psyker-class

[haughty star]

Is the void the artillery thingy?

Surge staff is just so fun I'm almost certain I wouldn't like much more lol

I think my psyker would be level 90 according to one of the stupid mods my buddy uses

[magic kayak]

im all surge staff myself

I used to be only purg because my teammates could never horde clear

[stone canyon]

Think i used Surge staff like 1 mission while leveling somewhere in my teens

Void gets fun with Nexus+Surge as you hear those double hits going off like thunder

[magic kayak]

properly build surge is amazing I feel like

built

[haughty star]

I'm the same way but opposite with void lol

[stone canyon]

Jut putting (bad) clutch with Voidstrike on youtube

[haughty star]

Used it leveling and it was unusable compared to guns. Surge was the first nice one I saw after 30 so I been rolling it ever since

[stone canyon]

Yeah tbh i tried Void too while leveling and it was just weak then

[haughty star]

I know I got a better picture

[stone canyon]

Stopped 5s too early recording, missed the "badass" comment from team that made it feel good

[spiral minnow]

is in fire reborn better for warp charges while using purgatus? or psychic empire even tho it is 4% but from others

[haughty star]

Yeah I had to clutch against a chaos spawn yesterday lmao it wasn't fun but surge does just enough to justify using it for bossing

[hearty oak]

The moment I got a blazing trauma, it just felt like what purge wanted to be

[strange fox]

@shadow wigeon you willing to do some testing for me cuz i literally can't tell if perfect timing effects perilous combution and wildifre, my personal testing after killing the dog in the testing room and with a bunch of crits before it dies, the dot damage is 9, on the elite next to the dog, and removing perfect timing the dot damage was still 9, so like i don't think it's appying to soulblade from those 2 nodes

[stone canyon]

Ive been rolling Trauma staffs whole day to get Blazing blessing

[hearty oak]

An absolute drug that staff is

[stone canyon]

No luck so far, gone through ~10 trauma staffs so far

[haughty star]

I've spent literal millions of ordo and quite possibly into six figures of plasteel looking for my blessed illisi or deimos

I rolled a God roll deimos the other day just to end up with this

Fuckin hadron

[strange fox]

i am jelous

with the stat rolls

i am sorry for your perk and blessings

[plucky flax]

Pls no it's bad.

[haughty star]

I was kinda mad but it had the +2 Stam and deflector on it so I just figured I'd defense focus it for my surge/smite build

[hearty oak]

It's not like the devs read here for advice

[plucky flax]

My propaganda.

[haughty star]

It's kinda funny cuz I can tank a fucking demonhost with it with little to no micromanagement

[plucky flax]

I shall go back to sedition.

[strange fox]

managed to upgrade mine to purple got weakpoint damage at 10 and 20 carapace damage, i think i'm satisfied with those rolls, but i need to use my last mofification to make sure it rolls into uncanny strike now.

[haughty star]

I have uncanny 4

I just need that sweet sweet slaughterer to drop

For illisi that is

[stone canyon]

Any specific maps to have guaranteed Dregs?

[haughty star]

Idk what to put on demos if I get another great one

[haughty star]

Every map has dregs

[haughty star]

They're like the dudes with clubs that hurt if you fuck up and get hit by em

[stone canyon]

Feels silly i have to run around meleeing em instead of using my main ranged weapon

[haughty star]

ADS

[strange fox]

Is anyone els here willing to look into the effects of perfect timing and perilous combution/wildfire ? specifically on a gun i guess. cuz that's what i use

[midnight jolt]

What is "mettle" on this sentence?

Shred is the recommended way as it scales better with Mettle

[haughty star]

This is why I have a scriers melee build lmao

[strange fox]

tho i don't see how the weapon type matters to perfect timing effecting the 2 other nodes

[strange fox]

it's a node on the psyker that replenishes toughness on criticals and gives movement speed stacking 3 times

[midnight jolt]

I looked at everything, didn't see it 😂

I have it on all my builds

[strange fox]

the first right side node

on psyker

[hearty oak]

Do teammates who melee enemies count towards your weeklies?

[long wharf]

yes

all kills and mats are given to all players

[haughty star]

Kinda going for a melee (illises/deimos)/recon lasgun-toting psyker (horde) with smite

[hearty oak]

Lmao. Do a mission. Get zero kills

completes the challenges anyways

[haughty star]

Just as a meme build for auric

[hearty oak]

Thanks fatshark

[haughty star]

Oh that's neat

[strange fox]

why go down the left side of the bottom tree and not keep to the right ?

[haughty star]

Disrupt is really inconsistent

Especially melee focused

[strange fox]

comparitively when disruption does go off it's more damage tho right

?

[haughty star]

I think with 15 and the 30 second they're about even

But you lose all stacks if you miss your window, with WS the stacks fall off one at a time

My theory is by the time you get done with scriers you have warp charges maxed again and you can just have constant uptime of some sort

[shadow wigeon]

Soul blaze is boosted by any effects that boost warp damage, “all damage”, power, and +damage perks on the weapon you are holding. Perfect timing, warp rider, perks all add to it.

[strange fox]

that's interesting i don't understand why the dot damage didn't go up then.

maybe i'm just dum dum

[shadow wigeon]

What specific thing are you testing?

[strange fox]

testing if perfect timings 3% warp damage effects to ticks on perilous combustion and wildfire. as i said after killing the poxhound the sould blade damage on the elite next to it was ticking for 9 damage, after removing perfect timing and shooting the poxhound again the tick damage on soulblade was still 9

where is the 3% damage increase?

[spice veldt]

just a single stack of perfect timing?

[strange fox]

i didn't check on how many stacks i know i had it cuz the damage to the dog were going yellow

[strange fox]

i'm using the Graia so i would expect with scryer active it's going to crit somewhere on killing the poxhound

[magic kayak]

instead of 25% to maniacs what should I put on there?

carapace I just hit with DS or stagger with the staff and let someone else take them out

[haughty star]

I have damn near the same roll and I do unyielding cuz it tazes everything else anyway

[magic kayak]

good point

plus boss dmg

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/r2pu9o

with 9 damage, you'd need 4 or 5 perfect timing stacks to determine whether it's working or not because of rounding

[hearty oak]

Cause fs still hasn't found the cure for the disruption to disrupt destiny

[haughty star]

Just better guaranteed uptime tbh

I wish they'd fix the CDR with scriers and WS too tho

[hearty oak]

I love disrupt. I just don't love that I can get it to work for 90% of 50% of the time

[haughty star]

Yeah I was rocking it and when I could get the 30 stacks I'd basically put a good zealot to shame but that was about 20 percent of the time lol

[hearty oak]

He'll, I wish they made the middle node for it worth grabbing. Instead of 10% it can be 20 or something. But we gotta have a lot of chance for something to be good

[strange fox]

how do % work in this example lol

[haughty star]

Like the quote from anchorman lol

[hearty oak]

It's a reference to sethezeentech. Basically, the skill sometimes works

[strange fox]

oh

[haughty star]

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time

DD is sex panther

[thin eagle]

What are the best blessings for mk IV blaze sword and mk II purgatus force staff

[haughty star]

Which blaze sword?

[thin eagle]

4

[haughty star]

If it's illises you'll want slaughterer and uncanny/unstable power

[hearty oak]

It's deimos

[thin eagle]

This one

[haughty star]

If it's demos you want uncanny and whatever else seems clever to you

Probably unstable or riposte

Imo

[thin eagle]

What about the force staff

[haughty star]

I don't use purg but warp flurry is never a unsafe bet

[thin eagle]

Thx

[haughty star]

I got a buddy who swears by terrifying on it for the cower effect but I think there's a critical one that's more worthwhile

[thin eagle]

Warp nexus

[magic kayak]

yeah supression actually is really slept on

it provides a reliable cc around you when hordes are surrounding you

[stone canyon]

Took forever for youtube to process, theres my newbie Psyker gameplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEWZBRWGomQ

[magic kayak]

which mod is the lvl beyond 30?

[haughty star]

Yeah that thing ain't great with bossing is it

[limber silo]

Does suppression work on melee enemies?

[mighty fractal]

Yes

[spice veldt]

only on groaners and maybe something else I'm forgetting

[mighty fractal]

Enemies right next to you will cower in fear when Terrifying Barrage procs

[haughty star]

Idk every time he's doing his thing everything cowers down

[midnight jolt]

is bad isn't it?

