psyker-class

[untold niche]

the one on premade

back to back to back

[ionic needle]

I never does anything good on any build, wildfire is trash

[untold niche]

thankfully simulatenous only 2

[hot zephyr]

The mini monsters are more common with one of the modifiers I think

You usually get 3 "real" monstrosities in every run on auric damn

[upper sun]

ok

im taking a break from the game

[deep pine]

my god

what a kick in the balls lol

[midnight jolt]

The rule for curio, don't bother upgrading unless the very 1st perk is good

so you can change 2 of them

[upper sun]

If you can change two then you only need one good one

[deep pine]

well at least you have a set for those days you want to farm ordos on hunting grounds missions 😄

[deep pine]

^^

[midnight jolt]

yes, but time and time again, RNG sucks either on purpose, to keep you playing or whatever, so, don't bother if the very 1st isn't good

[upper sun]

I play gotcha games on mobil that have more mercy than this

[untold niche]

the histg one?

[quasi junco]

no maelstrom

[untold niche]

maelstrom has histg too

well technically called "waves of specialist enemies"

but yeah thats what i meant

[ornate hearth]

I run 30% dockets on all my characters. The real challenge in the game is fighting RNG.

[hot zephyr]

That is some rough luck but you can still salvage a couple of them. Extra dockets isn't bad and revive speed is ok.

[quasi junco]

how does traumablaze compare to surge/creeping flames build?

damage wise

actually im going to test that now

[upper sun]

nah im just gonna do weeklies from now

i need a break ive had too much stuff brick

[hot zephyr]

Fair yeah. You can't grind too hard without burning out

I think that's probably the general setiment right now, I've noticed player pop has really dropped off since the holidays ended

[upper sun]

tbh i even started leaving matches if we dont break 100 plasteel by the half way point

[hot zephyr]

Wait what... I got 240 from a LOSS a few minutes ago....

I guess I go full goblin mode tho

[upper sun]

it varies A LOT

i was doing t4 with a friend we were looking everywhere and i ended up with 140

like t4 high intensity is not worth the touble at that point

[hot zephyr]

Oh, ok. Yeah I've moved to basically only playing auric recently, I'm finding regular T5s are just fustrating with leveling/undergeared players

You do get more losses playing the harder difficulty, but you don't get the fast-wipes when you get to like the first mob pack and two players go down

[upper sun]

usually scripture missions are best for me because people who are grinding books also look everywhere

unless you get the guy with the book mod who makes a bee line for the books then people stop even opening boxes

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I just take it upon myself to check the side alleys and back rooms

When I can I'll direct/lead the group to use those alternate routes to make the fighting easier

[haughty star]

I'm becoming the most durable char on most teams I'm placed with in auric damn now

It's so dumb lol

[hot zephyr]

The game purposely points you into the worse areas to fight, so you gotta realize not to just doggedly try to punch through the most direct path

[haughty star]

Psykwr so glassy yet so durable

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, it's a great feeling

[haughty star]

I'm doing surge/smite with a shield for a sword lol

[hot zephyr]

Increases that confidence to deal damage and thin out waves of enemies

[haughty star]

The "shield"

[hot zephyr]

I've stopped trying to murder everything myself and just thin things out so the team can cleanup

Just try to thumb the scales you know, tip one front in the teams favour then protect another approach

[haughty star]

I made it as a meme but with a single +3 Stam curio on and block eff on two of my curio I can square up with a plague ogryn and even beat it without taking any major damage

[haughty star]

Yeah this is what I do mostly. Take care of back spawn and disablers and taze the fuck out of crushers and other mixins with the surge

Occasionally drop smite when everything gets super hairy

Unironically with the deimos being just a strong weapon in general it makes for a good backup sword for crushers and the like too even without damage blessings or perks

[midnight jolt]

I will stop worrying about damage and score when playing purgatus, this is damnation standard, but in my defense, I provided shields and good stagger and blaze support to hordes:

[haughty star]

Hol up I just took one of these last night finally

im ticklefingers

that's with surge/smite @midnight jolt

[midnight jolt]

😂

don't you love when a pack of dogs come at you how they crash against the psychic wall? I love it, feels like I saved the day

[hearty oak]

If you are using a blazing trauma staff, is wildfire worth considering now?

[midnight jolt]

maybe the support role isn't so bad, just keep the simpletons alive

[haughty star]

i've legit never used the shield

[hearty oak]

Or is that talent just a total waste

[midnight jolt]

from what I have been told is not worthy, perilous combustion yes

[hearty oak]

I ask cause i saw agentchaos using it in one of his videos. But hes not around enough for me to ask

[midnight jolt]

I'm going to test it with purgatus, let me see if it improves my overall dmg

[hearty oak]

You wouldnt need wildfire with a purge staff. But with blazing trauma and how particular the build is, i dont see people talking about it enough

[midnight jolt]

would purgatus benefit from true aim? I don't think so right?

[hearty oak]

I dont use the flame staff

[midnight jolt]

heretic

😂

[flint plover]

I think the main reason to get wildfire is so that stacks of burn are refreshed, not for the damage itself

[haughty star]

i can't get off of this damn surge staff

it's so unironcially good

[hearty oak]

>Uses blue fire
>But im the heretic

[midnight jolt]

is for the emperor 😉

[earnest laurel]

Best staff if you are skilled at movement tbh.

[haughty star]

it's teachin me to be lol

it's probably not the best for damage but the team value it adds for disabling disablers and tazing crushers is just too good

[earnest laurel]

Most people here go on about voidstrike, but you are just not that mobile with it. Surge lets you slide around like crazy.

[quasi junco]

does blazing spirit have a rank 4?

spent 35k plasteel and no luck so far

[haughty star]

i have unyielding on it so non ironiccally im probably usually the 2nd most heavy hitting bosser with it too lmfao

[earnest laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fzoyf4vrvbmqa1.jpg&rdt=57136

[quasi junco]

oh this is on trauma staff

[earnest laurel]

There is rank 4 on all

[vestal fulcrum]

There is no T4 BS on Trauma/Void

[earnest laurel]

You sure?

[vestal fulcrum]

Absolutely.

[quasi junco]

rank 3 max for trauma?

[vestal fulcrum]

Yes it is.

[earnest laurel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/force-staff-trauma/equinox-mk-iii-trauma-force-staff

[vestal fulcrum]

RIP Plasteel

[earnest laurel]

He is right, only rank 3

Gotta check wiki next time I guess

[vestal fulcrum]

Use this mod to avoid surprises in the future
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/138?tab=description

[earnest laurel]

It's pretty underrated. I usually do most damage with it in the match. And the automatic targeting it has, plus the range, makes it kinda stupidly good.

[earnest laurel]

I wanted to get this mod, but half the comments say something aint working, and then other half is somebody saying they did something wrong , or its fixed. Not sure if I wanna try getting it.

[vestal fulcrum]

It's up to you, it's working perfectly fine for me

and has been since October 2023

[earnest laurel]

Ok then. Good to know.

[vestal fulcrum]

(and since then I've basically obtained all the relevant blessings in the game, so it's becoming a little redundant for me )

[earnest laurel]

I still need surge for void, and cleave+ power cycler 2 for vet power sword

fucking rng in this game man

[vestal fulcrum]

It's a mess

One you either cope with or die trying

[earnest laurel]

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[hearty oak]

reason?

[plucky flax]

More fire = more damage.

It's simple physics law.

[haughty star]

Lmb and smite covers all of its main weaknesses

It's just a good balanced staff

I use warp nexus and some void blessing in there

[earnest laurel]

Smite wtih venting shriek or whatever its called is pretty decent at horde clear where surge kinda suffers, yea.

[hearty oak]

On other staffs its just not worth using. Strangely enough it is on blazing trauma

[haughty star]

Only thing I'm missing is the fire effect for vent

I can't justify getting rid of any other perks tho for it as I barely ever vent cuz I like to hold on to my stacks of warp siphon

[plucky flax]

I use it on surge and purga too.

[earnest laurel]

You mean creeping flames? the one that applies soulblaze? If you dont have it, you are missing out on a lot of dmg for horde clear

[orchid shadow]

Especially when you can Shriek almost every 12 seconds in longer fights if some specialists or elites die.

[haughty star]

I just don't use smite that much my guys

Build is focused on keeping damage stacks up and maximizing surge

[earnest laurel]

Yea, if you have combat ability regen on all 3 curious it becomes pretty ridiculous

[haughty star]

If I wanted to shriek that much I'd just run EP and say WS be damned lol

My surge has 80 quell so I dump peril like yesterday

[earnest laurel]

In my games, if I wouldnt be using shriek a lot, my team would die by hordes almost every game. When you play with randoms, who tend to be , I dont know, half asleep or something, you kind of have to have a response for everything imo.

