psyker-class

[tidal violet]

It's honestly really hard to go back to any other kind of Psyker since grabbing Rupture for hard targets/assail for hordes, Scier's Gaze, and Disrupt Destiny. I just grab an autogun which might not kill on the first headshot but will quickly rack-up stacks and crit multipliers.

[harsh urchin]

Once you're level30 I recommend getting the weapons you want from Brunts armory rather than buying from the rotating shop

Actually you can still do that at lower levels

[tidal violet]

Then I go back to a warp-based psyker and need to sit in a corner and lower my peril.

[stone canyon]

This was the useless one right?

I guess ill get it incase buffed in patch someday

[tawny jetty]

Yeah

[tawny jetty]

Can you get the blaze blessing on trauma from upgrading to blue?

[rigid sky]

Is there a mod which changes brain rupture to testicular torsion

[analog agate]

Yes

[stone canyon]

Think i have played like 5 missions atleast

[rigid sky]

It's not bad... just worse than the other two in basicly every way

Although since some other weapons got buffed maybe it is just bad now

I love the random stab it has in L3

Slash, slash, fuck you in particular, slash...

[opaque charm]

That's a swap. Unless you are in a premade you are playing with at least one total incompetent 90% of the time

[rigid sky]

You want Deimos as a pseudo-duelling sword, or Illisi as a pseudo-Power Sword III

Or a Duelling Sword as a sweaty tryhard with style

(IV)

[dawn spoke]

I'm really coming around on the duelling sword, it feels so good when you're one-shotting elites by stabbing them in the face

[tawny jetty]

Yeah, I find myself walking towards maulers so I can stab them in the face w dueling sword.

[plush oak]

gaming (dont mind the damage taken vs attacks blocked)

[plush oak]

yeah the columnus is insane on every class its available on

this any good for gun psyker?

just rolled it idk what to keep and to change on it

[tawny jetty]

I think you need the close damage blessings. Dumdum and the other one. Base stats look good though

[mighty olive]

Honestly am not sure, I tried gun psyker this patch and it was horrible for me

Make shredder great again T_T

[ornate hamlet]

They did, it's called columnus

[ripe remnant]

Worth it or no?

[ornate hamlet]

Low damage and blazing spirit, kinda ew

[mighty olive]

No I sorry:(

[ornate hamlet]

Some people like unstable power and it does have maniac

But I wouldn't use it

[mighty olive]

I keep two force swords, one with deflector and slaughter, one with unstable power and slaughter

But I really don't use them much anymore, I like duel sword and dagger now >_<

[plush oak]

i absolutely love unstable power, this is the main sword i use

absolute banger

should prolly change melee crit hit dmg to maniac or smth but eh

been workin great as is for now

[ornate hamlet]

I use uncanny strike and shred, personally

[plush oak]

based

[ornate hamlet]

Helps proccing mettle and against carapace

Though I do wish we had a combo sword like the zealot's crusher

[plush oak]

i just use this on carapace 😏

[ornate hamlet]

or the mk9 heavy sword

Psyker's force swords are either an obnoxiously tight hitbox with a massive knockdown that makes it harder to hit headshots or the horde weapon that I slap rending on to cope and still take two years to take down a crusher

[plush oak]

xd

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Meanwhile power sword is out there two-shotting crushers and melting hordes

[plush oak]

illisi has a great horde combo of heavy 1 light 2 tho

we take the dubs we can xd

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, it's the backwards devil's claw 4

[plush oak]

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Pretty comfy

[plush oak]

also activating the illisi keepin it at 80+ peril with those blessings u shred through anything in front of you short of carapace

[tulip kettle]

brunt and hadron conspired to swindle me out of my hard earned mats btw

not even gonna waste the plasteel showing the other blessing

[plush oak]

happens

spent 10k plasteel today

[tulip kettle]

idk im used to hadron fucking me

[plush oak]

got hot garbage

[tulip kettle]

but brunt tempting me with that blue

[plush oak]

bro warp flurry 2 is so unfortunate

on a 372 no less 💀

[tulip kettle]

flurry 2 would be fine if i wanted it for quelling, but i wanted this for a surge/ nexus crusher one shot

[plush oak]

gonna have to dish out 10k more plasteel for that varlet

[ornate hamlet]

Crafted this here thing

[tulip kettle]

i think thats great

i love running all the autoguns with gunpsyker

my only issue with the graia was often needing 3 shots to kill trash

as you cant always get that crispy headshot when youre darting and sliding and such

only way that could possibly be better would be dumdum instead of speedload

but i also think speedload is a valid choice to keep shooting during scrier

[plush oak]

uu nicee

[ornate hamlet]

Its sole purpose is doing the phlog pyro

[plush oak]

a man of culture i see

[ornate hamlet]

I will hold W and M1 at ranged enemies and not die

I actually have another that has uhhh

Dumdum and deathspitter I think

[tulip kettle]

mk 8 really wants as close a spossible maxed for everything non mobility

so unless you have another with that godly of a stat roll i doubt its better

[ornate hamlet]

Nah, this one is probably the second best weapon I rolled in the game

Or arguably the best, considering stability is off by 1 point and the dump stat isn't abysmal

The supposed best would be my thunder hammer with 4 80s

[tulip kettle]

😮

[ornate hamlet]

I wanted to reroll because I wanted to see how it'd do without the crit

Felt like I was critting enough to keep empathic evasion up

[tulip kettle]

yeah and you also gain 5 rounds per mag

whioch works out to more than a whole mag worth of gain in that stat

[ornate hamlet]

Which is pretty comfy

I picked the graia because it's the longest mag per time

[tulip kettle]

nice man

[ornate hamlet]

The columnus has a bit more ammo but fires too fast

[tulip kettle]

and yeah that was my thought behind it

[ornate hamlet]

The agri doesn't have too much ammo

[tulip kettle]

best trade off of ammo / fire rate

[ornate hamlet]

So the graia is good for sustained fire

I think my current columnus has like 57 shots

Could be ammo roll, I don't remember the value

[tulip kettle]

with 57 its a pretty good roll anyway i think thats the max

[late night]

Isn’t + crit dmg doodoo

[devout robin]

it's less value than a raw damage buff yeah

[tulip kettle]

yeah

by less value

[devout robin]

much less tbh

[tulip kettle]

yeah its ususally like 1 or 2 dmg haha

[devout robin]

58 is the max btw

[tulip kettle]

nice ty, 58 with 80 roll anmd 57 with 79?

[spice veldt]

ye

ammo doesn't scale very much on the columnus compared to most other guns

50-60 (magazine) and 500-600 (reserve)

one of the guns that i'm fine with dumping ammo on

[tulip kettle]

so why do people seem to love the columnus over the mk 8?

[spice veldt]

compared to the graia and agri, the columnus has higher armour damage modifiers at close range

[plush oak]

dps

if u can control the recoil

[spice veldt]

so basically, it has the highest close range DPS among the IAGs

[plush oak]

its better imo

[tulip kettle]

lol it has no recoil

[spice veldt]

it also has the highest mobility

[plush oak]

this too

[spice veldt]

but this comes at the cost of having the lowest total babse damage per mag

another positive is that it has a 4-shot crit string

[plush oak]

wdym columnus has no recoil xd

if u spray a gunner at 30m+ u will feel it trust me

tho if u roll a 80 stability on it then it shouldnt be bad at all

[tulip kettle]

what does 4 shot crit string mean arco

[fickle onyx]

What blessings should I put on voidstrike?

