psyker-class

[jolly vale]

Ive seen an ogryn just face tank a DH until it just left

[radiant frigate]

thanks i hate it

[lethal lagoon]

Also yeah, they need to buff DHs

Need to be real threats on aurics

[jolly vale]

[rare arrow]

Need to buff from rewards

Tired of running those missions for nothing

I typed “grim” but phone hates me

[radiant frigate]

rather remove grims

[rare arrow]

But I’d also settle for a new currency for me AD missions that is used to increase stats of weapons

Though my dia suggestion is better imo

[radiant frigate]

disproportionately punishing non-ogryns

[rare arrow]

Grims are fine

[radiant frigate]

running on zero wounds because grim exists :yes:

[rare arrow]

I have play zealot and psyker exclusively and target grim missions for penances when I can

[radiant frigate]

i'm not going to start running curse resist on the off-chance that i queue into a grim mission

[rare arrow]

Grims are <51 % of your hp so even with no sound curios you have a safety net

You can have a single wound curio (or your pref) with grim res. Or just throw it on 1 piece if you’d like

Losing another item is negligible

Take 1 sniper damage res, 1 toughness heal fast, 1 grim res

[earnest laurel]

I dont know why people like voidstaff. After playing surge I just feel slow and clunky. Harder to slide around imo.

[rare arrow]

Also if you’re a zealot there is a skill that nullifies Grims

[rare arrow]

It is slower but it murder real good

[radiant frigate]

kills any type of target effectively

that is why

[rare arrow]

For movement use your melee weapon or blitz I suppose

[radiant frigate]

almost unlimited piercing

pinpoint accurate

big damage

[rare arrow]

Surge is more mobile and more CC but doesn’t kill as well.

Also, void = boss damage

[radiant frigate]

never thought it did particularly good boss damage

i just brain burst for that tbh

[earnest laurel]

I dont have surge, but I didnt see myself do massive boss damage tbh

[rare arrow]

1200 on crit, x2 for surge

I don’t have the psykharnum mod that lets me put anything in there anymore or if boot it up and do some tests

[stable remnant]

Rip off Destiny 2 and Warhammer 40K, name it Helldivers 2

[rare arrow]

Also, for BoN you throw 2 of those into a weakspot and you’re just throwing haymakers

5k bombs

[orchid shadow]

Although it doesn't stop the one shots, maybe triggering a DH should immediately corrupt 15% of your health per difficulty along with spawning an endless horde.

[rare arrow]

I like the destiny/division style of games

It’s why I’m hype for once human

[earnest laurel]

I just feel like the charge for it super slow

Maybe used to the fast charge blessing on my surge staff

[rare arrow]

Is your charge rate low

Ah maybe

[earnest laurel]

its 79%

[agile geode]

is cliffhanger even possible to do?
i was standing right in front of multiple ledges where trash mobs climb up, blasting them, and they merely stumble a step back, but dont fall off.
i was well withing kissing distance of them

[rare arrow]

It feels the same to me but I run warp nexus +flurry on everything

Except fire trauma, cause fire trauma

[radiant frigate]

2s-ish time for full charge

[stable remnant]

Thats The Finals meets Eldden Ring

[radiant frigate]

but in return, that full charge voidstrike will annhilate whatever you point it at

[stable remnant]

Wherever I go I see TYRANIDS

[brittle raptor]

on a Deimos, what are the blessings I should go for?

[earnest laurel]

I was just about to type that, there is a vid of it on yt btw

[radiant frigate]

imo, uncanny/slaughterer

just all-round very good blessings

[earnest laurel]

https://youtu.be/U1ecemABEzI?si=VX01yYK4WYaZra-7

[radiant frigate]

do get a second opinon though

[earnest laurel]

Also the teammate jumping off mid vid

true

[brittle raptor]

so what should I do with this? im pretty new to psyker

[earnest laurel]

change execturo and +20 to smth else, and its okay I guess. In my opinion. Not that great though

[brittle raptor]

alrighty

[radiant frigate]

what do you propose is better

[earnest laurel]

You think executor on it is good?

[agile geode]

already running venting shriek
shrieked first, then followed up by a force sword push right after to get as many as possible down, but no more than 5 max (had 5 beforehand) fell off, and there were many,,,

[earnest laurel]

I have 6/7 , and I havent even ever tried to do it , lol

[radiant frigate]

not particularly, but what do you mean by "not that great" if you have stamina (ok), another stat of your choice, a blessing of your choice, and t4 uncanny

[agile geode]

last time i actively tried to do it was back during beta, and right after release

will try. thanks for the tip

[earnest laurel]

Mobility could be like 70

How does shoot fast penance work?

Do you have to kill them mid attack?

[agile geode]

maybe later, gonan try to do it while hunting other penances as well ^_^
appreciate the offer tho!

[earnest laurel]

Why even bother with that penance? For the fashion or for completion? Because other cosmetics are easier to get, and better looking imo.

[agile geode]

completion, currently getting all penances for al lclasses (finished with vet and zealot) other than x amount of misions completed)

[earnest laurel]

Oh ok.

[queen fog]

Bravo for bothum, been having difficulty going on make every shot count runs myself cuz of my enjoying of ammo aura

I got the cliffhanger penace pretty nicely at the counter intel mission’s last section but there’s plenty of ledges to work with

[magic kayak]

damage is a dump stat right?

lol

I shall create a nerf bat build.

[queen fog]

Such a beautifully cursed blade

[mighty olive]

Ffff

[queen fog]

It’s like the warp itself shit it out

[marble crater]

I think you just need to kill them before they do anything, whenever you hear a hound just get ready to kill it with BB and you should get it eventually, without waiting for them to make a special move

[magic kayak]

I think some option to reroll modifiers need to be in the game

Would be cool if they had difficult missions where you get a chance to reforge a weapon or something

[gray pendant]

is purgatus, orb shield, and those magic darts a meta build?

I have encountered a couple of them today but they all seem to play really poor

struggling to deal with gunners and simultaneously not pressing F so they just cower in a corner and let people get shot up

[marble crater]

The build works in damnation at least

[wet belfry]

I find it hard to belive that assail would struggle with gunners so i doubt its the builds fault.

[gray pendant]

tbf it was multiple snipers, gunners, and a reaper

but instead of pressing F, he just sat there as the downed ogryn got melted as he sat in the corner throwing some darts

It seems like it would be a good build but idk im just malding

[midnight jolt]

should I get it for the blessings?

I'm tempted to even test it

nah, I was on the wrong section

gonna save my resources

[karmic reef]

For a crit psyker laspistol build with scriers, what heavy laspistol should I use?

The OG or the new one?

[feral verge]

they do about the same DPS

but the new one involves less clicking, making it easier to use

[flint plover]

This is pretty good, yeah? Melk bucks

[feral verge]

not particularly

caxe (combat axe) wants flak and maniac damage perks

and brutal momentum + headtaker/decimator

for blessings

[tawny pebble]

do y'all consider Bloodthirsty to be a useful tool?

i just got it on Deimos but that's the least useful force sword to put it on i surmise

[feral verge]

nope

not useful

especially on deimos

[tawny pebble]

fantastic

hadron you have bricked me once more

like, guaranteed crit chance sounds great on paper

but only for melee is limiting and having to refrain from attacking to pick your crit target is not ideal

[agile geode]

got cliffhanger (vigil station) just "out with a bang" left (and malleus)

[tawny pebble]

just finished Power Up here

[feral knoll]

So question. For Malefic Momentum. Even if I get a kill on a force sword. As long as it’s not the special it still procs?

[ornate hamlet]

Yes

[haughty star]

do yall run enfeeble on smite?

[mighty olive]

depends on the build, for my surge/smite build no, but for soulburn void/assail i do, i dunno why i do, but yeah lol

i dunno if it really makes that big a difference

maybe if you run EP smite like i do with voidstrike

[lethal lagoon]

Enfeeble doesn't work on right click

[primal plume]

is it me or does the bubble just "feel" better than the wall?

