psyker-class

[half turtle]

i like where it is now

[plucky flax]

Weird that I see way more smite than assail now.

[half turtle]

where you can still spam it but it's more valuable to aim it

[untold niche]

Dude think they look so cool killing three dudes in a hallway just before you ran up to the enemies

[sacred crane]

I personally like the personality of seer rather than the voicelines at time, although some of seer's voicelines are quite humorous such as the ones about telling the zealot he was abused as a child and the ones between the loose cannon

[half turtle]

i really hate running smite

i'm sure it's fine

[untold niche]

Seer is the one that sounds like an African American right.
I think male seer most popular psyker I have heard

[half turtle]

tbf assail is really satisfying to use with all the headshot hitmarkers it gives you

[plucky flax]

Smite is great it makes the game drop a couple of difficulty level.

[sacred crane]

That is the savant

Seer is the guy that yells "No beloved its not a good dog!"

[half turtle]

i did play a game with 2 trauma 2 smite once which was something

[untold niche]

Oh yeah the beloved one. Yeah I'm on female seer.
The amount of times beloved get mentioned got really annoying.

I liked the menu voiceless so I went with her

[half turtle]

i really wish brainburst felt better

[untold niche]

You mean nothing?
I once had a smite main and I genuinely wanted to quit because there was zero challenge

[half turtle]

it's the most satisfying one to actually fire off

but it's the least satisfying one to actually use

[sacred crane]

Honestly, I recommend the male seer voices, especially with the convos he can have which in my opinion, are quite funny at times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYHX0uJDSik

[untold niche]

Shoot standing still + no threat challenge

[untold niche]

Can't change voice or gender I don't think

[sacred crane]

Indeed, so you would have to delete your psyker or at least have an already open operator slot!

[untold niche]

And grind for surge again?

Nahhh

[half turtle]

surge is pretty fun

now that they've fixed most of the weird limb damage bugs

[untold niche]

I mean blessing

They should rename it

My god

[sacred crane]

If you already have it unlocked, all blessings transfer over all characters

[half turtle]

they should add surge to the list of available blessings on the surge staff

[untold niche]

Yes but I have to do hadron run again

[half turtle]

hmm should be easy-ish to recraft one of each weapon you like at least

[untold niche]

Do you run surge surge or void surge or blaze surge

[half turtle]

if you already have the blessings unlocked

[half turtle]

hmm i ran a troll surge trauma staff lmb build a few times

and it was ok

[untold niche]

Took me as long as to get the blessed weapon as the t4 blessing

[sacred crane]

But still in my opinion, male seer is probably the most kind out of all the voices

[half turtle]

i think it was surge nexus tho not surge blaze

i should run surge void but i just don't have fun with it

[plucky flax]

Blitz cancel surge with surge blessing would be cray cray.

[half turtle]

mostly i run blaze nexus on trauma because i love how trauma forces you to crutch on the movement of your melee weapon

[half turtle]

inexplicably the surge blessing on surge staff only fires 1.1x

[untold niche]

Imo I think nexus flurry actually better since its more consistent.

Surge just let's you onebtap crusher and gunner sometime

• as a void main running surge nexus

[half turtle]

yeah i can see the argument for it

i just don't like void much generally

it's... boring and feels meh to me

[untold niche]

I think void only really shine when you build for it AND know all of its thresholds for your build.

[half turtle]

idk like if i want a big heavy ranged weapon that pierces and needs to be charged up and vented i would play plasma vet

[untold niche]

The vent is pretty fast. One tick

I peril edge so I just vent one tick

At most two ticks

[half turtle]

yeah i don't think it's bad

i just like the feel of plasma better

in that playstyle

[untold niche]

I feel plasma feels too long to shot

Shoot

Void you can precharge

I always have my void out

[half turtle]

counterpoint is tapping lmb without charging is a lot stronger on plasma

you can hit 1shs bps on most elites/specials with it

[untold niche]

And plasma vent seems to take forever

Void vent takes like what 200ms + 1 tick

[half turtle]

the plasma vent is slower and the reload is ass and it eats ammo

i think plasma is probably a worse weapon overall than void, i just don't like void

[sacred crane]

"Sometimes you have a troubled mind sibling"
"Yes I know, it's very distracting sometimes I'm trying to murder a filthy heretic and then- HUH TERROR SQUIRREL!"
And that is why seer is the best is best voice (in my opinion)

[half turtle]

not cuz it's bad, it just feels clunky to me

[spice veldt]

takes longer but you also get 2 shots if you're doing it repeatedly from 100%

[untold niche]

I'm not arguing to say you are wrong or whatever I'm just arguing in hope that with new knowledge you try void and like it more

[half turtle]

i've probably played like ~10 hours of void by now (on different builds too) so i'm probably not gonna change my mind unless there's a big new patch

[stuck sinew]

Always appreciate [pained laughter]

[spice veldt]

the only slow fire rate projectile weapons that get my heart are those that deal good single target DPS

[untold niche]

My psyker is +59, I started using void as soon as it was available. I think I only really understood it at +40

[deep pine]

How to you properly blitz cancel on surge staff? what is the benefit?

[sacred crane]

I like how subtitles have to emphasize that

[half turtle]

basically just swap to your blitz and back, which cancels the "backswing" i think

[untold niche]

Usually what I do is run, slide and charge/quell then look for anything to shoot. After shoot, decide if I want to stand still or loop

[deep pine]

so in a nutshell you are swapping to blitz between casts?

[untold niche]

My positioning isn't as good from what I seen from videos of other regulars here but it doesn't need to be because I can facetank 3 crushers and 3 ragers

[half turtle]

it's kinda like how you can cancel parry backswing on devilclaw with block

[half turtle]

yeah although i think it's easier to just sprint forward instead, which does the same thing

or at least used to

anyways it does like 15-20% more damage if you do it well i think? which is appreciable but also not completely essential if you hate doing that kind of thing

[untold niche]

also the tick interval is almost instaneous, thats just the initial quell delay

so oen tick and two ticks isn't that different time wise

[viscid matrix]

Edge yourself for maximum gains

[untold niche]

oh my god

no

xD

[half turtle]

low peril is scrub play

[untold niche]

why yo ugotta word iot like that

[viscid matrix]

[untold niche]

also el chialde, did you used to have a different profile picture a month back, i recognize your name but not your picture

[viscid matrix]

Couldn’t help myself

[half turtle]

not being permanently above 80 is cringe shit though unironically

[viscid matrix]

I’ve had this one since october

It’s the Gunker from passive tree

[quartz eagle]

does quell count also as automatic reduction of peril?

[untold niche]

i wouldn't say that since pygex doesn't do peril edging and i believe he is a much better psyker than me

agent chaos doesn't either

[untold niche]

so sorry can you rephrase that i don't understand

[quartz eagle]

like if I didn't hold down my quell, the automatic reduction that quells, does it also count as that?

[untold niche]

the quell stat affects the automatic reduction iirc

you can check in game

let me check it for you

[half turtle]

i think it's less important on voidstrike and basically impractical on gunker unless gaze is ticking

so it's pretty build dependent

[untold niche]

yeah

[quartz eagle]

not the stat

you know how if you stop using warp attacks and seize your peril, you will automatically go down in peril after a while

[untold niche]

you mean does quietude proc on automatic peril quell?

[half turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvBG9GLK7Ys actually i checked 6 random timestamps in this video and didn't find a single 2-second spam where he wasn't above 70

[untold niche]

yeah?