[spice veldt]

when a crit is rolled, 4 consecutive shots will crit

instead of just a single shot critting

[tulip kettle]

i did not know about that mechanic at all

[spice veldt]

this leads to very healthy interactions https://streamable.com/h56i2e

[plush oak]

surge and warp nexus if u wanna go for nukes
warp flurry and smth else if u wanna rapid fire

[tulip kettle]

warp flurry and transfer peril

[plush oak]

thats juicy af

[spice veldt]

for reference, graia has a 3-shot crit string and agri has a 2-shot crit string

[fickle onyx]

Ah I see I see

[opaque charm]

Honestly if they fixed that then Columbus would be back in the toilet tier

[spice veldt]

crit strings are one reason why it has an edge but it's not the only reason

[plush oak]

warp flurry transfer peril as domshizzle said for rapid fire

[tulip kettle]

that clip explains everything thankyou

wtf

[spice veldt]

i've run a non-crit build on vet and it's been fine

[plush oak]

columnus my beloved

[spice veldt]

at the worst, the columnus will actually be balanced instead of just being able to abuse the shit out of its high crit damage multiplier

[opaque charm]

All I can say is, look how they massacred my boy (Shredder Auto-pistol)

[plush oak]

assail too

[spice veldt]

i mean, the autopistol was both nerfed (pinning fire nerf) and powercrept

[opaque charm]

I'm late to the assail party but I actually like it a lot

[spice veldt]

it wasn't a singular change that crippled the autopistol

[plush oak]

assail still god tier in hunting grounds tho

[plush oak]

it was much better before, now id much rather melee the horde than assail it

[opaque charm]

But it can 2 shot Damnation gunner elites

[orchid nest]

ideally you're doing both in a build that needs to melee hordes. quickswapping

[plush oak]

true, at least for my playstyle with illisi and blaze trauma id much rather have the brain rupture for those long range enemies

[orchid nest]

yeah I take BR with trauma as well, assail doesn't make as much sense there. for gunker though it helps a lot

[plush oak]

i still havent gotten dum dum for columnus yet and i refuse to play gunker before i get it

i got a 530 ish columnus ready for that dumdum infusion

[orchid nest]

did you check your other IAG's?

[opaque charm]

I need to remake this video and explain my build better, but I'm really enjoying Assail and Fanning Revolver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mp-TJoAX8M&

[plush oak]

IAGs?

[opaque charm]

Infantry Auto Gun

[orchid nest]

yeah the agrip and graia

[plush oak]

oh yeah

[orchid nest]

they share blessings

[plush oak]

hmm

i dont think i do but ill deffo check now

[opaque charm]

I'm desperate to play Gunpsyker without AIG and Scriers

[plush oak]

anyways i threw in the towel for today, ill check it out after work tmr

[tulip kettle]

could you please explain a little more about the crit string mechanic - is crit chance PRNG or how does it work? And am i right in assuming these extra crits in the crit string arent counted as crits for this determination, resulting in the interaction above? It seems like you should be at around 50% crit chance but you consistently land every crit outside of the crit chain

[plush oak]

isnt it painful to play IAGs without survivalist tho? 💀

[spice veldt]

the power of True Aim

[plush oak]

i guess i got spoiled by using it on vet

[opaque charm]

Yeah True Aim is great

[tulip kettle]

but i didnt see true aim counting up on your buffs bar

[orchid nest]

laspistol gunker is really good too. revolver also works but it's a different setup.

[spice veldt]

oh yeah, i have true aim moved to near my crosshair

a mod gives me an extra buff bar to move stuff to

[tulip kettle]

i see thats why i didnt notice it

my immedfiate thought was - thats gotta be true aim and replayed it like 5 times looking for the buff haha

[spice veldt]

4-shot crit strings does deranged stuff like turning a 40% crit chance into 72% crit chance

or 20% crit chance into 50% effective crit chance

a very sane and healthy mechanic

[tulip kettle]

dude thank you

[fickle onyx]

I was using nexus flurry
Wouldn't transfer just diminishes the damage alot when things go wrong?

[tulip kettle]

no it lets you cast infinitely

you combine it with battle meditation

and shoot bowling balls at headheight

it quells more peril than it costs often

[plush oak]

I like crouching and going for kneecaps with the voidstrike 💀

Deals with diff elevation pretty well

[fickle onyx]

Yeah with warp charges it quills more

[tulip kettle]

i think you either go nexus and surge / flurry and quell transfer

[fickle onyx]

Ah

Well fu I have to get another staff

[tulip kettle]

i have both but i much prefer the flurry transfer one

[plush oak]

Welcome to darktide

[tulip kettle]

why? what one do you have, did i miss it?

[fickle onyx]

Nvm got a decent one
Ty brunt

Ik Haddon gonna brick it

[tulip kettle]

void is very roll forgiving compared to others

[fickle onyx]

I can hear her laughter

[plush oak]

Brunt shafted me yesterday

[fickle onyx]

Got a void but blessing are locked

[tulip kettle]

but i do think you want maxed dmg if possible

ah, shame

[plush oak]

Spent 300k got 340 highest roll💀

[fickle onyx]

Yeah mf is stingy somedays

Spent that much on plasma

Got 2 good

Both of them got nuked by hadron

[tulip kettle]

the guy who helps people complete twins hard mode

[fickle onyx]

[long wharf]

my worst run is 500k dockets and not anything worth upgrading

[tulip kettle]

has a hammer he spent 29 million on

[plush oak]

[long wharf]

and then the game handed me an upgrade for my surge staff

[fickle onyx]

That
Rest in peace

[plush oak]

Bruh

[fickle onyx]

Emperor works in mysterious ways aint he

[tulip kettle]

really wanted that perfect roll i guess haha

[plush oak]

Thats for sure jeez😂

[fickle onyx]

I went to hadron
I just saw 3 plasteel total

I already wanna go sleep

[tulip kettle]

quick hab dreyko stg

in and out, 20 mins

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-break-down-crying-fml-gif-10286766

[fickle onyx]

director: im about to ruin this guy's career

[long wharf]

more like "[AI Director] And I took that personally."

[fickle onyx]

Director takes it personally every mission for some reason

[long wharf]

ain't that the truth

[tulip kettle]

oh you broke coherency for 5 seconds?

enjoy the hound flamer bomber mutant trapper sniper combo

[long wharf]

here comes a clown car of 47 ragers

the spawning didn't used to be this bad

[fickle onyx]

oh they dealing with ragers and specials? Stealth bomber it is than!

[long wharf]

FartShack fucked with spawning the last couple patches

oh no, not just one either - 7 stealth poxbursters

[tulip kettle]

i played yesterday and died 3 times, 2 times was getting blasted off the map by stealthburster

[fickle onyx]

I swear the latest update made it worse
It wasn't like this even with reworks

Reworks update came

[long wharf]

as an aside, I'm enjoying using Surge staff more now that I have one hitting important breakpoints on flak/maniac

[fickle onyx]

I do enjoyed it but they removed massive explosions and put them on crits

[tulip kettle]

i cant get along with surge staff at all and im sure its because im doing something wrong

[fickle onyx]

It just doesn't feel the same

[long wharf]

if you crit often enough, you don't miss it

[fickle onyx]

Surge is really funi

[long wharf]

I still think surge isn't in a good place right now

[fickle onyx]

Best I can do is like 25%

Nah sure just builds too much heat

For hitting 2 enemies

[tulip kettle]

thats what i was finding

[long wharf]

it shouldn't do less damage on multiple targets

[tulip kettle]

shoot 3 charged shots from 0 peril to 100

kill 3 trash units

[long wharf]

not when void can do full damage on 10

[tulip kettle]

also

am i insane

when they first released surge

[long wharf]

not when purge does full damage with infinite cleave

[tulip kettle]

did its primary fire also used to be lightning?

[long wharf]

nope

never

[tulip kettle]

thats wild

i swear i have that as a memory

[long wharf]

you must have had a fever dream

"perils of the warp" indeed

[tulip kettle]

its MY dream

i can dream what i want

[long wharf]

but why does a dream hurt?

[tulip kettle]

why did i dream myself as a pack mule...

[fickle onyx]

My beloved said, sibling is sleep deprived

[cinder niche]

Just got back after a year does this class still get dunked on in t4-5 is brain burst still trash

[cold ivy]

surge staff should chain way more... like 3-4 times and 10m latch distance per chain, prioritizing specials/elites

[long wharf]

psyker never got dunked on in heresy+

[cold ivy]

then it'd have a niche of priority target deletion without needing to aim

[long wharf]

but it's in a far better place now than on release

arguably the most versatile class in the game

many good ways to play it now

BB is still trash (IMO)

[cinder niche]

That was my main problem if there’s still ways to work around it probably will main it

[prime elk]

BB is better now but requires specific builds

Wouldn’t consider it trash

[tulip kettle]

its honestly pretty good monstrosity dps if you build for it

nothing compared to that columnus clip above though...

