psyker-class

[tight moss]

It was freeing for me

[long wharf]

but the MMO I've put the most time into was Dungeons and Dragons Online

played that for a few years

[tight moss]

Was so sick of having to go through the same old shit every time I wanted to play a new class on wow

Even then I'd get pigeon holed at max level anyway via gear requirements

Forced to play the same fuckin rotiation over and over and over again

[lethal lagoon]

You could skip the PVE grind to some degree with arena gear. Go straight into raids, usually.

But you'd still have to wait a couple weeks for the arena currency

Yeah... it was always annoying setting up another char

But I liked the commitment of dedicating yourself to one class.

[long wharf]

god damn, listening to the AW2 album makes me wish Poets of the Fall did more heavy metal stuff

they're so damn good

[tight moss]

I grew to heavily resent that commitment

I can only play the same class for an entire patch so many times before I want to do something else

Very happy doing a round as red mage than swapping to ninja or samurai or w/e on ffxiv

No barrier

[lethal lagoon]

Well for example, I find leveling and gearing a new character in Darktide pretty fun.

Maybe it depends on the expansion too.

Most of my alts were made during Wrath.

I had fun lvling and gearin em up usually

[tight moss]

It was fun at the time for me, but I can't afford that time investment nowadays

Working adult, other things to do

[lethal lagoon]

Oh absolutely

[tight moss]

Less barriers a game has the better

[lethal lagoon]

Not just about time, but about value of time. Committing so much to something I might never touch again is a hard sell

[queen fog]

Respect for the ninja gamin, when I played 14 I rocked ninja too

Gotta love the backstab debuff

[tight moss]

Fast boiz

[queen fog]

In big aoe? Smoke bomb

[tight moss]

Runnin around at the speed of sound

[queen fog]

Problem solved

[tight moss]

Mashing buttons until I drown

[olive ember]

just did that auric maelstrom hab dreyko mission

it felt like I carried to shit so idk how to feel about it

[lethal lagoon]

Oo is that still up?

[plucky flax]

All I said was alan wake 1 has crappy graphics for current time and people argued.

Alan wake 2 graphics tho.

[ornate hamlet]

It has one of the graphics ever

[queen fog]

What if I turn the sliders down

What about then

[ornate hamlet]

You wouldn't

[plucky flax]

[queen fog]

I would, my laptop is a bitchy mess when it comes to polys

[long wharf]

oh man, Poets of the Fall released an album last year!

[queen fog]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-it-takes-mcjugger-nuggets-no-matter-what-at-any-cost-gif-18489294

[west fox]

is replacing Sustained Fire with t4 Deathspitter a good play here?

[paper loom]

Why are psykers so fragile? I feel like the slightest mistep results in my entire toughness vanishing yet everyone else can just take a beating

This is with every toughness node filled

[long wharf]

toughness regen nodes are very important

but just the same, you're a psyker, it's supposed to be glass cannon

[orchid nest]

psykers have very low toughness damage resist compared to everyone elses common builds but great toughness replenishment. end result is it's easy to get burst down by a couple normal attacks despite being able to refill it quickly

[paper loom]

Yea I feel on edge constantly I always play with randoms so have to use smite which is when you get clapped from behind most I feel

[orchid nest]

that's kind of the bad part about smite. strong blitz but it can create bad habits at the same time if you rely on it for survival. if you're not already at the point of being able to survive on psyker without relying on it, it can stunt your growth

[dapper shadow]

New psyker here. Is right click smite supposed to only last a second before staggering all the mobs it hits?

And left click jumps around and can be held as long as your peril can sustain it

[orchid nest]

you charge up the right click and then left. it lasts until 100% peril yeah. just left clicking on its own is only really useful for a quick stagger on a poxburster or something

[summer prairie]

you have to hold both rmb and lmb

[dapper shadow]

OH

no wonder

I let go of right click once it charges up

Okay makes sense I was wondering why I cant hold the charged right

[unkempt hare]

Chain sword or force sword for psyker

[ornate hamlet]

I heard good things about the new chainsword, but the force swords synergize more with the psyker's talents

[unkempt hare]

Like deflection

[ornate hamlet]

Deflector is largely unnecessary, honestly

It's nice to be able to block bullets, but most of the time it's more about avoiding them and killing the shit shooting at you

[long wharf]

the only thing chain sword has on force sword is bleed stacks and the special attacks tear down shields well

psyker doesn't really need either of those

and has melee weapons that excel at hordes or single target

[ornate hamlet]

And empathic evasion also exists, so the player can play hyperaggressively with a crit weapon and pretty much not worry about getting shot at

[lethal lagoon]

That's a symptom of too much smite use, yeah.

Braincells get zapped by the lightning over time

Awareness goes down.

Positioning abilities falter.

[long wharf]

really, smite is the most noob-trap ability psyker has, with BB being a close second

[brave fiber]

I’d say all of psykers blitzes are a bit of a noob trap in some way

[plucky flax]

I can dodge in dt but I can't dodge these shadowy mfs in alan wake

[ornate hamlet]

If I could dodge chaos spawns as well as I dodge my responsibilities

[brave fiber]

darktide mfs when they can’t parry/block/dodge their taxes

[plucky flax]

Real.

[patent wing]

i just tried the dumdum infernus lasgun build with scriers because ive been told it has boss dmg
spoiler: it doesnt

[orchid nest]

people are normally referring to laspistol when they are talking about that. no idea what someone else told you but the laspistol setup definitely has decent monstrosity dps

[patent wing]

i use creature spawner and its even worse

have to headshot nonstop for some min dmg even

[orchid nest]

psykers stuff in general won't match the other classes on monstrosities when they are specifically going for it but it's just behind the columnus for psyker for highest I believe

[patent wing]

idk if its because i dont run the finesse dmg perk but i dont like it as it ramps up to slolw

[patent wing]

yeah since burn stacks are limited and bleed useless now...

[orchid nest]

dumdum with infernus 4 the burn ticks are already like 2/3rds the overall dps of brain burst alone. it's not bad if you can land weakspot hits. definitely needs both blessings though. it's kind of comical how much easier it is on my ogryn though just having a 3b club and smacking them down

[patent wing]

hm i only have both at 3 maybe thats the problem

[orchid nest]

dumdum at 4 isn't as big of a deal but infernus 4 helps a good amount

if you take unyielding too with infernus 4 and dumdum is rolling from it the burn ticks should be like 225 or so at that point without any other buffs

[patent wing]

precognition is also a must i guess?

[orchid nest]

it helps a good deal yeah

[patent wing]

iag is pretty nice ngl

[orchid nest]

yeah the columnus is a bit higher dps vs them than the laspistol, but also less ammo efficient if you're letting the burn go

which laspistol btw? the old one is also better for psyker

[patent wing]

yeah i have the old

so with infernus 3 the burn dmg is really only about 5% id say

[orchid nest]

with scriers going it should do something like 500 dps with infernus 4 and unyielding, maybe a little more

[west fox]

games like this break me.

Why am I clutching as psyker?

[patent wing]

yeah but it only ticks like 5 seconds for meaningful dmg

[west fox]

note that Skyv was a replacement for a quitter. The other two missings were about level with the vet on score

[ionic sorrel]

Someone has to clutch.

[orchid nest]

yeah you'll have to get shots in still to keep re-applying it. it's more meaningful in real combat than the psykhanium. you might sit there and get like, idk a guess. 2500-3k dps in the psykhanium shooting them in the head with ai turned off. in a real combat situation though the burn can stay constant while your headshots wont so it will become a higher percentage of your overall dps vs them

[ionic sorrel]

And the vet didn't seem awful (from the score), was definitely helping get folks up.

[patent wing]

u got a point

[west fox]

Tbf, 2 of those 4 were because she was the first I rescued and she helped the other 2 up while I held off attackers

so they were effectively part of my 1st clutch

[ionic sorrel]

Oh, gotcha.

[west fox]

These are just regular damnations. I don't understand why people are struggling to stay on their feet.

[ionic sorrel]

Well, better luck next time.

[west fox]

I'm here just trying to gear up my psyker and learn how to play the class xD

I wouldn't mind carrying these teams if we didn't end up losing at the last hurdle

[prime elk]

lmao

this should be fun

with the run and gun buff... i'm actually not angry about getting it

[strong gulch]

LMB mains

[prime elk]

yeh, basically what this staff is going to be lol

[strong gulch]

I'll join you.