[earnest laurel]

and then lots of enemies spawn, you panick, spam your staff, and explode

[half turtle]

step 2 is avoidable tho

worst case you can get that achievement

[quartz eagle]

does that automatic reduction of peril, count as quelling? or does it only count when I hold down the quell button

[untold niche]

watch the whole thing, i watched that exact same video

[half turtle]

any reduction of peril counts as quelling for stuff like quietude

[untold niche]

at least watch the first 12 minutes

[earnest laurel]

you mean worst case is your team has to carry you

but my few % more damage bruh

[half turtle]

well worst case you wipe

[quartz eagle]

quietude is a staff stat I take it?

[half turtle]

quietude is the perk that gives toughness for quell

[quartz eagle]

oh

right

yea

okay

good

[untold niche]

peril also gives crit chance for void in the form of nexus blessing

[quartz eagle]

then this build work

jesus hadron im sorry

[earnest laurel]

Why would I risk in the first place? Just don't keep it so high as 80% , I see many void users explode in my games.

[half turtle]

i think peril edging is basically mandatory on blaze trauma because of how the blaze works, and it's weakly useful on voidstrike because it procs surge (and obviously bonus damage)

[untold niche]

anyway thats why i run vent
but im pretty sure i can not explode if i go bubble after playing for some time

[half turtle]

but also peril is toughness DR, and a free heal on toughness, and it makes shriek better, etc

[quartz eagle]

i run a scrier build

[untold niche]

i only go overboard when my vent is up

[quartz eagle]

i want 100% quick and fast quell

[half turtle]

idk i don't see it as a risk

[quartz eagle]

automatic

[half turtle]

like you can just not overload

instead of overloading

quelling is super super fast anyways

[untold niche]

i never explode if i have been playing psyker
but admittedly if you want me to record or stream i would prob get very nervous about it.

such is life.

[half turtle]

the only time i quell down to under 50 is when there's a big ol crusher patrol i need to kite out or something

[untold niche]

only time when im under 50 is after vent or i need to tank DH

[untold niche]

again, this is not a
"im such a great player thing"
this is more of to convince you to try it.

if an average skill player such as me can do it so can you

[earnest laurel]

What I mean is , shouldn't imply playing below high af peril is ''cringe''. Id rather have a teammate do slightly less damage, than them exploding mid horde . Playing safe wins games. Not being reckless.

[half turtle]

oh yeah it just sucks to not have your stagger tool on a big patrol of crushers so that's the one time i think edging isn't always worth it

[deep pine]

I think it just takes practice.. When I first started damnation at level 30 I was self popping 2 or 3 times a game lol... now at level 60 it's rare I self pop.

[manic halo]

https://img.ifunny.co/videos/1f783e383001bb700532334527cc4d66ee632a1cd4785616710e28340aaff02d_1.mp4

[untold niche]

i facetank crusher patrol with void
see i told you! (try void more)

[manic halo]

we edging in this bitch

[deep pine]

also getting Peril Bar addon helped me a lot.

[manic halo]

we edge our perils

[half turtle]

sometimes i still self pop because i overload intentionally to vent, but a mutant picks me up at that exact moment

[untold niche]

no im sure thats your 200IQ doing it so that you kill the mutie so your team can save you

instead of being thrown to the fire

give yourself more credit

[deep pine]

this addon..with a visual growing bar...Don't know..just made it easier for my brain to understand.

[half turtle]

dang

i have never seen this UI

that's crazy

i think i just have the default perilgauge

[manic halo]

thats the most FUGLY ui i have ever seen

be ashamed

[untold niche]

crosshair HUD + custom hud + spider senses

i run peril gauge

[deep pine]

it's clean AF bro 😄

[half turtle]

the fugly-clean aesthetic

[manic halo]

its shit AF

[untold niche]

i never liked having hp and toughness in the middle of my screen

[manic halo]

im dissopointed

[untold niche]

if i get hit then i check toughness

[half turtle]

i actually like those hp/toughness bar positions

i should get this mod

[untold niche]

crosshair hud

[deep pine]

crosshair hud + custom hud and you can make it yeah

[untold niche]

i see, yeah i think thats valid then.
though in asia not many voidstrike users

[earnest laurel]

What most ppl run there?

[deep pine]

@untold niche you in asia bro?

[half turtle]

oh yeah the "cringe" part is a bit ironic, but i think that it's basically optimal and everyone should try learning it on most staff builds (that's the unironic part)

[untold niche]

i had an psyker explode 2/3 times in a5mael and im just like waat
gunker without using their secondary (mostly)

and trauma (not sure rending or blaze) - not that much

Most run bobble though, which is good

[untold niche]

yeah

[deep pine]

Nice man, me too.

[half turtle]

i see lots and lots of flurry trauma not-even-rending now it's weird

bubble is pretty common in my games too

[deep pine]

I want to play voidstrike, just waiting to find blessing so I can finish my void staff.

[half turtle]

i'm NA but i play at like 5am so i think i'm mostly playing with people in apac lol

[untold niche]

actually purge is as common as trauma

[half turtle]

yeah i see purg a lot too

i hate purg more because blaze is like half my damage LOL

[untold niche]

after you do make sure to limit test all your thresholds

[half turtle]

so i basically do 50% less damage when there's a purg guy in the game

[untold niche]

very important you do that

what are you running again

[half turtle]

blaze trauma, brain burst, shriek

i haven't played anything else for probably 80 truelevels

[untold niche]

ahh

[half turtle]

except when i was grinding hardmode twins i put in smite for brainburst

[untold niche]

wait why are yo utaking BB on blaze trauma

that does not make sense

[half turtle]

because i don't have a sniping tool

i don't need smite because trauma controls

[untold niche]

doesnt trauma have infinite range

[half turtle]

no

well the lmb does

but it's hard to hit stuff like super far gunners with it

brain burst is a lot better at peeking and "sniping"

but i don't need smite because trauma has good control

[untold niche]

i see agent jsut look up super high to hit far gunners, or use his assail

[half turtle]

and i don't like assail because i don't like assail

it's probably actually fine i just don't like javelin tossing 3 times to kill a single distant gunner

well also i think if i run assail i can't take wildfire (soulblaze spreads when someone dies) + psykinetic's aura (cdr on specialist kill), both of which i like a lot

[earnest laurel]

thats fair I guess

[half turtle]

the rmb of trauma does have a max range btw

at some point it lifts off the ground

it's pretty far, like 30m? but there are definitely places where you can't hit gunners with trauma circle by just looking up

anyways brain burst is kinda cringe and needs a ton of space to do its thing but trauma is very good at making a ton of space

[quartz barn]

I just opt to using bb when the other blitzes wont see any use

No point in running assail when youre at 80% peril all the time and surge wont get used when youre ccing with trauma anyway

[untold niche]

ohhhhh

[untold niche]

yeah fair point

[upper sun]

does anyone actually have motion blur enabbled?

[half turtle]

probably someone out there

[untold niche]

no but how much my fps randomyl drops it might as well be

[upper sun]

yeah like i feel the devs dont even play their game

[half turtle]

i also get crazy screen tearing sometimes which is great

[upper sun]

"YES make shit blurry in a fast paced fps"

[half turtle]

i kinda feel like nobody at fatshark plays the game above malice

i mean it's probably not true

but it sometimes feels that way

like with the fire changes

or like the constant silent dudes bugs we get

[upper sun]

"oh the whole game system makes it so players should stay near eachother LETS add a stealth system and lets force people to collect random shit everywhere in the map"

[ornate hamlet]

Fuck coherency

[idle bay]

Loner perk for all classes ™

Better idea. If someone in party have a stealth ability - everyone else in party gets a free Loner perk atcive.

If psyker had a "Loner" it would be called - "Imaginary friends"

[cosmic sigil]

let me tell you

i had all the ammo

[wet belfry]

I know for a fact its not true

Its important to understand FS is cut into differnent team divisions.

