psyker-class

[untold niche]

[wind spruce]

1. is multiplicitive in the bad way, just like sprint efficiency, block efficency, damage resist vs x, and toughness DR from different sources

2. is additive, so flat bonus per curio

[radiant frigate]

also, i am inclined to believe that the "affects toughness generation on kill" bit is complete BS

since it is 5% of max toughness, and there is differing max toughness in that screenshot

[wind spruce]

wait wtf

yeah

i just noticed that while typing my third point

brb

testing

the regen delay and regen per second wont be affected by max toughness though

[untold niche]

wouldnt regen per second be affected

[rocky raven]

yup. toughness "replenishment" keyword talents are strictly passive/coherence/delay gen not kill

[wind spruce]

no, its a flat amount not a percentage based on ur total

[untold niche]

ah

[wind spruce]

Ok. Toughness regen amount per kill is not affected by the perk

just by base toughness

but @lethal lagoon you're still right. Why the f are we going from 1.5 TRD to 1.2 TRD with a 30% decrease

[lethal lagoon]

Because you are thinking about it backwards.

Imagine a runner.

[untold niche]

@plucky flax FUCK

[wind spruce]

hadron awaits

[untold niche]

no its bricked

blast and charge need to be 80

damage can be 76

or 75?

cant rmb

btw does weapon quell speed stat reduce the quell delay?

[rocky raven]

considerably. inspect the weapon look at the variance

[untold niche]

i know the talent (skill tree node) does

[wind spruce]

they mean the delay until you start quelling

not quell speed

[untold niche]

doesj]t say anything about the quell delayh

[untold niche]

yeah

[wind spruce]

are we just being tryhard here? or is there a maths reason

[rocky raven]

burn trauma specifically / blaze stacks applied per crit

[untold niche]

im unsure, but i think it scales very hard
both agent chaos and the other trauma blaze main say that those two must be 80

[wind spruce]

i mean, the way circles work

[lethal lagoon]

It takes him 1.5 seconds to cross 10 meters. That's 6.6 M/S
It takes him 1.2 seconds to cross 10 meters. That's 8.3 M/S + 1 . 7
it takes him .96 seconds to cross 10 meters. That's 10.41 M/S + 2.1
it takes him .77 seconds to cross 10 meters. That's 12.987 M/S +2.5

[wind spruce]

every bit of diameter means much more area squared

so fair

[lethal lagoon]

Fucking math, I thought I was done with you.

[untold niche]

@rocky raven @lethal lagoon do you guys know the answer to this?

[lethal lagoon]

So I was right I think

It is worth more the more you have

[radiant frigate]

i think it is worth nothing at all times

[wind spruce]

idk bro i think ur thinking too hard

[radiant frigate]

if it only affects coherency regen, why bother

that is mostly there to top you up after a fight

[lethal lagoon]

I think I'm thinking just enough

[radiant frigate]

so you go into the next one with full strength

[wind spruce]

ima cogitate on that hahaha

[untold niche]

@vestal fulcrum does staff stat for quell speed affect the manual quell delay itself?
i know that the talent tree node one affects manual quell delay.

[lethal lagoon]

I have no idea on that one brother.

[rocky raven]

manual is not delayed?

its on action

[untold niche]

do you use peril gauge / true peril mod?

[wind spruce]

ok no, you're definitely not thinking about this right.

This isn't the speed the runner is running. This isnt a speed at all.

It's a DELAY. That delay is reduced by 0.3 seconds, then 0.24, then 0.19

[untold niche]

peril really only goes down when the psyker's finger touch the staff

[lethal lagoon]

But imagine a little guy getting knocked back every time you are hit.

And when he reaches his destination, your toughness regens

[wind spruce]

Punch on in the carpark, 5 mins

[untold niche]

BIK BOSS

https://tenor.com/view/minions-happy-cheering-excited-encore-gif-3437175

[vestal fulcrum]

IDK if there is any observable delay, although the way I understand quell speed works is it reduces the total time it takes to thoroughly vent peril (I.e., ticks of quelling effectively quell higher amounts of peril, according to either staff modifier and/or its multiplication with Solidity skill in mind)

[lethal lagoon]

I mean look, without my "runner math" you still have .77 versus 1.5 which is more than 90%.

1.5 to 1.20 makes no sense without runner math

[radiant frigate]

what

is it

[wind spruce]

0.77/1.5 is 51.333~%

[lethal lagoon]

It's more than 90% "faster"

[wind spruce]

which is consistent with 20% reduction per curio

idk why

might be the mod

[lethal lagoon]

If you do something in half the time, you are doing it twice as fast.

[radiant frigate]

i guess it is slightly more than 90%

[wind spruce]

1.5 * 0.8 * 0.8 *0.8 = 0.76

[radiant frigate]

1.5 to 1.2 still makes no sense however

[wind spruce]

but the maths should theoretically be

[lethal lagoon]

That seems like a concidence

[wind spruce]

1.5 * 0.7 * 0.7 *0.7

[radiant frigate]

not exactly

[untold niche]

@rocky raven ignore the first few seconds of course, i quell with spacebar.
You can see that it doesn't quell as soon as i press spacebar
that is the delay im talking about

[lethal lagoon]

When something is measure in time, i.e it takes 1.5 seconds to do it, you are missing variables in terms of spd.

[radiant frigate]

more like 1.5/1.3
1.5/1.6
1.5/1.9

[untold niche]

with the tree skill, there is a obvious difference in the delay for me yeah.

[wind spruce]

thats assuming it would be additive

not multiplicitive

[lethal lagoon]

If it took 10 hours, how fast was he running?

Answer the question

[wind spruce]

i literally cant tell if ur fkn with me too autistic

[vestal fulcrum]

If a certain time in the total quelling time is allocated to that delay existing, then quell speed might also reduce it, I suppose, but, again, I may be missing some information/am not too hard of a nerd to give a definite answer

[radiant frigate]

ok but if it's 1.5/(1.3x1.3) etc the numbers are even more off

[wind spruce]

not with a 20% multiplicitive reduction their not

[lethal lagoon]

If it took 1.5 seconds, how fast was he running
My point is we don't know "it" or "fast".

[radiant frigate]

20% is a completely made up number from the 1.5 to 1.2 bit

[wind spruce]

no its not

[radiant frigate]

i'm saying some source somewhere is probably wrong

[untold niche]

https://streamable.com/fu08cs

[wind spruce]

a 20% decrease on 1.5 = 1.2

[radiant frigate]

yes but we are working with increments of 30%

[wind spruce]

idk where the 20% comes from

yeah i know

[radiant frigate]

therefore 20% is made up

[wind spruce]

thats what the confusion is

WHY

is it doing 20%

is it the mod

[lethal lagoon]

It's not.

[radiant frigate]

because 1.5 is the distance

[wind spruce]

or is it fatshark math

[wind spruce]

i dont understand

[lethal lagoon]

1.5 seconds, what's the distance? what's the spd?

[wind spruce]

its a time delay

is it not?

[lethal lagoon]

It is, but that's also not a real thing.

[radiant frigate]

1.5 is the distance, but the distance is not shortened, the speed is increased

[lethal lagoon]

time isn't real

1.5 seconds is a measurement of how long it takes for something to happen.