[ornate hamlet]

I wouldn't know, both annoyed me to death when I was trying to cast them

Bubble does have the benefit of nullifying ranged attacks inside of it, as well as regenerating toughness

[lethal lagoon]

I like the personal feel of slapping down a shield in strategic parts.

[proud pivot]

Kinda wish the wall had a longer placement distance

[lethal lagoon]

The toughness gen is hard to beat from a practicality standpoint though

[haughty star]

wait what

the right click charge on smite?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeppers!

[mighty olive]

oh god i didn't know that either, i wonder why? seems weird

[ornate hamlet]

Fatshark

[potent echo]

Enfeeble is the extra jumps?

[zinc phoenix]

Being able to block specials with the walls is honestly their most useful feature

[mighty olive]

the 10% base damage

[zinc phoenix]

Lmao

[lethal lagoon]

It would actually be a little wild if it worked. 10% base damage would be enough for an EP Smite -> Flaming shriek -> Contiune smiting chain to kill ragers.

Maybe.

Then again, you can technically do that now if you get a few BM pops, so meh

[brittle condor]

What are the best blessings on dueling sword iv

Where do I look?

[lethal lagoon]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[vocal cliff]

Everyday BON's become my 13th reason

And my 12th

And 11th

[olive ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYEqCLL7fY

[brittle condor]

Thank you

[lethal lagoon]

Btw, for perks on dueling sword IV, most people I've seen prefer manaics and carpace over unyielding.

[vocal cliff]

I can't use anything other than BB

I'm too addicted

[lethal lagoon]

I ran BB only builds during beta and afterwards.

Magitratti was my fav map because of that. There were many times where BB could kill long-range targets the team couldn't deal with.

[ornate hamlet]

I'mma be honest

I think I didn't even notice the difference against crushers without uncanny

Gamers, could the DS4 be wacky?

Right now I need to check if rampage and infested can one-shot the poxwalkers

I can't tell from the mess auric is

315 damage

I think I'll make a cara/unyielding DS4 with shred and rampage

I'll get the poxwalker kills on crit anyway and get some slightly better cleave

Which, to my knowledge is 4.5 on lights, meaning rampage above 33% raises that to a 4th poxwalker hit per light

[harsh urchin]

looks like nope

unless you have WC or DD charges

[rare arrow]

I've only ever seen crab in zealot

[ornate hamlet]

I might as well just rely on DD and SG then

I also just realized rampage 3 is 32%

Thank you Fatshark

cleave moment

Anyway, I tried recon for one game

My graia IAG is back in my hands

It hasn't even been 10 minutes

[spice veldt]

top 10 sentences before tragedy

[ornate hamlet]

I so dearly wish recon wasn't so... recon

It's a laser machinegun with fire on crit and energy ammo, it's 40K but still grounded

It's supposed to be one of the most fun weapons to play, it makes a badass laser noise

And then you realize the craziest enemies in the roster are more resistant to catching on fire and a torrent of hot light than a physical bullet

The dreg rager just closes his eyes

It's light lmao

If you don't see it, it doesn't exist

[magic kayak]

chainsword on psyker? it feels wrong to leave my DS at home

[urban sandal]

it's not good anyway

[prime elk]

its fun for the memes but i'd still rather just take DS

DS is just too much fun

[shrewd shard]

what blessings do u guys typically use on staffs? i usually am using my staff for 75% of the run, BB Soulblaze maxxxing

[urban sandal]

those blessings are good

for surge

[shrewd shard]

okay swag i just started dipping my toes into damnation runs

[white wolf]

I guess im a gunpsyker now

[prime elk]

until hardon says no

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/852669297611636749.webp?size=48&name=kekw&quality=lossless

[white wolf]

on the character I only use 2 tough 1 stam on

[prime elk]

2 tough 1 stam is my default on vet and psyker

[shrewd shard]

is stam that good?

i always just use 3 hp

[urban sandal]

if you block/push a lot then stam is decent yeah especially if you don't use kinetic deflection

since psyker has 2 stamina by default

having +stamina and kinetic deflection with something like a devils claw or a force sword with deflector can be quite strong

[magic kayak]

I go with +3 stamina its just big

I just ran a damnation and accidently aggroed demon host. I survived using mkiv DS and dodges

wish I could transfer weapons to my other characters...

I don't think I've ever seen a psyker use a laspistol but maybe thats just me

[paper harbor]

hey what's devil claw blessing specifically niche use like duel sword?

like this is an old sword i had

[magic kayak]

Pretty sure devils claw is horde clear right?

[urban sandal]

savage sweep and rampage or rampage and shred is the usual blessing mix for dclaw

[magic kayak]

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Rampage and shred is nice

[strange vault]

What kinda stats do I wanna look for on the new quickdraw revolver? How's this one?

[paper harbor]

man, horde clear weapon

this blade is fucked then

[ornate hamlet]

That is the old revolver, but uhhhh

[urban sandal]

I use dclaw for parrying things and staff for horde clear

[ornate hamlet]

Mobility dump but still above 50%

[paper harbor]

i did try parry like dueling sword

[ornate hamlet]

Maniac and something you want to kill

Surgical and handcannon

[paper harbor]

i test against plague ogryn and am suck at it

[magic kayak]

I can't imagine parry being good in this game

its so rare you're fighting just one mob

[urban sandal]

It's good against bosses, ragers, overheads and if you're surrounded

[magic kayak]

can you parry a crusher?

[urban sandal]

yeah

[magic kayak]

so does it parry against a mob?

well thats pretty cool

[urban sandal]

if you hold block and spam parry you'll chew through a mob of lesser enemies

[magic kayak]

ok better than I thought for sure

[urban sandal]

which is strange seeing as parry shouldnt reward spam

[magic kayak]

hah yeah I guess its darktide not dark souls

[urban sandal]

true

[magic kayak]

wow

this is pretty good rng right? the two perks seem solid

[paper harbor]

i means i could change this weapont from horde clear to dueling sword?

something like parry meme?

[peak grotto]

Emperor hates me, I've upgraded at least a dozen Trauma staves and still no Blazing Spirit

[paper harbor]

hello bird

Emperor neglecting us

[primal plume]

The amount of times I held a horde in place with Smite and saw a Vet take out Plasma to safely shoot a special in the middle of the Horde is immeasurable

and people still tell me not to smite hordes

[paper harbor]

smite is better to stagger special get into danger zone

or elite crusher

[harsh urchin]

it should become less of a thing

as you go up in difficulty

[primal plume]

I play Auric only

[harsh urchin]

and the people get good enough to just shoot stuff while fighting hordes

[primal plume]

its more useful in auric than any other difficulty

[harsh urchin]

idk i think smite is useful in every difficulty

5% of the time

[shrewd shard]

what is smite

im so confused

[paper harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[shrewd shard]

electric hands

[ornate hamlet]

I can pop a special without the horde being stunned tbf

[harsh urchin]

yeah most who aren't dog at the game can lol

or you just dodge the special and kill it later

[ornate hamlet]

I know at this point I'm not like the lowest skill group of the game or anything, but

I'd imagine the people playing auric would be somewhat close to me

[primal plume]

Why does every topic involving smite turn into a dick measuring contest

[lethal lagoon]

Why hold a horde and a special when you can just kill them all with smite

[primal plume]

the purpose of smite isnt to show off

its to make your teams life easier

[lethal lagoon]

Disagree

[white cedar]

is this new ?

[lethal lagoon]

Smite reduces the damage of tons of builds.

Trauma staff for example get's (banned word) by smite builds.

[harsh urchin]

how is saying that most players are able to handle specials and fight horde at the same time a dick measuring contest lol?

[primal plume]

Thats why you dont run smite for damage

[lethal lagoon]

All melee cleave also get's (banned word related to a bird's nest) by smite

[harsh urchin]

the fuck? lol

[paper lily]

yeah but did u win though

[lethal lagoon]

So you ruin other people's DPS and also deal no DPS

[primal plume]

"You dont need it if youre not dogshit at the game!"
Youre basically implying people that need/use smite are bad

Youre indirectly trying to flex

[harsh urchin]

did you not read what I said ?