Ex communication, art design, combat design, level design.

[upper sun]

the voices are my coherency

[plucky flax]

Assail what?

[vestal fulcrum]

There are Sharks that play Aurics, so that’s not entirely true

[idle bay]

We just say that they are not playing, because we are disappointed about some things in game....

And sad thing - when they are playing it - it hits them differently than us. Becuase it's a also the thing that they work with. Maybe it's like drinking with a coworker in pub, a coworker who they are tired seeing everyday . Maybe it's even more fun for them - playing with a product of their labor. Who knows...

[cosmic sigil]

Or maybe the bulk of the players is around malice lvl.

[idle bay]

Also, being Fatshrks CM - is probably easisest and most frustrating job ever. 1) You barely have anything to do 2) you are forbidenn from communiating any meaningfull info 🙂

[quartz barn]

Or theyre like the dmc director and think the game inits current state is way too easy

[deep pine]

usually the actual developers care, it's the suits that don't play games much that hamstring things.

[idle bay]

Anyone with Precogition powers here to tell when next cosmetics store update is coming? I barely playing last few weeks , but still have some aquillas burning my pockets

[vocal cliff]

Wait do you have motion blur off

[upper sun]

no ofc not

i play on nvidia geforce so i have to turn it off every time i start the game

[vocal cliff]

Ah

[quartz barn]

Gonna be honest, if your only reason to come back to this game is the store you should probably just not bother

[idle bay]

I'm just waiting for next update to play some more and then take a break again.

after 1030 hours is the healthy relations with a game.

And true endgame is hangining in Darktide discord.

[upper sun]

yeah after getting screwed over with RNG i legit have anxiety starting a game

Ive had the game running for 2 hours now and i cant bring myself to play it because im just gonna brick more gear anyways

[near drift]

When infinite wealth comes out tomorrow darktide is getting a pretty long break

[mild merlin]

i find it so stupid that psyker is the strongest with guns

veteran should be

dumb

[burnt ember]

Just tried the lighting staff and holy is it fun to use

[deep pine]

is it decent to play voidstrike staff with warp siphon?

[vocal cliff]

Should be

[deep pine]

I tried to play with disrupt destiny

but I didn't like it at all

[vocal cliff]

It should be better on the other keystones

Disrupt is just weird like that

[umbral helm]

it takes a certain mindset for DD

[glossy ember]

oh my GOD

finally

[vocal cliff]

No more bald Baldwin

[glossy ember]

it only took 80 years

[hearty oak]

Im liking the deimos for a more singular target weapon. Can it one shot a mutant though without being charged up?

[vocal cliff]

I don't think so

[hearty oak]

Like the illisi Almost can.

[umbral helm]

2nd heavy, the poke can if you hit breakpoints

[vocal cliff]

Yeah

[umbral helm]

gotta hit them in their tiny head though

[vocal cliff]

Never hit em with their tiny, so tiny head they got a freakin tiny lil head

[hearty oak]

Like hitting chrgers if im honest from L4d2

[vocal cliff]

Why did I only now realize how similar the two are

[hearty oak]

[umbral helm]

I like running ds4 and doing the special poke at their face and interrupting their charge. it serves no purpose other than spite

[hearty oak]

I just like it cause it gives me more boss damage

I have slaughterer and shred on it. Not entirely sure what i want on it

[paper loom]

is unstable power good with scyers gaze?

[umbral helm]

it is an option

[misty cypress]

if you explode from perils of the warp with unstable power, you detonate like an ogryn grenade

[steep estuary]

Exploding can be fun

[near drift]

"I got four pounds of tannerite up my ass! boom"

[next zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832747371297374251/998080287873437737/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

[umbral helm]

"you're the mailbox of the warp, and I'm the pipebomb"

[little pier]

God damn the Illisi looks good with Mortis Operative skin

[fresh quail]

I popped the cherry ran damnation on pysker

[next zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981627225961025587/1154522367540858910/1091850745864781955.gif?ex=654d483e&is=653ad33e&hm=f62ed4f5d1bf01ef27fdad55b66a1377a0d79f876b3b2eadea866b719892cf67&

[plucky flax]

How its so hard

[idle bay]

It's only seems difficult before you play it first time 🙂 After that you know that in Damnation real difficulty comes from team mates that share single brain cell , and your own lack of attention to surroundings 🙂

[meager moon]

God this is so true

Also sometimes you have good runs and sometimes you fumble the bag

[tawny jetty]

Sometimes you get hit by silent bursters at every corner

[meager moon]

I keep seeing everyone talk about that but I don't know if I've experienced silent enemies yet

...probably just haven't noticed them behind me LOL

[idle bay]

I'm geting netted by stealth trapper at least once each game 🙂

[meager moon]

The trappers are evolving and learning that in order to hunt effectively, you should probably be quiet

[granite oyster]

I like to look around as I swing or do Psyker ability shit, since they’re all fire forgets.

[spice veldt]

the sound in this game can be real fucked either because of certain map sections where enemies appear to be coming from the wrong direct and/or sound more distant than they actually are

or from the dampening mechanic where enemies are quieter if you're not their target

[granite oyster]

Or just the sheer amount of noise going on.

[idle bay]

And Loosecannon vet actually loves them 🙂 He tells so!

[granite oyster]

Anyways my biggest problem is that there are so many spawn locations that I’m bound to stand near one where a poxburster or trapper just spawned.

[spice veldt]

so if you make the horrible mistake of being in a line with a teammate being targeted by a sniper, you won't hear the warning sound but will still get dinked

[fresh quail]

@plucky flax brain burst warp charges, voice of command, and all 4 toughness replenish

But I mostly won because my team saved me heh

My job was to hit hard then run away

Opening with lightning staff>VoC>brain burst>sword swings rotation

[lyric burrow]

im pretty sure sound priority and what goes in the sound channels is also a bit messed up but its room to room like arco said

[meager moon]

I tested my melee psyker build more last night and by god I felt more effective than a zealot in melee

[tawny jetty]

Yes. This. I always hear "Bomber reporting in" from fucking ten rooms away, and mistakenly start looking around for it. Bursters though? They've already exploded on me with not a peep.

[lunar hollow]

bursters being completely silent and then playing the last second of their ticking noise as they det

[long wharf]

uh, psyker doesn't have Voice of Command

do you mean Venting Shriek?

[spice veldt]

shrimply skill issue

[fresh quail]

Yes...

[tawny jetty]

Yeah, then I look like the dipshit that doesn't know to push them away. I hates it.

[meager moon]

venting of command

[lyric burrow]

at this point i think maybe half the bursters make the proper amount of sound

[meager moon]

voice of shriek

[long wharf]

shriek of command

[plucky flax]

Okay interesting what weapon do you use on zealot?

[tawny jetty]

All the ones that spazz out in the spawn room, making ALL the noise.

[meager moon]

I main zealot so I do in fact know that my zealot is better, my psyker melee statement could be better phrased as "as effective as a zealot"

[plucky flax]

[umbral helm]

I like spawning 20 bursters in the same spot with creature spawner and flinging myself up to one of the statues to get the true Burster Experience™️

[meager moon]

I use heavy sword and can delete a horde in a second but it struggles with armored bois, the psyker melee build I made can't delete hordes as fast but can delete a full horde of ragers and carapace dudes suuuuuper fast if you're skilled with dueling sword headshots

[long wharf]

if you want to deal with the horde effectively, you go with the Illisi

[meager moon]

exactly

[plucky flax]

My best zealot melee is combat axe bm.

[meager moon]

i specifically want to deal with armored portions of hordes with my psyker melee build

[plucky flax]

Left click everything die.