That "it" is getting multiplied by 30%

[wind spruce]

hmmm

[lethal lagoon]

I made up an "It" to try and understand it #psyker-class message

Cause I'm a fucking idiot

And I need an example

Also, I've been waiting this whole time for someone smarter to come in and correct everything

[rocky raven]

all quell items have an animation if you arent cancelling, same with blitzes. you should be quell ticking for instant response on things like slides when needed

[lethal lagoon]

The Ogryn emotes really fit me atm

[wind spruce]

Do we think the regen delay is not simply "time out of combat until you start regening toughness" because that was my understanding

[lethal lagoon]

Right, but time still isn't real.

Imagine a progress bar

[radiant frigate]

do we think the regen delay is worth talking about

[wind spruce]

maths is always worth talking about

[untold niche]

yes, but the animation goes way faster with the tree node

[lethal lagoon]

It's a video game, is anything "worth" talking about?

No.

But it's fun

[wind spruce]

^

[radiant frigate]

Perhaps

my main question is still why run toughness regen curios

[lethal lagoon]

Imagine a progress bar going from 0 - 100 in 1.5 seconds, that's toughness regen delay.
toughness regen increases the spd of that progress bar by 30%.
The result is 1.2 seconds

(maybe that's how it works).

[radiant frigate]

the result still would not be 1.2

[wind spruce]

yeah

because

[radiant frigate]

it would be more like 1.15

[wind spruce]

100/ 1.5 = 66.6666~ p/s

[radiant frigate]

1.2 would be the result if you specifically have the one zealot talent that gives 25% toughness regen, and no other sources, and most certainly no 30%

it would however be a real shocker to find out that 30% isn't actually 30%

like rending not being 5% but 2.5%

[wind spruce]

1.2 is 80% of 1.5

my gs

[radiant frigate]

not what you should be looking at, again

[lethal lagoon]

I mean .77 seconds is still more than 90% faster, so I'm a chock it up to a win a head out cause I'm out of ideas.

[wind spruce]

explain like im a 5 year old

like actually

[radiant frigate]

the distance is 1.5, you run at a speed of 1, it takes you 1.5 time to cross the distance
increase your speed by 30%
you run at a speed of 1.3
distance is still 1.5, but it takes you 1.15 time to cross it because 1.5/1.3=1.15

now unfortunately this does not add up with the numbers you posted

but really, nothing does

[wind spruce]

ok that makes sense ty

[lethal lagoon]

Hit me up with an @ if you anyone figures it out

I'm invested.

[radiant frigate]

deep lore

[lethal lagoon]

It would suck if the inventory stats were just wrong

[wind spruce]

I'm talking to ovenproof hopefully he can figure it out

[lethal lagoon]

if it helps, 1.5 seconds to .77 seconds is about 94-95% faster

[wind spruce]

hahaha i was right

fuck u all

"gadget_toughness_regen_delay": {
"gadget_toughness_regen_delay": {
"4": {
"stat_buffs": {
"toughness_regen_delay_multiplier": "0.80000000000000004 (number)",
"toughness_regen_rate_modifier": "0.29999999999999999 (number)"
}
},
"3": {
"stat_buffs": {
"toughness_regen_delay_multiplier": "0.84999999999999998 (number)",
"toughness_regen_rate_modifier": "0.22500000000000001 (number)"
}
},
"1": {
"stat_buffs": {
"toughness_regen_delay_multiplier": "0.94999999999999996 (number)",
"toughness_regen_rate_modifier": "0.074999999999999997 (number)"
}
},
"2": {
"stat_buffs": {
"toughness_regen_delay_multiplier": "0.90000000000000002 (number)",
"toughness_regen_rate_modifier": "0.14999999999999999 (number)"

[lethal lagoon]

But it's still 95% faster....

That hasn't changed.

[radiant frigate]

so it just applies a multiplier to delay

HOWEVER

it has nothing whatsoever to do with 30%

it's just a made up 20%

[wind spruce]

no, omg. it applies a 20% reduction per 30% curio

[radiant frigate]

not listed anywhere

or explained

[wind spruce]

as the code says

so first curio

[radiant frigate]

30% is 20%

[wind spruce]

1.5 * 0.8

= 1.2

second curio

[lethal lagoon]

But.... why

[wind spruce]

1.2 *0.8

= 0.96

third curio

0.96 * 0.8 = 0.77

because fatshark

and hidden stats

[radiant frigate]

because fatshark

[lethal lagoon]

Okay, but the topic was that the the more toughness regen you had the better, it's still 95% faster , and the "spd" increases

But also lose in every other way

[wind spruce]

well no

[lethal lagoon]

It get's faster with every regen

Zoomies

[wind spruce]

it gets less faster with each perk

[radiant frigate]

what

[wind spruce]

0.3 seconds from first curio

0.24 seconds from second curio

[lethal lagoon]

That's not how spd is calculated

[radiant frigate]

the delay reduction in seconds does get smaller

but that is because there is less delay to reduce

[wind spruce]

0.19 from third curio

[lethal lagoon]

The actual regen is faster with every curio

[wind spruce]

what kat said

its the same as block efficiency, gunner resist etc

you're reducing each time

[lethal lagoon]

Well now you are into effective HP and armor math, that's a bit different

Anyways I really need to be off, but the regen spd is increased technically speaking 🤓

[radiant frigate]

turns out if you make numbers bigger, they get bigger

[wind spruce]

Catcha mate haha

[lethal lagoon]

Was fun lmao , fatshark be wildin, thanks for getting that stuff.

[radiant frigate]

this might be another case of "thanks i hate it"

we shall simply apply a different percentage from the one we listed, et voila

fatshark

[wind spruce]

to be fair

they didnt even list it

just a straight hidden bonus

cos LOVE

[radiant frigate]

what is listed is +30% toughness regeneration

what is also given is a 20% delay reduction

[wind spruce]

yeah

[radiant frigate]

which is coupled with the 30% regeneration buff

why? because Yes

[wind spruce]

take your pudding and STFU

[radiant frigate]

yeah definitely a case of "thanks i hate it"

i will not take the pudding, i didn't order it

[wind spruce]

😦

[radiant frigate]

i'm sorry

[wind spruce]

I'm pretty fucking happy we figured that out

The code is in here if you're interested @radiant frigate @lethal lagoon

[plucky flax]

Good luck

[lethal lagoon]

So it really was just as simple as 20% each time

You were right 😖

[wind spruce]

[lethal lagoon]

The "Spd" increase adds up to be about equal with each curio, so 3 doesn't have diminishing returns, it has just right returns.

Well hmm.

I still need a smart eye on that part.

With armor math for example, 10% to 11% DR is worth less than 11% to 12% DR.

So if the SPD is increasing by the same % everytime, end result should be "worth" more.

[wind spruce]

idk what you mean, first curio literally reduces time delay by 0.3 seconds, second curio by an additional 0.24 seconds, third curio by another 0.19s

20% each time

[lethal lagoon]

Time isn't real 😖

Wait, I can explain

[wind spruce]

last curio gains you the least amount of the raw stat value

[lethal lagoon]

Time isn't the "raw stat" though

[wind spruce]

Ovenproof confirmed

[lethal lagoon]

That's just the displayed stat

[wind spruce]

he smart

[lethal lagoon]

I can't do much more than the runner example 🤷‍♂️ , but I don't know if that applies here.

For armor math for example, if you have 50% DR and 100 health, how much health do you "actually" have?

[wind spruce]

this is what we're talking about if anyone wants context without reading 10,000 messages

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message

And this is why I'm saying each toughness regen perk has the same/more value.

