psyker-class

[strange fox]

feel like i'v been wasting my dps following his example

[shadow wigeon]

That video is just bad information. There's obviosuly some good information in there but 0 trust factor. He does not know how the game works.

And is also playing on lower difficulty.

[strange fox]

hey does scryers effect the tick damage?

[wind spruce]

He's talking about perilous combustion on gun psyker bro

That's pretty obvious

He literally says it if i remember correctly

[spice veldt]

the tick damage gets updated in real time with respect to your current damage buffs

[wind spruce]

every damage increase effects it

[strange fox]

ohhhh i'v been fucking hindering my self all this time

[shadow wigeon]

Many things do. Any source of +damage from talents, and any active effect on the weapon you are holding will boost it.

Which is why I enjoy Slaughter on Illisi after venting, to turbo the horde and push Wildfire out.

It is not obvious, but ater applying soulblaze, the weapon you are holding will have it's effects apply, includig +damage perks.

and will change live as you switch weapons.

[stone canyon]

Yeah i saw some crazy videos of people spawning like 50 crushers in training room, applying soulblaze, then mk4 duel in hand with uncanny+slaughterer so it goes right through the armor

[strange fox]

ok is kenetic flayer worth taking ?

[spice veldt]

i vote no

[strange fox]

on gunker btw

[shadow wigeon]

I don't think there's a build where it is worth it, unless you are totally out of options.

[spice veldt]

i still vote no and i continue to despise that talent now that we're in patch 13+

[shadow wigeon]

The damage is too small.

[elfin roost]

dont call it that

[spice veldt]

i'm gunking it up

[cold hornet]

I vote yeah, helps with taking down big boys. When you get surrounded by 4 bulwarks it's nice to have

[strange fox]

Gunker for life

[shadow wigeon]

It's one BB every 15 seconds. It's not making the difference....

[elfin roost]

Not even the potential to

[cold hornet]

Mainly it is more for cc potential than damage

[strange fox]

the only talent i could possibley trade to pick up kenetic flayer is mettle and i don't think it's worth

[cold hornet]

And it kills which you can then turn to higher priority targets

[spice veldt]

if you're running the IAG and not running asssail, then i consider mettle a must

[elfin roost]

It kills one thing and then its done

[shadow wigeon]

Mettle is one of the stronest nodes

[spice veldt]

otherwise yeah it's more on the meh side

[shadow wigeon]

If you are doing anything eith crit

It can let you free up other toughness effects

[strange fox]

yeah i don't do assail

[spice veldt]

what no ICD does to a mf

fatshark really just needs to start giving a lot of things ICDs to balance them out

[stone canyon]

Tried Gunker couple times, and worst mistake was to do assail while in scriers

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah. Mettle is very subtley OP that would be reasonable to fix.

[stone canyon]

Anyways for now i wanna keep my Psyker mostly Staff based as thats whats unique about the class, can run Columnus V on my Veteran instead and not be constantly ammo starved

[strange fox]

I wanna try staff Psyker but idk what staff i want to run

is there a shotgun staff?

[spice veldt]

i just run purg nowadays for brain off

no

[strange fox]

sadness

[spice veldt]

our staff variety is pretty meh right now

[strange fox]

what are my options?

i'v long since forgot what the staffs do all i know is one is flames anothe is shooting balls

[spice veldt]

flamethrower, ball projectile launcher, rumbler, and a lightning single-target staff

[urban sandal]

you got bowling ball, lightning, explosion or fire basically

[stone canyon]

Voidstrike is pretty great with surge+nexus for double hitting crits, staggers big enemies too and snipes, and DD highlights the targets for you which feels like cheating

[shadow wigeon]

Void is probably the easiest to start on.

[spice veldt]

none of our staffs have single-target DPS that matches what guns have, and that makes me very sad

[strange fox]

now does the lightning actually do damage or is it the same as smite ?

[spice veldt]

it does more damage, fortunately

[urban sandal]

does a lot of damage

[spice veldt]

I don't know how much it does nowadays since I don't use it

[shadow wigeon]

Lightning staff is very strong.

[strange fox]

might go try lightning Psyker

[shadow wigeon]

But it's especially strong pairedwith Creeping Flames. It's not great with the other ults.

[stone canyon]

Currently in progress of trying to farm Blazing blessing for Trauma so can try that playstyle

[urban sandal]

trauma staff best staff

[shadow wigeon]

Trauma plays well with Flames or Bubble. Void and Purg can do all 3.

[elfin roost]

Please, that's literally the worst name for it ever

[strange fox]

it's the best it reminds me of Gun Monk the Gunk

[wind spruce]

Nah that's a Get gud moment..assail during scriers is great

[spice veldt]

i'll gunk you

[urban sandal]

it’s not supposed to sound appealing cos you’re not supposed to be doing it

[strange fox]

it doesn't work. if you're using Assail + Gun + Scryer ur trolling

[stone canyon]

Not when you too close to 100% atleast

[strange fox]

if tanner got anything right it's assail and scryer don't mix

well especially with a gun

[shadow wigeon]

Surge/Flames is favourite by a long shot because of the play style it permits, but Blaze Trauma feels to me the strongest overall. Void has the most (?) builds that are all fun in their own right, and all strong.

[stone canyon]

This comment on the Tanner vid though...

[strange fox]

you want to be in scryer as long as possible and assail generates peril shortening your time in Scryer, further more swap time and finally either ur using scryer and a gun or scryer and assail you can't have both

and for the people saying dump your assail quell then pop scryer and gun that's a load of wasted time. if assail is as strong as people say everything will be dead. or if not you coulda killed the mobs just shooting them instead of dumping and quelling

think fuck people who promote assail and scry drive me nuts

[urban sandal]

[stone canyon]

I think the main appeal of adding Assail to that build is ammo economy?

[strange fox]

ammos never really an issue people make it out to be we do have melee as an option as well

i love being a blender with my Force sword MK VI

granted the moment i pull out my sword is when the game director is fed up with me and sends a fuck ton of poxbursters to blow my ass to kingdom come but i digress

[ornate hamlet]

"Guys help my gun psyker build is running low on ammo all the time and I feel like a dick constantly taking ammo from people, what do I do?"
The melee weapon sitting in their pocket for 25 minutes now:

[stone canyon]

Thats why i prefer Columnus V on veteran more, you can actually just spray all the time and not run out of ammo still

[strange fox]

to be fair by the time my ammo does dryed up it's chewed through like 15 elite packs but i use the Graia and it's rolled 80% ammo

so i'm happy with that trade

[stone canyon]

Though Weapon Specialist means you should melee good amount too inbetween

[strange fox]

i'll happy chew through 20 zerkers and then 40 gunners and a few crushers and bulworks before i go out of ammo and become the greatest swordsman the emperium has ever seen for like 5 seconds then die to a mob. all while my friend looks at me like the fuck you half way across the map for ?

LOOKING FOR AMMO

anyway Psykers fun.

[wind spruce]

I almost exclusively ran this for a good 6 weeks after patch 14.

Las pistol scrier assail is bonkers. It's not remotely a troll

[strange fox]

@shadow wigeon you awake ?

[urban sandal]

praise the sun

[strange fox]

easy there magnus

actually thought your profile pic was Anduin from WoW

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah for a bit

[strange fox]

what Curios you run, i'v been struggling to decide 3 toughness or 2 toughness 1 health

[urban sandal]

it’s vega from street fighter

[shadow wigeon]

These days 1 health 2 toughness, for Auric Mael. But I used to run 3 toughness.

[urban sandal]

anduin a bitch

[mighty fractal]

It's Vega/Claw from Street Fighter

pretty sure

[shadow wigeon]

1 health 2 toughness is a bit more relaxed for the hardest levels, becuase there are more curveballs. But 3 toughness is great on psyker.

[mighty fractal]

1hp curio is nice to reach ~200hp, which will let you survive sniper shots and Mauler sideswipes

[urban sandal]

i said that

[mighty fractal]

Oh lmao

Didn't see your message lol

[urban sandal]

[shadow wigeon]

For Surge/Flames I run HTT, Sniper/Gunner/Gunner, then ability regen x3 and + toughness x3

[mighty fractal]

This is a pretty neat visual actually, since Wildfire is so difficult to quantify in actual gameplay

(no, scoreboard numbers aren't fully representative because for all we know, those extra few ticks on ambient poxwalkers aren't actually reducing the time to kill on them)

Usually, Wildfire just gets handwaved as a meme talent

either for or against

and there's never actually any hard proof that Wildfire alone is putting in valuable work

[shadow wigeon]

The best way to see what Wildfire is doing for you is to remove it from your build. If you notice it's missing, then you'll find out what it was doing.