[prime elk]

Well gunker is just in a class of its own

[cinder niche]

Seems good with the creeping flames I’m also low level so what do I know lol

[long wharf]

ehhh, BB really isn't "good" dps

[tulip kettle]

idk

[prime elk]

BB isn’t really for dps anyway imo

[tulip kettle]

i can get 8 charged bursts off in about 12 seconds

[long wharf]

without EP stacks, it's a full 3 seconds between pops

[tulip kettle]

yeah like i say you build for it

[prime elk]

It’s mainly for sniping elites and specials

[tulip kettle]

its great for that too

[prime elk]

Yeah

[tulip kettle]

1 shots gunners

[long wharf]

BB has always been for sniping hard to reach enemies

[prime elk]

Yep

[tulip kettle]

agreed thats its main use

[long wharf]

so, it's good I guess to be able to do that better

[tulip kettle]

picking out priority targets

[long wharf]

but it's easy to go a whole mission without using BB

[prime elk]

With the right build you can just wipe out a wave of specials casually

[tulip kettle]

but with 3 warp charges and kinetic resonance

EP charges*

[long wharf]

it's been my experience that I only ever use BB when my team is failing to hit the high-value targets

[prime elk]

Try it again with wall shield and kinetic resonance

With ep of course

[plush oak]

So 8/10 solo q games?

[tulip kettle]

thats why i value it

[plush oak]

Prolly like 9/10 actually

[tulip kettle]

oh a mauler is about to down a team mate?

Pop

that guy is struggling to open the bulwark?

pop

[plush oak]

BOOOOOMM TRAUMA STAFF

[tulip kettle]

hahah true normally void strike goes

but sometimes you just cant

[long wharf]

I basically never run with BB

[plush oak]

Aiming is hard

😦

[long wharf]

I prefer assail+surge+bubble right now

[plush oak]

Hmm never paired assail with surge before

[tulip kettle]

and again dumping 3 EP bb then 3 more bb then using ability and dumping 4+ more BB

[plush oak]

Is it any good?

[long wharf]

well, I prefer assail(focus)+void+vent for heresy- pugs

[tulip kettle]

i run that but burst

its just a taste thing

[plush oak]

Same

Bb surge illisi bubble

[tulip kettle]

i think assail is much better with surge staff but i dont understand surge staff so maybe thats wrong

[long wharf]

assail can pair well with surge if you treat assail as the devs intended - bursts of killing crowds

I run illisi with assail+surge

I run ds4 with assail+void

[prime elk]

Assail pairs work pretty much anything tbh

[tulip kettle]

i hate assail and am a pariah here for it

[plush oak]

I just recently discovered how good illisi is, been using mk4 dueling sword till now

[prime elk]

Nah I hate it too

[tulip kettle]

yeah illisi is the best horde clear melee for psyker i found

still just poor mans power sword tho

[long wharf]

you have that backwards

[tulip kettle]

heh

[plush oak]

Honestly i think we got shafted with the psyker blitzes. Theres nothing that i can say yea thats very stronk. They are all just kinda meh

[long wharf]

power sword is the vet's poor man's Illisi

[plush oak]

True that

[prime elk]

Ehhhhh

Ps is pretty bonkers

[tulip kettle]

idk i have that 2 extra charged swings on my vets power sword

[idle plover]

Dueling saber is nice horde clearer too with scriers

[tulip kettle]

feels stronk

[long wharf]

vets wish the power sword could work against the horde the Illisi can

I have a god-rolled power sword

[plush oak]

I wish we had power cycler on illisi imagine that

[long wharf]

that I don't use because I hate constantly charging it every 3rd/4th swing

[cinder niche]

What’s a illisi

[prime elk]

Would make illisi bonkers too

[tulip kettle]

one of the force swords

[spice veldt]

psword does better because it has brutal momentum

[long wharf]

can you imagine? power warp cycler with bloodthirsty on illisi?

[plush oak]

Yessir. Power cycler carries ps honestly

[long wharf]

man, that makes my pants moist

[spice veldt]

the mk6 also has the PA -> l4 combo

[long wharf]

almost as much as the original bloodthirsty blessing with blazing spirit on Illisi

[spice veldt]

you can either build your psword to 3-shot crushers with pa -> l4 -> l1 or 2-shot with pa -> l4

[long wharf]

RIP soulblaze force sword fun

[plush oak]

I run slaughterer with the one that scales power with peril i cant remember what its called

[long wharf]

the downside to that is that I only use the Illisi for horde clear

literally nothing else

I'm already cutting through the horde like buttah

[plush oak]

U got other tools gor everything else

[long wharf]

no need to slap peril damage ramp on top of slaughterer

so I go slaughterer+deflector

[plush oak]

i want 80% power

UNLIMITED POWER

I want to overkill the shit out of a poor poxwalker

[long wharf]

gimme a blessing that makes charged force sword hits cause a lightning cascade ala surge/smite

[plush oak]

Better yet make that into a power sword

[eager token]

how am i supposed to use illisi, just heavy light chains?

[plush oak]

Give the deimos that

[plush oak]

Pretty much h1 l2

[prime elk]

That’d be sick

[long wharf]

if you have the room, heavy1 into light2, repeat

[tulip kettle]

you want to charge the H1 if you can

[long wharf]

otherwise, you can effectively spam light attacks

[plush oak]

Or just spam m1 works like a charm too if u stack power blessings 😂

[eager token]

i have deflector 4 and the rending blessing 4 on mine i think

[long wharf]

yeah, light spam with slaughterer does the trick all the way through damnation

[plush oak]

Yup

I only play auric damnation and i can confirm this

[eager token]

i should get me a dueling sword

[plush oak]

Especially with the 20% power from peril on top of it

[plush oak]

Slaughterer stacks 5 times right?

5x 8% at t4?

[plush oak]

Mk4 rocks with scriers gaze

[eager token]

now that’s tempting

[plush oak]

Just mash that m1

[eager token]

is m4 the stabby stab

[spice veldt]

normal spam works, though special spam is the ideal way to use the illisi if you can afford the peril and space

[cinder niche]

Where is slaughter on the tree I stg I’m blind

[prime elk]

Yes

[prime elk]

They’re talking about blessings you can get on weapons

[prime elk]

And mk4 is the shit. Such a nice weapon

[cinder niche]

Don’t mind me I’m an ogryn trying to steal your setups 😂

[prime elk]

Welcome to the shouties channel

[opaque charm]

What elites does Venting shriek stagger?

[idle plover]

Which keystone is most beneficial to brain rupture

[hot zephyr]

Empowered Psyonics imo. The extra damage and cost reduction makes it feels a lot more powerful

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone wanna do twins hm? Am ogryn goobershooter 😌

[prime elk]

EP mandatory

And if you want to use BB a lot, take wall shield and that speed up skill modifier

[hot zephyr]

It's a shame you can't get Malific Momentum in a BR/EP build

[stone canyon]

Picked from shop, Uncanny+Precog as with Zealot?

[hot zephyr]

Uncanny + Flesh Tearer or Uncanny + Riposte are the "recommended" mark 6 builds as far as I am aware

[near wyvern]

Uncanny + flesh tearer is top DPS multi and single target

Spam push attacks on heads whenever you can and if there is a lot of trash spread wide do L1H2, you can mix it up with push attacks as the flow changes. The push attack strings into 2 so you want the attack after a push attack to be a heavy.

[zinc phoenix]

found a build i dont hate, just had a nice clean auric mael with it

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b0bdaec-4701-4cea-9ae6-a7960e96e9ab

[stone canyon]

Ok, i got decent amount of blessings for it from Zealot so i might try around couple different ones, only IV one is precog though hence id like to see if it works

[tropic scarab]

Double wall shield > Dome shield

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean?