[plucky flax]

Mfw people would rather fight than do objectives at end event.

[strong gulch]

Welp, my first game of the day said "Here's a hi in stg. You're doing well? Feck you I crash now." Gonna take that as a sign and play something else.

[lethal lagoon]

I thought you were describing what someone said in chat

[strong gulch]

Ha! Sorry lol.

I type very clearly.

[zinc phoenix]

Technically you aren’t

[stone canyon]

Worth picking up, how important is cleave?

[lethal lagoon]

Solid pick up

[rocky raven]

perk is good/ roll is great cleave isnt "as" critical as the other stats, so long as its decent; its a single target weakspot weap primarily.

[prime elk]

brrrrrt with LMB spam

[ornate hamlet]

I heard whispers in the wind about cleave damage affecting first target too

[spice veldt]

cuz cleave damage is a horrible name for what the stat does

it's unarmoured/infested/flak armour damage modifiers

but it doesn't affect flak ADMs past a certain point because it's bugged so you can just ignore it for the most part

[ornate hamlet]

Fatshark moment

But if it affects infested, that's poggers

[worthy scaffold]

my man looking healthy

[modern bronze]

arco face

[spice veldt]

bitch

[modern bronze]

slow response time

[ornate hamlet]

when home replies a minute after in GMT -3 💀

[snow dust]

Why aren't you clutching as psyker?

[valid marsh]

saw someone in here complaining that Psyker is fragile when Psyker has some of the most absurd hordeclear and single target damage in the game

you don't need to be durable if you're controlling the battle by yourself

[long wharf]

while psyker does have good single-target damage, it's not great against bosses

and psyker has the least dr of the classes

[lethal lagoon]

Most absurd part of the horde clear is that it's done from range and safety. I hope fatshark isn't going to use their internal number collection as a way to nerf psyker because it's not representative of how games are actually going down.

A lot of the high numbers on psyker come from people like "Oh you are clearing the horde, okay I'll do something else".

[prime elk]

i do horde clear as psyker in melee quite often too 🤔

it just depends on loadout

you can really do either ranged or melee

[glossy solstice]

Gaze Illisi Exocist Slaughterer. Yum horde clear

[eager horizon]

Greetings! I am disappointed that the Psyker tree doesn't have as many blue talent nodes as the other trees. I have directed my frustrations into this document, and would like feedback on such, if any of you are keen to discuss or speculate with me:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UiYaGsX15eUOdCc5hfs10On-rJkqZPeeZ27NnTQaZe0/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you for your time, siblings!

[cold ivy]

have you considered that maybe it's the other trees that have too many nodes

[eager horizon]

Blasphemy! I love my many nodes.

Many nodes means many builds!

Vet has so many nodes, I sometimes forgo the keystones altogether just to play with more combinations.

I understand that's not everyone's cup of tea, but I don't see how adding more nodes, without changing the current paths (just adding branches), would detract from anyone else's cup of tea.

[cold ivy]

what i bet is happening is this: if you look at the other 3 trees, count how many blue nodes have only one downward path (i.e. if you try to move on from a particular blue node, you only have one choice)

now look at the psyker tree and see how many blue nodes have the same behavior

[eager horizon]

Counterpoint. Have you seen the Veteran's tree?

[cold ivy]

there are 36 blue nodes on the veteran tree that have only one successor

[next heart]

worth spending melk bucks on?

[cold ivy]

11 on the psyker tree

[late night]

no

[next heart]

it didn't look like it but i haven't used duelling swords so i wanted to be sure

[gaunt night]

heyo what you guys think about the blaze force sword and what blessings would you put on it

[long wharf]

I hope you're being sarcastic

[gaunt night]

never used a blaze force sword before. so this looks decent to try out

[eager horizon]

Wait, I am a little confused. Could you clarify your point a bit?

[cold ivy]

look at how many blue nodes actually offer you a choice of which subsequent node to take

i.e. they have 2 children instead of just 1 (where a child node is defined as a connected node lower down on the tree)

[eager horizon]

No, no I think I understand that part. But are you accounting for tax nodes?

[cold ivy]

tax nodes are just... there, right? the part that makes builds unique is the blue ones

in the vet tree, once you choose a blue node at the top you're kinda forced to pick its child in the majority of cases

[lethal lagoon]

Counterpoint. Veteran tree was put together last minute both releases of it.

[cold ivy]

another way to look at it is "how many more tax nodes do you have to take if you want to cross from one side of the tree to another, compared to a build that sticks to one side of a tree?"

that's one of the measures of how easy it is to put together a unique build (whether or not the build is good is a different story)

for psyker i'd expect that number to be much lower because of how much diagonal action you get

[eager horizon]

Right, so if a blue node leads to a tax nodes, shouldn't they inherit the children of said tax node? If tax nodes are merely there to inflate the cost of a build.

[eager horizon]

Wait, new tangent. Clarify "diagonal action" please.

[calm basalt]

"tax nodes" sometimes are very useful boosting things like melee dmg, ranged dmg on vet tree, peril reduction on psyker...

[lethal lagoon]

The 5% crit chance to reach kinetic deflection is nice

[gaunt night]

Can someone pls tell me if this is a decent blaze sword. and if its worth getting it ?

[cold ivy]

\

this is veteran

[stable leaf]

It’s a fine sword

[gaunt night]

never used a blaze sword so im tempted. I have no clue what blessings a blaze sword needs tho

[lethal lagoon]

Most of those taxes aren't actual taxes because you need stuff like grenade regen and 75% toughness DR

[cold ivy]

this is psyker

[calm basalt]

pretty good sword. missing 9% damage kind of sucks but otherwise good all around. pulling off t4 deflector is worth it alone

[cold ivy]

basically if you want to move from one side of the tree to another, you don't spend extra points as psyker, but you do on other classes

[gaunt night]

so deflector is a good blessing on it ? I thought so at least. good 2 know

[lethal lagoon]

I would say Zealot is probably the worst example of this, compared to vet which has useful nodes basically everywhere.

[eager horizon]

Okay, how is that better/worse if you were to add additional branches like so:

[calm basalt]

pair it with the psyker talent to blocks costing peril instead of stam, and you can make some unique builds

[lethal lagoon]

Ooo, that would actually be nice.

[gaunt night]

nice :3 that sounds good

thanks ❤️

[cold ivy]

there's nothing wrong with new nodes! i'm just saying the current psyker tree isn't as restrictive as you might think (i.e. number of nodes doesn't tell the full story)

[gaunt night]

what other blessing would you put on it ?

[eager horizon]

Ah, see, that's where I got confused I think.

[calm basalt]

taken from https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914150363844779/1088501562332151898

[eager horizon]

I don't think the tree is restrictive, only that I have fewer options to play with

[cold ivy]

if you think of the extreme example, it's 3 straight lines, each 30 deep with a keystone right at the end

your only choice in that kind of build is "how much do i put into each well"

[eager horizon]

That does sound like an oxymoron when I say it out loud. I should say "More possibilities" instead of more options, I think.

[gaunt night]

damn so i already got uncanny strike on it. nice 🙂

[lethal lagoon]

I think it's a lot harder to make an idiotic build on psyker versus vet, which I don't like.

[gaunt night]

dats a really helpful picture haha thanks buddy

[lethal lagoon]

Feels handholding

[ornate hearth]

I rolled these 2 illisi swords today. How important is uncanny strike? What would you change to get the most out of these?

Ultimately looking for solid horde clear when things are hectic up close.

[lethal lagoon]

Like try to make the worst possible build on psyker, it's kind of a struggle to make something that's legitimately unviable.

[cold ivy]

The other extreme is something like 50 nodes in a horizontal line, all reachable from the origin, and the 3 keystones are connected to all nodes

then you're never locked out from any other node

[eager horizon]

How's this:

[lethal lagoon]

Just spam smite 🤷‍♂️, tons of toughness regen, you'll be pretty tough. Use a voidstrike or a gun to take advantage of the true aim.

[zinc tartan]

Awwww snap! Thanks Melk!