[mighty fractal]

That's the thing, I don't find it impacts my clear at all with a Blaze Trauma

And if you take Shield, you don't have a spare point to put into Wildfire

You can take it if you go Shriek, though

[shadow wigeon]

Blaze Trauma I can go either way, but Wildfire helps clean up hordes completely, rather than have a few here and there.
I like it with Slaighter Illisi from Flames, and push into hrodes. Wildfire stretches out the flames for a long time, and picks off targets tou sometimes havent seen.

[mighty fractal]

Mettle and Perfect Timing are too valuable to give up

Kinetic Deflection is too valuable for clutching

Giving up Warp Rider is a no-go

[plucky flax]

I have all in my blaze trauma build.

[mighty fractal]

You run Shriek though

[plucky flax]

6 warp charges, warp rider, deflection, perfect timing, wildfire, pc

[mighty fractal]

So you can afford to run all of them

[plucky flax]

Yeah cos it's op

[mighty fractal]

it's very good

[plucky flax]

I do too little damage without creeping flames.

Skissue mane

[mighty fractal]

Wildfire is just the first to get axed if you decide to run bubble/shield, out of all those loose ends talents

[shadow wigeon]

For some maels - mostly ranged, or the max modifiers wit nurgle blessigs - i will swap Wildfire for Empahtic Evasion. I miss WF though even then.

[mighty fractal]

it's the hardest to quantify outside of generic scoreboard numbers

[strange fox]

god i hate how lack luster the audio ques are, i completely missed the audio for a DH cuz of mutants screaming and other people shooting things that i accidentally started shooting the deamon host thinking it was something els

[mighty fractal]

You could -maybe- drop Quietude for WF or EE? It's a big ask though

Sound channel priority is all over the place in this game

The most noticeable example is in a Hounds modifier

[shadow wigeon]

who hurt you

[mighty fractal]

When the little dogs show up, their barking will almost completely or completely override certain sounds like explosions (including the Trauma explosion)

[mighty fractal]

I did

[shadow wigeon]

Well you're just playing psyker then

[shadow wigeon]

These are all very build dependent. for Surge/Flames Quiet is my only toughness talent besides Harvest.

EE is neat on LMB spam on Surge. Works on Purg as well. I don't know where else it's valuable.

[strange fox]

if i pick up a blessing for MK II force sword i can't apply it to my MK IV ?

[near wyvern]

Force swords share blessings

[shadow wigeon]

All base weapons share blessings among all their marks, and across characters.

[near wyvern]

All weapons share blessings in their family except staves

So all duelling swords share blessings

All force swords share blessings

All laspistols share blessings

And so on

[strange fox]

so if i pick up this MK II with a LV 4 blessing i can apply it to my MK IV

good

[near wyvern]

Yes

[mighty fractal]

Quietude is super helpful in general imo, regardless of build

[near wyvern]

Yes

[mighty fractal]

just because it lets you emergency regen toughness just by quelling your staff

[near wyvern]

Works really well with high peril builds

[mighty fractal]

and it'll regen some toughness as your peril naturally ticks down while you're dodging/blocking/meleeing

[shadow wigeon]

Quietitude is also a chunky heal from Shriek.

[mighty fractal]

Also it has natural synergy with Shriek, but if you're running the other two ults then maybe there's more of an argument for swapping the point elsewhere

yeah

[strange fox]

ok real question then i have the lv 3 version of unstable power which is 18 power per peril generated i use scryer. is it worth using the special decut resource to get the lv 4 upgrade which is 20 power per peril

[shadow wigeon]

Only if you are looking for a specific blessing, or you are swimming in resources. Otherwise the blessings will all come eventually.

[mighty fractal]

Essence Harvest is an interesting choice, especially for Surge staff

as opposed to taking Inner Tranq

[shadow wigeon]

Inner Tranq is largsly wasted on Surge, if you are using Shriek often (all the time)

[strange fox]

i'm really only looking for 2 for my MK IV unstable peril and slaughter ( Maybe superiority) but i honestly don't know if Superiority is better than Slaughter. it lasts longer but over all gives 10 less power at max stacks 7 sec is a long time tho

[mighty fractal]

Yeah that's fair

[wind spruce]

Can we just call the force swords deimos and illisi lol

[shadow wigeon]

People default to Tranq and overlook harvest. It's very strong on Surge.

I don't use Harvest on any other staffs. You could probably do it with Purg, but I dont see the point.

[mighty fractal]

Tranq is a lot more useful on, say, Blaze Trauma

since it lets you juggle high peril so much easier

[wind spruce]

Blaze trauma is where you don't want it

Surge you do

[shadow wigeon]

Agree to disagree.

[wind spruce]

Disagree to disagree.

[shadow wigeon]

Ditched Tranq on Surge some time ago, never looked back.

[strange fox]

any suggestions between Slaughterer and superiority or are they basically apples and oranges ?

[shadow wigeon]

Slaughter is much stronger, if you are getting kills and maintaining stacks. Unstable is instant powr if you are at high peril.

So, they are build/play dependent.

[strange fox]

well unstables my staple cuz i 'm running scryer it makes no sense not to have it

[shadow wigeon]

Yep, it's free damage on Scrier's, for sure. It's great for setting up one-shots as well.

[strange fox]

it's between Slaughterer and Superiority. and i can see Slaughterer being better vs hordes.

probably more reliable to proc slaughterer more often

[shadow wigeon]

I'm sorry, I answered you re: Slaughter/Unstable.

[wind spruce]

You always want uncanny strike on deimos

[shadow wigeon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aec13a1-8d04-4fde-a2ff-2c73786ac358/surgeflames-sprint

[strange fox]

considered it but how often are you hitting weakspots consistantly especially against specials

[shadow wigeon]

It's easier thank you think actually, and it builds stacks off any mob.

[wind spruce]

Well if you're only killing specials with it, sure

[ionic needle]

So I finally decided to get the overproof scoreboard, but looking at the numbers I don't get how the two circled values don't add up? Aren't they supposed to show the same thing?

[wind spruce]

But are you doing that?

[strange fox]

no i'm usually shooting specials or elites lol

[wind spruce]

There's a miscalculation on the original scoreboard

It adds phantom damage

[ionic needle]

Ah okay, so the top one is from the original?

[wind spruce]

Yes

[strange fox]

idk maybe i go uncanny over slaughterer

[ionic needle]

That makes sense

[spice veldt]

the original scoreboard doesn't cut off overkill if it's the killing blow

[wind spruce]

[scoreboard bug]
https://outplayed.tv/media/znxx5l

[mighty fractal]

Looks solid. Yeah the opportunity cost of running Shield (aside from giving up Shriek's knockdown and Shriek enabling more aggressive play) is that you lose that single extra point to spend lol

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, this is very aggressive Surge, I don't know how to make it faster. Creeping Flames constantly.

[ionic needle]

Drop wildfire for literally anything else and it's great

[wind spruce]

It does sometimes. It's really weird.

[strange fox]

honestly with how often i get fuked by ranged maybe i actually go reflector

idk

[shadow wigeon]

I love Wildfire for normal games. Slaughter Illisi buffs.
For max mael I will sometimes swap WF for EE. But I still miss it.

[ionic needle]

It's really bad

You can get warp battery, that's an actual good talent

[shadow wigeon]

It's really not, and you can tell by removing it

No, warp battery is barely useable here.

[ionic needle]

Or battle meditation

[mighty fractal]

warp charges in this build are more for resetting Shriek cd

[wind spruce]

You don't want Battle meditation on creeping flames spam builds

[ionic needle]

Yeah, and getting to six resets shriek faster

[shadow wigeon]

In this build, Battery doesn't happen - you dont get to 5 or 6 stacks almost ever.

You're resetting too often,

[mighty fractal]

It's more that

yeah

^that lol

[shadow wigeon]

BM is counter productive, and weak on Surge.

[ionic needle]

Oh yeah, BM maybe isn't good then

WF is just terrible though

[shadow wigeon]

It really isn't, but it's down to play style.

[ionic needle]

No it's not, WF is just weak

[shadow wigeon]

WF boosted into hordes is very fun, and does a lot of damage.

