psyker-class

[rare arrow]

Someone was saying oven is off a lot

[wind spruce]

Something something rushing around to go down three times and die once

[rare arrow]

And it looks like yours is too

[wind spruce]

BOOM HEADSHOT

[plucky flax]

Yeah maybe.

But man smelled blood and went for me.

[wind spruce]

I heard ovens is the only accurate one

[plucky flax]

I just cried. 😦

[rare arrow]

The base scoreboard at the top and oven info at the bottom are different

[primal plume]

Me whenever I see a Beast of Nurgle:

[rare arrow]

Idk which is correct, but they can’t both be right lol

[wind spruce]

Yeah I've been told its the reg one and the damage extension mods that have the flaw

[plucky flax]

Yes he got nearly same damage as me in regular board but lower in oven board.

He carried me tho.

[rare arrow]

I use additional scoreboard mods but idk what they’re called anymore

[eager mantle]

Isn't that person right now being called out for weird feet stuff

[primal plume]

yes lmao

Im just reading through them now

[plucky flax]

Chugga is into feet?

I used to watch his pokemon stuff.

[primal plume]

And cant take a hint

[eager mantle]

Was like "I just saw something that looked like this name"

[primal plume]

he hounds women

apparently

[plucky flax]

Damn I would never have thought.

He sounded like a nice literate chap.

[primal plume]

this fucking year needs to chill. we just started

[plucky flax]

[rare arrow]

2024 is starting strong for sure

[queen fog]

huh i remember chugga's super mario sunshine lets plays

[wind spruce]

There's scoreboard damage and scoreboard defence plugin mods that I used to use b4 ovens

[queen fog]

now ill probs see him in a different light considering his..

interests

[rare arrow]

It may be those. It separates damage out a little and shows me who killed the most what

[primal plume]

Im going to hyper analyze every video now to see if his feet fetish slips through

[plucky flax]

What kind of feet though?

Real human feet?

Or some alien shits?

[queen fog]

judging by the SS, any thats stinky

[wind spruce]

I'm gonna go do some testing..I believe it has something to do with overkill calculations

[primal plume]

Human. He awkwardly derails convos into asking for feet pics

[wind spruce]

Gonna brain burst some shit and do maths

[primal plume]

Kinda like what im doing right now

[rare arrow]

Let me know. I’m not home or I’d join you in testing

[wind spruce]

Was bout to say if u wanna join it'll be easier cos private game but all g

Will report findings

[rare arrow]

I’ll be home in an hour from work, then I’m down

[plucky flax]

Chugga could be best pals with Quentin Tarantino.

Feet guys are built different.

[lethal lagoon]

Imagine devoting your entire life to becoming one of the greatest directors to have ever lived just so you can make feet scenes with famous actresses

[plucky flax]

Stupid sexy toes.

[quasi junco]

every psyker I see is purgatus lol

and half don't use VS/CF either

[eager mantle]

That barbie scene. Everyone at the theater laughed.

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma is too bad purga is just so much better.

[zealous sun]

Do the dueling swords block bullets (not fully)? Sometimes i get an animation of the psyker holding up a hand while getting shot at.

[prime elk]

lol I’ve seen that too. Has to be a glitch

[zealous sun]

weird

[fair spruce]

grossly incandescent

[wind spruce]

aiming hard

[radiant frigate]

purgatus is heresy

[strong gulch]

Haven't tested in a few patches, but there was a time that riposte seemed apply to ranged attacks.

[plucky flax]

Should work on any attack now. I was just not sure about if it had icd.

But it doesn't so.

Super good. It's still preference to me between riposte and shred but it'll be more case and weapon dependant for me now.

[wind spruce]

riposte
https://outplayed.tv/media/aYmG8y

This was an hour ago

[radiant frigate]

apply to and apply by are an important distinction

which one was meant

[wind spruce]

My bad

I tested this aswell

It does not apply to ranged attacks anymore

[strong gulch]

I mean the riposte buff stays up for 6 seconds and has enough time to swap to your ranged weapon and get crit rate from riposte.

IDK if that still buff still applies or not.

sad

[wind spruce]

Yeah my bad misread that

[radiant frigate]

i think blessing buffs only apply when the respective weapon is out

[wind spruce]

There used to be some exceptions/bugs

[radiant frigate]

timer still continues but the buff is only active with the actual weapon out

yeah, some revolver-flavored nonsense, wasn't there

[wind spruce]

Hand cannon still works on ranged attacks pretty sure

Melee attacks***

[wind spruce]

Honestly riposte is my go to because of the mutant interaction. 20% more chance to one shot without hitting weakspot, particularly with a) mutant waves, b) trauma staff killing everything else meaning my sword is literally only for mutants and doggos

[rare arrow]

are any of the non -colum IAGs worth grabbing for gunker?

[plucky flax]

Time to play riposte fleshtearer knife on zealot.

[rare arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/so-close-gif-4027381408540723786

[wind spruce]

I am wrong. It does not apply to melee anymore

id rather have 3 SIXTY NINE base stats than more mobility ngl

[rare arrow]

how many rolls to brick it?

[wind spruce]

the agripinna seems aiiiight

[wind spruce]

1

[rare arrow]

you weren't wrong

[wind spruce]

lmfao

[rare arrow]

big oof

[wind spruce]

huge

[rare arrow]

throw that one away

[steep estuary]

How to turn mats into dockies lmao

[wind spruce]

i tried blazing spirit and surge once for memes... blazing spirit doesnt even proc on the second projectile

[rare arrow]

if only i didnt have 5m dockets.

[wind spruce]

meme build doesnt even work FML

[steep estuary]

oof godspeed

[radiant frigate]

and then wildfire is stupid on top of that

i wish things did what they say

that would be cool

[steep estuary]

Imagine

[rare arrow]

worth bricking too?

[steep estuary]

Damn if only the charge rate was higher

[rare arrow]

the last one was a very respectable roll.

[steep estuary]

True, very even spread

[rare arrow]

best if you dont look any farther into it

[wind spruce]

charge rate isnt THAT important on void

its 1.90-1.6

[rare arrow]

this is

probably

salvagable

[wind spruce]

so you're only losing 0.04 ish seconds on 66%

[steep estuary]

ACtually yeah

[wind spruce]

trauma its massively important

trauma its [2.50|1.00]

[steep estuary]

Trauma you want charge speed and blast radius yeah?

[rare arrow]

Yea didn't realize i had ran through my plasteel

so im gonna run some missions in a bit

[wind spruce]

those are the most important two yeah

then damage

then quell speed

@rare arrow are you trying to build surge or warp flurry/transfer peril?

[rare arrow]

probably nexus surge

but depending on last blessing may just go nexus/flurry

[wind spruce]

idk what to use

[rare arrow]

I think the surge is fun

so much more single target damage

[wind spruce]

yeah i agree

and its real good

You back from work?

Wanna test the scoreboard mods

[rare arrow]

Food first then ill be back

I need to check my mods too so i know which ones i currently have installed

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/rrmJgn

Something about that voidstrike hit desyncs the damage reports

[long wharf]

maybe the surge projectile isn't being counted?

[wind spruce]

It adds 500 damage to the top number that shouldnt be there

the health of the gunner is 1400

goes from 29.9k > 31.8 top number 31.4k bottom number

[sacred crane]

can i get opinions on my full psyker build

[long wharf]

what's your goal?

