psyker-class

[tawny jetty]

I'd still be happy with those numbers

So quell speed is fine to dump, huh?

[feral verge]

Biggest tip I can give is to not set muties, or solitary enemies on fire

Don't be afraid to just melee shit

Save purga for groups

[feral verge]

Absolutely

[tawny jetty]

Appreciate the tips. Looking forward to trying this out. You run creeping shriek, I'm guessing?

[feral verge]

Yeah

[untold niche]

woah 1 mil damage

[hushed egret]

wholeheartedly disagree

it isnt a single target machine, but it deals way more damage than it has any right to against even maulers

[hollow spruce]

Anyone knows which psyker helmet skins change the voice?

[hushed egret]

you flame a horde, and regardless of what's in there, that horde is gone

and it isnt moving either cause flinch and suppression go brrrr

[austere crest]

Its the one with wings, but the dark one that lights up in the eyes.

[paper loom]

this any good?

[hollow spruce]

Sorry, just can't find that one.

[austere crest]

Grabbing pic/name for ye one sec

[prime elk]

this looks bricked unfortunately

[austere crest]

sorry forgot to hit reply

[hollow spruce]

Thanks, but Hallowette, just doesn't have this one on my end.

[austere crest]

Agh it may be out of rotation for a bit

[static needle]

Jesus christ, god emperor...... Psykers who only smite in pubs drive me insane. Smiting a trash mob or 1 rager every minute is literally hindering the team and not dealing damage or contributing. makes me not ever wanna touch pubs again

[austere crest]

I feel llike when they update Hallowette, it should be a front page of new skin, and a rotated second page, sucks to miss stuff.

[austere crest]

It's rough out there, alot of times that will get them caught by something else too.

[hollow spruce]

Okay I think I get what's going on, thanks for the help! I just do wonder if some other skin changes the voice.

[austere crest]

Some of the rebreathers do a muffled effect, yep, but thats the only modulation one unfortunately

[hollow spruce]

👍

[static needle]

Literally nothing more infuriating than seeing psykers doing this instead of doing literally anything else. I legit wouldnt mind playing with a player with low skill as long as they dont actively hinder themselves and everyone else by constantly smiting. The average psyker player NEEDS to realize that smite is NOT a playstyle, its an occasional tool. period. Sry had to vent.

[austere crest]

You're good, I'm with you sibling.

It hurts my soul if they smite like a single Ogryn, and don't switch to a killing tool once it staggers. I think smite works best for like an initial stagger, then swapping to a killing tool for the damage boost. I tend to just stick with BB though

[elder glade]

The amount of players who only smite has gone up recently. I've been seeing it a lot in Auric and it is somewhat driving me insane

[static needle]

Literally unplayable with pub players who do this. Makes me wanna grief 💀

[austere crest]

I thought about making a video about it thats not overly bashing players OR praising its overuse, but explaining whats happening on the teams end, and how it can be more effective for them and give them more up time.

Bc I think alot of times its a casual or newer player that just hasnt been fully hardened by the war on man yet.

[static needle]

I think Tanner Lindberg has already done that but the average of psyker players don't watch him. They only watch clickbait misinformers like RealAsianRobot who act like smite is a playstyle

[paper loom]

I gave up using it , got shouted at in an Auric when I used it on a massive horde with tons of ragers and crushers . If that's not ideal time to use it when is

[austere crest]

It was informative but harsh, I hate coming out swinging if it's something that's just a learned attribute u know. Tanners video, is alot of repetition, the last 5 minutes is really all the meat of it is.

[static needle]

Constantly smiting doesn't elite kill, it's doesn't deal significant damage. It makes you rely on your teammates since your own incompetence and overreliance on smite makes you incapable of doing these things by yourself. It encourages horrible habits and deludes the player into thinking they are helping just because enemies can't move. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[static needle]

Yeah he's an angry guy, kind of understandably so xD

[austere crest]

I don't think it's so much when, but for how long. It's probably best to stun for a second to reposition or get a revive, and then engage. If it's over like 4-5 seconds, it's probably not needed as much

[static needle]

Huh? Reposition?? You can't move while it's active

[austere crest]

its definitely frustrating. It hurts my souls when trappers come behind and snag them, or they are at max peril and need to hit something else.

[elder glade]

Your back is against the wall and you have no room to retreat.

DPS is king within Darktide thanks to how the director works. Because of how the director is constantly generating tickets you cannot sacrifice any form of DPS to clear a room, if you do then the clear speed gets slower and you'll eventually get smacked with even worse groups.

Smite is good for, as I briefly said, when you legitimately cannot move, when your group cannot maintain DPS because they will get smacked by a crusher and so on (again, like their back is physically against the wall)

[austere crest]

The stagger falls off a little after letting go of it, but if you can move from a corner and kite better it leaves room for a staff or gun hit.

[austere crest]

yeah

I'm just the weirdo that mains primary fire. Thats the real stagger and dps baby.

[vocal cliff]

Smite psykers after everyone dies because holding smite every nanosecond isn't a free win and are now forced to use their weapons (they don't know how to use them)

[plucky flax]

That's me.

[static needle]

This, this, and this. Wish we could pin this to the channel

[static needle]

🔪

[vocal cliff]

Can't believe I used to be one of those smite psykers

Nowadays I just use BB

[static needle]

There is still time to repent

[vocal cliff]

I use every blitz except smite nowadays

Assail
Brain burst
Columnus

Practically my fav builds

[static needle]

I only have on a voidstrike build since I don't need BB or assail, and because psykinetics aura is amazing

[vocal cliff]

Psykers keystones are my favorite

Even the middle child no one wants to acknowledge

[static needle]

DD is like... The best keystone in the game I think

[vocal cliff]

It's nice

I just don't get people's concerns with psyker's tree

Yeah some aspects of it (mind in motion) suck ass

But I like the flow of it

Except mind in motion

It exists as filler

[hollow jolt]

I wish DD was easier to control

But good regardless

[vocal cliff]

Kinda wish we were able to gain the positives if a teammate kills a marked target

[hollow jolt]

Same

Vet already has the killsteal problem :c

[static needle]

would be kinda cool if they moved psychinetics aura so it would be available for the assail side

Assail is most of the time not good enough to warrant not picking psyk aura

[hollow jolt]

Same

God I love the aura

[static needle]

i guess thats the tradeoff. I do think its good, fun design. You just need to remind yourself not to chase after the targets sometimes

DD is a nice minigame ngl

even tho it can be distracting

with gunpsyker its trivial

since your weapons are hitscan and it takes 0 time to kill the target most of the time

[hollow jolt]

Indeed I was thinking it focus pinged targets but that wouldn't go well lol

[static needle]

Lol

teammates would just steal the kill xD

[austere crest]

It flows amazing even without keystones. My strongest build dropped them altogether and it focuses on the base kit enhancements, its so good.

[austere crest]

I dont know if it still does, but marked targets used to take more damage

[hollow jolt]

Indeed lol

I forget that sometimes

[vocal cliff]

Didn't know that

But I have a feeling ik where that went

[hollow jolt]

Only for vet

[austere crest]

Damn . It was a base Aura for psyker before the skill tree patch.