[long wharf]

why would you eat combat axes?

having bowel movements afterwards is pretty expected

[plucky flax]

[long wharf]

[Zealot straining sounds intensifies]

https://tenor.com/view/poop-south-park-gif-5465174

[rigid sky]

Question about gun psyker:

Running atm Illisi + Columnus IAG with Assail

and Gaze

[long wharf]

keep your gun pointed up and down range at all times.

[rigid sky]

should I run middle or right keystone?

I feel like middle is the best choice for assail strength

since the IAG is mostly backup for once I'm out of shards or there's a lot of juicy targets in a cone

[long wharf]

EP (middle) for assail, DD (right) for gun

so depends on what you want to focus on more

[rigid sky]

Gun is crazy strong by the time scrier's gaze has a few stacks anyway

death laser

[long wharf]

since you're running SG for gun usage, assail is less of a focus

[meager moon]

I know I'm a minority in this but I really enjoy using DD, it's like a minigame you play. Just gotta go in expecting to not keep your stacks up the whole mission. Very easy to build stacks in hordes though

[rigid sky]

I'm using SG for assail too though

[long wharf]

oof

[rigid sky]

for first ten stacks or so I'm throwing a few shards and quelling

[long wharf]

not a good combination

[rigid sky]

then I start shooting usually

it's variable

but it feels like it works out well

[long wharf]

then you aren't really using SG for assail

you just use assail for the first part of SG instead of your gun

[rigid sky]

I'm using it for general power I guess

if I have to I just gun straight away

but I feel like I get more value if I prep it ahead of the highest tension point

My main pitfall is that I think illisi is a bad match for gaze

[long wharf]

why?

[rigid sky]

since I forget that I shouldn't be using my special when I'm at 80% peril and rising lol

[long wharf]

you don't have to use your special with Illisi for it to be great against the horde

get slaughterer on there

and lights will kill basically everything

[rigid sky]

I usually open with a special heavy

and then spam heavies

and lights if it's low density

[long wharf]

best horde clear is h1->l1->repeat

[rigid sky]

but I've blown myself up with that first special heavy before

[long wharf]

no need for special unless there's an elite in the way

[rigid sky]

my illisi is slaughterer/bloodthirsty

this is darktide, when is there not an elite lo

[long wharf]

bloodthirsty is a waste

[rigid sky]

lol

Yeah, but it came with it

and I haven't had a better illisi drop yet

I want to change to slaugherer/uncanny I think

*slaughterer

[long wharf]

the best dps combination for Illisi is slaughterer with unstable power

[rigid sky]

don't feel like illisi needs deflector

I love deflector but I run illisi in builds that don't need it usually

[long wharf]

deflector is for people that like to play a little defensively

[rigid sky]

I like deflector more for my deimos

[meager moon]

yeah deflector is preference/playstyle/skill dependent

[long wharf]

same, I have it on my Illisi, but I need to build one without deflector

[rigid sky]

I think deimos doesn't need offensive blessings as much as illisi

Illisi needs blessing support to be as supreme as it is

deimos just works out of the box

[fresh quail]

I shit you not I was toast at that moment I looked up my team was on the catwalk adjacent to mine. My savior a mutant tossed me like a rag doll to the other side where I landed on my team!

[rigid sky]

but they've got entirely opposite usecases

[meager moon]

I think deimos vs illisi depends on the other parts of your build

[rigid sky]

exactly yeah

no point running an illisi with a deimos for example

uh

an illisi with a purgatus I mean

[meager moon]

yeah

[rigid sky]

illisi with a deimos would be fucking hardcore

duel force swords

[meager moon]

tbh if you could do that, melee psyker would be sick

one sword for horde, one to pop elites

put deflector on one to close distances and pop scrier's gaze to approach at mach speed

[rigid sky]

Assail for anything you can't reach

or fire shriek

[meager moon]

mmmmmm

[paper loom]

this any good?

[tacit cargo]

Is there any build that can use the obscurus well?

I still have a 380 lying around that has good perks so i could switch out both blessings

[meager moon]

I dunno if I would center a build on it but it would come in handy for builds that are a bit weak to close range elites

[upper sun]

its by far the worst sword

i had 2 at 370+ and i sended up surrendering them for blessings

[tacit cargo]

Yeah I got this one back when it was the only force sword available and havent really touch it since

its a 380 with perfect perks though so i wouldn't really love to scrap it

in case it becomes good again

[upper sun]

check the pinned guide

id really hate it if it was buffed now lol

after surrendering 3

[meager moon]

If you think it’s fun to use, might as well keep it tbh

[upper sun]

well it wasnt fun either

[tacit cargo]

I don't think it's gonna happen soon

[upper sun]

animations for it are kinda weird

like it doesnt have the clear of illisi or the single target damage of demios

[tacit cargo]

yeah

it kinda does both but shitty

[upper sun]

force swords are like the only thing im lucky with

[meager moon]

I got super lucky this week with a godrolled dueling sword and what I think is a godrolled voidstrike

[upper sun]

I got surge for voidstrike 2 days ago im still hoping for a good voidstrike

this is not what i requested

[meager moon]

Actually idk about godroll on this voidstrike, any suggestions on how to change this

[tacit cargo]

If you have over 72% damage you can grab carapace and crit chance with surge and oneshot headshot crit crushers

[umbral helm]

obscurus unfortunately just got power-creeped by illisi and deimos. not sure there's really a way to "fix" it without just turning it into something completely new

[upper sun]

damn nice

[tacit cargo]

crit damage for crit chance or flak

and you could change transfer peril for surge depending on your playstyle

[meager moon]

yea transfer peril I think i might not need, i have good peri lmanagement and i wanna keep it higher for damage and crit chance

[tacit cargo]

if you keep transfer peil i'd only change out crit damage for flak and buff the carapace up to 20% i

if you wanna swap it swap it for surge and change crit damage for crit chance

[meager moon]

ok i'll look into that, thanks for the suggestions

[tacit cargo]

like this

only my damage role is ass

so i cant onehit crushers

[meager moon]

Oh man that's beautiful

[tacit cargo]

it would be if i could trade like 8% of quell speed for damage

but its still very good

[meager moon]

Yeah I bet

[tacit cargo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1199471193611325550/20240123224913_1.jpg?ex=65c2a999&is=65b03499&hm=98e3b601d0d6ec73a434a0a4a429f3f529558442d16100b3c4c9949ce798784c& Currently working to get Uncanny strike for this one

sadly ill never be able to get uncanny and slaughterer on it

[meager moon]

Oooo that's nice

I think next I am going to try to go for trauma staff soulblaze build, that seems stupid fun

[rigid sky]

It really is. Frustrating when you fire a bunch off and the fire doesn't want to start though

it's fun having wildfire actually be a good talent

since I think blazing spirit trauma is like the only context where wildfire does a lot of work

[meager moon]

Or that build someone posted yesterday combining the soulblaze talents with smite, that was nutty

[long wharf]

eh

[meager moon]

dude popped venting shriek to set everything on fire, whipped out smite, and the kill feed became a solid scrolling wall of elite kills

[long wharf]

well, not because of smite

[meager moon]

i think it adds 15% dmg from all sources no? so doesn't that mean soulblaze does more damage

[long wharf]

that's true, but 6 stacks of soulblaze are going to kill the horde quickly, regardless

[untold niche]

he said elite tho

could it be ep assail?

[meager moon]

there was a video that was posted, all i know is from what I saw in the vid

i try to find it

[untold niche]

pygex's i think

[long wharf]

and if you're also using Perilous Combustion, then it all snowballs from there

[untold niche]

thsi one?