[sacred crane]

Honestly, protecting myself while still being able to do heavy damage

[long wharf]

why BB then?

BB isn't "heavy damage"

[wind spruce]

1. Get rid of kinetic flayer.
2. Get rid of mutant damage reduction on curios.
3. Get rid of blazing spirit on deimos.

Those are three must-dos, whatver your goal

[sacred crane]

So I can pick off big targets from a distance

[lethal lagoon]

Mutant damage o.O? Oh I thought you said add, holy my brain today.

[long wharf]

you have void, big miss not taking True Aim

[sacred crane]

Or just completely not engage with them at all

[long wharf]

you don't need either of the BB upgrade nodes to use BB for your intended purpose

which is to get the one-off targets that are hiding or while you hide behind cover

you're going to be more effective on anything you engage with your void staff over using BB

[sacred crane]

Im kinda confused on the kinetic flayer part because for me, being able to suddenly kill a crusher from a single light attack is neat

[long wharf]

the sole reason to use BB when you have void is for the specialists ducking into cover or running away

you aren't going to kill a crusher with a single light attack

a single BB isn't going to kill a crusher on heresy

[sacred crane]

Ik

[long wharf]

most often, you're going to see kinetic flayer proc on a mob

[wind spruce]

Look

rule of cool = take kinetic flayer

[long wharf]

a mob that you didn't fully kill with your light swing

[wind spruce]

but if u want to min max its shit

[long wharf]

don't ask for advice on "rule of cool" builds

[wind spruce]

^

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/not-bad-whatever-you-say-what-can-i-say-gif-20270454

[lethal lagoon]

I forgot after placing the L you can't do two Os, but then it would just be an "L", which isn't what I meant.

😖

[long wharf]

there's a red O you can use

or, to be really cool

[sacred crane]

Here is a more in depth things on my choices:
Deimos: Taking out single targets up close like ragers and ogryn enemies
Void: Crowds or large groups
BB: Being able to safely target enemies without worry
Shield: Fuck gunners, all my homies hate gunners
EP: i like fast brain bursts

[long wharf]

honestly, spending talent points on BB upgrades is a waste

[lethal lagoon]

[wind spruce]

i honestly like kinetic resonance for my trauma builds

taking out pesky specials quickly is noice

[long wharf]

and thinking you're going to using BB+EP just means you're either wasting a lot of time BBing things you shouldn't be, or you spend a majority of your time not taking advantage of having EP at all

[wind spruce]

but only if im taking shriek with all the CD reductions

[lethal lagoon]

my issue with KR is that you are encouraged to waste a flaming shriek at a sub-optimal time.

I only take it if I'm going full BB meme

[sacred crane]

I use my BBs mostly on elite enemies since they spawn VERY often, so being able to quickly kill a few with 0 peril + faster charging and from a safe distance is really neat, plus the charges dont do away when you kill them with EP BB

Or the occasional hound or trapper

[long wharf]

trust me, you think "kill quickly" with BB, and I'm telling you you'd kill multiple per shot with good aiming with void

the time it takes to charge up and use BB on a single elite is the time it takes to fully charge a void shot

[wind spruce]

yeah its defo a trap in that regard, but also with a ~23s base cooldown through passives and curios w/ psykinetics aura and warp charges its back in no time anyway

[long wharf]

on heresy, your BB stops killing elites in one use

and on the elites you still can (dreg shotgunners, for example), you can kill multiple with void in a single shot

[restive slate]

Yall think BB gonna get buffs in the future?

[long wharf]

and the ones you don't kill, you stagger so they aren't shooting at you or teammates

[sacred crane]

I would like to say: This never happens to me except on ogryns and mutants

[lethal lagoon]

I can't imagine why not, it could be forever though.

[wind spruce]

BB always one shots scab gunners and will kill dreg gunners with some peril and other source of damage

[long wharf]

and maulers?

ragers?

[sacred crane]

Plus, I'm tired of assail and smite, it makes it a literal snooze fest

[twin zephyr]

It's... mediocre.
To be clear, a good player can make anything work, and this is no exception. If you're having fun, then you do you. All I can give is advice using some metric of 'efficiency', compared to builds which optimize for survival or damage.

There are few major points here.

1. Horde Clear. You're lacking strong horde clear. Voidstrike is ok at it, but struggles when you get surrounded. This puts you in a position where you have to rely on the team to keep a safe space for you to cast, which is not a great situation. The deimos can help you reposition, just expect to spend a lot of time whittling down hordes. Something like an illisi, Assail, or smite, would help immensely.

2. Blazing spirit Force Sword. Blazing spirit only applies on crit AND the target survives. This means that a target needs to survive a crit from one of the hardest hitting single target melee weapons in the game, making it only meaningfully usable against bosses. Even creatures like mutants tend to get 1-shot by the deimos, that's its 'gimmick'.

3. Suboptimal talets.
   A. Kinetic Flayer is incredibly low value, most anything else on the tree would be a stronger pick.
   B. Wildfire doesn't quite work as most players expect. Even in soulblaze based builds, which this is not, you can expect it to have little to no effect. Spend your points elsewhere.
   C. True Aim, especially on voidstrike, is insanely good. Pick that up if you can.

[long wharf]

all I'm advocating for is for you to recognize the pointlessness of the two BB upgrades

holy wall of text, batman

this isn't reddit

break that shit up into conversation sized chunks, man

[sacred crane]

honestly i prefer the text wall because its sorted so i can read what he has to say

instead of going through many messages

[long wharf]

and as soon as more than one person starts posting walls of text, the channel becomes impossible to follow

[wind spruce]

yeah its shite against maulers and flak ragers. dreg rager it will oneshot with a few buffs

[lethal lagoon]

Skill issue

[sacred crane]

Then what should I trade off for:
Blazing spirit
Kinetic flayer
Wildfire

[long wharf]

sadge.

[lethal lagoon]

Also we need a SmugGryn

[long wharf]

I want a Smugpsyker

[potent echo]

Void Deimos is ok* at horde clear if you position well, but if you are standing under a waterfall, it's over

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker yelling "It's skill" while smite spamming, SmugPsyker

[sacred crane]

Deimos is meant for single target

[umbral helm]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[potent echo]

Yea but you can still use it in a horde

It's better than knife still

[long wharf]

that'd be great, make it happen

or a psyker holding up assail shards saying "skill issue"

because it can be taken multiple ways

[lethal lagoon]

The french female psyker does actually yell that A LOT on my EP smite runs

[umbral helm]

I think my favorite psyker/psyker interaction is one of the other ones venting at high peril and doing their insanity line, and the male seer going "well I'm glad someone's enjoying themselves"

[twin zephyr]

For blazing spirit, you have a couple good options.
Uncanny Strike is the premium right now. There are good arguments for others, like Unstable Power, shred, or riposte.

With the last 2 talents, True Aim is just too good to pass up here. The other talent point is really up to you. Perhaps a second toughness regen, would serve you well.

[lethal lagoon]

I love the insanity line letting everyone know I made a doodoo

[long wharf]

whenever my french psyker gasps at the warp pain, I always say into the mic "oh yeah, that's the good stuff"

[umbral helm]

the first time my friends heard that noise from my male seer one of them went "sir, that doesn't sound like you're in pain "

[agile geode]

is purgatus viable mixed with deimos?
looking to go into a soulblaze build with purgatus,
still trying to get decently rolled of each

[twin zephyr]

At the risk of being pedantic, "viable" is a really poor standard to use when looking into builds in this context. These missions can be beaten with anything, so everything is 'viable'. You'll see meme runs pop up here periodically, just because fun.