[haughty star]

Just smite in general is fine for increasing team durability

I smite/release early too so everything is either flattened or doing the tickle dance

Then I quick swap to surge to dump peril and repeat

Or just stay on surge and thin em out until they get bunched up again

[earnest laurel]

If it works I guess

[haughty star]

Like I know creeping flames does some aoe or cc damage but I'm not using smiting for damage necessarily. It takes a minute to build those stacks back up and I want my damage lol

Dis what I got but with the point for creeping flames into the one that reduces 10 percent peril on kill

[untold niche]

personalyl i prefer fast loses rather than those slog games where you knnow you are going to lose

i had one drag out so long, i kept thinking when are we going to lose
then i jsut quit

and personally after my 1 month break i really just play for fun now instead of optimally

[potent echo]

hopefully we get some news of an update soon

[haughty star]

Optimizing is for games that you can make people cry on

As long as you doing AD and/or having fun that's all that matters to me with this dumb game lol

[potent echo]

AD

[untold niche]

i had games where i got downed 6 times but have highest stats for almsot everything without a smite psyker

[cold elm]

brunt just sold me this

hows the roll?

[earnest laurel]

Wasnt wildfire not good because of a bug? Would rather take psy aura node next to it

[untold niche]

quick question
is ds4 + assail a good build?
saw a few people running it on male

mael*

[cold elm]

ds4?

[earnest laurel]

he means this probably https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Deimos_Mk_IV_Blaze_Force_Sword

[untold niche]

duelling sword 4

[cold elm]

oh. yeah. assail pairs well with ds

[untold niche]

no strictly assail + ds4

[earnest laurel]

Oh. Well its goood. The sword for crushers and maulers. And for horde clear assail. Decent.

[untold niche]

no gun/staff

[untold niche]

yeah but i see assail + ds4 on gunker

noty pure assailk + ds4

[earnest laurel]

What do you mean, like with a gun? And scriers gaze?

I mean, if you see them do well, then its good, isnt it?

[minor juniper]

What is the best way to build the MK V Blaze force sword

[idle mesa]

Guys I was wondering is only the female savant not having unique lines with gaze or the other personalities aswell repeat the same lines while using gaze?

[steep fractal]

Pretty darn good, I'd be happy with that unless i was going for a true perfect roll

[raw rivet]

I think I’ve heard multiple on the female savant but I haven’t played with gaze that much

[untold niche]

as in they don't use their secondary weapon
and yeah its good. actually they doing better than me
is there some sort of gameplay optimization

[idle mesa]

No female repeats the same voice lines from shriek even if you use gaze. If you use or hear Male the voice lines are different when he uses gaze which is very unfortunate since I'd like those lines on female aswell

[raw rivet]

Swear I’ve heard more than one but I might be delusional

[earnest laurel]

I'd search around on youtube

[midnight jolt]

Almost perfect, get something else good in it and you are set

[untold niche]

the first guy did poorly, when i asked was when i just started a new game
i just found it weird they totally don't use their secondary wepaon

[idle mesa]

Trust me when I tell you the lines are the same as shriek for female. Female doesn't say " no more hiding " " I bring justice to Atoma " " the Lex has found you " this is what male says and few more but I don't recall them at the moment. I only have female savant Psyker and unfortunately can't have more than 5 slots per character. Do you remember what lines she says that you think are unique with gaze?

[steep fractal]

I would just be happy they weren't one of those psykers that never uses anything but smite, even on bosses

[untold niche]

i never had one even on bosses but those smite mains make the game unfun because it gets too easy

i mean who can't shoot enemies standing totally still with no threat

[steep fractal]

Except most of them die if they get cut off from the group and need to actually kill something themselves

[earnest laurel]

I have heard many talk about these psykers. But I have never actually met one. Sounds like people might be exaggerating.

[steep fractal]

I've gotten 3-4 of them that i personally saw smiting a boss with no other enemies around

[cold elm]

eww

smitimg a boss is pointless

[steep fractal]

Well, unless theres a horde of scary enemies around it that the smite can spread to

[earnest laurel]

I love smite. Feels good to stagger 4 crushers, so your team can knock their heads off.

[steep fractal]

Smite is great, i just wish people would recognize when its better to stop and just... Kill the enemies

Like why are you smiting 3 pox walkers just kill them and move on

[earnest laurel]

3 is a bit dumb yea

But probably many hold on to smite to 100% , so they can do venting shriek

I think thats why many get pissed

at psykers

but its good horde clear that way

[cold elm]

i prefer bb

[untold niche]

i need pox burster resist

[steep fractal]

I use bb as well, but if i was using a different build where u didn't need it id take smite 100%

[earnest laurel]

I think brainburst does way too little damage for how long you have to charge it, even with empowered

But I guess if it was better faster would be op, dont know. Just doesnt feel good to me.

[vocal cliff]

It's all on the playstyle, as assail or smite allow you to get away with dealing with groups while BB is more specialized on single target so you don't see it as much during hordes however it can be better than the 2 when dealing with any specialists should you get the lock

Tho I do agree on the alt charge kinda existing just to prepare for enemies around the corner

So I typically don't use it as much

[languid osprey]

right click BB could do dmg if you cut it half way

[steep fractal]

I do wish vanilla bb didn't feel so awful to use, but ep charges are easy enough to sustain seeing as most of what i kill with it are gunners, shotguns, and ragers

[earnest laurel]

Its just I notice when people have bb in a group with me, I just kill specials so fast, they dont even have a chance to use it really. The only build I use bb for is purgatus . And that's just because purg has somewhat bad range.

[languid osprey]

since you have to aim and be exposed

[vocal cliff]

Ig itll also boil down to killing specials and elites efficiency

If the team can kill the almost immediately

You're only really gonna kill the ones that aren't there

[earnest laurel]

Also people tend to target closest specials or crushers whatever, that are coming at the team, so psykers often also target them, and by the time they have charged up their attack, the teammates have focused it , and killed it

[vocal cliff]

That's why I typically target the ones in the back

But I'll still BB the enemies they're fighting say a flamer or trapper joins while they're fighting some elites

[earnest laurel]

Its just funny how ppl complain about that. But like, if your bb isn't charged, what are they supposed to do, eat a hit , so you can brainburst that one special. Kinda funny.

Also targeting back ones is wise.

[steep fractal]

It is annoying when the vet on the team kills everything before i can charge, but its disturbingly rare that i get a vet thats actually good at their job and im fine with just playing a different role its not like my build is centered on bursting everything all the time i got two more weapons

[earnest laurel]

Well, thats the thing, if he can kill a special faster, without taking potential damage, why wouldnt he

its kinda entitled

[steep fractal]

Just keep it in the wings for what bb is REALLY good for, grabbing a lock on a fleeing bomber or trapper running around a corner before the vet can draw a bead on them

[idle mesa]

@raw rivet I just did some research and yes unfortunately as I thought only female savant is missing gaze unique lines. If you care hers the video I saw the female line should be at 46:54 and clearly skips gaze https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE8ZN18ka98

[earnest laurel]

I honestly hate it how you can't like change voices or something after creating a character

[plucky flax]

No cdr at all interesting.

[cold elm]

use your ult plus EP makes it charge MUCH faster. with 3 stacks of ep and your ult you can take a miniboss to half health very quickly before you run out of quickened charge

[idle mesa]

Yeah... and if you delete it you lose everything aswell

[earnest laurel]

I guess thats pretty good , yea

[earnest laurel]

I would probably take the node next to wildfire , instead of wildfire , the cdr one . Also wasnt wildfire bugged?

[plucky flax]

No.

It works as intended.

It spreads fire.

[untold niche]

wildfire not bugged

its just the text is misleading

[earnest laurel]

On surge it isnt that good imo. On trauma maybe, or am I wrong?

[midnight jolt]

For wild fire lovers:

[queen fog]

As a broski who enjoys flame sprinkling with purg staff I can say for certain wildfire still work

[earnest laurel]

on purg , yea but surge

[untold niche]

also agent, after looking up trauma blessing when i was asking you about it previously i realized then why you like wildfire so much

[untold niche]

you notti boy

[queen fog]

Unless ur going vet mode with the specialist murders to proc the other talent I don’t see it snowballing too much

Could still work with enough bodies tho

[untold niche]

thats why i play histg before switching over to mael
histg is just a buff for PC

[plucky flax]

Idk it works good for me on surge too. I had more warpfire than the purgatus guy.

[queen fog]

Ooo inspirational numbers

[plucky flax]

800k damage in 31 mins is kinda cracked.

[earnest laurel]

Hm, Might have to test it out in training room

[untold niche]

wait on mael?
truly top tier psyker

[plucky flax]

Check specials killed and shooters kill counts.

No it's on low intensity.

[untold niche]

yeah i saw

i didnt even care about damage

[plucky flax]

Tru I only care plasteels.

[untold niche]

i want 2 b like u

[plucky flax]

(I got top plasteels)

[untold niche]

Wow

how come you don't accept me as ur student

i want to be top tier plasteel farmer

[idle mesa]

Guys what do you think is best getting psionic amplified power at 12.5% chance with any kill or guaranteed on elite kills?