[gaunt night]

do you have this kind of thing for other classes too ?

this steam guide

[calm basalt]

there's usually something like it in the pinned comments on each thread

[gaunt night]

https://tenor.com/view/hangover-thumbs-up-zach-galifianakis-bacana-gif-18748994

[gaunt night]

Do you know the difference between Illisi and Deimos Blaze Force Sword ?

since i didnt try any of em i have no clue

[eager horizon]

Okay, okay. How about this one:

[cold ivy]

that one is very close to greatness

drop 2 points from the bottom right, put them in venting shriek soulblaze and you're good to go

[lethal lagoon]

Tons of toughness gen again, so you can just run voidstrike safely and be pretty safe. Nice true aim then

Assail for tough spots

[gaunt night]

Anyone got a good blaze force sword build ?

[eager horizon]

So, would this be the worst psyker build then?

[lethal lagoon]

He meant the opposite

That those 2 points would mildy save it

[long wharf]

oof, it pains me to see you not get to the bottom of Warp Siphon

and take Kinetic Deflection instead of Warp Raider

[eager horizon]

I also avoid One with the Warp which pains me, personally.

[long wharf]

if your goal is to not be useful, remove the two upgrade nodes for Shriek

put them into toughness nodes up top

[calm basalt]

Deimos:
Currently, Deimos Mk IV and Illisi Mk V are the most viable options. For Deimos, you should always use L1H2 spam whenever you can, regardless if it is against a single target or multiple opponents. The key is to try to funnel the enemies in to a line. If you are surrounded, you will have to revert to push L1L2 combo on a repeat which is slow but rather safe.
Illisi:
The Illisi Mk V is a very good anti-horde solution with decent single target damage, best paired with Uncanny Strike and Slaughterer. The special on Illisi simply increases the damage and cleave of your next swing and it is possible to build around the special spam and make it semi-effective mixed horde solution as well.
It also goes on to say that the Obscura is bad compared to these.

And it also has more info on the blessings recommended and why.

Please note that this info may be outdated as patches come out, so testing your weapons in the Psykhanium is highly recommended before deploying!

[eager horizon]

Already got the nodes there

[lethal lagoon]

Did someone say toughness nodes

[long wharf]

then take that one node where you get toughness dr based on peril

[eager horizon]

This is just whether true aim and 15 toughness is worse than creeping flames venting shriek

[cold ivy]

this is my submission

[long wharf]

are we trying for worst talent tree build?

[cold ivy]

even then you can still sorta play smite/shield bot

[lethal lagoon]

Base shield is a great choice for useless build

[long wharf]

lemme give that a shot

[lethal lagoon]

I think you underestimate how much true aim carries a gun build though

As well as surge voidstrike

true aim overwhelms a lot of the bad choices

[gaunt night]

Guys what range weapon would you go with for the Illisi Blaze Sword ?

[cold ivy]

ok fine i took out true aim

for another tax node

[gaunt night]

I'd like to pair it up with Purg staff but im not sure

[calm basalt]

Share your talent tree, because it will allow for a better staff recommendatio

[eager horizon]

Aye, that is important

[gaunt night]

Well, i only have 1 psyker build atm, wait let me share it

[ornate hamlet]

holy shit it's the tree my damnation randoms use

[gaunt night]

this is the staff i use rn

[lethal lagoon]

Here's my entry for worst psyker build.

[eager horizon]

Ah, I forgot unleveled shield is probably the worst.

[lethal lagoon]

Smite talents are awful even if you are running EP smite

That dodge talent also does nothing, plus base shield

[long wharf]

here's my submission:

I made sure to not grab anything must-have

[cold ivy]

you gotta dodge psykinetic aura

it's the rules

[eager horizon]

Oh, that one's ugly for sure. But swap vent for base shield

[lethal lagoon]

Is that 30 points?

[long wharf]

sure

[eager horizon]

yar

[calm basalt]

No shield specializations??

[lethal lagoon]

For worst psyker build lmao

[gaunt night]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b04095a-2082-4c60-a223-813d0a932d49/lol-6

this is the talent tree

[lethal lagoon]

Breh

[potent echo]

None of them take anticipation

0/69

[lethal lagoon]

I did

[potent echo]

Damn

[lethal lagoon]

I also took the smite tree talents

[potent echo]

Horrid

[long wharf]

take 2 :

[eager horizon]

I thought kinetic aura was one of the worst, no?

[long wharf]

removed quell speed because that's useful

[eager horizon]

After like, Zealot's Loner

[long wharf]

took KD, skipped the health node as well

I feel very dirty after putting that together

also, took Wildfire without PC nor shriek

[gaunt night]

https://i.gyazo.com/12fa36074d618b005c2e94582e9a34bc.png

[long wharf]

because some youtuber told me Wildfire breaks the game

[gaunt night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1192633078162665553/image.png?ex=65a9c91b&is=6597541b&hm=c62d7ab485d8363b8ff4185883058b5dfd6b50fc527ccd8849958d7c7c49def8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1202&height=676

[lethal lagoon]

Switch the two most useful nodes for smite talents.

They are bugged and awful

[long wharf]

smite nodes are bugged?

[eager horizon]

If you change Psychic Vampire to In Flames Reborn it will work very well with Purge.

[lethal lagoon]

% damage doesn't work on right click

and the jump doesn't really do much

[long wharf]

sure, why not

let's see, this psyker definitely isn't going to be killing anything

[eager horizon]

Voidstrike might also make up for a general lack of range.

[gaunt night]

Awesome 🙂 and i can use the blaze force sword with that ?

[calm basalt]

I see a lot of crowd control. So you would benefit from high single target damage. First pick would be voidstrike due to its range. Your surge staff actually has good single target damage from chaining charged R2s. That is already a good option for the illisi

[eager horizon]

Yeah, I don't see why not. Unless a more noble psyker main wishes to correct me.

(Patch may have already corrected me)

[unreal axle]

is this headgear a new recolor or variant or whatever? does it have the crazy filter? I love that thing and will not use a headgear without it anymore xD

[long wharf]

here

take 3:

[gaunt night]

I usually watch RealAsianRobot for builds. And cuz of that i thought you shouldnt pair smite with purg staff

I play for a month now so i try to get my knowledge from everywhere xD

[prime elk]

lol watched realasianrobot when i first started out

ngl he seemed condescending

[eager horizon]

That headgear looks like a pilot seat for your giant ratatouille rat to sit in.

[long wharf]

I wouldn't watch any streamer/youtuber for info

just play the game

[royal leaf]

Ryken is pretty solid for some fun, thematic build ideas

[calm basalt]

purg and smite have a lot of overlap, better to pick only one and round out your build with the other options

[unreal axle]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-laugh-giggle-gif-13852599

[long wharf]

honestly, this channel is your best bet for game mechanics information

[gaunt night]

yeah overall it makes sense cuz both are for crowd control

[prime elk]

yeah i like ryken

[lethal lagoon]

Ah yes, psyker headgear. Would you like to be a toliet bowl or a giant cookie?

[long wharf]

I call it "the Urinal"

[lethal lagoon]

That overpriced feathered cap is literally the only decent headgear.

[long wharf]

I rather like the metal visor with collar

[unreal axle]

aw I like it, it would fit well with my look

[long wharf]

just a shame FartShack messed up the hair mask for it (it was fine on release)

[gaunt night]

Ehm.. for Void and Purg staff. Warp Nexus and Flurry are the thing to go too ?

[eager horizon]

No cap the ones you buy with dockets are better looking than 90% of the paid psyker cosmetics. And the last 10% is that hat you mentioned.

[long wharf]

that's my current look

[unreal axle]

for voidstrike I'd take warp nexus and surge

[lethal lagoon]

yes, replace flurry with Surge blessing if you get it for voidstrike.

[gaunt night]

Wait i remember patch 15 sent me this steam thing i ll look there

[eager horizon]

Sorry, the feather'd hat and the helm featured above*

[unreal axle]

the void blast gets doubled on crits with the surge blessing

[calm basalt]

sad frog mask

[gaunt night]

Alright ❤️

[eager horizon]

Forgot about bird helm with religion tassles

[long wharf]

it's not my favorite helm

[eager horizon]

Sad frog with pious pigtails

[calm basalt]

i cant unsee sad frog after someone mentioned it

[long wharf]

I also run

[gaunt night]

I like your big hammer

[ornate hamlet]

Every day I wake up and lament the cowboy hat having a mask

[eager horizon]

Ah yes, fine zealot cosplay

[lethal lagoon]

If you run Surge without a thunder hammer mod, I have no respect for you.