[hollow jolt]

Na that was +10% elite damage

[austere crest]

Like not a choosable one, it was above the original tree

[hollow jolt]

In fact...it used to not work

Classic Fatshark

[austere crest]

Yeah thats diff, that was a cooldown bonus on elite kill

[hollow jolt]

No

You're misremembering

[austere crest]

wait that was 15% wasnt it

[hollow jolt]

It was just 10% elite damage

It was alright

[austere crest]

omg it happened again

[hollow jolt]

Psykinetic aura got buffed imo

[austere crest]

I mandella affected myself

[hollow jolt]

Its ok that shit was like 3 months ago

And it was buggy as fuck

[proven crest]

Disrupt Destiny also just doesn't work half the time

[untold niche]

i think with psyker you have many high level options but the nuance are pretty set in stone

[hollow jolt]

"Oops just didn't work tee hee "

[proven crest]

as in, you don't get stacks for killing blue guys

literally 50% nonfunctional ability atm

[untold niche]

i see arco saying it too but i never had it happen for me

[hollow jolt]

Indeedd and sometimes DD just procs randomly

[untold niche]

maybe im blessed by my Beloved

[proven crest]

i have no idea how prevalent it is or what triggers it

pygex had a video where he acknowleged the bug's existance, but it only happened to him once for like a 2 minute interval

for me it's generally about 40% of the match

[mental rock]

I thought the bug was that some enemies showed up blue when they actually arent

[proven crest]

i've gotten into the habit of checking my bar after every blue guy kill

there used to be a bug where the dd targets just didn't show up as blue

[untold niche]

ok tbh never is an exaggeration
I think its once every like 10 games for me

usually its more noticeable after 15 stacks where im just tracking the buff time to refresh it

[untold niche]

i think i had that once
I was super confused why there were 2 blue guys

[austere crest]

wait, i wasnt meaning this

[proven crest]

i know that the current bug isn't that problem, because the movement speed buff procs

and you get the toughness proc

just not the stacks

[untold niche]

but yeah, with DD
after 5 minutes you would have 15 stacks that should last you to next elevator / boss / defence area

[proven crest]

you should have 15 stacks within the first minute

unless the ability decides not to work then

[untold niche]

idk sometimes the other three vets are teammates
i realized my typo but the typo is funnier and actually makes sense.

[austere crest]

But I dont see any that are for marked at all, just Kinetic Presence thats it. It really is the mandela affect!

[proven crest]

i guess it would be harder if you don't run assail or gunker

[untold niche]

yeah i run void

[proven crest]

but i'm pretty much assail laspistol only on psykers these days

precision stave when

[untold niche]

just imagine voidstrike as a tungsten RPG

[proven crest]

i'd think i'd enjoy voidstrike cause you do go after heads with it

but i always get super burned out on it after like half a mission

[untold niche]

how come :v

[proven crest]

i think it's the move speed penalty and cc

[untold niche]

void has movespeed penalty?

[proven crest]

even if you don't hit heads you kinda just bowl everything over

sorry, that's the wrong way of putting it

you're slower when you charge up

[untold niche]

just slide and charge

[proven crest]

and you don't need to close the distance

[untold niche]

you could dodge slide

and charge

[proven crest]

why though

[untold niche]

then you arent slower

[hollow jolt]

Ah that one

[untold niche]

ez fix

[hollow jolt]

I assumed you meant the actual aura

[proven crest]

maybe i should try playing void like i play trauma

cause on trauma i just slide into packs of crushers

[untold niche]

if you need help with void i wrote a word wall on it

thats very nicely paragraphed.

[hollow jolt]

Spam blasts at your feet? 😎

[untold niche]

heck every two sentence max was a paragrapgh

[proven crest]

i remember that, link it if you can

[untold niche]

#psyker-class message

[proven crest]

ye

just abuse it to put yourself in the stupidest situations possible

and see if you can make it out

[untold niche]

most of the time i know it can make it out

usually i don't don't facetank bulwarks + something else

if its just 3 bulwarks I facetank if i really have to, teammate usually help out in time

because if an actual threat come, most of the tiem i will VS
and PC adds soulblaze stacks

PC will effectively lower your thresholds once enough stuff die

i mean, don't do stupid shit like only starting to shoot the 6 crusher AFTER you get into melee range

[proven crest]

every time i play vet i get sad that every elite i kill doesn't set things on fire for 3 soulblaze

[tawny pebble]

does Purg depend all that much on a high Damage stat?

[vestal fulcrum]

Not very

[tawny pebble]

given Soulblaze and all

then i believe i'm well chuffed with this one

[vestal fulcrum]

There is a very minuscule speed increase of his quickly the DoT stacks are applied to your target as the modifier increases

But it’s not that relevant to the overall performance

[vestal fulcrum]

This is very, very usable

[tawny pebble]

hadron has blessed me for fucking once

[misty cypress]

low key perfect imo

76% burn minimum is what matters most for damage

[proven crest]

do weapon modifiers have that funny fatshark thing where you're never sure if 76% is actually 76%, or secretly just 75.9%?

[untold niche]

@proven crest im totally guessing, is that people don't like voidstrike because either

1. they only used it while not having the final build
2. they play super safely which kind of defeats the point of having such a high damage weapon

[tawny pebble]

wait, people don't like voidstrike?

[misty cypress]

i dont

[hollow jolt]

Same

[misty cypress]

least favorite staff, but ill use it

[tawny pebble]

i mean, i have a preference for purge and surge just because soft cc makes the feel good juice flow in my brain

[hollow jolt]

Hadron keeps robbing me

[proven crest]

i barely see it

[untold niche]

alot apparently, i stopped playing the game.
but decided to lurk just to help around with voidstrike builds to give back to community

[tawny pebble]

odd, it's all the siblings i get paired with use

[proven crest]

but don't really see many stave psykers anyways

[misty cypress]

I liked it when smite hit weakspots for that 5 weakspot hits= 1 ranged critical talent. Then they fixed smite

[dawn spoke]

voidstrike is just kind of boring imo

[untold niche]

mostly assail + ds4 psykers
trauma a good percent

[dawn spoke]

definitely really strong

[dawn spoke]

if assail+ds4+c5 wasn't so fun people wouldn't play it so much

I will never get tired of melting bosses with columnus+gaze

[untold niche]

the psykers in my region don't even use the gun

[tawny pebble]

i do see a fair few gunskers, but rarely scrier's on them

[misty cypress]

i feel like they need to buff staves. Just gets kindof unsatisfying. Less movement speed penalty for secondary attack use or something

[tawny pebble]

idk why there are so many shriekers that don't use staves, it's mind bending

[proven crest]

staves don't need buffs, they just need either reworks or new ones

[misty cypress]

true

[untold niche]

i would liek for BB to get a rework buff though.

[dawn spoke]

yeah requiring movement speed tech just to keep up with the average team (let alone zealots) is super not great for average psykers

[proven crest]

they're all silly strong

[untold niche]

i mean tbh
the tech isn't hard to do at all

[tawny pebble]

ehhh, surge staff could use some help

at least in the blessing department

[untold niche]

just charge/quell as soon as you slide

theres no timing or whateve

[proven crest]

surge might rely a bit too much on the smite bug interaction

[dawn spoke]

and yet ...

[untold niche]

think its more of a knowledge thing than an execution thing

[proven crest]

i mean, i like the stave slip n slide

[misty cypress]

in general it would be nice to have better blessings. Stuff that alters the way staves work. Like increasing chain on surge or blast radius on voidstrike

[proven crest]

like, the only reason i like trauma is cause you're incentivzed to slip n slide into melee

[untold niche]

i would like to keep it.
its prob the tiniest bit of skill expression i had as a stave psyker

[misty cypress]

that way you don't need to rework them

[proven crest]

also aiming circles is weirdly fun

[patent steeple]

btw, what guns could be good on gunker if I don't have optimal Blessings?