[zinc phoenix]

basic idea is you mostly blaze trauma and occasionally hit bubble when needed to support somebody with toughness regen and protect, but with the option to empower bb the fuck out of stuff as needed

[tulip kettle]

wait im an idiot ignore me

[zinc phoenix]

i wanted to try some stuff i dont usually run

[prime elk]

Wall better for bb imo

[zinc phoenix]

so no wc, no shriek (which caused me to boom lmao)

[hot zephyr]

If you take Brain Rupture in the tree, you can't access MM as you need to take smite or assail to get it

[zinc phoenix]

im more interested in the toughness regen than the bouncing or the blocking tho

[tulip kettle]

yeah i immediately realised you didnt mean the MM penance

[zinc phoenix]

i dont disagree on the double charge

[tulip kettle]

why run 3 HP curios?

[zinc phoenix]

because not getting spanked by crusher good

[wind spruce]

just dodge

[tulip kettle]

or have more toughness

[prime elk]

Yeah fair. I just like the synergy between wall and kinetic resonance

[zinc phoenix]

look, sometimes on literally the highest possible difficulty of the hardest mode in the game i miss a dodge on a crusher overhead and id like to not have that be run ending

[tulip kettle]

i think he was joking dude 😄

[zinc phoenix]

lol

[tulip kettle]

but surely its better to get more toughness? whats your toughness with this build, 95?

[zinc phoenix]

its definitely there but most of the time im not actually usin that kinetic resonance, i just want to not be completely defenseless against the nurgle blessing crushers who laugh at stagger

[wind spruce]

uh crusher overheads still oneshot you with three toughness curios

three hp***

[tulip kettle]

yea i dont think you should take 3

[zinc phoenix]

i think one of the curios has another 5% health

i also shrug off sniper shots and other shit

[wind spruce]

ok im in the psykhanium will report back in a few minutes

[prime elk]

Yah it’s a preference thing. Dome is good too

[zinc phoenix]

theres also a ton of instant toughness break stuff

[tulip kettle]

dome is just so valuable vs BoN

[zinc phoenix]

i honestly dont rate dome for blocking stuff, i mostly like the regen

being able to just make a teammate not killable in melee however much they fuck up is handy

[prime elk]

Same

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I used to stack toughness/toughness curios but I switched to health/wound/stam recently and it's been a lot smoother

[zinc phoenix]

ive been considering a stam with 2 health because i like double stam on vet so much

but like... roleplay

psyker skip leg day for mind day

🧠

[flint plover]

2 str 2 stam leather belt

roleplay

[zinc phoenix]

literally nothin but leather

also i took crit chance aura because 90% of psyker seem to run cooldown

so like lmao

may as well not stack on em

[wind spruce]

2 x 21% health curio, 1 x 20 health, 3 x 5% health perks, 10% health talent

crusher still one shots

[tulip kettle]

so like

i thought toughness worked as a damage mitigation thing

[lethal lagoon]

Sounds like you need peak psyker gaming;

[tulip kettle]

when you have full toughness you get 100% dmg mitigation

[wind spruce]

hot

[tulip kettle]

and if you have less than 100% toughness you take damage proportional to the amount of toughness remaining

is this not correct?

[wind spruce]

depends on the type of enemy attack

usually, yes

[lethal lagoon]

No, if an attack does more than 100% of your toughness it does HP damage

[wind spruce]

but crusher overheads are too strong

[tulip kettle]

okay but because the way the curios stack diminishingly

if you took 1 toughness instead wouldnt your EHP be higher?

[lethal lagoon]

Ima bout to go see how my "peak psyker" handles a crusher overhead

[wind spruce]

but, yeah, if a poxwalker hits you at 100% toughness you take 0 hp damage

the second poxwalker hit will take away hp depending on how much total toughness you have left

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats my understanding too

but so i dont know the exact forumla im sure someone does

but if one hp curio gives you +25% hp

the next one will only give you 18%

and the next 12

so surely its better to go 2 HP curios and 1 toughness if youre trying to maximise ?

idk ive not done the math

[wind spruce]

with 185 health and 215 toughness it still oneshots

[ionic atlas]

finally beat hard mode twins

assail doing work

[wind spruce]

nah bro, each 20% health curio will give you 30 health on psyker

[tulip kettle]

right

[wind spruce]

diminishing returns due to multiplicative scaling only occurs when youre REDUCING the percentage of something, eg with damage reduction curios, block efficiency and toughness damage reduction

[tulip kettle]

okay its not diminishing

[opaque charm]

Taking health curious is really silly imo

[lethal lagoon]

Peak psyker has fallen o7

[tulip kettle]

but if 20% gives you 30 and puts you on 180 hp

[zinc phoenix]

mauler deffo wont

[left dagger]

oo i see. gonna go with shred in that case since gonna focus on single target multi-poke. running either Shriek/ Smite so wont be using assail weaving

[tulip kettle]

the next one should give you 36hp

but it doesnt

[wind spruce]

its 20% of base

[tulip kettle]

yeah indeed

[wind spruce]

because its additive scaling, in this case

[lethal lagoon]

It is diminishing returns, he just didn't explain it right. You get less % of your total HP with each added health curio.

[opaque charm]

In what scenario are you getting melee'ed multiple times in a row without restoring your toughness?

[tulip kettle]

yeah i used the wrong terminology

[wind spruce]

yeah, i spose if you look at it that way

[lethal lagoon]

That's why generally the optimal curio set up is never 3 toughness or 3 health

[tulip kettle]

at the same time i can see why you might think to take more HP curios on psyker

[wind spruce]

yeah but 215 toughness 😉

[tulip kettle]

because 20% of 150 is a lot more than 17% of 0 or whatever the base is

[opaque charm]

Stacking max toughness is always best imo

[tulip kettle]

60*

[wind spruce]

more toughness is good, because the more toughness you have remaining the less damage you take on swing from things that DONT instantly break your toughness

[lethal lagoon]

[opaque charm]

Don't melee with crushers. Kill them from range. Same with Ragers

[tulip kettle]

i usually do 2 toughness 1 HP because most builds stam feels useless

and wounds are also useless

[lethal lagoon]

Mk4 dueling sword is one of the most effective anti crusher weapons in the game. Just takes practices and not lagging.

Also hyper effective on ragers

Illy force sword will also stun ragers with it's special

[opaque charm]

Yes I agree it's amazing to - OOPS U GOT SMOOSHED

[lethal lagoon]

I can't remember the last time I got smooshed

😦

[wind spruce]

o7

[tulip kettle]

lol said anyone in the nerdiest of the nerd discords

[opaque charm]

Well it's safer to make your Psyker able to kill Crushers at range anyway

[lethal lagoon]

Eh, you learn by going outside your comfert zone

[tulip kettle]

and THIS is why i dont like gunpsyker

[prime elk]

Sometimes it’s not an option to kill them at range tbf

[tulip kettle]

its all fun and games until crusher pack

[prime elk]

Gotta be ready

[lethal lagoon]

Playing melee psyker makes you better at all classes

And playstyles

[spice veldt]

only maulers and crushers do this, and it's specifically on their overheads

well, ranged attacks also do that as well

but for melee attacks, only mauler and crusher overheads do the same thing as ranged attacks

[lethal lagoon]

Which class has the lowest base toughness?

I wanna go test if any of the bosses can bleed through 100% toughness

[spice veldt]

ogryn has 50 toughness but they also have 36% innate toughness DR

so psyker has the lowest at 60

[opaque charm]

After playing all 4 classes I've leaned that using Melee as the primary solution is not only very dangerous but also simply results in less damage over all. Want proof? Look at Zealot scores. 90% of the time Zealot is last on the Scoreboard, and by a lot

[tulip kettle]

so when i take a +17% toughness curio, is it increasing it by 17% of 60 or 70% oh whatever it would be after my talents?

[spice veldt]

after your talents

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like pub psykers are generally the worst atm. Also Melee Ogryn are functionally immortal, so I dunno about that.

[spice veldt]

so if you've got 4x +15 toughness nodes, you'll have 120 * 1.17 = something toughness

[tulip kettle]

again, thank you

[spice veldt]

maffs

[wind spruce]

the reason I like toughness over health, an example:

212 health and 117 toughness

Two pox walkers swings set me to 158 health, ie, does 54 damage

Boost myself to 212 health and 156 toughness

Two poxwalkers swings now set me to 172 health, ie 40 damage

[opaque charm]

It depends on if it's a surge psyker I think. Ogryn has a ton of damage because they spread bleeds all the time.