[plucky flax]

[earnest laurel]

Id say elite

[untold niche]

agent

i trying grind for caxe now
very sad

no dump stats

orther than mobil

sorry im very bored
pls forgive mindless spam

[earnest laurel]

They should really implement some system for the teammates that dont pickup any plasteel. Fucking annoying having to fight off 5 specials to get plasteel, while your team zooms ahead, and probably even goes down without you.

[idle mesa]

I guess is better? I mean I still have the 7.5%

[plucky flax]

If you use antax cleave targets could be dump stat.

Since you'd be running bm anyway.

If you're not running bm though then you'd need cleave targets.

[untold niche]

yeah but rashad meta in terms of axes

[plucky flax]

Idk I use both.

Both gud.

[untold niche]

tact axes too?

[plucky flax]

Antax better special and push attack. Rashad better heavies.

[untold niche]

i remember reading caxe has faster heavies, but thats all i remember

[plucky flax]

No I don't touch those they are stinky.

[untold niche]

antax staggers ragers on heavy too right?
or is that taxe
i know caxe doesn't
im out of dockets, what does antax special do?

[orchid shadow]

Depends on what you're pairing with it. I go with 12.5% as there's only a handful of elites that you can reliable one shot with BB to chain kills., With Smite you're getting the benefit of potentially refreshing with anything in horde which will usually net you at least one charge on a longer fight, if not all 3.

[plucky flax]

On my build on zealot I can stagger rager on light attack.

I take the 50% more stagger on headshot talent.

[untold niche]

mommentum build?

[plucky flax]

Stealth loner either martyrdom or momentum.

[untold niche]

and yeah, what does antax special do?
i would buy one and try but im out of dockets and i want to save for rolls

[idle mesa]

True on smite I have the 12,5. This one I'm using assail plus shriek and going to use a purgatus staff and a force sword

[plucky flax]

Both rashad and antax special stagger.

But antax comes out super fast.

[untold niche]

its a diagonal like rashad's?

iirc rashad special is from below diagonal , but quite vertical

[plucky flax]

It's a straight jab.

Very cool.

[orchid shadow]

I have all of 30 minutes of using Assail, so I can't recommended anything there. 😛

[untold niche]

i see

i don't like stealth because its only for 1 hit

[plucky flax]

Tru I use it mostly for objectives and resting.

Ressing

[idle mesa]

Hahaha lul is all good, was so funny when assail and smite were op, people kept complaining about Psykers and ruining their game

[untold niche]

very sad, no points for grev wounds

[plucky flax]

Kinda top heavy.

[untold niche]

i could get it if i ran without immo nades yeah

[near wyvern]

Holy fuck I managed to pull together a lasgun build on Psyker that actually works but man you gotta get some sweaty rolls to get the one shot break points.

[languid osprey]

for me lasgun works better than mk5

[orchid shadow]

How sweaty do the rolls need to be?

[zinc phoenix]

Spill them 🫘

Because emprah hates me I have some absurdly well rolled lasguns on my psyker 😂

And the idea of causing extreme vet malding with a lasgun psyker entertains the shit outta me

[hot zephyr]

I'm mega curious now cus I've got a few lasguns that are pretty sweaty but sit on the sidelines

[near wyvern]

The closer you get to 80 damage 80 stopping power with +25% flak perk and T4 opening salvo the better.

[zinc phoenix]

Im imagining smite, sg, dd with a big focus on crit

[dapper shadow]

They still do that now I don’t get it

Tldr ‘I can’t shoot stuff and carry as much so I’m not having fun’

[untold niche]

im switching back to zealot, its not good
i can't do ego plays like face tank mixed horde with 6 crushers anymore

[near wyvern]

The whole thing explained. But TLDW is you throw 2-3 LMB Assails, then pull out your gun. Take your time to line up that one shot and in the mean while your Assails are enjoying the +20% from opening salvo. I also have Deadly Accurate on it since it makes Crit weakspot Assails also one shot a bunch of stuff.

https://youtu.be/RtEm40UY-x0

Talent build is timestamped in the description and should be visible also on the timeline

It is quite strict and not a lot of room for modifications

[untold niche]

basically this is peak gunker build?

[zinc phoenix]

I have trouble grasping why assail if kant12, especially when sg would seem a better fit for weak spot crit fishing

[near wyvern]

Yes. Like actually being able to snipe without feeling handicapped.

[near wyvern]

Cause I am not reliant on the crit to one shot. Once I have DD stacked to 15 (through Assail weave mostly) which happens surprisingly often by just playing the game all I need is peril above 50% which comes again very naturally with Assail weave and we are one shotting all but Maulers, Ogryns, Mutants and Ragers without needing to crit.

[zinc phoenix]

Ok, I’ll mess about with it, it’s a fun idea going full meme

[near wyvern]

It sorta is a meme but then again you do get top score quite often so while it is a very chill build you tend to pull weight by just fucking around

Like specials / disablers / elite kills are often high as well as total damage done

[zinc phoenix]

What’s the plan against crusher mobs?

Does it do enough with peril/deadly accurate/opening salvo and crit etc to pop them them with headshots?

[steel flame]

I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED

[mighty cipher]

I havent played since the fight with the twins was the new thing, anything important to know?

[steep fractal]

Wolfer wants the inquisitions wings clipped

[haughty star]

I just don't need to vent that much. I witch to my surge with 80 quell to dump and regen

[split oxide]

trauma staff was such a mistake by FS.

• staff attack-pattern is aesthetically pleaseing, but:
• even hordes move fast
• they have guns.
• useful as a 'wall of devastation' two-feet in front of psyker, but targeting further away is console-controller-level awkward

[steep fractal]

Yeah the trauma staff sucks nobody here uses that garbage

[unkempt hare]

Surge is where it's at

That or void strike

[steel flame]

ZAZY WAS SUMMONED BY THE CIRCLE OF GUN PSYKERS AND ZAZY SHALL PROVIDE

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b23c1db-8505-44e8-a1a0-628b0ca9db1c/pew-pew-payjer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[split oxide]

I'm just watching multiple Streamers trying to generate video-content demonstrating it, but I keep thinking:
Void,Surge,Purg would be so much simpler
Mutually exclusive goals:

• make things easier for Trauma to target
• make enemies move fast or shoot remotely to avoid gunfire

[plucky flax]

So tru

Nobody ever does well with blaze trauma

[steel flame]

Yeah blaze trauma kinda trash tier. Who would want a staff that only kills 1k enemies per match

[plucky flax]

Big tru

[split oxide]

premade team?
oh wait, you must be one of those god-tier players that can use spoons as lethal weapons

• for normal players, it's trash.

[plucky flax]

I am normal player only soloq.

[marble crater]

I'm a noob and I love my subpar blaze trauma too

[plucky flax]

Fresh out of the oven cooking heretics. 1.2k kills in 30 mins kinda sick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmMGD1ev5rE

[split oxide]

I saw that video... which is why I'm posting this comment

[plucky flax]

[radiant sleet]

I have a god void staff and a decent enough purg, should I put myself through the hell of getting a god trauma next?

[plucky flax]

No it's impossible.

[radiant sleet]

I guess a perfect 550 is literally impossible but I wanna put circles on the ground that knock over the dumb hammer fatties

[plucky flax]

Oh then any trauma staff can do that.

[radiant sleet]

Is the strat to make a blazing one just rolling on low-ish traumas to farm the T3 blessing and putting it on a high roll?

Bc I imagine the chances of rolling a T3 on a 380 are slim

[split oxide]

trauma works against crushers.
But when you have swarm hordes, it's harder to target.
So yeah, I understand; crushers can traumatize most people to the point their next strat is based around that.

[marble crater]

Just target where your zealot is standing

[radiant sleet]

Crushers are my bane when I'm not running voidstrike, I still dont have rending on my deimos so its rough when I want to play purgatus

[plucky flax]

No duelling sword with uncanny?

[split oxide]

Zealot's in the other room collecting materials..

• you have muties closing in .
• multiple scab shooters from the scaffolding.

[radiant sleet]

Nah I still have not tried duel sword I love Deimos too much lol

[steep fractal]

Use the super shove on the deimos to keep them off you then use the special when you have a clear moment

Then spend all you plasteel to roll uncanny immediately

[radiant sleet]

Yeah I should use the super shove more, the full knockdown is great

[split oxide]

it takes 2x pushes.

• but with surge, you don't have to turn around while running.
• with void, you can keep tham at a distance.

[radiant sleet]

Yeah I have been spoiled with my Godroll void that deletes crushers pretty handily so now swapping to Purgatus I am thrown into the real world of fighting the big bois up close

I'll try the pushing tech and try to get rending IV

[split oxide]

Purg needs BB to deal with:

1. shooters at a distance.
2. crushers/bulwarks

[ornate hamlet]

Uncanny strike 3 is enough

[dawn spoke]

purg should be running ds4 for crushers

[split oxide]

ds4?