[eager horizon]

The skull one could also be zealot. Zealots are weird, man.

[calm basalt]

Feels like they are missing cosmetics with bionic components. I think there was one with a missing leg. Bardin had a pirate one with a wooden stump in V2

[eager horizon]

(Not going to lie, I mix up zealots and psykers all the time in-game.)

[lethal lagoon]

I mix up vets with enemy units constantly

Motherfuckers jump scare me all the time

[eager horizon]

Oh, the number of times I've gotten scared from the base yellow prison garb.

[gaunt night]

Dat happens to me with ogryns xD

[calm basalt]

vanguard skins look like moebians. some of the yellow cosmetics look like dregs

[eager horizon]

Why we gotta steal that nurgle drip?

[lethal lagoon]

Shield ogryns get me a lot too lmao

[unreal axle]

omg this, some people run the yellow prison garb and some heavy duty helmet and I keep trying to panic melee them for half the mission

[gaunt night]

exactly haha

[eager horizon]

I get the opposite. I will think my friendly ogryn is walking up to me only to realize they're on the other side of the room. Then I get bonk'd

[long wharf]

frankly, seeing a pirate stump in a futuristic setting that has mechanical and bionic limbs is stupid

[eager horizon]

I think it's economical

[unreal axle]

enemy bulwark walking up to you:

[eager horizon]

Ah, hey buddy what's up? Oh, wait.

LE BONK

[steep fractal]

is seeing swords and axes in a futuristic setting that has laser guns stupid?

[long wharf]

nope

because they have utility

[gaunt night]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-bernie-gif-27192884

[long wharf]

and purpose

a pegleg has neither

[eager horizon]

Not everyone can afford the bionic legs, check your grimdark future space privledges.

[long wharf]

my space bad

[eager horizon]

It's space alright

[long wharf]

space thanks

[eager horizon]

Happens to space all of us. No space worries

[gaunt night]

Anyone got a good void/purg talent tree ?

:3

[eager horizon]

Don't worry, only matter of time before they sell it again without the mask.

[steep fractal]

pegleg has utility in that theres no machine spirit to corrupt or trip you down the stairs because you didnt keep it happy

[long wharf]

avoiding using something because of the machine spirit is outright heresy

[unreal axle]

here's what I run with my purgatus, I decided to take perfect timing at the topright over 6 warp charges, because I realized that if I stack the 4 warp charges then get 5 random crits by spewing flame everywhere and 65% peril, I can 2-shot crushers on damnation with brain rupture

[long wharf]

you defy the authority of the Omnissiah

[eager horizon]

What do you call an old wooden pegleg in the grimdark future?

Analog.

[long wharf]

there is a black ship on its way to you right now, sibling

[eager horizon]

Worth it

[long wharf]

but was it space worth it?

I think not.

[eager horizon]

Fair and Spaced.

[long wharf]

time to try to craft a god-rolled surge staff

[lethal lagoon]

Mettle and soulstealer should be enough toughness gen on Purg, I'd personally drop quietude for 6 charges.

[eager horizon]

Best of luck, sibling.

[gaunt night]

thanks 🙂 saved the image haha

[unreal axle]

I'm not a great player all the time, I'd rather have the safety net

but I suppose it's not so great with purgatus staff specifically because it's so efficient with peril

I might give 6 charges a go

[gaunt night]

with 6 charges you guys mean warp battery

right ? :3

[unreal axle]

yis

[gaunt night]

okay 🙂

What about a cool voidstrike build ?

Anyone got any good ideas?

[unreal axle]

well honestly just go with this node and you're good:

[long wharf]

welp, there went 500k dockets

nothing worth upgrading

[unreal axle]

then surge blessing on the staff and voidstrike staff go brrr xD

[long wharf]

just love playing Darktide The Slot Machine

[unreal axle]

ugh don't remind me the start of 2024 has been so cursed for me Darktide wise xD

[eager horizon]

HIT THE LEVER

[unreal axle]

I've spent so many ordo dockets and so much plasteel just to get mostly crap

[gaunt night]

so you mean basically same talent tree ? xD

[eager horizon]

I'm officially in the "Grind resources till they fix crafting" boat.

[unreal axle]

no I meant just that node, otherwise do whatever you want

[gaunt night]

oh

hmm

[unreal axle]

I just clipped the part so you know where in the tree it is

[gaunt night]

i think a smite build could be good with void to get crowd control

[unreal axle]

yeah I'd like running that :o I enjoy smite a lot

[lethal lagoon]

Smite is bad for new psykers, you are gonna learn a ton of bad habits. But ultimately just do what's fun, it's a casual game

[twin zephyr]

When I run smite, it's usually with a lightning staff and soulfire vent. It's quite the good DPS combo

[unreal axle]

the thing with smite is, don't overuse it

you have a lot of other tools too, and if you just wait for everyone else to kill your smite targets you could be doing a lot better

you pull out and channel smite when everything would go to shit otherwise

[long wharf]

me approaching the Armoury Exchange with all my money :

[unreal axle]

otherwise it's better to just give yourself space then kill them horribly

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[unreal axle]

of course one exception to this I would say is ragers, always stunlock ragers xD

[gaunt night]

Yeah i'd say im doin a pretty good job as surge smite psyker so far. But i wanna change it up ^^

so wanna give purg and void a go

[unreal axle]

the purgatus build I posted is my favorite thing in the entire game, I enjoy all 4 classes but psyker is comfortably sitting at the top for me again xD

I run uncanny strike on my force sword, doing the block push always counts as a weakspot attack so you can just get 100% rending with 5 pushes and you can even burn blobs of crushers and stuff

[gaunt night]

I got a really fun autogun build with powersword for my veteran. And for my zealot i love my knife stealth build

So far i enjoy all 3 classes

my ogryn is lvl 29 but its alright

[unreal axle]

also venting shriek hits 30 meters away in front of you and pierces through walls :o

[gaunt night]

lol

[gaunt night]

i just bought this one from sour milk

[potent echo]

Purg is very comfy but after maining it for 300 levels it just feels very samey

[unreal axle]

so at critical peril you just apply 6 soulblaze stacks to everything within 30 meters, but more importantly you also stagger gunners and such even if you couldn't otherwise attack them

[potent echo]

It trying out void assail now and it requires you to actually do alot more and it's fun for me

[unreal axle]

that but Deimos is the dream for me tbh xD

haven't gotten one with Deflector yet

[gaunt night]

haha i didnt try any force sword yet

so i couldnt tell

usually went with the duelling sword

[unreal axle]

the Illisi is more like a power sword than the others

the other two handle more like chainswords with the special attack

[lethal lagoon]

Run purg but spam BB 90% of the time

[gaunt night]

Cool 🙂 i ll give it a try.

[lethal lagoon]

It is not effective, but that's what makes toping the scoreboard even more fun

[gaunt night]

hopefully i can get the right blessings for my void staff

[unreal axle]

I would run that if I could 1-shot shit in damnation with the buff and high enough peril but no

so to me it just felt bad to play in damnation difficulty

I mean the keystone, I still prefer vent :P

[lethal lagoon]

Oh it feels awful, but admittedly it's kind of fun poping the shield in front of a shotgunner pack and slowly but surely bbing them to death until enough PC kicks in.

And then 3 super slow BBs to kill an Ogryn Gunner, it's magic

[unreal axle]

hey has anyone run into any weird issues with the AI director today? we joined a regular old damnation with my friend, no modifiers on the mission, and it legit felt like an auric mission or at the very least a high intensity shock troop gauntlet, it was complete madness the entire time

[lethal lagoon]

Sometimes there's a bump when dropping down cause you got used to playing with semi-competent people.

[unreal axle]

what's even more baffling was that the 2 people we joined weren't even very good players so I don't know why the AI director wanted to throw a constant stream of mutants and snipers and bombers at us

[twin zephyr]

I keep lagging out and falling through the floor, and 1 wall. Does that count?

[lavish wigeon]

Does the hand cannon blessing still affect assail?

[lethal lagoon]

Nopers

[twin zephyr]

No. They fixed that

[lavish wigeon]

Dang

Anyone got an up to date assail setup?