[limber silo]

well now I think TB might be BiS for surge

[mighty fractal]

it's actually a decentish talent for hording, but it's competing against the two big crit and cast time blessings on purg

[limber silo]

So you can actually to HVT focus without getting chewed up

[haughty star]

313 is pretty Flippin bad as a rule yes

[limber silo]

horrendous

[midnight jolt]

yeah, just wanted to be sure before selling

[strange fox]

I wish the Trauma staff had a melee attack, i just wanna use the staff as a melee weapon and give mobs Trauma

[haughty star]

Deathspitter 3 isn't terrible to grab jf you don't have

[strange fox]

like psyker staffs are basically melee weapons

[haughty star]

It does stack albeit it doesn't say so

[limber silo]

I'm always tempted to get the better descriptions mod, but I can just remember the finicky parts of most blessings

[haughty star]

I don't really like mods on any video game

Like I know how to do them even through the old school program files way but it just always seems cheezy to me

[limber silo]

I don't use any mods that change gameplay in any mod

I only use qol and clarity mods

Like, "organize the mission board so I don't have to look for a damnation mission" or "Ignore the useless launcher every game seems to have nowadays"

[dusk void]

Hey, so I'm kinda new to the game but I'm a level 30 psyker with okay weapons and curious. I just want thoughts on this layout

[limber silo]

well we can't see anything from that screenshot. What are your perks and blessings on stuff?

your power levels seem decent at least

[near drift]

Haven't messed with surge staff yet, it's just nexus/flurry for blessings right?

[prime elk]

yeah

[dusk void]

I do have 2 better staffs.

[strange fox]

now that my Gunker is almsot done i wonder where do i take it from here

[hearty oak]

Build out all the staffs and be top damage with all 4 of them

[haughty star]

Change out infested and unarmored for unyielding and carapace or maniac on the surge there

[strange fox]

maybe just spam brain burst

brain burst the horde

one at a time

[hearty oak]

You do that when you're realize you aren't doing much with the fire stick

Purge staff makes me wish there was a high knockdown melee for it

[quasi junco]

who here goes by Aerith? Arcotash?

[magic kayak]

purge staff already has high stagger

just use the l1 its low dmg and stacks but high stagger

[spice veldt]

nah I'm a mussat

[limber silo]

I'd recommend you get warp nexus if you insist on using blazing spirit for trauma. Your FS is alright. Would highly recommend you stop using wound curios tho. Green stim basically makes them useless and the wound curio actually makes you heal less

[hearty oak]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-no-way-noo-absolutely-not-gif-20244171

[lyric burrow]

me, how come?

[magic kayak]

It is though. You can easily l1 crushers, ragers, maulers, and keep them off anyone and everyone

I use run n gun on my purg staff just for that reason. sprinting around a corner? l1 the whole group and they all stagger while you charge up some fire

[quasi junco]

oh we just played together, with Dar, you watched me get skill issued by a mauler

[hexed frigate]

whats the best combat blade to use on psycher for dashing forward

[spice veldt]

Dar being josho

[lyric burrow]

ah yeah

it happens lol

[spiral minnow]

any easy way to cheese warp battery?

[stone canyon]

I want to sleep already 😭

[spiral minnow]

i just let 3 quests non completed... rather gonna sleep .)

[misty cypress]

does smite count as ranged kills

[rare mesa]

ok so i tried perilous and warpfire with surge staff

auric

[lyric burrow]

@spice veldt i tried the recon build

[stone canyon]

20ish Trauma Staffs upgraded today in hopes of Blazing blessing, no luck

[midnight jolt]

Charge rate is not good but I won't let that stop me:

[cosmic sigil]

the perks on the curios are fine but you'd better have a tg curio instead of a wound

[hearty oak]

@plucky flax Absolutely dominates melee maelstroms

[grim inlet]

just had a match where the first time i lost all my health i just straight up died? i had no corruption

[wind spruce]

Is that damage from the OG Scoreboard mod?

[hearty oak]

Yeah

[wind spruce]

I can guarantee it will be overinflated by a good 30%, but still nice work!

[hearty oak]

How so

[wind spruce]

The OG Scoreboard mod has an issue wherein it adds phantom damage on some overkills. It's particularly an issue with the trauma staff since it overkills so much,
/so often.

[cosmic sigil]

Yes, soulblaze too

[hearty oak]

I dont doubt it but its better than Not having an end of match stats. The alt more specific stats mod is just pure autism

[wind spruce]

#psyker-class message

[lyric burrow]

you can get the new one and just turn off the stuff you dont want to see

[wind spruce]

Yeah you still smashed it, I just have a compulsion to repeatedly point out this bug because it's aggregious the original publisher hasn't fixed it

Ovenproofs extension fixes the issue

[hearty oak]

Ill still take it. Big numbers activates neurons

[wind spruce]

I'd rather have accurate numbers than an inflated ego

[hearty oak]

Its not about ego, just more fun. And reminds me of payday 2

[wind spruce]

How is it more fun once you know the numbers are wrong?

[hearty oak]

Refer back to my previous message.

I dont really care for the huge accuracy of total damage. Does it count kills? Yes. Does it show damage of how much people did? yes. Do i care if its insanely accurate? No

[wind spruce]

Don't post your trauma scores with it then. It's literally the weapon that suffers most from the overinflation

[wet belfry]

Beauty

[midnight jolt]

if this was a colomnus

[hearty oak]

I still will

[midnight jolt]

I guess is alright now:

until I get warp flurry 2, 3 or 4

[strange fox]

hey, which of Fully auto laz guns has the highest damage ? or better yet which compares closest to the Graia MK VIII

thinking the laz guns inferno blessing might synergize well with my Gunker build

[hearty oak]

I thought the very same thing

and then i was told its in a sad state, its not worth using

[strange fox]

sadness

[hearty oak]

or trying that very idea

[strange fox]

like the recon gun that i picked up which is supposedly A on tier lists MK VIIa though grey takes twice as long to kill a gunner than my Graia

[wind spruce]

They nerfed the recons because vet and siblings suffered for it

[strange fox]

have you tried the Recon MK II ? my friend suggested it to me. at first glance it's damage comparison is abysmal but tired shooting and it's just shy of my Graias speed. and a bit lower on the damage, however it's a grey Recon and i don't have the infernal blessing. i would like to hope it can match my Graia if it had perks and blessings to match

[hearty oak]

Still isnt worth using. Its just going to be overshadowed by the columns IAG till fatshark buffs it again

[strange fox]

well everything is overshadowed by the Colum i chose to try the Agri, and the Graia for if or when the Colums nerfed i didn't waste my time chasing the best colum V

but i would have to imagine the laz guns are still worse than the Agri and Graia

[hearty oak]

Go for it then. Im just sitting on a good recon till the devs realize no one uses it for a good reason

[strange fox]

well what i'm asking you here is. do you think a fully blessed Recon can compete with a fully blessed Graia or agri or is it worse than even both of those ?

[hearty oak]

Not at all. Graia is just a toned down 'balanced' version of the columns

agri maybe

[strange fox]

after all i don't have the infernal blessing so i have no way to tell how the damage changes with burn stacks ontop of soulburn

[ornate hamlet]

Graia having roughly the same mag size and less fire rate makes me like it more

Agri has funny damage per shot and still a nice mag size and fire rate

[radiant sleet]

is Melk store shared between different players?

if yes I see a surge IV voidstrike

[lyric burrow]

the extra effective range on graia over colmnus is nice but columnus ttk is so low i doesnt even matter usually

melk is seperate

between all players

[radiant sleet]

thank you, I was not sure

if I didnt already have surge I would be hyped but I am camping out deflector 4 and Uncanny 4

[strange fox]

think they'll ever buff the laz guns?

[lyric burrow]

like recon?