Anyways, you have 200 "effective HP" in that example.
If you increase DR by 1.2, you have 60,
But you don't have 240 HP, you have 250 HP

[wind spruce]

That would apply if it was a speed we we're moving at, an amount we were regening at, etc, per second

but this is the delay before we start moving

[lethal lagoon]

But you are moving at a spd. That's what the 1.5 seconds is counting. The speed between the start of the delay and the regen.

[wind spruce]

let me notepad this hang on

[lethal lagoon]

Imagine like a loading bar for Toughness Delay. The loading bar starts moving when you get hit and fill up when the regen starts.

[wind spruce]

That imagery doesnt work for me i need to work out the math myself, brb trying

[lethal lagoon]

Alright keep in mind I might be a dummy.

[wind spruce]

we need to cross x distance, lets call that 150m

our move speed is y, that will be 100 m/s

x/y = 1.5s = z

We decrease the time taken to cross the distance by 20%

z * 0.8 = 1.2s = c

Move speed (y) = x/c = 125 m/s

We decrease our time taken by another 20%

c * 0.8 = 0.96 = v

Move speed (y) = x/v = 156.25 m/s

We decrease our time taken by another 20%

v * 0.8 = 0.768 = d

move speed y = 195.3125

Ok i see (more to the point, have proven myself so im satisfied kekw) what you're saying

the movement speed of the bar increases more with each perk

but

its still less time

[lethal lagoon]

but

time isn't real

[wind spruce]

so im just confused

[wind spruce]

is this just a joke or something to help me intuitively understand this haha

[lethal lagoon]

Not really a joke, I mean it's not real

I thought it might help

Uhhh, maybe the DR to effective HP example will help?

DR is a pretty number, but at the end of the day, the number that matters is the one we can't see, the effective HP?

[wind spruce]

i dont understand that one yet, but doing so may help

lay out the numbers?

[lethal lagoon]

So if you have 100 HP and 50% DR, an attack that deals 20 damage deals 10.

[wind spruce]

although i also should be going to bed lmao

[lethal lagoon]

So you basically have double HP.

[wind spruce]

yiis

[lethal lagoon]

Anyways, I reallly need to get going this time too haha

[wind spruce]

resume chat at a later date haha

[lethal lagoon]

Yeppers, see ya mate. 👋

[wind spruce]

ill be single again if i stay up much longer

[lethal lagoon]

[deep pine]

wow just made a decent surge staff and trying it out in damnation...really fun!

[river sand]

hey gus, which one to use ?

[wind spruce]

they're both pretty godrolled, tbh

Apparently blast radius is actually better lower because the larger orb makes it harder to hit accurate headshots on certain enemies

[river sand]

yeah question is more nexus vs. flurry

[wind spruce]

are you running true aim?

[river sand]

with flurry you are super reliant on headshots to procc surge

[wind spruce]

exactly

i like nexus more

but flurry is good QoL

[river sand]

flurry is great, but on harder targets like monstrosities/crusher etc the nexus critchance shines

[wind spruce]

exactly

where as when you're taking out multiple spread out targets

flurry shines

eg gunners

[river sand]

weapons need a third blessing ....

[wind spruce]

if only

[steep estuary]

Imagine

[plucky flax]

Yes surge is op.

[cold geode]

Surge was op when it was busted a few patches ago. Now its balanced.

[plucky flax]

Ease of play with good damage made it op in my eyes.

So easy to do well in.

Surge + illisi + smite = no aiming required.

[cold geode]

Yea, setup I use when I wanna use a staff.

[plucky flax]

My last 2 games I did the same exact damage number

1 on zealot on on psyker.

[tulip kettle]

Nothing Sus here officer

[keen raft]

Ey guys, what should I do with this one? I know the charge rate kinda sucks, hopefully the blessing helps but the rest is good

[tulip kettle]

For me I would change perks to carapace and flak

Maybe flak and +5 crit chance

[wind spruce]

the charge rate definitely isnt ideal but its only 0.06s difference from 80%

less important than on trauma

[tulip kettle]

Or you could keep maniac, drop specials for flak and then upgrade nexus

[keen raft]

that's where I thought to head myself too

[tulip kettle]

And yeah flurry is all you need really for charge rate

Interesting thing

Going from nexus 2 to 4 increases your crit chance by 4%, at 80+ peril

So +5 crit chance perk is a stronger upgrade than nexus 2 to nexus 4

I personally think the true strength of void is in flurry / transfer as you always aim weakspots anyway

[keen raft]

Would it be worth it though without getting the blessing that does double bolts with crits?

[tulip kettle]

I'd rather have consistent DPS than higher bursts. And yea you do need surge but I assumed you don't have it

For crit builds on void staff

[keen raft]

I've got it unlocked so I could put it on

Change nexus to surge and ranged specialist damage to +5 crit

[tulip kettle]

In which case flurry becomes surge and specials becomes flak

No if u have surge you keep nexus

[keen raft]

Hmm, alright I can do that

[tulip kettle]

It's not perfect but will feel great

Bear in mind you need to quell cancel with this

[keen raft]

Close enough

[tulip kettle]

Very ez to blow yourself up

[keen raft]

Yeah, I thought so

haven't played around with left click builds much so it'll be an adjustment

Thanks for the help though, cya in the warp

[tulip kettle]

Just as an extra thing

That staff with +carapace instead of flak hits the 1 shot breakpoint on crushers

If you hit a weakspot crit

On full charge

[small valve]

i like gunpsyker

[tulip kettle]

Oo careful

Hot take alert, stunning AND brave

[small valve]

it's satisfying

[tulip kettle]

Is it?

[small valve]

i think so

[tulip kettle]

And I suppose you can do lots of damage too?

Move really fast?

[small valve]

nah my damage output is ass

[tulip kettle]

How innovative

Try following one of the gunker builds here and using the columnus

[small valve]

I'm too attached to my revolver

[tulip kettle]

Okay dude 🙂

[small valve]

it feels nice to go around blasting gunners in the face and then smiting to keep them stunned

I also use the duelling sword for maximum nerd value

[deep pine]

why illisi? Do you run shriek or bubble? it seems more suited for Shriek.

[tulip kettle]

He is running surge and smite

So needs a way to actually kill the hordes

Illisi is best psyker melee wep for that

And yes shriek with creeping flames is just stronk

[deep pine]

ok nice thank

How is this weapon?

[sinful peak]

should I buy?

[deep pine]

forsure

[steep fractal]

Decent stats, but the obscurus is kind of just strictly worse than the deimos

[deep pine]

yeah I just tested it in the meat grinder, I don't like it.

[steep fractal]

Not perfect but worst case you get a viable staff you can rip nexus 4 off of

[cold ivy]

there's like a 50/50 chance of the last blessing being good, iirc

cuz surge staff's blessing pool is so small

[sinful peak]

[plucky flax]

With shriek creeping flames and illisi

[hollow halo]

everytime i make a new build and see the skill tree i have to appreciate the artwork here. Its so good 😩

gunpsyker: "You came to the wrong hive city, motherfucker"

[cold ivy]

my condolences

that was the wrong 50

you can still sorta make it work, 15 unyielding isn't the end of the world

[steel sluice]

It’s All fun and games until the big iron starts glowing

[cold ivy]

run flak? on the other perk and then warp flurry instead of run n gun

[deep pine]

Nice thx, you doing H1L1 for horde clear with illisi?

[plucky flax]

Light spam + some specials thrown in.

Speacil heavy if I have space. Special light if no space. Special light is very fast.