[wind spruce]

It's not down to play style

[shadow wigeon]

Well it is because you need to support WF to make it great. So, it's conditional on your play style.

[wind spruce]

I'm not saying it's good or bad but playstyle doesn't come into it.

What playstyle makes it worse or better lol

Also builds aren't playstyle

[shadow wigeon]

Buff power with Illisi

[ionic needle]

With slaughterer?

[shadow wigeon]

That does not make sense. Your build defines a ton of what you do in a game. Or it should, I guess. Unless you're playing as a generalist.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah. Well in this case Slaughter and Shred maintains Perfect Timing as well.

[wind spruce]

You're just conflating two things unnecessarily. You have your build, then you have how you play it.

[mighty fractal]

I just wish there were a better way to quantify Wildfire's impact outside of using a healthbar mod

[wind spruce]

The latter being your playstyle.

Do you play more passive or aggressive. Lean into more melee or ranged. Your build usually fits your playstyle but they aren't the same thing.

[mighty fractal]

the reason why these discussions keep coming up is because every argument for or against Wildfire is very feelsy

which isn't a bad thing on its own. But at the end of the day, you take a talent like Wildfire to help you clear hordes faster (and maybe to provide more uptime for In Fire Reborn), and it's hard to pinpoint where it's actually having an impact

[ionic needle]

The impact is that it caps out at four stacks and has a shit ton of weird restrictions that makes it a terrible talent

[shadow wigeon]

This is not the problem that some people make it out to be.

[ionic needle]

It is

[shadow wigeon]

4 stacks buffed is a lot of damage on it's own, and it carries through hordes if you melee them. If you are relying on WF to do free damage without leveraging it, it doesn't do much.

[wind spruce]

What do you mean if you melee them

Please say we aren't advocating for blazing spirit on melee

[ionic needle]

haha

[strange fox]

is deflector worth ?

[mighty fractal]

it does probably start gaining a lot more value once you take damage buffs like Perfect Timing and Empyrean Empowerment

But when you have to give up a talent on a build, Wildfire is what gets axed first

[mighty fractal]

If you're primarily using your force sword for defensive utility, yes

[shadow wigeon]

When you Creeping Flames a horde, and go into melee, every kill kicks back the flames to more horde you hadn't light up. At max power buffs the damage is signigicant, and you take out the hode much faster.

if another group has backed into it, WF keeps going.

Additionally if you use WF for any length of time you also see you pickup weird free kills, and things off the map, much more easily.

[mighty fractal]

It helps mostly for when you need to move from cover to cover (soaking stray bullets from shooters and gunners here and there)

[wind spruce]

What? Since when does melee effect warpfire spread, whatever the source

[ionic needle]

yeah this is kind of like advocating for kinetic flayer because two times in a game a random reaper gets popped by it

[shadow wigeon]

It's worth trying and learning but in practice is not necessary for aything but the hardest difficulty. it also eats up a blessing slot.

[shadow wigeon]

You Creeping Flames every 10-15 seconds.

That's an obvious dumb take dude

[wind spruce]

Can we go back to this melee warpfire thing

Wtf

[ionic needle]

I'm not arguing against creeping flames, but wildfire every once in a blue moon actually managing to kill something you didn't see is not really a strong point

[shadow wigeon]

CF a horde, go into melee, Slaughter/Timing boosts damage, WF kicks flames back onto the guys you are not hitting.

[wind spruce]

So it's not the melee doing it

[mighty fractal]

It kind of is, in this case, because of Slaughterer

(I'm steelmanning their argument here)

[wind spruce]

Well yeah

[shadow wigeon]

It's maintaining Slaughter stakcs, which is what makes it strong enough to keep going.

[wind spruce]

"Every kill kicks back the flames to more horde you hadn't lit up"

Wording is important.

[shadow wigeon]

Correct. That's what WF does.

[mighty fractal]

I thought per Wildfire's rules, the fire stacks keep dividing

[shadow wigeon]

The SB on the horde you kill keeps going.

[wind spruce]

"When you Creeping Flames a horde, and go into melee, every kill kicks back the flames to more horde you hadn't light up."

[mighty fractal]

so eventually you're just spreading piddly single stacks onto targets behind whatever you kill, and that hardly matters when those single fire stacks aren't actually reducing your time-to-kill on random poxwalkers

[wind spruce]

Its clearly implying the melee is what spreads the wildfire

But that's ok

[shadow wigeon]

They divide if possible, they won't exceed the orginal stack count. In practice, and buffed, it's 4 stacks on eveyone, with your total stacks slowly fading across the horde.

[mighty fractal]

Hmm

[shadow wigeon]

Any dead ends in the horde go nowhere

[ionic needle]

Does it even do that though? If you do creeping flames and start meleeing, everyone in front of you is gonna have six stacks and wildfire can't spread if the target has >= 4 stacks or to a target that has more stacks than the dead enemy had, and it has quite a small radius for the spread

[mighty fractal]

Man I'd love to see a video that deep dives into Wildfire

[shadow wigeon]

It's everything you don't hit, which is a lot.

You can also push it into the next horde

[wind spruce]

Apparently the mechanics of it changed with patch 14, and changed for the worse

[mighty fractal]

Oh boy

[ionic needle]

So like, the stragglers on the side might get 2-3 stacks and halfway die before your illisi overkills half their hp with a hit to the head?

[mighty fractal]

I still think the biggest boon to running Wildfire is for In Fire Reborn procs, after all this

[shadow wigeon]

PC helps a bit too. I'll get WF kills of elites and specials that either stayed in the flames for a long time (4 stacks keep getting refreshed) or someeone else incidentals them and they die to WF - then a pileof stacks get added.

[radiant frigate]

why not both

[shadow wigeon]

I have never found this to work well, or at least be better.

[ionic needle]

Yeah, and psychic vampire works just about as well on any staff but purgatus

[mighty fractal]

I see

Yeah I still prefer Vampire

[shadow wigeon]

I prefer Vampire bc you pick up stacks ouside of fights.

[mighty fractal]

just because it's far more flexible and doesn't require lit targets

it's more reliable in downtime outside of hordes, especially if you're not running Shriek with Creeping Flames

Yeah

[shadow wigeon]

This is all specific to Surge/Flames. Some people prefer Reborn to get stacks up quicker. Also reborn unless somethign has changed, gets stacks off ANY soulblze target that dies

Not just "yours".

[mighty fractal]

That's correct, from my experience

So it's better in lobbies with multiple psykers lighting things on fire

can't always count on that in QP but yeah

[shadow wigeon]

I can't be bothered to retalent if there's a purg psyker in party, but ive done it once or twice.

[cold hornet]

I mean, 4x 4% is 16, which is better than 10 and must be soulblazed

[shadow wigeon]

Not sure what math you're doing, but 4% is 1/25 targets, vs 1/10.

[wind spruce]

Wow

[mighty fractal]

I guess at the end of the day, are those Wildfire stacks consistently killing poxwalkers/groaners/bruisers hanging out on the perimeter of a horde

[wind spruce]

He means the four players in the party bro

[ionic needle]

4x 4% is the players chance per kill

[wind spruce]

[hard widget]

is pc good with purgatus staff or not? I keep getting mixed responses

[mighty fractal]

Or are those Wildfire stacks reducing the number of hits needed to kill a bruiser from 2 to 1 (I chose Bruisers because they're the 'toughest' chaff enemy)

if yes, then I'd say Wildfire is doing its job

[shadow wigeon]

It's 16% but you dont all get a stack, unless somethign has changed.

The stack generated but then is assigned to one psyker, not all.

[mighty fractal]

Because the ultimate goal here is for Wildfire to kill more chaff quicker

[shadow wigeon]

Pre patch anyway Vampire did not multiply. I don't know if that has changed. It'd be surprised because then it would be ultra fast...

[mighty fractal]

and if it's lighting the chaff on fire but not actually killing them or reducing the ttk on those targets, then it's just a pretty light show

[shadow wigeon]

In the current meta, Purg doesn't kill elites quick enough for PC to be as great as on other builds.

[wind spruce]

What do you mean by multiply? And what does multiple psykers have to do with it other than more soulblaze for fire reborn?

[shadow wigeon]

It depends on the horde make up. If you light everybody up, then WF makes no difference. With ambushes and 2,3,4 hordes in a row separated by that annoying gap, you can keep it going a long time.