[marble crater]

But blessings are shared, right? So still good

[haughty star]

Deflector 4 isn't so important, any version of it is gonna be fine tbh

[strange fox]

well all the lazguns including the recon

[haughty star]

Just so you know the block efficiency bonus from it ONLY impacts ranged attacks

[haughty star]

If hipfiring the 7 is pretty hilarious

[strange fox]

tried recon 7 it wasn't great it was worse than the recon MK II in comparison

which i find odd cuz stat wise it's damage stats are higher than MK II

[haughty star]

It's the highest fire rate one. I have a 7 and it basically auto aims for skulls if you aim in their general direction

[cinder niche]

Guns in this game are so underpowered as a whole lol…when we getting a sniper

[haughty star]

They have it it's just disguised as a revolver

[strange fox]

wait is VIIa 12 or 7 ?

might be mistaking it for 12

and haven't tried 7 yet

[haughty star]

7 I mean lol

[lyric burrow]

how are guns in this game underpowered

iags are crazy

brautos are very good

the non recon las guns/maybe mk 4 infantry is very good

revo is fucking crazy

kant/lawbringer are good

[strange fox]

Colum is broken, Agri and Graia are really awesome guns that can kill fairly quickly it's so satisfying to mag dump and see like 5-6 gunners die

[haughty star]

I feel like the recons are good people just use them for the wrong reasons lol

[flat moat]

what blessing do i want on the trauma staff?

[lyric burrow]

eh recon is usable but feels notably worse than the autoguns

[strange fox]

what reasons other than RP to use them ? i want to use them to see if i can synergize it with soulburn damage, but like looking at Infernus. it looks good against bosses tho good luck as a gunker applying soul burn to a boss. but against Elites i'm thinking other than Crushers and bulworks / reapers i don't think anything would live long enough for infernus to matter.

[midnight jolt]

I can't use surge staves

[strange fox]

whats the range on dumdum ?

i often wonder if i'm to far for dumdum to proc

[prime elk]

close range is like 8m right?

haven't tested though

[strange fox]

hm

[haughty star]

6 or 8m

[haughty star]

I personally use them on a deimos brain burst build for mowing back hordes quick

[strange fox]

i'm sure dumdum is a better option than sustained fire. in my head tho i'd think sustained fire is more reliable and will happen more often than dum dum

[ornate hamlet]

I will murder you

[strange fox]

otherwise if you happen to be shooting from far away one of your blessings isn't doing anything

[strange fox]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-burgundy-escalated-quickly-gif-9744555

[tribal girder]

Guys, in fire reborn or psychic vampire? Which one is better

[strange fox]

wut?

[tribal girder]

Assuming I am running a purg staff build with shriek

Bottom left keystone subnodes

[wind spruce]

It's a close call even with a full warpfire build.

[strange fox]

have to wonder is the las pistols are better than the rifles for a burner build

probably worse do to ammo

[tame venture]

i was considering buying this staff just for nexus 4 but is it servicable?

there's also wrath4 too

[wind spruce]

It's really good. Switch out stam and blazing spirit for flak and surge

[tame venture]

should i grind my old staff for surge4? lol

[ornate hamlet]

Vampire allows you to do nothing and still have a chance to get charges back

[wind spruce]

Your old one is great too

[zinc phoenix]

Vampire and it’s not even close. If you are in a thing with a Burgatus pysker and have IFR you will basically never get charges. If both of you are Burgatus users you’ll probably wipe you’ll either get all the charges or none. With PV you don’t care who kills what you just get charged.

Soulfire credit isn’t shared even if you both apply so it’s a total mess

[tame venture]

yeah but is it worth shredding for the blessing is what i usually run into

eh fuckit doing that

[tribal girder]

Thx a lot!

[long wharf]

this is totally wrong

[zinc phoenix]

So you don’t believe that soulfire overwrites ownership?

[long wharf]

it's not about ownership

In Fire Reborn doesn't care who owns the soulblaze

unless the talent was reworked for patch 13, all psykers with the talent active get the 10% chance for warp charge when an enemy dies with soulblaze stacks

[proud torrent]

Which of these two should I use?

I think the right one is better, but the left has strengths in things that matter a lot

This is on a smite build btw. Crit is a big deal

[orchid shadow]

Left one. You can change crit to flak and it'd be okay. Base crit on Surge is high enough as it is, the relative gain you'd get is small.

[ornate hamlet]

What does crit do for a smite build and what is a smite build?

[long wharf]

double checking the code, it looks like it still works the way it used to

templates.psyker_soul_on_warpfire_kill

[proud torrent]

It may only help the surge staff as I look at it. I'll have to review this

[orchid shadow]

If you're using Perfect Timing, Surge crits increase warp damage, which is really isn't much for smite and as far as I know, Smite can't crit.

[magic hull]

archive my maelstrom build in case fatshark decided to delete the my preset again.

[wind spruce]

Necro reply, but warp charges don't effect scriers gaze cooldown. Definitely not worth the point investment just for the damage

[ornate hamlet]

Brave is the man who takes 8% damage sometimes over kinetic deflection

[wind spruce]

The only time it ever comes in useful for me is ressing or if someone aggroes a demon host

[onyx sentinel]

update when

[proven crest]

Kinetic deflection + block efficiency + 3 stam let's you stand in the middle of 9 ragers and not really care

Not saying you should take it if you don't feel the need, but it is funny

You get to super not care with warp resistance

[scarlet timber]

WHAT IS THE BUILD

on elissi

and

deimos?

[vapid sky]

hey gamers I have a question about the psyker pennance "malleus monstorum" the one where you gotta kill a monstrostity with brainburst. Is there a difference between Brain burst and brain rupture or is it considered the same in terms of the pennance?

[urban sandal]

same thing

[vapid sky]

thanks gamer

[haughty star]

idk man. it's 24 damage, it's better than no boost and there's not a whole lot you'd sensibly need to spec out to. i know scriers doesn't get the bonus but having the bonus damage is better than no damage when scriers effect is down

the 10 percent peril isn't one i'd invest in as it's not really a peril heavy build, aside from that there's not much as far as neccesity it's missing lol

[shadow wigeon]

I assume he is referring to the point in Warp Battery, which is of much less value.

If you stay at 6 stacks for a long time, and only pop Scrier's ocassionaly. Or get hunt elites to get stacks back quickly, then it can be alright. But of you use Scrier's often, you may not get much from Warp Battery

[wind spruce]

nah i mean the whole warp charges with scriers thing is just a waste

[haughty star]

i mean for what end?

[shadow wigeon]

It's definitely not a waste. You can get Tranq stacks back very quickly in Scriers, and stretch it out even longer.

[haughty star]

nonconsistent DD points that half the time don't stay stacked because it puts the enemies in dumb ass places?

[shadow wigeon]

It depends what staff this is for.

[haughty star]

it's just a melee meme build for illisi and using a recon lasgun

[elfin roost]

Aint this blessing combo insane?

Horrible modifiers and perks but the blessings

[shadow wigeon]

OIC. Yeah.... that's a lot of points for Gunker. You're giving up True Aim, move speed..... that's tougher

[haughty star]

the gun is second thought it's mostly just a illisi masher

[shadow wigeon]

I've enevr tried it, but I suppose fi you can stretch it out a long time with quelling and tranq then maybe.

[haughty star]

it works okay in auric so i mean. i tried DD but it's just so inconsistent

[shadow wigeon]

In my experience the Illisi smashing is not very thrilling. Illisi is good, but psyker melee is just a bit limited. But yes if you want o lean into that, then DD is hopeless.

and True aim has no value

[wind spruce]

If its really an illisi build its inconsistent af

Soulstealer you have

but no quietude, battle meditation, one with the warp

[haughty star]

soulstealer procs off warp kills....

which the sword is a warp kill charged

you can gain like 50 percent or more toughness in one swipe lmao you don't need no quietide

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah soulstealer doesn't make sense. I would take Quiet.
Battle meditation only feels great to me when you have some kind of AOE removal.

[wind spruce]

if i was increasing my peril with charging the illisi during scriers id want battle med

[shadow wigeon]

Mettle should keep you solidly healed as it is, in melee.

[wind spruce]

especially if you're already stacking peril reduction

[haughty star]

eh it's a nice gimme. psyker is glassy if you fuck up lol

[shadow wigeon]

Are you charging your sword constantly? I woud prefer to just swing and let Mettle and kills return the toughness. Then Quiet becomes free toughness when you quell during Scrier's

rather than having to chase warp kills specifically,

[haughty star]

i charge pretty frequently yeah because it's a lightsaber lol

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah but how much toughness would you get during that charge just from mettle and kills? Soul stealer is going to activate very rarely on that build.

Without a staff, soul stealer does very little

[haughty star]

every kill with a charged attack procs soulstealer

it's nice to have to claw your way out of a bad spot

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah but ever single target you hit on every crit procs mettle, which is much more toughness anyway.

And toughness off large targets, all targets etc.