If you're looking for a general build guides and advice, then a great place to start is Pygex Psyker Atheneum, on steam. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

Less formally, deimos is generally a great match for purgatus. Purgatus handles hordes and CC. Deimos handles carapace and generally high HP targets. It's a great pairing.

[agile geode]

i see your point on using the word "viable"
would it be detrimental to my team if i were to use such a build then XD

and thanks for the link, will check it out ^_^

[radiant sleet]

I think deimos is very nice with purgatus especially if you have a certain blessing to boost the fire damage. I think it is uncanny strike that does this? But i am not certain.

[sweet whale]

The best build I've found so far, for me is this. With a recon las. and burn. I offhand a max block Deflector, which is used for hordes, plagueogres and the occasional witch.

[long wharf]

you lost me at recon las

[sweet whale]

It's working well.

Doing the same job as my vet, really. But more fun gameplay. Doom-Like.

[long wharf]

the sad thing is that you're doing a worse job than a vet with the same gun

[sweet whale]

Not a weird assumption to make. Considering the echo chamber. But it's still wrong.

[long wharf]

psyker chat is absolutely not an echo chamber

nice try.

the vet is going to crit more often than you with that gun

and use less ammo to do it

and have more ammo on top of it

[sweet whale]

Haven't been an issue.

[sacred crane]

If you're going for crits, I recommend destiny

[sweet whale]

I think people just haven't used it since it was nerfed. Or are too complacent with high passive defense. Because It still works good.

[sweet whale]

Which one is that?

Disrupt Destiny?

[sacred crane]

yah

[sweet whale]

I feel scriers gaze give soo much power when you need it. It melts anything large. Or big packs of nasty. When around 100% peril it's crazy.

You can also time the bursts to some degree. Picking off high hp stuff first.

Even when it's not up.

You can also disrupt gunner squads, without using ammo by shielding up and sliding over. Because you are just about immune to all damage when holding block.

Any big attack is a direct buff to damage and regen toughness.

[tulip kettle]

okay yes this is all true but hes saying why not DD instead of warp charges

i happen to be a warp charges on gunker enjoyer but most here arent and they have good reason for their PoV

[tawny pebble]

i think this applies to most +damage or +power blessings?

at least it should if the perks like +25% against (enemy type) work for it

[potent echo]

Uncanny definitely increases burn damage

It's crazy against bosses/crushers

[tawny pebble]

if i ever decide to abandon deflector because i get good enough at dodgesliding i'll swap it for that perhaps

[tulip kettle]

but hear me out on this

[tawny pebble]

(on my purg anyhow)

[tulip kettle]

deflector turns you into a titan from titanfall

[potent echo]

Until you run out of stamina

[tulip kettle]

and why would you ever give that up

no you use it with kinetic deflection

[tawny pebble]

until you run out of peril AND stamina

[tulip kettle]

then when high peril you shriek

shooting their bullets back at them

like in titanfall

[potent echo]

Shriek is the answer

The deflector isn't needed

[tulip kettle]

well it is or you cant catch the bullets and build peril

[tawny pebble]

deflector building peril can make the shriek hit a lot harder yeah

[sweet whale]

I feel charges give a more persistent damage buff, over the marked targets. Mainly because your team mates give them, rather than take them away.

[tawny pebble]

but if you're already high peril it's not an issue

[potent echo]

You can build peril by just playing

[tulip kettle]

valid response

just so you are aware, the CD reduction has no function with scriers

[tawny pebble]

the more you know

[tulip kettle]

i hate DD because its buggy and shit and my team mates kill the blue dudes

id rather get dmg amp and peril resistance from charges

but DD is technically better for most gunker builds

higher max dmg output

[tawny pebble]

assuming your allies are actually being allies and letting you kill the marked boys

[tulip kettle]

and yeah dudes this is true, but without kinetic deflector and deflector and shriek, you arent being a titan from titanfall

and then why even live

they cant tell who the blue dude is btw

[tawny pebble]

ah extra useful

[tulip kettle]

its not like BB or assail where it marks them

[sweet whale]

I can't help but shoot anything that lights up in a match, and I won't fault others for doing the same.

[tulip kettle]

it also sometimes just doesnt work etc

[tawny pebble]

i don't usually run DD so it's not an issue for me, haha.

[tulip kettle]

but assuming one day they change it so it marks one enemy every second, without capping at 1 total marked, it will then become very good

[tawny pebble]

lol that could light up a map very quickly

fuckin' griswold psyker

[tulip kettle]

well no, because they get unmarked after a certain distance

already

and a certain time

[tawny pebble]

yeah, i'm aware, just making light

[tulip kettle]

🙂

[sweet whale]

Could last three seconds. Or something. Making it max three at a time.

[tulip kettle]

just make it 30

it really wonmt be a problem

just means you can actually get max stacks and reach it in a horde etc

[rare arrow]

we can make it work

[tulip kettle]

we can rebuild him

we have the technology

[tawny pebble]

i can fix her

[tulip kettle]

you going nexus surge or flurry transfer or some other thing?

to me thats PRIME flurry transfer staff

change nexus to transfer, then you want to pick up flak for one perk

[rare arrow]

nexus surge

[tulip kettle]

hmmmm

[rare arrow]

I'm not a huge transfer fan

[tulip kettle]

its only good with battle med for sure

[rare arrow]

I mean that staff is also just fine as nexus flurry

[tulip kettle]

it for sure is!

missing that crucial lvl 4 nexus

those 2 points of crit chance are gonna break your build

from god like to only fine ;p

[rare arrow]

it's only ~2% crit it's still ok

lots of surge procs will be coming from true aim

[oak sparrow]

heyo! I'm a newbie to psyker and tried to look up some help psyker build thread, but it's a little... unfocused, if I want to run Scrier's Gaze with an Assault Rifle, any recommendations as to what to take?

[rare arrow]

if the perks weren't so bad i could reroll nexus to 4 lol

[sacred crane]

salvagable or no?

[tulip kettle]

its dine harley

fine*

not perfect but still good

what did you want it for?

[sacred crane]

i wanna add deflector on it

but idk if its worth it

[tulip kettle]

okay well definitely dont do that haha

well ofc you can

what i mean is, what do you use deimos for?

i like it because it can 1 shot mutants and does great damage to crushers and maulers

obviously what you want to use it for will change what you need to do

[sacred crane]

like taking out anything that isnt cannon fodder or to block gunners

[tulip kettle]

okay so, executor is probably not good then

unstable is better to give you more consistent power gain, just be high peril when you pull out the sword

so change executor for deflector

[sacred crane]

what about perks

[tulip kettle]

you need maniac on it

[sacred crane]

also is this still good, idk because the first target is horrid

[tulip kettle]

ideally you want maniac and carapace

no thats trash

[rare arrow]

^

[tulip kettle]

warp res and to a lesser extent mobility are the dump stats

[rare arrow]

Damage, finesse and first target are too important on your one shot weapon

[tulip kettle]

you really want 77+ on damage finesse and first

what lucian said

maniac will let you 1 hit the mutants on damnation

and also boosts dmg vs ragers, flamers etc

carapace will make you much stronger vs crushers and maulers, which you are already lacking on this due to no uncanny strike

[sacred crane]

Should I switch it out for elite or unyielding damage'

[tulip kettle]

thats your choice dude

i would see how close i am to 1 shotting ragers without maniac

then if i can 1 shot them with maniac and without + elites, i would keep unyield

if i need + elite and + maniac to kill em then i would keep elite

and by 1 shot

im paraphrasing something more complicated than that

[sacred crane]

also it feels like my old swor is better than my current one

[rare arrow]

I havent given the deimos a fair try

DS4 too good

[sacred crane]

my current one

[rare arrow]

Though if I was going to this would be my next

[tulip kettle]

very nice

well dude ofc your current ones are better

they have +25 maniac on them

and + flak

instead of 8% elites

[sacred crane]

No I mean I feel my old one is better

[tulip kettle]

the ones you showed?

with flak and maniac on?

