psyker-class

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker has had "pity refresh" since beta when someone would steal your BB kill but you still used peril.

[potent echo]

Yea you get the pity warpcharge

[lethal lagoon]

It was honestly kind of annoying

[potent echo]

Sometimes

Not all the time

[lethal lagoon]

Especially if you were using the peril bug because it would give you peril earlier than expected

And then you'd head pop

[potent echo]

Peril was reworked so many times lmao

[shadow wigeon]

You can ask in LFG, although I don't know how much people will wan to do it at lvl 11.

There's quite a few talents that will help speed that up...

[lethal lagoon]

Better to leave your penances for 30s honestly.

[empty timber]

fair enough lol

[cold ivy]

does BB damage scale based on your level? or is it just fixed

[lethal lagoon]

fixed, but you can grab some stuff to make it stronger

[shadow wigeon]

It's fixed, but EP, KR, etc will all increase DPS

[cold ivy]

right

[potent echo]

Does perfect timing affect BR damage

Literally never tested

[shadow wigeon]

Yep

[potent echo]

Malefic, perfect timing BR

Wait you can't get malefic

[compact thorn]

I can put instead of rampage either Shred IV or uncanny strike III
Don't know which one tho

[gilded ember]

bro got the blessing i need

[long wharf]

whether or not to have Uncanny Strike isn't a question

it's mandatory for a good ds

[gilded ember]

almost perfect purgatus?

[long wharf]

it's damn good

[tawny pebble]

that's one shiny staff

[slate prawn]

I just won my first damnation mission as a level 16 ogryn

yippee

[gilded ember]

good job soldier

now do it again

[slate prawn]

no thanks

I got jumped by 20 poxbursters and trappers and flamers at the same time

I think imma level up to atleast 20 before going to damnation

[gilded ember]

make it 25

you need help with leveling?

[slate prawn]

no I level up pretty fast cus like 80% of the missions I do I win

I only started 2 days ago

[compact thorn]

Just put +10% Xp on curios and QP

[gilded ember]

true

[slate prawn]

whats QP

[compact thorn]

Quick Play

[slate prawn]

oh yeah thats the only things I do

quickplay is fun

[tame hemlock]

What should I do with this

[lethal lagoon]

grab the surge blessing in case they ever fix it.

[tame hemlock]

Is it good? Tbh I don't rly understand what it does

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, the maelstrom is stupid exp. A tier 3 maelstrom gives the same exp as an auric t5, sometimes more. Some modifers also give really weird exp values.

[lethal lagoon]

Not for trauma, but they might change it in the future.

It's BiS on voidstrike atm

[twin zephyr]

Probably turn it in to Hadron for the surge blessing.

Surge currently does nothing on the trauma staff, and Terrifying barrage is... extremely underwhelming, especially on trauma staff.

The Ranged critical hit damage only adds something like 20 damage AFTER other calculations, so the staff overall is just super mediocre.

It's got good stats, so it's perfectly usable, just nothing really else going for it.

[tame hemlock]

Okay so take surge and wait till I get a decent voidstrike?

[twin zephyr]

Blessings don't transfer between staves. Earning it on Trauma won't earn it on Voidstrike. As it stands, surge is just a dead / non-functional blessing on trauma staff right now.

[tame hemlock]

Thats weird af isn't this game a few years old? Seems very rough around the edges with stuff like this

[twin zephyr]

Just over 1 year old, but it is what it is.

[spice veldt]

yeah they belong to different weapon families but there's only one staff of each family

i guess they don't have any ideas on what to have as different marks

[eager token]

whats the dump stat on surge staff?

[harsh urchin]

none

you can afford to drop a little bit stat wise on crit, quell, warp

but the higher all the stats are the better it'll be

[eager token]

omnissiah be merciful this day

its dogshit

[strange bone]

what's the best setup for a soulblaze trauma build?

[harsh urchin]

crit/flak nexus/blaze

[lethal lagoon]

flak 5% crit would be the ideal. But you can only have one, so pick which one to replace ranged damage

[harsh urchin]

it's actually a pretty demanding build to gear

missing any one of those 4 fucks you real hard

[urban sandal]

and not having near capped damage/blast radius and charge rate isn't great either

almost need a god roll for a good blaze trauma

[strange bone]

I'll stick to the surge cannonball machine for now then

at least I have blazing spirit

I want get rending shockwave

[snow coral]

lately my FPS have been dropping, today the game is almost unplayable. I have changed nothing on my end. Anyone else experiencing that?

[rotund dagger]

500k at brunts btw

Thank God Hadron gave me maniac and warp flurry first go

[jaunty iron]

assuming i slap surge and warp nexus on the staff in my shop its an upgrade right? I'm just unsure I need the crit rate perk for surge to be good or if warp nexus and base crit rate good enough.

[quiet wolf]

what's the mod for this, could you link it?

[lethal lagoon]

Thunder Hammer Meta

[lethal lagoon]

It's a super secret invite only club 🤓

🤓

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[shadow wigeon]

I wouldn't buy the one on the left, unless you want to meme with Blazing Spirit. The one you have already is about as good.

[hearty oak]

My wrist hurts looking at that

[hearty oak]

And i dont know if i can post links in here but on the modding discord, you just look for the WCM (Weapon customization mod) and just click pin for the latest release

[quiet wolf]

would someone be willing to teach a newly made psyker main to do the funny spear

[shadow wigeon]

Surge blessing causes an extra shot to fire when you crit (effectively double damage, although it has to hit something). On Trauma, it only works on the bolt attack (LMB). Which isn't really good enough to be worth while.
On Void, it triggers an extra shot on bolt and on charged shot, and Void also benefits from crits quite well, which is why people like it.

[bold flint]

oh, when did they change warp flurry to only stack up to 3

[shadow wigeon]

It stacks up to 3, but decays much more slowly now. You can stay at 3 stacks more easily.

[hasty breach]

this is on my melk's today! precog to uncanny or slaughterer?

[lethal lagoon]

https://discord.com/invite/GFyCGNpJb8

[lethal lagoon]

You've never choked your grip on a sledgehammer?

It makes you feel invincible

[strong gulch]

My wrists hurt because they are feeble.

[rocky raven]

executor/uncanny

[mighty olive]

anyone got a good dagger i can take a look at? thought about tryin to make one >_<

[strong gulch]

Check the Atheneum up in the pins. Pygex even has video on the new knife.
https://youtu.be/mY2jlkkG5Cw?si=EDi5lA50FfCkdalu

[mighty olive]

ty<3

[frozen swallow]

dont talk to me or my gremlin ever again

[paper loom]

With Karnak twins or any boss for that matter, I feel like psyker does nothing....what's the best thing we can do to help as it feels like I do zero dmg to shields

[elfin roost]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[ember orbit]

in the skill tree “lighting storm” it says “increase the number of times your smite jumps by 1” what does that mean?

[steep fractal]

i did plenty of damage to their shields with the deimos stab heavy, mostly whenever i could i would go zapping the angry specials chasing people with the surge staff to free them from having to run around trying not to die

i also used the speed boost from disrupt destiny to clear mines

[paper loom]

So no use shooting them with revolver?

I'm using fully charged surgical shots with scyers gaze up and it feels like it does nothing

[hearty oak]

there is statistically a chance one psyker player has finished off the karnak twins hm with perils of the warp

[steep fractal]

i never tried using the revolver on them, but the sword one's shield takes more damage from ranged attacks while the gun guy's takes more from melee

[paper loom]

Ah didn't know that

[frozen swallow]

I.. Think it means it'll branch out one time further (So, instead of... FOR EXAMPLE having 8 at max because it goes from one, to two, to four, to eight, It'll jump once again to 16)

[paper loom]

I tried it like 10 times last night with random ppl think that's it for me anyway lol might lvl an ogryn as psyker feels like a hinderence for that fight

[restive slate]

Psyker with Trauma or Purg and ability like Shield is really good vs Twins

[paper loom]

How about surge staff?