[mighty fractal]

Ahh I see what you mean by the gaps between horde clusters now. Even then, the main thing we want here is for the spread Wildfire stacks to either 1. Outright kill weaker chaff before it even gets to you, and 2. Soften up the slightly meatier targets (bruisers, the stray special or gunner) enough to reduce the number of hits needed to kill them

[shadow wigeon]

Vampie procs if you are coherency. Reborn can proc on other people's soulblaze. So a purg psyker for instance is generating a lot of stacks, and if you have reborn, you will pick them up.

Vampire - unless somethin has changed - does not work like that.

[ionic needle]

It's not not, soulblaze kills doesn't proc PC and most of your damage on purgatus is soulblaze damage

[shadow wigeon]

It generates one stack, and assigns in. So 4 x 4% / 4 = no change.

[wind spruce]

You're saying that in fire reborn will get you stacks even if you don't get the kill?

[shadow wigeon]

I don't even think you have to be in coherency.

[cold hornet]

I still find roughly 50% of my damage still comes as ranged damage with the purgatus. Still annoying soulblaze kills don't proc it

[ionic needle]

50% really? That seems very high

[shadow wigeon]

Anyone who kills anything that has SB will trigger reborn for anyone who has it. I ASSUME its shared like Vampie, but even so you'll get stacks for doing nothing.

[ionic needle]

If it's that high then PC might be worth it

Kind of feels like something is off with your purg build if it's that high though

[cold hornet]

I don't run Wildfire or shriek, so that lowers the fire damage I guess

[ionic needle]

That should only make it easier to see actual numbers though

Guess you're running bubble and cooldown aura then?

[radiant frigate]

not running shriek seems weird to me

[cold hornet]

Bubble and crit yeah

[radiant frigate]

it is just universally useful

[ionic needle]

Ah, crit aura

[radiant frigate]

not a fan of crit aura because it locks you out of one with the warp

[mighty fractal]

shield/bubble are good for letting your team aggressively push into gunner nests

and for the team toughness regen

[cold hornet]

I like my extra dodge. I'm slippery

[mighty fractal]

or holding chokes

they're both good ults

[shadow wigeon]

Purg doesn't need the venting from Shriek much, already has AOE, it's not a big deal really.
Shriek stacks will add on top of Purg stacks though for huge numbers.

[cold hornet]

And extra crit for ranged immunity

[hard widget]

isnt the extra dodge bugged

[ionic needle]

Yeah purg with creeping flames does silly damage to bosses

[wind spruce]

No just the dodge duration part

[mighty fractal]

purg and shriek are practically made for one another though

[spice veldt]

not necessarily bugged

just doesn't do what you expect

[mighty fractal]

the gameplay loop is just so smooth, and Shriek makes up somewhat for Purg's short range

[spice veldt]

it only improves the dodge linger time and specifically only against melee attacks

[radiant frigate]

where does it mention dodge distance

[wind spruce]

Duration***

[wind spruce]

I thought this part was still bugged?

[spice veldt]

nah

not necessarily bugged; just doesn't do what you'd expect or immediately know from the description

[mighty fractal]

bubble is nice for voidstrike since it lets you turret in relative peace

trauma is fine with either ult

[wind spruce]

Hmm I thought that might be the case but everyone kept yapping about it being bugged

Found it difficult to prove the lingering part

[shadow wigeon]

Anticipation is alright. Big fan of it on Scrier's Void to let you easily dodge while you keep charging shots. Feels deluxe.

[radiant frigate]

relative peace is relative indeed because bubble will not give you space vs melee

[wind spruce]

Trauma without shriek is

[mighty fractal]

just throw ball at melee

trauma with shield/bubble is fine

[hard widget]

what charges does empowered assail not consume

charges of ep?

[shadow wigeon]

Trauma is great with Bubble

[mighty fractal]

just gotta watch your peril a little more vigilantly

[shadow wigeon]

I guess. it feels fairly chill compared to any Scrier's build or even Surge.

[mighty fractal]

I meant compared to running it with Shriek

shriek just lets you brain off with any staff build though

[shadow wigeon]

Sure, Trauma is not bad on peril though. I would only use Shriek for Flames Synergy, and even then giving up 4/6 stacks of Tranq is rough.

[mighty fractal]

Trauma peril is a little high

not as outrageous as it was on game launch, though

It's easy to overload if you're just learning the staff though

and I think Tranq is a near-must

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I guess im comparing to then. It feels fine now.

Yes it is very easy to pop when learning because it's quite opaque what's going on

and what your thresholds are

[mighty fractal]

Tranq lets you squeeze out 2-3 extra fully charged trauma blasts at high peril

which is huge

[shadow wigeon]

With Blaze often doing a lot of partial charged shots

[mighty fractal]

yeah you do have to learn when to use uncharged blasts

which is often

[shadow wigeon]

Meteor Staff

[strange fox]

i finally got my ideal perfect MK IV Deimos sword sure the stats aren't completely perfect but so far looking so good. just hope i can roll a Crit perk, Damage vs Maniac or Flak perk would even settle for Carapace, or a flat damage like 10 damage to elites or specials

if i can get any of those perks on my second roll i'll be good to fucking go on melee

I'm happy with this damn near perfect.

[ionic needle]

Hmmm

[indigo creek]

can anyone help me with the monstrosity penance

[strange fox]

Hey it's impossible to get above 80 in a stat right?

Like 100 to damage isn't possible?

[cold hornet]

Current Purgatus setup, note ranged damage higher than soulblaze.

[spice veldt]

yeah 80 is the cap on an individual stat

[indigo creek]

I just need one or two players

[strange fox]

Send more dudes.

I'm in a fight i need more ogryns

[indigo creek]

Indeed

[spice veldt]

and by giving your credit card number and the three digits on the back, you too can help

[ionic needle]

Haha, that's so weird

[potent echo]

80 is max for every stat roll now yea

[stone canyon]

Shame Finesse took the low roll hit, useable still i guess?

[wind spruce]

I'd help but I have aus ping

[strange fox]

If you're taking scryers it'll balance out. If you're not using scryer then i'd say still good it'll be on the slower end probably not noticable tho

I'd probably try to roll for better. But otherwise i'd use it if it were my best option

For me ideal is 70+ damage 70+ Finesse and 70+ first target, Dump warp resist and mobility.

[stone canyon]

I see, 0 games with Illisi, so perhaps i dont need it to be perfect to test it out to see if i like its playstyle

But yeah attack speed on finesse, so thats gonna make it lose maybe 2-3 from 80

[wind spruce]

Yeah don't get stuck in the trap of needing it perfect to try it

You'll smash with the one you linked

No probs

[strange fox]

Hey does the dot damage from perilous combustion and wildfire fire count as warp damage?

[urban sandal]

any and all blue fire is warp fire yes

[strange fox]

So perfect timing is a good damage pick up?

[urban sandal]

I've not used fire as psyker so I'm not entirely sure if that has an effect on soulblaze, you can't exactly go off of tooltips since a lot of them are incorrect

[strange fox]

Hm may need to do testing. But looking at my current build i'd need to give up movement speed or quelling peril on kills

Probably the movement

[spice veldt]

yeah soulblaze counts as a warp attack

they also proc soulstealer

[hearty oak]

If you are using crit heavy setups, then yes

[strange fox]

I do believe i am yes

Think i'll drop the movememt speed. It's nice to have but i can live without it

[radiant frigate]

tried deimos for a game

it is definitely one of the weapons ever made

[strange fox]

best * ?

[radiant frigate]

i was unimpressed

[digital narwhal]

Deimos is amazing for the job it's tuned towards

[radiant frigate]

yes unfortunately i'm not looking for that job

[digital narwhal]

It absolutely dumpsters on Elites and Specials

[digital narwhal]

So why the "it is definitely one of the weapons ever made"?

[radiant frigate]

because it is

[digital narwhal]

Seems like you're unfairly judging a weapon because of bias

[radiant frigate]

it is one of the weapons of all time

[strange fox]

doesn't seem like perfect timing procs on warpblazes

[digital narwhal]

Imagine trying out a weapon with a niche you don't want on your build, only to go onto Discord and say "it is definitely one of the weapons ever made" because it underperformed, entirely due to fitting it into the wrong build.

[strange fox]

what build you trying to stuff it in ?