[sacred crane]

my old one and current one

[tulip kettle]

thats just because its hitting more crits

[sacred crane]

simply because it has riposte

[tulip kettle]

its definitel;y "worse"

blazing spirit is a dead blessing

so the second one is effectively purple

not really fair comparison

basically, deimos is not for horde clear

its for killing mutants, maulers, crushers and ragers quickly and safely

[sacred crane]

Tbh when I was leveling my current one, I didnt really care about blessings as long as I got deflector and maniac + flak

[restive egret]

psikinetic's wrath doesn't seem to push as much as it did, am i doing something wrong? (trying to get cliffhanger)

[tulip kettle]

it is basically the same as the DS4 but with worse mobility and a special attack

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt push much

use a force sword

stand in the MIDDLE of the gangway on ascension riser

holding block, let them build around you

force push one way shriek in the other

done

[restive egret]

ok will try ty

[tulip kettle]

force sword push pushes very strong and far

[spice veldt]

venting shriek's stagger should be stronger the higher your peril is

[tulip kettle]

try to get a deimos with carapace, maniac, uncanny strike and unstable

you will discover the true power of the deimos

[zinc phoenix]

Bummer you got blazing spirit locked but it’s fine, it’s still a solid sword. Make sure to a light once and then hold the next heavy when you want to spear a mutie, that particular combo does a lot of damage

You’re honestly better off with the two damage perks you picked than you would be with most of the blessings and deflector is extremely good

[deep pine]

@near wyvern just getting into pysker as my second class. Came across your steam guide. Wow you put so much work into it, you clearly love this game very much. Thanks for all that info, it's immensely helpful. 🦸‍♂️

[sweet whale]

Same

[agile geode]

Vigil Station Oblivium. (Espionage).
at the end of the map you are defending a small room with tiny bridges.
you can stay inside the room at a window, look at the bridge and vent to push off everyone.
tho i still suggest getting on the bridge with them and look at an angle.
and use vent,, much bigger area, plenty of stagger for that bridge. go for high intensity (no shock troop) to make the hordes bigger if you want a guarantee to get enough on the bridge consistently.

recently went for this one myself, tried other maps, with force sword block push, nothing... this one, first attempt. multiple times i pushed off 10+ with venting in the same run

[peak grotto]

I got it at the end of the plague tree scanning mission

As you extract there are three bridges, two of which get blown up by the valk

Just past that there is a little ramp with a spawn door on it

Just turn around and wait for a horde to build, then shove them off

[agile geode]

could also work,

[agile geode]

finally got the suicide penance xD
(the easy map never came on rotation)
just the private penance and X amount of map completions

[urban hearth]

do i cop

[strong gulch]

You could buy it for unstable 4

[boreal crystal]

what does it mean that maccabian mk IV one shots mutants? is that with a heavy attack or something? is that actually true? seems like a lot of damage

[urban sandal]

there are a good amount of weapons that can one shot a mutant now with things like a heavy/special attack to the head

[bright yoke]

should I switch out my surge staff for one of these?

the one im using is the transcendent one

[urban sandal]

no

[bright yoke]

whats the dump stat for surge?

[urban sandal]

the one you're using now can be good if you change a couple things on it

[bright yoke]

what blessings?

and or perks

[urban sandal]

you could try upgrading the green one and seeing what comes of it but if you want to play it safe just stick with the current one

[bright yoke]

whats the ideal dump stat for it?

[urban sandal]

I'd say quell speed but that screenshot from the steam guide says crit bonus

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is peril heavy so quell spd is important

Of course, with peril edging, it doesn't have to be 80 or anything.

[urban sandal]

yeah I only use trauma so I'm not well versed in god rolling other staves

[lethal lagoon]

I personally wouldn't upgrade a Surge staff below 370, it's fairly balanced all things considered. Crit bonus has bad scaling though, so you can slightly ignore it.

[potent echo]

Used to be true until the rebuffed mutant hp

[bright yoke]

so crit is meh...

[lethal lagoon]

Crit bonus is meh

[potent echo]

Now it's still true but you need blessings and talents

[bright yoke]

ok good to know ill be on a loot out for a better surge staff

[lethal lagoon]

Personally, that third one is pretty good

[bright yoke]

on another notes, hows this void staff?

prob ass

[urban sandal]

could be better

[lethal lagoon]

Blast raidus is the dump and you want higher damage generally

[bright yoke]

lol the dmg 😢

[lethal lagoon]

That legendary surge you linked is pretty decent.

Barrage -> nexus, sprint -> flak

Unyielding isn't ideal, but I personally like it a lot on surge

Surge is "carefree" boss damage.

No aiming, no effort.

[urban sandal]

definitely the easiest staff to use

[bright yoke]

I realized I didnt have other surge staff blessing lol so I maxed some out...

ass lol

I max the other one out.

yay

at least I got nexus

[urban sandal]

swap barrage for that on your current staff

and the sprint efficiency for flak

and you're good

[bright yoke]

ideally I wish #psyker-class message had wrap furry

that wouldd have complimented the charge rate to make it better

[urban sandal]

[bright yoke]

lol

[lethal lagoon]

I personally think the unyielding staff is the best to use among all these

[twin hedge]

This is it, I reached endgame Dark Tide. I've sunken so much plasteel to roll Slaughterer on my force sword and still nothing.

[hearty oak]

Personally, I think it's mountain climbing to getting your 1 million kills and 1500 missions

[radiant sleet]

Nah endgame is brunts slot machine, I once spent 4 million dockets just to get a single deimos over 370

Hadron somehow did not completely brick it

[cosmic sigil]

I know that you can proce uncanny with assail if you quick swap. But if you have crucian on your revolver and 1 or 0 bullet left. Do you benefit from the crit blessing if you swap?

What kind of assailtech I am missing?

[restive slate]

I just use assail to save ammo on my columnus haha

[sweet whale]

I really want to try a run n gun build.

Just won't drop.

[willow hazel]

No because Assail crits when it's thrown, not when it hits

but it works with blessings like Opening Salvo

[cosmic sigil]

sustained fire too i presu,e

[willow hazel]

and deadly accurate, if only all the deadly accurate guns were not ass

[cosmic sigil]

vraks are good

[restive slate]

What about Handcannon?

[cosmic sigil]

#psyker-class message

[thorn bronze]

what are the best vlessings for surge force staff

[restive slate]

Oooh

[cosmic sigil]

looking at pygex video i wonder how he quickswap to the desired weapon

from blitz it goes to melee first i think

@near wyvern how do you do that?

[willow hazel]

do you mean pressing 2 to equip the gun?