[proven crest]

yes, please don't make staves more brain off

[untold niche]

did arco leave hte server

[proven crest]

that is really not the way

[misty cypress]

columnus or other infantry autoguns, laspistol, shredder auto

[untold niche]

i had a convo with arco where i was suggesting buffs to either implement or encourage skill expression

[proven crest]

laspistol assail is the crack everyone needs to try at least once

[untold niche]

one such thing was

quell + 1 more tick on slide, (not at every interval, so basically just start from quelling 2 ticks)

That arco mentioned could be a mind in motion buff

[misty cypress]

with scriers and/or dd?

[dawn spoke]

what's the use case for the laspistol in that case?

[proven crest]

dd, i prefer vent

scrier's good, just find the damage redundant

and like the damage and cc of shriek

[misty cypress]

i like the movement speed and toughness resistance but id appreciate it if warp siphon worked with it

[proven crest]

throw 1-2 shards to stun things and soften then up, then nail with laspistol headshots

[dawn spoke]

oh right

I always forget you can do the snapshotting thing with guns too

[proven crest]

the crux of the interaction is the near instant draw time for both

[dawn spoke]

I do want to try that, though I was trying to build one of the las rifles for it instead

[proven crest]

honestly hate columnus on psyker just cause it's slower to do that quick swap interaction

[untold niche]

oh so thats why you don't run EP
i see the cookie cutter gunker is EP, you throw assail switch to melee to get the blessing buff on assail

[proven crest]

i have gone from laspistol to that, and it was so miserable lol

[dawn spoke]

just depends on how much you like using ds4

[proven crest]

laspistol is just better and fits with the playstyle smoother

[untold niche]

i haven't see any psyker in my region do this playstyle though

[proven crest]

i actually run illisi

with that combo

[dawn spoke]

but I love the ds4 so very much so assail weaving with it is even better

[proven crest]

makes building up peril for vent way easier

but also just i prefer that weapon to ds4, as fun as ds4 is

[dawn spoke]

how do you deal with muties then? warp-charged illisi heavy?

[proven crest]

yeah

[dawn spoke]

what about crushers?

[proven crest]

it does like 3/4s of their health

[misty cypress]

laspistol

[proven crest]

i 1 shot them quite often

crusher's are also illisi

it has uncanny

[dawn spoke]

ohh an uncanny illisi

I'll have to build another illisi and try that sometime

[proven crest]

generally the play with illisi is special attack, then heavy qq spam

the heavies come out very quickly with that

[untold niche]

so special into qq into heavy?

[proven crest]

or just intermitent special attack spam if you need to play it safe or are trying to reach the crusher/mauler in a patrol or mixed horde

against hordes you just spam special attack until 100% peril

[untold niche]

or you meant heavy qq heavy

[proven crest]

then qq heavy till you're off 100% peril

yeah, repeated h1s

against single crushers you want to dps down it's heavy special, followed by qq heavies

against ragers it's special heavy followed by lights

[untold niche]

i never tried it because i only use illisi against horde, and the light attack does enough.
damn, does that work against zombie horde too? or still too slow

[proven crest]

you have to be able to read the horde well enough to know what's safe to get away with

[dawn spoke]

H1L1 horde clear is already so good I feel like qq spam wouldn't be worth the effort

[proven crest]

and use movement, dodging and pushing to make space

[untold niche]

i mean in the situation where you are surrounded kissing range by zombies

[proven crest]

i special spam in that situation 90% of the time

[untold niche]

special light ?or special heavy

[proven crest]

heavy

but if you're about to get hit you do what you need to do to interupt it

which means sometimes you light

it's a very reactive weapon

that's why i like it

[untold niche]

i tried that but i always get hit lol
special itself takes very long to charge

im just very curiousabout other's experiences
i only ever special when i need toughness

[proven crest]

you really have to pay attention to the horde to use it at it's max potential

arco has videos where he shows off just how much you can get away with

like, it's a weapon where the goal is to be as aggressive as possible

while being able to understand the situation enough to know where the limits are

[untold niche]

ah, i think thats why i experience it so differently
when i do have space, i won't special or even illisi anymore, i just take out my void and facetank 1 hit

[proven crest]

yeah, i play psyker very melee focused

just cause illisi is so fun for me

[untold niche]

i see both arco and agent have good spread of using their melee and ranged options

im on my void 95% of the time

[proven crest]

i think that's why i'm not a fan of it

[vestal fulcrum]

I’m usually at like 80% staff/20% melee

[proven crest]

i like the interplay between weapons

and a lot of the time staves just do everything

[untold niche]

you could do 50/50
arco prob spends more time in melee than in void

[plucky flax]

Special light is gud.

It's very fast and can kill 3 or 4 poxwalkers in 1 hit.

[untold niche]

20% to 1 tap the mutie?

[proven crest]

special lights are also fast enough to stunlock a rager if you put them out quick enough

[vestal fulcrum]

Or 60

[untold niche]

i always force myself to use it but always feel that doing 2 lights was a way better choice

1. being more safe
2. killing equal/more zombies

[vestal fulcrum]

I one-shot mutants on H2 Deimos headshot

[untold niche]

i was saying that your 20% of melee is mainly consisting of 1 tapping muties.
It seems im right tho xD

[vestal fulcrum]

And sometimes mop up some bruisers when I’m expecting I might need to suddenly push-attack something

[vestal fulcrum]

Yeye, I was jesting

[proven crest]

ds4 on trauma exists soely to stun mutants out of their charge

[untold niche]

i always gamble on muties with my void but the beloved never bless me for them

[vestal fulcrum]

But I generally also tend to prefer meleeing Crushers or Maulers

[proven crest]

and occasionally go after a crusher head as it picks itself up off the ground

[plucky flax]

It builds peril too so you can do more damage.

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s easier to stick in 2x H2 to face to kill it*, rather than Surge something 5 times

[untold niche]

damage no matter on zombies anyway :p

threshold same

[plucky flax]

Yeah but what about cleave? It might matter to the 3rd or 4th target.

[untold niche]

isn't surge threshold for crusher like 3 full charge

[plucky flax]

Also it let you creeping flames for 6 stacks.

[proven crest]

a 100% peril illisi with slaughter up will carve through hordes of bruisers

it's not the power sword

[shy crag]

Quick question, I recently leveled up a new Psyker to level 30 and I noticed that I never get offered any max curios in the regular shop, like.. +20/21 HP, +16/17 Toughness, +3 Stamina curios. I know the max 21/17/3 are rare but on my other characters getting 20HP/16Toughness curios are pretty frequent in comparison to the new character. Anyone have any ideas why that might be?

[proven crest]

it's good even when not using special

[vestal fulcrum]

You probably will need to have a lot of power boosts and/or score some crits

[proven crest]

but the special is extremely good

[plucky flax]

I much prefer illisi to power sword.

[vestal fulcrum]

And it’s no fun killing a defenceless target

[proven crest]

and you should try to abuse it as much as possible

[plucky flax]

Deflector and 5 dodges gud.

[proven crest]

power sword is like my least favorite weapon, illisi is my favorite

[vestal fulcrum]

(Not that Deimos won’t throw them to the floor )

[untold niche]

im always at 80
so only part where peril affects damage is when its dropping off after using my melee for sum time

meaning i would have VSed before then
though good point on cleave.
I preferred the safety but should really test special light cleave one day

[proven crest]

there are so many subtlties with illisi

[austere crest]

But.. Combat Blade!