Zealot is usually in the dumpster with less than 300k

[tulip kettle]

i have an ogryn build that always comes bottom dmg lol

[spice veldt]

well, they are pub players and if you dogmatically use your melee, then you're sure to lose out

melee is fairly safe as long as you keep on spamming dodges

[lethal lagoon]

I mean that's just a point that playing melee is hard 🤷‍♂️

Wrong reply, but works fine.

[spice veldt]

the game gives you nice benefits like lag compensation for dodges (against certain attacks) and how dodges against melees work

[long wharf]

for me, there are two remaining reasons for +health over +toughness on the psyker

1. we have a larger health pool, so not only do we get bigger %s on curios, the values go farther

2. there are still enemy attacks that do more toughness damage than health damage

3. a larger health pool helps against corruption

[tulip kettle]

i dont think you shouldnt take any

i just think 3 is probably not optimal

[long wharf]

I run 2 health and 1 +3 stamina

[ionic needle]

what build is that?

[long wharf]

fingers aren't working right

[tulip kettle]

its my giga tank build

tanks and aggroes everything forever

takes literally 0 dmg

kills stuff slowly

[long wharf]

honestly, it's a little silly, but right now Vets have the tankiest build

[tulip kettle]

so just aggro everything keep it staggered and let my team mates kill it

idk slab shield too good imo

with + 3 stam curio

[long wharf]

Vets can get stupid high toughness DR that regenerates by dodging

as well as getting stamina back by dodging

[tulip kettle]

yeah they need it though in theory to duel gunners and stuff right

[spice veldt]

zealot's the one with toughness and toughness DR on dodges (second wind and good balance)

[tulip kettle]

unlike psyker who can cast a bubble

[long wharf]

and, at the same time, can literally run through enemy attacks with reckless abandon

[tulip kettle]

i always found zealot extremely tanky

[long wharf]

I'm talking about the vet build that does that

[tulip kettle]

but ogryn has bonus dmg reduction at low hp

and dmg reduction vs bleeding

cant it get over 90% tdr?

[wind spruce]

1. When comparing Psyker to Psyker, is this relevant?
2. Yeah, fair enough
3. how often is non-downed corruption even relevant? It very, very rarely is for me

[long wharf]

get jumped by a dog

poxburster gets too close

get netted for a split second

that corruption is a larger % of your health with a smaller health pool

[tulip kettle]

touch fire even with a toe

[spice veldt]

fire doesn't instantly break your toughness anymore

[long wharf]

used to be worse, but still takes only a few frames more to kill your toughness

[tulip kettle]

lol no just feels that way

[long wharf]

yeah, it's not a whole lot better

and now fire rapidly deletes health, where it didn't before

[spice veldt]

i consider it much better since flamers are easier to rush down in melee

[long wharf]

classic FartShack incompetence

[spice veldt]

since getting shot by them a single time stripped all of your toughness

[opaque charm]

"I heard you don't take toughness curios"

[visual estuary]

I tested this last night with this staff and I saw a pretty big difference when I swapped the perks out with unyielding and manianc. Thanks for the recommendation. Kinda nice to be able to just spam.

[spice veldt]

i like my toughness for just being able to be very forward since i often have pub teammates who both don't take toughness and don't know how to mitigate ranged attacks through the power of dodge spamming

i can't trust my teammates to trade toughness, so i stack that shit

[marsh wharf]

Is there a point to running brain blast + surge staff?

[visual estuary]

Just hang out in my bubble.

You'll get all of the toughness and then some.

[spice veldt]

i do more damage up close, and rushing in melee makes ranged enemies swap tomelee

[visual estuary]

Yea yea I know someone is gonna say "bubble is for babies".

[spice veldt]

easier to aim and enemies swap to the easier-to-deal-with melee

[visual estuary]

I blame the devs with all of the gunners.

[opaque charm]

More toughness = you gain more toughness. Easy

[visual estuary]

Well when I was reading in detail the perks that I have, you'll still gain your toughness back rather quickly if you are inside of the bubble, just let the enemies come to us, unless...crushers of course.

In which case I'll just stun the shit out of them.

[wind spruce]

That's fair enough

For anyone wondering:

Poxburster - 50 corruption damage
Dog - 44 corruption damage, then corruption over time (5 damage first tick, 15 or so from there)
Netter - 2, then 5, then 7, then 9 corruption damage ticks per 3-5s (didnt exactly time it)

[spice veldt]

that's slower and it's boring to wait for enemies to come to you

especially when ranged enemies don't pressure you 90% of the time and just sit in place unless they're stalkers which are trivially pushed anyways

[wind spruce]

10% toughness per second isnt really a lot

[visual estuary]

Better than nothing

[spice veldt]

and if there's a bubble, then that's a piece of reliable cover

[visual estuary]

And coherency should boost that more should it not?

[wind spruce]

You don't have nothing though, you have like 4 other talents that restore toughness

[spice veldt]

and the bubble will disappear in ~6 seconds if ranged attacks continuously pelt it

[wind spruce]

Coherency doesnt restore toughness during combat

[visual estuary]

Ah ok

I figured as much

[spice veldt]

it doesn't regenerate toughness when you're near an enemy

it still regenerates as long as you weren't recently hit and are not close to an enemy

[wind spruce]

I stand corrected

[visual estuary]

I mean, if we've got so many gunners that they are causing my bubble to crumble in 6 seconds, we are doing something wrong.

[spice veldt]

the shield has something along the lines of ~20 hp

each ranged attack deals 1 damage

a ranged attack causes an invuln period of 0.33 seconds

[visual estuary]

I would think that with the right group, my bubble shouldn't be disappearing every 6 seconds.

[spice veldt]

it only takes 20 spaced shots to take downa bubble

[opaque charm]

Imo you need the 10 to 33% tdr skill and max toughness then just make sure you are doing things to gain toughness and you can withstand a lot of shooters

[spice veldt]

there's also empathic evasion and just spamming dodges

[visual estuary]

That and, no offense, standing out in the open like I've had some groups do and then pikachu face when gunners just mow them down, I know sometimes it's unavoidable in terms of positioning

As a psyker I should be mowing those gunners down, so if we are getting overwhelmed by gunners, I'm really doing something wrong.

[wind spruce]

Two dreg gunners will kill your bubble in one clip

[paper loom]

Whats the best way of getting dmg score up with gun psyker? I just had a round clapping snipers and gunners etc but my score was terrible at the end because I'm limited with 5 shots can't just blast dregs

[visual estuary]

Those dreg gunners should be on the ground the minute I see them. If they aren't and they are pelting that shield, I'm not doing my job.

[spice veldt]

preferably have something that effectively deals with your chaff and save your revolver for the good stuff i suppose

if you want a more generalist gun, go for the columnus or something

[paper loom]

I use smite

Bit save it for maulers, crushers or ragers

Due to constant crying if I use it on hordes got sick of hearing it

[visual estuary]

Granted, I'm not the best psyker, I main a combat knife + flame thrower with the zealot but the pain point there is relying on others to take those gunners down.

I know I should trust, but sometimes...you get a bad comp of a team and nothing against the team, sometimes it just gets overlooked.

I'm the crazy guy diving right into the middle of it all. If I really want to deal with gunners I'll bring a revolver so I can hit them through the horde.

[spice veldt]

yeah it's pub matches and you can't reliably expect to be matchmaked with a team that rounds itself out

[visual estuary]

Yea I mean, I get it, people want to play what they like

[spice veldt]

i will never run non-generalist builds

[visual estuary]

I run a martyrdom build with the zealot.

[spice veldt]

i'm on that momentum crusher grindset

[visual estuary]

Probably not the best thing to run but I like the rush I get when I'm down to 1 wound on maelstrom.

[paper loom]

Can someone explain why smiting hordes causes everyone to moan?

[wind spruce]

It stops them bunching up and being easy to kill, simples

[opaque charm]

Use Assail

[near wyvern]

Columnus IAG with Assail and Creeping flames.