[cosmic sigil]

oh yeah i forgot there's 1 and 2

[valid scaffold]

Not really sure which one I should stick with here. I dont have Surge so I would need to rip it off the first staff to put on the latter. Should I stick Surge on the 376?

[lethal lagoon]

Void is a low peril staff and having free perk slots would be too hard for me to pass up, so I'd use the first but keep both just in case.

Alternativly if you go all in on the 2nd, there's no going back.

[valid scaffold]

I might just mess with the first one for a bit before deciding. Not sure how much that warp res hurts at the end of the day

I just want Melk to have one in the shop 😭

[cosmic sigil]

ok i discovered the following

once i gain stacks of headhunter, it stays up as long as i am assailing

[near wyvern]

But it is not active if you don't have ranged weapon out

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, just saw that

[near wyvern]

Things like deadly accurate, opening salvo, sustained fire are super useful for weaving with assail

Blessing are only active when the weapon is out so headhunter and crucian roulette cannot be used to boost assails since crits are rolled on the attack/cast release not on impact

[patent jacinth]

You used to be able to use crucian with assail

[cosmic sigil]

dumdum can be used as well?

[near wyvern]

Yes but the 30m ish range applies

[near wyvern]

You used to be able to use hand cannon while not having the weapon out with assail, now you gotta switch into the revolver while shards are flying

[umbral helm]

buffs applying to projectiles in flight is always an interesting gimmick to play around

also to balance around, but for different reasons

[cosmic sigil]

i wonder if it works with ghost then

and no respite hmmmmmmm

[near wyvern]

To be precise, damage is calculated at the time of impact with the buffs and things that are active at that time point

[near wyvern]

Should do

Only some melee weapon blessings don't really trigger

Like you can't stack Slaughterer with Assails but they do get boosted by it

[radiant frigate]

what about uncanny strike

[cosmic sigil]

ghost proces

[plucky flax]

1.2k kills and only 557k damage with oven proof.

[jagged cedar]

holy smokes

[cosmic sigil]

no?

[cosmic sigil]

yeah it works

[plucky flax]

Ovenproof damage is below. It has some problem with blaze trauma calculation I think.

[summer prairie]

I still haven't had any low dmg ovenproof runs like that with trauma

Still maintain it's some server/console log issue

[plucky flax]

Because if I used another weapon like surge staff and has 1.2k+ kills.

I'd be getting 600k or 700k+ easily even with ovenproof.

[summer prairie]

like you also get high dmg with trauma most of the time

and the base scoreboard is probably also "undercounting" your damage here as the differential is pretty typical

if you know anyone on that team ask what their scoreboard reported for you

[plucky flax]

700k with 1k kills using surge staff

[radiant frigate]

do you usually use ranged as your main weapon? general question

[jagged cedar]

I usually use ranged for specialists and disables adn melee for anything else when its useful

[plucky flax]

When I play psyker I rarely use melee weapon.

[radiant frigate]

sad

[plucky flax]

Although I do use it a bit more with illisi surge smite.

As illisi is very good horde clear.

[radiant frigate]

illisi is good anything-smaller-than-a-crusher clear

[summer prairie]

https://github.com/OvenProofMars/Power_DI

Beta

[plucky flax]

That plugin is too deep.

[summer prairie]

Sadly sounds like he isn't going to update the other one

[sacred crane]

should i remove perilous combustion

[plucky flax]

I don't need a full detailed breakdown that takes like 10s to make sense of the numbers.

[ornate hamlet]

I want a scoreboard that I can understand mid-match so I can feel good about myself now

Not later

I don't care about feeling good later

Fuck's sake

[radiant frigate]

do you have other sources of funny burn

or just that

[radiant frigate]

feeling good later is a concern for future you

Real

[sacred crane]

just that

[radiant frigate]

no shriek? skip it then

3 stacks hardly do anything

unless you can cause a chain reaction

[ornate hamlet]

Maybe I'll have a heart attack a minute from now

[radiant frigate]

that sounds like something a silly bugger would say

[idle bay]

A simple kill counter mod - makes you feel good in a moment 🙂 Pure and simple

[plucky flax]

There is a kill counter mod.

But it's pretty intrusive.

[ornate hamlet]

Now you watch your mouth

[radiant frigate]

i said what i said

no takesies backsies

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-slap-kat-slap-slap-cat-cate-gif-7906458944533086715

[tame venture]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-tone-watch-your-tone-watch-your-gif-24091847

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/boing-cat-jump-cute-gif-17312165

[ornate hamlet]

pounces on u

[quartz barn]

Assassin rat moment

[hearty dagger]

So i was making coffee and had an idea

What if they merged Disrupt Destiny with Scier's Gaze since to be fair you only really use those two together and introduced a new Pskyer keystone?

Could make one called The Coven since they were referenced in some of the Psyker material before the game launched.

Could have it be like less peril per ally in coherency, allies in coherency regenerate half the toughness you regenerate, etc.

[cosmic sigil]

i use dd with other ults too

[hearty dagger]

Fair enough but to be fair it works best with Scrier's

[wind spruce]

Can you not just move the kill counter with custom HUD? I haven't used the counter mod to know myself

[plucky flax]

Not sure tbh.

But all the numbers popping up would distract me.

I am speed running adding people to my block list.

[sacred crane]

8/10, very great distance and landing, not enough "pazaz"

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/backflip-cat-backflip-cat-cute-gif-26462939

[sacred crane]

10/10

[edgy pulsar]

how the actual heck do i even get the "knock enemies off a cliff" penance for the psyker?

[radiant frigate]

find a cliff, find enemies to set in front of cliff, press f

[edgy pulsar]

the trauma staff just blows them to bits, and my shoves seem too weak

ah right, that doesn't seem to work well. usually just one or two fall past, the others just get staggered. is the push force proportional to my peril?

[radiant frigate]

yes

[edgy pulsar]

roger.

[radiant frigate]

you may wish to follow up with force sword pushes

[edgy pulsar]

i might be a weirdo but i really don't like the force swords, like, at all.

the push attack doesn't feel comfortable to me, it's very easy to trigger it by mistake for me, and i can't see what's going on while i'm blocking. but you're saying the push is good?

[near wyvern]

There is a mod to remove the force visual, highly recommend

Yeah the push has like 10-15m range

And always counts as a weakspot hit

You can tell a crusher to sit down

[edgy pulsar]

also maybe you can enlighten me, but what is the point of the first force sword you get? i forget its name... Deimos Mk 2? the most regular-looking one.

i feel like the second one, the arrowhead-looking one, just does the same thing but better

[midnight epoch]

which perk should I change? Does weak spot do anything at all on trauma?

[edgy pulsar]

my immediate thought is that the weakspot damage only could trigger on the regular attacks, not the floor blast.

and are you really gonna go around sniping heads with a non-hitscan projectile shot?

[midnight epoch]

very unlikely, but I was hoping I was wrong lol, cause the other perk isn't the greatest either

[edgy pulsar]

well i mean, at least that's sort of within the wheelhouse of the trauma staves, since it's good for blasting hordes, no?

might make it easier to kill a few extra that're on the edge of the blast radius. maybe

[midnight epoch]

I guess it would let me kill hordes with a lesser charge blast

[untold niche]

if thats your problem i suggest rebinding it
Personally i rebind reload to spacebar so i can quell and slide comfortably (jump goes to R. in DT you don't need to jump to the side)

[edgy pulsar]

rebinding what, the attack button?