[dawn spoke]

dueling sword 4

[radiant sleet]

I have been doing assail/purg/deimos so that's probably part of my issue. I cannot get into BB no matter how many times I try

[split oxide]

tru, I've seen some insane feats with Stamina curios and KineticDeflector

[dawn spoke]

I'm half-convinced that most people running brain burst still are just nostalgic for pre talent tree psyker (me included)

[radiant sleet]

I pre ordered the game but only played the prologue on a different character so I never tried old BB. started fresh patch 13 and only used assail from level 4 onwards because I love shredding with icicles

[split oxide]

I've seen some teams that had:

• Vets running revolvers vs a gallery of shooters. 💀
• no psyker with Dome

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma can deal with almost everything (apart from monster) but you gotta be on crack to play that trash staff

[radiant sleet]

My goal is to make assail work with all 4 staves and purgatus is my current wall at least till I get rending

[dawn spoke]

nobody's running revolver for killing shooters

[split oxide]

I didn't say they were successful.
I said I've seen all vets running PS/revolver chsword/revolver

[quasi junco]

what does more dps on monster, surge staff rmb or illisi special spam?

[dawn spoke]

it 100% works it's just going to deplete your ammo really quickly

[plucky flax]

Rubbercable you seem to have a lot of negative energy mane

[steel flame]

Assail can fit on any build, I'm just convinced most people don't know how to actually use it

[plucky flax]

Revolver is so op it's good against everything.

[quasi junco]

is assail best blitz for purg staff?

[split oxide]

meh, guilty, my bad
had a bad run,

[dawn spoke]

people usually run brain burst with it

[radiant sleet]

Yeah some people try to just spam it like it was patch 13 instead of using the right click

[quasi junco]

against snipers assail is decent?

at long range

or is their a limit?

[radiant sleet]

Very good

As long as you are in range, it does have a cap

[quasi junco]

i might go deimos for crushers, and assail for medium-long range trash

[steel flame]

Usually when I run purgatus and blaze trauma I totally disregard blitz cause it's really not needed in the slightest

Put my points into other stuff and leave the blitz unupgraded

[radiant sleet]

I'm trying assail/purg/deimos right now and it's good but I think needs rending IV on deimos to work for crushers. I tried with unstable power 4 and it's too slow killing crushers

[dawn spoke]

you absolutely want uncanny strike with purg

[radiant sleet]

(Uncanny IV)

[quasi junco]

good to know, ill try and build up a decent one

[radiant sleet]

You could also just take DS4

[quasi junco]

plz be kind to me techmommy

[steel flame]

You really want to get uncanny and use l1+h1+push combo to shred crushers

[radiant sleet]

My RNG in this game is either I one shot the blessing/godroll I need or I need to burn through millions of dockets. Sadly getting Uncanny is the latter for me apparently

[stone canyon]

77 was enough for real +3stam?

Bought it like 10s before the hourly switch

[steep fractal]

I've bought hundreds of deimoses trying to get a perfect roll, then i buy 1 surge staff and its a near perfect 378 with all the right rolls on perks and blessings. Only thing id change is swapping the 80 on peril resist for the 60 on quell speed

[untold niche]

i personally just run two curio perks
as in, i don't grind curios so that the last perk is what i want

[stone canyon]

Well, that one i lucked out to not have "dead perk" in it, so might aswell finish it

Its silly there are even perks for dogs and mutants

[untold niche]

ngl

the mutant one

prob can consider for third perk

muties so non threatening sometimes i just don't dodge them (properly)

let life take me

[steep fractal]

Just let them toss you to safety

[untold niche]

i just gamble that my voidstaff will crit and i one tap them

[stone canyon]

Had Chaos Ogryn throw me to that mission finished platform in that steal ammo map

[split oxide]

They normally throw me into a trappernet, or slam me into fire.

[steep fractal]

They might not even slap you on the ground first they're so nice

[untold niche]

ngl i feel they should still slam on wall

[steep fractal]

Is there any reasoning to why they dont slam you sometimes?

[untold niche]

because you are close to the wall

so the best mutie cheese is jsut stand close to a wall

[split oxide]

If you're up against a wall, and there's no room (risking a map glitch-out')

[stone canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YQQZXbU3ok

[untold niche]

ngl they could just make it so that thats just an animation, and you body is where you were

so it doesn't make sense

thats the reason

i did think of that at the start then just wonder, but if thats the issue why not jsut do that

[steep fractal]

Or just casually slide the mutie away from the wall so theres room

[mighty cipher]

So where do I go to get mods for this game?

[stone canyon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide

Word of warning though, some neckbeards here will get mad over your mod choices, my video got rough treatment in Ogryn-class because i had that mod that shows special spawns

[mighty cipher]

I know

I more or less just need the scoreboard mod

I usually like my games vanilla but I need that board

And true level

[strong gulch]

If a plane isn't needed, why did we wait for it to fly away??

[stone canyon]

Once you try em out and notice how many QoL mods there are that make huge difference, there is no turning back

[lethal minnow]

Hello there. I'm trying to build a gun-psyker build. For primary i think Columnus Mk V will be fine, but which blessings and perks to choose? Also which melee weapons area good options?

[stone canyon]

Those things should be part of the game, not mods in the first place

[stone canyon]

Dumdum atleast and then deathspitter or fire frenzy

Duellist IV is solid all-arounder which i use, many also like Illisi

[lethal minnow]

Any thoughts about devil's claws?

[stone canyon]

Works well too but i guess doesnt have as strong single target stagger/dmg like Duellist IV for example with its special and heavy1

But parry can be great if you know how to use it

[lethal minnow]

Does i really need single damage on melee on gun psyker?

[stone canyon]

Personally i didnt get it work as ofte as i wished so i sticked with Duellist

[lethal minnow]

I thought that i would lack horde clear

[stone canyon]

Not necessarily, but Duellist is just so nice to stagger with special mutants and such, then followed by heavy to kill it straight away

[lethal minnow]

I really experienced with that, i like that but i use it on another build with purgatus, i can't really imagine how i would be able to deal with hordes of infected

[split oxide]

It's possible to finish missions with just Smite/Illisi/Dome:
For Bulwark/Crushers, you can bust out the gun/staff/teammate

[stone canyon]

Reliable teammate to deal with those is at times missing in my game options

[lethal minnow]

It is fine to make specialized builds, however fully ignoring some aspects like some basic horde clear will mostly handicap you

[near wyvern]

Auric Maelstrom with "Psychic Sniper" lasgun build

it ain't a meme

[stone canyon]

Armory has some low quality pixel items for sale tonight

[untold niche]

you should run the addon with some guys name that shows exactly ranged elite, melee elite etc

also pygex o.o

thats insane team damage

like everyones damage combined

[vocal cliff]

The sword looks like a spear

[untold niche]

also going back to zealot

i see why psyker is cracked now

[hot zephyr]

I'm curious if you can hit the required breakpoints with a Mark 7 HH IAG or a Mark 1A lasgun. the mark 12 does have the highest base damage of the semi auto weapons through so I suspect you are right and it's required.

[untold niche]

only on psyker i can stand infront of 3 crusher and 2 maulers and only be slightly afraid

[quasi junco]

zealot with rashad would probably be ok

ping pong them one at a time

[untold niche]

im grinding for a rashad atm

but currently using crusher

[quasi junco]

i like brutal mom and headtaker

[untold niche]

i think thats the meta yeah

[near wyvern]

probs not for the maniac damage, also it has damage fall off at range

where as mg 12 just gets better with range

[quasi junco]

i did not know that lol

[hot zephyr]

Right, I forgot about the reverse fall-off with the lasguns/

[stone canyon]

Rashad any good on Psyker?

Id have this to try

[hot zephyr]

I use it with Purgatus with maniacs/unyielding/brutal-mom/decimator

Headtaker is also good too

Funny enough, because a rashad has finesse damage it really can work in a scrier's gaze build too if you take Precognition. It's biggest downside is the very slow swing heavy attacks tho

[stone canyon]

What does Gunker do bette than vet with Columnus?

[prime elk]

delete things

scrier's gaze is like exec stance, but even better burst damage

[quasi junco]

whats the goto crusher combo on deimos?

[haughty star]

I wish speccing from scriers to warp siphon wasn't so hard

[vocal cliff]

Have to sacrifice so much

[quasi junco]

oh its l1, h2, push attack which is basically h2 again

if im not mistakne

[ionic needle]

I just got an awesome columnus on my vet and it's not even close to as fast at killing things as on my psyker

Fucking finally

[plucky flax]

Yes 77% is always real for all 3 types of curio.

[haughty star]

Okay so just theory crafting at work cuz I'm bored but

What yall think about this for a more melee focused gunger?