[untold niche]

just bad luck
also you don't need +3 stam

[proven crest]

combat blade is 2nd favorite

[untold niche]

i hate power sword
powersword and plasmagun should be removed from the game :p

[austere crest]

This is true, you need +9 🙂

[proven crest]

my sofie's choice

[spice veldt]

🥺

[untold niche]

arco for how good you are i don't get why you like brain off builds so much

dissapointing

[spice veldt]

it's amazing

[austere crest]

Brain Burst is the best blitz

[spice veldt]

i love abusing meta shit that requires 0 effort to use

[austere crest]

lol

[opaque charm]

BB is terrible imo

[spice veldt]

i do genuinely like the psword for the fact that they have an offensive push-attack that has a good reason to be used, besides their other strengths

[untold niche]

arco if i see you uploading a video where you use meta build for plasmagun + psword i will personally come over to your house and set up cheat engine for you because you might as well just use that anyway

[mental rock]

Me abusing pre-13 auto pistol

[spice veldt]

don't worry, i'll just use the psword

[spice veldt]

i was on that bolter vet grindset

[untold niche]

psword bad enough tho
:(

psword should be nerfed

:p

[spice veldt]

i swapped from psyker back to vet just to play bolter vet for 2 months before the skill tree dropped

[opaque charm]

I wish they fixed auto pistol 😭 look what they did to my boy

[spice veldt]

i'm tempted to run plasmagun with the weapon specialist build i cooked up yesterday

[untold niche]

psword makes the game harder actually because it makes pub vets dumb

[spice veldt]

TRUE

[untold niche]

NO NO NO NO NO NO

[spice veldt]

the hidden debuff -- brainrot

[opaque charm]

Why P Sword when you can BM Reshaad

[spice veldt]

don't worry i'm on BM rashad when i'm zealot

[untold niche]

BM rashad doesn't like 2 hit crusher
or make you unable to dodge dogs

[opaque charm]

I use it on all my human characters

[spice veldt]

my brainrot is spread wide

[plucky flax]

Combat axe on psyker.

[untold niche]

bm rashad also doesn't one hit mutie

[opaque charm]

Imagine thinking meleeing crushers is a good idea 🫨

[spice veldt]

it is a very good idea when the melee can 2-shot them

psword requires less investment to hit BPs and is better against crushers so I like it

though i'm on a melee build so the difference between BM rashad and psword is just crushers

[opaque charm]

Just kill them with range

[spice veldt]

no

melee is faster

since i don't have to reload

[opaque charm]

Enjoy getting overheaded.

[spice veldt]

games since being overheaded is like 7 so far

i'm on a pretty good streak currently

[plucky flax]

Tru it's impossible to dodge crusher.

[vocal cliff]

New enemies that just steal your melee weapon because funny

[spice veldt]

vile

[vocal cliff]

Enjoy fighting that random scab that stole your Rashad

[spice veldt]

contain yourself in zealot chat

[vocal cliff]

I am incontainable

[tawny pebble]

i will say that heavy 2 on deimos is always funny to knock them down with

but that's more incidental than a goal

[untold niche]

if this was added i would dodge pubs with anything under a +200 vet if he is using psword

[spice veldt]

i saw it

[vocal cliff]

Nuh uh

You're gaslighting yourself

[spice veldt]

...

[vocal cliff]

NHEHEGEGEGEHEHEGE

[opaque charm]

Yes it's fun to melee crushers and it's really fun to - oops you got overheated because the Zealot next to you dodge past you and the crusher he was fighting smooshed you

Just kill em at range

[tawny pebble]

oh absolutely

i'll just torch them

[spice veldt]

yeah range is safer but i do like my melee since i get more DPS out

i'm extremely greedy for kills

[marsh badger]

Can I do anything with this? (#1) if I already have this (#2)

[opaque charm]

IDK about that, range damage trends to out damage range

[vocal cliff]

Not really

[opaque charm]

That's why Zealots are usually last place in damage

[untold niche]

YO DATS PRETTYGOOD
Changed stamina to cara or maniac your choice.
I would do cara

Chang esustained fire to either surge or flurry.
i personally do surge but flurry would feel better.

[spice veldt]

in burst I bet the columnus IAG can outdps a 2-shot psword build, but then you'll have to reload and its sustained will fall behind

i mean it's also just pubs

the overwhelming majority of pubs are so fucking dogshit at melee

[tawny pebble]

quell speed definitely isn't an issue if you have the 30% reduction talent or shriek

but even without it's far from the end of the world

[spice veldt]

i think people put too much brain into melee

without realizing that it's just spamming dodges and starting from there

[proven crest]

if you spam dodges you lose marksman's focus stacks : (

[spice veldt]

so true

[untold niche]

if there is no vet that runs the big boom nade i could pretty easiy top total damage with BM caxe zealot

[spice veldt]

i do spam ADAD and lose my marksman stacks 😔

[proven crest]

the gamer twitch

[opaque charm]

Any reasonably skilled player should top the scoreboard vs pugs, but 90% of the time (from what I've seen) Zealots are doing very very poor damage

Then again that's a lot of knife Zealots, I did run into an axe Zealot who did a lot of damage

[proven crest]

it's unironically because they aren't running throwing knives

[lunar hollow]

the problem here is damage output is a matter of loadout and what the ai director feels like doing more than class selection

[vocal cliff]

Well look who's finally escaped the eternal pit of damnation

[lunar hollow]

if you have a shitty taxe 4 and a graia brauto and you run around struggling to fight poxwalkers the whole game ur not getting much done

[spice veldt]

i spat him out

[vocal cliff]

Why

[spice veldt]

so that i can shlerp him back up

and the cycle begins anew

[vocal cliff]

The life of josho..documented

[lunar hollow]

another really funny one is a knife zealot without uncanny and a ranged weapon that doesn't horde clear

which ive seen a few times

and they just struggle to do anything of note

but u absolutely cannot measure the entirety of a class because there's such a wide disparity in how people build the characters

ur not gonna get any meaningful observations besides "i feel like X"

[paper loom]

someone mentioned this was bricked put ff on it and it seems to work rly well just did a Auric really easy you can just ignore gunners prety much

[vocal cliff]

It's not shite, but it's not great

[paper loom]

i have a awesome clumnus just bored of it

[opaque charm]

If you are bored of Columnus I got the build for you

"This build fucks" a ringing endorsement

[paper loom]

lol

i will have a look:] tbh i wish i could make a good build usign bb with the 15% chance to bb someone but its weak

[proven crest]

a gray iag with good stats would work well

they're just very good weapons

[paper loom]

well yea but im ref to the combo of ff with close kills then immunity from dmg once you kill someone upon close range

its rly nice with a horde and annoying gunners bending you over from range

[opaque charm]

Brain Burst is B-Bad 😭

[paper loom]

lol to be yea i dotn like it

[marsh badger]

I want to like it, but BB feels real bad when you RMB charge it to 95% hit LMB and it restarts

[paper loom]

its kind of fun with gun psyker if you use it just for snipers etc then hose hordes getting the bb proc

[marsh badger]

so then you only LMB charge it and it starts on a poxwalker infront of the gunner instead

[paper loom]

but no where near as good as assail so pointless

[eager token]

BB is tolerable with the ability trait and ES

not the worst thing in the world

if you have a good vet in your team it feels frustrating lmao

[opaque charm]

If they bring back Wrack & Ruin I would BB

[dawn spoke]

BB with kinetic resonance isn't too bad

it's just a last resort is all

if you have any other ranged options you should take another blitz instead tho

[patent steeple]

I myself use BB on my Purgatus build, so I can still have access to the CDR on Elite/Special kill for more domes while having a ranged blitz

[eager token]

yeah i p much only use it on purgatus

[hearty oak]

It's fine for getting the sniper or gunners in the distance. I just wish it had more of a presence than to just being a timer for my teammates to race before I steal the kill right in front of them

[opaque charm]

Gunners/Snipers are easier to kill with Assail

[hearty oak]

distance

[stark carbon]

yay or nay?

