker everyone hates us too
wet belfry
Then yes by all means leave the psyker to fend for themselves
silk vigil
I had a Auric run earlier with 3 fucking sprinter zealots , moaning I was being ...
I feel that
tulip kettle
and ping as you all get fucked by every bulwark and crusher in a 2 mile radius
dim parrot
I am the stealth zealot. <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
hello the stealth zealot, I'm asraval
wet belfry
Screw hand holding.
tulip kettle
"hand holding"
player model literally moves 20% faster
aggroes ebemies then drops aggro with invis
"hand holding"
get out.
wet belfry
Theres absoutely zero ways 3 zealots are constantly dropping all aggro.
tulip kettle
haha
spice veldt
you'd be surprised what happens if you get 3 stealth ults in a game
wet belfry
Its not a infiltrate vet with low profile
paper loom
Yea then you face like 6 bulwark and watch as your assail bing harmlessly off meanwhile zealots already at lift
long wharf
unless you brought trauma
paper loom
If ppl didn't have a brain haemorrhage every time they see smite I'd run that
plucky flax
Eeewww trauma bad.
long wharf
then you laugh as nothing can stay on its feet while you kill it
tulip kettle
thats what assail and the DS is for
throw a dart over their head then bring it down
flint plover
Eeewww trauma bad.
yeah that's why i have a therapist
tulip kettle
then stab em in the face
plucky flax
yeah that's why i have a therapist
Tru I should get one too.
long wharf
actually guiding assail shards is the right way to use assail
paper loom
Eeewww trauma bad.
Mate I witnessed a guy clutching bad last night with trauma he survived for 15+ mins facing an endless horde of crushers etc
I was stressed watching it
flint plover
my therapist told me yesterday that I should stop using the trauma staff
tulip kettle
trauma is the only staff that i feel confident to be able to handle myself in any game
long wharf
I just wish FartShack would fix the aiming
tulip kettle
even though its not my favourite
long wharf
it's so aids
paper loom
Staffs are boring sadly
plucky flax
Mate I witnessed a guy clutching bad last night with trauma he survived for 15+ ...
Idk how he does it every time I use trauma I die.
flint plover
I enjoy looking at the ceiling to hit the max distance, tho
plucky flax
long wharf
I enjoy looking at the ceiling to hit the max distance, tho
well, you're weird.
tulip kettle
problem is, what else can they do?
dim parrot
ey ey
dim parrot
nothing against cheese over here!
long wharf
depends on the cheese
tulip kettle
nothing with mould in it
flint plover
fair
paper loom
Stilton is lush though
flint plover
i don't wish to smell of cheddar or camembert
tulip kettle
mould on the outside is fine cos i can cut it off and the squishy middle bit is nice
long wharf
a sharp cheddar is always enjoyable
tulip kettle
a brit approves
flint plover
perhaps a gouda or a nice aged parmesan
long wharf
also good
tulip kettle
youd rather smell like PARMESAN than cheddar?
paper loom
Stilton on a digestive biscuit
tulip kettle
are you INSANE?
long wharf
fromunda, however
dim parrot
love me some blue soft cheese
flint plover
youd rather smell like PARMESAN than cheddar?
parmesoff, then
tulip kettle
blue is just the word they use so they dont have to say mouldy
flint plover
love me some blue soft cheese
blue soft cheese, or soft blue cheese?
opaque charm
Not such a crutch to kill bulwarks:)
Use your Assail to open shield then crutch gun them
dim parrot
blue soft cheese, or soft blue cheese?
there is a difference?
tulip kettle
nobody would eat it if it was called "2 years cave aged mouldy cheese"
paper loom
Use your Assail to open shield then crutch gun them
Mate when I assail bulwark ot just bounces off them
long wharf
nobody would eat it if it was called "2 years cave aged mouldy cheese"
honestly, cheese lovers would still eat it
tulip kettle
Mate when I assail bulwark ot just bounces off them
as i said, throw it over their head
dawn spoke
Mate when I assail bulwark ot just bounces off them
you had to throw the shard over their shield so that it arcs back into their head
tulip kettle
then target them
long wharf
you have to guide the shards
flint plover
there is a difference?