[restive slate]

Keeps grunts off other players and shield nullifies Rodin

[hasty breach]

i wish you could qeue for hardmode

[frozen swallow]

random people.
Like-... Pubs?

[restive slate]

Not much help other than elite killing

Can be done, just not easy

[ember orbit]

Ohhh that makes sense, ty!

[steep fractal]

i dont think i was a hindrance, deimos with flak, carapace, deflect, uncanny. surge staff with flak, carapace, flurry, nexus. smite, bubble shield, disrupt destiny

[restive slate]

Is it just me or is Disrupt Destiny underrated?

[steep fractal]

when the shield goes down just smack their head with heavy attacks and they will take solid damage

i only used it for this fight specifically but i thought it was quite fun

[paper loom]

OK I think I have a decent fire staff il try that , it's when the maulers appear and everyone scatters leaving me smiting 5

[frozen swallow]

It gets a lot of shit because of people not utilizing it well.

[hard hatch]

I can’t remember what video I saw it in, but apparently twins are equally resistant to ranged. But rinda takes double damage from melee and Rodin takes 3x damage from melee

[frozen swallow]

Or people utilizing it and not being able to really work with it

[paper loom]

I like disrupt destiny , especially with revolver its like esp

[frozen swallow]

(Or falling into the 30 max stack for 15 second trap)

[paper loom]

How is it a trap?

[steep fractal]

having to kill your target every 15 seconds is a massive pain compared to having 30 seconds to do it

[paper loom]

Ah but I always see targets constantly

Biggest pain for me is having fat ass ogryns standing in my line of fire constantly

[frozen swallow]

There's people that couldn't even get the eldritch battery penance (300 seconds (5 minutes) at max warp stacks) back when BB gave stacks on any kill.

ontop of that, Sometimes you just get a bad target who dies immediately to someone else.

(keep in mind: Its not that hard to just hold BB and pop the first walker you see)

[steep fractal]

i found a boss fight in a wide open arena with no obstacles was the perfect environment for it

using brain burst without empowered causes me physical pain though

[frozen swallow]

that said-
I haven't used it and tbh i'm too deep into wildfire pilling to swap off of warp stacks.

[paper loom]

I haven't missed worrying about getting warp stacks

Before class changes just felt like I was constantly trying to bb just to keep stacks up

[restive slate]

Was trying to shake off that pattern when the patch first dropped haha

[silk hawk]

Good that i started as zeal....

[restive slate]

I started since beta... seen so many changes, vomings and goings lol

But the grind, the grind never ends

[jovial chasm]

Is a kinetic flayer build viable at all?

[silk hawk]

We suppose to know what is that mean xD?

[steep fractal]

too random to be worth it for the most part, but can add a little extra damage to bosses

[jovial chasm]

Just wondering, I’m considering making a psyker alt and don’t really know their meta

[silk hawk]

For leveling ass sale

For end game smite or ass sale

Whatever u like more

[restive slate]

Purgatus is easy, burn everything

[silk hawk]

Bb is currently lacking

Gunpsyker + scrier if u want to deal big boss dmg

In all other builds bosd dmg is a weak spot

[steep fractal]

i use brain burst to kill anything out of my staffs range, and to do some solid initial damage to bosses. id probably never use it without empowered though

[silk hawk]

All staffs are playable

[silk hawk]

I was like that until the moment i learn how to use staff left click xD

[steep fractal]

left click just knocks enemies around too much and feels bad to aim

[silk hawk]

Whatever u prefer more, i dont judge

[steep fractal]

if im trying to kill a sniper i dont want him to just fall over and get up and shoot again 5 seconds later

[silk hawk]

Lmb will not knock him, if u missed hs it will just stagger him a bit

So usually when throw 2 or 3 balls in same spot it will kill him

Him, bombers, trappers and even gunners...

[steep fractal]

i would probably use the left click a lot more if they fixed the aiming, theres a delay before the ball shoots out but it always goes where you were aiming when you clicked, not where your aiming when it actually shoots

[hearty oak]

Some taking more effort than others

[hearty oak]

If you want the zoom-zoom playstyle, then mk 5 columns (Dumdum/punishing salvo) + scriers gaze. Smite or assail for blitz, dealers choice. Assail is good for horde control but peril control is needed

empath evasion is so disgusting to use.

[elfin roost]

Its him

[outer vessel]

ok. lol

I bought this staff with a 25 t4 and lv 1 warp nexus

I thought about it for like 5 seconds and said "wait, what if I just replace t1 warp nexus first, it might just roll a t4 version instead"

big funny moment

anyways, not sure another blessing works well with this thing, but wondering what to replace perk-wise

Flak?

Elite?

Crit damage?

[hasty breach]

is terrifying barrage doing anything for you? it already staggers everything. flak is popular. along with crit chance

[outer vessel]

It was the only blessing I had to replace it with for the time being!

I'll swap it to a better blessing when I get one

[hasty breach]

gotcha

[outer vessel]

It was a last minute choice to swap t1 nexus for it, and I got really lucky that it rolled t4 nexus as a result

[hasty breach]

i would do flak

get rid of unarmoured

[outer vessel]

Ye, just did it

I guess it's a tie between focused channeling and flurry

run n gun continues to haunt staves as a terrible blessing

[elfin roost]

I found that Smite works pretty good as a "no" style tool

Surrounded by a horde and your team is in another planet? Smite and fry until well done (98% peril)

Dogs, especially Pox Hound Packs? Smite and fry until team is about done killing them

Generally just anything you need to give your team time to deal with? Smite

Also I just like how it looks, ik the others are better

[plucky flax]

Just play smite only the whole round.

Easy win.

[elfin roost]

Exaccctly

Assail is insane against snipers now that Im testing it

[austere warren]

Shit don't even need it for the damage some times, just linking a mob and throwing them down again and again

[stone canyon]

It took Voidstrike Staff to finally be able to drop my leveling crutch, which was Assail

[austere warren]

Assail is a lot more interesting than I thought it was going to be with how well you can actually manipulate it.

[elfin roost]

Smite is my preferred weapon

[austere warren]

My only issue right now is just getting used to relearning psyker defensive choices in melee and juggling between swapping between any kind of weapon and your blitz. The peril management isn't too difficult, I just end up overdoing it when I tunnel.

[elfin roost]

Assail is cool but single target is the last thing I suffer with

[austere warren]

For me right now, it's just fluidly keeping momentum between casting and melee fighting and knowing when is better to commit to one thing over another.

I don't have trauma force staves like i used to.

[elfin roost]

Generally, switch to melee when you're within a range where you're more likely to get hit than to pull off a full charge spell

[ornate hamlet]

I think there's a mod that creates a custom priority buff bar similar to the one available for Vermintide

[elfin roost]

Make distance once you can and then go back to cc casting, assuming you're using a staff for that

[ornate hamlet]

I'd say it's good practice to put true aim stacks on a place where you can see them better, so you know exactly when to toss a dart

But since the entire buff bar comes along without the mod, you need to dabble a bit in that other bar mod

[stone canyon]

Shop offering 0 staffs, too many regular weapons in Psyker arsenal that flood it

[ornate hamlet]

As for defensive psyker plays

Just hold RMB and click frenetically

[elfin roost]

Smite and thunder stave

Lightning exclusive build

[stone canyon]

Whats up with Recon Lasgun, never seen anyone use it or even mention it

[sullen bobcat]

It's dogshit

[ornate hamlet]

it's a worse infantry autogun

[sullen bobcat]

It had like 2 seconds of fame during beta and patch 13

But has been bad at all other times

Low damage, and high TTK

So you have a large ish ammo capacity just to have like a quarter of the total damage of a IAG

[stone canyon]

Melk offering perfect blessing such, but guess ill just hardskip

[ornate hamlet]

the advantages it has, namely the lower recoil (singular, then), is offset by the player just pulling their mouse down a bit on an IAG

[sullen bobcat]

Tbh, I grab things that look nice even if it's a bad gun because it could always be buffed later

[ornate hamlet]

And even if the player bodyshots a bit on an IAG, if they hit some headshots they already deal good damage because the headshot modifier is just stupid

[stone canyon]

Id consider that if i wasnt new and very low on Melk currency

[ornate hamlet]

It's good practice

[hearty sinew]

What should I change for these two surge staffs?