[primal plume]

How am I ruining other peoples DPS?

[harsh urchin]

I literally said smite is good

calm down

[lethal lagoon]

Smite lowers cleave damage across the board.

[primal plume]

yeah most who aren't dog at the game can lol

What did you mean by this

[harsh urchin]

Most people who play at a reasonably high difficulty can handle hordes and specials at the same time.

[primal plume]

Everything is held in place

??????????????

[harsh urchin]

that's literally what it means

[lethal lagoon]

Exactly, they can't stack at bottlenecks

[harsh urchin]

don't fucking put words in my mouth

[lethal lagoon]

Because they are held back

[primal plume]

Youre the one who said "most people who arnt dog at the game"

[harsh urchin]

holy shit you are dim

[primal plume]

Press W on your keyboard

[harsh urchin]

ok i am done here

[shrewd shard]

smite is cool but i would rather have BB cause i dont have all the penances done yet

[lethal lagoon]

You understand half of high level play is positioning, right?

[ornate hamlet]

Yes. This is what happened to me!

[primal plume]

Dont get mad at me because you cant actually backpeddle your way out of this

[urban sandal]

don't know why it's so hard to stop smiting poxwalkers

[vocal cliff]

I just like taking heads off like my ancestors

[shrewd shard]

smite seems like a meme to me but i prob just didnt built it right

[lethal lagoon]

because huge damage numbers get me going.

[primal plume]

I play Auric, yes. Never once have I had the entire team fall apart because someone had to press W on their keyboard.
Stop being melodramatic

[harsh urchin]

By backpedaling, you mean exactly quoting what I had said earlier that you misunderstood / misrepresented?

[vocal cliff]

It's great however 95% of people misuse it

[shrewd shard]

horde control is for ogryns

[harsh urchin]

I literally took a screenshot

LOL

[primal plume]

I can read between the lines and you reacting this way proves it

[shrewd shard]

ill have to try it once i get all my bb penances done

[urban sandal]

smite is a life saver when your team is being swarmed by elites, especially in scab only mostly melee maelstrom missions

[lethal lagoon]

Who's being melodramatic now? "Entire team fall apart" All I said was it lowers DPS.

[shrewd shard]

what weapons do u run with it>?

[winter tusk]

[harsh urchin]

jesus so you admit you're literally making shit up

just go away if you're going to be like that

[shrewd shard]

i rlly like smite staff with bb cause i still get a little bit of cc but also random brain bursts

and being able to stun elites is nice

[primal plume]

Youre right. I hacked discord and your PC to make your write that post.
Im the infamous hacker known as 4chan

[urban sandal]

trauma staff stun locks all elites

[harsh urchin]

I stand by my post

you're just a drama queen

[vocal cliff]

I like to run the dialing sword mk 4 or illsi

[primal plume]

Me IRL

im in your mainframes, hacking your servo skulls

[vocal cliff]

And either trauma or voidstrike (with surge blessing)

[shrewd shard]

ik both u guys run auric damnation cause u guys are arguing like elitests

[harsh urchin]

no i only play sedition

[paper lily]

i hope they both run smite too

[shrewd shard]

is my staff shit

[vocal cliff]

Decided to run it after not using it and good god I thought voidstrike was stupid

It's not bad

[urban sandal]

lol you can just aim at your feet and nothing touches you

[lethal lagoon]

The shit part is dealing with the fomo of being 1 step away from a perfect staff

Do you take warp flurry 4 or 25% flak

[shrewd shard]

idk i never have used the hadron before

thats my first thing ive consecrated

[lethal lagoon]

You probably won't be able to replace it for a long time

Charge rate and quell spd is a lil low, but all the blessings and perks are solid

[sullen bobcat]

Both are pretty negligible imo, but I'd go with fury just because I don't think 5% more flak is going to really hit a break point

[shrewd shard]

good to know thanks for the input

[lethal lagoon]

I would go with flak so you have full perk control and can change things around

[haughty star]

holy shit i've started winning so many more auric damnations now that i have smite on my psyker lol

it's just a EZ button for the rest of the team lol

[lethal lagoon]

Don't be an EZ button for the rest of the team, be the DPS button
#psyker-class message

[primal plume]

gonna uninstall now

[lethal lagoon]

I wish they had more skill based Cosmetic borders.

[haughty star]

yeah i thought about that but it's nice having the damage stacks from warp siphon

[lethal lagoon]

I really like the hard mode keychain even though it's not THAT hard to get.

It's still something that isn't just time = X

[near wyvern]

EP smite is just inferior to warp siphon + full soulblaze smite

With EP you cannot use the quick taps or you will drop stacks and with siphons when you do it right the smite never ends until there are no more enemies.

[lethal lagoon]

Right, but you aren't considering your team's skill level.

Regular smite just isn't gonna do any real DPS the better your team is

And I need my Dopamine addiction satisfied

[haughty star]

i mean it still gets EPs power bonus so there's that at least

[near wyvern]

If this ain't DPS then tell me what the fuck if is

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[lethal lagoon]

your team killing things slowly?

I mean I love that clip, but it's kinda proving my point

[near wyvern]

Nope, not slowly

[lethal lagoon]

That would have literally done nothing if your team was at your same skill and build level, right?

You wouldn't even be in that situation

[near wyvern]

If you hold LMB longer than for one tick you are doing it wrong

[lethal lagoon]

Also, just to be clear, I'm speaking from the perspective of a smite heavy build versus a surge heavy.

[primal plume]

KIlling this slowly
Kill tracker filled with him killing shit
??????????????????????????????

Cant tell if bait

[lethal lagoon]

Re-read everything that was said

And try again

My point is warp charge smite is more effective at DPS when your team is less effective at DPS

[near wyvern]

It will do a lot, all you need is a lot of enemies, which if you don't have you don't need smite in the first place.

[lethal lagoon]

Where as EP smite can still function with better teammates

[primal plume]

The problem is that your arguing about people using Smite for damage

nobody uses smite on its own for damage

its like saying you use old Surge for damage

[ornate hamlet]

In the meantime I'll try something stupid

[primal plume]

just a bad idea

[haughty star]

wdym?

[ornate hamlet]

Don't fuck with me, I had it modded with carapace perk back in the old days

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-hehe-gif-20964169

[haughty star]

i like the surge staff

[lethal lagoon]

Which I think is a bad move if you are using smite a lot.

[haughty star]

i know it's not meta or whatever but it neat

[primal plume]

I kinda miss and Dont miss how it did more damage to armour

[lethal lagoon]

If you are only using smite in rare situations, I definitely prefer warp charges

[primal plume]

Because I dont use smite for damage. I use it for situational control

[lethal lagoon]

Okay? Wtf do you want from me?

[primal plume]

Your wallet

[lethal lagoon]

😦

[haughty star]

idk long as they're doing the zappy dance im happy

[lethal lagoon]

[haughty star]

sends survivability through the ROOF

[near wyvern]

If you gonna smite for longer than one tick you use RMB. Spreads faster, like way faster.

A single tick of LMB is able to catch a running and leaping dog, push a pox burster, interrupt a trapper/bomber/flamer and force them into the 'gather yourself' animation.

If there are two or more it's faster to charge up your RMB to deal with them than to wait for LMB RNG spread.

[lethal lagoon]

WTBorrow $20 for a taxi home, I got mugged

[haughty star]

oh yeah i only use it on huge clusterfucks

i use rmb for that

i use surge for everything else

and a illyses that i reluctently put deflector back on to nope out of bad spots

still no slaughterer

imma kms i've built like 200 swords

i don't even think im exagerating

[lethal lagoon]

Aight, lemme put this way, if you had a really skilled vet using plasma in that clip, what about a plasma vet and a ranged Ogryn? Would you even be getting any real DPS?