[untold niche]

oh shit i read that wrongly.
But uh, iirc isn't there a dedicated button for PA?

[edgy pulsar]

might be.

[midnight epoch]

is there? because my power sword 6 combo would really really like a dedicated button

[untold niche]

as for this i got this using venting shriek iirc

or

or

you could just play the map

[edgy pulsar]

i swear OSHA must still exist with how many handrails there are

[untold niche]

where the level 2 has 4 tiny metal bridges

and no handrail

[midnight epoch]

there was a vid that someone showed that smiting mobs as they jumped down off a higher ground got that penance lol

[edgy pulsar]

so like, what, killing them or just smiting them?

[midnight epoch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/197l8us/you_can_get_cliffhanger_penance_with_smite/

looks like he kills

[edgy pulsar]

i never used smite, mostly because i don't trust my teammates to take advantage of it

[plucky flax]

I only spam smite.

https://youtu.be/b657tHKOPcQ

[stuck sinew]

Oh yeah that particular spot is silly for ledge kills of any kind

I shot a rumbler up there with ogryn once and randomly got like 8 mauler kills

[midnight jolt]

Question, is toughness regen speed useless for us now? do I put 1 or 2 or just nada?

[radiant frigate]

there is a mod for you, clean force blocking or somesuch is the name

allows you to See A Damn Thing™ with your Mk I Eyeball even when blocking

potentially useful

[edgy pulsar]

so, Assail. gud or bad?

[stuck sinew]

It's alright

[dapper shadow]

why use assail if you can use LMB

[edgy pulsar]

assail feels pretty strong. does it hold up on damnation?

[stuck sinew]

Sometimes you just want to turn off your brain and look for plasteel

[dapper shadow]

afaik its pretty okay but it can't deal with carapace

My brain doesn't turn on when playing LMB though

[edgy pulsar]

well of course not carapace that'd be ludicrous

[stuck sinew]

It's great against things like shotgunner/gunner/rager packs

[edgy pulsar]

does it actually home in on targets you cannot see, or do you need to be able to see them?

[plucky flax]

Yes very good.

[dapper shadow]

I want an assail main build

[edgy pulsar]

honestly if i see a psyker yeeting assail at a group i just ignore the group. i know that blob is about to die

[plucky flax]

I use assail 80% of a map and do crazy ass damage.

[half iron]

i embraced ass fail finally

[urban sandal]

and some would have you believe assail sucks ass since they nerfed the cooldown

[dapper shadow]

is it good against monstrosities though because I've actually never used it much

[half iron]

love it because it works

[stuck sinew]

No

[plucky flax]

No it won't be good against monsters.

[dapper shadow]

sad

[urban sandal]

it's not good against bosses or carapace

[edgy pulsar]

i genuinely don't want to use staves for groups anymore because teehee homing shards go chunk

[plucky flax]

You can use gun or knife/ds4 for that.

[half iron]

i use it as a cute little gunker

ass fail is a handful of my little pocket veterans

[stuck sinew]

I use it with a gun but where the gun is a backup for when I run out of shards/reach high peril

[edgy pulsar]

i use that single shot autogun with assail, to snipe the... fate... highlighted ones, yes

[half iron]

i hate blue people

[edgy pulsar]

it genuinely makes sniping so much easier because it lights up the target like a christmas tree.

[stone canyon]

Surge Staff with Warp Nexus and Warp Flurry, wish i could just sacrifice and get both, have neither yet

[zenith vigil]

finally get nexus 4. thanks mr melk! 😭

hadron took over 25k plasteel from me and only give me nexus 3

now that I have blazing spirit and nexus, what else should I change on this staff?

[plucky flax]

Flak over groaners.

Or find a better staff

[zenith vigil]

what would be better? 😄

[plucky flax]

Same blessing with crit chance and flak for perks. All 3 damage stats at 80%. Warp resistance 60 something, and as high quell speed as you can manage.

[zenith vigil]

that sounds like impossible 😂

[plucky flax]

Yes.

Mine is very close to perfect. About 95% there.

So it's somewhat possible.

[umbral helm]

eternally chasing the void dragon with weapon rolls

[untold niche]

i think void is alright

im prob never farming trauma tho :p
the time needed to grind prob wouldn't match the time i would have fun with it

my psyker is +40 rn and im bored already so im going back to zeal

[radiant frigate]

zealot does not tickle me

[upper sun]

-play stocktrooper gauntlet t3
-get erased 2 minutes in
-restart the same mission
-team new team
-aoe of death around us
-zero deaths no one loses more than one wound of health
-team kills mutants dogs and trappers as soon as i stun them

such is the life of a psyker in the imperium

[untold niche]

i never played any histg below a5

i think you will have a better time in normal damn

[upper sun]

nah theyre fine i usually do t4 low inten max if i solo queue

[untold niche]

if you have a good build 5 should be quite easy for you

as you could see in my name

[upper sun]

ah yeah about all of my stuff is like 1 perk/blessing away from being good

[untold niche]

you could share your talent tree here as well

maybe you pick something that isn't good

[upper sun]

venting assail and middle bottom tree

[untold niche]

nah the whole tree as a screenshot, you can use this site

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[upper sun]

lemme run the game

[untold niche]

there are some useless nodes ( they dont do what they advertise) so could be a build problem

[upper sun]

ah really?

[untold niche]

this is a general guide i made asking alot of questions

orange is majority agreed but debatable

[untold niche]

please use this site instead, and then use windows key + s to take a snip and control v here.

the ingame one is too big for one screenshot

[upper sun]

i know how to take screenshots man

but yeah the game is still launching

[untold niche]

i seen people take pictures of their monitors on PC :p

[upper sun]

young people smh

i remember the good o'l days of using puush to take screenshots

ok for some reason nvidia is refusing to launch my game

[radiant frigate]

i just had one of these "death zone" games

it is always so strange to see

comrade surge-assail and plasma vet were blowing everything to hell

[upper sun]

tbh i should be using BB but i'm really bad with it and i cant aim so assail is the logical choice

[radiant frigate]

i mostly just use BB on crushers/bosses

[upper sun]

i just use it for clear and snipers

[deep pine]

I'm trying out a voidstrike build and keep brain bursting myself...I seem to never notice when I'm going to overload...any tips beside stop sucking? 😄

[burnt hull]

Well

[upper sun]

venting shriek

[burnt hull]

take venting shriel and save ourself

^^

[upper sun]

you can use it mid animation and it stops you from dying

[burnt hull]

yes

[outer vessel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b1d3e52-008b-4f2b-abf4-7a52f668941a

[deep pine]

haha yeah well actually I leveled up with shriek and I think that is what made me suck

[burnt hull]

you can use while you see your character put his hands around his head

like you're almost explosing, hit it, it works

else, just experience I'd say

[deep pine]

yeah I crutched on this hard before, trying to play bubble now.

[outer vessel]

Vent is not a crutch tbh

[burnt hull]

I guess I use my preipheral vision or something but I can sense reliably when I'm at 90%+ without looking explicitely at the UI

[outer vessel]

it's a very good ability

[burnt hull]

Maybe it's the rythm, nmber of cast, not sure

[deep pine]

as far as learning to manage the peril mechanic it was a crutch for me.