[stone canyon]

Now i need the essentials, not the niche that might be good 6 months from now

[sullen bobcat]

Usually, I just buy things from Melk to rip off the blessings

[ornate hamlet]

Well, if you're interested in an IAG I'd personally suggest the graia

[woven basin]

Is "anticipation" talent still bugged as Atheneum claims?

[ornate hamlet]

people love the columnus and its damage, but I find the recoil too exaggerated and the bursts too long to kill for my taste

[vestal fulcrum]

Why would it be bugged?

I.e., in what way

[woven basin]

Doesnt improve dodge time

[vestal fulcrum]

IMO Pygex just doesn’t have good info on it

[vestal fulcrum]

It does, but the increase is so minuscule that “50%” is very hard to notice

[ornate hamlet]

I don't think even Fatshark knows what their dodge does

I remember someone, I think it was Pygex, testing the dodge against a crusher

[vestal fulcrum]

Dodge longer time* makes it so enemies lose track of you for some time* after dodging

[woven basin]

Got it, thanks

[vestal fulcrum]

That time is very short

It’s like 0.2s

[ornate hamlet]

And apparently some attacks actually get iframes

While others are still treated as physical

He was dodging an overhead into a wall, I think

[vestal fulcrum]

If you increase that by 50%, it’s an increase from 0.2 to 0.3

[near wyvern]

Dodge does various things. Against ranged attacks it's pure immunity frames, against melee attacks it only detaches the tracking but only if you have dodge frames during the attack release animation.

Then for plogryn overhead & stomp it provides pure immunity frames.

[near wyvern]

I frame checked it, there is no increase in dodge duration

https://youtu.be/_mwavfvjARE

[vestal fulcrum]

Mhm, so there was a scientific approach to this problem

I am happy to be proved wrong

[near wyvern]

When you have me mentioned it's always Scientific solution or no solution acquired

[vestal fulcrum]

Okay, but, hold on

That was a ranged attack

Did you check it on melee as well?

[near wyvern]

No need, since melee only looses tracking if you have dodge frames within the release animation

You can see there is no difference in the dodge frames

Which means the duration increase is not working

You can verify this both, by the numeric UI mod as well as the damage ticks

[sullen bobcat]

Tbh, I only figured the extra dodge part would be useful

[near wyvern]

If dodge duration would work it would be seen here as well

[near wyvern]

1 dodge for 1 talent point is not very useful

[sullen bobcat]

It's mostly an extra dump if I have nothing better to do

[near wyvern]

Especially since the dodges don't have a hard stop, you can do a couple after the limit they will just be shorter and a bit slower

[vestal fulcrum]

But that’s not what the skill changes, as far as I understand

This is an excerpt from Kuli’s guide on class skills

Anticipation essentially makes it so it’s harder for enemies to re-track you after a dodge, because if you do a bad dodge, the enemy will catch up to you at its end

This increases the grace period in which your character is still considered to be in a dodge state

It’s VERY minimal an increase

And this only works on melee attacks, as far as I’m concerned

With this in mind though, I don’t think this is a very good skill, still

[summer prairie]

I got a precog proc with anticipation 15 frames/0.25s after my dodging status had changed to false. Doesn't exactly prove that it works since I don't exactly know how the blessing works

[plucky flax]

Just played as zealot with 3 psykers. 2 of them using revolvers and spam "I need ammo" the whole game ._.

[vestal fulcrum]

[cunning bone]

😭

they're cracked trust

100% accuracy

[half iron]

peak

[ornate hamlet]

About to roll up a Psyker, what's everyone's favourite voice?

[vestal fulcrum]

Male Loner

[ornate hamlet]

classic

[plucky flax]

Spoiler: I had way more special kills than both of them combined.

[vestal fulcrum]

Peak comedy and cringe potential, while also being the voice of an “edgelord”

[plucky flax]

Freaking space cowboys out here spamming their revolvers at horde.

[west fox]

Sweats in psyker using a revolver

[plucky flax]

I use revolver on psyker too, just not exclusively use it against everything.

I never felt the need to spam "I need ammo" as a revolver psyker.

[west fox]

I like it because it's a really good and fast way to drop specials and disablers while not draining perils

and it's a fast switch in and out

but yeah, I don't drain it for ammo.

I'm actually still learning psyker. Only like true level +13 or something

Actually, could I post the bubble build I'm using? I'd be grateful for some pointers.

no idea what I'm doing

[plucky flax]

You can try it yeah why not.

I don't play bubble so my opinion won't be that valid.

[west fox]

<--- ogryn main

[plucky flax]

But I'm sure others can help.

I am zealot and psyker main. The fast Bois

[west fox]

Ogryn can be fast. Just jump off ledge. Ogryn heavier, so falls faster.

[plucky flax]

[potent echo]

About that..

[west fox]

This is what I'm running

I'm gonna try with smite also

[plucky flax]

Right away, you lack a lot of toughness regen.

With assail, soulstealer is best.

[west fox]

But I'm using a mk4 duelling sword and pistol, so assail helps my horde clear and acts as a perils dump. If I went Smite, I'd grab the mkV force sword

[plucky flax]

Also get empathic evasion with assail and true aim. Big synergy there.

[west fox]

[cunning bone]

^^

[west fox]

Soulstealer, emphatic, true aim... I'll have a tinker

[plucky flax]

I'd go this way, which leaves you 3 points to allocate.

[west fox]

Shall I take emphatic instead of anticipation? or both?

is perilous combustion that good?

[plucky flax]

You might not notice it in normal gameplay but when a sudden elites pack drop on you it shines.

Shotgunners and gunners pack in particular.

[west fox]

yeah, makes sense

I'm looking at the choice between bio-lodestone and overpowering souls. Wouldn't bio be better for assail?

[cunning bone]

how necessary would you say the extra soul blaze is on elite kills?

[cunning bone]

i think overpowering is better cause it guarantees the death of many when engaging in elite packs

[plucky flax]

No because during fights with elites you are guaranteed for extra free assails.

[west fox]

Got it. Thank you

[plucky flax]

You still get the small chance for ep, it's not like it'll only come from elites kill.

[plucky flax]

It's a must have talent for me. It makes certain modifiers become a lot more manage able like hunting grounds and muties train.

Since those guys are squishier specials, then spread of flame will take them all out if you manage to kill 2 or 3.

[west fox]

For the 3 left over, I'm grabbing Psychic Leeching, as well as the two remaining +15 toughness nodes for overall durability

Does this sound ok?

[cunning bone]

didnt even think of that, ty

[plucky flax]

Aye just do what you want. You can change up the entire tree of course to your liking.

It was just my suggestion.

[west fox]

I'm happy to just go with something tried and true until I get better

Then I'll get more creative.

[cunning bone]

your suggestions are cracked, im currently nutting over pushing the pace with extra bleed

[plucky flax]

Me playing basically 1 build on psyker. Creeping flames

[plucky flax]

Yeah zealot chat hate double bleed but it's genuinely not bad.

You can crit then leave and be confident the target will die to bleed.

[cunning bone]

and the attack speed is 👌

perfecto

[plucky flax]

Just have to be more aware of specials since you'll be very far away from team most of the time.

https://youtu.be/_88_iKC4Vug

[cunning bone]

i switched to the handcannon cause i cant use throwing knives for sheet

[west fox]

the important thing is have I got my fashion down?

[cunning bone]

this was hilarious

[plucky flax]

Mfw I'm taking care of 50 shooters and get flamed.

[cunning bone]

peak, id smash

[cunning bone]

i still want to know how you can charge a room full of shooters with no fear and without your team

well i know how, you're built different, still, just how

[plucky flax]

I pray a sneaky trapper or doggy won't get me.