[untold niche]

stat wise second, blessing wise first

[umbral helm]

special light can also be used to stunlock ragers if you're quick enough

[untold niche]

oh ya, dood.
Can i clarify that the quell speed talent in the skill tree also reduce manual quell delay?

there is bound to

be someone here who can answer that

[vestal fulcrum]

Might I add, Special light applied to face (/Weakspot) also deals very solid damage

[untold niche]

oh ye mister kjerad,
lowest bound for voidstrike blast radius?

60?

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t know these things, sibling

[umbral helm]

I'm not a numbers guy so no idea, never paid attention

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t set standards

I just play with the stuff I have or Hadron bricked for me

[untold niche]

would you play with like a 39 blast radius one

[vestal fulcrum]

I probably wouldn’t notice

[sinful peak]

blast radius isn't very useful from my understanding

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t take Void for its aoe, the epicentre blast is very small, regardless

[untold niche]

sometime i spam right click at my feet

[plucky flax]

Yep always hit heads with illisi. The hit box seems huge it magnetised to heads.

[umbral helm]

from what I understand some people like lower blast radius because the explosion isn't what you're using it for, and definitely not what you're killing with

I think the one I rolled and use for my voidstrike setup has a high blast radius, but it wasn't something I'd hate if it was low

[rare arrow]

Blast radius is for sure the dump stat on void

Though as long as charge rate and damage are good any of the other 3 can be a dump stat depending on your build

You don’t need warp resistance on the transfer peril builds for example

[umbral helm]

I think the main reason it was a subject for debate for a while is because some people mentioned it sometimes making the difference with hitting things if they were behind thin cover, but that's more niche-case usage

[rare arrow]

Yea pretty niche

The void staff is one of the lowest investment weapons in the game for how powerful it is

Given that you only really need good rolls on 2 stats and it has 3-4 main blessings used for it making most rolls extremely viable

[untold niche]

guys

i need a poxburster resistance

[umbral helm]

I find myself personally gravitating to purg the most, but I use them all and void in my opinion is "easy to do, little more difficult to master"

[untold niche]

ahhhh

[rare arrow]

I use purg the least

[untold niche]

yeah i noticed i could abvuse void that way

[rare arrow]

By a pretty large margin

Void staff also starts killing thing at half charge once you start procing true aim or getting crit

[umbral helm]

I'm big on spreading DoT effects in games that have it, Acrid is my favorite Risk of Rain survivor. purg with all the fire everywhere just tickles my brain

[rare arrow]

And even kills faster with surge in those instances. It’s nuts

[rare arrow]

Trauma does this too but also deals with crushers and bulwarks

[vestal fulcrum]

Hm. I kind of wonder whether making an Uncanny/Executor Illisi is something desirable (I already have Slaughterer/Uncanny, so I'm essentially looking for options)

[umbral helm]

ye, but flamethrower is more fun than circle explosion to me. and I just run ds4 to make up for the lack of armor pen of purg

[vestal fulcrum]

Or a special-attack centric one (i.e., rerolling Executor to something more desirable)

[rare arrow]

I don’t go anywhere without my DS4

[rare arrow]

I’m pretty sure uncanny slaughterer is BIS

Deflector/slaughter is a safe option

[umbral helm]

one of my friends runs a melee psyker setup with the blazing spirit meme but having leaned fully into it, wildfire and all. it's fun watching the entire horde suddenly light up after a couple special swings

[vestal fulcrum]

I'm obviously memeing with these somewhat rhetorical questions, so don't mind me too much

[rare arrow]

Also, this here is the best reason to go purg. It’s more fun to you. Only reason I needed to hear

[vestal fulcrum]

I already have a "god roll" Illisi basically

[rare arrow]

As long as you’re killing heretics idc how you’re doing it lol

[rare arrow]

I don’t use force swords much so I can’t help you beyond which ones kill the best lol

I did some calcs to know what stats and perk/blessings are needed and that it

[umbral helm]

I run 80k+ docket auric maels with it, it's my comfort staff

[vestal fulcrum]

I kinda already have this flavour of meme Illisi:

[umbral helm]

I also wear the red prison penance shirt with red pants and the gas mask from the vanguard stuff to pretend I'm tf2 pyro

[vestal fulcrum]

(it's not good)

also

fun fact

[rare arrow]

I had 2 super fun solo clutch last night. 1 I had to solo a plogryn and a horde, the other was a clutch in the stim finale

[vestal fulcrum]

I have this. This, for some reason, still has 5 effective dodges

[umbral helm]

oh yeah, someone mentioned that quirk a while back. during whatever change they did to make force swords not be unlimited anymore they apparently forgot to make mobility affect dodge count, so it's just 5 regardless of mobility

I still like high mobility personally because I enjoy being able to schmove with my warp stick out

[vestal fulcrum]

Dodge distance is definitely a good thing to get out of mobility

The only thing I don’t particularly care well about is Warp resist

[umbral helm]

I feel warp resist is personal preference on most things that have it, and ultimately comes down to how confident you feel in managing the extra peril generation

[untold niche]

2 pox burster round a corner diagonally
i push into the wall

they boom

i die

ez

i pushed them almost at max distance

was half hp too

so sad

[umbral helm]

always unfortunate when you get the push off successfully but they get shoved in a weird way or not far enough for it to not still hit you

I've made a habit of always dodging back at least twice after a shove because I'm paranoid of those scenarios

[radiant frigate]

poxbursters my beloathed

[umbral helm]

at least we're not in the days anymore of them just sometimes ignoring a shove entirely

now the only time they do is if they're 3/4 of the way through their leap anyway

and probably some other fringe-case scenario that I've just not experienced yet

[radiant frigate]

i do not like when they come in pairs

you push one, it explodes, which explodes their buddy who is mid-leap, who explodes you

[umbral helm]

more than 1 is where I believe shooting on sight is better than shoving

just chain explode them from a distance rather than risking it with the shove

[radiant frigate]

usually happens when they already got close

i also do not want to explode my teammates

[umbral helm]

ye, this is all under the pretense that you have time to react. sometimes they just sorta appear and ruin your day

[radiant frigate]

or mutie grabs you and burster joins the party

[steep fractal]

It really peeves me when they pop out a door on top of you without beeping a single time

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[umbral helm]

ye, though that's just taught me to never hang around the spawn door long. it's just asking for it

[radiant frigate]

or when you're slapping a door, only for the door to explode on you

fun

[steep fractal]

Also seems like there's lots of times they'll be out for a while but you never hear the beep because it's muffled out by other stuff going on

And i don't just mean I'm distracted, the noise is actually significantly quieter

[umbral helm]

I remember running a maelstrom once where it was nothing but this. any time there was a burster there had to be a couple mutants, or vice versa. the director was in a bad mood that day

also yeah there's been audio issues for the past couple patches. sometimes certain enemies are just quiet and sneak up on you

I think it's believed to be an engine limitation, where it just gets overloaded and simply stops playing the sounds after a certain point

[steep fractal]

I wish ragers made more distinct noises, characters are always commenting on how noisy they are but they're the quietest special enemy in the game

[untold niche]

wait ragers make sound?

xD

[umbral helm]

"RAAAAAAAAAAAGH, see?! we can all scream!"

[near drift]

before life..... deathhhhhhh

[steep fractal]

They mumble stuff about killing you i think, not sure

[untold niche]

sometimes i hear their soft mumbles yeah

[umbral helm]

ye, most enemies have quiet ramblings they do, even poxwalkers if you listen closely enough. though they mostly mumble about how painful their transformation is

[steep fractal]

Meanwhile maulers are plenty distinct with their "Kill! Crush! Destroy! Aegis Reflector!"