[digital narwhal]

Please tell me you didn't start doing light into Poxwalkers

[midnight jolt]

I know I know, the autheneum says the DS4 is the best which I don't disagree, I used it for many days, loved it,
but from time to time you wanna try something different, so I went in that journey, used the knife but it has a very high skill ceiling,
I'm going to retry the knife some time in the future, but one that got my love recently is the mk2 tactical axe,
I know I know, people swear is a worse DS4, but it didn't feel like it to me, it felt good

[hard widget]

this a good purg staff build?

[midnight jolt]

The tactical axe felt better than the knife and responsive enough for me, the push attack is great, the block feels good and is pretty fast

[radiant frigate]

this is absolutely not what i am saying

i would take deimos over ds4 any day

[digital narwhal]

Deimos has the benefit of knocking literally every enemy short of Bosses onto their ass with H2.

It's great.

[radiant frigate]

should i be using heavies into poxwalkers, in your opinion

[midnight jolt]

I'm not saying you said that, just pointing out that the axe is not a bad alternative if you wanna give it a try

[digital narwhal]

You should be using a Staff or Assail really.
If Deimos is your only horde option, then something is wrong.

[radiant frigate]

i was using it with assail

[midnight jolt]

I was just been defensive because when you mention the axe you are automatically referred to the DS4

[radiant frigate]

i'm saying i don't like it because i have to resort to other things for horde clear

did it work? sure

but it isn't main weapon material

[digital narwhal]

Then I'm still confused on the "it is definitely one of the weapons ever made".
What do you even mean by that, then? Since most people use such a phrase with an extremely negative connotation.

[radiant frigate]

it is very whelming

[midnight jolt]

Deimos is great but as a Psyker I'd feel like horde clearing has a bit of a higher priority, so you want a natural horde clearer or a fast weapon

[digital narwhal]

So Deimos is whelming because it's not a horde weapon?

[hard widget]

I mean, I run purgatus staff and deimos, and I love deimos because its a specialized tool thats very very good at deleting single targets

[digital narwhal]

So should every melee weapon be a horde weapon, then?

[radiant frigate]

what else do you use melee for, if not self-defense when things are close to you

so, yes

[midnight jolt]

I don't think that's exactly the point, I think is related to the circumstances Psyker runs into

[digital narwhal]

It's almost as if Elite and Specialist enemies exist.

Bosses, too.

[hard widget]

jeez,yall must really hate thunder hammers

[radiant frigate]

Yes

godawful weapon

[digital narwhal]

[hard widget]

makes sense, since you want it to be good at horde clearing

in addition to destroying single targets

[midnight jolt]

That's why I'd take DS4 over Deimos anyday, because it can do anything

[digital narwhal]

Not everything has to be a hording option.
You know Psyker has Trauma, Voidstrike, Purgatus, Assail, and Creeping Flames, right?
Psyker is the best equipped to run a single target melee weapon.

Hell, on Gun Psyker, I use Combat Knife solely for the single target damage and mobility.
Assail and my Columnus IAG does most of the heavy lifting for me.

Also, if you were using Assail, which has a very high stagger value that'll affect most enemies short of Crushers, why weren't you using that for when enemies got close when combined with dodge sliding?

[hard widget]

also, can someone upgrade my purgatus staff build

[midnight jolt]

I'd love to master the knife, I have a decent one:

[digital narwhal]

Uncanny + Flesh Tearer or bust tbh

You really want Bleed and Rending

[midnight jolt]

Slow down, that's my 1st good RNG knife 😂

[digital narwhal]

But yeah, the issue is with the mindset, not the weapon.

Especially since, funnily enough, Deimos is one of the safest weapons in the game.

So

lmao

[midnight jolt]

Well, in Deimos defense, the push attack has some AoE, try it

[cosmic sigil]

What, you don't charge into melee???

[radiant frigate]

i do

which is why deimos sucks for me

[strange fox]

Is 3 toughness regen on curios to much?

[mighty fractal]

force sword push attack is a lifesaver.

[digital narwhal]

The push attack and H2 have funky stagger values
They'll both knock everything short of a Boss onto their asses.
Crushers literally turn into coughing babies.

[strange fox]

Everyone was confused by this

[mighty fractal]

deimos is more for picking off specials and elites that get too close to you with the busted heavy 2

[digital narwhal]

The legendary melee Psyker build.

[spice veldt]

i wouldn't take toughness regen unless you're not taking the toughness gen talents

[radiant frigate]

heavy 2 is hilarious

to the floor with thee

[strange fox]

I have like none

[mighty fractal]

smack smack

[midnight jolt]

but ... I prefer DS4, the DS4 alt attack staggers crushers and their mothers 😂

[mighty fractal]

Oh hey we just played Arcotash

[radiant frigate]

but does it send people to the floor?

[hard widget]

in fire reborn works with purgatus staff kills right?

[spice veldt]

o hello

[mighty fractal]

[digital narwhal]

The WS node? Ye

[spice veldt]

i was on that brauto grindset

[hard widget]

yeah the ws node

[digital narwhal]

Then ye

[mighty fractal]

Understandable

[midnight jolt]

The DS4 alt, no, but it staggers charging mutants, then you just heavy poke their eyes, same with crushers, etc

[hard widget]

I have creeping flames and purgatus staff, no pc and no wildfire, I assume I take in fire reborn still? over psychic vampire

[radiant frigate]

what's confusing about this, i enter melee range with things, with the intend to engage in melee, but if it is many things that i intend to melee, deimos is not the way

does that clear it up for you

[strange fox]

My goal is 3 ability cdr, 2 gunner resist 3 toughness regen. And unsure on the very last stat

[spice veldt]

i vote +toughness or +ordo dockets

[radiant frigate]

+curio chance

make a museum

[digital narwhal]

[spice veldt]

+ordo dockets goated af

get that money

[radiant frigate]

permanently on the grind

[strange fox]

Wish we had plasteel

[spice veldt]

if only

[strange fox]

Would absolutely put poxburster reduction on

Tired of having my ass blown the fuck up

[radiant frigate]

i tried 3x sniper DR

they still break through toughness

very sad

[spice veldt]

yeah, they deal 122.5 damage and have a 10x multiplier to toughness

so you'll need 1225 effective toughness to tank them

[zinc phoenix]

Iron will time

[spice veldt]

which only the other three classes can get (I know that vet and ogryn can, but not sure about zealot)

[radiant frigate]

so sniper dr is completely useless after all, gotcha

[strange fox]

So be ogryn

[zinc phoenix]

Vet is probably better at it

[midnight jolt]

@kat try something like this, for what you are saying, these are your options:

[zinc phoenix]

Vet toughness DR stacking insane rn

[strange fox]

Are wound Curio worth it on Psyker?

[radiant frigate]

never

[midnight jolt]

no

[spice veldt]

if you need it sure

[radiant frigate]

three of these are effectively single target weapons

[spice veldt]

you can usually bet on not going down more than once between medicaes (depending on the map)

[hearty oak]

Maybe someone can explain this to me. Is there some sort of graze mechanic for the crushers cause I somehow managed to survive an overhead swing from a crusher as a psyker

[midnight jolt]

try them, you'd be surprise how fast they are allowing you hit 3 targets in the time Illisi hit 3

[radiant frigate]

dueling sword is just a forceless deimos

[strange fox]

Not sure if i do. I feel like i'm missing something and i don't know what, i'v tried 3 16 toughness curios tried 2 and 20 health. And still i feel like i'm dying faster then i should from just a single hit if my toughness breaks

[spice veldt]

as in it hit you but it didn't full kill you?

[hearty oak]

Unless overtoughness saves you from one-shot attacks

[radiant frigate]

or like, a deimos without slaughterer

[midnight jolt]

no, I disagree

[spice veldt]

yeah overtoughness does that

[radiant frigate]

i have on occasion survived overheads

[spice veldt]

it's special-cased against bursters, overheads, sniper shots, and maybe something else I'm forgetting

[radiant frigate]

it did leave me very confused

[midnight jolt]

you don't need a wound curio, don't be like Sekiro 😂

[strange fox]

Don't be silly we can't parry.

https://tenor.com/view/game-combat-sekiro-from-software-gif-12490160

[radiant frigate]

devil's claw would like to know your location

[midnight jolt]

Kat, you have to test the weapons, for few matches, even if it looks like they suck at 1st

[radiant frigate]

i have

they just happen to be not to my liking

[strange fox]

My Deimos and I on Scryers are a fucking blender.