[cunning bone]

looooooooo

[idle bay]

1. Imagine that your reject have a wheels attached to his ass.
2. SLIDE A LOT!

[west fox]

just tried that psyker build in a pug damnation

[strong gulch]

You were the reason they could even get into the room. like wtf

[west fox]

went really well actually. Had a solid team, mind. But going by scoreboard, it covered all the bases

ofc, being an assail build, it topped lesser enemies killed and damage dealt. So I kinda ignored those stats, as they're padded af.

But the build is really fun and has great toughness recovery.

[cunning bone]

you, are right. i just needa slide more

[idle bay]

I'm barely ever slide miself - because i'm lazy 🙂

I reserve it only for carrying batteries or capsules

[west fox]

@plucky flax ty for the build. I'll be keeping it

[cunning bone]

W

[outer vessel]

90 voidstrike staves=you never get surge or warp nexus

rolls like four purgatus staves=here's a godroll, enjoy

[potent echo]

purgatus only has 3 blessings lol

4 if you include run and gun

[plucky flax]

[plucky flax]

Yeah your original tree didn't have soulstealer with assail, which was very odd so that was the first fix it needed.

Just had a game with 3 very fast bois. Regretted taking trauma for it.

[onyx hornet]

yall, which aura would you recommend for a build using brain burst?

[plucky flax]

CDR is best aura imo.

[onyx hornet]

alr ill try that out

[ornate hamlet]

CDR ye

[onyx hornet]

tysmm

xo

[ornate hamlet]

more screams = more uptime on being op

[onyx hornet]

merci

[ornate hamlet]

emjoy o7

[plucky flax]

Take the cdr talent too.

And

Goated creeping flames talents.

[ornate hamlet]

Hi all, im a new psyker player and love using the assail but i find it a bit weak in heresy, anything i can do to buff it?

this is my loadout so far

[rich jolt]

Assail is strong how are you using it?

[ornate hamlet]

hmm spam shooting it at enemies lol

and if theres a sniper i aim down

[rich jolt]

Youre supposed to weave assail shots in with your primary to make up for cooldown

Assail spam got nerfed a bit ago

[onyx hornet]

yes omgg ty

[ornate hamlet]

ahh ok i usually just use assail but ill combo it i guess

[onyx hornet]

i love sage like classes in games

[ornate hamlet]

the hotkeys to swap between are a bit awkward though

[onyx hornet]

acc so fun to use

[ornate hamlet]

between assail and weapons

I really find hordes troubling

[rich jolt]

You can change hotkeys on pc cant you?

[ornate hamlet]

but before i played ogyrn and level 30 horde and it was piss easy i think i need to fix my positioning

even on auric hordes were easy as ogryn but with pyscher its a bit tricky

[rich jolt]

Psyker needs to hide behind meatier classes to be as effective as possible. Let your zealot or ogryn take the heat and support them

You are very squish

[west fox]

is this good? Or shall I replace something?

Idk how psyker blessings interract with aoe

can transfer peril proc on the 2ndary or only on the primary?

and can Transfer Peril and Surge proc from Trauma Staff's AoE?

[hasty breach]

traditionally (following the pygex guide and my own experience now) warp nexus is taken over transfer peril for the dps increase. your perks look fine. it's a good staff.

[severe laurel]

Not sure if trauma can do weak spot hits

[potent echo]

no unless lmb

[severe laurel]

Transfer Peril will proc on voidstrike secondary though Plague

Possibly multiple times with multiple heads?

[sullen bobcat]

Yes

You usually go negative in peril generation on horde as a result

[ionic needle]

So flurry + transfer should make it very good for horde clear then? Maybe even roll with gaze since you can keep up the buff if you hit heads?

[sullen bobcat]

Yep

I have a build like that

Surge is generally better though

[severe laurel]

Surge and Warp Nexus is so satisfying

Wait, is surge the extra projectile on crit?

[ionic needle]

Maybe BB + gaze + EP so you can keep up horde clear and pull out BB for specials/elites?

[severe laurel]

or do you mean the staff?

Ah yeah, surge is the +1 projectile on crit

[glossy ember]

scrier + transfer + surge (blessing)

trust

[west fox]

Can surge funtion on the secondary?

[vestal fulcrum]

It can’t

[west fox]

aww.

[vestal fulcrum]

Not currently, anyway

[west fox]

so the blessings on this are bad, yes?

[vestal fulcrum]

[west fox]

thanks

[vestal fulcrum]

Unyielding is OK, Terribarrage is terrible

Crit damage is terrible, Surge is non-functional besides primary fire

So you could save it for the better days, or salvage Surge off of it

[west fox]

Brunt, please

Why

[hidden pilot]

[ionic needle]

Stick nexus and soulblaze on it and it'll be fine

[hidden pilot]

I'm really struggling to play psyker. I feel like I just run around and shoot my staff. Then again I'm only lvl 8 and play mostly Vet, and Zeal.

[untold sail]

ccold use some tweaking as we are always dead least when it cose to moving cold we get some speed boost? and dmg scaling is lacking comperd to other classes as well

[plucky flax]

[vestal fulcrum]

And then Blaze trauma scales Psyker’s damage out of control

[rustic falcon]

Don’t sleep on the Psyker only melee weapons, they’re super fun

[analog agate]

Not optimal obviously, but for months a made due with a 56% dmg blaze trauma staff and still topped the scoreboard on kills/dmg.

[hidden pilot]

For sure! I think I just need to power through and get to 30.

[rustic falcon]

The class as a whole picks up once you pick your blitz and active ability

[ornate hamlet]

most of the damage is on the burn anyway

[rare arrow]

What’s wrong with this?

As long as you’re looking at the burn build this is perfectly fine

This weapon will not be the reason you aren’t clearing content

[rare arrow]

Psyker is nuts after talents were added. I couldn’t get into anything but zealot before, but since talents and giving class another 100+ hours Psyker is home. You can play it so many different ways and it feels so strong.

I did a second psyker run to 30 and did it in ~25 games, just to see the leveling experience. You can take a low level psyker into any difficulty and a good player can still clear it.

[plucky flax]

For me it tends to be 50-50, or 60 damage from staff, 40% from burn.

[rare arrow]

I think all that matters on trauma is does a full charge kill the basic enemies

If yes, then you have plenty of damage on the fire build

[plucky flax]

Latest blaze trauma game. 26 mins maelstrom

It was 50-50.

[rare arrow]

Ooo, your scoreboard has stats I want on mine

I use some of the mods but I don’t have one that breaks down where the damage came through.

[plucky flax]

Yeah I have warpfire damage stat.

[rare arrow]

Note to self, get that tonight lol

[plucky flax]

So people can see how effective blaze trauma is at burning.

Cos when I recommend it they say "uh the burn don't do any damage".

[rare arrow]

I wanted to test whether or not taking venting really mattered, as bubble typically feels better to me on blaze trauma

[plucky flax]

It absolutely will.

[rare arrow]

I get this a lot then share 800k - 1m scoreboards. Though your 26m run is fairly fast

[plucky flax]

I would never play blaze trauma without creeping flames personally.

Yeah I think I joined a 3 man team.

Cos they were moving fast.

[ornate hamlet]

true
The direct damage does do a ton vs a fair share of stuff

[rare arrow]

Then how much of that warp fire is coming from venting and not trauma?

[plucky flax]

So I had to run after them.

[rare arrow]

Are your extra info mods on nexus?

[hidden pilot]

I wanna Palpatine heretics but the fire seems to be where it's at lol

[plucky flax]

Ovenproof addon for scoreboard mod.

[plucky flax]

You can absolutely wreck with surge + smite.

I didn't play amazingly well in this round and still got 700+k in 28 mins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2bFmK73DjE

[hidden pilot]

Is there a build in the video, or is it just showing off what you can do? I'd love to see the build, and weapons. Just for reference

[plucky flax]

Yeah mate right at the start.

[rare arrow]

Would you mind DMing me that? I have a small brain and will forget before I’m out of work

[hidden pilot]

I'll take a peek!

[plucky flax]

Just search ovenproof on nexus.

[rare arrow]

I’ll check it out when I’m off in 10 hours

[hasty breach]

help me salvage this.

unarmoured to carapace and go all in on crit with shred? then ... what

[digital narwhal]

I wouldn't use Carapace on a Chainsword.