Trade that point for PC and get mad soulblaze

[haughty star]

yeah but i don't deem when i get a critical. at least with soulstealer i can guarantee myself a instant gib

idk seems like a no brainer to me for one point lmao

wait which one is mettle again

[shadow wigeon]

You do you, but with Shred on your Illisi you're ~20% crit

[haughty star]

i do slaughterer and uncanny on illisi cuz you can basically proc both in one swing and it does okayish against armored targets procced

[wind spruce]

Don't make his build even worse by suggesting shred lol

[shadow wigeon]

I can see how it works, I just think Soulstealer is NOT good in a pinch, because you have to rely on the kill.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah if you do charge a lot it will work, but try a run without it sometime see how it goes. When the toughness is easy to get in big blocks (a horde) is also when you need it least.

[haughty star]

did you miss the whole "meme" part?

not "build one of the three meta ways to build a psyker" build lol

[shadow wigeon]

Shred is great on Illisi for Mettle procs, and Perfect Timing if you have a staff... not gunker though.

[wind spruce]

I think you're confusing meme with off meta

[haughty star]

oh you're right

i forgot you get to deem what my build is

my b dude

[wind spruce]

No brother that's just basic definitions

[shadow wigeon]

This discord has a very distorted view of builds anyway, since you can run virutally anything you like on auric damn and its fine.

[wind spruce]

I'm not saying you should change the overral direction of the build haha

[spice veldt]

devious; how did it go

[haughty star]

i mean you said i waste points by putting them in to the only capstone that makes sense lol

dd suxxx

[wind spruce]

Lmfao. It really doesn't.

[haughty star]

if you're tryna melee only it will fuck you. having the 24 from WS is better than the nothing you have half the time from dd

[shadow wigeon]

DD is a pain, but it works ok wit Void, and presumably a bunch of guns besides revolver. It's dog shit for melee.

The main advantage of DD is point investment from Scrier's, True Aim for free, and if you already invested in KD you're part of the way there.
The effects of DD are really great IMO. Speed, toughness, damage boost all comparable.

But some weapons just don't work with it.

Becuase of how miserable it can be to get

[haughty star]

i actually found a really cool recon vii is the reason im using that lol it's got 80 everything but mobility is 60 and it ended up with dum dum 4 and 25 maniac

so im able to run flakiak, not really sure what to run for the other bless.

[haughty star]

melee revolver build with dd would actually be lit the fuck uppp. basically pop revolver out to pop the pain in the ass ones it spawns the full 25m away or whatever tf it is lol

but i actually don't wanna use revolver cuz that's my vet experience lol if i main something on one char i don't like to use it on others if that makes sense

[lyric burrow]

Its like

Not awful

But aggressively mid

Your just better off with an autogun

Gonna try infantry lasguns next see how that compares

[haughty star]

IMO recon lasguns only strong suit is the hipfire seems to have some weird ass like auto aim

but idk why that would be more useful than anything else other than just aimlessly punching holes in hordes lol

[eager token]

this worth grabbing from melk

[shrewd shard]

which of the 2 smite skill upgrades is better?

are they ever worth taking?

[eager token]

the +% damage one is decent but i only ever use smite to stagger then knockback personally im never really holding it longer than a couple secs

[shrewd shard]

im using it mainly for CC

[eager token]

yeah the cc'd enemies take moer damage is the trait

[shrewd shard]

w a surge staff for elites

[eager token]

from your allies

[shrewd shard]

okay that seems good

[eager token]

it is if you'r eholding it for a while

[shrewd shard]

what keystone u use?

[eager token]

idk if it coutns on the staggered ones tbh

warp charge mostly ig

[haughty star]

neither really apply to right click

the horde clear right click the damage don't apply to it it's only left click

[ornate hamlet]

Neither of the smite upgrades really are worth the hassle of spending a point

One is bugged like mentioned above, and the other is... well, smite already stuns a shitload of enemies

[shrewd shard]

yeaaaa

thats what i though

i use smite too much

as a psyker im always going nuts w staggers but shit w raw damage

[eager token]

i only use smite for the rager armies that spawn

maybe a horde if we're pressured

[wind spruce]

I appreciate being able to tap left click and hit two enemies

[hearty oak]

Nerds

[near wyvern]

That's bullshit, I have tested multiple times Enfeeble affects RMB as well. It's just that 60DPS * 1.1 = 66DPS which isn't that great.

But I would say the upgrades aren't worth it. Lighting Storm only seems to apply to LMB cause RMB spreads so fast anyways. If you need a quick interrupt on a couple enemies you can just do a couple quick LMB taps, if you need more than that you should just charge an RMB while sliding.

And Enfeeble isn't that great cause you only want to hold on to Smite as long as you have to and then continue with damage. You dealing damage is greater than 10% boost to smite + team damage.

[restive slate]

I cannot go back to Venting Shriek on Purgatus, Scryiers Gaze is too much fun

[plucky flax]

Veri pro

[lethal minnow]

Hey what's good melee you can recommend for gun psyker? I'm using as ranged Columnus MK5 and wonder what are good options for melee

Also which is better for Columnus: Fire Frenzy or Deathspitter?

[near wyvern]

Knife 6 or DS4 with that gun

[near wyvern]

Fire frenzy

[lethal minnow]

Alright, but can i know why? Just interested to understand more

[near wyvern]

Deathspitter is power (which gives you impact, cleave, and damage by the X%). Columnus doesn't do any proper staggers, it also doesn't cleave even with the power.

So what you are left with is the choice between a bit more damage (deathspitter) or a lot more damage (fire frenzy) when you have enemies in your face.

[lethal minnow]

fair, i was thinking about something like that but i really wasn't sure what impact was doing. Thanks

[lethal minnow]

As for melee options did you meant Catachan Mk6 Blade and Catachan Mk4 Devil's Claw?

[near wyvern]

In any case make sure you have dumdum on it before fire frenzy. Dumdum activation range is around 30m, Fire Frenzy is 7m.

[near wyvern]

Blade 6 or Duelling Sword 4

[lethal minnow]

What blessings are good for them? I really didn't experienced with either of them

[young ridge]

I can change one more thing. What do I change?

[lethal minnow]

I think this should suffice, i was trying to do better but i'm already burned like 8k plasteel for this damned guns

[wind spruce]

Change unarmoured

Pick based on what you're going to use the sword go kill.

Specialists, crit chance, flak, carapace and unyielding are all legit options

[wind spruce]

What blessings and perks do you like on the knife?

[young ridge]

So it's between crit chance and carapce. Why crit chance?

[old flame]

is it better to spam with the surge staff or charge?

[young ridge]

Generally better to charge it

For damage

Spam it if you babysit teammates rushing into ogryns or ragers they can't handle

[old flame]

thats what i thought

I normally use warp siphon, but im thinking maybe DD will work better with the surge staff

[young ridge]

I would not use DD with any staff

Especially not surge, it struggles big with accuracy

It's not encessarily bad, but I would not

[near wyvern]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[near wyvern]

#psyker-class message

[near wyvern]

Swap carapace damage into flak and it's good to go

[near wyvern]

Either unarmoured into carapace or unyielding or then riposte into shred.

Depends a bit if you need more melee power against crushers or monstrosities if you need to dive hordes under ranged fire.

[lethal minnow]

Carapace to flak? I'm also pretty often like to take flak, but doesn't carapace also a good option here? I saw this option from one content maker and i'm just not sure now which is really better. Everything flak already easly falls apart except maulers, but with carapace it is easier to bring crushers down. Perhaps I don't understand something?

[frigid relic]

What’s good for auric? Is bubble a necessity?

What do you guys usually run

[lethal minnow]

A bubble smite psyker for me is always is a nice thing to see, however it's mostly support and crowd control oriented then just pure damage, so you really need to be sure about your team

I liked to play this way, however i just couldn't always count on randos so i eventually switched to Assail build

[frigid relic]

Yeah I’m not saying I’m the best player but going full support has been deadly for me

[lethal minnow]

Well it's not "full" support, but damage hindered a bit and it hard to carry

[frigid relic]

I got a revolver for small issues and the Ilsi force sword

[lethal minnow]

But with atleast average team it's immenesly helpful role

Revolver i think could work nicely, but you need ammo for it. Personally i was using void staff

[frigid relic]

It’s just to get me out of a pinch and also I don’t have any good orange staffs

[young ridge]

Recently I have been using illisi and trauma with bubble and brain burst, empowered psionics

It's quite support oriented

[frigid relic]

Brain burst is so nice for those snipers on the other end of the map lol

Mmm

[lethal minnow]

Void is good as it have both single damage, spash damage and crowd control. I would call it like good single dmg, mediocre splash and mediocre CC

[young ridge]

Typically not used like that in auric but yeah

[lethal minnow]

Eh for me it is too slow, faster to charge void or throw an auto aim assail shard with M2

[tame venture]

tbh i don't know if void staff is good single damage.
like idk why but it doesn't give that impression to me for things you really want it on, like bosses or crushers

[young ridge]

Yeah void is kinda weird

[tame venture]

honestly, to me void is the "launch a fully charged head destroyer through a crowd" staff

[young ridge]

Which is satisfying

[tame venture]

oh for sure

[spiral minnow]

i miss the vt2 beam staff... boss dmg + crowd control .)