[long wharf]

as each elite death is applying 3 stacks of soulblaze to everything around them

[meager moon]

Yes that vid

[long wharf]

the amount of effort required to make smite contribute offensively is a key indicator to how weak it is

[meager moon]

I wanna get his peril setup, it just never goes up

[meager moon]

that's fair, I just don't mind playing stuff that is off meta. if it seems fun i'll just try to git gud until I can make it work in auric

[long wharf]

smite definitely puts in work when enemy densities get high enough, as far as CC is concerned

[untold niche]

it goes up, it jsut goes down because of venting shriek
from what i understand his venting shriek became 3 seconds CD because he killed alot of elites and it procced the skill tree CDR node
he may be running warp tree too but theres no warp buff visible

[long wharf]

it's just that most people using smite are using it wrong, making life harder for the team instead of easier

[meager moon]

dude yes. I see so many people using it as a crutch or using it at the wrong times

[plucky flax]

Smite spammer Unite
https://youtu.be/b657tHKOPcQ

[long wharf]

good grief, that veteran had no idea how to handle bulwarks

or crushers

[lyric mantle]

Smite on the horde and teammates decide its a good time to do anything other than damage it. Fun times

[long wharf]

I'd rather see smite do more damage and generate more peril

[upper sun]

no less damage and less peril

[long wharf]

no.

[upper sun]

yes

[long wharf]

being able to perma-stun everything for long periods isn't engaging gameplay

and will only encourage the bad behavior we're already seeing

[upper sun]

since when is stunning heretics bad?

[long wharf]

when the time you spend stunning them increases their life time instead of shortening it

and isn't actually keeping teammates alive

which is about 90% of current smite usage

players spamming smite on an incoming horde instead of letting it get into chokepoints and be manageable

or players holding a group of enemies and just waiting for the team to get around to them, instead of engaging and killing those enemies

a dead heretic is always preferred over a stunned one

if all you can contribute to a run is that you can make the enemies dance funny, then you're actually hurting the run, with the sole exception of auric damn where enemy density can get absolutely ridiculous

using Smite in the brief situations where a gang of elites bursts onto the scene to stop them and knock them down to give the team time to engage them is great

[upper sun]

what about shields hate those too?

[long wharf]

even doing that multiple times so you can keep them out of the fight is more effective for you (more peril efficient) than standing there until your peril caps

nope, shields work very well

standing around in a shield and waiting for the enemy to come to you, however, is generally a sign of poor play, with the exception being mission-required stopping points

[upper sun]

i think you just dont like playing support

[long wharf]

I absolutely love playing support

[upper sun]

maybe other classes would be more to your liking

[long wharf]

oh you sweet summer child

I've been maining psyker since open beta

surge staff was my goto

the problem with the tools psykers have today is that it's easy for new players to build really bad habits that don't work in higher difficulties

spamming smite doesn't teach you how to dodge enemies while being still being offensive

and playing defensively works for as long as the team is still being offensive over-all

it's called tactics

so, maybe a little critical thinking on your part will help you learn how to understand what other people are saying

and you can, you know, grow a little

[meager moon]

I think smite is fine as-is tbh

It's clearly meant to be a cc tool and that new player thing will never go away, it's just part of games with a high skill ceiling

[long wharf]

perhaps

annoying, just the same

[meager moon]

Agreed

[spice veldt]

i absolutely hate the design of smite and do not think it should ever persist in this game

[long wharf]

and Darktide has always struggled with "support" roles

[spice veldt]

a weapon that straight up makes the enemy do nothing is just not interesting

[long wharf]

the core design is killing heretics

[spice veldt]

I've never liked the zealot stun grenades for that reason, and I absolutely do not like smite

[long wharf]

I don't mind stun grenades - they operate for a short time, and they're limited in usage

unlike smite

[spice veldt]

yeah they're better than smite in that regard

and there are ways to add some depth to smite

or to make the stun interesting

i'm fine with stuns but it's just completely braindead and not interesting

[long wharf]

sure, make it generate more peril

force players to use it tactically

[frail harness]

The zealot book is great support

Maybe if smite applied brittleness or something

[long wharf]

absolutely, but the zealot doesn't have to do more than use two talent points to do it

it's not a focus for the build

[frail harness]

Agreed

[spice veldt]

i'd make smite a melee-adjacent blitz of some sort

[long wharf]

nobody has a "Relic Zealot" build

then we see "Smite Psykers"

and it's just ugh

[spice veldt]

make the LMB a lightning punch or some short-ranged single-target damage thing, and make the RMB a more interesting and short-lived stun

[frail harness]

Ran an auric yesterday with a Smyker

[long wharf]

I'd be down with that

[frail harness]

Really not okay

[long wharf]

smyker, I love it

[spice veldt]

not a "hold down button to make yourself and the enemy do nothing" sort of thing

[lunar hollow]

smite would be more interesting as a utility tool that u charge up and then blast and it does whatever the desired effect is but u dont have to sit there and stop doing anything else

[long wharf]

make it generate a lot of peril for that one shot, too

[frail harness]

Yeah the fact that it stops everything including you is the worst part

[lunar hollow]

what i lean towards atm is a high peril charge up that slows enemies and their animations so ur not really turning them off per se but making them super easier to manage

[meager moon]

Maybe give it a short cooldown, and you shoot out a bolt that travels through the horde and stuns. so once you fire you can switch back to your other weapon

[lunar hollow]

because i dont really like the idea of a hard stun

[meager moon]

but that might be too much like stun grenade for zealot

[frail harness]

Shriek is cool and also kinda support but it doesn't stop the action

[spice veldt]

i'd like that for like a rework of the surge staff or something

[long wharf]

I don't mind the current mechanic of smite, the way it spreads between enemies

I don't like that the psyker can sit there for a minute doing it

[lunar hollow]

i like the idea of it taking a shit ton of peril because then u have a blitz that gets u from 0 to ~100 really fast if u wanna take advantage of warp rider or unstable power on a melee

[long wharf]

and stunning a horde is really stupid outside of specific circumstances

[spice veldt]

yeah the potential to just troll your teammates is too high

[meager moon]

I only take smite these days for those missions with hunting grounds + waves of mutants + extra poxbursters

[frail harness]

If it cost a bunch of peril it could be more like an actual lightning bolt and less like slowly spreading force lightning

[long wharf]

oh ho, I love waves of mutants

[lunar hollow]

because then u could also do stuff like make the 10% damage node close damage so now u gotta get up near the guy being smited to get the extra damage

[long wharf]

I just whip out my ds4 and start stabbing

[meager moon]

Hell yeah

[long wharf]

and it gets really silly when you see a door open, and it's 5 mutants on top of each other

[meager moon]

I wonder if we'll get a beam or coruscation type staff like from vermintide in the future

[long wharf]

the clown car door

[olive ember]

Could be worse

[spice veldt]

swap to smite for a short stun that inflicts skullcrusher but better and then swap to melee to whack them

sounds very cool to me

[olive ember]

It atleast isn’t as brain numbing as watching a psyker pop their dome shield on singular gunner

[lunar hollow]

does psyker have any skullcrusher melees besides dclaw

[spice veldt]

swapping weapons and doing combos

I don't think so

[lunar hollow]

u know what u could unironically do

[spice veldt]

oh god

[lunar hollow]

on like a force halberd

give it a blessing called soulcrusher

[flint plover]

I like to do that specifically to numb people's minds, so, good to hear

[lunar hollow]

same stacking mechanic as skullcrusher but its for enemies under the effect of a warp ability

[long wharf]

soulblaze ought to automatically lower enemy warp resistance per stack

and then I need to be able to apply soulblaze with the surge staff

[spice veldt]

add another warp DoT/debuff called soulrending

[lunar hollow]

i want soulblaze to be less of the end goal as a psyker mechanic and more of a means of doing something else

[olive ember]

But I like dots smh

[spice veldt]

soulblaze is probably here to stay just because of the sheer existence of the purg staff

[lunar hollow]

because rn if u have soulblaze u kinda just apply it basically for free

unless ur doing like a blazing spirit force sword in which case u have opportunity costed urself because it sounds so awesome and then its not

[spice veldt]

offload the coolstuff to another soul DoT

[olive ember]

Games too hard, we need everything bugged up to plasmagun level

[spice veldt]

so that you don't have to worry about the horrors of having to balance around being able to apply 100000 stacks of soulblaze

[lunar hollow]

or u honestly just make the purg staff have a different dot

and it gets shrimpler

[long wharf]

make the purge staff a literal flamethrower

[flint plover]

soul..wet

[lunar hollow]

because the psyker tree/blessings need more organic soulblaze application methods

[long wharf]

make soulblaze something else we get out of talents

[lunar hollow]

and perilous combustion is super hella not the answer

because jfc

[olive ember]

Has Josho played PoE btw?