one is a mozzarella painted blue, the other is a tender and sad cheese
long wharf
they maneuver towards whatever you're aiming at
paper loom
Ah il practice that
long wharf
so you throw up over heads, then guide them down
tulip kettle
there is a difference?
as per the rules of enlish
flint plover
so you throw up over heads, then guide them down
sounds like my kinda friday
opaque charm
Mate when I assail bulwark ot just bounces off them
Keep using Columnus to win Damnation Aurics, don't even know how to use Assail
dim parrot
one is a mozzarella painted blue, the other is a tender and sad cheese
the second sounds better so that one
long wharf
sounds like my kinda friday
not surprised at all, cheese lover
paper loom
They heat seal don't they?
paper loom
Keep using Columnus to win Damnation Aurics, don't even know how to use Assail
I use Graia
tulip kettle
blue soft cheese is a soft cheese that has turned blue, soft blue cheese is a blue cheese that has gone soft
dim parrot
I wanna eat some cheese now
flint plover
not surprised at all, *cheese lover*
long wharf
I bought some sourdough bread yesterday to make some grilled cheese sandwiches
opaque charm
Right click Bulwarks, throw shard over head, it stuns/opens shield
dim parrot
gimme some pls
flint plover
you should try baking it if possible, imo it's worth it
long wharf
no, all mine
tulip kettle
i like that in the UK we call them "toasties"
dim parrot
tulip kettle
instead of "grilled cheese"
flint plover
something something chips and biscuits..
paper loom
Right click Bulwarks, throw shard over head, it stuns/opens shield
Ty will give that a go , tbh I usually just blast assail into a horde or snipers
tulip kettle
Ty will give that a go , tbh I usually just blast assail into a horde or snipers
you can also just wait til they swing, dodge left then face stab
dim parrot
blast some cheese into a horde or snipers
long wharf
sometimes I'll get some swiss and pastrami from the deli
and I'll toast that on buttered sourdough
tulip kettle
oooooo yeah rueben for life
paper loom
you can also just wait til they swing, dodge left then face stab
Yea I do that but there was atleast 6 lol
long wharf
pumpernickel is an acceptable alternative
I've got brats and sweet italian sausages thawing right now to fry up for dinner tonight
paper loom
The best cheese combo is brie, streaky bacon and tomato relish or cranberry sauce
dim parrot
oof
long wharf
I got my taste and smell back yesterday
tulip kettle
long wharf
sausages are a celebration of that
dim parrot
im f hungry rn god damn
opaque charm
Ty will give that a go , tbh I usually just blast assail into a horde or snipers
Assail will kill anything but crusher/maulers and reapers effectively (and open Bulwarks)
If you take DD
paper loom
Yea I use DD , the gun destroys crushers/maulers luckily
tulip kettle
and you use it to shoot carapace?
dim parrot
DD = dancing ducks
tulip kettle
youre insane
if you wanna play gunker and shoot the armoured stuff, run a revolver i would recommend
paper loom
I have a awesome revolver too
tulip kettle
but with an IAG you can put +flak on it and shoot everything that isnt a crusher no problem
shoot maulers in the chest if you must shoot them
tulip kettle
but even with + cara the dps is so low vs crushers and mauler headshots
paper loom
If use get max scryers gaze blast them in the head they go down fast enough
tulip kettle
idk dude
using 25 of your 35 to kill one crusher
when there are 6
does not seem good
maybe im underrestimating how much dmg it can do
paper loom
Well you won't kill 6
tulip kettle
i think you wont kill 2 without a reload
paper loom
No
tulip kettle
right, so you can see thats like, awful, right?
paper loom
But you reload and kill the other one while kiting them , how does everyone else deal with them?