[haughty star]

who cares long as you actually win

[lethal lagoon]

The game is fairly easy atm for long-time players, winning is the default

I'm trying to make different things work well and have fun

[haughty star]

slaughterer has been a elusive bitch to me

oh shit

is crit damage dump stat on surge staff?

[lethal lagoon]

Kinda?

I don't think it's useless enough to be a dump, but out of all the stats it's the least usefulish.

[haughty star]

i think it might be a suitable upgrade empathment

[lethal lagoon]

Unyielding actually kinda nice on surge.

[haughty star]

i could be okay with unyielding

i use it for bossing so im fine with it

[lethal lagoon]

Surge might not be the best boss damage, but it's 0 effort boss damage

[haughty star]

yeah it's something noticeable on the health bar

hmmm

i lowkey kinda forgot sire milk was reupping

my slaughterer 4 could've already came and went

is there any way to like force the perk out? like upgrade a low damage one or some shit lol

[lethal lagoon]

As in mass upgrading useless greys to roll for blessings?

[haughty star]

yeah

idk if that's the way tho

[lethal lagoon]

Depends on your plasteel to gold ratios

[haughty star]

maybe just stay the course and wait for a good one to pop slaughterer

[lethal lagoon]

If you are low on gold, high on plasteel, it's not a bad method.

[steep estuary]

Y'know im not normally big on some of the psyker cosmetics, but this looks kinda cute imo

[haughty star]

i have uncanny iv which i think is the way for me on it

[tidal scaffold]

my usual go to is buy greys from brunts until i get a good stat roll, pray it doesnt get bricked, then upgrade all the junk ones i got to roll for blessings i want

[near wyvern]

Counter argument. Same thing applies to EP smite.

If you have a good team you could be running Achlys Combat Axe with BB and Shredder and still do fine.

However, even if your team is killing shit, siphon smite is able to hold out elites for a tad bit longer where as EP smite completely looses the EP functionality and becomes no better than a regular smite.

If your team doesn't do that well, siphon smite scales up the roof for damage and CC, which TBH is when you need it the most. EP smite will stay as EP smite and doesn't scale up with the difficulty of the situation.

[vocal cliff]

I should try shred with the dialing sword

I usually just slap riposte and call it a day

[haughty star]

im going for slaughterer/uncanny on a illyses and it is just not having it

i have uncanny iv so little "blessings" i guess

i do have slaughterer 2 i spose i could just rock that until i get a good one to pop

nvm it was ONE

lol

[lethal lagoon]

Counter argument. Same thing applies to everything but literally the most meta build. So it's about relative rather than absolute.

But is holding out a tad longer actually helpful? Smite does decrease cleave damage. You can't argue that. You can see it real time especially if you have a Blaze Trauma user.

EP smite scales just as well if not better because you are effectively doing smite damage at more than 2x the pace. That's 80-90% of a rager's health with a normal EP Smite Fshriek combo.

I will also point out, I'm not arguing EP smite is the super amazing or something, it's just way better than warp siphon smite if you are playing in a smite heavy way.

The difference between the two is also a lot more obvious if you try to do a smite-only meme run.

[near wyvern]

If you think EP smite is that good, let me see how you solo a mixed horde with it just like in the clip I showed you.

Since we both agree the case where your team is good is irrelevant

Cause in that case it doesn't matter what you are running

[lethal lagoon]

(my poor harddrive)
I'll get back to you in a day or so

[haughty star]

i just like the funni dance it make the enemies do

[lethal lagoon]

Also, when I mentioned the team stuff, I meant from a pubbing experience.

It's going to be a better pub experience cause your build doesn't get as easily invalidated by better players.

[near wyvern]

90% of the time I do Auric solo Q quick play

[lethal lagoon]

Best area for EP smite is that first elevator on Auric Magi, you decimate the front area with the stairs solo with EP smite and 0 effort. I've wanted to get a clip of that anyways, it's really silly.

[orchid shadow]

What do you guys use for recording gameplay? I've always wanted to record the times when Smite gets the job done, but it usually eats up so much harddrive space.

[lethal lagoon]

I was just going to use nvidia stuff

[ornate hamlet]

The stupid build was a resounding success

[ornate hamlet]

If it was black I'd like it

[lethal lagoon]

Kinetic flayer with a gun feeels really good, just don't do the math 😅

[haughty star]

use handbrake to compress your shit

[white wolf]

What is thought to be the best staff

[umbral helm]

yes

[white wolf]

I have the least experience on psyker of any class so I'm curious

I played a lot of Sienna in vermintide though

[potent echo]

Which ones you like more

[white wolf]

I think the Trauma and the Voidstrike ones pique my interest the most

Partly because I already use Smite and partly because I have hundreds of hours running flamer on zealot so running purgatus is kind of a turnoff now

[vocal cliff]

@fair spruce was this you or some other random okri

[lethal lagoon]

I would put Blaze Trauma and Surge Voidstrike as S-tier
Surge and Purg as A-Tier

[vocal cliff]

My chat was broken if it was

[potent echo]

Purgatus is the better flamer

[white wolf]

I have been on the lookout for a blaze eligible trauma for a few weeks now

[lethal lagoon]

Honestly all the staves are great and they all tend to have different "perfect conditions" they thrive under.

I would pick what you enjoy using the most rather than worry over any in-game effectiveness.

[umbral helm]

hence this being my answer

[white wolf]

really bummed to learn they do not share blessings

annoying af

been scared to upgrade this again

[vocal cliff]

Nvm it was not unfortunately

[lethal lagoon]

I mean ranged damage(elite) isn't horrible but susatined fire is dookie yeah.

[vocal cliff]

Damnit

[white wolf]

Do staffs count as ranged now?

[lethal lagoon]

I would upgrade it just to get it out of your head

Didn't they always?

[white wolf]

90% sure that my Kill X with Ranged contracts don't count staff kills but I may be wrong

or at least it didnt use to

[lethal lagoon]

Maybe you are getting dregs and scabs confused?

[white wolf]

I've killed 25k of each xD

[lethal lagoon]

They definitely count mine.

[white wolf]

I'm probably wrong

it was a long time ago

[lethal lagoon]

(I could be wrong too), but at the very least "Ranged Damage 5%" nodes work on staves

[white wolf]

!!!!!!

[lethal lagoon]

Yooo

[white wolf]

potentially saveable

I just need to get more staff IVs

I've got all the good ones for force swords at least

[umbral helm]

time to play the lottery with Brunt and Hadron

[lethal lagoon]

Don't forget to link the biggest

[white wolf]

yeah technically once I get Warp Nexus IV and Blazing IV then I can slap those on no matter what and get a working fire trauma, fuck yeah

elites isnt amazing but

I'll take it

[umbral helm]

oh, I meant it was time for him to. I haven't played that game in a few months, I'm mostly content with what I have for now

until they add a new toy or give us our reds

[lethal lagoon]

There's no blazing IV

[white wolf]

blazing spirit?

[lethal lagoon]

For staves, yeah, only tier 3

[white wolf]

tf

[lethal lagoon]

Good thing you mentioned that, quite a number of people have blown a lot of resources looking for blazing tier 4 on trauma

[umbral helm]

it's part of what makes it potentially annoying to grab, because it's specific like that

[lethal lagoon]

meh, tier 3s are the most common blessings

[white wolf]

but it's a IV on swords?

[umbral helm]

potentially, depends on how RNG feels

[white wolf]

wtf that's so strange

it is only a III

[umbral helm]

as for force swords, don't remember. haven't looked in a while, but probably

[white wolf]

Are there other cases of a blessing only going until a certain tier for only some weapons but being available in IV for others?

[umbral helm]

I know on some guns there are blessings that are only tier 2, though I think they're specific to that gun and don't appear on others

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think so, that's probably why so many people get fooled into chasing blazing IV on trauma and spend millions of gold and thousands of plasteel

[white wolf]

Mhm, Man-Stopper and Flechette.

Shotguns.

[white wolf]

odd design choice but w/e

[lethal lagoon]

tbf though they aren't identical

tier 3 blazing spirit on a sword is worded different and has a higher cap.