[young ridge]

Any force staff will work for auric honestly

But void would be my last pick

[lethal minnow]

It has some penetration so a clown car out of crushers get dealt with pretty easly, and if you get some crit on it and this blessings..

It will just oblitirate crushers on crits

[tame venture]

i just got a surge/nexus crit void staff today, so maybe i should try using it on crushers

wait, secondary attacks?

the big destructo ball?

[young ridge]

Yeah

[lethal minnow]

It works on secondary on void

Don't worry

idk about this tip

[tame venture]

i heard it was weird for trauma or something

[spice veldt]

yeah it's only trauma's secondary that it doesn't work on

[young ridge]

That would be WILD

They would have to rename it the nuke staff

[spice veldt]

surge + blazing spirit

[lethal minnow]

But you would need to get used to edging with nexus void, higher peril = more crit chance and more damage due to passive wich means much more dps but much more risky gameplay. It gets a max bonus on 80% peril

[young ridge]

Make it work, but instead of two projectile/double damage, make the aoe twice as big

[tame venture]

oh i do try to edge my perils in general

[lethal minnow]

I just didn't played a while with void so now i prefer to stay on like 50-60%, but really on void the optimal gameplay is to collect peril, charge so you shoot at 80%+ peril, quell the way so you can fastly shoot again at 80%+ peril

So yeah you need to constantly shoot at 80%+

[wanton lagoon]

purg staff dump stat?

[vestal fulcrum]

Technically Damage, but realistically Warp Resist to an extent also qualifies.

[wanton lagoon]

ok thx

yooo i got warp nexus 4

just now

[tame venture]

what does damage on purge staff do anyway?
i get how burn does most of the heavy lifting, but even if it was minor, wouldn't damage still be important?

[deep pine]

mkv not very good right? I want to put the shred on my mk IV which is similar rating.

[tame venture]

iirc the swords are mostly just different attack patterns

the 4 is prefered because of it's straightforwardness

heavies for pokes, lights for quick overheads

[harsh urchin]

lol no

the 4 is preferred because it does like 50% more damage for no specific reason

ya ; 5 and 2 are not as good currently.

[lethal minnow]

Damn i'm still trying different options for my melee for gun-psyker. I can't really find something horde clear oriented that will stick with me

I really like Mk4 Dueling and have a great experience with it, however i can't call it horde oriented

[frigid relic]

For me, it’s the Illisi

Nice force push too

It staggers crushers on force push

[plucky flax]

It does a lot lower damage than mk4. But it has crazy ass mobility.

[frigid relic]

Pretty rad if you get overwhelmed

[plucky flax]

If you're not using your sword much it's good.

Use mk5 to slide around zooming.

[lethal minnow]

Anything that generates peril isn't really an option for me. Even if i don't use power attack it still generates peril on push

[spice veldt]

only on the push-attack but not the push

[plucky flax]

If you want to use mk4 for horde you can use rampage. Still not amazing though but serviceable.

[cosmic sigil]

At that point. Use a knife no?

[lethal minnow]

Actually damn I'm just took my really old Illisi for testing and it's so good

[plucky flax]

Hrm different sort of thing. Mk5 more defensive than knife, worse monster damage but better crusher and maniac.

I feel like mk5 might be faster than knife even.

[lethal minnow]

Hm, but i'm afraid it can create some unwanted effects while using along with Scrier's Gaze

[cosmic sigil]

Did they change something about the illisi? I feel like there's some kind of lag (well maybe not but something) every time I use the special.

[cosmic sigil]

Oh oO

[spice veldt]

the peril generation is after the special activation now

instead of right when you press the button

[cosmic sigil]

Ok they changed something but not what I was thinking -_-

[proper tinsel]

good roll oui?

[mighty fractal]

Late but

Void last pick for auric huh(?)

ain't no way

[proper tinsel]

english?

im sorry that was rude

[mighty fractal]

Sorry was responding to what someone said earlier but didn't realize chat was scrolled down

Nah it's fine lol

[proper tinsel]

funny tho no?

[mighty fractal]

[proper tinsel]

[deep pine]

pretty decent but seems like you'll need to hit big on the second blessing

I've seen many ppl say blast radius is voidstrike dump stat, I have no personal experience with it though.

[proper tinsel]

oh merde i did upgrade it but i closed me gaem

un momente

[plucky flax]

Purga is dead last for me.

[proper tinsel]

blast radius is nice for stunning groups of gunners and shotgunners and the like

good stun for ragers too

[deep pine]

Ok so you guys think wait for uncanny4 / some other blessing / or change a perk

[wind spruce]

Maniac damage is highly recommended on duelling sword

[deep pine]

yeah forsure

[proper tinsel]

sick

[mighty fractal]

Unironically true

[deep pine]

Pretty serviceable, I would have change crit hit damage for something else personally.

[proper tinsel]

I played a lot of demoman

i like the projectile speed

[untold niche]

wait why did you put ranged critical hit d amage

nooo

could have put cara + surge

voidstrike psyker is not glass cannon, its glass nuke

[proper tinsel]

is it not a ranged weapon

[untold niche]

yeah but that perk imo isn't that good compared to cara
esp since you want to shoot crushers

[wind spruce]

Crit damage isn't good.

The issue is that it only effects the crit portion of the damage.

Eg: if you do 100 normal damage and 150 crit, adding 10% crit damage will make your total 155.

[proper tinsel]

that sounds like the game's fault for being wrong then my own tbh

[mossy surge]

You mean your gpu is dead last

[wind spruce]

Only a lil bit of plasteel to fix

No biggie

[frigid relic]

Exactly

[plucky flax]

My pc still turns on.

Just can't play games.

I still have my laptop though.

[mossy surge]

did it have a burning smell or just

died

[plucky flax]

No it's fine. Just crash my pc when it's underload.

It doesn't even get hot.

My screen goes pixelated then pc shut down.

[untold niche]

im in mael
vet doesn't know how to dodge dog
like legitimately doesnt' know
he just use shout for it

[mighty fractal]

Oof, that sucks

both the gpu and the vet

lmao

[untold niche]

wait im in wrong chat, im palying zeal so i should type in zeal

[mighty fractal]

naw you can commiserate in here

[untold niche]

a5mael btw :v

[mighty fractal]

i was bored last night and ran into a group of 3 friends that seemed to be new to auric

they kept grabbing both grims and dying multiple times

[untold niche]

for what, 20k dockets?

[mighty fractal]

i even suggested they toss them if they wanted to win, but nope

[untold niche]

one time i had 2 wounds and i kept telling the guy to drop the girm and he didn't
that guy wasn't even carrying and we were barely making it through

oh yeah, that same vet, three of us were dogged and he decided to solo boss

[mighty fractal]

[untold niche]

maelstrom, is it possible to get
mini monster + nurgle + wave of specialist/elite?