[hearty oak]

Shards have some travel time. Bb is just instantly kills them. But it's still snipers or whatever off in the distance so it's whatever. I use bb as a way to get my builds more optimized

[hearty oak]

Nay. Take that unstable tho

[opaque charm]

Yes you can kill a sniper with Assail up to like 70+ meters

[leaden mulch]

useable or trash?

why cant i have all 80 XD

[hearty oak]

I'd still take bb for the big damage on crushers. Depends on what my load out is cause I'll take shards if I'm using something more single target heavy

[opaque charm]

Much better to take that single target heavy weapon. Assail everything but Crushers/Reapers/Maulers and then switch off Assail to kill those things

[hearty oak]

Blazing trauma just handles mostly everything. Don't need shards when everything is burning down. On gunker, I'd use shards

[opaque charm]

Trauma/shards might be pretty good

[hearty oak]

That's too much CC. I try to even out how much single-target to horde control I use

[opal pebble]

What’s the best melee for single target?

[dawn spoke]

duelling sword mk4 or maybe deimos force sword

but definitely one of those two

[opal pebble]

And is the void staff the single target king?

[dawn spoke]

for killing elites and specials, definitely

for killing monstrosities you kinda want a gun lol

[opal pebble]

Ach hate guns. What’s the most wizardy gun?

[dawn spoke]

if you don't want to play with guns you certainly don't have to

[patent steeple]

I have absolutely no idea what blitz to pair with blaze trauma...

[dawn spoke]

brain burst for dealing with faraway targets like gunners would make sense right? since the trauma staff will take care of anything close by

[paper loom]

get a good columnus its awesome

[patent steeple]

hmmm... yeah I guess that works. But now the other issue is whether or not I should take True Aim...?

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[vale violet]

columnus mark V has amazing crit/weakspot multiplier. So going full crit will give you amazing dps

[marble crater]

And sacrifice what in return? Really pushing it with talents points then

[plush oak]

this is some nice crusher damage

[hearty oak]

Voidstrike with surge has some nice boss dps. But a... gun for dealing high boss damage would have to be laspistol with infernus. Unless you want to be an ammo vacuum but have endless crits the the columns would be it

[hearty oak]

ogryn shovel with bm exist: pathetic

[cunning plinth]

question:

assail vs horde
surge staff
bubble shield
warp charges

clown build or nah

surge staff could be void, once i get a good one

[opaque charm]

Assail/lightning staff is pretty good I think.

[near drift]

Assail as your horde killer isn't gonna work for long so make sure you got a horde focused melee like illisi

[opaque charm]

If you take Assail/Venting Shriek with Fire and DD you will have no horde problems

[spice veldt]

it works well enough if you do something like quick swapping to melee and building true aim

[opaque charm]

Then use lightning on things assail doesn't kill well

[haughty star]

I do surge and smite with a deimos

[opaque charm]

Assail + True Strike is pretty broken

[cunning plinth]

i did that, but 1) just really missed the bubble, and the shriek downtime felt bad

• i enjoy rmb assail too much to aimbot snipers

though technically speaking thats not needed once i get my hands on a usable void

[opaque charm]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_q7UiJh85CU&

[cunning plinth]

bubble might be a crutch though

[eager token]

bubble is a crutch but it carries games when your team can’t deal with range

[tulip kettle]

bubble carries nothing lol

[eager token]

blows my mind that you can still be suppressed while in bubble

[opaque charm]

Bubble is a crutch. With + toughness on warp kill + toughness on crit with Assail you don't need bubble at all

[eager token]

when you have idiots who just stare at gunners bubble is good

[tulip kettle]

blows my mind that heresy players think bubble is good? it dies like, immediately in any situation where it should be good

my dude, if theres like, 2 gunners shooting at the bubble, you didnt need the bubble

and if theres 10, the bubble pops in 5 seconds flat

[eager token]

real

[opaque charm]

Disrupt Destiny + Assail = you kill every gunner you see in 10 seconds or less

[tulip kettle]

with the state of gunner pushback and stunlock atm i WISH it worked well

inb4 skill issue

[plush oak]

exactly, psword uses the power of the emperor

[sharp shoal]

Is precog 4 good on deimos

Seems really good

[upper sun]

hey hey hey stop it with this tech nonsense

[plush oak]

Tech? Sounds like heresy to me

Those are holy artefacts imbued with the emperor's will

[upper sun]

maybe he just miss spelled force sword

wait thats you

[plush oak]

Hey i dont make the rules

[upper sun]

YOU MEANT FORCE SWORD RIGHT....

[plush oak]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[upper sun]

i've been playing too much

i spent 10 minutes in this game

i didnt even know what char i had

[plush oak]

Marked a 9 hr game sesh on sunday (rookie numbers ik)

[upper sun]

or when i even picked up the scripture

[plush oak]

Dont listen to the voices sibling

They talk about power, but they are heretical

Be guided by the light

[upper sun]

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[plush oak]

https://tenor.com/view/cease-your-heresy-gif-19891262

[austere crest]

i use it mostly for that and getting at least one on each crusher i see to make squishy for team

[austere crest]

also, primary fire no keystones about same speed

but i guess depend son playstyle too

[dark stag]

Should I bother with this?

[rigid sky]

5 seconds is enough to brain burst most of them if you have the fast-BR-on-ult node

Good combo imo

[spice veldt]

bubble is nice for reasons besides ranged enemies like the bonbon and trappers/flamers

of course, i despise purely defensive ults like it but it has a use in those scenarios as well

[hearty oak]

Don't need no defenses if everything is dead

a good offense is a good offense

[austere crest]

With such warp resistance and charge rate, itll charge quick as hell, You just won't be able to cast as many times/shoot as many times with it. Your best dump stat would be Quell Speed, because you can make up for it in the skill tree.

I'm weird and like staves like that because it makes me feel like I could lose my mind at any moment, and it compliments my playstyle well

[cunning plinth]

idk, the damage reduction "feels" useful, but its propably good to get used to not having it and ripping off the bandaid

[sharp shoal]

I don't use the bubble Myself

I like the venting shriek

Bubble gives toughness regen

Is the only good thing

[upper sun]

ive seen some clutch bubbles but i like being more in the frey

[cunning plinth]

the 5sec reduction afterwards is nice, it "feels" like it buys some time, but it might also be a smite situation where you think you are doing more than you are

[upper sun]

it always feels nice when you jump in blow your entire load and save a teammate with venting and everything else

[mild merlin]

people sleep on brain burst it's so good

[upper sun]

nah i know its good i just dont wanna learn to use it

[austere crest]

😮

but learning is how game make good you

[radiant frigate]

brain burst good

situational but good

like all psyker blitzes

[mild merlin]

smite is way more situational

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[mild merlin]

i use it only 1-2 time per match

[radiant frigate]

brain burst is good reliable boss damage

i use smite 0 times because fuck smite

brain burst is also good when you see an annoying special run off but you can't line up a shot

so you just blow their mind

[mild merlin]

bro you can just brain burst every special while dodging a mixed horde

like a kung fu artist type shit

[spice veldt]

the damage/stagger not being frontloaded will always make me hate it

and not having anything else interesting about it

i do enjoy qq cancelling it but boy do I hate it when I don't have any EP stacks up and miss BPs such as on dreg ragers or a teammate kills the target before my cast finishes

[willow hazel]

assail isn't situational

[radiant frigate]

yes, yes, let me see you assail that mauler wave

[spice veldt]

i'm fine with what the core of brain burst is but it needs some cool shit for me to go back to it

[radiant frigate]

go ahead, do it

[willow hazel]

with uncanny stike? no problem

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/zjpqc5

(patch 13, before the assail nerf)

[radiant frigate]

the fuck

[spice veldt]

DD stacks, uncanny strike stacks, and perks on my duelling sword (+carapace & +elite)

[hollow current]

huh. legotide

[spice veldt]

lego probably has better graphics

[long wharf]

good god, that's how you play?

it looks like a shitty no-texture OpenGL port

[spice veldt]

these are gamer graphics

[radiant frigate]

claytide flashbacks

[quick python]

Darkscape

[radiant frigate]

you would get along nicely with LeftFoot

[long wharf]

well, mind-blowing graphics aside, you can still get assail shards to do that damage

you just aren't spamming them

and you have to focus on maintaining those stacks on your sword

that video is actually a very good example of why macro usage should not be supported by FartShack

[upper sun]

man if i could mod out all the smoke fog and all the blah blah blah SOKEWL effects i would

[austere crest]

is that just everything turned as low as it goes? It looks like plastic, i kinda like it

[spice veldt]

p much

[austere crest]

Wild.