[white wolf]

I BELIEVED

my faith in Him was rewarded

this started with 0 perks

[near wyvern]

Nvidia shadow play to clip last X minutes unless I am recording the whole thing manually (press a button to start and stop a manual record)

[untold niche]

are nurgle boosted gunners non staggerable?

[eager mantle]

High stagger threshold. Ogryn or nothin mostly

[wide maple]

hmmmmm

[spice veldt]

green enemies take -100% impact (additive) yeah

[mighty fractal]

Everything nurgle-boosted is staggerable, even Crushers

The threshold is just very high

[radiant frigate]

what are we looking at, exactly

[lethal lagoon]

I'd run that just to see how that warp resist feels with flaming shriek.

Oh that 75% burn is such a shame though

[untold niche]

ah thanks
does vs garuntee knockback though?

venting shriek

i contributed alot but kept dying, this maelstrom was very fun

quick question what does ventilation purge mean

[lethal lagoon]

Not dark but smokey

[untold niche]

also does the I-E at the end mean anything?

[lethal lagoon]

The letters at the end represent different modifers

Not that any normal human is capable of memorizing which ones.

So mostly for fun

[untold niche]

do you know what the i-e stand for in this case

[lethal lagoon]

I'm fairly normal, so no

[untold niche]

i am very curiouss because i found that super fun

[spice veldt]

from what i'm reading, I is shock troop gauntlet, and E is nurgle blessed

[lethal lagoon]

Oh is there a page with all the modifers?

[untold niche]

yeah a link would be good @spice veldt !

[spice veldt]

i'm reading off of this reddit post and seeing what the common letters are https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/15lwdw9/an_explanation_of_all_potential_maelstrom_mission/

[untold niche]

thanks mr arco

[spice veldt]

there's probably some wiki that describes what each letter is but that's what i'm using currently

[lethal lagoon]

You can also use solo play to figure each out manually

Just start an I-E game and hit tab

[untold niche]

so power supply is dark, and ventilation is fog? whats the difference loll, both you cant see

[spice veldt]

oh this steam guide has it https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2895673789

for power supply, enemies have a shorter aggro range and daemonhosts spawn more frequently

[lethal lagoon]

"Opps, Only trappers"

[spice veldt]

vent purge has more snipers and maybe another diffference I don't know about

[lethal lagoon]

Also, do trappers hit scan?

[orchid shadow]

They need an "Oops, all Monstrosities" modifier

[lethal lagoon]

I think snipers also hit scan

[spice veldt]

i think the net they shoot out is representative of the actual grab thingy

[untold niche]

i feel trappers should just do damage to you, high damage, but you need to manually hold E to take it off, else you will continue taking high damage

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, trappers are a good roadblock.

[untold widget]

I feel like trappers shouldn't be able to shoot through mesh as if nets were bullets

[lethal lagoon]

Just need to make sure sound queues work better

[spice veldt]

i dislike that they can just shoot through a bunch of enemies

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, I feel like if a trapper can't drag me towards them, they shouldn't have been able to hit me

[sweet whale]

Trappers are fine. You need disablers to keep groups together.

[lethal lagoon]

Nurgle Trappers are basically unavoidable

Can't hear or see them

[radiant frigate]

trappers get funny angles sometimes, that much is true

[sweet whale]

They all play a sound.

[untold niche]

especially behind bulwark and you can't hear them :)

[spice veldt]

yes the existence of disablers is nice

[untold niche]

you never had the sound system fail on you?

[radiant frigate]

if disablers didn't exist, what would inspire fear?

[untold niche]

you never had trapper net go throug hcover?

[spice veldt]

but the sound can be real fucked in this game and I dislike an uncounterable disabler that can shoot through enemies and drag you to them

[sweet whale]

No.

[spice veldt]

dogs can be pushed and disable you in-place

[untold niche]

uh how long have you played for?

[spice veldt]

mutants only knock you temporarily and enemies no longer hit you while you're getting rumbled

[radiant frigate]

wdym "uncounterable"

[sweet whale]

A little under 400 hours.

[untold niche]

thats incredibly lucky, i have less than half and i had time swhere for a whole second i have totally zero sound
you play on like auric damnation right?

[sweet whale]

In any case, you hear the net launch, too.

[untold niche]

im genuinely asking beecause a5histg spawns more stuff which according to others make the sound system more fucked

[orchid shadow]

It'd be neat if the net is indiscrimate and wraps up everything, friend or foe. You're just stuck in there with a bunch of enemies and take damage from them.

[spice veldt]

the sound dampening mechanic can also be fucked

because enemy noises are quieter if you're not the target

e.g., sniper shot not making the warning noise if you're not the target and then you're suddenly the victim of a laser intended for a teammate

[sweet whale]

Yes. I have all chars at 30, and play on damnation. Never had an issue with the sound. It's extremely well made, the audio cues.

[untold niche]

normal damnation or auric damnation?

[sweet whale]

Other developers should learn from this.

[untold niche]

i don't know if you tried auric but there is a big difference

[sweet whale]

Why would you play anything else at max level?

[untold niche]

how would i know, i seen +86 play normal damn

[radiant frigate]

if you have two people within the same sniper's red line and no one countershooting i think you have different problems

[spice veldt]

the red line is not immediately obvious

e.g., i'm not facing the sniper's direction

[untold niche]

i had to do colour correction to make the red line obvious :(

[spice veldt]

lemme see if i can find a video of mines

[untold niche]

oh ya arco, do you ever had like a full second of suddenly no sound

[radiant frigate]

would be cool if it was a different color to differentiate it from the spam of lasguns

[spice veldt]

i think i might've had such instances

but they're rare enough that they don't linger in my mind

[radiant frigate]

high peril drowning out the sound, perhaps?

[untold niche]

usually when its shit hits the fan :(

nah its like actually quiet

besides

i edge

so

always on high peril

[sweet whale]

Maybe the soundcard not keeping up?

[untold niche]

@spice veldt

[spice veldt]

e.g., the hammer zealot is the intended target and i consequently get no warning noise https://streamable.com/zt4em6

[untold niche]

oh ya arco, sprint slide resets dash slide, but is vice versa true?

[spice veldt]

as in it prevents your dodges from resetting?

[untold niche]

how come i don't even see the red line xD

[untold niche]

no as in, you know how slides ahve fatigue right

spritn slide resides dodge slide fatigue

[spice veldt]

that too yeah, there was some wonkiness with how snipers had an instant turn speed

[untold niche]

but does dodge slide reset sprint slide fatigue?

[spice veldt]

sprint sliding has no fatigue or inefficiency

only dodges suffer from it

dodges consume 1 dodge charge, and dodge-sliding consumes 2 dodge charges

sprint-sliding doesn't consume any charge, but it will reset your dodge refresh timer back to 0.85s

[untold niche]

ohhh

means i must ahve misunderstood

people at zealot chat told me sprint slide reset dodge slide fatigue :v

i have the dodge meter mod up tho

ima go ping lazorr

[radiant frigate]

honestly this looks like you have some problem with your settings, because the red line should be visible

[spice veldt]

that footage is from patch 12 and before

i'm not sure if it's fixed in the current patch

but snipers had an issue where their instant turn speed meant that you couldn't see the red laser

because they were facing a different direction

and my settings only really mess with the textures and have had no bearing on the visibility of the red line (besides my ability to notice it while in-the-moment)

oh wait i still have normal textures in that footage

[untold niche]

no arco

no.

don't post

[spice veldt]

i will shroud this world in darkness

[untold niche]

don't post your gamecube darktide

even ps1 had better graphics

oh ya arco

are you running the uh

toughness regen speed as well

[spice veldt]

nah

not on vet or psyker

[brisk grove]

i think there's a difference between "vent purge" and "vent purge sniper gauntlet"

[untold niche]

how come not on psker?

tbh i only run it because phygex is running it

[spice veldt]

i take basically almost all toughness regen nodes on psyker so i shit out toughness

as a purg psyker, I regenerate my toughness practically instantly from Mettle alone