[vestal fulcrum]

Yes, it’s I-II-V-E-G

And it also includes a “Scab only” modifier

[untold niche]

that sounds very fun

why not have that as another always appearing difficulty :p

[mighty fractal]

I do wish Mostly Melee showed up on the regular auric map

it's a very fun modifier

I'll take that over Lights Out and Vent Purge any day of the week

[indigo creek]

I think the cliffhanger penance is glitch

it's stuck at 6/7

[ionic needle]

They need to add more maelstroms imo

It's kind of repetitive always getting the same three: specialists/blessing/mini bosses

mostly ranged and melee only are both incredibly fun but they're soooo rare

[spice veldt]

i want mostly melee just to run a grenade build on vet

[ornate hamlet]

Lights out, bruisers only and one-shot heavies

[spice veldt]

horrifying

[mighty fractal]

Nah Cliffhanger definitely works still

[indigo creek]

apparently not

I was on the vigil station pushing hordes of enemy off and it's still 6/7

[mighty fractal]

Weird

Then again, I got it through very bizarre means

I got it a couple weeks ago by spamming Trauma blasts over and over near one of the spawn corners on Warren

The one near the first medstation

it was completely by accident

[untold niche]

mostly melee + scab only?
thats the one with alot of crusher and mauler right

i don't know if this is crazy but
i found a5maelstrom more chaotic but a5histg harder (if there is no minimonsters) :v

[mighty fractal]

Yeah that's the one

it really depends on the seed

Sometimes the Director goes easy on you and you only see a few monsters

sometimes it decides to spawn in nonstop snipers and trappers

also depends a lot on the quality of your teammates

[untold niche]

what do

i play zealot for 1 week

now im bad on psyker

[rose kite]

stop playing zealot duh

weakest class imo

[dim current]

Zealot can help in making you more aggressive, I definitely think that can benefit

[edgy pulsar]

Psykers will see you cutting heretics in twain with an Eviscerator and claim "he is the weakest class!"

[static needle]

Does blast radius really matter that much when you have assail?

[dim current]

Depends, how much difference is there between the two’s blast radius?

[upper sun]

weak not weak idc we're easily the most fun class

"vets" are just chronic fps players that dont want to bother with skills or gameplay, ogryn cant dodge so stack health zealots deep down want to play other games but cant find a good warhammer fps

[mighty fractal]

and then psykers overheat three times a match and then leave

https://tenor.com/view/arisu-aris-arisu-blue-archive-arisu-dance-gif-446954797086686983

[edgy pulsar]

I don't understand leavers. you still get some dockets if your team wipes.

[tulip kettle]

blast radius is dump stat on void. Often a lower blast radius is better to more accurately hit what you want. Both of these are really good staffs, its just about +cara vs + flak and which you value more here

[untold niche]

if want to feel gud: cara
if want to have easier time (killing gunners) flak

me me runs cara + maniac

[untold niche]

i found ogryn to be the most fun if he wasn't so easy
swapped to zealot because i got bored on psyker

[eager mantle]

Seeing a wound psyker in my aurics

[mighty cipher]

Poxburster build

[edgy pulsar]

so is it generally seen as bad to ever EVER take even a single wound, ever?

[mighty cipher]

It’s a nice fallback to have if you want it

[untold niche]

i think alot of people here take 1 wound, but i don't personally
i rather just die and get revived on the next area

[edgy pulsar]

i mean it's not like one has to stack three wound relics

i just like having one

[eager mantle]

Nah take a single wound. 3 is a safe spot probably for most players. You'll get the try hards go "oh its bad" but fuck them. They aren't most players

I mean I don't take wounds anymore but a single one is a safety net

[untold niche]

i don't take any because im an average skilled player that would benefit more from the toughness gain

[edgy pulsar]

i briefly took several wound relics when i was doing that zealot penance to have 3+ stacks of martyrdom and get kills

[untold niche]

i never took wounds because i never "understood" them

[eager mantle]

It's moments like these I want a wound

[edgy pulsar]

i'm gonna say it, i think it was a mistake to make the health into clearly separated segments to show wounds, instead of having some sort of less harsh indicator

[untold niche]

at the very beginning i thought each wound was a flat amount of hp like in apex

[mighty cipher]

Why though?

[edgy pulsar]

see what the plasteel farmer said

[untold niche]

and then someone said: bro just look at the rightside of the bar

[eager mantle]

Wound zealot is generally the only build that takes multiple wound curios. But a single wound curio is a safety net for some players.

[edgy pulsar]

it makes it look like you sort of have more health bars, it's awkward.

[eager mantle]

I think purple bars off your max health is enough

[edgy pulsar]

why not just have some sort of pip, rather than a whole empty space

like... ---,---,--- instead of --- --- ---

[untold niche]

to be fair its a fairly small issue

[edgy pulsar]

it is.

[mighty cipher]

I think the way it’s currently done is fine. The numerical value next to your health should make it obvious enough

[untold niche]

esp since they giv eyou the flat hp

value

[edgy pulsar]

you know what i'd like? to see my "ammo color" indicator.

so i know how much ammo i can dare take compared to my allies

[eager mantle]

I think it's current version is minimalist and serves the purpose. You have your health segments locked out in purple that the tutorial even goes over

[untold niche]

that or it explodes on your teammate that didn't shove it

[mighty cipher]

Just remember the amount your gun holds?

[edgy pulsar]

but i swap guns pretty often

one shotgun gives me 100-something, another gives me like 60

[untold niche]

doesn't the small ammo always give like 1 mag

[eager mantle]

On PC?

[edgy pulsar]

yup

[untold niche]

and big ammo half % of your total

[eager mantle]

Mods

[edgy pulsar]

i thought smol ammo was like 10%

[edgy pulsar]

dost thou mayhaps knoweth of a mod that does that?

[mighty cipher]

It’s one number. It shouldn’t be that hard to remember.

[edgy pulsar]

i have shrunken-brain syndrome when i play this game

[mighty cipher]

Small gives like 20-25%(I don’t think that’s right anymore)

[edgy pulsar]

mfw there's a gunlugger ogryn that hoovers up all the ammo

[eager mantle]

Still need the other dependencies if you havent started modding at all. https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/14

[edgy pulsar]

i love the big dudes but phlz

[eager mantle]

I believe this is the one that gives you the option of seeing color for your ammo

[edgy pulsar]

very cool, big thank

what i like about playing full psyker is i can literally ignore ammo even existing

[mighty cipher]

That somehow reminded me that I need to find a mod to reduce the volume of the 100% peril warning.

[tulip umbra]

How the hell are you supposed to do warp battery with randos

[mighty cipher]

You want the cheesy way or the hard way?

[tulip umbra]

Cheese is fine

[mighty fractal]

It's more about the opportunity cost of giving up more toughness/hp/stam by taking a wound curio

[mighty cipher]

Melee enemy maelstrom. Literally free if you can survive long enough.

[mighty fractal]

Giving up a hp curio means a single poxburster does more than half your hp with no damage resistance up, and a sniper will put you near death (or kill you in most cases)

Giving up toughness means... well, giving up toughness for weathering shooters and chip damage

[tulip umbra]

Huh..thanks.. will need to try that once i'm done leveling

[untold niche]

i have the opinion that if you are a good player then you would benefit more from the wound curio
because you don't need the toughness and can survive bullshit deaths like poxbees

me me average player so me me take toughness

[edgy pulsar]

is it just me or do dogs don't make sound when spawning anymore

[mighty fractal]

1. Pick Hab Dreyko on Damnation
2. Bring a staff that has good crowd clear (Purgatus, Trauma), and take Psychic Vampire so that any kill within coherency can give you Warp charges
3. Drag out the finale for as long as possible

That's how I got it

[winter siren]

i take an extra wound on psyker so when i blow myself up im not left on 1 wound

[mighty fractal]

It's the other way around

[tulip umbra]

Game's sound system needs to be fixed in general,

[mighty fractal]

Good players know that no matter how well you play, you will always take unexpected damage

[untold niche]

i feel that way because no matter how good you are, you can't see the pox burster from behind you that just spawned off the door and it deet deet deet inside the box

[mighty fractal]

Toughness protects against heavy chip damage from shooters and gunners, as well as random chaff in melee

[mighty cipher]

It’s quite the opposite. If you’re good you’d rather have something else. The extra wound has ONE practical use for a high end player. Needing the med station less.

[mighty fractal]

health protects against big single hits, which is psyker's biggest weakness

[tulip umbra]

With green stims, more wounds makes it weaker

[untold niche]

meanwhile if you could position yourself so you take minimal damage you wouldn't need that much toughness

[mighty fractal]

The thing with sounds in this game is that I'm pretty sure things that shouldn't be hogging up the sound channels (mutants, Hound alert packs, etc.) are overriding all of the important sounds

[mighty cipher]

That’s in an ideal situation. This game likes to shit the bed though.

[untold niche]

and personally ,i rather have an easier time alive but die easier

[mighty cipher]

Crusher Footsteps

[mighty fractal]

Being able to soak more damage while alive > going down more often

[mighty fractal]

Meanwhile, Silent Mauler says hello

[mighty cipher]

Tell me the last time you actually heard a Crusher’s footsteps.