[umbral helm]

or how hungry they are

[radiant frigate]

"convert or die"

least fanatical nurglite

[umbral helm]

the hungry line seems like the most common one. just walking around a sector and hear "hungry, so HUNGRY " around a corner

[sick mulch]

ragers should have 3 axes

[radiant frigate]

ragers should explode when they get too angry

[steep fractal]

Are they secret genestealers?

[umbral helm]

I've also noticed that occasionally, ragers have voices like they've just breathed in helium

[radiant frigate]

female rager

[steep fractal]

Hive world atmospheres are like that sometimes

[umbral helm]

it only started after the patch they added the mission where you gotta go steal stims from the theatre, and my friends theorized that maybe it's the stims, 'cuz they did mention in that cutscene that the heretics would be drugged up on them

[radiant frigate]

stims that change your vocal pitch and give you space AIDS

(and curse your entire bloodline)

[umbral helm]

mtf: a small price to pay, to pass

[radiant frigate]

should have used a fresh needle

[sick mulch]

god id love to fight some genestealers in darktide

[radiant frigate]

what if they steal your genes

[queen fog]

Steal them back obv

[umbral helm]

it's what the lore nerds are buzzing that it might be about, especially with all the Zola stuff

[radiant frigate]

"hello my name is Jean Stealer and i love the Emperor and how he has the normal amount of arms"

[upper sun]

i had someone in my team said they liked the chaos space marines most, would it be toxic to aggro the demon spirit so he can hug his beloved chaos?

[radiant frigate]

stealth 100

it would be, yes

[sick mulch]

saying csm is the edgy version of i like space marines

[untold niche]

I feel smite main players are griefing :v

makes the game too easy

[sick mulch]

like which of the 80 space marines !!

[umbral helm]

I do think that psykers have the most insightful lines in regards to what's really going on. all the ones where they talk about Zola are interesting, like the savant mentioning dreaming about there being 2 of her, and 1 killing the other

[upper sun]

ok but would it be wrong?

[sick mulch]

never

[radiant frigate]

what about ogryns

[radiant frigate]

Yes

toxicity is for nurgle

[sick mulch]

dont listen to the elf

[radiant frigate]

you should not be toxic if you can help it

[upper sun]

its the games fault for matching me with a hereetoic

[sick mulch]

you should always aggro demonhosts

[upper sun]

sorry flamer attacked

[queen fog]

Tabbing into discord mid mission, what a madlad

[sick mulch]

youre just going to ignore a single enemy? thats heretic behavior

[umbral helm]

does he have a weapon with a flashlight attachment?

[upper sun]

t2 its fine

[umbral helm]

if so tell him to shine it on her, she likes the light

helps keep her asleep, like a night light

[radiant frigate]

what's the most common psyker personality, you think?

i wanna say it's the enforcer

[upper sun]

the my beloeved guy or enforcer

[umbral helm]

I run seer, myself

seer being the one that talks about his beloved a lot

[radiant frigate]

your name kind of implied it

[umbral helm]

the banter is fun, with him. I love the ones where "beloved" is just clearly shit talking the other people

"no, beloved. I could never do that, we need her"

[radiant frigate]

i really enjoy my choice with The Loner™️

[sick mulch]

female savant is my favorite

[radiant frigate]

permanently pissed off slavic lady ❤️

The French™️ is alright too

[umbral helm]

"yes, beloved. she isn't really trying, is she? someone really ought to put her through her paces"

[upper sun]

i like the french one most

[umbral helm]

both of these are in reference to female loose cannon vet, iirc

[upper sun]

the female uhhh crazy one is nice too

WE FOUND AMMO KINDRED

or whatever she says

[umbral helm]

I think one of my favorite beloved shit talkings is if a vet goes down enough times he says "beloved, it's not nice to laugh at the veteran"

[upper sun]

the interactions between vet and psyker are great

[umbral helm]

I had a great one with the scottish zealot

[upper sun]

there needs to be better ones with ogryn and psykers tho in my head cannon they are religated to the same area in the mourning star because everyone else is very racist to psykers and ogryn

[umbral helm]

"ye dinnae have to flinch so every time I come near. I'm not going to harm ye."
"really? ...that's not what you said yesterday."
"that was in the heat of the moment, it does nae count."
" 'aye, I'll flay ye alive, accursed freak' you said. it was very hurtful."
"yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry, alright?"

[sick mulch]

bully ogryn should be MORE mean

[upper sun]

"ze loneliness is not unwelcomed but i should find them"

[sick mulch]

i expected basically a human ork and i got slightly miffed big man

[upper sun]

on my ogryn i have the nice one idk which peronality it is

[umbral helm]

I forget which personality it is, but seer and one of them has an oddly wholesome interaction

ogryn mentions how the squad is like family, and seer begins to say that's nice, but gets cut off as the ogryn continues to say "small, squishy family that smells strange and speaks weirdly, but still family" and seer says "that's very nice" and the ogryn says he likes seer the best, and seer says "that's nice, I feel very safe all of a sudden"

[upper sun]

ok i found this on reddit my head cannon is safe once more

[proven falcon]

why is one in every few assailt bolts a different color?

[umbral helm]

denotes a crit

[proven falcon]

is it like, a guaranteed crit one? ope ok thanks @umbral helm

[upper sun]

actually I think we can all agree every teammate is our friend || except the vets they hate abhumans and psykers ||

[sick mulch]

i need to play psyker more ive been shouting too long

[upper sun]

its an ability i dont remember what

[rare arrow]

Also could be EP

[queen fog]

Empowered psionics yea

[upper sun]

i dont think its ep ive had it before running ep

[rare arrow]

I’m colorblind but I thought EP darts were purple instead of blue

[umbral helm]

no, simply is a crit. it exists regardless of taking EP or not

[untold niche]

ogryn itself is a easy class to play, but goddam smite makes it too easy :v

[queen fog]

Oh then it’s just the diff between

Nvm

Someone said the right thing when I was bout to say the wrong thing

I.e one is lmb version and the others rmb

When that couldn’t be farther from the truth

[umbral helm]

to be fair, it wasn't always a thing I think. it was a change a patch or two after assail was added, for visual clarity

it's noticable if you run true aim, because assail both builds it and benefits from it. every 5 weakspot hits your next one will be the different color

[upper sun]

ok seriously is surge even a real blessing? 140 hours in this game 95% as psyker and i have yet to see one

[mental rock]

Def real

Desire sensor getting to you

[upper sun]

every single screenshot is photoshoped I will not believe otherwise until i get one

[trim arch]

wanna go home and play psyker ..

someone come pick me up fuck this shit

[upper sun]

Just drop out

You too can scream at hadron through your monitor for ruining a 380 staff with 2 bad perks and 2 bad blessings

[trim arch]

i’m not 18 yet

[upper sun]

🤔 damn man im sorry

[mental rock]

I mean if you don't stop at 3 bad attributes that's on you

[ebon dune]

Suggestions on what to reroll?

[trim arch]

mm big number

[upper sun]

eh i was trying to at least get a good last blessing

even tho it is a waste of plas

[mental rock]

Change weak spot and get flurry to t4

[ebon dune]

What would be the best for replacing weak spot. Flak?

[mental rock]

Yeah flak is your best bet

[ebon dune]

Ty ty. Time to hunt for a t4 flurry.