[unreal axle]

no but it was just like.. a constant barrage of .. hey a sniper and bomber, two hounds, another sniper, bomber, mutant, mutant, hound, mutant, mutant, two snipers, mutant

all in one fight

[twin zephyr]

Technically, you can still get the effect if you're holding the revolver out when the assail actually hits, but...

[lethal lagoon]

#1158835513789272126 message

[gaunt night]

Is true aim really nessecary for void strike ? xD i would need 3 more talent points to get there haha

[lethal lagoon]

True aim is nessecary if you have Surge blessing on Voidstrike

[unreal axle]

yis that

[lethal lagoon]

Otherwise it's questionable but still strong

[gaunt night]

ok hmm then i need to drop something but i dont know what :3

[unreal axle]

show tree? :o

[gaunt night]

https://i.gyazo.com/c49a7dd6aca96d58996d18cb767df2fb.png

so far it looks like this

[unreal axle]

warp expenditure near the top is a pretty bad talent, you could ditch that for starters

[potent echo]

Quietude and the other peril toughness talent

And 6 wc

If you like 6wc drop smite augment

[tawny pebble]

the damage buff one?

[potent echo]

Also wildfire

[lethal lagoon]

Smite augments are generally bad. Also yeah, swap wildfire for aura

[tawny pebble]

i wish wildfire was good

[cosmic sigil]

wildfire is wild

[potent echo]

On purg staff it's already meh

[gaunt night]

wildfire not good ?

[potent echo]

No...

[tawny pebble]

the distribution of soulblaze stacks is...wack

[potent echo]

If something dies with 6 stacks, it only spreads 1 stack to 4 enemies

Lmao

[gaunt night]

okay so i could also drop perilious combustion at the top ?

[tawny pebble]

no, perilous is alright

[potent echo]

No keep that

[gaunt night]

oh okay

[tawny pebble]

it's purely how wildfire distributes soulblaze stacks that's bad

soulblaze itself is pretty good

[potent echo]

And the toughness talent is too good

[gaunt night]

okay got it

you mean soulstealer ?

[potent echo]

33% extra toughness "all the time"

The one beside wildfire

[lethal lagoon]

that's cdr aura mate

You are thinking of one after the cooldown aura

[potent echo]

Oh whoops

[unreal axle]

I disagree, the left modifier for smite is good. I tested it a lot in the psykhanium and with the modifier the charged smite would spread to groups it would not otherwise and it does so faster and more reliably

[potent echo]

But yea that's also the best talent in the psyker tree

[tawny pebble]

i agree that the increased number of jumps augment is good

[potent echo]

It's good but it's less needed than true aim for surge void

[lethal lagoon]

Pysch testing =/= actual game 🤷‍♂️ I've tested both back when I was into smite and in both scenarios the spread covered every enemy on screen anyways.

[tawny pebble]

i never could tell if my damage buff augment was putting any work in

[potent echo]

You don't take it and leave out true aim

[lethal lagoon]

A true aim psyker is starved for points, so jump talent just isn't worth it

[gaunt night]

https://i.gyazo.com/17f560f6da90547cfe0af83decb788ed.png

1 more has to go for true aim

:3

[lethal lagoon]

I guess if you are a controller players and can't retarget during a smite cast, it might be more worth it 🤷‍♂️

Jump smite talent

[gaunt night]

gui said drop quietude

but quietude seems good

hmmm

[steep fractal]

i also vote jump smite talent

[gaunt night]

psychic vampire maybe ?

[unreal axle]

also I personally prefer this node for warp battery:

ignore the bottom one since that's for purgatus xD

[lethal lagoon]

Voidstrike doesn't generate a lot of peril though, it also makes it easier to drop quietude.

[gaunt night]

yeah but smite does

[lethal lagoon]

Depends on your playstyle and peril edging, and yeah, it has a huge effect on smite

[gaunt night]

I really think dropping psychic vampire is the way to go for me

it doesnt seems too nessecary

[lethal lagoon]

You don't even really need true aim until you get the surge blessing.

I think if it bugs you this much, it's worth dropping true aim

[twin zephyr]

Is this a surge voidstrike?

[gaunt night]

I wanna go for a surge voidstrike yes :3

[lethal lagoon]

Keep in mind I spent 40k plasteel on a surge and didn't get it

I'm not even on the high end of some people

I eventually got it from a 2nd psyker melk store

[gaunt night]

Haha tbf im already ok with lvl 3 blessings

[unreal axle]

I'm the same with thrust for my thunder hammers right now ._. am cursed

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is tier 4

No tier 3

[gaunt night]

OH

i remember someone saying that

[lethal lagoon]

Dude.

I gave up

[gaunt night]

got 2 hammers with thrust 4 out of sour milk

[lethal lagoon]

I've lost count on how much I've spent trying to thunder hammer a boss monster

It's so sad

[twin zephyr]

Yeah, the true aim is "required" for surge voidstrike.

[gaunt night]

I spend like 15k plasteel tho on power cycler 4

[unreal axle]

it's very good even without surge, since you can still make every shot into a crit with horde around :o

[hearty oak]

I got thrust on my thunderhammer. I could... lease it out to you for a price

[unreal axle]

just shoot a void blast at head level, next one is crit, the next one's a crit too, next .. etc etc :P

[lethal lagoon]

He doesn't seem to be enjoying the talent stretching required though :C

Worst part of void honestly

[tame venture]

I can never tell when surge goes off on voidstrike

[gaunt night]

I have 7k plasteel. will i get surge? Place your bets now

[twin zephyr]

Though I would recommend using a different build entirely, with middle and right side talents. Surge voidstrike with assail, full crit, Bubble, and empowered psionics is incredible

[lethal lagoon]

You'll either get it on your first roll or not at all

[lethal lagoon]

Surge Voidstrike is the star 🤷‍♂️

You could use one of those meme builds we were throwing around earlier and be great

[gaunt night]

can you make a talent tree for me maybe ? i could give it a go :3

[lethal lagoon]

(I do also like that version of void)

Bubble pairs so well with voidstrike, as much as I don't like being a bubble boi

[twin zephyr]

I'm AFK at the moment, but I can do so later. It's a common enough build, if someone wants to post theirs?

[gaunt night]

Nice got warp nexus 4 on the void i wanna use

:3 now time to grind surge. then i can change 1 perk and 1 blessing and im good to go

[near drift]

surge voidstrike is the truth

[unreal axle]

speaking of surge, how to make surge staff as good as the others, it's my fave staff overall but I feel less effective on it than all the others. plus it builds like 3 psykers' worth of peril xD

if the peril generation was more like the other ones I'd love running scrier's gaze with it, I love force staff scrier's gaze builds xD

even if they might not be the best thing ever

[twin zephyr]

Looks good enough. Swap sustained fire for surge, and you're rolling

[lethal lagoon]

I'll post mine in the a sec. Yeah, surge isn't going to be getting the same kind of numbers as other staffs.

Esp as it helps keep your teammates alive

[unreal axle]

what numbers :V I don't run scoreboard

[lethal lagoon]

Any build that helps your little pubbies is going to be capped at like 600k-700k damage most normal games

[gaunt night]

Wellllll, 4 plasteel left and no surge for me

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-sad-sad-stitch-gif-14364046974961747120

[lethal lagoon]

Surge staff should have the standard, Nexus, Flurry, 25% flak.

You can kinda of just brain off and spam surge 95% of the time

[twin zephyr]

I typically run surge with flurry and Nexus, paired with a dueling saber. Smite and vent with warp charges. The main cycle is vent for soulblaze, surge elites/specials for CD and warp stacks, repeat. Smite is used as AOE if needed, or emergency stun

[unreal axle]

why flurry? you can barely even charge it 3 times xD

[lethal lagoon]

Most people probably prefer mettle.

Peril edging plus the stacks last long enough

[gaunt night]

flurry on void until i can get surge ?

[lethal lagoon]

You can peril edge a full charge with one quell tick depending on your setup

[twin zephyr]

This.

[lethal lagoon]

It's not really a requirement, I'm too lazy to peril edge unless I'm playing with friends and wanna sweat.

[unreal axle]

oh I'm comfy with high peril because of my time running scrier's gaze :o should be fine

[gaunt night]

Flurry or transfer peril for void until i get surge

[unreal axle]

but purgatus my beloved new build though :V

I'll just hope for surge staff buffs xD

[lethal lagoon]

Blitz canceling helps too but that's too much effort for me. If I wanna try that hard I'll run a better build.