Or should I drop the toughness reduction for kd

[plush oak]

Unfortunately warp charges cd doesnt work for gaze 🥹

[cold elm]

i have not yet changed anything on it. what should i change on it

[dawn spoke]

you could switch out lacerate for flesh tearer or riposte, and crit damage for unyielding or carapace

very nice knife

[cold elm]

im thinking to change lacerate to a different tier 4 perk and change maniac to carapace. thoughts?

my build im using is a crit spam build so +10% crit damage works for me rn

[haughty star]

What the fuck

[ionic needle]

No

Crit damage is garbage, change that to carapace instead

[plush oak]

ikr

[haughty star]

Either way I'd rather have the damage boost from siphon for a lean back when scriers isn't up I suppose

[ionic needle]

Change crit damage to carapace and lacerate to flesh tearer 4 and you're good

[haughty star]

Can you gain warp charges IN scriers?

[cold elm]

sounds good. will do

just need to unlock flesh tearer

[midnight jolt]

I wanna try this, I should change both perks to 25% for maniacs/flak and leave the bleessings untouched right?

[strange fox]

is stopping power even important on a gun ?

because to me it seems the only important stats are damage and ammo and to a lesser extent stability

[split oxide]

StoppingPower is Stagger, not Damage.

[strange fox]

yeah so i can probably drop stopping power and mobility, if i could get 80 damage 80 stability and 80 ammo

thought the odds of that is damn near low

[split oxide]

If you stagger them, it might give you time to place another shot.
Imagine Arnie T-800, trying to approach you,

• but you're pushing them back with .50cal gunfire.
• He's not dead yet, but he isn't getting closer.

[long wharf]

stopping power is also a damage % on different armor types

check the weapon details to see the numbers

[split oxide]

Really? I saw it as "suppression".
I might be wrong then.🤔

[long wharf]

check weapon details to see the numbers

[split oxide]

If you shoot ragers with a lasgun, it won't slow them down, but with a shotgun it would stagger them.

[ionic needle]

Stopping power is very important on most guns

[near drift]

At first glance from that name I assumed it was stagger per shot or something but yeah it's basically damage V2, you want it as high as you can

[strange fox]

debating on dropping another 15 toughness node for a -5 peril to sit in scryers a little longer

i assume the minimum toughless for psyker is 120

[tired estuary]

No, just swap infested for maniac and deci for brutal momentum

[split oxide]

Kinetic deflection: you take zero Stamina damage until you max out on Peril?

[cerulean niche]

yes

[midnight jolt]

I just used a taxe, I love it

is an in between knife and DS4

[cerulean niche]

and the more stamina bars you have the less peril% per hit you accumulate @split oxide

[split oxide]

So Stamina acts as 'PerilDamage Reduction'?

[cerulean niche]

more or less yes

[split oxide]

👍

[midnight jolt]

I ended up keeping the blessings because of this, but is just an experiment, I was checking if I would like it, and ... I love tactical axes now 😂

[winter siren]

pity finesse is a little low

but they go pretty hard

bromentum is really good

[midnight jolt]

why is marked as garbage on the atheneum?

[winter siren]

if you cant aim at heads it probably is

[midnight jolt]

I would like decimator + shred

[cerulean niche]

spent couple of hours messing with Disrupt Destiny in solo-mode and it appears to be totally broken in literall way.
The only thing that works properly is flat "+1% Damage" per stack. Both weakspot damage and critical damage bonuses calculate wrong on most weapons.
But it applies only to conventional arms.

The main idea at first was to try Brain Rupture with different stacks of DD but oh my god it just bugged.
Basic damage of Brain Rupture is 1350 but on full 30 stacks of DD we get only 20% total damage more converting 1350 to whopping 1620...

[winter siren]

most people have like a 20% headshot rate

[cerulean niche]

not mentioning it cannot be tested in conventional psykanium at all, because enemies simply do not get marked

[wind spruce]

You can test it with invisibility off

Creature spawner mod

[cerulean niche]

i used it in solo-play, yes

you have to turn invis off for a second and turn it back on to enable marking

[hot zephyr]

Brutal moment doesn't work well on tactical axes because they don't have very much hit mass, so you rarely get to use the cleave-through part of BM that is the OP part

[wind spruce]

I mean in the psykhanium

[cerulean niche]

last time i tried switching invis in psyk on/off it did not work

[hot zephyr]

Because of this #psyker-class message

[cerulean niche]

lemme try again

[wind spruce]

Leave it off

[wind spruce]

What is hit mass? Cleave?

[winter siren]

push attacks work fine

and i love bromentum. imo one of the best blessings

[midnight jolt]

is mobility that important? will this one work?

[winter siren]

if you can get your headshot rate up to 50% bromentum shines a lot better. most people have like 20% headshot, so yeah bromentum would suck

[winter siren]

mobi is the dump stat

[midnight jolt]

it bricked so this one will have to do for awhile:

[winter siren]

i would generally take a dud perk over a dud blessing. deci is imo a dud due to the way stacks fall off

[midnight jolt]

I noticed the push attack is very good, and basically LMB attacks for the most part, how good is the alt attack?

[winter siren]

like this illisi with stam perk, it helps a little with pushing and blocking so not complete dud. but having good blessing combo is better than 25% damage to a select group of enemies in general for me

[winter siren]

high stagger

[midnight jolt]

even crushers?

[winter siren]

not really on a psyker

noodle arms cant swing hard

[dense peak]

What's recommend for curos, I do have trouble surviving so maby max hp or max tough?

[ornate hamlet]

I run 2 toughness 1 health with 3 toughness perks on all characters

On zealot I also add 3 health perks

On vet and psyker I run 2 gunner and 1 sniper

[dense peak]

Yea I really need those increased hp stuff, I have a massive skill issue and can't handle h4 and up missions, but i have only been playing for a week and am lvl 30

[marble crater]

What are you using right now?

[winter siren]

I generally lean towards 2x toughness with stam regen/sprint eff, corruption res, ability cdr, possibly extra toughness.
then the other is either extra wound or +3 stam with similar perks.
if you get screwed by particular enemies you can take resist that type, if you get it on all 3 it is a massive help

[dense peak]

Hp, tough,thoug. And I don't have the plasteel to swap around the other stuff

[ornate hamlet]

A lot of your survivability in this game comes from skill success

[winter siren]

try something like this maybe?

[ornate hamlet]

Learning how to dodge, block, push, where your weapon's hitboxes are so you can reliably headshot, when to circle the enemy and when to run the fuck away

[marble crater]

2 toughness and 1 hp should be fine, I run 2 toughness with 1 +3 stamina with extra toughness and gunner resist. Works for me

[ornate hamlet]

Dodge sliding and sprinting diagonally or perpendicularly to avoid ranged attacks

[winter siren]

though that sniper res is pretty useless atm since snipers are so slow to aim now, but a while back they were cracked AF and just snap shot you

[ornate hamlet]

Having a solid generalist build to hold your own without screaming for help

[marble crater]

Playing Zealot helped me with getting better in melee on my psyker

[dense peak]

When I first started gunners were a nightmare, but now my minor issue is ragers

[ornate hamlet]

Those I generally get back and magdump

[winter siren]

ragers you need to know how to stagger them out of their rage, or just spam ping them while blocking and dodging and pray your team mates help you

[marble crater]

Force push them on their ass

[tawny pebble]

i was gonna say

is that a dueling sword issue?

[ornate hamlet]

Dueling sword, combat axe and tactical axe specials all stun ragers

[dense peak]

I like the mkV blaze sword and lighting staff

[ornate hamlet]

Force sword specials too

The illisi being the easiest for it

[tawny pebble]

oh, i never did test illisi against a rager until after he's on his ass

[winter siren]

imo this is one of the best melee weaps for psyker, easy to use, nice sweeps for hordes. able to deal with bigger guys with charge

[dense peak]

Dang that roll is so much better then mine

[marble crater]

Kinetic deflection could also help with surviving, if you are not using it already

[winter siren]

its just grind. i have like 600+ hours and have pretty good variety builds for all chars

[ebon pawn]

smite is such a clutch tool

[tawny pebble]

agreed

[ebon pawn]

oh thats very similar to me lol

[dense peak]

I only got 30h played, most of it spent not knowing what I'm doing

[tawny pebble]

that's how i started lol

i barely played vermintide 2 before this

[winter siren]

so imo first step is to learn how to keep yourself alive vs melee. block, dodge, slide, backup, special attacks, when to heavy or light.
on malice enemies are quite easy. heresy and damnation get a lot harder. auric and maelstrom is for people who have complete builds and know how to use them

[midnight jolt]

So 200 hours for me

[ebon pawn]

the duelling swords are not to be taken for granted as well.
they have more offensive playstyle, but they can REALLY dish out some damage too

[winter siren]

i have less hours in VT2 but i did play it a fair bit

[midnight jolt]

I want to play VT2 but like I said days ago, p2p? nah, fk it, I like quick matches like in here

[ebon pawn]

only got 65 hours wierdly enough it feels like ive played it alot more

[deep pine]

Vt2 has quick match also

[winter siren]