[spice veldt]

oh yeah that's true

[radiant frigate]

toughness regen speed seems entirely useless

yay, faster regen when not threatened

what joy

[untold niche]

it reduces the delay as well

i think thats why phygex runs it

[spice veldt]

7.5 toughness per second (and you get 50%/75%/100% if there are 1/2/3 other players in coherency with you)

I think it's fine to take it

but for me, I'm definitely not taking it since I snort up all the toughness nodes on vet/psyker

[radiant frigate]

i always felt like purgatus feels like trash so perhaps we have different tastes

[spice veldt]

and zealot doesn't really need any survivability help from me

if I have a competent team like a premade, purg is whatever

but it's pretty good for pubs which tend to lack any form of DPS

[untold niche]

can you screenshot your build

[brisk grove]

i thought so too, until i made a good build with it and now i feel like all other builds are inferior

[untold niche]

because to my knowledge

toughness nodes, two at the top, and the botttom ones are when you go deep into the tree

[spice veldt]

i comfortably win games with purg without feeling like any situation was particularly tough and at a solid pace (20 to 30 minutes for hishock auric and depending on the mission)

[radiant frigate]

i take two from the top and two from the bottom

[spice veldt]

it's a comfort weapon for me for maximum brain off

[brisk grove]

just spew fire and dodge

[radiant frigate]

I'm sure it's possible to win with it, it just feels like incredibly low impact

compared to slicing up a horde with illisi

[untold niche]

@spice veldt how the hell do you take most of the toughness nodes
send screenshot!!!

[spice veldt]

oh i don't take all 5 anymore

and even that was a bit of a meme when I did it

[untold niche]

ANYMORE?

[spice veldt]

xd

[untold niche]

WHAT THE FUCK DUDE

so how many you take

[spice veldt]

this is what i roughly run nowadays with purg

[radiant frigate]

it is funny to have a 200 toughness psyker though

[spice veldt]

yeah and also at a good pace

purg cleans up ragers/maulers which is good nuff for me

[lethal lagoon]

[spice veldt]

and can stagger bulwarks reliably by just spamming LMB when they open their guard

[brisk grove]

i don't think there's a better continuous aoe suppression in the game than purg

[lethal lagoon]

LMB spam > Purg when it comes to supression.

LMB spam on the three other staves I mean

[brisk grove]

but those don't have much penetrating power

[lethal lagoon]

At least that's what I learned from doing LMB only runs

Sure, I'm not arguing optimal, just saying it has more supression 😅

[spice veldt]

i usually always go for 4 toughness nodes since they're in pretty convenient locations

and I never take warp charges just so that I have spare points for that luxury

[brisk grove]

to 50 enemies at once?

[lethal lagoon]

I think you are misunderstanding what "suppression" means? Do you mean stagger?

[brisk grove]

well not exactly

i mean the ability to pin down enemies and deal damage to them, not the 'suppression' stat

[radiant frigate]

so, cc

[lethal lagoon]

Anyways, I'm just nitpicking, because I find LMB's(surge,void,trauma) ability to suppress enemies pretty hilarious.

[brisk grove]

they frustrate me for anything long range, voidstrike secondary attack is very accurate but primary attack goes all over the place even if i'm trying to hit an enemy 5m away

[twin zephyr]

@hard geode <@&735928989146939404> This man right here.

Thank you inquisitors ❤️

[spice veldt]

360 no scope

[lethal lagoon]

Aiming on it is rough yeah.

[spice veldt]

one day, we will get a hitscan precision staff

[lethal lagoon]

No beams in a sci-fi-game with wizards 😦

[brisk grove]

and yet vermintide had a high accuracy beam staff

[spice veldt]

something that can take gr8 advantage of DD to absolutely grill a single target with

[brisk grove]

i love using the beam staff on bosses, if you just hold it on them for long enough the damage stacks up to be enormous

[spice veldt]

yeah just looking at vt gameplay, it's something I really want in darktide

[brisk grove]

the secondary attack is even more fun

[hearty dagger]

Hey fellas, i'm bored of running Force Sword every game. Any suggestions in terms of weapons?

[sour bison]

couldn't be worse perks&feats combo

its actually impressive

[hearty dagger]

Ghost is actually useful so it could definitely be worse.

[near wyvern]

I actually would like this gun to have run n gun in the blessing pool

The hipfire is that good

[lethal lagoon]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[hearty dagger]

Yes, a psyker guide is a great weapon suggestion

[lethal lagoon]

Now I'm kinda annoyed I took the effort to link it 😅

[brisk grove]

use the starter sword

[hearty dagger]

Did try the catachan, just doesn't really feel all too good to use i think

[brisk grove]

use it more until you start to like it

[hearty dagger]

Man, i really hope Psyker gets more toys to play with next update.

[brisk grove]

psyker needs thunder hammer

[hearty dagger]

Right now the melee weapon options for Psyker are just really stale.

[tame venture]

use the knife and become crackhead

[hearty dagger]

Already did.

[tame venture]

or use dueling sword 4

[hearty dagger]

Again, already did.

[brisk grove]

what melee have you not tried

[hearty dagger]

Great question.

I don't fucking know.

[brisk grove]

oh even better idea: don't use melee at all

[tame venture]

use taxes for long enough that anything else seems interesting

[hearty dagger]

By the holy god emperor i am tweaking

[strong gulch]

Use staff bonk

[hearty dagger]

Already have.

[brisk grove]

hard to please

[hearty dagger]

I have bashed in the skulls of multiple heretics.

[brisk grove]

i almost wanna do a challenge where i do zero melee damage for a whole mission

[hearty dagger]

That's called just playing Smite psyker.

[tame venture]

brainburst only the whole mision

[brisk grove]

i come close with purg staff

[lethal lagoon]

Do a challenge where you get 0 melee damage, 0 weakspots, and 0 crits

[hearty dagger]

I think my problem is i have played so much Psyker that i have 100%'ed all the penances.

[ornate hamlet]

Does lightning from Surge Staff crit?

[hearty dagger]

Yes.

[tame venture]

play ogryn and go hard in the roleplay

[hearty dagger]

Guess what young man

[ornate hamlet]

Do staves have notoriously low crit from their primary fire? I feel like I can only get one stack of that perfect timing talent.

[tame venture]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-party-gif-27273801

[hearty dagger]

already have

[hard widget]

what blessings on deimos

[tame venture]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[brisk grove]

i think they just inherit psyker's base crit (7.5% iirc)

[tame venture]

yup

[lethal lagoon]

LMB should be the same as RMB

[ornate hamlet]

I hate to see him go but I love to see him leave.

[tame venture]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

[ornate hamlet]

So would Gun Psyker be better for an ebb and flow style crit Psyker build?

[hearty dagger]

Explain what you mean with ebb and flow

[ornate hamlet]

Like would a gun have better crit than a staff

I gave to much info on that question

[brisk grove]

it would be the same barring blessings that change it

[hearty dagger]

As a gunker, it can definitely feel more effective since guns are significantly more reactive than staffs.

I.E, you can whip out a gun and immediately start slamming high DPS but with staffs you have a charge up time

[ornate hamlet]

I saw that there's a few talents that reward you for non warp kills and warp kills boosting non warp damage so I'm thinking a shredder to spam crits if it helps and smite to clear when enough crits or non warp weak spot hits are landed

[hearty dagger]

I don't think there's any possible way to make Smite a good clear option.

[ornate hamlet]

So wait there's no artificial crit chance power weapon?

[hearty dagger]

Wdym artifical crit chance?

[ornate hamlet]

Like the revolver having higher crit because it has five bullet capacity versus a staff that uses a charge and heat system or an auto rifle with a large magazine.

[hearty dagger]

Don't know statistics that deep so i'm no use there i'm afraid

[strong gulch]

Some weapons have a higher crit rate than others like surge staff. Some guns also have crit strings. With Scrier's and crit nodes, you can really get the crit strings going.

There is also warp nexus that increases crit rate at higher peril.