[spice veldt]

i saw a screenshot in the modding server with pure gray textures on everything but i don't know how to get that

[austere crest]

I just upped my graphics card for vr, im so used to it being pretty #darktide-pics-vids message

wow

thats so nuts, its gotta run so cleanly

[spice veldt]

it runs fairly well albeit with some noticeable dips occasionally

i am running it on an ultrathin laptop that has a pretty good gpu but the cpu is lacking and so is the tdp

[stone canyon]

Put in Uncanny on this, what to do with last change?

[prime elk]

Replace infested with flak or maniac and it's pretty much perfect

[eager token]

gimme that

[prime elk]

I'd prob go for flak

[stone canyon]

Guide recommended Shred over Rampage, but figured Rampage is fine too and more consistent?

Yeah took Flak as last

[prime elk]

Unless you can hit mutant breakpoint with maniac

Rampage is totally fine if you plan to use it for horde clear

[austere crest]

makes total sense

[prime elk]

Personally I'd keep rampager and replace infested

[spice veldt]

my gamer setup https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133928123868663828/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_1a6a056c-46bb-40d5-a06c-d77bce4f5a63.png?ex=65c428dc&is=65b1b3dc&hm=af7c6352c7a8af6dbf74123d2ddf9bcb32fed794e24afdff80d2d0da80d3a08e&

[stone canyon]

Yeah went with that

[austere crest]

I usually like shred because it has more consistent damage from the extra crits

duelling sword can hit multiple enemies but more often than not its 1-2

[prime elk]

Idk I've had shred randomly drop stacks for me

Which is annoying

[austere crest]

im super into low damage & high rate of fire/swing over most things tho

[feral verge]

i think shred is the way to go, too

because of synergy with mettle/perfect timing

[austere crest]

shred gonna stack on heavy enemies vs rampage stacking only with horde mostly

[stone canyon]

I dont have even lvl 1 Shred though 😄

[austere crest]

oh whoa

baby psyker

[feral verge]

baby psyker

[stone canyon]

👶 💥

I feel like cynical old timer psyker though when it comes to my Trauma Staff, 30+ crafted, still no lvl 3 Blazing Spirit

6/7 blessings for it, others multiple time

But yes, this counts as baby still i guess?

Butt Mettle makes sense, guess ill have to get Shred for it

Havent ever tried Illisi out either yet

[cold elm]

your graphics settings hurt me

[spice veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[wind spruce]

Why? @spice veldt are you using macros here?

[spice veldt]

prob referring to how quickswapping can be strong and using macros circumvents the APM requirement

[wind spruce]

Yeah

[rotund bolt]

I know the Columbus is so good, but i kinda felt bored running gunker

[wind spruce]

No, you definitely shouldn't take true aim with Trauma.

[manic talon]

any build tips for meele psycher build?

[wind spruce]

Just build standard gunker.

[manic talon]

whats a gunker

[vocal cliff]

Psyker with a gun

[manic talon]

ouh,nah,i usually run the big fireball staff and the knives for hordes/chokepoint stuff and then chainsword meele alot

[austere crest]

I'm inching 30million ordos spent trying to get the roll i want for the surge, I feel your pain

[plucky flax]

What kind of surge staff do you want in particular?

[austere crest]

all 80s with a quell speed dump stat. I can get 380s all the time but always either bad roll, or dump stat in damage/crit, super annoying.

I play almost entirely based on the staff primary fire, so im just being anal about it to be anal about it lol

[plucky flax]

Tru my surge staff is a bit bad too

[austere crest]

I agree

Ive thrown almost that exact one out many times over by now XD

[plucky flax]

I'm deleting mine now and trying again.

[austere crest]

yay I hope you get run n gun and fall in love

[plucky flax]

ty

[upper sun]

I play darktide in chrome

[upper sun]

as a surge staff enthusiast I hate you

brick brick useable :'(((

[austere crest]

u can have some of mine if ud like

That 478 is pretty. Swap flurry for nexus and maniac for ranged crit damage 😉

[upper sun]

crits are random thus a sign of chaos influence

[austere crest]

They're really consistent on primary fire, so compliments run n gun

meanwhile this is beautiful aint it

[upper sun]

lmao

oh no i never primary fire

[austere crest]

best offense in psyker kit

[upper sun]

i just spin around and secondary fire like a mw2 youtuber from 2009

[austere crest]

haha

hell yeah

Sibling! You need not bring a butter churn to battle!

[ornate hamlet]

which head gear gives psyker that cool voiceline sound effect

[austere crest]

this one

[upper sun]

sibling how can you see through the 2 inch metal headbrace?

HE ON TERRA GRANTS ME SIGHT SIBLING

[austere crest]

lol

[ornate hamlet]

cool yeah! Are there others tho? I swer there are

[austere crest]

some of the rebreather masks will do a muffled effect but not modulation

i wish though, i regret not going with a differnt voice

[ornate hamlet]

yeahg same i love the modulation thing I have the vet one with the green head gear and orange eyes. I think ima get more cosmetics rn i just dont know what. stuff in the store seems mid ngl

[austere crest]

I think anything with Orange eyes does neat voice things

bc the version without orange eyes doesnt change voice for me

[upper sun]

I dont wanna change topics but should i replace specialists here or unstable power?

[ornate hamlet]

someone told me the new psyker head gear does the modulation thing. are they wrong?

[wind spruce]

Why did you ask for a build if you don't want a build

[upper sun]

this is a gun

[cold elm]

yes

[austere crest]

this one? I'm not sure let me get it real quick

testing now

yes it does

[manic talon]

well i do,im asking for tips on how to improove it

[ornate hamlet]

ooooo ty for confirming

[upper sun]

bro this looks like a saw headtrap

[rotund bolt]

How do you deal with Ragers and mixed hordes with an Illisi? It feels like a powersword

[spice veldt]

spam special

[upper sun]

IM GLAD YOU ASKED

[opaque charm]

How does it sound? So far nothing sounds as cool as that dumb zelot statue of Liberty helmet

[rotund bolt]

That simple?`sheesh, i should prob play other melee weapons than DS

[opaque charm]

Just shoot ragers

[upper sun]

assail clear push dodge then switch to ranged

[opaque charm]

Don't melee them

[rotund bolt]

Just so used to special stun and H1 headshot them

Also i am looking for a good weapon to team with my surge

[austere crest]

sounds like this

[hazy pendant]

Perks to use on voidstrike staff?

Have one with Warp Nexus 3 and Surge so I just need to change the perks on it

[austere crest]

sorry forgot to hit reply, 2 posts up

[opaque charm]

Ty

[austere crest]

np and yeah it totally looks like its from saw

[untold spindle]

is crit dmg calculated differently from vt2?

if it ain't, i can't really see it doing much good

[harsh urchin]

Yeah it's bad lol

He has no idea what he's talking bout

[lethal lagoon]

Leave the perks, swap both blessings on the 478

Pretty good staff

I'd make the purple on legendary if you aren't too hurt on resouces, There's only like three blessings you can roll, 33% chance of nexus.