[unreal axle]

I cba to do nonsense like that

it's just not fun for me and I play games for fun so

[lethal lagoon]

Yeppers

If you wanna meme and run some EP smite, surge pairs well with it too.

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[unreal axle]

EP smite?

oh GIF

right

yeah I love running smite with surge xD all the lightning

[lethal lagoon]

EP smite with flaming shriek will do 90% of a rager's health

[unreal axle]

does rending work on maniacs? :o

[long wharf]

rending works on everything

[lethal lagoon]

I have no idea what you mean, but also in general, extra rending gives extra damage

[unreal axle]

you could maybe do a couple of uncanny strike pushes and the ragers might burn to death :o

[lethal lagoon]

Ahh

[twin zephyr]

Yes. This works on crushers too

[unreal axle]

well that's what I mostly use it on xD

[lethal lagoon]

The burning goes on during the smite cast though, so not in this scenario :c

[unreal axle]

ah so you vent and keep smiting

hmm

[lethal lagoon]

Pretty easy way of killing those massive shotgunner groups

though tbf every class has an easy way of dealing with that

it's basically just ego bait at this point to see your name go brr

[lethal lagoon]

o7 to your plasteel

[gaunt night]

while waiting for surge, transfer peril or warp flurry

[twin zephyr]

Really doesn't matter. I'm partial to transfer in this instance

[gaunt night]

okay then i just have to do 1 game quick to get the plasteel

💀

[lethal lagoon]

[zinc tartan]

Does anyone have an auric quality build that would compliment this fine pistol?

[burnt sluice]

good or trash?

[gaunt night]

is dat a joke question ?

in case if not. no this is complete trash

[burnt sluice]

in what way

[gaunt night]

base rating should always be around 360-380

and yours is 334

[burnt sluice]

what bout dis one

[gaunt night]

this actually a lot better. Brutal momentum also decent blessing for axe

mobility is a bit low but you can work with it

[burnt sluice]

aight\

[gaunt night]

1 question for the others. Im a bit confused by Flak and Carapace armor

Because some carapace armor guys like scab mauler is also in the flak armour category

[burnt sluice]

then whats best mod for it

[gaunt night]

https://i.gyazo.com/b431359854e682bf2fa649b2fc91c8c7.png

[burnt sluice]

oh

aight got head taker on it

[tame venture]

Btw How do taxes fare on other classes?

I got a good roll on my zealot and it feels pretty good but idk if it's just weak

[gaunt night]

I have no clue tbh

didnt use axes so far

for my zealot i always use knife builds

[tame venture]

Chain axe funny

[gaunt night]

Flak armour or carapace as perk on my void staff ?

[viscid matrix]

tbh carapace, in most instances you will 1shot flak armoured enemies anyway, but best bet go to the meatgrinder and test it

[wind spruce]

Flak

Only one enemy is carapace, and you don't always fully charge the shot or hit square to the head, making it very useful despite you sometimes one shotting stuff

[gaunt night]

my highest weapon 😮

548 not bad

[wind spruce]

nice man, looks great

[gaunt night]

thx :3 now i just need to get surge somehow

already used all my plasteel but didnt get it

[cosmic sigil]

2, mauler is flakapace

[wind spruce]

the voidstrike charged attack counts as flak wherever you hit a mauler

[cosmic sigil]

ohh seriously?

[wind spruce]

yup

[cosmic sigil]

TIL

[wind spruce]

tested it 5s ago to be sure

same with trauma, surge and purg (every staff)

[gaunt night]

lol dats awesome 🙂

hey maybe a dumb question but i heard rumours about surge only available at transcendent

But thats a lie i also heard

so i can just farm surge by making em blue

[wind spruce]

u can get any blessing at blue or yellow

[gaunt night]

ok good thats what i thought

🙂

https://tenor.com/view/bow-bowing-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-gif-1242852755589233352

now i just need fatshark to bless me with surge somehow

[wind spruce]

Also, there was a rumour flying around that Riposte crit chance applied to your ranged weapon, and after shooting mutants and plague ogryns 500+ times i can very confidently say thats bullshit

[gaunt night]

https://tenor.com/view/busted-arrest-cops-cop-gta-gif-27593389

[twin zephyr]

Surge Voidstrike build

[gaunt night]

appreciate it much dat you didnt forget me buddy ❤️

instantly saved

[harsh urchin]

Tbh that tree looks kinda bad

[twin zephyr]

Open to feedback

[harsh urchin]

missed a lot of strong nodes like PC

[gaunt night]

What is pc

im still relatively new to the game

[harsh urchin]

it's probably worth dropping momentum to get CDR aura and the two nodes below it

also I would probably take DD

since that'll buff both assail and vs

[hasty breach]

wait, REALLY?!

that's bullshit and also awesome

[gaunt night]

Is pc perilious combustion ?

oh and DD is probably disrupt destiny i guess

[lethal lagoon]

Other than the fact that DD is buggy, anything that distracts you from setting up bowling alleys on voidstrike is a potential DPS loss.

[twin zephyr]

I've found PC to not be meaningful in this, as we have no other source of soulblaze here. PC is always ok, but hardly strong here. There are a couple easily adjusted talent points here, so it's simple enough to pick up PC if you really want it.

If you mean, dropping prescience for CD aura, then I'm impartial here. I've tested both, and they both feel good. The trade off is Damage and Crit, for CD Aura and Toughness Resistance, which is a fine trade. I have no strong opinion here.

DD, however, I really can't recommend. The Empowered Psionics is a MASSIVE power increase to assail, which allows you to clear up hordes and stragglers with a level of efficiency that far far outweighs the benefits of DD. The faster your clear, the more you can focus on your Voidstrike.

[gaunt night]

Spoken like a king

[harsh urchin]

ye you're welcome to play how you like lmao

pc is probably the most broken node on psyker's tree rn

there's a reason why pygex runs it in every single one of his builds

[gaunt night]

whos pygex ?

a youtuber ?

[harsh urchin]

the guy who made the psyker guide here

[gaunt night]

ah thanks

🙂

[hasty breach]

becaues PC scales with number of high value targets and becomes huge amounts of damage like an aoe on all your kills

[spice veldt]

DD also provides an appreciable benefit to your other weapons, breakpoint dependent of course

i certainly wouldn't consider one to be strictly better for vstrike assail

[gaunt night]

i guess you could then just get rid of warp expenditure for PC

or i see theres a point for 5% range damage

that could also be compromised for pc

[tawny pebble]

ow

i finally did my first high-intensity damnation

[cold elm]

oh boy i sure do love edging tzeentch with BB

[cerulean lily]

Anyone know if the stamina curio is still bugged ?

And if so what is the rating level it us to be above ??

[tawny pebble]

the stamina curio is bugged?

is that why i perceive myself as slower lately

[harsh urchin]

76

[hasty breach]

hard to give up psykinetics aura to take assail for me ;_;

[twin zephyr]

Same.
I only use assail with this surge voidstike. Psykinetics just feels so good.

[gaunt night]

playin first game with it and its really fun. thx for the build

[cerulean lily]

Thx

[gaunt night]

just dropped this after a lvl 4 high intensity game

damn ^^

[hasty breach]

im hoping to evaluate the difference in Mobility stat sprint speed and stuff for the mk 6 dagger. im gonna test it with a few daggers i have but how impactful is the mobility stat for folks? dodge distance percentage is kinda arcane

[late night]

i need the goats to lmk

what should i replace with uncannt

uncanny

im thinking rampage

[worthy relic]

bestt rupturre build??

[lethal lagoon]

Believe me, it's amazing(it's not)

Use with a purge staff, 2 free points

[hearty oak]

No flayer? trash

[lethal lagoon]

Flayer is trash, correct.

[hearty oak]

But shield isnt?

[lethal lagoon]

Double shields for double BB action

It's a BB build after all

Geez, stop trying to logic me to death

[hearty oak]

I would have gone for vent

[lethal lagoon]

Double shields = double buff

[hearty oak]

NO

[lethal lagoon]

If you don't have that, it's not a BB build

That's just how it is

[hearty oak]

[lethal lagoon]

[worthy relic]

hoows this?