[lunar hollow]

no

[spice veldt]

true, we kill perilous combustion and then something like venting shriek just applies something that's more akin to a debuff than a DoT

[olive ember]

Lots of build variety and kinda interesting stuff there

Ask lazorr or crab about it

[lunar hollow]

[olive ember]

Wdym man, they finally made wrack and ruin good

SMH

[lunar hollow]

i think what u do with venting shriek is u have it like mark the enemies with "doom" or something

and then u make that peril res node like

[long wharf]

no, they ruined wrack and ruin

by returning it to be on-kill instead of on-hit

[lunar hollow]

"when standing near enemies marked with doom reduce peril generation by x%, stacks x times"

[olive ember]

What if it because 3 stacks of soulblaze per elite per hit

[lunar hollow]

and then u make the two upgrade nodes add something that "doom" does

[olive ember]

[sour jetty]

I didn't know there was a 4th class. Is this new?

[spice veldt]

so true

[lunar hollow]

because rn venting shriek has an obvious trap upgrade and an upgrade node so strong it completely warps the ult's usage

which is maybe a lil not so healthy

[spice veldt]

damn would be cool

[olive ember]

I mean the ult was always used like that

[spice veldt]

encouraging you to run up to their asses or supporting such playstyles

[olive ember]

Idk what you mean by warps ults usage

[sour jetty]

This is fantastic. I thought we were gonna wait 5 years for another class

[olive ember]

One upgrade is trash yes but

[lunar hollow]

the ult wasn't actually always used like that

[sour jetty]

I'm impressed Fatshark

[lunar hollow]

because what u could do before

is take kinetic barrage

and not shit out ur charges

[sour jetty]

And there's already deep meta discussions

[olive ember]

Well yes but you still used it offensively

[lunar hollow]

if u were just running around with an illisi or w/e

[modern bronze]

[olive ember]

And that’s a warp charge issue

[lunar hollow]

well no because now the end goal

[meager moon]

You know what fellas. How about we just let the psyker dual wield thunder hammers

[olive ember]

Pls rework warp charges

[lunar hollow]

is just burning guys

what im saying is

[long wharf]

you mean dual force halberds?

[lunar hollow]

1 upgrade extremely changes the ult

and i'd like to distribute the power a lil more evenly between the ult nodes

[meager moon]

I said what I said

U bonk them together and emit a shockwave

[long wharf]

force hammers?

hold on, my psyker needs to eat her force sandwich

[lunar hollow]

and this isn't even an original talent

[long wharf]

and drink her force soda

[lunar hollow]

ogryn gets delight in destruction

[sour jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/buttsmarnn-gif-26886409

[lunar hollow]

10% damage reduction per bleeding enemy in melee range stacks 6 times

now this is like

[modern bronze]

thats fuckin nuts

[lunar hollow]

total cancer

dont get me wrong

but it presents a really interesting design space for effects that work based on proximity to enemies

and u could tune the distances so if ur applying doom u probs don't have to be as close

so put it at like 10 meters or smth

[meager moon]

I just want a single additional toughness gen talent for close range to make my beloved melee psyker build that much more viable

[lunar hollow]

soulstealer

[long wharf]

just crit more often

[spice veldt]

this is why we need to make smite cooler so that it can be a source of toughness gen for melee playstyles

[lunar hollow]

ig if ur running a non force melee it doesn't really help

[meager moon]

It's entirely possible right now but its so damn sweaty

[long wharf]

force sweaty

[meager moon]

this might be a lore question but why can't a psyker just apply force to a dueling sword? why do you need a specific force sword to channel the warp

[olive ember]

The swords are designed specifically to channel powers iirc

[meager moon]

Right, needs more tubes

[long wharf]

speaking of channeling powers - staff special attack needs to go

[olive ember]

I’d assume if a psyker is strong enough they could just empower any weapon but

[long wharf]

we deserve a special warp attack unique to each staff

[olive ember]

But they just buffed the specials

[meager moon]

This is a good conversation

give the staffs like an aoe slight knockback where you slam the ground with the butt of the staff or something

unique to each staff would be sick

[spice veldt]

yeah, balance aside, a slam that quells a mild of peril would be cool

something that's thematic and not just physically lugging your staff around

[meager moon]

Spin the staff and block ranged projectiles
AOE slam knockback
...
POLE VAULT

[spice veldt]

WOOOOOOOOOOO

[meager moon]

Bayonet-style charge

ending with an obscurus-style head pop or somethin

[plucky flax]

Yes the other psyker was even using trauma.

[onyx sleet]

what if you could take a staff and a gun instead of a melee weapon

[long wharf]

that would violate core Darktide game design

better option would be a force maul, force club, force truncheon

[onyx sleet]

force shovel

[half iron]

force eviscerator

[long wharf]

force poop knife

force fork

[onyx sleet]

force heavy stubber

[long wharf]

man, what would orks do to get their hands on some force dakka

[onyx sleet]

its on suitcase wheels because the psyker cant lift it

[dawn spoke]

affix force bayonets

[long wharf]

that'd be the GAU/8 Force Avenger

they had to design an entire psyker around the gun, because it wouldn't work otherwise

[onyx sleet]

use your psyker powers on your gun like you do with a force sword and get homing bullets

[long wharf]

honestly, that's what assail should have been

enemy seeking force rounds

reloading via the warp

[onyx sleet]

so the staffs all have the same light attack right?

[long wharf]

all but purge

[onyx sleet]

what does it do?

[long wharf]

it's a basic projectile

[onyx sleet]

does it put a soulblaze stack?

no as in how is purge light attack different?

i havent unlocked it yet

[long wharf]

oh, yes

purge primary attack is a short burst of warpfire

it applies soulblaze and has a much higher stagger/impact than the secondary stream

it can stagger anything but mutants and monstrosities

[onyx sleet]

is there a cap on soulblaze stacks?

[long wharf]

based on the burn stat of the staff

100% burn is 16 stacks, so we can only get 15 right now

[onyx sleet]

whar

i dont get it

[long wharf]

you can read all about everything psyker in the Psyker Atheneum

check pinned messages

[onyx sleet]

The maximum amount of Soulblaze stacks on a target is 31

[long wharf]

but the max purge can apply is 15

each source has its own limit

[onyx sleet]

ah

[long wharf]

but yes, max on any target is 31

which is why if you run purge, you also focus your talent tree on additional sources of soulblaze stacks

like Perilous Combustion and Creeping Flames

[onyx sleet]

apparently soulblaze cant trigger the soulblaze on killing an elite thing

wtf

[long wharf]

nope

FartShack is very much afraid of runaway, self-propagating soulblaze

[lyric mantle]

One wrong move and they'll end up with a PoE style feedback cast loop issue.