[visual estuary]

Reminds me of the good ole days with the zealot build back in Vermintide 2, but...no temp health so I hold onto a potion cuz you know...scared hahaha 😂

[spice veldt]

cuz i have to walk into a grid pattern to kill the horde

smiting a pure horde means that your melee teammates are dealing less DPS since enemies aren't gathering up

[paper loom]

I started using smite because everyone was moaning about assail lol

[tribal shale]

The time spent smiting a hoard could better used just charging in with melee. I usually save my smite for a bulwark pack personally.

[visual estuary]

Assail is still good I think

[wind spruce]

it also pisses off your siblings using literally any staff

[spice veldt]

i'm aware that a smite psyker can kill a horde so I just leave them alone and run ahead

[opaque charm]

Assail revolver (or Fanning Revolver) very good imo

[spice veldt]

i treat smite psykers like purg psykers nowadays basically

[visual estuary]

Sorry I'm a little out of the loop and not all that well versed with psyker, but learning, what is smite?

[spice veldt]

the middle blitz

[paper loom]

The lightning abilty

[visual estuary]

OOOOOO

I like those psykers though

[paper loom]

It's cc

[spice veldt]

i have virtually hate all pub smite psykers

just like I hated patch 12 pub surge psykers

[visual estuary]

They are really nice to have though if I'm building up peril a litte too fast.

[prime elk]

Mfers doing nothing but spamming smite all game

[visual estuary]

I get a little breather

[near wyvern]

Smiting + creeping flames + wildfire on it and the horde will die by itself tho

[prime elk]

They’re a lot less common in higher difficulties

[paper loom]

Yea smite saves you when you get huge rager packs

[spice veldt]

yeah if you introduce venting shriek into the equation, then they'll die faster

[visual estuary]

I love the smiters because they just keep the crushers stunned and then I can just boom boom with the voidstrike staff to the head.

[spice veldt]

smite just introduces a radical gameplay change and most players expect to usually fight hordes

[prime elk]

Honestly ragers aren’t a big issue

[spice veldt]

i treat smite like purg nowadays

[paper loom]

How does that work? Does it increase the stacks?

[prime elk]

Esp compared to p13 ragers

[opaque charm]

Assail + Venting shriek will kill hordes and lots of elites faster

[wind spruce]

you dont need the smite part of the equation

[zinc phoenix]

dummies hold the smite button down and keep everything stationary and annoying to kill. if you pop it quick to peril up, shriek fire on it all and then everything dies no one really cares

[spice veldt]

i made the mistake of playing the normal board once and I met the most annoying smite psyker

[visual estuary]

Imma post my psyker build later and see what y'all think.

[spice veldt]

the bastard had a purg staff but just smited pure hordes for some reason

[near wyvern]

Kinda extreme example here

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[spice veldt]

and consistently smited melee elites out of ranged

[visual estuary]

Yea I barely see a smite psyker in damnation or even maelstrom.

[near wyvern]

@wind spruce check the video, yes you do need the smite

[spice veldt]

i see them often on NA west

[ionic needle]

Really? I see smite constantly in maelstrom and damnation

[visual estuary]

I play NA west so that's probably why I see them every so often

[near wyvern]

Without smite there is no point in taking wildfire for creeping flames

[visual estuary]

Could just be when I play. I normally don't hop on until 1 AM MST.

[prime elk]

I play na west and I don’t see them too often anymore

[prime elk]

Ahh maybe

[paper loom]

I only play damnation

[visual estuary]

Oddly enough I normally see veterans these days.

[zinc phoenix]

i only see smite psykers when i run smite

[wind spruce]

you can do that without smite, whats really doing work is creeping flames + PERILOUS COMBUSTION

[zinc phoenix]

which of course is really kewl and helpful

[spice veldt]

i'm on that veteran grindset nowadays because psyker has gotten boring for me now

I'm waiting on psyker to get a proper precision force staff, and no the voidstrike does not count

[visual estuary]

It's not so much the classes that annoy me, it's some of the people that I've played with that annoy me. I get that no one is perfect, but please...don't push so hard that you are leaving the rest of us behind, and then get mad when you go down because you aggro'd a horde of crushers.

[near wyvern]

Yeah but without smite all those will be on you. Now they just spaz until they die. Relaxed gaming.

[zinc phoenix]

voidstrike teeny ball is worse than old left click for accuracy

[wind spruce]

not with my trauma staff in play, they wont

[zinc phoenix]

blessed blaze trauma

does nothing to muties tho

[near wyvern]

Crushers will, they get immunity for a while once they get up. Can't stay in a corner.

[opaque charm]

If you wanna get bored of vet play this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MxSAAQNU_qU&

[near wyvern]

But nothing protects from the lightning

[zinc phoenix]

tbf staying in corner is pretty suicidal

[visual estuary]

What's the high risk/high reward psyker build?

[paper loom]

That shield that stops mutants is best imo

[zinc phoenix]

like if a couple bombers had come in and popped off youd have nowhere to go

[near wyvern]

Not if you do it right

[zinc phoenix]

theres no right way to leave yourself nowhere to go

[opaque charm]

Hold down lmb to kill everything

[visual estuary]

Yea if we get pushed into a corner, we are screwed.

And I'm not doing something right.

[near wyvern]

In a house like that it's not me who is locked in, it's the enemy who is locked in with me. No bomber can approach that corner and get a bomb off before getting into the flame stun lock

[visual estuary]

Using voidstrike over the past couple of days, I shouldn't be letting any trash mobs get close, and even then assail should deal with them.

[zinc phoenix]

crusher stagger immunity is a couple beats vs trauma, you will run into it all the time with flurry but its pretty rare with blaze/nexus

[spice veldt]

oh don't worry i'm playing a very braindead build on vet as well

[wind spruce]

I love blaze trauma, but im working on a new build that goes back to rending shockwave

[spice veldt]

i'm on a columnus IAG mk6 psword VoC

[wind spruce]

Soulblaze scales with rending 😉

[zinc phoenix]

thats kinda fun

i was trying that with the sb perks and flurry rending

[visual estuary]

Is there an updated scoreboard?

Noticed some of you using a different scoreboard compared to what I'm using.

[zinc phoenix]

idk why people like scoreboard tbh

[shadow wigeon]

Scrier's builds, really. Pakcing on damage at higher risk. Void makes the most sense.
It's not a huge reward though.

[zinc phoenix]

surely you can just fluff in the bathroom

[shadow wigeon]

Scrier's Purg is my favourite risky build

[wind spruce]

Best scoreboard mod is Ovenproof's Extension Its the only one without broken damage calculations

[visual estuary]

I like to so how well I'm doing.

[spice veldt]

ye the ovenproof one

and the developer is known to be actively working on it

[wind spruce]

guns make the most sense

[visual estuary]

I'll check it out.

[zinc phoenix]

i feel like the best way to rack up goofy damage numbers is to masssively overkill everything

[spice veldt]

i like the scoreboard so that I can be assured that my build is good

[shadow wigeon]

He asked about high risk/reward

[zinc phoenix]

its not useful at all but by god

[wind spruce]

Yeah he's making a new mod that tracks like fkn everything, he showed me a bit of a preview and it looks epic

[spice veldt]

ovenproof's scoreboard properly cuts off overkill damage

[upper sun]

im almost afraid to ask here but are there any recommended assail builds?

[zinc phoenix]

soulblaze builds in shambles lmao

[spice veldt]

the default scoreboard has the problem of not cutting off overkill on your killing blow

[visual estuary]

Yea I tend to get this with assail. I regularly get anywhere from 125-150k overkill damage.

My build isn't fantastic against bosses though

I let others deal with the bosses and I deal with the mobs.

[upper sun]

yeah i have that problem too, assail is great when you dont trust your teammates

good waveclear good elite damage but no boss damage

[visual estuary]

Well the nice thing about assail is with my build, I went down the middle tree, I get to throw a bunch of shards and not deplete them.

[near wyvern]

It works nice with the new laspistol and EP assails as well

[visual estuary]

Yup, typically I've been using assail and voidstrike interchangeably. I won't use assail until we start getting overrun and then it's..."whew ok assail saved me yet again."

Now if it's a horde of specials then I'm like "damn ok can't use this start spamming voidstrike and just knock them down."