[tulip kettle]

I mean, flurry is strictly worse than surge here

Oh shit it's a surge staff ignore me

Wtf is that godroll

Just getting flak for weakspot makes this almost perfect, sure you can replace flurry 3 for 4 but the difference is so negligible it's probs not worth the mats

[hollow halo]

those blessings are

yeah its perfect, warp flurry 4 will be nice once you get it but 3 is perfectly fine

[hollow halo]

i like carapace personally but it comes down to personal preference

and what your other weapons are etc.

[north dock]

anyone have good build for smite that can actually clear stuff with it 🤔

probably empowered psyhonic only huh

[queen fog]

You lack imagination sibling

There’s other ways to do more damage with many of moves, is called warp charge keystone modifier

[willow hazel]

flak + maniac/unyielding/elite. Don't replace Flurry, an extra 0-3% charge speed isn't worth missing out on a 2nd damage perk

[tulip kettle]

He wants 5% crits on a crit build over maniac unyield or elite I would say

None of those will give you a new breakpoint but more crits is good

[willow hazel]

Nah the staff already has ~50% crit with Nexus and 80 Crit bonus. An extra 5% is barely noticable compared to extra damage against relevant enemies

[hollow halo]

when you have a lot of talents that proc on crit then it's not a bad perk to have

[willow hazel]

It would be better on staffs with low base crit, but not on a Surge staff

[hollow halo]

I can see arguments for both. It's a god tier staff in any case

The thing is it depends how often you use your staff against maniacs, ragers etc.
When i use surge i have assail to deal with the ragers and dueling sword to deal with the mutants

I rarely shoot anything other than carapace with my surge so i like having the carapace and crit perks

[willow hazel]

+maniac still lets you get away with partial charges on bombers/trappers and it adds consistency to flamers

The dueling sword does more damage than surge against Crushers, which is the only enemy affected by Carapace

[hollow halo]

And for people who use their dueling sword against crushers they wouldn't need that perk mhmm, but it comes down to playstyle

an extra 5% crit chance not for the damage but just to proc the psyker talents a bit more is what i like myself

[mental rock]

Well maulers, reapers, bulwarks, and the twins also have carapace

[willow hazel]

surge targets the chest, which is unyielding or flak on those 4

[mental rock]

Ah that's what you meant

[hollow halo]

unyielding
might have to try that one out on surge

[willow hazel]

I guess it matters for left click, but you really don't want to be hitting carapace with staff primary

[hollow halo]

yeah might aswell CC them in place with surge

[lyric burrow]

Unyielding never got me any meaningful damage increase for surge tbh

[queen fog]

It’s surge

[hollow halo]

It feels not bad against bosses at the moment

[willow hazel]

Yeah unyielding is great for bosses and lowers TTK on bulwarks and reapers

[lyric burrow]

Like it did do more damage to Unyielding but not enough for me to really want to use it vs bosses

But also you take what you can get for boss damage on psyker

If you arent running scriers stuff

[hollow halo]

Yeah thats true

[queen fog]

I’d stick to BB bosses imo, bread and butter n what not

[hollow halo]

i like surge on my assail builds

[queen fog]

But not everyone gonna have bb

[willow hazel]

surge staff outdamages BB, even more so with +unyeilding

[lyric burrow]

Yeah bb isnt great for boss damage, resonance can make it usable

[zenith vigil]

what blessings and perk should I have on force sword?

[lyric burrow]

Which one

[queen fog]

Do people not use BB with resonance?

Shit makes it so fun

[zenith vigil]

illisi mk5

[lyric burrow]

Well if people arent proccing it

For w/e reason

[tulip kettle]

Illisi is for horde clear

[zenith vigil]

currently I have one with unstable and deflector

[lyric burrow]

Slaught/deflector is good if you want deflector

I use slaught/unstable

Some people like slaughterer/uncanny

[zenith vigil]

thanks, i'll try looking for slau

[tulip kettle]

I think unstable is good with deflector on illisi

[lyric burrow]

But unstable/deflector isnt awful

[tulip kettle]

Slaughterer requires gaining stacks, unstable will nearly always be giving you the benefits you want especially with deflector and KD

And then you want flak

[lyric burrow]

Tbf slaught stacks arent hard to get, if you do one special heavy at a horde you have stacks

[tulip kettle]

With a well rolled illisi and +flak you will 1 shot everything you should be using the illisi for

So it's kind of moot

[noble echo]

the dump stat for a Surge Staff is Charge Rate correct? I'm thinking that or Warp Resistance

[upper sun]

warp resistance is how much peril you get per attack

[tulip kettle]

I use surge the least

But it seems it would be quell speed

[rare arrow]

Crit bonus is a fine dump stat too

Crit damage is a bad stat and surge staff already has enough crit to maintain things like mettle and perfect

[tulip kettle]

But isn't surge built around the crits and that they instakill stuff? Like I say I know the least about surge

[noble echo]

i'm using the crit for a build

[rare arrow]

If not crit bonus then charge rate probably

[tulip kettle]

But I do know it generates stupid amounts of peril

So it won't be warp res probably

[noble echo]

but if i'm looking at the stats and their ranges, it seems like Charge Rate is a minimal range versus warp resistances

[tulip kettle]

I think charge rate also makes sense

[tulip kettle]

Especially as you usually run flurry on surge I think

[rare arrow]

You maintain damage buffs and other things proc on crit. It’s base crit chance, with warp nexus, and build toward crits in the tree is already so much crit chance the extra 5% from crit bonus isn’t necessary

Charge rate also makes sense cause it’s the difference of a 3rd of a second

But also you get to surge way more at 1 second as opposed to 1.25

[static needle]

Can psyker use shotguns? i forgor

[willow hazel]

The best dump stat is either Warp Resist or Quell Speed

[rare arrow]

Flurry and nexus are really the only surge blessings

[noble echo]

with Warp Flurry though is should make up for any Charge Rate sacrifice you'd think

[tulip kettle]

Yeah that's what I think too

But I hate surge honestly

Worst staff by a wide margin

[rare arrow]

Same with warp nexus and crit chance

[rare arrow]

Agree to disagree

[restive slate]

Surge staff? Worst staff? Hahaha

[tulip kettle]

Which do you think is worse?

Yeah sure it's subjective and personal

[noble echo]

i mean i'm rolling with this guy right now

[restive slate]

Right now, Purgatus is lacking a bit

[tulip kettle]

Hahaha

Oh now that's good

[rare arrow]

I think purg is the worst

[restive slate]

Surge serves well in every scenario

[rare arrow]

It doesn’t do anything another staff can’t already do

[tulip kettle]

Purgatus lacking but surge good is for sure a hot take

[noble echo]

but i'm just trying to min max it right, and if i can dump the charge rate and get max everywhere else i think it'd be pretty decent

[willow hazel]

crit bonus gives up to 21% crit chance in addition to damage, definately not a dump stat

[rare arrow]

Surge infinite stuns up to 6 crusher (or any melee)

[tulip kettle]

But if you used void or trauma they would be dead

[restive slate]

Might wanna do a little research on public opinions 1st

[noble echo]

i like surge to stagger armored dudes, like crushers and shit

[rare arrow]

Did you look at the crit chance difference

[tulip kettle]

And you have smite

[rare arrow]

Also what’s the crit hard/soft cap

[noble echo]

nooo I'm running Assail

[tulip kettle]

Yeah I mean

[mental rock]

Purge is weakest staff imo

[tulip kettle]

Why run surge to cc crushers

[willow hazel]

surge kills crushers faster than Void, and depending on how many it may be better than truama

[restive slate]