[wind spruce]

Crit damage

[lethal lagoon]

Emperor, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.

🙏

[lethal lagoon]

I still remember running a surge with 5% crit and 10% crit damage thinking I got a god roll

[austere crest]

Y'all cute ❤️

Off Meta -No keystones >>

yes

[next zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/kissing-jake-gyllenhaal-jack-twist-heath-ledger-ennis-del-mar-gif-17133697

[hushed egret]

anyone know how the illisi's damage is affected by its special action? does it increase rending against armor or just allow you to cleave through it?

also how much does it even increase damage?

[spice veldt]

it has its own damage profile

there's nothing fancy like rending or whatnot

[hushed egret]

speaking of, does rending as a stat reduce the affect armor has, increase damage against armor, or reduce the armor type?

[spice veldt]

increases damage against the armor

[hushed egret]

cool

[spice veldt]

a weapon has a base damage, and then it has armour damage modifiers that affect the percentage of the base damage that it deals to that armour type

rending% will increase that armour damage modifier number

[hushed egret]

additively?

[spice veldt]

ye

[hushed egret]

cool

[lethal lagoon]

I mean as long as you agree crit damage is off-meta
Also, melee maelstrom scoreboards are pretty much always wild.

[spice veldt]

though it has a reduced effect once you reach/exceed 100% adms

[hushed egret]

makes sense

[kind sequoia]

Is there any voice modulation cosmetic on the shop right now?

[spice veldt]

and confers the bonus at a reduced rate of 1/4ths

so if your attack already deals 100% adm to flak, then +40% rending means that the adm will be 100% + 40% * 1/4 = 110%

[hushed egret]

damage profile like the inspect screen has with the attack breakdown? any idea what it looks like, namely against armor?

[spice veldt]

i forgor if the illisi's special damage profile was changed in patch 13 or not
if it's anything like patch 12, then it has 100% adm against everything except unyielding (175%) and carapace (75%)

i'll check the calc right now

[hushed egret]

so special cares little for armor

[spice veldt]

hmm yeah seems to be unchanged from patch 12

tbf that's just a force sword moment since the normal heavies also have 100% against everything except carapace (65%)

[hushed egret]

yeah

[spice veldt]

this is what the cleave distribution of a special heavy looks like

[hushed egret]

what's the special damage increase? or is it just cleave and some adm alterations?

[spice veldt]

compared to a normal heavy

it also has a different base damage and finesse multipliers

higher base damage but lower finesse multipliers

[hushed egret]

[spice veldt]

so for single target it's better to just use normal heavies (or lights, depending on the armour type) if you can hit the head

[feral knoll]

Dump stat on Surge staff?

I was gonna say quell speed

[lethal lagoon]

Crit bonus to a degree, but you don't wanna run something with 30-40% crit bonus.

[hushed egret]

what are all those rows for? and what is "disgustingly resilient"?

[spice veldt]

o

the rows is the nth target hit

top row is the damage dealt to the first target hit

[hushed egret]

ah oki

[spice veldt]

and so on

[feral knoll]

I have one with decent stats but a 56% crit bonus. Is that decent enough?

[spice veldt]

the columns are bodyshot/weakspot/critical/weakspot critical

[hushed egret]

makes sense

[spice veldt]

disgustingly resilient is the internal name for Infested

armored being Flak

[hushed egret]

is special light any different for damage distribution?

or just the same but less?

[spice veldt]

a bit similar and different

[unique mist]

Warp resistance can also be dump

[hushed egret]

[spice veldt]

the damage to the first target is kind of close, but its damage falloff with each target hit is worse

[unique mist]

Some people say quell speed but surge staff generates peril very fast so its nice to quell quick too

[feral knoll]

Would a staff with everything else nice but a 56% crit boost be bad?

[unique mist]

I wouldn't say so

[hushed egret]

charge rate. the stat doesnt change hardly anything. quell speed second and warp res third if you really want to suffer that

[unique mist]

seems like everyone has a different dump stat

[harsh urchin]

charge rate moves it from .8 to .65 iirc

that's like a 20% difference lmao

[unique mist]

charge rate is v nice

I'd never dump charge

[hushed egret]

except it already charges so fast and the stat has so little impact anyways

[harsh urchin]

i mean it's 20% faster

[unique mist]

"So little impact" 20% charge rate boost

[harsh urchin]

lol

[hushed egret]

20% is small

for a modifier

[unique mist]

what

[harsh urchin]

lololol

if there was a talent point that said

"you do 20% more damage"

[hushed egret]

and for how fast it charges anyway

[harsh urchin]

would you think that's small

[unique mist]

20% more dps

man's perils of the warp is high rn

the voices

[hushed egret]

how about a talent point that thirds your peril gen? sextuples your quell speed? 20% damage increase and procs crit related passives? or just the actual damage stat? they're all better than just 20% more damage

[harsh urchin]

wot

[unique mist]

the whispers have got to him

[wind spruce]

I wouldn't call charge rate the dump stat

[hushed egret]

they're all higher damage increases than the charge rate stat

[wind spruce]

But it's OK of its not maxed out

[unique mist]

All stats are OK if not maxed out

[harsh urchin]

ye i think my staff has like 68% charge rate lmao

[unique mist]

Don't have to chase the perfect 80%

[wind spruce]

Every 10% charge rate on surge is 0.042 seconds

So if you dump it to 50%

That's 0.126 seconds

[hushed egret]

thank you

[wind spruce]

Out of a maximum charge speed of 1.176s

[hushed egret]

better than Void charge stat lol but that isnt saying much

[wind spruce]

So about 10% of total

If you're going to correct someone do it properly, siblings.

[unique mist]

not entirely sure who is arguing what point but dis and I are right and everybody else is wrong

[wind spruce]

Sorry my maths is wrong

It's a max speed of 0.94

[harsh urchin]

to be fair, 20% faster is a different calculation

[hushed egret]

.92 at 80%. looking at one right now

[wind spruce]

So a bit higher than 10%

It's still only 0.042s per 10% though

[hushed egret]

still only a .34 second increase from minimum to current maximum

[harsh urchin]

it's x / (1+y)
where x is the original value, and y is the % increase

[wind spruce]

It's max charge speed (1.26) - stat modifier x range (0.42)

[harsh urchin]

right, but for example with these numbers that you've given

you calculate it like this

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=1.26+%2F+(1%2Bx)+%3D+1.26-.42

so you end up with a 50% faster charge rate

[wind spruce]

If you literally dump it to zero and assume a 100% comparison

[harsh urchin]

going from 1.26 to .84

[wind spruce]

Which is not what the actual conditions were discussing are

[harsh urchin]

correct, that's why I said it's like 20%

[hushed egret]

that's not 50%

[wind spruce]

It is

[harsh urchin]

that's 50% faster

[wind spruce]

Sort of

[hushed egret]

wait you're talking increase not decrease ok

it's a ~30% decrease in charge time but ~50% increase in charge speed

[spice veldt]

this is why we use multiplicative notation to talk about increases/decreases 😔

[wind spruce]

The point I was trying to make is that if you have a 370+ surge and you "dump" the charge rate to 60% it's only 10%

[hushed egret]

yeah I'm not crying over .1s of charge time when the alternatives are more damage, more damage but rng, more uptime, and less downtime

[wind spruce]

Can you use said notation for us normies

[spice veldt]

uhhhhh if you're talking about the relative increase in speed from going from 1.26 seconds to 0.84 seconds, the multiplicative notation would be saying that it's "1.5x" faster