[lethal lagoon]

Horrible, that's not a brain rupture build.

[hearty oak]

Well to atlas, its bad

[lethal lagoon]

Well, no, settle down.

I said it's not a BB build

I didn't say BB builds were good

[worthy relic]

whats wroong with iit?

[hearty oak]

excuse you. i use surge with BB sometimes and its pretty decent

[lethal lagoon]

That's a surge build

[lethal lagoon]

Nothing.

Well I mean flayer and wildfire are both mid

[worthy relic]

i use surge and bb

[lethal lagoon]

But nothing is really wrong with it

[hearty oak]

🚮

wildifre

[lethal lagoon]

I just love the idea of spreading 1 stack of warpfire to 4 different mobs

Perfection

[hearty oak]

thank you FS devs

*The person reading this is going to have their brains bursted from reading this

[lethal lagoon]

Based on your weapon choices, talent choices, and assumed experience level I would run this instead:

Surge and BB means no ranged horde clear, so you need flaming shriek uptime, so CDR aura is better.

Flayer is pretty useless, but you can always drop Battle Med for flayer

[hearty oak]

Do you even need kinectic deflection if you have deflector on

[proven stirrup]

So lemme get this straight

[lethal lagoon]

You need it more.

[proven stirrup]

Unless some sort of effect you take in the tree can potentially ace a mob of any given type it applies to, it's bad?

[hearty oak]

why though. I wouldnt want to be standing out in the open getting shot

[worthy relic]

woould mine be fine with trauma staff

[lethal lagoon]

I have geniunely no idea what you are talking about, Deflector without KD is just a bit silly.

[proven stirrup]

I've spent too long trying ti understand why spreading free damage to chaff would ever be a bad thing in this game that throws so much shit at you and I just can't come up with one

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think you realize how low that free damage is

And it's not "free"

It costs a point.

And requires certain scenarios to function

[hearty oak]

Ive clutched without it. I never understood why you needed it when you choose to not get shot instead and just kill the gunners

[proven stirrup]

I cannot imagine caring about all that in the heat of the moment

Maybe I'm just not built to "be good" at this game.

Kind of absurd if you ask me.

[lethal lagoon]

There is literally no reason to run deflector without KD, I don't even use KD that often. I'm not sure what your point is.

[lethal lagoon]

We are talking about builds, what "heat of the moment"?

Keep in mind, literally everything I've said only applies to auric t5s and auric maels.

[hearty oak]

thats what im asking you. If deflector takes stamina like you are being struck by melee, i use it to get from cover to cover, not stand more so out in the open to get shot

[proven stirrup]

Auric was a mistake

Carry on

[lethal lagoon]

What are you asking me? Why your stamina bar probably isn't enough to meaningfully deflect anything in aurics and maels?

I mean I dunno, everyone's playstyle is different

It's a fairly casual game, that's why when I edited his talent tree I focused on his personal preferences rather than what was "right".

[hearty oak]

Dont worry about it

[lethal lagoon]

It's fine with surge too, just not optimal 🤷‍♂️

Play around

Experimenting with builds is half the fun

[hearty oak]

Still waiting on that recon lasgun buff so i can finally use some more weapons

[lethal lagoon]

It is a bit better for trauma, because BM does very little for Surge

[worthy relic]

what is BB gooood for?

[lethal lagoon]

Nothing, it's been left behind since patch 13.

But it is usable for some builds

Like Trauma actually

Nice for grabbing snipers, bombers, etc.

[hearty oak]

Can one-shot ragers now

dreg*

[lethal lagoon]

Oh I get what you mean now, why not just literally sprint?

Remember the tutorial, sprinting when you have stamina dodges booolets

[hearty oak]

Why do this when you have to cast your abilities right after you gained some distance to start attacking again

instead of gaining peril, just find a better spot to attack from and quit being out in the open

[lethal lagoon]

Flaming shirek with 85% peril.

You deal more damage at 80+% peril

[hearty oak]

There it is. thats what i was trying to figure out why

the point of gaining peril

[lethal lagoon]

Well I mean you can also block a metric fuck ton more

[potent echo]

It's really nice vs bosses

[hearty oak]

so so. Im never in that position to have 7 gunners shooting at me and i have to tread across a field

[wind spruce]

kinetic flayer is one of the worst talents in the entire game lmfao

[lethal lagoon]

Current discussion is why delfector is mid without KD

He disagrees, I was the one who said that

[potent echo]

Oh then uh, I don't use deflector

[hearty oak]

its ok. id use it for the extra burst damage

[potent echo]

Neither do I use flayer

[wind spruce]

its not okay

its terrible

[potent echo]

Ew x2

[hearty oak]

[wind spruce]

one random BB every MAX 15s on random target

its just horrifically bad

[spice veldt]

one reason why i dislike deflector without KD is just getting randomly guardbroken from stray ranged attacks

[hearty oak]

better than a passive of gaining small toughness or health

[wind spruce]

also if you're up in the air about perilous combustion just look at your damage output from wildfire on Ovenproof's scoreboard mod, you'll find that it does next to nothing on non warpfire builds

[spice veldt]

which was particularly annoying before

[hearty oak]

Ill take that kind of damage any day

[wind spruce]

its not good damage

[hearty oak]

its a free BB

ok

[wind spruce]

its on a random target once every 15+ seconds. most of the time its going to just overkill something trash

[tacit stump]

idk why but psyker has my fav meele weapons with deimos mk 4 forcesword and maccabian duellings sword mk4

[hearty oak]

Its on attack, not random ☝️ 🤓

[lethal lagoon]

Oh that's a good one, yeah, if you are melee blocking and get shot, and then get 1 shot by melee trash,

@hearty oak Here you go, better reason than mine.

[wind spruce]

on a random target, because you cant control where its going to land. occasionally you'll get something decent but its not going to happen often. put the point somewhere useful

[hearty oak]

I suppose. I never see happen enough and able to defer what really happened. more focused on the moment

[distant roost]

aight so, talent tree with a surge staff. what are the typical picks as I havent played surge since fuckin uh... March.

[hearty oak]

Its still fun to have it happen. Experiences vrs. experiences, we already know

[wind spruce]

If you are running Kinetic Deflector with a stamina curio, you take less peril each hit

Makes it 10x better

[lethal lagoon]

Do you want your brain off, on, or somewhere in between?

[distant roost]

w/e

[lethal lagoon]

So for the staff itself, 25% flak, nexus, flurry.

[potent echo]

Smite brain off

[lethal lagoon]

Last perk is either 5% crit, maniac, or unyielding if you are crazy.

I'll post a middle of the road brain build in a second.

[hearty oak]

Cool, i try to be in positions where i dont need to deflect that much. Most of the time, its just darktide moments, bad team comps, and FUCKING BARRELS

[lethal lagoon]

Use surge 90-95% of the time, flaming shriek for horde clear, and then smite if you feel like everyone is about to die, that's about it.

[wind spruce]

don't need to have deflector to benefit from more efficient blocking

[hearty oak]

Do you ever notice an amount difference gaining charges from teammates instead of fire kills?

[wind spruce]

if you're using surge staff you wont be setting things on fire often.

[lethal lagoon]

The fire kills thing has always been wonky, so I don't run it

But flaming shriek on a huge horde will probably get you 3-6 charges

[potent echo]

Oh yea I played DD yesterday twice and didn't notice any bug with the proccing 🤔

[lethal lagoon]

To be clear, the bug is that you get the buff but not the stack

Just in case

[wind spruce]

Thats not a bug. If you hit a headshot without a kill it will refresh your stacks

[lethal lagoon]

No, I mean you just straight up can't gain stacks

[wind spruce]

You can charge a brain burst on a DD target but NOT let the BB go off and it will refresh

[lethal lagoon]

It lasts for about 5-15 minutes

[wind spruce]

ah interesting

my b

[elfin roost]

The funniest thing is when you get blown up by a barrel and fall off a cliff

[lethal lagoon]

Some people (like me) get it really frequently, some either don't notice or get it at all.

I've been trying to figure out why

[lethal lagoon]

Do you do anything that would be considered unusual?

I really wanna figure this out, DD is fun to play lmao

[wind spruce]

Have you been getting the bug on multiple builds, Atlas? How frequently? Most games?