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b0bdaec-4701-4cea-9ae6-a7960e96e9ab i been doin this and havin a good time

[upper sun]

i used to do gun psyker with it

[zinc phoenix]

psychic leeching why so bad

[upper sun]

but i got a really nice void staff not too long ago

[wind spruce]

Assail + las pistol is epic af, if you learn how to switch between them real fast (two shards, switch to pistol)

Your shards inherit the bonus crit chance, perks and blessings (which should be dum dum and inferno) meaning they literally light shit up

[zinc phoenix]

seriously obesefish vet gets like massive overtough shout and we get "heres a penny, enjoy"

psyker, the keystone cops

[visual estuary]

I might try this

A fast psyker with laspistol and shards.

[upper sun]

actually lemme fire up the game and copy my builds

[visual estuary]

I will definitely need to change my build up though.

[shadow wigeon]

Bubble is the equivalent, and it is very strong.

[spice veldt]

crits are rolled once the shards are thrown, so they don't inherit any extra crit chance if you swap to the laspistol

[wind spruce]

blaze trauma isnt worth it without creeping flames, switch to rending and cast time imo

[visual estuary]

Is there any build that would involve the combat knife with a psyker?

[wind spruce]

true true, still dum dum + inferno is grouse

[near wyvern]

Agripinaa revolver is the real swap master tho. It's the only way to make that gun work.

[zinc phoenix]

i disagree 🤷‍♀️

ive been running creeping flames for a while and am bored of it

[shadow wigeon]

Nah you don't need creeping to make blaze trauma good. Shield is great with it. I wouldn't use EP personally but.

[zinc phoenix]

ive been trying empower because i usually think its bad but ive been liking it in auric mael

being able to pop pop pop green crushers is nice

when trauma just does shit all

[upper sun]

ive never tried empower

[zinc phoenix]

its a mixed bag

[near wyvern]

Depends what you are after

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, that's true. It's a lot of baggage to carry for not a huge utility upgrade (over trauma already)

[near wyvern]

Empower is mandatory if you take Scrier's and Assails tho

[zinc phoenix]

It is nice for that

[near wyvern]

Otherwise your kit will fight against itself

[zinc phoenix]

I wish they’d make DD more gooder

[ionic needle]

DD is pretty good

I wish they'd make it less annoying, but it's not bad at all

[zinc phoenix]

Meh, it’s a lot of work to do the Pokémon

[midnight jolt]

it could always be worse 😉

[ionic needle]

Oh nice, a venting shriek spam staff

[zinc phoenix]

Use once, become demon

Oh apparently in rogue trader your psyker can fuck up so bad it summons a bloodthirster. Had me malding during a fight 😂

[shadow wigeon]

76% burn threshold still a thing?

[hexed geyser]

Just to make sure, for the warp battery, is it 300s in a row or not?

[ionic needle]

in a row

[near wyvern]

You don't want to focus on the stacking buff, just enjoy the extra awareness that the highlight provides and treat it as a toughness & movement speed pick up

[upper sun]

tbh idc if venting shriek vents i just hate dogs

[zinc phoenix]

Listen I was a young man when the OG Pokémon cartoon came out and I live by the motto

gotta. catch. em. all

So I can do DD

Not at all

[ionic needle]

I usually run DD with a stabby melee weapon so getting those 3 stacks from weakspots is pretty easy to reach 15 and then you can just shoot one every once in a while to keep it up

[orchid nest]

in my town they mailed out a bunch of VHS tapes of the original pokemon cartoon to a lot of houses to promote it before it came on air in the US

[long wharf]

this is why your local STD clinic knows you by face when you walk in

[upper sun]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b0bf740-4e9f-466e-bf88-34d139aa12e4/very-old

this is what i used to run on assail and gun psyker

i should try empowered though

[zinc phoenix]

Fuck that’s good 😂

[upper sun]

now im doing a traditional smite build tho

[midnight jolt]

is this decent?

[zinc phoenix]

smite surge with shitloads of fire is based

honestly this is the AGE OF PSYKER FIRE

every build is better with FIRE

[upper sun]

i dont have a fire staff yet 😦

idk if this is even good enough tbh

[untold widget]

blaze on void is not good, as the blast radius isn't big enough to leave things alive that are hit by a crit. If the voidball hits it and crits, whatever it hits is usually dead.

[midnight jolt]

is this OK? ignore perks

[upper sun]

damn

[untold widget]

with trauma, the main damage only happens at the center of a very large blast radius, but anything hit by the minimal damage (if its a crit) get set on fire

[prime elk]

Yes. Honestly the only thing that needs to go is sprint efficiency

[untold widget]

Yeah, pretty solid purg. Change sprint to flak and crit chance 4 to maybe crit chance 5 or another damage type. Assuming you don't already have warp nexus 4

if you have nexus 4 but not nexus 3, as indicated by the magnifying glass icon, then swap out sprint for flak damage and nexus 3 for nexus 4

[midnight jolt]

will check, finally got a decent purgatus 😉

[upper sun]

grinding enough parts to roll something with 2 out of the 4 things you need takes soooo much stuff

[midnight jolt]

or maybe don't touch the 2nd perk and wait?

[prime elk]

Purg is fun. Just very chill

[midnight jolt]

because if I get warp nexus 4 eventually, can replace it

[wind spruce]

the difference is so minimal, it doesnt really matter

its a choice between permanant 1% crit or 0,5%-2% bonus

but yeah, could also just wait

[midnight jolt]

from 5 to 20, from 1 to 2%

[wind spruce]

currently its 4.5 lol

[midnight jolt]

but yeah

[wind spruce]

so 0.5%-2% as i said

[untold widget]

nexus 3 is perfectly fine, if you do both perks then you can swap damage types out as desired

[hexed geyser]

What's the map without ascenders for warp battery penance?

[harsh urchin]

it's less about the map and more about the mods

you can prob do it pretty easily on auric histg on any map

[upper sun]

i got this from melks

[harsh urchin]

I got it from just playing normally

[upper sun]

almost perfect aside from the blessings

[midnight jolt]

Final product:

Stupid question, chained secondary activates if I don't let go of the RMB right?

[prime elk]

Yeah

[midnight jolt]

Looking at the positive side, I'm broke again, like 600 and some change 😂

[prime elk]

600 plasteel? That’s practically a fortune!

[midnight jolt]

yes 😉

[untold widget]

very nice. you're gonna get so much Empathic Evasion out of that baby

[tender terrace]

no one has figured out a decent scriers cry build yet?

[restive slate]

Gun

[tender terrace]

which gun

every time i play it i always wonder why it exists, haven't really tried a gun ig

[untold widget]

I use the las pistol and columnus with scriers

[restive slate]

There's a specific psyker build that works extremely well with Scriers Gaze

Commonly called now as Gunker

[untold widget]

I've also done scriers purgatus staff, which is pretty funny

[harsh urchin]

"extremely well"

being realistic, it functions decently

scrier's gaze is just kind of a shitty skill

because it has the same mechanics as patch 13 executioner

[tender terrace]

yeah i can't imagine why i would want to use a gun on a pskyer tbh

[harsh urchin]

and never got the revert that exe got

[harsh urchin]

there's 1 node on the tree that makes guns good

[restive slate]

Agree to disagree

[harsh urchin]

true aim, makes a few guys like colum, vraks3 etc super legit

and true aim has synergy with crit and thus also has synergy with SG

[restive slate]

Scryer has poor synergy witg Psykers staves

[tender terrace]

i was hoping there'd be some viable melee build with scrier and like juiced up assail or illisi warp swings but melee in general just seems trash

[restive slate]

Better with guns and melee

[restive slate]

Try Duelling Sword instead, particularly the mk 4

[harsh urchin]

SG is just terrible in general unfortunately, because of a few things

[tender terrace]

hated dueling too, horde clear total shit, basically just spam heavies

[restive slate]

Psyker is my main and Gunker is my strongest

[restive slate]

Shame, Duelling Sword is generally agreed as Psykers best melee atm

[harsh urchin]

1. This is the main issue; the cooldown doesn't tick until the skill ends, which means there's massive unavoidable downtime
2. The peril gain ramps exponentially, meaning even if you fight it via quelling or talents; realistically you can't sustain it for very long

[shadow wigeon]

Scrier's works ok with Void. And there is a memey buils for Purg that is strong, but a lot of work.