[burnt hull]

I still explode sometimes but not so much

[potent echo]

It's a crutch for the entire team because one psyker can carry with it

[outer vessel]

You'll never blow yourself if you remember that you can still cast at 100 if you already charged it up prior to it hitting 100

just never ever cast again while at 100, that's when you blow up

after that, just abuse vent shriek for loads of extra soul blaze damage, peril reduction, and faster charge time

especially with it being on the left side lets you grab the elite/special ability cooldown reduction node, so you get shrieks back incredibly fast as is

[potent echo]

I mainly run WC shriek with my purg build and it's so brainless

[radiant frigate]

i would still argue in favor of shriek

simply because it kills things

[outer vessel]

Purg is brainless in general and still way more effective at group clear than assail is

[radiant frigate]

but obviously you do what you want

[outer vessel]

Shriek not only kills, but can stagger enemies from a completely different continent

[potent echo]

Purg kills everything, only need to work your braincell to kill crushers and bosses

[outer vessel]

When you start fucking around with it, you can start getting a really good feel for just how incredibly long the range on it is

[radiant frigate]

bubble is also awful vs anything that can threaten you o

in melee*

[outer vessel]

Just don't suck at melee, tbh

bubble turns into a thunderdome for your team

[potent echo]

Bubble really shines if the team doesn't know what cover is

[radiant frigate]

oh joy, some toughness regen - unfortunately there are still 8 ragers in your face

[plush oak]

Use catachan blade and spam parry

Ez

[outer vessel]

why are there 8 ragers in your face?

[radiant frigate]

because rager waves do that sometimes

[potent echo]

Spam parry vs crushers horde. Yea, that will teach them....!

[outer vessel]

youre a psyker, they should have been dead long before they reach you

and even if they do, almost every staff in the game staggers them with so much as a fart from some of their RMBS

[radiant frigate]

you and i play very different psykers, i believe

[potent echo]

Still won't take dome though, unless I want to gimp myself

Game too easy sometimes

[outer vessel]

I duel rager waves solo with trauma staff, and even at high peril, alt attack from ds staggers them out of their combos

[potent echo]

Trauma 🙄

[outer vessel]

Tho tbh, thank god for the long dodge distance on ds sometimes lol

[potent echo]

Trauma is equally braindead lol

[outer vessel]

hey, it's literally brain burst's best friend

Yes it is

but it's really cool, so

[deep pine]

is this worth it? I only lv 31 and don't really have any good melee wep

[potent echo]

Why would you use anything but a deimos

Unless you want variety

[outer vessel]

Because ds IV is just a better deimos

[deep pine]

yeah I mean more the cost for a 323 weapon

[potent echo]

Deimos is better

[radiant frigate]

because with deimos i have to depend on other things for horde clear

[outer vessel]

But it's not as cool since it's a warp sword, and ds is not

[upper sun]

sorry took so long game decided to take forever to run

[radiant frigate]

personally disagree with the +health curios

[deep pine]

I should but it you guys think?

I have almost 9k melk bucks

or wait for better

[radiant frigate]

i would skip

not fantastic overall level and no t4 blessings

[outer vessel]

You can drop a health curio for toughness

Or a stam one

[deep pine]

yeah right call I feel

[upper sun]

i have like 7 gold curios i didnt really do much to build them

[outer vessel]

I run stam +3, toughness and health and it gives some pretty solid returns for their value

[upper sun]

yeah i still have to actually find a stam3 curio

theyre so rare

i have a fake+3 stamina curio but idk if i wanna waste resources on leveling it

[outer vessel]

Been running this build for a while now, and there's really nothing I feel is worth moving around anymore. It's turned psyker into a kill farm sim

Can swap out ds for deimos with unyielding if you want more upfront boss damage

[mental rock]

No KD

[upper sun]

i have never came across any remotely usable dueling swords

[radiant frigate]

dueling sword without kinetic deflection sounds uh

like an idea

[outer vessel]

Ds doesn't role with deflection

youre thinking warp swords

[mental rock]

No

[upper sun]

no i didnt mean that

[mental rock]

Kinetic deflection

The talent

[radiant frigate]

the talent

Yes

[outer vessel]

Oh that

I don't need it

Nothing gets close enough that I have to block that often

If something is meleeing me enough it breaks my stam, I quite literally deserve to die for throwing that badly

[radiant frigate]

what if you need to go for a res

i would run it purely for that, if nothing else

[outer vessel]

Half-charge trauma for kd, and pick them up

[mental rock]

Also nice for kiting bosses

[outer vessel]

dodge is good enough

[mental rock]

Well sure but if there are other threats you could just run out of dodges

[outer vessel]

Don't run out

[mental rock]

I've had 4 bosses spawn in the first room of a maelstrom one after the other

[outer vessel]

Abusing slide helps a lot to reduce burning too many dodges

[mental rock]

No KD is death

[outer vessel]

That's a very niche scenario

[radiant frigate]

i am not a fan of slides

[outer vessel]

I am

[radiant frigate]

it is what it is

[outer vessel]

I use them like, almost the entire match, it's a mobility tool

[upper sun]

slide goes hard

[radiant frigate]

yeah but it is silly that it is

[outer vessel]

plus its how you move to deal with gunfire during horde fights, or to get out of a poor position where youre exposed to gunfire

[radiant frigate]

exactly how powerful are your legs if you can stand up so quickly after throwing yourself to the ground

i know why you do it, and why it's good

[midnight epoch]

anything I should change here? I'm trying out force swords now but I have no idea what perks/blessings I should be aiming for (aside from deflector). Is it different for illisi vs deimos as well?

[radiant frigate]

but it makes no logical sense if you think about it

[outer vessel]

Logic doesn't stop me from using the tools that make me live longer than most players

[upper sun]

damn nice

[outer vessel]

That's a very solid force sword

I'd put flak and maniac on the perk slots, since illisi is good for hordes

[vestal fulcrum]

I’d say the blessings are fine, if you are fine with having a sword with Deflector

[radiant frigate]

i know it works, but it is silly that it does

[outer vessel]

It is silly

[midnight epoch]

is there a reason I shouldn't run deflector? I thought that was the whole point of force swords

[outer vessel]

but blame fartshark for not offering other common tools to deal with being shot at besides a box or turning the floor into a slip and slide

[outer vessel]

It's not a bad blessing

it depends on how much you think you'll need it to deal with gunners

[upper sun]

this is mine prolly gonna chance out deflector tho

[outer vessel]

if you think you're the kind of player who struggles with them out in the open, it's good to have it, and the extra block cost reduction is nice on illisi

again, it's the defacto force sword for hordes, so that is nice you can block more often

but after a while, you may not feel like you need the blessing and want something like executor or slaughter for more power

[radiant frigate]

yes, murder

i am a fan of uncanny/slaughterer

[hot zephyr]

The extra block cost reduction only works vs ranged attacks

[upper sun]

yeah i wanted slaughter

but i dont have it unlocked

[outer vessel]

take it for what it is

[radiant frigate]

really now

[upper sun]

it had the 4% quell on hit before that which is a useless blessing

[outer vessel]

nothing more annoying than being shot at through a massive horde by some dicksnot gunner pelting you with gunfire

[midnight epoch]

hmm If I wanted the option for that later, which one perk should I change for damage, weak spot or specialist?