VT2 had a lot of good things too that they dropped for DT, like lobby browser. oh what i would give to be able to see who is playing what instead of blind queue late at night and often playing solo with bots or only 1 person joining

[tawny pebble]

or the classic load into defeat screen

[ebon pawn]

yea kinda wish i understood the decision behind it as to why since it seems to irational

like crafting

[winter siren]

precog and riposte are both great if you use them well. uncanny is amazing

also you can charge a heavy and immediately special after it for a double stab real quick

[ebon pawn]

oh yea. the special to stagger and stab on weakspot to destroy crushers. makes me feel like the glasscannon that i was meant to be

[ebon pawn]

oh yea i do that often, make a lil double attack kinda

[winter siren]

its super good vs tough guys like crushers and ragers

[wispy wagon]

Not bad

[winter siren]

its ok. dam quite low, shred is a good blessing but i generally wouldnt choose it for a dueling sword. riposte/precog + uncanny is just too good for me

[wispy wagon]

damage is the dump stat though and I get my finesse damage from Scriers

I getchu though

Riposte is sweet

[winter siren]

mobility is the dump, not damage

[ionic needle]

I love shred on ds4, it's very good at handling hordes

[winter siren]

low damage will prevent you from getting those big hits on tough enemies

ramapage is better for hordes, but dueling sword isnt a horde weap. take illisi for that

[wispy wagon]

True, I have to rely more on teammates for large groups of armoured. A few on their own I'm okay, assail tips them over and I can get some pokes in

[ornate hamlet]

Rampage + riposte/shred makes a solid middle ground

I quite liked switching to it

But you need rampage 4 to get 6 cleave on lights

Otherwise you get like 5.9something I think

[winter siren]

i kinda prefer riposte to shred, as its easy to proc and it lasts 6s

[ornate hamlet]

Playing riposte made me appreciate its power, but not the game arbitrarily deciding me dodging a plague ogryn's combo wasn't a real dodge

[winter siren]

yeah those times the dodges dont count can really screw you, but its a LOT better than it was early on

omfg the dodge perks used to be trash

[ionic needle]

it is a horde eapon with shred or riposte on it, add uncanny and it deals with armor too, unlike illisi

or rampage I guess

[deep pine]

Does riposte pair well with that skill node "crits count as a dodge?

Can't recall the name atm

[ornate hamlet]

It does, yes

Both it and shred do very well when you're meleeing ranged enemy groups

[tawny jetty]

Isn't it only against ranged though?

Still good.

[deep pine]

yeah with shred it sounds like a sweet combo

even those times you need to melee a poxwalker horde, seems like it would do well.

(never tried it - just sounds good in my mind) lol

lol speak of the devil...is cleave damage acceptable dump stat for this?

[tawny jetty]

I'm no expert but I think so. I usually just use the stabs.

[deep pine]

ok..underder inspect weapon the weapon does not even have any type of cleave in it's swing patterns. Not sure if that is relevant or not.

[tawny jetty]

Yeah, the way the light attacks swing, I'm not sure how many bodies you'd even hit w a good cleave rating.

[deep pine]

hmmm..considering to buy it....I always can't decide to spend in his shop or not.

[tawny jetty]

Worst case, you use it till you get a better one, then rip a blessing off it.

[deep pine]

yeah totally. I just feel super stingy about spending that currency..

Don't know why heh

[tawny jetty]

Because once you spend it, he'll show up with bangers.

[midnight jolt]

should I continue or bricked?

Why does this shit even exist !!!

Like seriously ....

[deep pine]

condolences sir

[midnight jolt]

FatShark, you need a brain check, stop adding useless perks to fill up some quota

I have been playing for 2~3 weeks and even I can tell that perk is absolutely useless

[naive frigate]

Mk4 or Mk5dueling sword for psykers?

[midnight jolt]

4

[naive frigate]

Ty

[tulip kettle]

i mean its not useless

im sure theres plenty of weapons where its the difference between 1 shotting trash on lights or not, in which case its kind of good right?

[midnight jolt]

Poxwalkers?

[tulip kettle]

well groaners and poxwalkers have different profiles

pox have more hp and are infested type

and groan are unarmoured

so say your knife doesnt quite do enough damage to 1 shot the trash even with max stat rolls

having that 10% will allow you to kill them and half your amount of swings basically doubling your dps

[midnight jolt]

you discussing a theory, I understand, do you know anyone that has ever taken that perk?

WOULD YOU TAKE IT?

[tulip kettle]

well not personally and i think its because people think like you

yes, for sure

in the situation i described above

[slim raptor]

For the exact same reason all the other +x type damage perks to hit breakpoints

[tulip kettle]

if you just dismiss it offhand as being bad without understanding what its for then yeah

[slim raptor]

The difference between 1 shotting and 2 shotting horde trash is notable and pretty huge for horde clear melees

[tulip kettle]

yeah cleave is the dump stat on MK4, this looks good

[midnight jolt]

Twice in a row, I'll take a break:

[slim raptor]

Wait

[deep pine]

that's not bricked yet

[slim raptor]

Why are you even using tac axe on psyker

[midnight jolt]

I like it

[slim raptor]

I guess but like try a dueling sword they are basically straight upgrades over tac axes for psyker specifically

[midnight jolt]

My melee experiments so far

[deep pine]

yeah nice thanks - I will buy it and play with it a while. Haven't had chance to try dueling sword yet.

[slim raptor]

mk iv is big fun

Stabbing peoples eyes out is super fun

[deep pine]

There is a push -> heavy combo or something like that right?

[slim raptor]

And don't doubt it's ability to handle hordes even with dumped cleave

Nah

It's full heavy combo is just precise stabs

[midnight jolt]

the alt attack staggers crushers, well, anything except monstrousities

[deep pine]

ah alt attack

[midnight jolt]

basically, alt + heavy spam on bigger enemies

[deep pine]

Just watching hockey night in canada atm, then I will jump on to give it a shot 🙂

[slim raptor]

tbf you don't even really need to stagger crushers when you basically 2-3 shot them with the heavy attacks which are also super fast

Bigger thing is being able to stagger muties with alt fire

[deep pine]

can you stagger them face to face to stop the grab?

[midnight jolt]

yes, in the head

[slim raptor]

You can stagger the charge ye

[deep pine]

oh so cool

style

[cosmic sigil]

you can do that with the special on the antax too

[bright yoke]

what should I add to this?

[slim raptor]

I regret to inform you that I think literally all of your perks and blessings are bad. the base stats are p good tho

Transfer is ok I guess

At min I would replace terrifying with Warp nexus

[bright yoke]

[slim raptor]

I think hadron just didn't like that staff in particular

just like how she doesn't like literally any of my illisi force swords

One day I'll get bloodthirsty for my illisi

[keen slate]

I found surge but I don't have resources to upgrade staff

and the one with great stats got bricked by Hadron

[elfin roost]

just like how she doesn't like literally any of my weapons at all

[earnest laurel]

change sprint efic, and terrifying to something else , and its not terrible, if you desperate

[slim raptor]

Mood I can't get my hands on the good blessings for the mk V iag past t1

[harsh urchin]

You only need dumdum other blessing doesn't matter

And blessing rework made them scale so 3 is good enough dont need 4 if the rest of the weapon is good

[slim raptor]

I know

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-sad-in-the-rain-gif-19983530

But out of the 20+ iags I've upgraded the literal best blessings I've gotten are deathspitter which isn't even that good and fire frenzy 1

[hollow halo]

i heckin' love deathspitter when i'm up close and personal

it stacks 5 times but it doesn't say that in the tooltip for some reason. It used to say it but

[slim raptor]

I think you are thinking of fire frenzy

[hollow halo]

this one right?

[slim raptor]

Ye

[hollow halo]

extra power is always good

[hollow halo]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[slim raptor]

I guess but dumdum so good

[hollow halo]

dumdum is awesome too

[hot zephyr]

Massive necro reply: all enemies have a hit mass, and weapons have a cleave-like value that is compared to it. If you exceed the enemy hit mass, you cleave through to the next target. Because tactical axes have a very low cleave value, and low damage, you won't get the weak spot kills to trigger BM very often, and even if you do, you won't get the mass cleaves that say combat axes get where pop like 15 skulls with a single horizontal swing.

In short, you can run Brutal Momentum on a tactical axe if you want, but it's considered garbage on a taxe and S-tier on a combat axe because of the underlying cleave value that enables it to be great.