[mighty fractal]

If I die on Psyker, it's usually either to teammates blowing up pox bursters in my face (or silent bursters) or to silent Crushers and Maulers

[mighty cipher]

Also they gave the shotgunners the wrong hitsound

[mighty fractal]

Sometimes they're oddly loud

OH YEAH

Shotgunners sound like they're swinging ACME frying pans

[tulip umbra]

Silent maulers, immpossible to hear trapper until spool up

[mighty fractal]

it's hilarious

[untold niche]

i see this repeated alot but i seriously doubt that majority of the people who parrot this understand "sound channels"
its an intuitive term but i feel that its just people repeating what they heard that the yfound logical but don't know if its true

I do know that sometimes the audio fucks up for me though, i.e. sometimes for an entire second or two totally no sound

[winter siren]

maulers i usually hear the axe rev not them walking

[tulip umbra]

Remember when disabelers were impossible to not hear in vt2?

[edgy pulsar]

it doesn't help that from day one i sometimes struggle to differentiate the "horde spawn" sound and the "dog spawn" sound because there's a howl in the horde spawn sound

[mighty fractal]

But yeah, your average game can only handle so many sounds at once before the game literally starts to lag

[mighty cipher]

Speaking of shotgunners. Can we rename them to ”Beanbaggers”. Cause that what they load into their guns.

[mighty fractal]

I don't see many people talk about it

at all

Path of Exile had (still has) this exact problem

[lone ravine]

Gutter runners making noise for 3 years before finally running in to instantly get shot

[mighty fractal]

people were dying to random crap offscreen that wasn't making noise because too much crap was playing at once

Hookrats are still silent and are honestly more annoying than trappers are in this game sometimes

[winter siren]

you have limited sound channels. it is all to do with how the game prioritises which sounds go over the top of which other sounds

[mighty fractal]

^

[tulip umbra]

I barely played vt2 and i still remember the hook rat noise

[edgy pulsar]

hook rats silent? never were for me

rattliest boys

[tulip umbra]

Yeah, i'm saying they were super easy to hear

And identify

[mighty fractal]

It's most obvious if you go into a Hound modifier mission

[edgy pulsar]

i feel it's much easier to dodge a net than a hook at least.

[mighty fractal]

When the little dog pack spawns and starts barking, try blowing something up or using the trauma staff

[tulip umbra]

Unlike trappers, if you miss their spawn noise, their next indication is their spool up

[mighty fractal]

The sound will either bug out and cut out, or just not play at all. And that's likely because the little dogs take sound priority over almost everything else for some reason

[tulip umbra]

Right before they shoot

[edgy pulsar]

i've been conditioned to always dodge when i hear the trapper spool-shot sound

[mighty fractal]

trappers seem to have a bigger problem with directional sound

specials in general do in this game

as in, they'll sound distant but then actually be right next to you

[mighty cipher]

Good, means you’ve been properly traumatized.

[winter siren]

and then you dodge into a net aimed at your friend

[edgy pulsar]

getting netted and then not being helped out is the wooooorst

[mighty fractal]

The bigger thing with Hookrats is that they have some wonky client-host interactions

and can grab you from miles away

[tulip umbra]

The amount of time i dodged on spool sound into a mauler downswing is more than once...

[mighty fractal]

the hook will literally fly out of the rat's hands and you'll get vacuumed into the horde

[untold niche]

a5mael, one guy afk, three of us were playing like donkeys

wiped

[edgy pulsar]

ISTG whenever i encounter maulers it's always in a gaggle so i can't hit them with my funny sword

[untold niche]

i see that term alot here when the topic comes up.

[mighty fractal]

this is compounded by the fact that VT2 has fewer options in general for dealing with specials

[mighty fractal]

It's probably mostly me lmao

[untold niche]

probably

[mighty fractal]

but that is how sounds in games typically work

[edgy pulsar]

Bioshock 1 on pc had issues with that

[mighty fractal]

a game cannot play literally all the sounds at once without causing issues

[mighty cipher]

Tell me about it. I have an issue with obsessing over things that end up spawning behind us and it’s ALWAYS like 20 miles farther out than I think. So my team ends up seeing me staring at nothing for 20 seconds like a schizo^2 because I’m adamant that there’s a bomber ”””right””” behind us.

[edgy pulsar]

sounds would just cut out randomly at times

[tulip umbra]

I didn't play it for long so i never got to proper highest difficulties but weren't vt2 specials mostly a 1 ranged attack to kill?

[mighty fractal]

PoE even has an option to let you adjust how many sound channels could play at once

[mighty fractal]

For most ranged weapons, yes

[untold niche]

are you a sound engineer?
i doubt even a normal game dev require these sorta knowledge

[edgy pulsar]

i'm sure a game dev sound guy should know

[mighty fractal]

but those ranged weapons usually had to reload every shot

or fired slower

also VT2 has less movement

no sprinting to create distance, no sliding, etc.

[edgy pulsar]

i feel like VT2 specials were also more deadly

[mighty fractal]

no (but my brother is!)

I mean, this isn't arcane knowledge

[edgy pulsar]

like a hook rat can literally kidnap you and drag you off to god knows where

[untold niche]

because from what i can guess,
the sound is handled by the game engine.
And most likely you don't need to manually sort those sounds.

[mighty fractal]

People literally get fps drops because too many sounds play in PoE

[untold niche]

im not saying it is im just curious what you do

[mighty fractal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/azuvxq/fixed_my_synthesis_fps_drops_by_changing_sound/

Oh nah, I don't do sound stuff

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3229017

just a few random examples I found of people having issues with sound channels causing bad FPS drops in PoE

[untold niche]

i have no resentment towards you, but people online like to establish fake reliability and then comment on stuff.

There was some guy in general that told me VT2 used the same engine as l4d2.

[edgy pulsar]

there's something funny about how high-def graphics we have nowadays. and then the computer be like "oh noes too many sounds!"

[mighty fractal]

In the end, I'm just speculating about what's going on with the inconsistently quiet sounds in this game

and certain sounds overriding others

[mighty fractal]

That's understandable

Someone trying to argue that VT2 runs on Source is batshit though LMAO

[untold niche]

fake reliability can be as simple as saying "im a game dev too and etc etc"
You see that alot on youtube videos
sometimes what they say is a common logical conclusion that most people can come up with

[mighty cipher]

Volume issues probably aren’t tied to channel issues. It’s probably a mixing consistency issue.

[mighty fractal]

what the heck

I'd believe it

[untold niche]

it was way back when i was saying i found vt2 melee system to be overrated
either that or i was asking why people love it

but its in general of this server

[untold niche]

#general-chat message

@mighty fractal

[mighty fractal]

That would also make sense because FS had to manually turn up the sound for ragers and crushers

[mighty fractal]

Ohhhh

If I were to be charitable, I would think that maybe they're ESL and they mean to say like... VT2 uses the same kind of gameplay format as L4D2, not the literal same engine

but I dunno

[mighty cipher]

He’s using the term Engine “incorrectly”

[untold niche]

also, one personal pet peeve, that i admit is a pet peeve:
I find it really annoying that some people (e.g. could be family) confidently say something as though as its fact, but its a logical conclusion they come up with.
And then you have the facts.

But it makes me doubt myself if e.g. the other person has new information or my memory is bad

[mighty fractal]

yeah I'm thinking they misspoke due to lack of familiarity with the language or just not thinking of the correct term

[untold niche]

its also super annoying, they get pissed you are not listening to them

[mighty fractal]

I get what they're saying though

[mighty cipher]

I can definitely feel the Rager volume increase. Feels like they’re up in my ears 90% of the time. Not like I’m gonna complain though.

[mighty fractal]

oh trust me, I've given up on convincing close family of anything when they want to violently agree with me lol

[untold niche]

the only mechanic that they share is having sort of adaptive difficulty (which people call ai director)

[mighty fractal]

Yeah the volume bump on ragers was very noticeable

[untold niche]

the most funyn momment

is when i was telling my mother that my app couldn't open (old phone, so at first i was unsure if it was just the phone acting up or the app no longer supporting the android version)
So she told me to manually shut it down and restart it.

I didn't listen to her of course and did a restart.
She said "i told you to manually shut down!"
"i just replied her with, mom i work in tech, theres a reason why theres a restart feature"
then she just went "oh"

[mighty fractal]

they were super quiet on release

But yeah, that's why I always try to preface my sound channel theory with "what I think is happening" or some variation

because I'm just speculating based on what I'm experiencing

[mighty cipher]

Hey, at least you have evidence.