[hidden pilot]

I'm ready to get shamed into oblivion but what is soulblaze?

[digital narwhal]

blue glowy fire

[hidden pilot]

Is that from the weapon your using, or from the blitz?

[hasty breach]

so just flak like everything then? i was hopeful itd help with crushers

[weak bay]

Unarmored to Flak definitely not Carapace, honestly I'm not 100% sure you'd want to change anything else

That is kind of an insane setup

[digital narwhal]

Flak 100%

[hidden pilot]

Oh wait from the Perilous Combustion?

[weak bay]

If you want a Psyker melee for dealing with crushers do like a Deimos or something

[digital narwhal]

Purgatus Staff, Perilous Combustion, Creeping Flames, Blazing Spirit, etc.

[weak bay]

Not Chainsword

[digital narwhal]

I'd just change both Perks to Flak + Infested
Normally you wouldn't use Infested if you have Rampage, but alas

you've got a Crit set up

Psyker has enough innate crit chance in the tree for the 5% crit chance not to be of much consequence, especially with Shred

[hasty breach]

i keep hearing this and it doesnt make sense to me - is there a cap? surely more is always better?

[digital narwhal]

There is no cap, but another Perk is better in this situation than just 5% Crit Chance

It's about how much it gives you in the long run

[plucky flax]

Crit chance for me is really good up to 50%, but if you have say 50~80%, then it's like roll the dice if it crit or not.

[digital narwhal]

You have massive Crit Chance on Psyker anyway, especially if you're using Shred, so get yourself a Perk that benefits it's performance from a neutral perspective

[plucky flax]

So for me I normally don't take the extra 10% crit chance on zealot piety keystone at the bottom.

[hasty breach]

do you know the number, by the way? the base

[digital narwhal]

Psyker has 7.5% crit chance baseline

[rocky raven]

depends on build there are a few cases but 90% of time ya, the aura def less valuable than others. the node at bottom is free anyway since any crit built takes true aim.

CD + eliteCD talent way more valuable for team/ Elite can bypass a breakpoint for mid wep rolls

[digital narwhal]

You have a 5% crit chance node in the tree, and the Prescience Aura for another 5%

So you can get a standing crit chance of 17.5%
Shred gives you 5 stacks of 4%, which gives you 37.5% at all 5 stacks

So would you rather have extra damage vs an armour type, or go to 42.5%?

[digital narwhal]

I mean yeah, it's case by case

but with a Chainsword? You've got enough attack speed to not need to min max your crit chance entirely

[rocky raven]

oh HELL no lmaoo

def not Chainsword

[digital narwhal]

Blazing Trauma absolutely wants as much Crit Chance as possible, same as Surge Voidstrike

but generally, the higher the attack speed, the less that minimal increments of crit chance matters

[rocky raven]

even surge, the 5% dmg/elite aura pushes the BP farther than 5% crit

[hasty breach]

crits augment power beyond damage, right? but youre suggesting that's not super important in real play?

[digital narwhal]

Crit provides higher damage, higher cleave, and pseudo-rending on the attack that procs it

It's not really Rending, since it's not actually providing you with the Rending buff, but it does increase your ADM on proc

[hasty breach]

ok

[summer prairie]

even if you are already at 50% crit, with void crit% is better than anything else

[digital narwhal]

Yeah, due the generally low attack rate

in comparison to other things

[rocky raven]

yea, but void also getting 2x atkspeed from crit, more about the proc than the dmg boost tbf.

almost all cases in fact crit is used as a utility/engine vs for the direct dmg boost

[hasty breach]

so it's an expected value thing right? 5% crit chance would be around 7% extra flat damage across the board (350-213)x(0.05)?

[summer prairie]

that would be 7 extra flat damage, not 7%

but that's not the correct way to calculate it

[hasty breach]

yea that's why i'm asking about it

i think youre right it's 7

ok thank you for explaining this to me without snark

[austere warren]

You love to see it.

[rocky raven]

not exactly, it works out in this case but dmg is intentionally obscured.

you gotta take
[wepbase pwr - targetresist] in chart above for the ADM(after factoring rend/brittle first, THEN finess after) as base real dmg for that hit.
then calc crit (base varies by wep, most usually ~5-25%+dmg)

Now to calculate weakspot or crit bonuses specifically, you have to take the body damage from the chart and minus that from the weakspot/crit number, again from the chart.

all that doesnt rly matter unless you care to dive in, what it means/ you should take away is what +weakspot% and +CritDmg% modifiers only calc of the existing bonus dmg

Lets say gun hits 100 normal / 138 crit on Flak armor in torso for example-
when you take a +10% crit Dmg maxroll perk, its ONLY giving you +10% of the 38 additional crit damage, not the whole base. Same for weakspot.

it's not 10% more damage,
138 > 141.8 = 2.7% effective more dmg when you crit. same applies for weakspots

[devout robin]

it's why stacking crit bonuses or just opting for pure damage are heavily suggested

[hasty breach]

i will copy that down somewhere and look mournfully at my crit-based weapons later

[devout robin]

mercy killer is good on the combat knife because it gives a ludicrously high increase that ends up being still decent value

or why gaze + disrupt destiny ends up doing a lot more than you would think with this information

[rare arrow]

If it makes you feel better, none of that matters. Not to that level of detail anyways.

[devout robin]

yeah, it's basically just 'weak/crit damage only apply to the additional damage portion they provide'

it's only valuable over normal damage boosts in very high increments

[rare arrow]

All you need to understand are the fundamentals

[hasty breach]

still, i'd LIKE to know the details as i tick another hundred hours on the game, so i appreciate it

[rare arrow]

Damage > crit when you’re looking to hit harder
Crit >damage when you’re looking to proc a mechanic (like surge blessing on a void staff)

[rocky raven]

does weapon crit or weakspot with particular atk HARD? (Dueling Mk IV) we're in business to do something

[rare arrow]

There is also the weapon calc for breakpoints, as long as your weapon is hitting the BPs you need then you have ‘enough’ damage

[devout robin]

mk4 dueling sword imbued with the force of 3 neutron stars per thrust

[hasty breach]

sigh i like the dueling mk 4 but having my arm behind my back just looks too dippy for me to bear

[devout robin]

i think its neat

plus i don't play in third person

[rocky raven]

youre ijn first person you dont have to see it

[rare arrow]

I use the MK4 almost exclusively

[hasty breach]

i also dont see that i've shaved in the morning ;_;

[rare arrow]

It’s so much better than every other melee imo

They have their places, I understand that

[hasty breach]

i've been using the mk 6 dagger a lot

[rare arrow]

I just never take them over the DS Mk4

[rocky raven]

deimos i-kill-you now sword fun too, but i love the mobility

[devout robin]

combat blades are a fine alternative

deimos too yeah

but the mk4 does it all

[rocky raven]

almost

[devout robin]

u right

[rare arrow]

Right? DS is so mobile. I’d only consider the single target Deimos if mine hit the 3 shot crusher/1 shot mutie BP and also if I wanted something defensive like deflector

[potent echo]

gonna try scrier purg again

[rare arrow]

Also, being able to knock ragers out of their combo with the DS is funny stuff

[hasty breach]

i assume then weak spot damage is as bad as critical damage, generally

[rocky raven]

not necessariily

[devout robin]

it's marginally higher value because you can control when you hit a weak spot

but it is still under the pitfall of only increasing the additional portion of damage provided by hitting one

[rare arrow]

This

If a mutie charges me I can guarantee a weakpoint hit, but I can’t guarantee a crit

[rocky raven]

the Deimos bosskiller setup example it actually matters a ton, due to being able to stack uncanny/executor during the special #psyker-class message

need basically max Dmg/finesse/firsttarget rolls to juice its multipliers when it go boom

[rare arrow]

The reason I’d take a Deimos over DS right here

And the only one lol

Hard mode twins

[rocky raven]

i sometimes do with purg for Bigboi/Crusher option

[rare arrow]

DS 3 shots crushers

So I just use it

[glass forge]

Any auric maelstrum advice? When a new mutant charges your team every 5 seconds it is very hard to spot them when melee enemies cover your screen.