[tulip kettle]

to add onto this, if you look at some weapons on the cleave stat, you will see something like :
Heavy Attack cleave damage distribution : 15
this means that you can apply damage through 15 hit mass worth of units. Note that most units dont have a hit mass of 1 by default, so this does not mean you can hit 15 units, necessarily

this is my understanding anyway

[tulip kettle]

underrated fking movie

[tulip kettle]

i have a staff like this, its completely fixable. Put flurry on instead of barrage, then change sprint efficiency to the +25 dmg of the type you want to use it on or that will give you new breakpoints - so flak or carapace. Use it with battle meditation talent. Any time a an engagement starts, shoot off 2 quick charge attacks that you only charge to 10%. then start spamming charged shots at head height super quickly, forever, with no need to quell

back to purging heretics

[bright yoke]

I'll try this ty

[tulip kettle]

also witness me and weep

[midnight jolt]

For the future, if I even Gunker 😉

[elfin roost]

Why do qp players play like they have one hand and 3 fingers

The two they're missing, of course, are for blocking, aiming and attacking

[tulip kettle]

ammo stat dangerously low :/ and tbh i used the mk8 but got schooled here on why the columnus just blows it out the water

no other iag comes close to columnus because of the crit string mechanic

[earnest laurel]

the average person is a dummy, the average player is a dummy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cosmic sigil]

there's not a big diff between 50 ammo and 80 ammo on the columnus

[elfin roost]

That isnt even the half of it

[cosmic sigil]

it's like 50 bullets

[midnight jolt]

I see

[tulip kettle]

true, its1 spare mag and a few in each mag. but this is not a columnus

[elfin roost]

Qp players aren't just the average person, they're the bottom of the barrel and lower

[cosmic sigil]

if you don't spam hordes it';s fine

oh my bad

[tulip kettle]

aand also, mobility is definitely the dump on all the iags on gunker, because you have so much mobility from the tree

[elfin roost]

I legitimately rejoice when my team is even half as good as they can be expected to be

[cosmic sigil]

it's still ok tho

[earnest laurel]

Haha, I feel that, so so much

[cosmic sigil]

until you get a better one

[elfin roost]

How is it cause of celebration to get 50%? I am legitimately happy when they're failures, but not horrendous failures

Like the term "rejects" actually applies very well with these guys

[tulip kettle]

imagine the average player. Half the players in this game are worse

who cares about being good in a video game 🙂

[earnest laurel]

At least in drg I could easily carry people in haz 5. Honestly in this game , tier 4 is harder than drg haz 5. And only because of teammates

[elfin roost]

I don't even care if they're good, I just care if they couldn't even complete a mission on sedition without me

Like I swear some of these people need to be looking for low intensity sedition psykhanium matches

[earnest laurel]

The other day I had 3 zealots die, and flame me , telling me I am bad , yet all they did was rush into the enemies ahead, and never killed any specials spawning behind them. I swear i get vietnam flashbacks when I see a knife zealot in my lobby. Already know the fucker wont ever pick up plasteel

[elfin roost]

wont even*

As if they'll do anything

Hell, I'd be impressed if they attacked more than once

Trying to train the horde like its cod zombies

[earnest laurel]

I on purpose killed the specials, the horde that was left after they went down, told them to go fuck themselves and alf4d. God that felt good. No way am I getting resources for such trash.

[elfin roost]

Behold, the light laspistol

[elfin roost]

Well deserved

[earnest laurel]

https://youtu.be/BOdODAvBncc?si=uvkPShkdoz6WcMOM

[elfin roost]

Should've alt f4d right as you got to them to save them though

[earnest laurel]

I was so pissed I couldnt think straight, just the audacity, to continue talking shit, when you are getting carried. Bruh.

[elfin roost]

this game has an emphasis on "do it yourself, everyone else is worthless" type gameplay

[vocal cliff]

Kinda wish this was on my other 2 classes

[earnest laurel]

Even the penances make you not play like a team, lol

[earnest laurel]

kill it before it breeds

[elfin roost]

The longer you look the worse it gets

2 cylinders, wooden furniture, a barrel smaller than the bullets would be, no hammer

[earnest laurel]

why

[elfin roost]

Weapon trinkets are cringe

[earnest laurel]

Kinda

[elfin roost]

Nah entirely, like why would you use them

[tawny pebble]

on a gun sure

[earnest laurel]

Same reason people use skins

[elfin roost]

Trinkets are always ugly though

[tawny pebble]

the ossuary charm is the only one i think isn't garish

but they're all so....chunky

[elfin roost]

And they usually just look like those baby danglers

[elfin roost]

Hence this was made

[tulip kettle]

scout player detected

and idk having the inquisitorial ]I[ on my guns is badass

or on the pommel of a duelling sword

very cool

[earnest laurel]

Driller and scout at same playtime actually

[tulip kettle]

i need to get the mod that lets me choose which voiceline i say in this game honestly

if you aint "for the god-emperor"ing why even live

i feel like the cheer in this game isnt quite rock and stoney enough

[earnest laurel]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/135

[tulip kettle]

recently started experimenting with custom buff bars, having one just for stuff like thrust, true aim etc underneath the cross hair is a big QoL improvement

the only truly forbidden mod is 3rd person, imo

that one should be banned

[midnight jolt]

The ones that are commonly recommended (give or take), I use Vortex to install them and keep them up to date, unfortunately you have to update the txt file for the list:

[earnest laurel]

why?

[tulip kettle]

because its way too much of an advantage

being able to see bhind your player character and around corners is stupid

[naive frigate]

1 Health 1 Toughness 1 Stamina curiuo? Or are we doing like 2 tough 1 health?

[earnest laurel]

yes

[tulip kettle]

if you have a +3 stam curio, i would run that

because of the way kinetic deflector talent works, its extremely efficient

[naive frigate]

Wasn't sure if doubling up was worth it

[tulip kettle]

it certainly can be, its just the way KD talent works, you can block for a very, very long time with + 3 stam

[naive frigate]

I have to actually... remember to block...

[tulip kettle]

for bonus giggles take deflector and +stam / + block effieciency on a force sword

heh average player on scoreboard : attacks blocked - 0

[naive frigate]

idk why i dont hit the button, i end up just dodging my heart out

[tulip kettle]

psyker with KD talent + deflector + 3 stam curio + dodges = unkillable

[naive frigate]

Does block work 360 or is it just infront of you

[tulip kettle]

360

but blocked attacks from behind cost more stamina

but because of the way the talent kinetic deflector works, the more total stamina you have the less peril you generate when you block an attack

which results in you being able to block for a very long time

taking a single +3 stamina curio often doubles your stamina, which means you can block at least twice as much, maybe more

[haughty star]

okay that's a broken blessing lmao

i might actually get this and make a mkvii

i know it's not meta or whatever but this with that fire frenzy or whatever tf it is

[tulip kettle]

idk i think recon lasguns rely on crit build and burning to be useable right?

unless you want it for spamming hordes and your melee is for elites and stuff

[haughty star]

yeah i was kinda thinking it would go well with like a brain burst deimos EP build

[tulip kettle]

in which case sure, i havent used recon in ages, can they get dum dum?

[haughty star]

i have dum dum 4 for recons

[haughty star]

does deathspitter stack??

[tulip kettle]

yeah 5 times

it just doesnt say it, idk why

a mark 8 with deathspitter, dum dum, +10% groaners / poxwalker and +25% infested and dump stat mobility would absolutely destroy hordes

[haughty star]

oh okay yeah that would be perfect for hording with dum dum then

[haughty star]

fucking lawnmower lmfao

[tulip kettle]

usually the build is to go headhunter and infernus with flak and maniac

you can take carapace or crit chance instead of maniac if you want

and then lean into burning shit with crits

[haughty star]

my baeeee

it's not perfect but she's good enough

[wind spruce]

Ty

[timber delta]

How exactly do I use Purgatus? It feels kinda weak and doesn't seem to stagger. What am I doing wrong?

[fleet bronze]

Urgh why groaners

Like

Dum dum will do good enough to kill hordes

Groaners/pox is a waste because you'll be shredding them anyways

[mighty fractal]

https://i.gyazo.com/c8211fc47540f45e306d3a75ef965bd5.png

pain

[dawn spoke]

the left click is what staggers

not really sure what else to say there, other than that maybe the area of effect for it is pretty narrow but much farther than it looks like

creeping flames on top of some soulblaze stacks from the staff itself is where a lot of the damage comes from other than charged right click into a mass of enemies

[hot zephyr]

So there's kinda two different techniques to learn with purgatus:

1. throwing 2-3 primary attacks as little 'puff puffs' which don't do much damage but will stagger a wide area.
2. charging big secondary blasts to stack up soulblaze and deal damage. Secondary attack doesn't do much stagger but deals a lot of damage.

You can combine these as well. I like to throw a couple primaries to create a bit of space and kinda bunch up the mob before unloading a big secondary burn to burn them down.

[urban sandal]

can't even hear them until they're already too close

[timber delta]

Thanks!

[rotund fable]

brunt is selling a decent voidstrike for once... lets hope hadron doesnt screw it up

welp, second perk is a bit iffy, lets see the second blessing.

Dammit Hadron

I guess i can swap out Nexus for surge... then change out one of the perks

i'm going to use this on a true-strike build so...

or i can just say "Screw it" and throw nexus 4 and surge onto it anyway and not care about the perks

any suggestions?