[potent echo]

I use assail, I use Deimos and voidstrike

[worthy relic]

surge staff doesnt realllyy hurtt bsses

[tame venture]

How exactly does disrupt destiny work for giving or losing its buffs again?
Aside from "shoot glowing man for buff"

[lethal lagoon]

It's okay, it's also "free" damage because weakspots don't matter and you don't have to aim.

1300-1500 on a crit, not awful

50ish surge strikes and a boss is dead 🤷‍♂️

It's great for sluggussy too

[lethal lagoon]

I got it 3 games in a row and rage quit lmao, haven't used it since.

[wind spruce]

1. Kill the target to get a stack.
2. Weakspot kills grant three stacks (with the right talent)
3. Shoot the target in the head (or force push it, or charge a brain burst) to refresh but not gain stacks

[twin zephyr]

Nearby enemy glows.
Killing a glowing enemy gives you +1 stack, or 3 stacks with talent point upgrade.
You can stack up to 15 times, or 30 times with talent point upgrade.
Stacks last 15 seconds, or 30 seconds with talent point upgrade.
All stacks are lost on timeout.

A new enemy is marked immediately after the previous mark is killed.

[lethal lagoon]

I think it was columbus mk5

[wind spruce]

thats cooked. ive been running it with columnus for a couple of days and havent noticed it happening at all

[lethal lagoon]

It just happens randomly and persists for like 10 minutes before returning to normal, it's such a bizzare bug.

I don't think I was downed in any of those games either.

[wind spruce]

Will definitely keep an eye out for it

[lethal lagoon]

Thanks breh

[worthy relic]

scuffed?

[lethal lagoon]

Carpace is good, and Ranged Elites isn't terrible.

[ornate hearth]

Is uncanny strikes only usefully against carapace?

[lethal lagoon]

I would personally make it gold

Rending increases damage on all targets

[prime elk]

useful against everything

[wind spruce]

It increases damage to flak, carapace, maniacs and unyielding

but the damage is insignificant on maniacs, unyielding and flak heavies

you mainly take it for light swings against flak and for carapace

(duelling sword)

[lethal lagoon]

If a weapon has uncanny strikes available as a blessing, you should probably pick uncanny strikes

[tame venture]

I ask how DD works because even though I pretty much always attack the glowing guy, it feels like I always have no stacks, or max

[ornate hearth]

I've been rolling a few swords, and these two are really good. I was thinking slaughter+deflector+maniac+weak spot for the first one

And slaughter+uncanny+manuac+carapace for the second.

Are there suggestions for a different approach?

[tame venture]

Same for brutal momentum

[lethal lagoon]

First sword; Unstable to slaughterer, carpace to maniacs is what I would do. Unless you have an urge to smack crushers with it, then change stamina to maniacs.

Can also keep both blessings and switch both perks instand

Unstable isn't bad

[twin zephyr]

It's incredibly easy to lose the full stacks. If you go 15 seconds without eliminating the marked target, you lost ALL of them. Which also means you're nearly guaranteed to lose all your stacks between waves, and the like. Is easy for something to block your mark, such as being attacked by a horde while your mark is a basic shooter on the other side of a wall. Not having stacks is pretty normal for DD, where you have to build them up over a drawn out engagement.

[ornate hearth]

Its been mentioned that slaughter is needed for various break points. Do you know what those breakpoints are?

[wind spruce]

I always roll with the 30s talent over the 30 stacks talent or it drops off too quickly for my liking

[twin zephyr]

This. It helps immensely. Still, you can expect to lose your stacks in the downtime between waves.

[tame venture]

Yeah I think I have that too

How much of a bonus does the higher cap even give anyway?

[wind spruce]

Referencing the earlier discussion about Perilous Combustion, this is the sort of damage you can expect when you DONT run any other warpfire sources. Its not worth it on those builds

[lethal lagoon]

My PC is usually around 10% my total, what's the rest of the board look like?

Were your elite kills low?

[twin zephyr]

Each stack is 1% damage, 2% crit damage, and 2.5% weakspot damage.

The extra 15 stacks would theoretically add an additional 15% damage, 30% crit damage, and 37.5% weakspot damage if you can keep max stats.

[lethal lagoon]

It depends on the weapon, group, etc.

A great vet will make PC almost useless.

Good thing there's like 3 total great vets lmao

[tame venture]

Those are some juicy numbers, but I really don't think I'd be able to get them, nor keep em

[wind spruce]

I will caveat that it was one of the first runs that wasnt a blaze trauma build in like two months so i was rusty af haha, maybe not totally representative (build was columnus with scriers)

Elite kills were a bit low

[lethal lagoon]

Oh PC is super important on columbus.

Because you plug elites in groups and that's your horde clear

[twin zephyr]

Yeah, DD has some nice stuff... theoretically.

[wind spruce]

Post a scoreboard of it?

[lethal lagoon]

Lemme see if I have any columbus 5 ones labeled.

Otherwise I'll just run a game lmao and see the numbers myself

Maybe I'm wrong

[lethal lagoon]

This should be columbus mk5 assail sciers

I'm not 100% sure though

172k/899k More than 10% even

[wind spruce]

Point taken

[lethal lagoon]

I think it really just depends on spawns

Some games the spawns are so scattered and weird that PC just doesn't really do anything

But, the worse the situation the harder PC goes, which is kind of what matters I suppose.

[prime elk]

PC?

[wind spruce]

Very true

[lethal lagoon]

perilous combustion

[worthy relic]

good?

[valid sequoia]

whats the difference between the swords is it like a large difference or is it just little things

[worthy relic]

what do ii re rolll on this sword/

[quasi grotto]

illisi better at horde clear, deimos better at single target, but not a huge difference. force swords are kinda generalist weapons overall

[elfin roost]

moveset

[worthy relic]

blazing spirit good?

[wind spruce]

Illisi has large sweeping horizontal strikes ideal for horde clear. Its special attack can cleave through tons of enemies at once.

Deimos has less sweeping attacks and more single target stabs. Its special attack locks you onto one enemy and deals massive damage to it (high risk, high reward).

[wind spruce]

On trauma staff yes. on force swords FUCK NO

[worthy relic]

rerolll blazing spirrit to deflector and carapace to flak? @lethal lagoon ?

[valid sequoia]

isnt there a third? (also thankssss)

[wind spruce]

Yeah the third is obscurus the first one we got. Its outclassed by both the other force swords and I dont, personally, see a usecase for it.

[urban sandal]

yeah but it's overshadowed by the other 2

[valid sequoia]

ahhh ok

[wind spruce]

Basically it just got power crept

[valid sequoia]

i had been running that one exclusively because i wasnt sure what to do

and i was like "eh good enough"

[stone canyon]

😭 If only i could sacrifice it and apply to Voidstrike instead

[hearty dagger]

We win these
Already have surge on a worse staff so i can just slap it on it

[west fox]

1st clutch that mission was successful. 2nd was not.

[lethal lagoon]

I'd do slaughterer, but if you want deflector sure.

That's a deimos, so I'm not too sure.

Better check the guide in the pins for that

[mighty fractal]

As fun as the special attack is, you’re usually safer just chaining into heavy attack 2 (light 1 > heavy 2)

[lethal lagoon]

You know, after browsing through some old boards, I feel like it's 100% A.I director dependent. Probably also matters how aggressive your team.

[mighty fractal]

With the rending blessing and a couple Warp Charges, you’ll oneshot almost everything that isn’t a boss and deal high stagger too

Deimos Heavy 2 will also stun Crushers out of their overhead slam

It’s a pretty silly sword

[lethal lagoon]

I guess if you aren't running Auric maels or a newer map Auric, PC might not be worth at all

If it's not a juiced auric mael it's useless too

Just ran a weak auric mael where pc was basically nonexistent 🥹

[twin zephyr]

Also bear in mind that scoreboard tracks soulblaze weirdly. It counts damage as yours, if another psyker applies stacks after you. If you cast bullet, kill an elite, spread soulfire a bit, then another psyker vents over the same area, you get damage credit for the 9 stacks.

[worthy relic]

keep carapace orr reroll to fllak?

[plucky flax]

That's how dot priority work. Same with bleed and burn.

[twin zephyr]

yes

[stone canyon]

Should i go Terrifying Barrage3 -> Warp Flurry buy only tier 1

Only blessing that i have for Voidstrike so far