tulip kettle
with DS / deimos / revolver / brainburst
paper loom
Yea revolver is awesome you 2 shot with surgical and hand cannon
tulip kettle
depending on how you build
long wharf
or you can use void to stagger them
paper loom
I think ds can stagger them too
tulip kettle
yeah thats why its good
it staggers and kills them very quickly
so even if theres a whole load of em its very fast and safe
paper loom
I have a god rolled mk2 😦
tulip kettle
same with deimos
tulip kettle
or with revolver, you kill 2.5 per reload and dump the shots in seconds
so the overall DPS vs group of them is very fast compared to the IAG's so its its doable
paper loom
I loved revolver I even bought the fancy hat to look sexy using it, I get bored of weapons quickly
tulip kettle
sure
tulip kettle
autopistol?
paper loom
Yea
tulip kettle
i wasnt playing when it was broken good but i guess thats why its trash now
long wharf
yep, it was way too good
paper loom
After using auto gun feels dreadful
long wharf
it was hands down best gun anybody could use on any class
tulip kettle
well its for something very specific now, right?
long wharf
probably, FartShack nerfed both base damage of the autopistol and pinning fire blessing
tulip kettle
and that thing is not relevant to psyker
paper loom
I got a awesome las rifle the other day use a build where you weave 3 assail then switch its hella powerful
long wharf
psyker has too many weapon choices as it is
I really think most guns need to be removed from psyker weapon pool
paper loom
Awww
tulip kettle
meanwhile, me wishing psykers had access to braced iags...
paper loom
I was plasma pistol
long wharf
if it were up to me, the psyker wouldn't have any weapon that was two handed
paper loom
Want
long wharf
so that the psyker could quell with any weapon
tulip kettle
if it were up to me, the psyker wouldn't have any weapon that was two handed
i actually think this is great
very thematic and good game balancing too
paper loom
Dual wield bolt pistols? I hear you
long wharf
Dual wield bolt pistols? I hear you
veterans would lose their minds
tulip kettle
but then how will you facepalm people
i guess youll pistolwhip em instead
i like laspistols on zealot just for the pushing stuff in the face
hearty oak
I really think most guns need to be removed from psyker weapon pool
Yeah just remove all staffs. Don't need that magical bullshit
long wharf
... we don't two-hand the staves
paper loom
Space wands?
long wharf
well, except for the bullshit special poke, which should also be replaced
quasi shell
I really think most guns need to be removed from psyker weapon pool
If you remove most of the guns then the only thing left will be staves
Which there are like, 4 of iirc
long wharf
laspistols and revolvers
quasi shell
laspistols and revolvers
Those are most certainly guns
long wharf
like I said
quasi shell
Do you mean two handed guns only?
long wharf
for sake of psyker being different and being able to quell at all times, one-handed weapons only
quasi shell
for sake of psyker being different and being able to quell at all times, one-han...
It's just a bad idea in general though
long wharf
it really isn't
quasi shell
Doing that pretty much MURDERS gunker as a build
long wharf
just goes against what FartShack has done with psyker up to now
quasi shell
And it cuts the build vairety in about half
long wharf
frankly, I'm fine with that
quasi shell
For basically no benefit
long wharf
a psyker running around with a gun, not ever caring about quelling peril, is really just an alternate veteran
quasi shell
Gun psyker is most fun playstyle
True
quasi shell
a psyker running around with a gun, not ever caring about quelling peril, is rea...
pro tip: gunker without the blitz on right (can't remember the name) is pretty mid
And guess what it does,
build peril
To 100%
long wharf
I also would remove stealth ability from either vet or zealot
paper loom
Scyers gaze
quasi shell
I also would remove stealth ability from either vet or zealot
Agree for vet disagree for zealot
Rat zealot is an insanely fun playstyle
paper loom
Give ogryn stealth
long wharf
yes, I know all about Scrier's Gaze, it was put in specifically to enable gun psyker gameplay
quasi shell
And it's not even troll
opaque charm
right, so you can see thats like, awful, right?