[radiant frigate]

except axe, never tried tac axe

knife i have only played on zealot and i was not impressed

[midnight jolt]

tac axe is just a faster DS4, with spammable push attack, very solid IMHO

[radiant frigate]

funny movetech sure but beyond that?

[strange fox]

Uh sword kill all things even Carapace. MK IV Force Sword go BRRRR GYAT

[radiant frigate]

i was talking about knife

[strange fox]

Idk what Gyat means i'm fucking out of touch with zoomies

[radiant frigate]

why'd you say it then

genuine question

[strange fox]

Isn't that the new cool slang kids use these days?

[radiant frigate]

i'm old, i wouldn't know

[strange fox]

Like drip or swag or some other dumb shit

[midnight jolt]

I can't talk in signs 😂

[hearty oak]

I was at full 150 overtoughness and a crusher just comes out and slams me and I thought I dodged it but I was pleasantly surprised I wasn't downed by it

Finally having a strong enough spine to take the hit

[untold niche]

barring high apm gunker, is psyker actually harder to play than zealot?

[strange fox]

Dude if a poxwalker looks at you, and you have 0 toughness ur dead

A zealot can tank an overhead from a crusher on damnation

[untold niche]

thats on full toughness

[hard widget]

personally, I find psyker hardest to play, but I also have the least playtime on psyker among the classes so 🤷

zealot and ogryn are easy, ogryn cant die, zealot is a meat blender, vet voc and nade spam and ammo is fun

psyker kinda hard for me

[untold niche]

im asking because i found zealot harder but i see alot of people say psyker is harder
my voidstrike psyker does better than my caxe zealot :v

[wind spruce]

Psyker has highest skill floor

Staves have lowest skill ceiling

[untold niche]

with psyker i can confidently stand infront of 3 crusher and 2 rager and not give a shit

with zealot i have to give up space slowly

[hard widget]

get a bigger melee weapon and optimize skill tree a lil bit and for me zealot is just overflowing with steroids

[strange fox]

If you're using smite that's not hard.

[rose dagger]

Zealot has highest skill ceiling imo

[untold niche]

i'm not

im using voidstrike

[wind spruce]

Or any of the staves

[untold niche]

so when people say psyker is hard usually they are referring to the high apm gunker?

but i personally just don't believe many people would try that

[wind spruce]

What is this high apm gunker you are referring to

[untold niche]

shoot 1-2 assail, swap to gun to get the blessings, then swap to ds4 then swap again

the gameplay style where you are basically almost always switching weapons

[wind spruce]

Ah yeah

That is tough, but that's not why psyker is considered hard

[untold niche]

then why is psyker hard

[wind spruce]

It's simply because psyker is the squishiest

So when you aren't that great/new to the game you will suffer

[untold niche]

yeah but you look at at something and everything dies

i could have half the toughness and i would prob still do the same on psyker

[wind spruce]

Sounds like you know how to use your tools to stay alive

Which isn't easy for most people

[hard widget]

psyker melts pretty fast if you get say, hit by a poxburster

[wind spruce]

Remember most people are bad at video games compared to content creators or even your average discord lurker

[untold niche]

even at half toughness thats only half your hp gone iirc

[hard widget]

yeah but that hurts you more than it does the other classes is my point

[untold niche]

nah i just found zealot harder
even though caxe one taps everything, i feel like im just existing

for some reason

and i find that really weird lol

i don't feel im doing great on zealot

like zealot i can actually run solo and survive

but

im just there

[hard widget]

I love zealot, almost exclusively because I get massive speed and I can use my melee weapon for everything, I very rarely pull out my secondary on zealot

just fury of the faithful, dodges, dashes , sprints

[spice veldt]

poxbursters ignore your toughness

they'll deal the same amount of damage regardless

[untold niche]

ah
then yeah its just half hp

its not that much imo :v

[spice veldt]

100 damage, 50 corruption and 50 health dmg in the inner radius, and 65 health damage and 35 corruption in the outer radius iirc

[untold niche]

on zealot sometimes you get bad timing and then get netted at the end of your slide
its way harder for me to kill more than 1 crusher on zealot as well

atm im grinding for boltgun, which apparently rekts crushers

[hard widget]

with caxe its harder for me too

but not with eviscerators, or hsword or thammer

[untold niche]

i used to run crusher weapon but even with that, its more of "you won't die and can take them out" rather than you know "killing" them

[untold niche]

whats the hsword threshold for crushers?

i don't wanna run evis because that looks too meta for me

i tried thammer and just thought i might as well play ogryn

[hard widget]

mk15 is very easy to use yes

but the boltgun setup doesnt work well for me on zealot, because I find relying on the big melee weapons and melee combat works a lot better than dealing with long boltgun draw times

columnus is good as is kantrael shottie

[untold niche]

nah i wouldnt run colum either

for the same reason

evis, column, pfoom pfoom gun, psword are stuff i will never touch

[hard widget]

whats pfoom pfoom gun

[untold niche]

the gun that makes that sound

on vet

[spice veldt]

plasmagun probably

[untold niche]

blue gun

[hard widget]

also hsword is just about as meta as evisc, if not more

[untold niche]

really? i don't see it that often i think.
and evisc looks really braind dead

not that caxe is any better

[hard widget]

mk15 is very easy to use

and its good

its a tad slow, but its more than sufficient with your attack speed buffs on zealot

[spice veldt]

hsword is pretty meta yeah

[untold niche]

mk15 is hsword or evisc?

[hard widget]

evis

new evis

mk2 is old evis

[untold niche]

yeah i see it has everything due, horde clear, can kill maulers

and the horde clear is literally horizontal swings back to back

looks boring as fuck

i might as well play normal damnation

[strange fox]

Question are there only +1 wound curios or is there a +2?

Idk if +2 exists

[untold niche]

only +1
but with photoshop you can even get +3

[hard widget]

what are you running on psyker though, I find zealot super easy and psyker a tad harder, mostly because Im using purg staff and I hate brainburst

[strange fox]

Ah

[untold niche]

voidstrike build
venting shriek and DD

and i peril edge
i don't know if thats optimal gameplay or not though.
the psyker regulars around here i don't think they peril edge

[hard widget]

voidstrike is pretty meta afaik

I think people consider it the best all around staff, but I dunno, I dont have a well rolled voidstrike staff yet

plus I like the purgatus playstyle

only problem is I despise using brainburst and I gotta whip out deimos all the time for crusher packs

[untold niche]

i feel psyker is really build dependent
could be your build has some issues

uh, can't you just not take brainburst?
e.g. is it possible for your build to not take bb

i assumed with purg you would run ds4

[hard widget]

I could not take brainburst thats true

but I dunno, im hoping il get around to enjoying brainburst

[untold niche]

this game isn't worth it to play this way imo :v

[hard widget]

yeah but also like

i dont like the talents around assail for my setup

malefic momentum and mind in motion aint doing much for me rn

[untold niche]

idk i would run ds4 and assail on purg
but i have never touched purge
else you could always run smite and not use it

[hard widget]

Id rather not run smite tbh, Im not a fan of either surge staff or smite

same reason I dont enjoy chorus on zealot

would much rather have serious killing power than some killing power and v good support and cc

[untold niche]

then run assail
purg crits right?
so i would assume it procs EE alot

wait

why are you not a fan of malefic

[hard widget]

Im running ee anyway, and purg crits yes

[untold niche]

assail prov malefic and you swap to your melee

assail/purg

[digital narwhal]

I love Malefic Momentum

[hard widget]

I dont like it on purg

[untold niche]

oh yeah about void, i feel to do good on void you have to be really ballsy

when i realized what i can do with void

heh heh

does a5mael or a5quickpaly give more stuff?

[midnight jolt]

tac axe mk2 vs m7, whats the difference?

[rigid sky]

What's a good skill tree to complement a fire trauma staff?