[brisk grove]

well that depends on available blessings right

[ornate hamlet]

No worries

Right not counting Blessings I'm trying to figure out if there's hidden crit stat

Blessing would normally count otherwise though

Since you know a shredder being able to have a high crit blessing would be better than an auto rifle that has a worse crit chance blessing for what I'm trying to do.

[strong gulch]

Psyker also has true aim.

[ornate hamlet]

But I'm left with decades of games telling me that a slower firing weapons have higher crit chance.

True aim?

[lethal lagoon]

5 weakspot hits = ranged crit

[ornate hamlet]

So that rewards full auto weapons or at least rapid fire

[brisk grove]

i'm pretty confident that weapons don't have an idividual crit chance stat

[strong gulch]

Yes, but also anything that you want to setup a ranged crit.

[lethal lagoon]

Also rewards cleave, like voidstrike

[spice veldt]

weapons have a crit chance attached to them

but most weapons usually just have +0% crit chance

[brisk grove]

where can i find that

[ornate hamlet]

That's great to hear but I'm surprised considering the subject matter of the game and machine spirits.

[spice veldt]

intuit it through the morphogenetic field

i don't think there's any up-to-date resource on a weapon's crit chance so far

[strong gulch]

Some do. Laspistol and knife for example.

[ornate hamlet]

Oh this thanks yeah that helps

[spice veldt]

not sure about that since i'm not up-to-date on current resources

[lethal lagoon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/152

[ornate hamlet]

Wait what?

[lethal lagoon]

Sometimes it's a bit slow when you rapidly switch loadouts though

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly this is a lot of contemplation for a build I'm probably going to use once.

[strong gulch]

That was in response to crit rate on weapons.

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah so Laspistol and Knife have bonus crit chance?

[strong gulch]

I only got some of the words typed out lol. Brain is braining.

[ornate hamlet]

Is there a way to see it without modding?

[lethal lagoon]

Use the weapon 1,000 times in the pysch and keep an accurate record of every shot

[ornate hamlet]

Oh god.

Modding it is ._.

[brisk grove]

i have this, i guess it wasn't showing any change because purg doesn't have a crit chance boost like someone said it did

[strong gulch]

The mod might not so all of the crit chance in all scenarios. Like if a melee crit blessing is active when you swap to your ranged weapon because of how that's coded or something odd.

Looking at you riposte.

[brisk grove]

i'm talking about a flat boost across the board

[lethal lagoon]

I've never tried to use the inventory stats in combat or anything.

But yeah, purg should be the same crit chance as trauma and void

[strong gulch]

We can at least check the surge staff's crit chance without mods.

[lethal lagoon]

Technically no, because it says melee

[strong gulch]

Remember that time that staff bonk vs flak got nerfed?? Was too OP.

[lethal lagoon]

Gandalf Meta died too soon 🥹

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-sad-sad-stitch-gif-14364046974961747120

[lethal lagoon]

Ooo. Potential Staff LMB is just one handing a sword and swinging it.

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[lethal lagoon]

🥹 That means you like it, right.

🥹

[strong gulch]

Ye

I want warp whips.

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs-hiding-in-bushes-disappear-into-hedges-embarrassed-gif-24183287

When you whip a Chaos Spawn and it does 400 damage

[strong gulch]

It's make it happy.

[stark fable]

A question: is Purge or Surge Staff better? Is Brainburst or Throwing Shards better?

[umbral helm]

warp whips would be how you'd get slaanesh heretics, but I'd nonetheless main the hell out of a whip

[vocal cliff]

In terms of staff, surge, in terms of the two blitz they cannot really be compared as much, both are great and excel at two different things

[tame venture]

"better at what?" is ultimately the answer you'll get

[stark fable]

Better at self-defense

[vocal cliff]

Assail

[tame venture]

admittedly assail is generally more useful than brainburst

[young ridge]

I would say it's preference and also what your team brings. Purgatus and surge both are fine, purgatus obviously being more focused on hordes, surge being for big boys. Would say brain burst is a little better than assail unless you're playing gun psyker.

[tame venture]

though i do occasionally find tmes when BB is good

[young ridge]

But again, preference and team

[tame venture]

what makes you say brainburst is better?

[vocal cliff]

It's hard going back to assail after using BB

Just something about BB scratches an itch

[young ridge]

I find I get more utility from it

It just flows with the warp weapons better for some reason

[brisk grove]

i did the thing

[stark fable]

In detail why?

[vocal cliff]

Just killing specials before they can become a threat

It reminds me of the helbore on my vet

So it's naturally why I'm more gravitated to it

I typically use the standard charge and rarely use the alt charge tho

Unless I have to pick or hold to prepare for someone

[brisk grove]

alt charge with brain burst is a game changer

hear a mutant coming and start charging so you can take a chunk of its health as soon as it comes around the corner

or really any other special that you can hear but not see

[vestal fulcrum]

It certainly is a bit underutilised

But my main problem with it is that it’s taking longer to channel than LMB cast

Which just isn’t very feasible most of the time

[umbral helm]

it's like anything else in your kit, knowing when to use it ends up being the important thing. you weave through your different things for different scenarios

[brisk grove]

i probably use it too much, when i could be using the faster charge if i take time to locate the enemy

[umbral helm]

I tend to use the pre-charge when I hear something spawn during slower moments in a mission just to headpop them the minute they appear. your trappers/flamers/etc

[stark fable]

Welcher Keystone is better at Self-defense? The left or the middle?

[vestal fulcrum]

That kind of depends on what the rest of your loadout is

[brisk grove]

depends on your build

middle if you use your blitz ability a lot, left if you wanna have a short cooldown on your career ability

[untold niche]

i still feel void should have more damage against gunners
shouldnt take me full charge and full dd stacks to 1 tap headshot a gunner

[vestal fulcrum]

And how you define “self-defence” also matters somewhat. For instance, I could say that the left keystone is better at providing safety to you, because it provides you with more ability casts or less peril used per warp attack, but then in case of EP the defensive measure can be counted in say, killing an enemy quicker with your blitz

[stark fable]

I personally use Purge+Brainburst or Surge+Assail, is left or middle Keystone better?

[stark fable]

And my F skill is always the left with fire

[brisk grove]

i'd go left

if you generate a lot of peril you can vent it with the shriek very often

[spice veldt]

i'd say that it feels that way only because void is the only staff that is remotely related to precision

but ultimately, void is a multi-target weapon

[vestal fulcrum]

Purgatus can go either keystone, depending on which play style you want to reinforce, but I’d be keener to play it with the left one.

Assail benefits greatly from the middle keystone, but Surge uses the left one good, so this might be a tougher call to make. You either reinforce Surge to deal better with peril and singular elite/special enemies, or Assail, so you can destroy groups of small enemies and/or certain elites more fluently/efficiently

[spice veldt]

man i want a proper precision single-target staff one day

[brisk grove]

depending on kills and other syngery skills your shriek cooldown can be under 15 seconds with the left keystone

[spice veldt]

i want it so badly

[vestal fulcrum]

Vermintide 1 bolt staff with true flight mechanics

[brisk grove]

or vt2 beam staff

[spice veldt]

gib

[umbral helm]

I still like the idea of a staff that throws ice shards that embed themselves in enemies (and maybe pin the trash to walls on kill?), but that'd require adding a whole other status to justify it, balance it all, etc and we know they're not gonna give it that much effort

[spice veldt]

i'd want something like that for a surge staff rework where the LMB throws out some projectile thing, and the RMB interacts with those projectiles in some way related to lightning

[strong gulch]

If you are BBing a lot on your purge build, taking EP (middle keystone) might be your better option. Purg is strong on its own and you have easy access to psykinetic's aura, seer's presence, empathic evasion, and creeping flames.