If you use Scriers Gaze with the finess buff and DD and shoot crushers with the Columnus you will see why I call it a crutch gun
quasi shell
yes, I know all about Scrier's Gaze, it was put in specifically to enable gun ps...
Exactly, encouraging build variety
which is good for the game
long wharf
honestly, I'd rather see a different blitz than SG
quasi shell
If you use Scriers Gaze with the finess buff and DD and shoot crushers with the ...
Pretty much my build lol
paper loom
If you use Scriers Gaze with the finess buff and DD and shoot crushers with the ...
Mate I've used columnus honestly it won't destroy crushers that fast
long wharf
make it cause on-hit effects with ranged attacks
quasi shell
Shredding crusher in 2 seconds or less is fun, you should try it
opaque charm
Pretty much 90% of Gunpsyker build because the gun is broken
long wharf
and let players use it with guns or staves
paper loom
Pretty much 90% of Gunpsyker build because the gun is broken
Void way more broken than columnus I think
quasi shell
Void way more broken than columnus I think
Have you tried a well build columnus?
quasi shell
I have one
I'll tell you what to do
paper loom
I do that
long wharf
Void way more broken than columnus I think
this is patently false
paper loom
It kills crushers but not in seconds
quasi shell
It kills crushers but not in seconds
My build is definitely worse than that, I will hop in psykanium rn and kill a crusher in seconds
wet belfry
Scriers gaze doesnt feel like an actual abillty but a keystone.
quasi shell
Scriers gaze doesnt feel like an actual abillty but a keystone.
nah not really
wet belfry
It does nothing but grant buffs.
quasi shell
Cuz keystones are like, passive effects
wet belfry
Its not even like volley fire where it actually marks enemies so that one can see them.
quasi shell
Scrier's is just: "press button, do more damage"
It is a damage boost on a button so
long wharf
I think it's lazy
paper loom
this is patently false
Every Auric I run and its another psyker it's almost always void staff user
long wharf
not on the player, but the game designer
quasi shell
Its not even like volley fire where it actually marks enemies so that one can se...
Scrier's + DD is budget volley fire
tulip kettle
It kills crushers but not in seconds
because its not good at killing crushers even though people are saying it is
wet belfry
I think the main problem with scriers gaze is mostly i dont ever have to ask myself when do i want to activate scrier gaze
Its just to spam it relentessly whenever i can.
It has zero utilitys beyond its buffs.
paper loom
because its not good at killing crushers even though people are saying it is
Yea but nor is s columnus, but void in general is much better than a gun
tulip kettle
erm, i dont really disagree
void is just plasma but even easier to use and with unlimited mag size and ammo
quasi shell
Its just to spam it relentessly whenever i can.
Hallmark of a competitively good ability
Things like zealots dash are the same
quasi shell
void is just plasma but even easier to use and with unlimited mag size and ammo
One of the benefits of staff psyker over gunker is that staff psyker never needs to rely on resources
Infinite resource generation 💯
tulip kettle
you dont need to tell me dude 😄
quasi shell
you dont need to tell me dude 😄
Yeah just pointing it out
static needle
Im gonna run riposte and flesh tearer, and change infested to carapace. Which of these blessings do I upgrade to 4? bleed or riposte? 2,5% crit chance aint nothing, right?
tulip kettle
but to me, scriers is what i press without thinking as im throwing assail darts to blow myself up
paper loom
I never see surge staff in Auric not sure why
tulip kettle
because its not very good honestly.
quasi shell
but to me, scriers is what i press without thinking as im throwing assail darts ...