[restive slate]

This used to be so much easier to do

[mighty fractal]

Yeah all you had to do was BB something every 30 seconds

[restive slate]

Now I think best method is going full purg

[mighty fractal]

Purg or Trauma

imo

And then Hab Dreyko finale to get the penance

[echo frigate]

I mean saying screw it is fun and you have a decent perk alr

[hearty oak]

Holy fuck does the blazing trauma absolutely dominate melee maelstroms

[urban sandal]

both rending and blaze are great in those

[hearty oak]

chasm terminus assassination and were stuck in an airlock with handfuls of crushers, maulers, and bulwarks

No

They're stuck in with me

Once the soul blaze snowball starts. It don't stop till everything is cooked to perfection

[restive slate]

Been playing Purgatus Scryer, never had so much fun in a while

[north dock]

but where my bubble

[restive slate]

I ...don't use bubble

[cosmic sigil]

i just did a run with another bubble psyker

we found quite soon a tempo to chain our bubbles and advance forward

that was so cool

[ornate hearth]

First 2 rolls were superiority and sprint efficiency. This thing is amazing.

[small valve]

I don't know if I like the seer

[stone canyon]

How legit are this guys guides? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHmZujtakPw

He seems knowledgeable, but way he presents it all is bit cringe and his opinions are very black&white and absolute (which is common for young people)

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[ornate hamlet]

Take Tanner with a grain of salt

I haven't interacted with him much, but one of those interactions showed the kind of arrogance that makes me look like a lost puppy

It was like looking into a mirror if the mirror showed someone not even half as handsome

Buuuuut, like all of us, he can know stuff here and there

Some know more about some niches, like me probably dabbling more with knife poxwalker breakpoints than an overwhelming majority of players, but fuck if I know anything about heavy sword or deimos

The golden rule I sometimes fail to live for is "if it makes sense then it makes sense, no matter who it's from"

Of course, the "why" of why it makes sense is also vital, because you can't really say "makes sense" if you don't understand it

[stone canyon]

Yeah thats how ive approached him, seems to know plenty, but way he represents it is.. well im not gonna throw insults, but not very positive. It is amusing though and his youth and enthusiasm shows

Lots of good info there but he kinda has no shades of grey there, just throws his opinion/preferences as the ultimate truth it feels like

Could be cultural thing too i guess, he is probably american?

[haughty star]

YOU SON OF A BITCH

[ornate hamlet]

The woes of the world

[haughty star]

i've spent SOOOO much money and plasteel trying to get this sword to be like this lol

[ornate hamlet]

You can be born Fr*nch

Or you can be Am*rican

[haughty star]

relevant lol

[frigid relic]

God I fucking love this sword

[shadow wigeon]

I’m just a few minutes in and his game damage is not really remarkable. Being #1 damage can be done on any staff or gunker. If you want to show off an OP build you can blow out the damage numbers by 1.5-2X the next person.

[wind spruce]

Recommendations for knife on psyker? Perks, blessings, Mark, etc?

[shadow wigeon]

And there’s damnation low intensity in there, so my initial reaction is k am skeptical of hai experience.

[stone canyon]

Yeah i try not to succumb to the green number chase

[spice veldt]

i don't trust tanner at all because of a bad weapon tier list i saw from him

[shadow wigeon]

I mean I always try to blow it out, I just love doing it. I’m just saying it’s not hard to be #1 in pubs 95% of the time. Even more so if he plays low intensity :/

[spice veldt]

and also because his attitude seems extremely abrasive whenever I've seen him here

[shadow wigeon]

I would wonder why anyone offering advice has even played low intensity in the last 6 months, unless it was with friends, in which case why show that off.

[strange fox]

I do watch all his videos 🙂

[wind spruce]

What do you like for combat blade on psyker?

[strange fox]

he is a bit of a dick but he seems to know his stuff. but i also haven't seen him play. but he has helped me improve so there's that

[wind spruce]

Was he playing low intensity solo?

[ornate hamlet]

Nothing, I hate it on psyker

[wind spruce]

Fair haha

[shadow wigeon]

No, he's showing off that he is top damage in a damn low intensity

[strange fox]

i mean he had a point not every weapon should be A-S tier and to many people do it.

just to not get flamed for someone fav weapon being B or C

think he places Boltor C or B and i think it's an alright Gun i don't think it belongs in A or S it has a bit of draw backs that's to much of a pain as an example

[shadow wigeon]

Sorry this video is just bad.

[spice veldt]

bolter is D which is eh but sure whatever I don't care about the bolter since it's too slow for my tastes
then he puts the agri BAG and columnus BAG strictly below the graia BAG

and also just putting the recon lasguns above the agri BAG

and I do not think that two of the HH guns deserve to be in F tier

it's like he's trying to stick to a normal distribution and actually ignoring the relative power levels of weapons

[strange fox]

did you see his reason for it. ? he also mentions their positioning can all be swapped. though i'm still not 100% sure i understood his whole reasoning or logic for braced weapons to begin with

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah this is terrible advice. If this was a video about ONE build, maybe. But as a general overview of psyker this is bad.

[strange fox]

fair enough. good argument there

[strange fox]

I sometimes think he sticks to talking about vet so much cuz he doesn't know the other operative classes as well as he does vet

[spice veldt]

i also dislike how he's dissing the range inaccuracy of the BAG's, which is not an issue if you're hold W any amount

[shadow wigeon]

This is just wrong information though

Perilous Combustion probably does suck if you play lower difficulties. And then it just blows up on higher ones, for instance.

I wouldn't recommend you use Wildfire either, UNLESS you are power pumping it because you want to wipe out multiple hordes. Then it's great, but that's a choice.

[strange fox]

from what i understand and from what i can tell in the practice room. the ticks are like 10 damage like is it worth it over other nodes ?

[stone canyon]

Wildfire still good for Blaze Trauma?

[strange fox]

unless you're playing a build to stack it like a pergator staff

[spice veldt]

soulblaze has nonlinear scaling with the amount of stacks

[shadow wigeon]

It depends on your build. I love it for Surge/Flames, and Blaze Trauma.

[ornate hamlet]

6 stacks of soulblaze will kill poxwalkers, for example

That's 2 elite/specialist kills

[spice veldt]

this is a graph of what it looks like (Y-axis is damage per tick, X-axis is the # of stacks)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1191060480639373462/image.png?ex=65b68583&is=65a41083&hm=ea232f34abbba319b533287911639507ffcbd05edb50f42f93a32f7884f47fa2&

it's something that scales with density, which is nice esp if you're the main person killing elites/specials

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that's not at all how it works.

[strange fox]

but if you're a gunker like say myself i may beable to mow down 4-5 elites but how much damage is that really adding ?

[shadow wigeon]

Gunker you dont want it at all

AFAIK

maybe some meme flames thing?

[spice veldt]

pretty good since the soulblaze will spread to the chaff around

i run it on gunker since I always take the toughness nodes because of assail, so I have a 1-point access to PC

[shadow wigeon]

Oh wait sorry are we talking PC or Wildfire??

PC is almost a lock on max difficulty

IMO

Hunting Grounds, shotgunner packs, rager packs, even mauler packs. It's a lot of free damage.

[strange fox]

i supposed even if that damage is relatively minimal it's still damage that reduces the kill time while enemies are walking or running towards you.

[plucky flax]

Yes for me.

[cold hornet]

Did they ever fix PC not proccing if they die due to soulblaze damage?

[shadow wigeon]

It's definitely not minimal... im going to do a quick test...

[spice veldt]

that's prob intended

just so PC doesn't become ultrabusted

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah with Surge/Flames and Blaze Trauma, you can take Wildfire off, but you will notice it. Especially with hordes.

[strange fox]

get back to me when you figure it out. just from what i gathered one elite is like a 10 damage tick but elite health at that point is so high, but if you kill like 5 things i'm sure it ramps to like 100

[plucky flax]

I'm a wildfirer simp.

[shadow wigeon]

Loved it since launch, just took awhile to come around. Now with PC it's even more fun.

[plucky flax]

Me as an oily snake.

[shadow wigeon]

Ok so example: with 4 ragers, the soul blaze just off killing the first 3 will be close or past killing the 4th on its own.
Your first 3 ticks (one PC) are around 10-15 depending on talents. The next PC kill will ramp that to 45ish. The next PC will put that past 100 per tick.

That video is just completely wrong. He does not understand the game mechanics.

[wind spruce]

This is perilous combustion on gun psyker

Columnus

[strange fox]

hm, at first killing one dog some ticks were between 9 and 13 after killing a row it was doing like 130 but glancing over to the rager it was only doing 1 tick of damage

[shadow wigeon]

PC has an effect radius. It does hit EVERYTHING in the radius, however.

[strange fox]

either way i do see it's ramp up and regardless i am some what wrong the damage is a significant ramp up

[cold hornet]

Isn't the radius only like 4 meters?

[shadow wigeon]

So you pop 2-3 elites in a horde/pack you've just taken out a lot of the things around them,