[rigid sky]

I think the II is all vertical lights, horizontal heavies - the VII has alternating vertical and horizontal swings in both light and heavy pure chains, so you have to alternate attacks with it for consistency

[untold niche]

i put it this way @hard widget
psyker needs abit of brain to stay alive imo
but on zealot i have zero idea how to improve so that im carrying

[midnight jolt]

Excellent, thank you Brunt:

[hard widget]

what setup are you running on zealot

apart from chain axe

[untold niche]

not chaxe, caxe
rashad combat axe

palying wound

and i dont have my bolt gun yet so volvo

[hard widget]

tell me your axe has brutal momentum

[untold niche]

yeah it does

so yeah
i mean its also slightly due to the fact on zealot i play kinda stupid like run into 10 gunners and try to solo them

[quick python]

the way the GOD EMPEROR intended you to

[hard widget]

that works, if you dodge slide at least

this is how I run martyrdom

with either eviscerator

and i almost ignore the ranged weapon

[rigid sky]

This is my skill tree at the moment but it feels quite weak (and not having venting shriek kills me a lot more than I'd like to admit) https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b25492a-bb94-45d7-b11b-8f030e31018c - what should I change in skills?

[stone canyon]

Aslong as you keep dodge sliding and pulling em to melee, should be fine. Dodge slides really trivialized gunner threats

[hard widget]

@untold niche I had purge the unclean and sustained assault too, but I basically dumped them and ive had a much better time with getting backstabber, second wind and blood redemption, it makes you very durable passively, I almost never use my ranged weapons on martyrdrom zealot for anoint in blood to be that useful, and dont need sustained assault with eviscerator personally

[rigid sky]

I think I could take out puppet master and get battle meditation and another free point

but not sure where to put it

maybe soul eater

[spice veldt]

yeah

either some toughness gen node or +toughness

[rigid sky]

but idk, I feel like this build is the most dangerous on peril out of any I run

I overheat with my staff and with assail quite fast

maybe battle meditation makes enough of a difference on it

but all my other builds run warp charges and I want at least one that doesn't

and I don't run assail usually too

[untold niche]

iirc blood redemption is broken

[hard widget]

second wind aint though

[untold niche]

i took purge the unclean because i had two points

i mainly wanted sa

almost permanent 20% damage

[hard widget]

I can see that on caxe

but on eviscerator Id rather have second wind, because pog dodge buffs, and backstabber comes in handy when you're revving into crushers and bulwarks, because their back is what happens to get hit a lot

but mostly I just wanted second wind, because its good on martyrdom for the easy defensive boost, and sustained assault aint doing that much

[untold niche]

if i wanted to be top heavy i would go mid and left instead
immo nades also give you the + hp on damage taken one

[hard widget]

I dont like the mid tree except for the immo nades

[untold niche]

this has alot of synnergy with wound

and the secoond life nodes

[hard widget]

disdain though

[whole shoal]

disdain is whatever on caxe though

[untold niche]

i would have that, i said mid and left xD

[hard widget]

is disdain sus on caxe

I dunno

it could be, but I assume it gets value with bromomentum

[whole shoal]

its sus due to overkill

don't really need it to hit breakpoints

[hard widget]

ah that makes sense

[whole shoal]

but I run sustained assault out of habit because 20% potential dmg makes the monkey brain go brrr

so w/e

[hard widget]

I wish immo nades were on the left tree, I like nothing in the middle tree except the nades

[untold niche]

i run SA because lazorr told me to run it

[hard widget]

sa is good with axe anyway

[whole shoal]

i still prefer stun nades because i got used to them since release lol

[hard widget]

stun nades are good on martyr

but like

boring af

[untold niche]

@hard widget how do you not like this on wound build >:v

[hearty oak]

Immo grenades are just too good to not use.

[whole shoal]

I'd rather kill trash in glorious melee combat

than throw a nade

[hard widget]

that one talent is good yes, but like, Im getting so much survivability already

[untold niche]

i use immo nade for bulwark and crusher
because i am scrub

[whole shoal]

immo nade for lil bitches that can't melee

[untold niche]

btw both Annoint and purge the unclean makes for breakpoints

[hearty oak]

I use them at chokepoints to cook bulwark feets and a crowd of ragers

[whole shoal]

anyways this is psyker chat lol

[untold niche]

annoint to 1 tap gunners with revolvo
and PTU to 1 tap rager with crusher

[hard widget]

Oh shit this is psyker chat

[untold niche]

thats the ones i know

[hard widget]

[hearty oak]

psyker nades when?

[whole shoal]

Aoe brain burst pls

[untold niche]

smite is our nade :p

BB is our throwing knife
technicallyh we have assail but

[hearty oak]

Takes grenades to use your brain. Don't ask

[hard widget]

let psyker throw rocks telekinetically

[whole shoal]

magneto rocks Pogger

[hearty oak]

loads a grenade into the back of my skull to load an aoe bb

[untold niche]

psyker should

[hearty oak]

Like I said before. They can make bb into like missile lock thing. Look at 5 different targets before bursting and suddenly it's really good

[untold niche]

set ogryn rock on fire

molten rock

[whole shoal]

Vt1 bolt staff lmao

[midnight jolt]

I'm thinking to replace maniacs by weak point dmg so I can hit break points easier when clearing enemies:

[hearty oak]

Just saying. And if you want to talk balance, it'll take two bbs to kill a gunner now but you can hold to lock on more bb to the same target

[midnight jolt]

would I be crazy to think this would work better for me?

[whole shoal]

never

10% weakspot and crit dmg are garbage atm

[haughty star]

I think it would be better if they just boosted the damage and cast speed by like 30 percent

[whole shoal]

weakspot and crit are bad because the 10% only applies to the extra damage of crit/weakspot, not the entire overall damage

[haughty star]

It don't have to do multiple targets just let it be good at what it's objective purpose is

[midnight jolt]

I see, is the same shitty formula as crit dmg

[whole shoal]

if you do 100 and 150 on crit, you're only getting an extra 5 damage instead of 15

yea lol

thanks sweden

[midnight jolt]

I don't think maniacs are too beneficial because you have to deal with them in a different way, at least for me,
I may change my mind later, I would even go for something like crit chance instead

[hearty oak]

I don't know man. I would prefer to make it more prevalent or more noticeable

[whole shoal]

could check if unarmored hits a n breakpoints

[midnight jolt]

I was thinking about that, because for crit chance I would need more crit chance than just 5%

[hearty oak]

You bb a gunner and no one notices. You bb 2 gunners and a half and suddenly, it gets better

[haughty star]

It is still good with EP and shit tbh

3 taps crushers and 2 taps em with ep rather than tickling them or bouncing a dumb needle thing off their head

Actually does okay bossing damage

Instead of literally nothing

[whole shoal]

BB with the speed up on cast from venting and EP does do pretty good boss burst

BB should just have the fast cast from venting as base lol

[granite mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[whole shoal]

Sometimes you can't cast the second amendment due to loadout

gotta make due

[granite mauve]

i want bb to get buffed

either increase cast speed

or increase dmg

your choice fatshar

[whole shoal]

tbh probably increased dmg to 2shot crushers on damnation

so nothing takes more than 2shot

[hearty oak]

I think bb was immediately outdated when they increased the elite and special spawns

[whole shoal]

1shot everything except ogryns without talent, and 2shot crushers/bulwarks

[hearty oak]

That's why I'm saying it needs to be changed to target more

[whole shoal]

I guess 2shot maulers too

fast cast makes it feel usable like from venting shriek

can't be having that QoL on an infinite resource now :V

[haughty star]

If it targeted more than one it'd literally be overpowered lol ep and the ability use fast cast make it feel really strong

All it needs is a slight base tune imo

[hearty oak]

#psyker-class message

[haughty star]

I agree with all of this tbh

[whole shoal]

giving it slight aoe cleave would be sort of interesting lol

[haughty star]

I was uh.. I was there. Idk why you link message lol

[whole shoal]

but tbh, damage is all it needs since it already has some pretty good perks

[hearty oak]

Cause you said it be busted. It would not be busted

[whole shoal]

being able to snipe things hiding behind cover from infinite range with no resource is pretty valuable

[hearty oak]

Maybe on anything lower than damnation

[haughty star]

It would literally be busted if it targeted more than one thing lol

What point would assail have then

[hearty oak]

but let's speed up the cast speed and damage by 30%

[haughty star]

Other than really bad horde clear

[whole shoal]

don't think I said speed up cast speed and damage lol

one or the other, both would be sort of silly

[haughty star]

For one target lol that's way less of a buff than multi targeting 5 things lol

[hard widget]

just give bb better animations tbh

[whole shoal]

BB 2 shotting mutants would be nice too

[hard widget]

bb cant 2 shot muties?