Exactly why I don't run assail with scrier's
opaque charm
SG + DD + Columnus insane weakspot+ crit damage + crit chains + crits basically rend = dead crusher, very easy to confirm in Psycarium if you have the creature spawner and can build DD stacks
paper loom
The only time I did hard twins was using surge staff
tulip kettle
SG + DD + Columnus insane weakspot+ crit damage + crit chains + crits basically ...
i know how it works, its passable
long wharf
yeah, I wish SG didn't exist
opaque charm
I'm glad I made a gunpsyker without SG
long wharf
it's stupid lazy design
quasi shell
yeah, I wish SG didn't exist
You'd rather have infinitely less build variety we get it
paper loom
I tried it with sg felt like crap
long wharf
You'd rather have infinitely less build variety we get it
just because you lack imagination doesn't mean everyone else does too
paper loom
Without
tulip kettle
surge staff is bad because other staffs and smite exists, IMO
wet belfry
Its boring.
long wharf
instead of SG, imagine an ability that makes you apply soulblaze on ranged attacks at the cost of peril per shot
tulip kettle
i would hate it
paper loom
I like the speed boost from sg lol
long wharf
or can make ranged attacks shock/stun
tulip kettle
that would be better
long wharf
or do other things
wet belfry
Like said SG might aswell be a keystone that only is active for 50% of the game.
tulip kettle
but adding any DoT just means only high RoF guns are valid
long wharf
point is, there are many ways you can use the warp with guns/ranged attacks
tulip kettle
make it so you cant miss
paper loom
I just wish BB made enemies fight each other
long wharf
that'd be neat, but wouldn't work well with the way guns work in Darktide
as they're hitscan
tulip kettle
yeah but they still have a projectile animation
quasi shell
just because you lack imagination doesn't mean everyone else does too
Alright Mr. imaginative genius, what should replace Scrier's?
What amazing ability can you come up with
long wharf
Alright Mr. imaginative genius, what should replace Scrier's?
fucking use your eyes and read, you goddamn negative neanderthal
tulip kettle
like we literally just threw 5 ideas out and started discussing them lol
near drift
Replace scriers with immolate from dark souls 2 where you take a whole bunch of damage over time for a pitiful flame aura that does almost no damage
static needle
Gonna run both these blessings, along with changing infested to carapace. Which one do I make level 4, flesh tearer or riposte?
long wharf
fuck, how about an ability that makes non-assail projectiles/ranged attacks spawn an assail shard?
tulip kettle
Gonna run both these blessings, along with changing infested to carapace. Which ...
i mean, it really wont matter
its just a really weird way to build a dagger
long wharf
or an ability that, when using staff, the primary attack has a chance of causing a minimum charge secondary attack on the enemy hit
quasi shell
fucking use your eyes and read, you goddamn negative neanderthal
Resorting to ad hominem when confronted with an argument, curious 🤔
tulip kettle
lol
long wharf
Resorting to ad hominem when confronted with an argument, curious 🤔
demonstrating zero intelligence, bold strategy
static needle
Resorting to ad hominem when confronted with an argument, curious 🤔
Bro think he's superiorly fancy using latin
quasi shell
demonstrating zero intelligence, bold strategy
Said the one who called me a "goddamn negative neanderthal" instead of repeating your amazing idea
long wharf
why should I repeat myself? scroll the fuck up
quasi shell
Can't re-type a couple words, whose really the neanderthal
tulip kettle
lol
near drift
long wharf
jesus h christ.
quasi shell
why should I repeat myself? scroll the fuck up
It's not hard to repeat things
My god
long wharf
It's not hard to repeat things
it's not hard to pay attention and read either
static needle
long wharf
and nobody owes you any of their time
static needle
Day in the life of discord dwellers
long wharf
if you can't be bothered to follow the conversation, you don't deserve to be pandered to
quasi shell
it's not hard to pay attention and read either
I'm jumping in and out of this chat
tulip kettle
he also used "whose"
quasi shell
Easier for you to repeat it
tulip kettle
which i enjoyed
quasi shell
and nobody owes you any of their time
Yet you willingly give it to me
tulip kettle
imagine the entitlement
long wharf
Easier for you to repeat it
only easier for you, and you don't deserve any more of my time
quasi shell
he also used "whose"
Grammar police on discord btw
tulip kettle
okay anyway, henk, with the dagger
you wont notice much difference from either blessing to T4
quasi shell
only easier for you, and you don't deserve any more of my time
The ego on this one, people have to be deserving of your time
Very valuable time spent on discord
tulip kettle
but by doing this, you will make the dagger kind of not fun or good to use vs trash
static needle
but by doing this, you will make the dagger kind of not fun or good to use vs tr...