[rocky raven]

more about having the shield occasionally for when i cant pop all the shootyheads and need cover

[rare arrow]

DS one shots muties

[rocky raven]

cause purg

[rare arrow]

Smite can stun everything

[rare arrow]

What’s your build look like?

[glass forge]

Blaze trauma and assail

[rare arrow]

Melee and Active?

[glass forge]

Chainsword and bubble

[rocky raven]

Duelling Mk IV >
Maniac 20%+
Uncanny
Precog

sidestep + poke it once

shred is also an option but i migrated to precog after seeing how mobile the playstyle is, its almost always up in a fight and its a crazy boost on IV

[rare arrow]

I didn’t answer because I run essentially the same build but with Ds mk4 and don’t have the problem you’re having so I don’t have any useful advice I think

[glass forge]

Got to somehow hear mutants and poxbursters better. Not sure if surround sound speakers work at all in this game

[hearty dagger]

I'm just gonna put this out here, if i don't get Warp Nexus or Warp Nexus on this staff i will absolutely lose it.

[rocky raven]

is it a hopeful keeper or farm trash

[hearty dagger]

Hopeful keeper

Very solid stats all around.

[rocky raven]

intended rerolls are not blessings then i take it lol

[hearty dagger]

Already have one with Surge, problem is it's at 55% damage

You see, i rolled Blazing Spirit and Sprint Efficiency

[rare arrow]

Trauma?

[hearty dagger]

I would rather get rid of both for something better.

Voidstrike.

[rocky raven]

perks solid or no

[hearty dagger]

It can be related to trauma because i'm fucking traumatized

+20% damage on flak armor and 15% sprint efficiency.

[rocky raven]

eh

[hearty dagger]

The second one has to go.

I can live with flak damage.

[rocky raven]

if you cant live w sprint then trash it for blaze/ other for surge.

otw keep and live w/sprint, and roll others for nexus

how many t4s you have unlocked already

[hearty dagger]

Lemme check

[rocky raven]

also tbf surge the harder to get so youre in luck

[hearty dagger]

Only Warp Flurry

Yeah

[rocky raven]

nexus is workable at lower lvls since variance isnt massive

[hearty dagger]

Funny thing is it rolled with Warp Nexus as well.

Ended up changing it out to Flurry though since by time i had it charged up it was usually sword-o-clock

[rocky raven]

then heres a tip, for the next trash ones you juice to farm, if high modifier grade (~365+), change the perk at Blue to that T4; will push the overall grade up for purp/orange and prevent that from rolling again

[hearty dagger]

I'm keeping it at blazing spirit rn for the express purpose of not rolling it twice.

[rocky raven]

oh i meant your future rolls if on a trash stat staff lol

[hearty dagger]

Makes sense

[hasty breach]

shenanigans

[rocky raven]

not at all lol

[hasty breach]

youve optimized the meta-meta-gameplay xD

[rocky raven]

i mean its really just og game theory

[rare arrow]

I do that when trying to roll new tank 4s

[hearty dagger]

After i get a good voidstrike i'm probably gonna focus on a shredder autopistol.
Already gave up on getting a Bloodthirsty Illisi

[rare arrow]

Bt isn’t really that good

[rocky raven]

dont make the mistake i did and trash a roll with stats that look bad on the bars / assume wrong dumpstat lol

[hearty dagger]

I pull 3 voidstrikes, get one at like 370

I think like 10 autopistols

Have not breached 360 yet.

Got a decent one at least

[rare arrow]

People assume the base score matters and it really doesn’t

[rocky raven]

keep in mind the variances for the stats, blast rad for example has a softer curve at the end it seems vs Quell/Charge you realyl want that high when you inspect the effective % on bar

[rare arrow]

I’d take a 320 if I could pick where the 4 80s go lol

[hearty dagger]

I used to go for good stats but then i realized big number make me feel good so now i just keep pulling until high stat weapon.

[rare arrow]

Slaughter is way better

[hearty dagger]

Already have that roll but i'm kinda thinking of swapping it out for executor so it's less kill-dependent

[rare arrow]

You one shot basic enemies so the kill doesn’t really matter

And slaughterer pushes breakpoints on other enemies

[rocky raven]

moveset isnt the most conducive to spammed executor imo

[rare arrow]

That illisi with any decent damage roll shreds hordes, slaughterer pushes BP and then grab uncanny strikes cause

Cause uncanny strikes

[hearty dagger]

Heavy into light is basically fully horizontal

[plucky flax]

Ain't no way I killed 1.3k enemies and ovenproof scoreboard only gave me 500k damage 😭

The vet with 461 kills has 400k damage wut. I killed more elites and specials too.

Seems kinda screwed.

[vocal cliff]

s just simply built different

[rare arrow]

My damage is usually significantly higher at 1k+ kills. Either they were killing everything before fire could or something is going on

[west fox]

that is the most detailed scoreboard I've ever seen

[plucky flax]

The default scoreboard gave me 750k+

I think that's more true to what happened.

Cos 500k for 1.3k enemies killed seem a bit low.

[rare arrow]

I was excited to try oven, but now I know it’s scuffed 😦

It may be scuffed I mean

[summer prairie]

did the other psyker get 8.9k warpfire from perilous combustion, nice value

[west fox]

I have just discovered the joys of the Trauma staff

[glossy solstice]

Plugins

My scoreboard, and my wife’s do not always agree

[west fox]

relatable

[rare arrow]

I use some scoreboard plugins and mine and the base scoreboard mod are almost always within 1%

[valid sequoia]

i love the one skill that makes blocked damage turn to peril and not reduce stamina

[west fox]

Is it really that useful?

I spend my time shoving and dodging much more than blocking

[glossy solstice]

The scoreboard uses a consul log in order to keep track of things and that is stored locally on each client. The server is what determines what actually happens so if you get a roll back from a de-sync or are experiencing issues that are preventing it from writing or reading from your consul log, then scoreboard will deviate

[valid sequoia]

if you're fighting twins and you have sword twin agro it is so funny because it's only like 3 peril a bit

hit*

so you can kinda just stand there

[plucky flax]

Seems worth it.

[valid sequoia]

and occasionally push her for agro

[plucky flax]

1 point for free 10k damage

[summer prairie]

would get more from kinetic flayer

[plucky flax]

He can't. Was running assail.

[echo frigate]

That's the its actually okay to roll a shit blessing on blue bc it prevents it from being rolled later

[compact thorn]

What perks for purg staff?

[echo frigate]

That exactly

OH PERKS

NOT BLESSINGS

[rocky raven]

well not really but yea theres a bit of game theory

[echo frigate]

Ish

[vestal fulcrum]

You can go Flak/Maniac/Unyielding/Crit chance

Any combination of the above works, depending on what you want to achieve

[rocky raven]

Flakiak

[hearty oak]

perfect timing works on assail, right?

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[hearty oak]

But is it worth using is the real question

[rocky raven]

whats the build

short answer - if it's crit-based and can do headshots then 100%

[tame venture]

i have a bunch of melee kill melk missions to grind on psyker, i've just been using my gunker build with a melee, but which melee would be preferable for grinding it?

[stone canyon]

Should i really grab Stamina curio?

[tame venture]

stam is decent on psyker, he has a small pool but good regen

it's worthwhile, but you can get away without it

[stone canyon]

Talent though that makes blocking go to peril instead

But yeah, ill keep eye open for +3, dont think ive seen such yet

[tame venture]

not always used or useful

[plucky flax]

Curios are preference man.

[mossy surge]

My bren

[glossy solstice]

Stamina regen is arguably the best perk for curios across all classes. Big QOL uplift. with mobility in mind having 3 more is awesome.

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s not what the question was related to, though

[long wharf]

with the changes to how fire hurts players, you can amke a decent arguement for going all toughness, all health, or a mix

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t know. Do you feel like taking a stamina curio to fill that gap?