[haughty star]

It does empowered

[whole shoal]

need empowered to do so

[hearty oak]

It still be really mid. It's not overpowering if it takes 2 hits of bb to kill a gunner

Same cast speed too

[whole shoal]

2 hits of bb to multitarget gunners vs 2 casts of BB to kill 2 gunners

sort of the same thing

[hard widget]

I hate using bb, Im getting rid of it and using assail with purg staff , deimos can handle the rest

[haughty star]

What purpose would assail have than other than worse horde clear than smite ?

[hearty oak]

Faster cast. Throw and forget

[whole shoal]

would still be faster than BB

[spice veldt]

dealing with slightly tougher chaff

[hard widget]

also, whats the best setup for completing warp battery penance

[haughty star]

Making it multi target would be big dumb

[whole shoal]

whats warp battery penance again

oh max stacks for 5 mins

[haughty star]

Literally supposed to be high damage single target blitz lol

[hard widget]

stay at max warp charges for 300 seconds iirc

[whole shoal]

surge and brain brurst probably

[spice veldt]

yeah i'd just keep its core single-target and then just other cool multitarget stuff like explosions or adding wrack & ruin back

(and then killing perilous combustion)

[whole shoal]

Voidstrike brain burst is good too

[hard widget]

I havent done it yet, I got no clue what to use for it, other than ws ofc

[spice veldt]

add cool stuff to EP instead of just making it a numerical buff

[haughty star]

I've got it by accident lmao

[whole shoal]

I basically just play voidstrike with no ability since its busted

[stone canyon]

Dont take 6 warp stacks atleast, keep it 4, then busy mission with lots of spawns. I just got accidentally mission where i had no time to even keep eye on those stacks

[whole shoal]

8% peril per cast at 6 stacks is pretty funny

[tulip kettle]

i think if you change maniac to infested you SHOULD one shot every trash unit with a headshot light attack, but i might be thinking of the mk8 taxe

[hard widget]

yeah, so far I take warp siphon with 4 warp stacks , but which blitz and weapon

[haughty star]

What would taking less stacks actually do for you lol

[whole shoal]

brain burst and surge for easiest way to snipe elites/specials

[haughty star]

It's about the decay

[stone canyon]

Get faster to max stacks

[hard widget]

OH GOD MORE BB?!

[whole shoal]

BB for shit thats far away you know no one can kill in time

since the whole point is to maintain stacks

[stone canyon]

More uptime of being max stacks to get it, but yeah point is mostly just keeping it up once its going

[whole shoal]

Basically pick the weapons best at hunting elite/special kills

its probably slightly easier on damnation/auric because there's more elite spawns to feed off of

[haughty star]

You can horde clear too with the 4 percent

[haughty star]

At this point I forgot that people don't play on auric all the time lol even regular damnatuon is a snooze fest for me lately unless the difficulty director snorts a line of cocaine before that particular match

[midnight jolt]

I have given up on the warp penance, I use double tower shields to protect the simpletons, I can't in a good conscience not use skills just to preserve my stacks, that penance sucks

[whole shoal]

last patch was where the difficulty was good lol

last patch felt like high int current spawns was the normal dam

[midnight jolt]

Some penances basically are: Hinder your skills making others suffer, be subpar, is stupid

[whole shoal]

tbh that penance is pretty easy to get naturally if you're a filthy green circle chaser

Elites and specials always get priority over chaff so if you're good at removing threats that will wipe your team you'll naturally get it

25 seconds between elite kills is pretty generous unless your team is bad at getting to the elevator

[midnight jolt]

I got it there when I was playing bad:

it hasn't progressed one bit in the last 10 days

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hearty oak]

Green circle chaser?

[whole shoal]

Trying to top frag at the cost of teamplay lol

VT2 had scoreboards and would show green circles on the results screen for highest in category

Although tbh the green circles for elite/special kills means you're actually playing the game right

[hearty oak]

I've never heard of that. although coming from payday 2, I did pick up on relying on yourself with pugs

[whole shoal]

Having a good DPS build that can remove the scariest threats just makes life easier, haters can hate :V

because you can't rely on someone else to get that sniper across map for you :V

[haughty star]

Lol you don't have to be bad to do it? I'd say not being able to kill 30-50 elites over the course of 300s is bad imo but who's counting

[spice veldt]

i'd drop from maximum warp charges just from looting

[haughty star]

All jokes aside try it on that carnival or the one with the big open train yard at the end. I use surge staff and smite and I literally got it on accident

[untold niche]

wait so thats like 250 elites full game

[midnight jolt]

when the game decides you can't help your mates anymore 😂

I was thrown to the other side

[hasty breach]

to avoid the UI glitch where +3 stamina is really +2 stamina, does the curio have to be AT or ABOVE 76?

[haughty star]

I mean at least you can kill snipers and shit lmao

[midnight jolt]

I did 😂

[untold niche]

how to get this portrait?

super nice

[haughty star]

Yeah seriously tho if you want that penance just go like surge smiteand go apeshit on carnival that's where I think I picked it up lol

[midnight jolt]

you quit your job

[untold niche]

how does that oh pox burster

[untold niche]

what penance is this

[midnight jolt]

it was a mutant throw

[haughty star]

This was gonna be my guess lmao

[haughty star]

That's a veteran one

[haughty star]

This map would work well for that penance too ngl

[midnight jolt]

is toughness regen speed still a thing?

[spice veldt]

it's the headtaker frame from the vanguard bundle, which was for anyone who played darktide before november 17

[haughty star]

It's generally viewed as pointless cuz you don't regen when you take damage

[midnight jolt]

Too safe?

[spice veldt]

that's a fine selection

[untold niche]

aw man
was that before p13?
look so cool

[midnight jolt]

I know gunner resistance loses like 5% which is fine, it caps at like 55%?

[spice veldt]

i think it was after patch 13

gunner res is multiplicative

[untold niche]

wait then i might ahve it

[spice veldt]

so 2x gunner res is 1 - (1 - 0.2)^2 = 36% DR

and 3x gunner res is 1 - (1 - 0.2)^3 = 48.8% DR

[haughty star]

Bruh I run +3 Stam and 2 toughness with toughness, block efficiency, and health on all of mine with this unholy thing as a sword

I really, really don't like dying to stupid shit lol

[midnight jolt]

I think +3 stamina + kinetic deflection is enough, if you add deflector to that, block efficiency shouldn't be a thing on the curio

[haughty star]

Idk man I can just block a aggroed plague ogryn or chaos spawn until it leaves me alone

[untold niche]

yeah i tanked a DH with +3 stam ( or it was +2 can';t rmb), KD and deflector

wait

i remember

deflector doesn't work on melee hits

only ranged hits

[haughty star]

Deflector don't work on melee

[midnight jolt]

+30% block efficiency

[haughty star]

It doesn't work on melee

[spice veldt]

the block eff only applies to ranged attacks

it's an unlisted quirk

[midnight jolt]

that's kind of depressing

[untold niche]

arco i knwo someone did a code dive on that, b ut ahve you ever tested it for yourself?

[spice veldt]

i tested it like some time before patch 12 a long time ago

[haughty star]

Like I know what I got is overkill but I never use my sword hardly at all on my surge smite build and curios effects are next to pointless so its just kinda funny blocking the world

[spice veldt]

i can test it again to be really really sure

oh my game crashed because i made the criminal mistake of looking at my psyker's inventory

[midnight jolt]

have this one in the works for perfect +5% hp/toughness

[haughty star]

May hadron smile upon it and bless you with a +5 perk

[spice veldt]

yeah just tested and blocking a hit cost 33% stamina both times on the same weapon with the only difference being deflector

[midnight jolt]

So this is one of the best guns in the game? may hunt for one for my Zealot:

[spice veldt]

ye

[lyric burrow]

yeah thats probably the best gun

all the iags are good

and then brautos are also very strong

[cold elm]

melk is selling this

is it worth the buy?

[lyric burrow]

arco youll be happy to hear that i am trying columus on my gun psyker build and not recon atm

[spice veldt]

i'm so proud of you

was the recon too much suffering

[lyric burrow]

i just havent tried it yet lol

[spice veldt]

tsk

[lyric burrow]

idk whats its finesse stats are tbh

[spice veldt]

iz pretty good

[haughty star]

Nice

[lyric burrow]

so i have no clue how bad it will actually be

[near wyvern]

Columnus is love

[spice veldt]

the recon has like 1.5x weakspot damage

[haughty star]

Carapace 4 and unyielding in my opinion and you got a solid stick

[lyric burrow]

oh ok then it might function