Literally uninformed take... But ok xD
tulip kettle
?
static needle
Riposte is amazing
tulip kettle
yes it is
static needle
Then what u suggesting?
wind spruce
Alright Mr. imaginative genius, what should replace Scrier's?
This is an ad hominem. Sarcastically calling someone "Mr imaginative genius" implies the opposite.
quasi shell
Bro think he's superiorly fancy using latin
Actually didn't know the phrase is Latin but apparently it is
Thanks
tulip kettle
does your dagger 1 hit pox if you miss the weakspot?
quasi shell
This is an ad hominem. Sarcastically calling someone "Mr imaginative genius" imp...
Not as direct or egregious as what he said
static needle
How would it not be absolutely amazing against trash? Scriers + riposte will make it crit most of the time
wet belfry
Then what u suggesting?
wind spruce
Resorting to ad hominem when confronted with an argument, curious 🤔
You didn't present an argument.
static needle
from 7 to 8 is a pretty major increase
👀
quasi shell
You didn't present an argument.
The argument was implied, which is that if he thinks scrier's is bad, he should come up with something better
And if he can't pose a solution to the problem, then he has no say
wind spruce
How would it not be absolutely amazing against trash? Scriers + riposte will mak...
It's not amazing against trash. I've tried it. You end up with hardly any bleeding damage by the end of a game.
wet belfry
Knife sucks against hordes in general.
wind spruce
The trash is just dying from your actual hits
wet belfry
Thats why i usally use staffs with knifes that arent surge.
static needle
Have you tried it with scriers?
wind spruce
Yes lol
tulip kettle
right, i think youre missing the point
if you hit the poxwalker for 180 damage
you need to hit it again to kill it
static needle
The trash is just dying from your actual hits
Only from first target hits, which is the problem. Bleed is artificial cleave
static needle
it wont die fast enough
Doubt. I'll dodge around
wind spruce
Only from first target hits, which is the problem. Bleed is artificial cleave
Did you read what I said about ending up with low bleed damage? I use actual scoreboards to test this
tulip kettle
yeah youre missing the point
static needle
Mayhaps
tulip kettle
say there are 30 pox in front of you
near drift
cringe wait to die from bleed vs chad kill in one hit from ilissi
tulip kettle
and you start spamming lights into them
you will make the one behind te first one bleed
the bleed will tick once
then you will hit again
the bleeding did nothing
wind spruce
The knife doesn't cleave that many targets, by the time you slash back and forth the 2-3 times you need to build stacks they are dead. Fullstop.
Yeah what Dom said
tulip kettle
and you still had to spam the same amount of attacks and did very low bleeding dmg
bleeding is what lets you kill monstrosities and such
on other characters you also get buffs from enemies bleeding
but on psyker it doesnt make too much sense
static needle
Should I run knife 6 then to kill hordes?
tulip kettle
i think its better for that, sure
but knives are really good for mobility, and on certain builds can be good vs crushers/ unyielding stuff
static needle
So like what to run? Precog + riposte?
tulip kettle
if you want it for that its great, if you want to use it to kill trash you want to lean into it
static needle
I'm not gonna run uncanny, it's simply not worth it compared to riposte
wind spruce
Uncanny + riposte
tulip kettle
why compared
next zephyr
Bro think he's superiorly fancy using latin
static needle
But like... Finesse is instant 60% finesse. Uncanny has to be built up and takes you longer to kill the crusher sometimes
wind spruce
It lasts 2s
wind spruce
Precog is for people with brainrot
tulip kettle
precisely
im just saying, you build the knife for killing monsters, killing armour, or killing trash
but not all at once
static needle
but what is that 60% finesse FOR
Dodging crushers to deal instant extra damage, dodging hordes to delete them with one shot headshots
wind spruce
The uptime just isn't there.