[spice veldt]

psyker is basically the perfect grounds to do whacky and cool shit with

cuz warp powers and whatnot

[brisk grove]

that reminds me of a weapon sorta like that in another game i played, you would throw ice spears and then when you held "reload" it would pull the spears back out of the enemies and into your hand, dealing extra damage

[umbral helm]

I just like cryomancy in any form. ice powers are cool

[brisk grove]

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Icy_Spear

not the most powerful but it would be cool to implement a mechanic like that

[umbral helm]

oh yeah, Gunfire Reborn. seen some friends play that at one point. considered picking it up at one point

[brisk grove]

it's very good

[umbral helm]

good to know it has an ice spear

[spice veldt]

a warp ranged weapon with its own resource management would be pretty fun

[umbral helm]

it could maybe be the staff equivalent of assail like surge is to smite. maybe no auto aim, though. reward the precision

[brisk grove]

that would just be a 'normal' projectile right?

[stark fable]

Is Purgestaff or Surgestaff stronger gegen Bosses/Monstrosities?

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is probably the strongest boss staff in actual combat. Voidstrike is stronger in certain conditions.

Nice part of Purg though is you can throw on some stacks and go do other stuff

[vestal fulcrum]

That would probably be Purgatus, especially if you couple it with an Unyielding perk on your melee weapon to switch to after you apply all the soul burn to a monster

[brisk grove]

yeah purg is nice cause you can keep the hordes off your teammates while they hit the boss

[umbral helm]

if we go with the ice idea it'd maybe be weaker ice shards you shoot out with the lmb and the rmb would have you charge up a larger one that just embeds itself into somebody. maybe have the big one shatter and do extra damage, to differentiate it and add its own flair?

[vocal cliff]

If youre able to hit the weakspots and with the surge blessing it Can bé nice

[brisk grove]

so basically the vt2 bolt staff, which is like a voidstrike without the aoe damage

[tired estuary]

I want a staff that sucks up ammo pickups and launches them at enemies like half life 2 gravity gun

[stark fable]

lol

Creative

[umbral helm]

suppose so. never played vt2 unfortunately

[brisk grove]

does anyone ever just trigger scrier's gaze and then just hold 'vent' until the peril gain overwhelms the venting?

[midnight jolt]

Gravity hand 😂

[vocal cliff]

Sometimes

[brisk grove]

you're missing out

[umbral helm]

also, gravity powers are another cool idea but that'd require using their physics engine for more than ragdolls, which I don't see going well with all the other optimization issues this game has

[tired estuary]

Yeah I'm absolutely joking gravity gun would probably light darktide spaghetti code on fire

[midnight jolt]

I'm waiting for VT2 next sales to get it, €94 seems a bit high to get everything

[brisk grove]

i mean, elf in vt2 has a gravity attack

[umbral helm]

yeah, it's totally possible, I'm sure. it's just "will they/can they do it"

[brisk grove]

for a single enemy though

[tired estuary]

If you mean sister of thorn staff its really just a disable

no physics involved

[radiant frigate]

94 eurodollars? huh

[stark fable]

By the way is Duelsword or Forcesword better for Self-defense?

[brisk grove]

can't get shit in night city

[radiant frigate]

what are you defending against

[brisk grove]

which one is better for self-offense

[tired estuary]

illisi/diemos have better horde clear, mk4 duel sword will kill single targets faster if you can safely stab their eyeballs

[stark fable]

Hordes wenn I use Surge, Ogryns wenn I use Purge

[midnight jolt]

that's just too much

[radiant frigate]

i would say illisi force for hordes, deimos for ogryns

[brisk grove]

you could buy the base game and then get the dlc later

[radiant frigate]

duelinh sword possibly better vs crushers

force better vs bulwark

[brisk grove]

in fact i'd recommend buying the base game and seeing if you like it before getting any of the DLC

[strong gulch]

Iirc, steam does a spring sale. You might get a better deal then.

[umbral helm]

hey, look at the bright side, it could be Sims 4 DLC

[tired estuary]

you also def don't need all the dlc

[brisk grove]

it's some extra missions (which you can join if someone else hosts them) and extra classes (which are fun but not really required)

[strong gulch]

I also rec buying the base game first to see if you like it. Especially if you are used to darktide.

[radiant frigate]

okay but that's all DLC, including all premium careers and their cosmetic bundles

[brisk grove]

yeah the combat and defense is.. very different in a few key ways

[midnight jolt]

can I quick play and join anyone?

[brisk grove]

iirc yes

[tired estuary]

almost nobody gets weaves of magic to play weaves, usually just for class specific weapons

[umbral helm]

for context

[strong gulch]

VT2 is great, but it is not as tight with hitboxes and whatnot as darktide is.

[tired estuary]

and also yeah somebody else can host if you just wanna play the mission

[brisk grove]

my recommendation: hold block a lot

[radiant frigate]

winds of magic is for cata difficulty

[strong gulch]

oh sims...

[tired estuary]

oh right cata too

I forgot b/c modded difficulty lol

[umbral helm]

I love showing people that've never seen what all sims 4 simultaneously purchased costs just to see their reaction when they realize it's the down payment on a used car in the south

[radiant frigate]

1.2k eurodollars for dlc, for a single game

that is impressive and concerning

[strong gulch]

but the base sims game is free now

or did they stop doing that? EA is evil after all

[umbral helm]

I forget if bundles include +tax or not, but I doubt they do, so that's also potentially without your region's tax rates if they have any

[radiant frigate]

the dlcs still cost more than i have spent on games in the last few years

[umbral helm]

also it is free, yes

[brisk grove]

isn't there like a train simulator game that's ten times that

[radiant frigate]

i don't want to know

[umbral helm]

probably, sims 4 is just easy to remember so I use it

steam considers sims 4 similar to Stardew Valley apparently

[midnight jolt]

in theory, I can remove all cosmetics upgrades and collection edition and that will easily go down to < €60

[brisk grove]

i mean true, but still i'd recommend trying the base game to see if the combat is bearable before dropping money on all the extra classes and weapons and missions

[ornate hamlet]

I fundamentally can't play Vermintide after Darktide

[midnight jolt]

VT or VT2?

[ornate hamlet]

VT2

[brisk grove]

the big differences between it and darktide are first, that you have no "toughness" shield to absorb enemy hits, and on the higher difficulties even the low level enemies can take like half your health if you're not careful
and second, that there's no clientside lag compensation, so depending on your connection and how precise you need to be with your specific build, you can get hit even when you thought you blocked or dodged perfectly

[ornate hamlet]

I'm not bug reporting but I just can't tolerate the graphical downgrade.

[brisk grove]

so yeah, it can be really frustrating to go back and be like "oh i just died and i didn't see what hit me, i should have been holding block 99% of the time"

[strong gulch]

I feel you.

Hopping from darktide to VT2 feel kinda jank.

[radiant frigate]

is lag compensation the reason dt becomes completely unplayable on 300 ping spikes

[strong gulch]

I still like the game and want to play it, but oof.

[radiant frigate]

i would like it more if necromancer was never released

[ornate hamlet]

Bruh all that shot would kill it for me if the graphics didn't.

Necromancer?

[midnight jolt]

I do have a gigabit fiber, I don't use WiFi on my PC(s), pretty much a high end router so lag will never be an issue for me I guess?

[strong gulch]

4th career for sienna in VT2

[brisk grove]

well the other thing is that vt2 is peer to peer, so you're at the mercy of whoever is hosting the game

[ornate hamlet]

Bruh when I played each had two aside from the free one

[midnight jolt]

ah I see, I guess I'll pass, I don't want to encounter what I call "wifi warriors" 😂

[strong gulch]

VT2 is host dependent.

[radiant frigate]

necromancer patch somehow funsamentally broke the game for me, conjured forth fps issues where there were none before

[umbral helm]

I invade in Dark Souls so p2p connections are something I've learned to accept all the oddities of

[midnight jolt]

Same

[ornate hamlet]

I want to invade if ds but I suck

[brisk grove]

i used to play max difficulty with my glass cannon build pretty well, but it was always my friend hosting so i get very used to the specific ping between me and him

[midnight jolt]

I invaded in Wo Long and Lords of the Fallen too 😂