[restive slate]

I personally dont fight the peril and the bonus post-ability use sustains my damage long enough that the cooldown for next is really short, at least for me

I won't deny Scryer Gaze isn't the easiest ult to go into but its power shouldn't be overlooked

[restive slate]

Haven't really tried with Purg

Tried with Void and always on the verge of blowing up hahaha

[shadow wigeon]

26s cooldown, but you get 10s of +25-30% damage? It's not that bad.
The worst part I find is the few seconds where you need to force-ramp to 100% to tip it over. Sometimes that doesn't line up with being able to use an attack, and then you're losing a few seconds of useful time.

[shadow wigeon]

I don't really recommend it - i recommend TRYING it - but it makes Purg strong.
Purg auto stops at 100% as well, so it's very hard to blow up.
You have to pick your moments, though, if you use wapr siphon. You want to pop SG and get those stacks back very quickly.

The upside is you do apply burn very fast, so you're going to get more elite kills, and just more kills, in a short window - so there is some synergy with warp charges.

It was just.... a lot of work...

[restive slate]

Oh yea Warp Siphon is another issue with Scryer Gaze

[tender terrace]

yeah and problem is, all the good soulburn shit is on the opposite of the tree and shriek is just too good with it tbh

[restive slate]

I like it but I feel one has to go all in with Scryer Gaze

[restive slate]

The left tree is very safe and easy to play, thats true

[shadow wigeon]

Purg mitigates it to some degree. The ow peril gen means you can usually comfortable stay in SG for a long time.

[restive slate]

Nobody plays middle tree hahahaha

[shadow wigeon]

The come out the other side with 4/6 WC's and +30% for 10s

[restive slate]

Hmmm now I'm tempted to try

[shadow wigeon]

It made Purg feel pretty cool, even if it was pretty goofy. I think I ended up using Run n Gun with it, actually, just to lean wayyy into the speed bonus, to make sure I could close distance in Scrier's.

I didn't stick with it though, in the end, but I do think it's worth trying

[lethal lagoon]

No, run my BB spam purg build, It's great, believe me 🙂

[restive slate]

Fair, sounds fun to try haha

[lethal lagoon]

BB is great

🙂

(please buff BB I miss my boi)

[prime elk]

This is the way to play BB

[restive slate]

I miss Cerebral Lacerations

[prime elk]

Kinetic resonance, double shield and EP

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it's definitely worth trying. There are for sure synergies with Purg and Scrier's, I think purg is just in a difficult place right now.

[lethal lagoon]

I miss when BB did PC on hit

[restive slate]

Really? I thought Purg has always been in a good spot

[outer ocean]

Purg is good with a crit build

stacks soulfire quickly, insane LMB stagger

[shadow wigeon]

Ever since reducing hordes and upping all the burst damage, Purg has gotten squeezed. It's fine, but it lost a lot of it's important compared to pre patch 13.

[prime elk]

It’s just ok

[lethal lagoon]

Purg absolutely got left behind with patch 13. I mean, if you are playing agaisnt pubs, you'll still top frag with it, but it's fairly obvious.

[outer ocean]

like surge staff

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[prime elk]

Yah though I’d say surge is a bit closer to the meta

[outer ocean]

I mean you can do perfectly fine in aurics with either

[shadow wigeon]

Surge and Trauma are the top staffs right now, although Void is close enough imo

Surge is my easy #1 though, thanks to Creeping Flames build

[prime elk]

I think sweats prefer trauma and void

[lethal lagoon]

^ yeah, Surge is definitely lower on the board. It's comfortable to use and does well in pubs where no one kills brusiers/ranged mobs. But it's definitely not in the same tier as trauma and void.

[shadow wigeon]

It really is, although I guess specifically with CF. It's neck and neck with Trauma.

Surge/CF and Blaze Trauma are pretty great builds to stomp any ~~meal ~~ mael with, and solo clutch if you have to.

[midnight jolt]

I just got this as reward

[long wharf]

void can stagger-lock a boss

surge cannot

surge isn't doing the damage void can

[long wharf]

that's damned nice

[lethal lagoon]

Well sure, but keep in mind Blaze Trauma uses CF too

[sly comet]

So close. I was on an Auspex mission, and everything.
I really don't like this penance.

[lethal lagoon]

All the staves function great in Auric Maels, that's not a question. But by comparsion...

People who got the penance pre patch 13

[sly comet]

This penance seems so unreasonably difficult. It's not hard to gain warp charges, but keeping them through an entire mission is hard.

That last mission had everything I needed to complete it, but it still wasn't enough because specials stopped spawning at the end.

[latent hill]

Perhaps do a maelstrom mission with waves of specialists. And take the 4% charge

[outer ocean]

Take the 4% coherency talent and pray

[latent hill]

I’ll bet you did those but just got unlucky

[sly comet]

I'll try the maelstrom mission, and I've got the 4% bonus. It's helped a few times, but not enough.

If it was something like 4% chance per warp charge, it'd be doable, I think.

[midnight jolt]

Smite vs Purgatus staves, can both share the same Assail + Warp build?

[lethal lagoon]

Might have to change the second last warp point

[restive slate]

I'd like to know more

[shadow wigeon]

CF or Bubble are fine either Blaze Trauma, i would not say CF is required

[shadow wigeon]

I’ll share build when game is done

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like if you run bubble with blaze trauma, then I get why someone would think Surge is the same tier.

It's a pretty huge difference

[lethal lagoon]

Surge CF, usually with smite, is a solid 600k-800k easy win every game, very consistent. Get's pretty boring though.

[wind spruce]

I dont understand why anyone would run bubble with blaze trauma

[grand scroll]

Psyker, but Scab Sniper.

[wind spruce]

You cant get over six stacks with blazing spirit, no matter the source of warpfire

What makes it good is adding extra stacks on top of the six you can generate

[north pike]

Which of these trauma staffs would work better for the fire trauma build ?

[wind spruce]

which is where creeping flames comes in. Yeah there's perilous combustion, but at that point you might aswell just drop blazing spirit and focus on killing the elites

[wind spruce]

They're both great

[lethal lagoon]

I personally would use left, swap transfer peril for nxus 4 and crit hit damage to flak or maniac.
Warp res doesn't really matter, but it does make it more comfy.

I would keep both though

Play around, see which you like better

[long wharf]

I really dislike there being a cap on stack sizes based on source

it's extremely counter-intuitive

like most of FartShack's code

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like it's more just hard to balance warpfire when there's so many diverse sources of it

[wind spruce]

I agree.

[wind spruce]

My favourite mission ever was a triple stack of siblings, two traumas and a void, the amount of warpfire going around was hilarious, everything just melted, even crushers because I had Rending Shockwave

[warm ledge]

they're both very good, i believe the damage and blast radius difference is negligible. the only real difference may be warp resist, i would test them both to see if you can get at least one more charge with the higher resist

[wind spruce]

This "one more charge" idea isn't really that relevant, imo, since you'll be keeping your peril high rather than going 0>100, 100>0

Trauma blast, quell 20-30%, repeat

[warm ledge]

fair point

[midnight jolt]

so I'm using a surge staff, I don't need Assail anymore, went for brain rapture but for 10% passive, I think the surge cover my horde needs and range

[lethal lagoon]

Surge doesn't do anything to hordes?

[wind spruce]

but i do agree that its a matter of "feel" between the two staves @north pike , you've managed to roll REALLY well with the perks and the blessings, so you can make them both perfect and just see which feels better

[midnight jolt]

the secondary?

[lethal lagoon]

no?

Do you mean a voidstrike with surge blessing?

Or the actual surge staff

Surge staff is single target damage, and even pre-patch it was never good at hordes.

[midnight jolt]

trying a warp build for this:

[lethal lagoon]

On surge you use Shriek with Creeping flames for horde clear

[vestal ingot]

surge staff will take forever to clear horde

it's not really meant to be a horde weapon

[lethal lagoon]

#1158835513789272126 message Something like this for Surge