[long wharf]

more specifically, soulblaze that PC places on elites won't trigger more PC

[viral flare]

does this mean it anti-synergizes with the purgatus

[lyric mantle]

What I want is a perk that makes downing yourself with peril do high damage. Then a troll build that involves exploding myself. Please fatshark.... for the memes...

[tacit stump]

what do you think about the illisi force sword

[dawn spoke]

illisi has great horde clear but unfortunately struggles at most other things

[long wharf]

no

[harsh urchin]

huh

it does pretty well

in other things as well lmao

there's a reason why most people only bother with fs and ds on psy

[meager moon]

Or something like Unchained Sienna

[onyx sleet]

darktide wardloop

[dawn spoke]

my experience with it is that it isn't good at covering the shortcomings of staffs (other than the void staff) and notably is really not good against crushers

[long wharf]

Illisi isn't for carapace enemies

it murders the horde and regular enemies

[dawn spoke]

and I think in general qp players struggle with maulers and crushers, which is where the dueling sword can come in

[upper sun]

i did not read any of that

[long wharf]

your loss

[dawn spoke]

truly the mark of someone who is not completely wrong about what they're talking about

[proven falcon]

does crit chance effect Assail? I'm fairly new to psyker and have no idea how it works, compared to all the other classes that are pretty straightforward

[long wharf]

yes

you'll see your shards having a purple trail when they're crit shards

[proven falcon]

Ok, awesome, and does that stack with the crit chance from the weapon i have? Like the surge staff? or do only the perks effect it?

[upper sun]

conceptionally if you say "I love sniper rifles but I dont like their long range or their long reload time or them being bolt action" then you really dont like sniper rifles

[long wharf]

if the shard is in the air, it'll take on the perks/blessings effects of the weapon you have active

[upper sun]

if you tare down every single part of a skill then you dont actually like it

[dawn spoke]

I think #veteran-class is where people usually discuss irl guns

[proven falcon]

so if i switch from say, the staff, to my assail, theyll have its blessings? or do i have to switch back to staff after throwing them?

[upper sun]

do you know what an analogy is?

[long wharf]

you aren't worth spending any more time with, since you clearly are unable to understand simple concepts

[spice veldt]

the staff must be equipped at the time that the shards hit the enemy for its blessings to be active

[long wharf]

shards have to be in-flight

[dawn spoke]

no I'm just heckling you because I don't think anything anyone would say will change your mind

[proven falcon]

ah ok

[long wharf]

weapon blessings are only active while the weapon they're on is active

(barring bugs we find)

[dawn spoke]

RIP limbsplitter bayonet

[long wharf]

RIP hand cannon assail

[dawn spoke]

oh god

[long wharf]

it was glorious

you can still do it, sort of, just you have to rapidly switch weapons

it's a lot of effort for much less payoff

[tacit stump]

so i stay with deimos

[onyx sleet]

is there a version of this without the bandana?

[untold niche]

my good sir, how many stacks can PC apply?
can't find the info in athneum

[long wharf]

it applies 3 at a time

[untold niche]

no max stack?

[long wharf]

I don't think it has a built-in limit for itself

[untold niche]

thanks dood

[onyx sleet]

soulblaze has a global cap of 31

so nothing can be higher than 31

[untold niche]

sorry, in the original message i meant to ask max stacks for PC (as i saw you mentioning how purg had a max stack)
just realized i did not write "max"

[long wharf]

max stacks on any enemy is 31

each source of soulblaze can have a limit that they can apply

[lyric mantle]

So 2 purgatus psykers can hit the cap

[long wharf]

purge staff caps at 16, blazing spirit has its own cap listed in the blessing description

etc.

PC doesn't have a limit stated, so I don't think it has a source cap

[spice veldt]

nah, the cap doesn't add up

[lyric mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-dashed-hopes-high-hopes-futurama-sad-gif-12387112

[spice veldt]

rumbled

and tumbled

[dawn spoke]

no matter how many psykers you have they all share the same soulblaze

so having 2 purg psykers would be rly cringe 😔

[onyx sleet]

just set different enemies on fire duh

i keep getting terrifying barrage on my staffs

surge staff charge attack feels weird

[ornate hamlet]

How to people feel about assail psyker? So far that ability has been an absolute blast for me

[upper sun]

idk i like it makes for good wave clear and its really helpful for snipers

[chrome wedge]

Hey can assail critically strike?

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[chrome wedge]

Oh very cool

[spice veldt]

purple shard = crit

[hot zephyr]

You need to spend some time learning when to use it. It's very easy to misuse it and waste shards. If you are using an EP + Assail build you also need to be very aware when you have empowered shards because free secondary attacks are very powerful

[ornate hamlet]

Okay thank you, yeah I'm definitely overusing it right now but I started off on a lower difficulty just to learn it's targeting first

[upper sun]

ye you dont wanna waste an empowered one on a random low tier enemy

[ornate hamlet]

Is it normal that headshots seem to one shot mutants?

[hot zephyr]

Fair, there's a bunch of advanced tricks you can learn with it too, but those will come with time. To start just focus on learning to pace yourself and not just spam out of a bunch of shards in a panic.

[ornate hamlet]

I've been using the secondary lock on fire for the most part, using the regular firing as more of a mob clear again just as a test

[hot zephyr]

Mutants take triple damage from melee, it's fairly common that melee weapons can 1-shot headshot them if they have high base damage values.

[upper sun]

i mean you can spam it to clear a hoard its very good with that

[hot zephyr]

You can, but pacing your throws out even a little can be big time beneficial. That way you aren't killing corpses

[upper sun]

yeah wasting penetration always sucks 🙂

[hot zephyr]

Just as an example, say a giant horde is coming towards you, say like 15m away. If you throw a shard, let it hit the first target, then throw the next one, even if you aim the same spot, they won't lock on the same target if you are 1-shotting all the trash (which with talents like Warp Rider, Malific Momentum, and Perfect Timing up, you will be) so you end up with a lawn-mower effect where you cut back the horde very effectively and don't quickly hit critical peril. Once you get good at judging the timing on the shards for pacing yourself throwing, you can get even better by aiming into different parts of a horde and cut it down very very efficiently, allowing you to sustain through larger hordes or even mixed-hordes that appear on higher difficulties

[upper sun]

nah im not disagreeing you're right ragdolling corpses can block a hit before fully disappearing

[hot zephyr]

(no worries, i'm just elaborating for the other fellows who may be reading)

[upper sun]

also might be a bigger mob behind the hoard so you would need to switch weapons and should have free peril for that

but you know if a teammate is down im gonna spam everything jump in vent and spam more consequences be dammed

[chrome wedge]

Also is assail impacted by finesse dmg?