My favourite psyker staff is Columnus IAG after all

[tulip kettle]

Lok

[rare arrow]

If you’re playing smite you don’t necessarily need surge but also smite doesn’t kill

[tulip kettle]

Lol

[rare arrow]

It kills them as well

[restive slate]

Surge kills not CC lol

[tulip kettle]

Void 1 shots crushers

[vocal cliff]

Dual Columnus staff

(it's just two Columnus on each end)

[tulip kettle]

It's the only staff that can

So like, I don't agree with that at all

[restive slate]

Assail but its floating Columnus IAGs

[willow hazel]

maybe with a fully stacked DD and a true aim crit, but not normally

[tulip kettle]

Yes normally

[vocal cliff]

Having a floating weapon by my side would be cool

[restive slate]

Unfortunate

[tulip kettle]

I have one

[queen fog]

Reminds me of Xaku from Warframe, spectral guns auto tracking to enemies around

[tulip kettle]

If you crit on surge it one shots

[queen fog]

Plays the game for u

[tulip kettle]

Nothing else required

Surge blessing on void I mean

[rare arrow]

Not according to the calc

[tulip kettle]

I will show you when I get home

[restive slate]

Perhaps in older patch, it oneshots. Not anymore

[tulip kettle]

Lol, it does

[willow hazel]

I think it used to before they nerfed carapace damage

[tulip kettle]

It

[rare arrow]

According to the calc max stacks up they deal ~1600 per orb so 3200 on a surge

[tulip kettle]

Does

I will rec in 90 Mins when I'm back from work

[rare arrow]

Just walk into psyk and take a screen shot

Show us

[restive slate]

90 mins? Better @ later on

[tulip kettle]

I am at work on mobile

I will in 90 mins

[rare arrow]

Void is the best staff

So I’m not here arguing against it

Just saying the calc doesn’t have it doing that

[tulip kettle]

I know it doesn't, but the calc doesn't account for other stuff

[restive slate]

Just objectively looking

[rare arrow]

Yea, it doesn’t see warp rider and other things

[tulip kettle]

Like 5% against elites from talents

[restive slate]

Not sure with even 8 warp charges or Full 15 DD stacks, if Surge Void can oneshot a Crusher

[rare arrow]

But if the scenario is as niche as “void one shots a crusher on a crit, at 90% peril, on tuesdays with warm weather” then I’ll just take my 2 shots

[willow hazel]

I think with 30 it should be possible, but that isn't a real thing

[rare arrow]

Void staff is the best staff, so there isn’t really any contention here

[willow hazel]

I would put it 3rd, even lower if we consider the columnus a "staff"

[rare arrow]

8 warp charges?

[restive slate]

Ive never ran 30 DD stacks haha

[rare arrow]

Agree to disagree

[restive slate]

4, I was in a dreamstate

[rare arrow]

I thought maybe you meant 6 haha but you said 8 and I was like “man am I bad at math”

[tulip kettle]

With warp rider and a crit with 5% elite damage talent it's very doable

No need for DD or anything

[restive slate]

Oh shit I'm Ogryning hard

[tulip kettle]

It's not that niche

But you DO need to crit

[plucky flax]

Pls buff other 3 staves

[tulip kettle]

So there's that

[rare arrow]

Dope can’t wait to see the full screenshot lol

[tulip kettle]

Obviously timing lets you guarantee the crit proc

[rare arrow]

They’re all good in their own right and the only two that compete for the same space are trauma and surge really

[tulip kettle]

But all of this is why I think flurry and transfer is better on void staff

[plucky flax]

Void is 3rd in my ranking.

[tulip kettle]

Lower dmg, more shots to kill

But consistent, reliable, and no need to stop shooting ever

[rare arrow]

Transfer fires more surge fires harder. I like nexus surge for boss damage and stagger

[restive slate]

As much as people like Void, and I acknowledge its strengths. I find Void a lil boring

[tulip kettle]

Oh I agree with that

Void is boring cos it's ez mode

[restive slate]

Oh but yea Voidstrike boss stagger is great

[plucky flax]

Surge is easier.

[tulip kettle]

Purg at least means you have to think about stuff far away

And surge is easy to aim sure

But I hate how 3 shots is 0-100 peril

Honestly if surge had 10m more range I'd probably love it

[restive slate]

Lmb exists tbh

And them psybolts be doing work since last patch

[plucky flax]

Sounds broken with 35m range

[tulip kettle]

Yeah I don't enjoy tickling the reaper squad lighting me up 30m away with lmb

Just got frustrated with zapping things and them being a few M too far away

[restive slate]

Its the suppression from lmb thats useful

[tulip kettle]

Then I've gained 35 peril in one second and have nothing to show for it

[umbral helm]

suppression, finishing enemies that are low quickly, and if you're weird like me firing a couple potshots at the sniper 70m away

[tulip kettle]

At least purgatus deletes anything non carapace

[restive slate]

Just quell slide

If I dare be so bold to suggest

[tulip kettle]

"just"

[plucky flax]

My surge deletes everything ngl

[tulip kettle]

Tell that to the game eating my sprint input about 30% of the time

[rare arrow]

Bold? Is this not something everyone just does

[tulip kettle]

Leaving me crouching up and down like a lemon

[restive slate]

(Pssst bold to suggest to someone here hahaha I jest)

[rare arrow]

I don’t knife lunge, but quell and dodge are my primary movement sources lol

[umbral helm]

could dodge slide into quelling, if sprinting is the problem

[rare arrow]

Rather I don’t like knife lunge. It’s one of the reasons I DS4 instead

[plucky flax]

Surge clutch in green nurgle blessed
https://youtu.be/J8JgIjm1FOI

Veri ez staff

[rare arrow]

Yea I sprint, slide, quell all the time

[umbral helm]

I dodge slide backwards in elevators if I'm bored

or spin while swinging the staff around

[restive slate]

If I'm ahead of the group I like to slide spin to see the rest of the team

[hollow halo]

360 slide spin gang 💪

[plucky flax]

Big table or high sen?

[eager horizon]

A blue talent that gives you DR on quell could be cool. A lot of the psyker talents are pretty passive.

[static needle]

what is DR stand for

[static needle]

deutsche republik?

[eager horizon]

Damage Resist. The % itself would probably change based on peril %

[restive slate]

Ogryns on ice

[vapid spire]

Hey guys I feel like playing psker what’s a good melee weapon?

[queen fog]

Fencing sword but u won’t have access to it on low trust level

[vapid spire]

Am max level so anything

[restive slate]

The lightsaber called Illisi is a fun option too

[queen fog]

I always assume someone saying “I feel like playing X” is a broski who don’t got much levels in the said operator, got u tho

[restive slate]

I prefer weapons that aid my psyekr mobility but thats my preference

Knife, DS, Chainsword with Rev It Up blessing

Staff/Columnus being my main damage most of the time

[vapid spire]

Nah am a vet player mainly just want to change it up just asking for a wee bit of help

[restive slate]

You looking for Staff Psyker experience or Gun Psyker?

[vapid spire]

Staff psker

[restive slate]

Going palpatine is easiest without much grinding

[vapid spire]

Fair enough thanks

[tacit cargo]

Is perilous combustion actually remotely useful?

[long wharf]

Short answer: yes

Long answer: very much yes

[tacit cargo]

fair enough, i found three stacks to be very lackluster, but i guess it drastically scales with the amount of elites

[tulip kettle]

PC scales better on higher difficulties for sure

It's also widely considered one of the strongest talents, and you better have a pretty good reason for not taking it

[restive slate]

Heard Xbox has more aim assist

But yea Tide games is more of a PC than console game

Plus, I've grown too used to my QoL mods

[upper sun]

why does smite alone have a forced cool down on peril?