[mighty fractal]

but sound mixing is highly plausible since the game has had issues with it before

it's just very odd that the most dangerous units in the game seem to get drowned out or sound distant lol

meanwhile

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

[untold niche]

muties be saving you from dogs

[mighty cipher]

At least muties seem to not have many other sound issues. I can semi consistently dodge them purely based off feeling/sound.

[mighty fractal]

Until they toss you INTO a dog

or a net

Yeah their cues are consistent

dogs are now, too

I got tossed into a net today

was pretty funny

[mighty cipher]

Or grab you out of a chaos spawn throw

[mighty fractal]

Oh man

[untold niche]

before this week when i swapped to zealot , i could reliably nolook shove dogs with psyker on bark
now i can't. i.e. i shove them on the approaching bark instead of the actual warning

very sad

[mighty cipher]

You know how muties aren’t supposed to try to throw you off the map?

[mighty fractal]

I remember a monster specials maelstrom where someone got chain-thrown by two chaos spawns into a daemonhost

Chocob was in that game and I was hoping they'd include it in their highlight reel lol

shit was bonkers

[mighty fractal]

Oh they definitely can, in very strange spots

I got tossed into a pit by a mutant in the apartments area of Warren

like

[untold niche]

i had my singing get included in a classmate's csgo video

[mighty fractal]

he just straight-up chucked me across the gap

and I almost made it to the other ledge

but I fell and died

[mighty cipher]

It happens when they try to throw you into a spot that’s out of bounds but technically still walkable.

[mighty fractal]

Yeah I imagine they look for the nearest bit of empty, open ground

[mighty cipher]

I vaguely remember there being a spot where it happens consistently

[untold niche]

recentlyt i have been seeing people get thrown by muties or exploded onto the train map,
End area where the ship would land and the bridge come sout

[mighty fractal]

Yeah I've seen that happen before

[mighty cipher]

Oh and let’s not forget the classic mutie grab dragging you into bomber fire

[mighty fractal]

god that's the worst

or a chaos spawn holding you over a fire

mmm roast ogryn

[mighty cipher]

Actual wombo combo

[mighty fractal]

I had a trapper drag me PAST a fire puddle today

what a helpful pal!

Yeah that's some L4D versus shit

[mighty cipher]

Still better than the bugged 200 dps fire

Remember that shit?

I literally had to BEG people to not revive while someone was still in the flames

[untold niche]

you still can't revive someone in fire

instant die

2 tick and dead

im topping charts so surely im not the problem
can't be me

ok this one i joined and this is what i see

[deep pine]

You guys running 1 health 1 toughness 1 stam curio?

[steep fractal]

I take a wound instead of health

[earnest laurel]

I do. Used to run 1 wound. But I rarely go down with psyker. 1 stam, 1 thougness, 1 health is kinda the meta. Mostly because you can block really well with that 1 pskyer talent if you have 3 stam curio. Also if you run surge, you can slide around well and dodge, which helps with staying alive.

[plucky flax]

It's all preference. Personally I run 2 hp 1 toughness.

Don't be afraid to experiment.

[steep fractal]

Ive never been sure if the stam is actually worth it or if I've just gotten too used to being able to sprint longer than 3 seconds to take it off

[plucky flax]

I always run kinetic deflection so stam curios is not that valuable to me.

I guess it'd help me sprint more but I'd rather more hp.

[steep fractal]

Same, it's extremely rare i use stamina to block but i like being able to run around better to get plasteel and keep up with the team

[dim parrot]

at the start it was 2 hp & 1 toughness and now its 2 toughness & 1 wound

[plucky flax]

Power matrix spammer.

[deep pine]

I even have sprint efficiency on my stamina curio 😄

[haughty star]

The rage quit joins are actually my fave because it's just a quick plasteel grab

[hearty oak]

There's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes you can just offset a defense to snipers by not getting shot

[untold niche]

i think its sometimes they are trying to do the quit and rejoin as bot thing that i hate

[untold niche]

3 toughness, perks i go 3x cdr and 3x toughness regen

[untold niche]

does having more hp make you recv less poxb damage?

[untold niche]

finally one win on a5mael

[spice veldt]

yeah

they deal a flat amount of damage

they always inflict 100 damage, though it is apportioned differently depending on whether you're in the inner or outer radius

inner radius, you take 50 hp damage and 50 corruption
outer radius, you take 65 hp damage and 35 corruption

[haughty star]

I just do 2 tough and a real +3 Stam

[untold niche]

oh yeah i do 2x toughness and +3 stam, i forget im psyker now

[haughty star]

All 3 have health all 3 have toughness, 2 have block eff and one has Gunner result

[untold niche]

so sorry, so if you ahve 100 hp, half your hp will be gone AND that would be corrupted correct

[spice veldt]

if you have 100 hp out of 150 uncorrupted max hp, then you'd be put down to 50 hp (assuming inner radius)

since the corruption will eat into your uncorrupted missing HP

[untold niche]

thanks

base hp is 200 right

because everytime i eat a big one

half my hp become scorrupted

wait no, i think a quater?

[spice veldt]

psyker has 150 base

[untold niche]

i can't rmb clerarly

[steep fractal]

So you're saying if we get corruption resistance and always get hit by the inner radius it'll be just like we had poxburster resistance?

[spice veldt]

so if you get blown up from full to the inner radius, you'll get put down to 50 hp

with 50 of your max hp corrupted

assuming that corruption res works properly, yeah it should reduce that corruption

[steep fractal]

Does it completely ignore toughness?

[spice veldt]

yeah it ignores toughness completely

[untold niche]

wait talking about corruption resist,
if you die, and you are on corruption resist, does it take away less?

[untold niche]

i swear sometime i eat one and only my toughness is gone

[spice veldt]

nah, you always lose a health segment

[steep fractal]

No you still lose the whole wound

[spice veldt]

if your toughness was yellow, that's because of overtoughness

[untold niche]

nah, no vet shouting

[spice veldt]

as psyker?

[untold niche]

all 3 colours

[untold niche]

yeah

[spice veldt]

i can't say i've had the same experience

i'd watch the color of your toughness bar the next time you take a burster hit

[untold niche]

i do know that if you are yellow

it doesn't damage your hp

maybe it was yellow and i didn't pay attention

or like he shout last mintue

oh ya arco

i can't get the inneer damage thing in psk

i want to see

the damage xD

[spice veldt]

like the difference between the inner and outer?

[untold niche]

ya

i know there is a difference

but i can't get it to work

in psjk

[spice veldt]

at least in the above screenshot, you're already getting hit by the inner radius

[untold niche]

as in i want see diff of outer vs inner

[spice veldt]

the outer radius does 65 hp and 35 corruption (or i have the numbers flipped)

[untold niche]

i can't ge to uter to proc

[spice veldt]

even if you're at the edge of the explosion?

[untold niche]

ya, just no damage, im assuming the threshold for outer is very smol?

he died right there, no damage

any closer and its inner damage

wait is this outer

[spice veldt]

yeah

[untold niche]

looks like inner

[untold niche]

wait but my hp looks the same as here

[spice veldt]

you can take the medkit and heal yourself

and then calculate the difference

[untold niche]

no im already doing that xD

no matter what i do, either i don't get damaged or my hp goes to 65

i could stream if you are free

im just messing about

[spice veldt]

top is 50 damage and 50 corruption, and
bottom is 65 damage and 35 corruption

[untold niche]

how come both my hp ends up with 65 though?

[lyric burrow]

uhm its called overshield arco

[spice veldt]

it's inflicting the corruption first and then dealing damage

[spice veldt]

i hope you die from chastise

[lunar hollow]

not all of us are so bad at zealot

as to commit suicide via bridge

[steep fractal]

Put on corruption resistance and see if that changes the total damage or just how much is corruption

[lyric burrow]

i think you died from chastise yesterday arco

right off the edge

twice?

[untold niche]

oh

[spice veldt]

i could never

ONLY ONCE

BITCH

[lunar hollow]

he walked off a railing

[lyric burrow]

so you didnt chastise off a railing

[lunar hollow]

instead of chastising

he did that far more intentionally

[spice veldt]

no i dodged off 😎

[lunar hollow]

he actually threw the game

[lyric burrow]

oh my bad

[lunar hollow]

lost it for us

[untold niche]

i can't find corruption resist