Sorry. This cannot be gotten around.
Maybe if you're playing solo lol
spice veldt
it's a high bonus and short uptime
it's a fine blessing
it's just that it's a dodge blessing and rip if you have a smite psyker on your team
static needle
The uptime just isn't there.
Yes it is. You are supposed to dodge almost all the time. If you're not, you're doing something wrong. Plus, the only actual use case for uncanny is against crushers. For everything else it is simply not worth running imo. The damage boost isn't big enough
Am I wrong, or?
static needle
Which you do all the time with knife 🤦♂️
spice veldt
that's not particularly hard with the knife given that it has poopoo stagger so enemies are usually attacking
barring your teammates
tulip kettle
how do i bold and underline someone elses comment
spice veldt
reply to it i guess
tulip kettle
barring your teammates
like this
static needle
how do i bold and underline someone elses comment
Hold shift, choose reply
wind spruce
I do dodge all the time. I've also extensively tested this by watching back recordings of me with precog. The uptime is simply not where it needs to be.
Uncanny gives you a great boost against flak aswell.
tulip kettle
BROS
why did nobody mention they updated the launcher?
and i dont mean showing the skin
they added the zola journals on a page and a link to the reddit and discord on a page?
opaque charm
Mention it now
rotund fable
Uncanny strike 4 and shred 3 is a good blessing set for a mk 4 dueling sword right? (i used both my modifications to change the perks).
rocky raven
Uncanny strike 4 and shred 3 is a good blessing set for a mk 4 dueling sword rig...
Yes
next zephyr
rotund fable
side note, did they buff the mk 4's special-attack...? because I don't remember being able to cancel a crushers overhead swing with a single special.
spice veldt
yeah it was buffed some time ago
i forgor if it got its special before or along with the duelling sword buffs
tulip kettle
so heres something im confused about because im getting conflicting information
does dodging actually give you "iframes" or is it some other way that it avoids damage? and if its iframes, is it not for the whole animation?
spice veldt
against ranged enemies, it's straight up i-frames
tulip kettle
people say dodging gives you "iframes" but you can take damage while dodging so that doesnt seem right
ahh
spice veldt
against melee enemies, the game makes an extra check for how close you are essentially
and the safe distance that you can be from an attack is on a per-attack basis with regards to whether you can spot dodge it or not
violet plinth
Hey guys, what blessings should I try to get on my trauma staff?
spice veldt
for some attacks from enemies like the plogryn, there's some lag compensation in your favor in multiplayer games
if you've ever noticed that fighting a plogryn is harder in the meatgrinder than in real games
tulip kettle
so thats why sometimes you dodge an attack but take damage from another enemy
because you dodge the one attack but a different enemy in a different position swung at you that your dodge didnt move you away from
tulip kettle
right, in which case, that even further supports my argument that 3rd person is very strong
spice veldt
i mean, if anything it's an argument against
tulip kettle
lol how so
spice veldt
cuz you can just spam sideways dodges and be safe 90% of the time
spice veldt
if you hear the sound cue, just dodge sideways
that's just a bad situation all around though isn't it
if you're surrounded or you no longer have space to be safe
tulip kettle
yeah thats the most frequent way i take damage that im not expectinbg
spice veldt
i just spam dodges
spice veldt
yup
tulip kettle
with 3rd person i can
marble crater
Hey guys, what blessings should I try to get on my trauma staff?
You have two choices Warp Flurry and Rending Shockwave, or Warp Nexus and Blazing Spirit, depends on what you want to do, debuff more or burn everything 
spice veldt
so just spam them
i also don't think that i've had that hard of a time knowing if an enemy was nearby
tulip kettle
haha
marble crater
You have two choices Warp Flurry and Rending Shockwave, or Warp Nexus and Blazin...
For blaze trauma you need a specific, good, roll though
spice veldt
if it's in active combat, i'm usually on my toes
if i'm wandering into a new area, i'm ready to spam dodge