[outer vessel]

Weakspot is dogshit

[mental rock]

Weak spot for sure

[native jungle]

Anyone help a noob out? do some attacks (like the heavy chain axe attack from maulers) break your block

[outer vessel]

keep specialist in that scenario

[midnight epoch]

oh, ok thanks

[hot zephyr]

Yeah. This is another one of those things the wording looks like should work, but if you read the Lua code from the game the variable is actually called something like ranged block reduction modifier or something

[outer vessel]

they are unblockable

[upper sun]

yeah i agree but the other blessing was even worse

[outer vessel]

overheads from maulers and crushers go right through your block

[native jungle]

thanks

[radiant frigate]

i love when fatshark tells us how things actually work and doesn't omit important details!!!

[upper sun]

you should just avoid crushers if you have an illisi sword

with a demos sure go for it

[radiant frigate]

i love when things are needlessly complex for no apparent reason!

[outer vessel]

You can duel one with an illisi

especially if you have uncanny

[upper sun]

yeahhh also dont have uncanny unlocked

[outer vessel]

But as a psyker, you have way better tools to deal with crushers

[radiant frigate]

this is why uncanny is autoinclude for me whenever it is an option

• armored horde heads because heho

[upper sun]

true i usually just cc them with the staff and hope my team deals with them

[outer vessel]

They made it a chase blessing for sure

armor strip in this game is almost imperative

you realize how good armor pen is when you use weapons that don't have any form of it

[upper sun]

caraprance is so annoying if you dont have a void staff or a deimos

[outer vessel]

you do absolutely dogshit damage without them

I fucked around with a catachan just out of curiosity and you do such little damage to armored units, it's pitiful

[upper sun]

but also blessing problems im not gonna bother with a void staff until i get surge

[outer vessel]

surge isn't a real blessing

until I get it myself, I assume everyone photoshops into onto their staves

[upper sun]

[radiant frigate]

catachan is fun until you hit a 3k health target for 50 damage at a time

[outer vessel]

then it is immediately no longer any fun

[mental rock]

Surge on void surge on trauma

[radiant frigate]

then you crave death

[untold niche]

tae, is it good to run surge with ep assail?

i never seen that combo

[hot zephyr]

I'm confused. I fight crushers with a mark 6 all the time. Yes the lights do nothing but heavies do like 2k when you Crit, and you Crit like crazy

[upper sun]

this is my void its not great tbh

[outer vessel]

Also why is surge a thing for trauma

[radiant frigate]

for the tiny pew pews

[outer vessel]

it would be really cool if you could get double RMB charges, but it does not work that way at all

but the lmb is literally just a pocket pistol to suppress a gunner lol

[untold niche]

actually do you want assail?

[outer vessel]

Sure, why not

assail is good for hordes

[upper sun]

yeah if you want a supress thats easier to aim surge might be better

[outer vessel]

surge is not

[upper sun]

surge the staff not the blessing

[outer vessel]

surge is good to delete something you dont wanna look at anymore

but only like 1 or 2 targets at a time

[upper sun]

yeah

idk i do better with it than truama

[outer vessel]

Trauma is my best friend

it's so good ❤️

[untold niche]

im not sure if its optimal to run surge staff with assail but if thats what you must do this is what i would run instead

[upper sun]

ive seen gameplays of people destroying with trauma but i cant get the hang of it

[untold niche]

the venting augment is one wrong pick

[outer vessel]

Nothing funnier than NASA launching trapper torsos into the stratosphere with a trauma crit

[outer vessel]

not

that augment is what makes vent really nice to use

[untold niche]

huh? he took the damage augment

[outer vessel]

wildfire?

[upper sun]

im not a big soulblaze guy tbh

[untold niche]

^

[outer vessel]

ohhh

yeah no

that augment is ass

soulblaze is infinitely better

[untold niche]

have you tried using venting shriek on that augment in psk on zombies?

basically doesnt kill them.
Doesn't even kill zombies

[upper sun]

yeah its not much damage i know

[outer vessel]

it does absolutely no damage

[untold niche]

please read carefully next time '

[outer vessel]

so like

[upper sun]

but its better than nothing

[outer vessel]

dont use it

[untold niche]

wildfire kills the zombies

[outer vessel]

youre literally wasting a point

[untold niche]

this is what i meant by "wrong picks"

[outer vessel]

no thanks

I prefer being wrong and realizing later

[untold niche]

at the expense of others :v

[outer vessel]

Yes sir

[subtle linden]

Drop vent augment pick up toughness regen on quell or anything else

[outer vessel]

[outer vessel]

this

[severe folio]

drop vent augment ?

[outer vessel]

you may as well drop it if you don't want to use soulblaze, get some extra defense

[subtle linden]

Both augments for vent are trash

[severe folio]

both augment for vent are trash ?

[outer vessel]

disagree, soulblaze is a good

6 stacks of soulblaze melts a horde by itself

[subtle linden]

If ur doing a soulblaze build yeh

[upper sun]

yeah ok im gonna try going into soulblaze with wildfire

[outer vessel]

and that is not hard to pull off at all

[severe folio]

what kind of build you are making that you had to choose between vent augment and toughness on quell

what did you invest into that you cannot have both

[untold niche]

for reference you want to be at 83.3% peril @upper sun

[zinc phoenix]

it takes about a month of regular gameplay to get it down

[untold niche]

if i didnt mess up the numbers

[outer vessel]

Which is easy to reach with surge staff

[hot zephyr]

Because he's picking up assail and shriek it's expensive to cris cross the tree talent wise

[outer vessel]

surge stacks up peril pretty fast

[severe folio]

hmmmm

[untold niche]

purg purg purg

[zinc phoenix]

purgatus is bad

[severe folio]

i have assail with shriek too

[outer vessel]

varies from person to person

[upper sun]

takes a month to get a good staff too

[untold niche]

is it optimal to run ep assail with surge staff?

[severe folio]

i do not believe that i had to sacrifice either of the skill

[untold niche]

just feels weird for me, but i don't play surge so im not in a position to comment, so am curious

[upper sun]

also not optimal to run assail+illisi sword as well

[zinc phoenix]

im not sure it does. vast majority of psyker i see dont use trauma and the few that do use it badly

[upper sun]

you'd just end up with way too much clear

[outer vessel]

depending on the missions you run, that may not be a bad thing haha

[zinc phoenix]

ive gotten good enough at it that i can reliably perform but i had a lot of pain in the learning curve and sucked pretty hard with it at the start

trauma learning curve is easily highest for any weapon in the game

[hot zephyr]

You don't have to, but you run out of extra talent points very quickly.

[outer vessel]

sometimes the director wants to throw nothing but thick hordes at you constantly

[untold niche]

im asking because staffs generate peril, and assail does too.

[upper sun]

they really should make it an option to change the build before every mision

[outer vessel]

I don't understand

[untold niche]

i thought with new patch you can change loadout in the car?

[outer vessel]

just use build tabs, mate

[upper sun]

if you click quickplay you dont get a choice

[zinc phoenix]

blessed build tabs

[outer vessel]

loadouts are in the topright corner

[upper sun]

you can just be tossed into the mission

[latent stirrup]

Lol

[outer vessel]

that's different

quickplay is a literal roulette

but if you are deliberately picking missions, you can't use that excuse

but

[subtle linden]

i onlydo quickplay cuz it keeps it fun

[upper sun]

yeah ofc

[outer vessel]

why do that, when quickplay gives more rewards

[upper sun]

also more plas

[zinc phoenix]

getting the zero vis trait on a hi int damn with a lasgun equipped is total suffering

[untold niche]

@upper sun and its usually not worth giving up the pictured nodes for stat nodes.
hope this helps.