[long wharf]

there are no longer any mechanics that strip all toughness automatically

however, fire still takes away toughness stupid quick

[echo frigate]

Fire still murders the hell out of people

[long wharf]

yes it does

[glossy solstice]

I have had great results with Stam, T, H across all classes. Stam regen, Ability CD, and sprint efficiency.

[long wharf]

and it seems to work by percentages instead of fixed values

I prefer running 2x health and +3 stamina curios

[echo frigate]

Which really sucks

[glossy solstice]

Every decision should cater to your playstyle and changes fix weaknesses. I did not know I had a problem until I started using more stam curios and more stam regen.

[long wharf]

pre-patch 13, toughness regen was great on curios

now we have so much built-in toughness gain that toughness regen is pointless

[vestal fulcrum]

I play 1x Stamina and 2x Health/Toughness on Psyker and Veteran

I like Stamina on Psyker especially

Because I don’t have to take Kinetic Deflection if I do

And I can skip on Stamina on Vet if I’m not playing with Deadshot skill

[glossy solstice]

With Vet running Shout and Iron will, I use 2 toughness bother otherwise I feel the best layout is one stam, one toughtness and one health curio. With stam regen, ability cooldown, and health or sprint efficiency. I do grab block efficiency on my zealot who ends up tanking a lill too often.

I only really take % health or more than one health curio on Og.

basically a % of a small number is small, % of a big number is better, avoid things that add small amounts and focus on Quality of life, and things that help you avoid damage.

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t think it’s particularly high value on psyker when you have force sword and dueling sword as defensive options. I personally go triple health + Deimos/ds4 with a bunch of gunner/sniper resist and a mix in of bomber and other rando resist as well. IMO that’s a better overall survivability package than some extra stam on a class with shit regen anyway

[long wharf]

on the contrary - psyker has excellent stamina regen

especially stamina regen delay, being the lowest of all the classes

[vestal fulcrum]

Wdym by “shit regen”?

Lack of abilities to regen such? Each class has the same speed at which stamina replenishes.

[spice veldt]

zealot regens 1.5 bars/s

[vestal fulcrum]

The only thing that differs is base stamina amount and the delay before it starts regenerating after actions that expend it/dodges

[stone canyon]

Ok i shall experiment, rather ask here than experiment blindly as just hit 30 and my curios were just for +10% exp

So want sort of generic allpurpose curios to begin with for now

[plucky flax]

Zealot is built different

[zinc phoenix]

Yes. Every other class has a ton of refund stam or more stam stuff. Psyker is lacking in stam related nodes

[long wharf]

it's not "blind" if you have a direction

play with having no stamina curios

then play with having a +3 stamina curio

[vestal fulcrum]

Fair enough

[stone canyon]

Its hard to early on figure out what works and what doesnt, especially when people already done that journey so no need to reinvent the wheel

[vestal fulcrum]

I initially assumed you might have meant the base speed at which stamina regens, which again, don’t change from class A to B

[stone canyon]

Could just be me issue of not knowing yet how to play Psyker with my new weapons correctly

[zinc phoenix]

Your fault 🤷‍♀️

[vestal fulcrum]

Odd response, but I will leave it at that

[rocky raven]

wielded equip also impacts drain/recharge rate & move speed as well

[plucky flax]

[long wharf]

yeah, it doesn't make sense for just the active weapon to set how fast you can move around

weapons should have a weight that applies to the player's carrying total

[zinc phoenix]

Knife doesn’t care about your feelings, it wants zoom zoom

[long wharf]

which should be what determines top sprint speed

knife does indeed want "the zoom zoom"

ds isn't far off

[rocky raven]

it's done to impact your mobility while using; dodge count/distance and how mobile you can be when using

[vestal fulcrum]

Yes, but base values of stam. regeneration speed are identical across all the classes

[long wharf]

I understand the reasoning

I just think it's silly to ignore the weapon you're carrying around

[harsh urchin]

well, technically it is

[rocky raven]

correct (the base part); recharge rate is almost never impacted as well tbf; but hold big thing out of breath quicker

[rocky raven]

and regen is 100% not the same

nor is the speed loss when sprinting without stam

[harsh urchin]

no, regen speed is the same

everything else is diff

he's right

[vestal fulcrum]

But that’s not defined in the base character sheets, this changes with the weapon you have out at the time of sprinting

[vestal fulcrum]

Why do you think it is not?

[summer prairie]

assuming those are still used, which I think is the case

[rocky raven]

yup checks out

easier-to read ver:

[topaz sleet]

this good?

what i have currently

i have this as a replacement?

this a good replacement?

[rocky raven]

perks are eh on both; 2nd one tho you could do nexus + keep flurry , change unarmored to Flak. charge rate is rough tho id take it over bad quell speed imo

[topaz sleet]

i also have this as a potentional replacement

[rocky raven]

blue is better cross fingers and gamba

[topaz sleet]

Oof

[rocky raven]

that your only nexus roll?

[vestal fulcrum]

Hm, so the source I have is out of date it seems. I'm glad to be corrected, cheers.

[topaz sleet]

tho would you say the 10% range damage against elites is better to keep then unarmoured enemies?

[rocky raven]

inspect the warp res on 3 & the charge rate on 2? iirc the curve isnt as aggressive on res comparativly, more linear

[rocky raven]

absolutely lol

but raw-statwise you may be better w/ 3rd and put the flurry IV over run&gun til you get a better roll for surge/nexus

[topaz sleet]

well i got this

also this

[rocky raven]

1 good 2 doodoo

[topaz sleet]

the quell speed i dont mind really

[rocky raven]

you should, inspect the statbar and see what it really gives

[topaz sleet]

i also have the 30% extra quell speed so its more then that currently

[full bane]

Made a Jurgen cosplay, what do y’all think?

[topaz sleet]

ahh dammit

[rocky raven]

scrap for nexus4 quell was horrid anyway

worth for that tho

[topaz sleet]

well here will this work nicely atleast?

[rocky raven]

will do the trick

charge rate rough tho

idr the curve would need to see how much you are losing

[near drift]

Surge voidstrike has been my addiction lately, rng reliant but man you can get some nasty burst damage out with a bit of luck

[rocky raven]

forsure

[tame venture]

i have a bunch of melee kill melk missions to grind on psyker, i've just been using my gunker build with a melee, but which melee would be preferable for grinding it?

[zinc phoenix]

The chosen one!

[zinc phoenix]

Illsi and it’s not even close

[tame venture]

🤔

i've been using a DS4

[zinc phoenix]

Go with surge smite fire build, equip illsi, massacre pox walkers in bulk

[tame venture]

i forget if i built a proper ilisi

[zinc phoenix]

Your problem is you’re using a a pin when you need a blender

When picking melee weapons for melkbux ask yourself: will it blend?

[tame venture]

i thought light spam on ds4 was blendy enough

and i appreciate the heavies being useful and straightforward

[harsh urchin]

ds horde clear is ... acceptable

[near drift]

If you want raw melee kill numbers for melk Illisi is what you want

[harsh urchin]

is probably the word i would use

doesn't compare to some of the more specialized weapons

[tame venture]

I forgot i had this...

any possible thing i would want to change here tho?

[ionic needle]

Blazing spirit on melee weapons isn't great

[eager mantle]

Yea Blaze kinda just eh. But if it's your gunker? Have an illisi with exorcist, pop scriers and you'll be in sciers for so long during a horde

[plucky flax]

Nurgle blessed in hab dreyko. I am not even going to attempt. I know the end event will be absolute hell.

[eager mantle]

The heresy maelstrom being more than any basic damn or even the auric damns

Hab Dreyko is the one with the tree at the end right?

[plucky flax]

Yeah.

[long wharf]

I'd run it for Blitz buffing alone

[plucky flax]

In maelstrom they drop a bunch of specials and elites.

[long wharf]

turns Assail back into what it used to feel like

[plucky flax]

I'd play it without nurgle blessed.

But unstaggerable ragers are no fun.