[spice veldt]

yeah

unlike brain burst, it does have >1x weakspot multipliers on that front

[ornate hamlet]

BB bodyshot meta

[lyric burrow]

😔

BB left to die part 1000

[spice veldt]

so sad

the poor bastards who foolishly assume that BB would work well with +finesse damage

[lyric burrow]

me when it still takes 3 BBs to kill a rager

actually i think it might be 2 now no buffs

since p14

[misty cypress]

does the talent "anticipation" work? Someone once told me it was bugged

[spice veldt]

it's bugged in the sense that it doesn't do what you'd intuitively expect

in terms of implementation, i don't think it's actually bugged

it increases the linger time of your dodge i-frames and specifically only against melee attacks

for psyker, the dodge linker time is like 0.25 seconds or something along those lines

so it's +0.125 seconds to that

[viral flare]

it's nice throwin' 3 shards out during scrier's too if you use that

[viral flare]

is that what it means by "dodge becomes ineffective"? i assume it meant you could dodge more often before you lost iframes from dodging

[spice veldt]

anticipation does two things

• +50% dodge duration, which is what i'm referring to
• +1 efficient dodge

[viral flare]

ah

[frail escarp]

guys im going for a disrupt destiny build, what should i change on this sword?
my guess is precognition but im not sure how bad it really is

[spice veldt]

change either riposte or precognition into uncanny strike, and change +crit damage into something else

[frail escarp]

hmm but to what? thought crit dam was useful for disrupt+scrier's build

[spice veldt]

the +crit damage perk is a marginal benefit (only +10% at t4), and the bonus is added on top of your crit damage in a bad way

maniac seems to be a popular option for the 2nd perk

[frail escarp]

i see ty

and i guess i change precog, just seems a bit weak with a 2s uptime

[ornate hamlet]

Precog is kinda meh, riposte is really good when not being finnicky

I'd get rampage in the place of precog and maniac on crit damage

[frail escarp]

aight thank you!

now to waste all my remaning plasteel in getting those belssings 🙂

[upper sun]

Who wants to see it brick?

tbh whatever i get its better than what im using now

🤔 what are the odds that i dont get just one but 4 curios all with 12 +3 stats

there is no way its all RNG there has to be something linked to my playtime or xp or something like that

[vestal fulcrum]

One would be able to tell had we had insight into server-side things

But we don't

[upper sun]

The voices tell me its not true RNG

if it was rng why would i get all for 60 rating

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043910914027561000/1199468191164944445/image.png?ex=65c2a6cd&is=65b031cd&hm=b6730b700d0b8127e6c2353a95f39f681e7c0e372ccdb56f4c373ac2ea14b27b&

toughness regen isnt horrible tho

[long wharf]

no, random is random

[long wharf]

this explains quite a bit, actually

[radiant frigate]

i like how the curio i spent 20k melkbucks for is actually still a scam

it works fine in the psykhanium

but in an actual game it is 2 stamina

[strong gulch]

75 stam curio claimed another victim.

[near drift]

So far the only 80 rating curio I've gotten has been a wounds curio : (

[deep pine]

what website is that?

[cosmic sigil]

is the bug still around?

[strong gulch]

Seems to be the case.

[upper sun]

I have 5 from the basic store

so far 4 bricked

🙂

[stuck sinew]

ooooh I wonder how Hadron will desecrate it

an adventure for tomorrow

[elfin roost]

Almost acceptable

[sharp flint]

You can turn psyker into a nuke

[hot zephyr]

15% Gunner resist is fine. Two of my curios the unmodified perk is 15 gunner resist.

[magic kayak]

I think gunner resist is highly overrated

[ornate hamlet]

Can anyone recommend a Psyker YouTuber with a decent build?

Currently running BB/Bubble/Empowered but want to check out other builds/weapons

[restive slate]

"Hey, siblings, VPsyker here! Remember to quell that like and subscribe button below!"

[long wharf]

seriously? "psyker youtuber?"

[lyric burrow]

YouTubers for dt arent great

Usually

[long wharf]

check the pinned messages for the Psyker Atheneum

[lyric burrow]

Theres like a few exceptions but generally id ask here or use the guides pinned

This game doesnt have much of a scene in content and the stuff that isnt wrong is significantly smaller than even that

[restive slate]

There are some decent YouTube intro guide vids for Darktide but the high level ones are usually lots of BP info or freakishly high level gameplay that is all skill no matter what their build

Not to mention there's a lil drama between some of the Darktide content creators haha

[wind spruce]

BP is?

[spice veldt]

breakpoint

[wind spruce]

Ahh

[ornate hamlet]

Found the spot in the guide I'm looking for. In case anyone else has a similar question:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959&searchtext=psyker

32. Example Builds

[zinc phoenix]

About as important as astrology to actual gameplay

[wind spruce]

Is this different between classes?

[spice veldt]

yeeeep

ogryn has a linger time of 0 seconds

no idea about the other classes but i assume that zealot has an equivalent or better linger time

[wind spruce]

Especially now there's a billion variable damage boosts. It used to mean a bit more

[wind spruce]

Cheers

[spice veldt]

there are subtle differences like that between the classes (which would be nice if such information was readily available in-game...)

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah these days damage numbers yo-yo around like crazy

Obese 🐠 does not care about your need for dokuments

[wind spruce]

I used to have a table which broke down most of those differences but I forgot or it didn't include the dodge linger time

[spice veldt]

and stuff like royale's guide to go by, but that information is outdated and I think the guide has been taken down

big sad

[lyric burrow]

Info in this game is strange

Im 1k hours in and i feel like theres so much shit i just do not understand

[long wharf]

... how?

I'm nearly at 950 hours, myself

[wind spruce]

People gain and retain information at different rates for a wide variety of reasons

[long wharf]

well obviously

but there can be other factors as well

like, only playing while you smoke pot

[wind spruce]

Well that's one of the large variety of reasons I mentioned haha

[wet belfry]

Im sure theres some obscure mechanics even a 950 hour player would miss.

[wind spruce]

Am I the only one who's hours are massively inflated from not exiting the game when I'm not playing?

And I do that with like every game I've played

[wet belfry]

I already know my hours are somewhat inflated due to steam being buggy

[potent zenith]

thoughts on last blessing?

[wet belfry]

Steam can track hours while im actually sleeping due to not exiting the game.

[potent zenith]

should i keep raking fire or swap for dumdum

[wet belfry]

Even if the computer is partially off. (rest mode)

[wind spruce]

Exactly, I'd say my hours are inflated atleast 100% due to that and shop camping

[wet belfry]

Its likely more interseting to look at what my true level is across all the characters

[wind spruce]

Stop reading my mind

[wet belfry]

I will not sibling

[wind spruce]

Stop it or I'll think about ur dad neked

[wet belfry]

Despicable

[spice veldt]

probably half my play time is prob just idling

[potent zenith]

or should i swap crit chance to something like carapace?

[wind spruce]

Definitely not carapace

Id Switch raking fire to dum dum

Dum dum is amazing

[potent zenith]

kk

thx sibling :>

[wind spruce]

No worries, you've got a great las pistol there other than the stability

[potent zenith]

the stability isnt really an issue since it barely has any recoil

[wet belfry]

ok

[wind spruce]

Indeed

[wet belfry]

so if i add all my characters true level together i am level 1238

[wind spruce]

Dis my baby ❤️

369

[potent zenith]

nice

[wind spruce]

I think I'm like 800

[long wharf]

I don't leave Darktide up (nor the launcher)

[tawny jetty]

I've heard mixed opinions on infernus. Do you like it?

[long wharf]

it used to be better

... that really should be a subtitle for Darktide as a whole

[wind spruce]

I haven't run it since the first month of class rework

Has it changed since then @long wharf

[tawny jetty]

Oh damn. I just got a good one on vet but haven't ever tried them.

[long wharf]

fire stacks were nerfed

[wind spruce]

Yeah I thought I remembered something like that

[long wharf]

and the laspistol's firerate was capped

and nerfed

[wind spruce]

Cos ogryn right?

Oh what

[long wharf]

yup

[tawny jetty]

Did some ogryn buff make em crazy good or what?

[wind spruce]

The ROF cap I had no idea about

That's rough

[long wharf]

up until a patch or two ago, laspistol would fire as fast as you could pull the trigger, or macro it

was ridiculous

the most recent fire damage nerf was due to gungryns burning down bosses stupid fast

[wind spruce]

I use full auto mod with it anyway cos my hands are fucked

Punching things bad

[long wharf]

it's still possible to burn down bosses fast, but ogryns use the achlys stubber specifically for that

I prefer the gorgonum because it's more generally good (better damage/ammo efficiency)

[tawny jetty]

Damn ogryns ruined it for the rest of us