[harsh urchin]

considering you add .1s every time you use the weapon, that does add up to be a lot of charging

[spice veldt]

instead of saying that it's "+50%" faster

[wind spruce]

Right, thanks

[spice veldt]

just a matter of notation but i like the multiplicative notation more

[unique mist]

Mathematically explaining why charge time isn't a dump stat instead of intuitively realising why charge time isn't a dump stat

Doesn't get better than this

[wind spruce]

That makes sense

[spice veldt]

and also because people like to leave out the plus sign

[wind spruce]

To be fair only the maths on the relative damage at different charge amounts can truly answer the question

There is nothing intuitive about that

[unique mist]

Charge time is a direct dps increase so

[wind spruce]

Direct is meaningless

How much

[unique mist]

direct is not meaningless

Its the same amount

[wind spruce]

Lmao

[unique mist]

Actually no

[hushed egret]

considering you add +200 damage/+20% crit chance and crit mod/+~30% uptime/-~200% downtime every time you use the weapon, it adds up to be a lot

[wind spruce]

Do you mean linear

[unique mist]

Actually yes it is

[wind spruce]

Direct doesn't equate to an amount

[unique mist]

20% faster charge time = 20% dps increase

[harsh urchin]

you do you lol

[wind spruce]

You've ignored what i said

[unique mist]

direct means it increases by the same amount

[wind spruce]

The relative damage at different charge states

[harsh urchin]

I'd tell you why you're wrong, but you're prob not interested in the explanation

[wind spruce]

People don't fully charge surge all the time

[unique mist]

ok

so

[harsh urchin]

not fully charging it still technically benefits from faster charge

[unique mist]

at all charge levels its 20% faster

[hushed egret]

onky if you full charge, which not only isnt always the case but also ignores peril generation

[unique mist]

incorrect

[wind spruce]

The scenario would be same time spent charging

[unique mist]

20% faster charge time will mean you charge at all levels 20% faster so

[austere crest]

this is built for maining primary fire/runngun

[unique mist]

i love arguing with strangers on the internet

[wind spruce]

Me too

[unique mist]

My favourite past time

[hushed egret]

no, non-full charge still has the same dps increase sure, but the peril generation per time spent charging increases thus lowering dps

[wind spruce]

I'm happy to be wrong but your statements haven't actually proven that yet

[austere crest]

link to build if anyone would wanna try https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9acc8598-e45b-4dcc-8014-728ff2ccd56a/auric-speed-psyker-ft-run-n-gun?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[lethal lagoon]

The math is just bad on crit damage, it's not really something to argue or talk about playstyles.

[unique mist]

who cares

I'm right, you're wrong

End of story

[wind spruce]

Lmao

[austere crest]

lol

[wind spruce]

I like to learn

You have to start with contention, even if manufactured, to do that

[harsh urchin]

TLDR, if i walk 20% faster than you, it doesn't matter how far we're walking, 10 ft or 1 mile; I'll still get there faster

does that make sense?

lol

[wind spruce]

Yes

[harsh urchin]

ok now we extrapolate

[hushed egret]

you've conveniently ignored several factors

[wind spruce]

But that's not the situation lmao

Does a 50% charge do 50% damage?

[harsh urchin]

the damage it does I'm like 95% sure is based on the charge level not the time spent charging

[harsh urchin]

no, but it's a 20% increase on ALL charge levels

it's literally like

[lethal lagoon]

crit damage only affects the difference between the crit and the normal hit, so it's already decreased signifcantly.
It's also additive with other crit damage, which surge has, decreased again.
And, obviously, you aren't critting every hit, so decreased again.

[harsh urchin]

action speed

in path of exile

[lethal lagoon]

10% crit damage is basically nothing at the end of it.

[harsh urchin]

shit idk how to explain it cuz it's so obvious to me lol

[hushed egret]

not sure what the difference you're looking for here is but you completely ignored my arguement

[lethal lagoon]

Faster charge spd is less peril spent too, no?

[harsh urchin]

yes

atlas is right lol

[spice veldt]

only in the case of warp flurry

unless surge is different than the other staffs in this regard

[hushed egret]

you think it's obvious because you're ignoring the several factors charge rate affects, and sacrificing other stats also affects

[austere crest]

It's almost every other hit on run and gun with surge, it made a difference in overall breakpoints for sure, well tested XD

[hushed egret]

no

same peril generation, less time spent to generate it

[wind spruce]

There's also the downtime between casts

[hushed egret]

mhm

[wind spruce]

It's not a simple thing at all.

[austere crest]

this is also not casting at all, and staying at high peril throughout though, if it were for a diff surge build i fully agree

[hushed egret]

the downtime between casts reduces the benefit of charge time by the % of time it takes of your full cast

[wind spruce]

Exactly

[harsh urchin]

it also changes your surge uptime which matters tremendously

[wind spruce]

Only if you fully charge

[hushed egret]

it changes your surge uptime by an insignificant amount when compared to the alternative changes you could make

[harsh urchin]

I think on a 1s cast, 0.1s is not insignificant.

let's agree to disagree on this lol

[hushed egret]

it isnt a 20% incrwase because of the downtime between casts alone, that drops it down to at least 15%, probably less

just measuring by feel on that statement tho

[feral knoll]

I mean. Could be either way wrap resist or quell speed from what I’m hearing and thinking. Besides. I like running shriek so quell speed just might not matter

[austere crest]

doing the cast cancel helps significantly

[hushed egret]

I havent heard of it

and sounds annoying to do every second

specially on controller

[austere crest]

just quick swapping between casts

oh fuck, yeah

i think its a muscle memory thing on pc

[hushed egret]

sorry I dont wanna do a qte every second for a 7% damage increase at best

(meant to be more humorous dont take personally)

[austere crest]

i dont think its a damage difference to much as not having the animation between casts

you're good

[hushed egret]

well less animation means more casts so more damage, so I called it damage since that's how we've been translating charge speed most of this time

[austere crest]

i'm a little out of my mind, the voices.. they tell me to do thing

ahh ty for telling i will take foot out of mouth

[hushed egret]

love you

[austere crest]

love you most

[hushed egret]

(yes beloved she really did say that to me)

[austere crest]

XD

[hushed egret]

[hushed egret]

pronouns feature came in clutch for this one

for once

[lethal lagoon]

Assuming a 50% crit rate, 10% ranged crit hit increases your damage by about 2-2.5%

I think that's kind of silly, even on surge, but meh.

You can do whatever, but bricking someone else's gear is kind of mean

[austere crest]

wha

Just sharing what works best for me, i dont think its bricking anything

[lethal lagoon]

Uhh, isn't that what you were doing? Suggesting he brick a flak/maniac staff?
If you wern't then, my bad, conversation is pointless.

[austere crest]

If I do normal surge, it would be different perks.

i think i got confused

and replied incorrectly with suggesting runngun build

[lethal lagoon]

All good.
Btw, have you tried the lord and savior lmb staff:

Imagine seeing this in a lobby

[austere crest]

Its beautiful

DONT DO THAT ^^

[lethal lagoon]

I really wanna know what people think when I just LMB staff the whole game.

[wind spruce]

Love that you haven't even maxed transfer peril

[lethal lagoon]

Also, how the fuck does LMB-only work on melee maelstroms?

Doesn't it just tickle crushers?

[lethal lagoon]

The funny part is I probably have it in my inventory, I was just too lazy.

[austere crest]

I mean you still have secondary and blitz. Just maining primary fire vs melee, its build specific, and I guess off topic

[lethal lagoon]

Why run'n'gun instead of transfer peril?