When 10 of them drop on your ass. Xd

[long wharf]

unstaggerable doesn't mean un-knockdown-able

[plucky flax]

Can't knock with trauma nor stagger with smite.

I've only seen ogryn charge/taunt and vet shout stagger green bois.

[long wharf]

are you sure? I've never tried trauma against nurgle-blessed enemies

[plucky flax]

Yeah I have. It's not great.

[long wharf]

hmm

what about surge staff?

[plucky flax]

Nope also.

[long wharf]

welp, better kill them quickly, then

[idle bay]

And even almighty barrel have no effect?

[olive ember]

comon man queue me up

and carry me

Teach me the power of surge staff kekw

[plucky flax]

I can't remember barrell.

YON BARREL

[plucky flax]

Watch my latest vid. Ez 700k+ in sub 30 mins.

Very cool staff.

[olive ember]

nah I need a first hand account of being carried

[plucky flax]

I'm playing alan wake anyway screw this game.

Give me new contents already.

New weapons, new class, new maps.

New mechanics.

[idle bay]

It auto-targets specials and elites inside horde.... Sometimes

[plucky flax]

Live service game with 1 content update every 3 months

[olive ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyC1NzSmFIg

[long wharf]

I love Old Gods of Asgard

[plucky flax]

I'm playing alan wake remastered then I'll play alan wake 2.

[long wharf]

or as they're otherwise known, Poets of the Fall

Control was a lot of fun

[plucky flax]

Yeah I liked control too.

SCP stuff man.

[long wharf]

and had, in my opinion, the best finale section of any game in 2019

[plucky flax]

I am not too familiar with SCP/foundation type of universe but it was so intriguing.

[long wharf]

it, as the kids say today, "slapped"

[plucky flax]

All the cutscenes were so cool.

[long wharf]

Poets of the Fall do the music for all of their games

or at least, they did the music for the Alan Wake games and Control

[plucky flax]

And they grey government bureau architecture.

[long wharf]

eh, that song isn't one of their best

Herald of Darkness

Take Control is peak "song about a game retelling the game story"

[clear wagon]

are u gonna take control breh?

[long wharf]

I've listened to that song so many times, I could sing it (though off-key) right now word for word

[plucky flax]

Nice 2010 graphics.

Games advance so much.

[clear wagon]

are u high breh?

[vestal fulcrum]

Is that AW1?

[plucky flax]

Yeah man I am playing it!

Then I will move on to 2.

But my pc is not good enough for alan wake 2 max settings.

[vestal fulcrum]

The graphics could have been worse

[long wharf]

Control had a DLC that included Alan Wake stuff

[plucky flax]

I am playing the remastered version of alan wake 1.

Just some smol upscaled textures I guess.

[vestal fulcrum]

There was a remaster?

Darn.

In any case

good game

[plucky flax]

https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/alan-wake-remastered

Only on epic.

[vestal fulcrum]

[long wharf]

ew, epic store

[vestal fulcrum]

I ain't touching that

[plucky flax]

They have exclusive rights to the remastered and alan wake 2.

[vestal fulcrum]

Well that's too bad

[plucky flax]

I'm not about to touch proper 2010 poopy graphics.

[vestal fulcrum]

But I can live without having played AW2

[olive ember]

imagine not having played minecraft

[long wharf]

yeah, any game worth playing will be available outside of the epic store before too long

[olive ember]

graphics don't mean anything

its all about that epic gameplay

[long wharf]

this is patently untrue

there are plenty of games that have art 'styles' that you hate that you won't play

the reason people place so much emphasis on visuals is because it's the sense by which we directly perceive aesthetics

graphics objectively matter

if you prefer sprite-based art, that's fine

that's not saying "graphics don't matter", but that "sprite art aesthetics appeal more to me"

[lethal lagoon]

Sure, but if you've been a gamer for 10-20+ years, you'll know the power of "nostgila goggles" and all the games that objectively look like shit now we thought were "so real".

[glossy ember]

i don't play games if they have graphics i don't like

[long wharf]

of course

[lethal lagoon]

so graphics are affected by mood and other factors and therefore don't matter that much.

[long wharf]

quite the opposite, you just made the case for graphics mattering

[lethal lagoon]

That we literally can't remember what games actually looked like?

[long wharf]

that how realistic graphics appear to us can be relative to the technology at the time, but that we remember it the way we do is testament to the impact it had on us at the time

I know for a fact that the original Tomb Raiders graphics were amazing at the time it released

and that compared today is below even an indie project's budget of $0

[lethal lagoon]

When compared to animated films? They certainly wern't.

[long wharf]

animated films are a different medium from games

[lethal lagoon]

If graphics function on "relative" then they matter even less.

[long wharf]

wrong again

man, how old are you?

[lethal lagoon]

My first video game was Jill of the Jungle on Dos and neopets

[long wharf]

this is very much a generational dividing opinion, graphics not mattering

graphics have always mattered

and always will

I remember being amazed at the graphics on an Atari 2600

[lethal lagoon]

Art style has always mattered, graphics haven't.

[long wharf]

and art style can't be expressed independently from graphics capabilities

[lethal lagoon]

There's a clear difference between games that are still playable today, and the ones that focus on graphics usually aren't.

[long wharf]

sure, but that's not because of "graphics", but because of budgeted team effort

the forgettable games are the ones that don't engage players

that doesn't change that graphics are what help bring players into the world the game is trying to portray

[lethal lagoon]

Eh... you are starting to move the goalpost.

So agree to disagree I suppose

[long wharf]

nope, I'm expanding my argument while supporting my initial point

but that's fine, you can't keep up 🙂

[lethal lagoon]

You aren't really saying anything, just wide sweeping statements with little meaning and that are interchangeable with literally any facet of gaming

[long wharf]

I've literally grown up watching game hardware and art change through console infancy through the golden age into modern times

vision being the primary sense by which we perceive aesthetics is not a "wide sweeping statement" by any measure

nobody was looking at Atari 2600 games saying "oh man this looks so realistic!"

it was "this looks amazing compared to what I've seen previously!"

[tight moss]

Battlebit frequently breaks higher player count on Steam than Battlefield

Graphics matter yeah, but not as much as building a good game.

[long wharf]

sometimes for the game to be good, it has to sufficiently visually present its world

who would play WoW if everything was just giant cubes?

[tight moss]

Same people who play Roblox probably

[long wharf]

not "cubism art style" where things are made up of smaller cubes

singular, giant cubes

[lethal lagoon]

WoW is literally the perfect example where art style keeps a game with okay graphics alive.

[long wharf]

when WoW released, the graphics weren't considered "okay"

[tight moss]

WoW is an example of charging 15$ a month to play a store simulator

[long wharf]

they were considered quite good

[lethal lagoon]

I never played classic, so I have no idea how true that is, started burning crusade

[clear wagon]

do u like that?

do u enjoy it

[lethal lagoon]

My parents were fine with me spending $100s on other games, but 15$ a month for WoW was always a scam 😢

[clear wagon]

playing 24/7

[tight moss]

I dont play WoW anymore, so nah

[clear wagon]

i think you're lying to me

dirien

[long wharf]

I'm not a fan of subscription gaming

[lethal lagoon]

Same thing with consoles in general

[tight moss]

Quit at the end of Legion, never went back, bro

Never will

[lethal lagoon]

ps2 crushed with the DvD move

[clear wagon]

my friend

[long wharf]

it's a hard sell to pay to play a game every month, and when you stop paying, you lose access to everything you had done in-game

[clear wagon]

the nerd shall be victorious

[tight moss]

You want a good mmo just play gw2, no monthly fee, small initial purchase price

Rock and stone brother

Good combat too

[lethal lagoon]

I prefer subscription MMOs because I feel like it has an effect on the playerbase

🤷‍♂️

Not that I really played that many MMOs after WoW

[tight moss]

FFXIV is a sub mmo I can recommend

Community is A+ grade

Classes aren't bound to a character

So you can play literally every class in the game on a whim

[lethal lagoon]

I actually disliked that part

[long wharf]

I played Neverwinter on the PS4 for about a year