[tulip kettle]

PC meaning perilous combustion

[willow hazel]

It's BM to not run PC with 2+ Psykers

[queen fog]

Idk probs would be pretty easy to explode without a auto-quell

Considering how fast u can get to max peril smiting a horde

[long wharf]

What do bowel movements have to do with anything? 🤔

[willow hazel]

bad manners

[long wharf]

Smite ought to do more damage and generate peril faster

[dapper briar]

Let's be honest. You would have cleared this faster with either Trauma or Void. Also, if you had assail.

[plucky flax]

Idk maybe I would have died instead. Can't really tell.

[patent wing]

im still annoyed we dont have a build with boss + ogryn dmg at all

that works in a5

[olive ember]

Is he still coping with surge staff

[plucky flax]

[olive ember]

There is, it’s called run dueling sword and a autogun and run around stabbing things

Until boss shows up

[patent wing]

i wanna see u fight 6 crushers at once in a smol hallway

[olive ember]

It’s not that bad

[lyric burrow]

Duelling swords are quite good at dealing with crushers

Exceptional even

[spice veldt]

if it's a hallway then you can more easily do it

[olive ember]

It’s like 3 stabs to kill one, you stagger them with the special, you have lots of big dodges

[lyric burrow]

It has good ttk

[patent wing]

and what about bulwarks

[lyric burrow]

I think 3 shot with uncanny up

[patent wing]

u think i have the time to wait until they attack me?

[olive ember]

Special their head opens them

Or assail their head opens them

[spice veldt]

and perilous combustion for larger packs

[lyric burrow]

And then you get burn stacks on top of it

From perilous

[patent wing]

cant special their head if they shield themself lol

[lyric burrow]

Which uncanny makes stronger

[spice veldt]

well bulwarks are a pain no matter what

[olive ember]

There’s a couple ways, bulwarks are kinda cancer for everyone except plasma vets who ignore their shields

[spice veldt]

even on other classes unless you roll with certain builds

[patent wing]

also they dont come alone and have additional ragers maulers or other trash around

[olive ember]

But assail to open is prob the best bet

[spice veldt]

so true, too bad Psyker has no tools to deal with densities of enemies

[lyric burrow]

Also if your stuck in a hallway with 6 bulwarks you can reposition if you really have no good way to deal with them and your tram isnt helping

[olive ember]

[lyric burrow]

Good thing talents also dont synergize with enemy density

[mental rock]

My crusher chain staggering infinite bulwarks indefinitely

[spice veldt]

poor little wittle psyker

[patent wing]

btw i have a question; maybe im just to bad, but with deimos i can barely dodge the chaos spawn

[olive ember]

Look psyker is just the worst class in the game

Go play something meta

Like ogryn

[lyric burrow]

You don't wanna dodge spawn really

Traditionally speaking

[patent wing]

my team always dead in my build

[lyric burrow]

You can dodge away but mostly your blocking

[olive ember]

Your team is always dead

[lyric burrow]

If you have good enough dodge distance you can keep space easier

[olive ember]

Darktide is not a team game

[patent wing]

yeah but ive seen videos with vets who dont even take a single hit with pwr swrd

[olive ember]

That’s a misconception the casuals have

Except maybe ammo aura and field improv

[spice veldt]

mostly gambling to see if you can spot dodge a chaos spawn

[lyric burrow]

It is possible but your really dodging to just keep space

Id have to see a video of what your doing

[spice veldt]

just spam dodge and hope it goes well

[olive ember]

Spam dodge but make sure you have enough dodge to spot dodge the grab

Chaos spawn is just kinda cancer in general

[lyric burrow]

just spam dodge and hope it goes well

[olive ember]

Which ig is the point

[patent wing]

just lemee search my history for the video, whats this site called where most ppl upload their videos here?

[spice veldt]

the grab is reliably dodged if you're close up if you dodge to the right

[olive ember]

I just OBS and upload to YouTube

[spice veldt]

you can do it with psword dodges even

[olive ember]

Got my epic heresy knife zealot fail video

Where I got trolled by a trapper

[patent wing]

theres a common site where i found it

ppl use it here often to upload videos

[spice veldt]

medal TV or streamable?

[patent wing]

https://medal.tv/de/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1xeFkApBVg-FFl/ynWd72s2NdXE?invite=cr-MSxrWnAsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA?mobilebypass=true

i mean look at him

hows that even possible

[spice veldt]

cuz he's also blocking the attacks

[patent wing]

oh wait dont tell me he still has invuln activated lool

[spice veldt]

nah

creature spawner invuln only affects health

and will of the emperor invuln still shows toughness damage for a moment

[patent wing]

i dont even see the blocks, must be pixel perfect lol

[spice veldt]

he's doing blocks into push-attacks

that's crab and he's done quite a few bosses solo

[patent wing]

looks more like heave - light?

or is it the new knife

[spice veldt]

if you look at his Rashad chaos spawn solo, he'll be blocking more

he's doing heavies, the 3rd light, and push-attacks

h2 chains into l3 which is a stab with bonus damage

[patent wing]

wait wait how can he choose which light

[mental rock]

That's how attack chains work

[spice veldt]

h2 chains into l3, and l3 chains into h2

[patent wing]

ah yes i thought he could choose lol

[spice veldt]

so it's a loop that you can repeat

[patent wing]

or at least i thought u mean this

idk man this guy must know all attack patterns still sick

of spawn

[spice veldt]

nah I was just responding to your comment remarking on the heavies and lights

ye

crab knows his stuff

[patent wing]

around 8 seconds he is literally hitting it while its in its attaack animation

[mental rock]

That was a block push attack

[patent wing]

yeah but this breaks the block afaik

[spice veldt]

nah

[mental rock]

The push has a brief period of blocking

[spice veldt]

the chaos spawn has no block bypass attacks

[olive ember]

The grab

[spice veldt]

none of his attacks break your block

[patent wing]

the block push attack interrupts blocking tho?

[spice veldt]

the block lingers after either a push or a push-attack

i forget which one

probably the push

[olive ember]

Pretty sure it’s the push

Since you can get hit while push attacking

[patent wing]

so but a push is before the push attack

[spice veldt]

the chaos spawn fight is probably more consistent in the psykhanium

though i'm not sure if chaos spawn attacks are one of the attacks that are lag compensatd

[patent wing]

anyway we cant do that as psykers

[spice veldt]

psyker has similar dodge stats to zealot and also kinetic deflection so you can also spam push-attacks

[patent wing]

yeah but we dont have the dmg

[spice veldt]

yeah we don't have stuff like zealot's Duellist but it is what it is

[patent wing]

or the crit chance
or the bleed
or the 20% unyielding dmg boost

only meaningful boss dmg is columnus with scriers gaze, and it still needs 2 magazines and a bit

if u only headshot

[spice veldt]

still fine without scrier's on the plague ogryn, and also fine on the other bosses with scrier's cuz of crit strings

it's true that psyker has sad boss damage with their force weapons though

[olive ember]

I’m psure there’s a clip of someone meleeing a chaos spawn by themselves as a psyker

Somewhere

[willow hazel]

It's too hard with a dueling sword

[patent wing]

it takes 20seconds with only headshots on mk4 ds

if u nonstop chain it

[willow hazel]

If DD is up it's a lot faster